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Post #2680 (isolation #400) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 10:20 am
Postby The DEO »
In post 2675, The DEO wrote:For the record I townread Nero but what can I do about it? I posted in the PT and Titus agreed and now she's doing moon logic with what she agreed made Nero Town as a "good point" as scum logic. I have 0 idea how to proceed except state Nero town read and try to lynch Yuri and hope I get NK'd which if scum aren't idiots won't happen.
~~Math
You grab me on Skype and do what I need you to do to try and get on the same page. Me asking questions won't stop this lynch.
~Titus
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Because I would rather watch Stephen Colbert on YouTube and do something fun rather than ISO a townread and try to think about how Titus is pushing Nero for things she agreed were townNero.
~~Math
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Because while I am an obstinate stick in the mud I am listening to A&N and trying to figure out their concerns. Just like they are doing with me. Especially since they are not screaming I am confbiased or an idiot or toxic. They actually give a damn.
~~Math
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In post 2657, The DEO wrote:You and I both know most "a lot of scum say this" is garbage, and so does ABR. Town say things too like that. It doesn't warrant that strong of a reversal
If you disagreed with his reasoning fine but to sit there and say that he gave no reason is a flat out lie and I'm not sure why a towntitus would ever do that.
It's not a reason. We can play semantics as to what defines a reason, but we both know what ABR posted is garbage. Why are you deflecting from that?
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Post #2703 (isolation #408) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 11:20 am
Postby The DEO »
In post 2701, Nero Cain wrote:If it was such garbage how come you weren't campaigning to lynch him?
Because my hydra partner is screaming they are town and I'm not a total asshole. But since they don't appear to be cooperative and the lynch is in, fuck it.
So, why are you still deflecting? Do you think ABR's play is acceptable?
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In what way is ABR's play acceptable? Help me out here. I see the glaring inconsistency and zero attempt to solve the game and that's not ABR as either alignment.
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I can maybe agree with this. I am most likely biased since I think A+N is scum and thus I like his vote. I mean he hasn't done anything 'cause he hasn't been here. Is he posting it up elsewhere while ignoring this game? If so then sure ok he can die. Is he tactically lurking to avoid the game? Well how would you know?
that's not ABR as either alignment.
So why are you so certain he's scum?
I don't know. I'm aware of the gamestate and I'm aware of play that doesn't make sense, regardless of ABR's alignment and I see a vote that works for scum and I want to investigate further. As far as I know, this is the only game ABR is in, so I can't even use the meta you described. His profile has last visited "-" which means he presumably acts on invisible mode. I don't know, but I do know what I fear is my townreads eating themselves alive while obviously scummy plays or lack of plays happen.
We've got Caesar who basically has done nothing but point at people and yell FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT! That bullshit of we want to change our name so we are not going to post is utter garbage as well.
Ooba is going to get replaced over the night phase.
ABR not being ABR even though I gave him a free pass to use the one word he disdains if he told me what his reads were is avoiding the thread entirely. And the glaring about-face/inconsistency doesn't sit well with me (I view it as an inconsistency but we'll agree to disagree).
We got Maxous just being Maxous and just leaving when the pressure's off.
PV being the token oppositional person but kissing ass to town.
Spiffeh tunnelling.
Like just what the fork man? How the hell to sort that? I get an idea that scum's in there but man help a woman out here.
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Post #2716 (isolation #411) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:17 pm
Postby The DEO »
@Drixx, I will need you here. Jsyk.
@Spiffeh, I guess and check theories as how I think. My apologies if you are town, but I will filter through possibilities regardless of the flip. I rarely do that, but I respect you as much as a player to do that.
Can you comment on the list I posted?
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Post #2722 (isolation #412) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:39 pm
Postby The DEO »
In post 2719, Spiffeh wrote:There's probably at least 2 scum within the lurkers
That is {ABR, Leonshade, Caesar Wills It, ooba, ssbm_Kyouko}
Aeroaut not posting in Caesar Wills It is a huge red flag and they need to be taken care of very soon if he continues not participating.
Still think Maxous could be scum, I don't really see a reason why people are town reading that slot. beeboy too obviously. I already know what biting quips I will say tomorrow in the event that Yuri flips town but all things considered I do believe he has a decent chance of flipping scum.
Hey, I am going to try something new ish to have you reach me. I think you know where I am at. Do you care to try guided questions to steer me toward where you are?
@Drixx, Take your time. For now, we just pray the priority rng is with us. You're my person. I need you at your best, not at your rushed. If you feel deadline pressure, an incomplete dump is ok.
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How is not giving the reasoning for my reads protecting ABR?
I don't even know half of your reads. You know ABR likes to control. You know ABR has an ego. Where is he? Waiting for us to implode right?
Yet, you are allowing him the excuse of doing jackshit and not giving reads by refusing to give reads and tell me where the fuck I am right or wrong when availing myself and giving you every excuse to give reads on every slot.
~Titus
Tbh considering the pace of this game I wouldn't blame someone for seeing the thread blowing up and be like
Ooba I get, but most of those players can handle this.
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In post 2036, The DEO wrote:Daytalk I always feel is the best PR bar none. In Shadowrun where JaeReed is not so subtly referring scout and I used daytalk extensively to our advantage. Even though I never got a break from posting it let me remain consistent and strategize with scout. A couple of times I even told scout when to pivot and he proofed stuff I did.
Daytalk is useful if utilized by the scumteam.
But overall, it is so useless that it is now standard to include it in games, where it used to not be standard in games.
Do you agree that in this gamestate depending on who rolled scum daytalk has potential to be used to devastating effect?
So who are your "red"s?
~~Math
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Post #2753 (isolation #421) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:32 pm
Postby The DEO »
Oh yay! A not standard board and I go first You know how to make me so happy
Column D please and spoiler future boards while we talk. (Assuming column A is the left most column)
What are your reads assuming Yuri scum and then a second set assuming Yuri town?
~~Math
Pedit Nahdia wins apparently Nevermind XD
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Nebby, I can only do one person at once. No multiple professors. That doesn't work IMO.
@Spiffeh, When I scumread players, I'm looking for agendas/motivations that do NOT coincide with the town wincondition. Behaviors that do not match a town wincondition suggest an agenda that does not match a town wincon or an unwillingness to help town. Identifying town and looking at what's left over is my better town games, provided I do not succumb to pride and foolish errors.
So the list I posted is the list of people who I think fit that agenda. I'd compromise on Soham and Notice. Soham because Gerry is much more anti town than MariaR and I'll always have a small paranoia spot after PyP and I think MariaR would say the feeling is mutual. I liked MariaR's responses to my questioning before.
The series of behaviors that I have laid out, minus Math and Nero, I feel are the most damaging to the town with the current flips as they are. I don't really know how you catch scum, but at some point it's just time to test whether we're right.
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Post #2755 (isolation #423) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:45 pm
Postby The DEO »
a list of items to be discussed at a formal meeting.
"the question of nuclear weapons had been removed from the agenda"
synonyms: list of items, schedule, program, timetable, itinerary, lineup, list, plan, to-do list; trademarkdaytimer
"the next topic on the agenda"
Lynching scum is a definition of being town.
Planning to take away town power.
Planning mislynches
Destroying town by doing X,Y,Z those are agendas.
Agendas require specific items to do in a list.
If you said lynching scum by doing A,B,C and A,B,C were specific then yes that would be an agenda. Town doesn't do that. They find scum they make their passionate heartfelt case or some a Snarky case of bringing the pain on scums and win or lose by their words. Mechanics get close to giving town agendas but unless the game is 100% broken which Nahdia wouldn't do town don't have agendas. The thing Mafia has so many Town beards where Mafia made a plan called Humans Reference and Town stuck to it.
I am all for mechanics when it is clear who a towb n is or someone can be scumfirmed. Taking away abilities that allow some of the best game solvers in the game to do things like Titus PV and Drixx is remarkably antitown. Find the scums that voted none that didn't want Titus to solve this game. Going too much in the weeds too early gives glossy looks but you don't deny a Town Jailkeeper because it might accidentally hit town. That is just not a thing.
~~Math
Pedit and Sondham and Notice are town. I will put the vote back on Yuri if you vote anyone else at this point as we need a lynch to end the day from hell.
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Post #2762 (isolation #424) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:01 pm
Postby The DEO »
Those aren't a to do list and aren't in a specific order. That is not an agenda.
An agenda is "I think none is the best for Town so anyone disagreeing must be scum". That is how the first 11 pages went down. Scum rammed none down our throats. You were either complicit or scum.
Barring a conf!scum status (like lying about powers or being a liar) picking something to push before day started is an agenda. Coming into this game with a plan in mind is an agenda. I lynch people with agendas who exclude people. I am a tunnelly asshole but I am an inclusionary tunnelly asshole. Excluding and lynching unpopular opinions barring confirmation results in lynching Town more often than not: See the "How Not to Town" guide that is on the wiki. Making a decision someone isn't townie enough to be in a town block cuts off all sorts of avenues you could have had. I may be insane I may be unpopular but almost always there was a grain of truth.
Take PyP my reads were shit. But I was right scum were manipulating the town block into mass claim when it was unneeded.
Pushing agendas and Town creating "unlynchables" only works if you are right. And on D1 I won't bet the farm on someone else being right. I am an opinionated asshole but Townblocks only work if you either have mechanics to back it up or are masons
~~Math
Pedit: Halle freaking luyah
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Excluding people who are in their own world is not an agenda, it is just a simply way to make the game healthier not only for me but for everyone else involved. Pushing agendas and declaring people off limits for a day or until the game is over on D1 can work if you give people space and room to operate. I was given that with Yuri because no one bothered to step in and we're now one step closer to lynching scum because of it.
That is the exact problem I am talking about.
Mafia is not a popularity contest.
The game isn't healthy by forcing group think putting down others and squelching opinions that you think are "not of this world". I think Notice is town. Am I stopping you or putting you down for making a case? No.
What makes a game healthy is when we respect each other as people and then let each person have their vote.
Consistently you have doubted people's ability to game solve, thrown shade, rammed your ideas down people's throats without listening to feedback. By the time I was online it was a clusterfuck of people outright lying that none is better. That isn't listening and doing the protown thing. It is getting shit done in a hurry because of being scared and passing it off as consensus.
Healthy games don't exclude they don't berate they just are.
I miss those days.
~~Math
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Post #2775 (isolation #428) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:27 pm
Postby The DEO »
Yes please I would like that meta.
The meta I have from LUV is that he lurks hard as Town. I would love a meta where he doesn't.
12 hours is not enough time to hear from everyone and we none voted in less than that.
Anyone who thinks they listened to every person's opinion or asked for it is deluding themselves.
~~Math
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92 is a shade post and partially why I scumread LUV. It is a negative post that shades the entire game, suggests we won't lynch scum and that if he doesn't get what he wants right now the world ends. It is less than 100 posts into the game. Way too early for doomsday scenarios.
~~Math
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I don't lurk, I always replace out if I'm not interested in a game and I find lurking as scum cheap.
Never said it didn't have a valid reason. I am just shocked you're active. I will read the new meta and see if it changes my mind overnight.
Nero no. I don't shut up. I hunt through talking with people.
Titus already did a post ban once because I didn't give her what she wants.
If her town block was right it could take pressure no problem. Don't lament a townblock dying figure out the concerns about it and why they are/aren't valid and analyze the responses. In PyP it was right. It withstood the pressure this one isn't. Shadowrun'S stood up. This one didn't. I hate town blocks but if they are bad and I am allowed to pressure they fall apart.
~~Math
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Post #2803 (isolation #434) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:32 pm
Postby The DEO »
Hey Elbrin,
Notice is on my compromise lynch but Math doesn't want them roped. I'm open to my interpretation of Notice being wrong. If it moves the game forward, I'd do it. If I'm wrong on Yuri, I'm there like a heartbeat. Vecna's town.
Nero I get but people who are skilled that have bass ackwards reads and don't care to pressure lurkers wind up in my willing to lynch pile.
Basically if my townreads I'd be sure wouldn't fall against each other due to word vomit paranoia, I'd be thrilled. Yet Vecna doesn't TR Drixx for starters. A and N is targeted by scum.
~Titus
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Post #2813 (isolation #437) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 7:53 pm
Postby The DEO »
ABR is salty Town over Shadowrun. Leave him alone. If I remember right he said if I was ever townread I would be a policy for him.
ABR do you have a question for me or just want to tunnel?
~~Math
No we aren't.
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Post #2817 (isolation #439) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:07 pm
Postby The DEO »
It isn't because I have five other scumreads. ABR is genuinely Town for following through on his policy lynch threat and not posting anything remotely useful. He did the same in Shadowrun. Annoying doesn't mean scum. It is shitty play. Doesn't mean scum. From a newb or anyone besides Nero or ABR it would.
~~Math
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Post #2819 (isolation #440) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:12 pm
Postby The DEO »
That's a prebuilt justification for him to act in a proscum manner. You're giving him carte blanche to ignore the fact we are universally townread and do jack shit. That doesn't work. You don't help town. You die. If you cannot handle if someone is town, you shouldn't be in a game with them.
This sets aside that ABR shouldn't even be in this game because he agreed to not join any games I was in. *shrug*
If ABR cannot be protown, he dies. He can try to tell it as baggage/drama/aliens hijacking his brain. It doesn't matter. Do not EVER make excuses for a scumread publicly.
~Titus
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Post #2822 (isolation #441) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:16 pm
Postby The DEO »
I am not. ABR can be protown. I just realize he is different than me.
He finds things he believes, says quirky one liners about it, then pushes it until he either sees A) they are Town or B) lynches and gets a flip.
He did the exact same with D&D.
ABR can and will be protown and as much as he scumreads us then it is still protown so others understand we are Town. I have no problems with him hunting is.
~~Math
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Post #2826 (isolation #443) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:19 pm
Postby The DEO »
In post 2822, The DEO wrote:I am not. ABR can be protown. I just realize he is different than me.
He finds things he believes, says quirky one liners about it, then pushes it until he either sees A) they are Town or B) lynches and gets a flip.
He did the exact same with D&D.
ABR can and will be protown and as much as he scumreads us then it is still protown so others understand we are Town. I have no problems with him hunting is.
~~Math
Here you are, creating a fucking narrative for him rather than actually talking to your hydra partner and letting him post.
This doesn't help anyone see ABR as town, particularly coming from you since you're confbiased to hell. ABR has to do this himself.
You defending everyone who you don't want lynched isn't persuading anyone. It's just lengthening the game and stopping town from reaching our own conclusion.
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In post 2822, The DEO wrote:I am not. ABR can be protown. I just realize he is different than me.
He finds things he believes, says quirky one liners about it, then pushes it until he either sees A) they are Town or B) lynches and gets a flip.
He did the exact same with D&D.
ABR can and will be protown and as much as he scumreads us then it is still protown so others understand we are Town. I have no problems with him hunting is.
~~Math
Here you are, creating a fucking narrative for him rather than actually talking to your hydra partner and letting him post.
This doesn't help anyone see ABR as town, particularly coming from you since you're confbiased to hell. ABR has to do this himself.
You defending everyone who you don't want lynched isn't persuading anyone. It's just lengthening the game and stopping town from reaching our own conclusion.
I have talked with you about my reads on Skype. I have spent hours making a post your way and quite frankly it is exhausting. I have tried to do those things and because I didn't agree with your town block you post banned me. I will not let you lynch someone I had town read. Your solution to hunt ABR is me not posting. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if ABR voted us because you don't want me to mess up your precious plan like in Thing Mafia.
Plans suck. You can ask questions but know I townread Notice Beeboy Nero and ABR. And Leonshade. And I will defend my townreads.
~~Math
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In post 2822, The DEO wrote:I am not. ABR can be protown. I just realize he is different than me.
He finds things he believes, says quirky one liners about it, then pushes it until he either sees A) they are Town or B) lynches and gets a flip.
He did the exact same with D&D.
ABR can and will be protown and as much as he scumreads us then it is still protown so others understand we are Town. I have no problems with him hunting is.
~~Math
Here you are, creating a fucking narrative for him rather than actually talking to your hydra partner and letting him post.
This doesn't help anyone see ABR as town, particularly coming from you since you're confbiased to hell. ABR has to do this himself.
You defending everyone who you don't want lynched isn't persuading anyone. It's just lengthening the game and stopping town from reaching our own conclusion.
I have talked with you about my reads on Skype. I have spent hours making a post your way and quite frankly it is exhausting. I have tried to do those things and because I didn't agree with your town block you post banned me. I will not let you lynch someone I had town read. Your solution to hunt ABR is me not posting. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if ABR voted us because you don't want me to mess up your precious plan like in Thing Mafia.
Plans suck. You can ask questions but know I townread Notice Beeboy Nero and ABR. And Leonshade. And I will defend my townreads.
~~Math
This is why we need to die. Math is going to defend everyone who isn't Vecna/Frogger/Uzi/Spiffeh/Yuri. This prevents scum from being held accountable.
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Post #2837 (isolation #448) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:40 pm
Postby The DEO »
In post 2834, davesaz wrote:Long-time civ player checking in. Interesting mechanics to say the least.
If you don't mind I'd prefer to be able to at least skim a few pages before lynching. And decide if I want to bid...
I was literally getting ready to walk away from the computer and go to bed when my email pinged with the PM from Nahdia.
Pedit: Hydra dissonance?
Ridiculously bad.
There are a chunk of obvtown slots in the game. Math thinks they're all a scumteam and is blocking discussion of anyone else and everyone dislikes them here but I cannot get them force replaced, to reconsider, or leave the hydra and they're blocking me sorting anyone to see if they are right.
Our only mutual scumread is wagoned right now for what's evidenced in 1387
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Post #2838 (isolation #449) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:44 pm
Postby The DEO »
See. This is why it is hard to work with you.
Multiple people see Spiffeh+Yuri.
It isn't just "Math is only saying those 5 people and that is it." I have a theory and I am pushing it.
Pretty sure I am not disliked as a person and multiple people scumread Vecna as well.
You can complain and make sweeping generalizations like you did when I suggested MoI scum but that doesn't make it true and only makes it harder to work with you so I have to post here to make sure my reads are heard.
~~Math
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Post #2839 (isolation #450) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:46 pm
Postby The DEO »
I have made multiple if I am wrong theories about who scum could be. The Math is toxic or begging me to quit is downright crap. I joined this hydra to learn and have fun. The only thing I have learned is if I don't do what you want you insult me.
~~Math
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Post #2847 (isolation #452) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:59 pm
Postby The DEO »
In post 2843, Leonshade wrote:I wonder if DEO's hydra dissonance is just scum theater. Titus and Math having a lot of disagreements is believable, but making it so public could be a deliberate move to make the thread unreadable.
I would be skeptic of anyone else townreading me thus far, but I can see it with Math. I looked their reasoning up in their ISO (three pages, jfc) and Math has actually picked up on one of the key differences between my scum and town games, I'm much more cautious as scum.
lol because I am hunting and trying to solve the game
Another person who sees I am not crazy. Hoorah.
Do you have a question to sort me?
~~Math
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Post #2848 (isolation #453) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 9:01 pm
Postby The DEO »
In post 2842, Yuri wrote:how is anyone gonna see it, this game is 100 pages long. you should link it to someone if you're linking that one already. and if it's horrible then link it as evidence smh
Best people read your response in context and don't take my word for it that it is a horrible post.
~~Math
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Post #2852 (isolation #455) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 9:15 pm
Postby The DEO »
The short sleepy version is because time zones.
When the game is at his speed JaeReed is okay.
He exhibited (in a small way) freakout over how fast the game was.
In this one none was chosen before he could even speak. Having no agency in a game is demoralizing.
Furthermore he is hydraing with Mastina. Mastina doesn't fake slips and would never ask him to.
JaeReed is honest to a fault. That is who he is. I feel bad for when JaeReed does drawn scum in a game I am Town and has to lie to me.
~~Math
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Post #2867 (isolation #459) » Fri Feb 10, 2017 9:36 pm
Postby The DEO »
In post 2866, Yuri wrote:mmk. well i have nullreads on a lot of the game due to me being better at reading people while chatting w them in real time, and the lil batch of lurks, so is there someone(s) specific i can focus on?
Give me one person you are unable to sort who you have interacted with and why.
And if you don't have any give me a list of everyone you have interacted with followed by a dash and the alignment you "read" them as no reasons required.
~~Math
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