First instinct says this is scum Pine, will have to read to be sure.In post 442, Pine-A-Tonics wrote:This game is boring. How dare you people make Star Wars boring!
Not really liking LUV, and I completely do not buy Drunken Piper's post restriction. It looks a LOT like something fabricated to excuse minimal content.
Drunken Piper, please discuss your restriction, or confirm that you're just dicking around.
VOTE: Drunken Piper
Pine
Star Wars Rogue One [GAME OVER]
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Leader vote: Infinity.
This works for now. Also,
...This? Probably not town.In post 456, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Any posts of mine in particular giving you that gut feeling?-
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(Would definitely also leader-vote Drunken Piper. Probably would do the same for Heartless, but I need to make sure this isn't their scumgame.)-
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Hi there! I kinda think you're town. I'm also thinking Heartless is town. Infinity and Drunken Piper are also town.In post 511, Desperado wrote:Hello mastina!
I'm not really sold on anyone being scum right now (though I think the LUV slot and the Pine/Gin hydra might be), but then again I'm just reading from late page 18 onward right now, so I haven't read the game. If you want to influence me, now's the best time! Just tell me what's happened and what you think of what's happened, and we'll see how that works out.-
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Town.]
Town?
Scum?In post 13, KuroiXHF wrote:I just saw this movie this morning. I should have a slight idea what's going on.-
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Scum.In post 30, SirCakez wrote:Dead off the bat, not a good start for a large theme...
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Fuckit.In post 153, Pine-A-Tonics wrote:Boring game is boring. Star Wars should not be boring. Moar Titus votes.
VOTE: Pine.
When I get a chance to lynch a scum Pine.
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Yeah this is "soft distancing: the game".In post 279, SirCakez wrote:LUV is pinging me-
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While your vote wasn't horrible.
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Town.In post 358, Indigo wrote:I am sorry, i am here, i have read up to page 11 but wanted to post to say that i am almost caught up but it appears that i have 3 hours left to pick up my prod. I am here.-
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If I had no experience with Klingoncelt, then I would probably be okay with this.In post 396, Desperado wrote:Yo, Cakez wagon; you sure we can't do Kling? I could quote 389-394 but that would seem redundant since it's on the same page and all.
Having experience with her, the very things you're pointing out to say she's scum make me think she's town.
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I use the force.In post 517, Pine-A-Tonics wrote:How do you look at blank votes and pick what is town and what isn't town?
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Infinity
Drunken Piper
alban
Aeronaut
AJ the Epic
Indigo
Heartless
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Titus
Klingoncelt
LUV
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Molla
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It was a real answer!In post 532, Pine-A-Tonics wrote:Actually no, that answer means absolutely nothing. I'm still content with my question until I get a real answer.
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First rule of mastina: do as I say, not as I do.In post 530, Pine-A-Tonics wrote:I've read a lot of your articles and wiki links and I expect you to follow your own advice in looking in the motivations behind the post and not at face value.
Second rule of mastina: If it doesn't look like I am doing as I am saying, there's at least a 50% chance you're reading it wrong and I am in fact doing exactly as I say.
Granted, there's the 50% chance that I did in fact not follow my own advice, but this? Not one of those times.
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I'm force-sensitive, I told you already. I used the force.In post 537, Pine-A-Tonics wrote:Okay no, seriously. How did you judge RVS votes as town/scum?-
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I'm always up for some word-vomit if you'd like to, but otherwise I must decline: as the only one in my family whoIn post 541, Heartless wrote:hey mastin im kind of sick and i might puke on youhasn'tgotten sick, I'd rather not inherit it from you.-
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Well SirCakez is scum, so there's that. There maaaaaaaaaaaaaaay be bussing involved in the SirCakez wagon (would have to double-check who the voters there are), but that doesn't change the fact that he's scum. Lynching scum is lynching scum.In post 542, Desperado wrote:@ Mastina I don't buy the Cakez wagon as a righteous town wagon at all and I have no clue how you've arrived at that interpretation.
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Given that, one, there is a wagon on SirCakez, and two, SirCakez is not my current vote?In post 544, Heartless wrote:could you do me a solid and go over cakez?
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Because they're town, yo.In post 549, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Why do you have Aero and Indigo so high?-
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Yes I am! You, however, are your usual scumfuck self!In post 562, Pine-A-Tonics wrote:At least she's Town this game.-
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Because it's Pine.In post 592, Titus wrote:Huh? Why not vote the bigger wagon?-
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I don't think it has any relevance. I don't see it as being tied to circumstances (the only thing which changed is that I joined the game, but LUV has no reason in particular to have me motivate them), and I don't see it as alignment-indicative one way or another, so I don't think it's important in any fashion.In post 598, Infinity 324 wrote:mastin, what do you think about LUV replacing out then staying in?-
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Indeed.
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Yes it was; no, that doesn't mean Klingoncelt is scum. Ironically enough, quite the opposite.In post 609, Infinity 324 wrote:Ooh, that's a bad vote klingon.-
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Have you considered the possibility that maybe, just maybe, Pine in a different game with a different playerlist especially when he is in a hydra might have chosen a different playstyle? Especially post-mastina replace-in.In post 610, Infinity 324 wrote:I don't like pine's reaction to the mastin vote. But scum!pine was more cold and analytical when I played with him-
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I mean I quoted their posts where I declared them town, so.In post 617, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Help me see what you're seeing.In post 582, mastina wrote:
Because they're town, yo.In post 549, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Why do you have Aero and Indigo so high?-
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Let me simplify: iso them.In post 621, Heartless wrote: ok how about pine
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No, the implication is that Pine's scum, hoping to get on my good side.In post 629, Heartless wrote:unless the implication is that she can only fake a correct read on you immediately. is that it?-
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It'sIn post 638, Infinity 324 wrote:Not all scum can do that convincingly though.Pine.-
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You must see something I don't.
I see a lack of original thought, mostly just sheepishly following the more experienced head in a timid way, uncharacteristic of a player like Gin. Some empty questions which don't accomplish much are basically the highlight of the post, but...empty questions being empty, they did nothing.-
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What's there to not get? I don't care about the wagon composition on SirCakez (though looking at Desperado's list of the names, there's really none that are incredibly objectionable--the worst is LUV and even that's possibly from town), because SirCakez is scum. It doesn't matter if his whole team were bussing him. It doesn't change the fact that he's scum.In post 653, Drunken Piper wrote:
????In post 577, mastina wrote:
Well SirCakez is scum, so there's that. There maaaaaaaaaaaaaaay be bussing involved in the SirCakez wagon (would have to double-check who the voters there are), but that doesn't change the fact that he's scum. Lynching scum is lynching scum. Which, speaking of, is why I am voting Pine.In post 542, Desperado wrote:@ Mastina I don't buy the Cakez wagon as a righteous town wagon at all and I have no clue how you've arrived at that interpretation.
Pine is also scum. I prefer to vote Pine, in spite of SirCakez being scum, because lynching scum is lynching scum. The who or the why isn't as important as the act itself. Obviously I'll vote SirCakez if I can't lynch Pine. That goes without saying. But Pine is the scum I would prefer to lynch, because my scumread there is not only stronger, it is also on a firmer basis (I know Pine better), with better reasons, and also on someone who WILL slip away if you let him go.
SirCakez? I can lynch him any day. Literally, any day. As long as I'm alive. And even if I'm not alive, he could probably get lynched because there's enough support for his wagon that even postmortem my words would be advocating for his death.
Pine? Nah, if he escapes, short of a cop guilty on him, he'll wiggle out of whatever we try to throw at him especially after I'm the N1 nightkill.
So while I'll vote SirCakez if necessary, as far as I'm concerned, right now...it isn't necessary.-
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Let me word it to you this way:
I go where I feel I am needed.
I am needed on Pine.
I am not needed on SirCakez.
If it turns out that I can't lynch Pine, and it turns out that I am needed on SirCakez, I will switch to him.
But otherwise, I'd prefer to go on Pine, if for nothing else to make the statement that, yes. Pine is scum.
It's not that hard a concept to grasp.-
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You already have.In post 671, The Thinker wrote:This is a rare gift! I shan't squander it =D
Mod: my Rogue Leader vote should be on Infinity.-
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Because crying is reserved for the losing side.In post 682, The Thinker wrote:Mastina, why do you want to make me cry?-
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Apparently I am by virtue of Thinker most definitely surely actually truly being town. Clearly.In post 693, SirCakez wrote:Thinker who is scum?-
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For what it's worth, Molla's strong resistance to Infinity for rogue leader is having the opposite of his desired effect.In post 711, BBmolla wrote:guess it's just me. proceed as you were.-
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(Basically this, with an added dose of: Molla as town should already know this and thus never have made the point in the first place.)In post 716, Heartless wrote:because, if not, your argument of "i don't like this entire pool of people" is probably going to get repeated over and over and over ad nauseum because when you have a sample size large enough there's a good chance you'll hit a point where you won't like a person or two in the mix
^this is why ongoing wagon analysis is mostly for the fucking birds btw^-
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Okay, this is a flat-out scumclaim, and I'll show you why with three quotes in conjunction with this one:In post 725, BBmolla wrote:
I'm fine with SC lynch but AJ is more obviously scumIn post 723, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Why aren't you sheeping Nero on SC if you're claiming you two are reading the game the same way?In post 707, BBmolla wrote:Scum-AJ is on heartless tho :/In post 710, BBmolla wrote:
this list of players hardly inspires my confidence. 2 of the players on this list aren't voting for scum. Out of 3 players not voting total. seems a bit odd dontcha thinkIn post 676, Firebringer wrote:Infinity 324 (6): Desperado, Drunken Piper, Lil Uzi Vert, The Thinker, Heartless, Mastina
Do I even need to say "spot the problem" here? Because, uh...yeah. This is pretty self-evident.In post 726, Firebringer wrote:Aj The Epic [2] SirCakez, BBmolla-
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You've got the right conclusion, but the premise is backwards:In post 774, Nero Cain wrote:So, as scum, I think that calling a player town is kinda buddying or pocketing to use the new jargon. I think alot of players are stupidly OMGUSY so when a scum player calls another player town then its less of a chance they get voted and I think, atleast subliminally, when a player knows they are town and are being called town they kinda go "Oh hey X is reading me correctly so they must be town too!" This is my first time playing with Mastina but I've played several times with her on the Mastin2 account and I know that she has entered the game in a similar style in the past. Was she scum that game? Town? She likely does this regardless of alignment although she's fairly scummy here.
It's true enough that as town, I'll copy my scumgame's better elements to improve my comparatively-weaker towngame. So I understand the theory behind the idea of, "She does this as scum, and thinks it is good, and applies it as town".
...However, in this particular case, it's the other way around--there is actually a very, very, very, VERY strong, clear, obvious town motive behind my actions here and in every game I use this style. So much so, that me not doing it is basically a scumclaim. So in this particular case, my scumgame needed to incorporate these elements, because if I failed to do so, then people would have an actually-valid meta tell on me. Since I'm a pretty damn self-aware scum player, I wasn't going to let that happen, and so, once I realized it was a thing I did as town, I started doing it as scum. Meaning, ultimately, yes, you're right; I do in fact do this regardless of my alignment.-
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In case it hasn't been expressed explicitly enough already: bad idea to aim for anything other than town.In post 784, Infinity 324 wrote:Sometimes neighborizer sure used for that, it's easier to pressure them and sort them I guess.
While I recognize the theoretical gain of information, realistically:
-If you invite scum in and they share the information they receive with their scumteam, their scumbuddies are if even remotely competent going to fake ignorance.
-If you invite all town in, then the scum will be ignorant, but so too will all of the town not invited.
-As a result of this, the only way you get useful info is if a scum player not invited shows information they shouldn't have, at which point it becomes clear that scum were invited. Otherwise, there's no discernible difference between the two.
As for why not use the neighborhood to hash out reads: one, neighborhoods are insanely easy for scum to manipulate.
Two, we want to deny the scum any information gained in said neighborhood. Now, given the premise above, we won't actually KNOW if we successfully denied them said info, but we want to at least TRY to deny them that info for as long as humanly possible.
Three, and most critically of all, by the post, it's possible that being in the unit offers potential powers to the neighborhood. There is NO situation in which handing a power to a scum member would be better than handing it to a town member. (Well, unless you're talking something like a suicide gun that allows a player to willingly kill themselves, e.g. treestump. But that's about it.)
For that reason and that reason ALONE you should aim for an all-town neighborhood.-
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In theory, sure.In post 788, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I think she's one of the best players on MS.
In practice, fuck no. I'm probably in the top-10%, sure, but not the top-10. (Unless as scum. Then, maybe.) I'd elaborate more about this if I didn't suddenly and inexplicably have a kitten on one of my arms hindering my typing ability.-
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And here's the thing that's really scary:In post 797, Drunken Piper wrote:Thinker, I see posts, but mostly fluff.
figuring out who you think is scum is a bit rough.
Aristophanes is the slot producing more content.
Aristophanesis the head of the hydra who is doing more.
Aristophanes.
The lurksack.
Whose content consists of fluff and active lurking.
Is the more active of their heads.
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Oh. Right. I sometimes forget that people always have to have a first game with mastina at some point in their career.In post 837, Infinity 324 wrote:It always gets me paranoid when people talk about how good their scum game is...
So, hi, Infinity! I'm mastina. I'll just drop a nifty flowchart for ya on how to read me. It's a little bit dated in some parts, but it's more accurate than not even to this very day!
It's a pleasure to meet ya. You'll get to know me better as the game progresses, especially since this playerlist is ripe full of people who know me reasonably well. Not quite to the extents of the AP and zMuffinmans listed above, but enough where they can generally give you a good idea of what is, and isn't, normal from me.mastin2 wrote:mastin2 wrote:Bulbasaur Commonwealth wrote:Here, for your reading pleasure, might as well quote this.In post 24, mastin2 wrote:
Actually...I have.In post 3, SleepyKrew wrote:I think everyone should make one of these. Especially mastin.
I've been meaning to post it, too. It's about a year out of date, though, but I started compiling a way around Mafia with the Quickness 2 called, "How to read Mastin: the flowchart".
Some of them are out of date thanks to contextual meta shifts, but most of them still apply.Spoiler: Stuff about itBulbasaur Commonwealth wrote:(Note of course that the flowchart is never 100% accurate. It's impossible, literally impossible, to display all of them in a single game since many of them are in fact slightly contradictory, but the point is to see as many as possible and if the majority matches town or scum. This chart has been in play for quite a while, now, and to this date, in spite of no active attempts to uphold it and some attempts as scum to subvert it, remains highly relevant to my play. It goes to prove my point, though: scuMastin always has this laser-like focus. Anything Goes in particular, until I faked having my confidence shattered, I was pushing for a specific lynch. In games like Resistance where I was the last living scum in lylo, I wove a narrative specific to one player being scum because I held focus. In my entire scumgame career, holding focus has done nothing but serve me well. Losing focus has done nothing but screw me over. Because guess what? People like focus. They like confidence. They love to see assurance in a read. They want to have a figure be charismatic and to follow. It's an inherent part of people's nature. That's why tunneling is so prevalent, because it works DAMN good and well to get a lynch. People hate doubt. When someone is calling everyone town/scum in rapid circles, AKA circlejerking, people think it's scum trying to mislynch anyone. They see desperation and attribute it to being scum. They don't see a town player desperately trying to figure out the game. They see a scum player that is trying to find options. So damn fucking straight. Maybe someday I'll flail as scum. It could in theory be this game. But in practice? Fuck no. As scum I'd push a lynch through; as town, here I am without a clue.)
^That's how. ('Course, the flowchart was developed for single-ball games. I actually have no clue myself how well it does or doesn't hold up in multiball.)Bulbasaur Commonwealth wrote:(I really need to also add a section in there about explicitly blowing up.
I don't think I've ever thrown f-bombs around as scum freely, aside from some trolling in L4D when I literally claimed scum in-thread once I realized Molla had a guilty on me.
As town, you'll note, I go absolutely ballistic, and for damn fucking good reason. Lynching me has never done a town favors, ESPECIALLY not in the lategame.)
Not included: "Is she doing anything?"mastin2 wrote:(I just realized that an item not on the flowchart but which should be is how I explain my reads:
"Does she explain her reads in crystal clarity?
No-->Almost certainly town, though you can proceed as a precaution just in case.
...Maybe?-->Probably town, but proceed anyway.
Yes-->Proceed.")
Yes-->Well, go read what she's doing, dummy!
No-->She's probably fighting a flake.
Doesn't tell you alignment, but is useful to have on there anyway.
Now Icouldgo telling you whether this is normal for me, but I'd prefer that not only you, but all of them, form their own conclusions on that field. Beyond me telling you of course being self-meta, there's some actually pragmatic reasons why I prefer others to do this rather than just handing them the answer. If you're looking for extra credit, you can try and figure out what said reasons are!-
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Oh, you sucking was never in question; it was a given.In post 842, The Thinker wrote:Maybe we both just suck. Did you ever think of that?
The thing up for debate is whether it's town suck or scumfuck, and I'm casting my vote for the latter.-
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I'm pretty sure my ability to correctly read you has gone up with time.In post 868, BBmolla wrote:mastin always misreads me though, so that doesn't apply to her. she actually probably "townreads" me more as scum than as town.
Same with Pine, really.-
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Yes, exactly my point.In post 873, SirCakez wrote:
Thinker's posting continues to underwhelm. That meta defense was awful.In post 826, mastina wrote:
Apparently I am by virtue of Thinker most definitely surely actually truly being town. Clearly.In post 693, SirCakez wrote:Thinker who is scum?
I'm not sure how more obvious my sarcasm could've been in that post, and the fact that you're pretending to have not known it was sarcasm is one of the reasons you're scum.-
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Oh! Speaking of, I made this a couple days ago:In post 875, Heartless wrote:
because i'm...In post 844, The Thinker wrote:Heartless, why are you being so meanSpoiler:
You can use/modify it however you like if you think it's a notable enough image.Spoiler: WARNING: Ginormous image-
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Aside from Pine-and-Gin, my current vote?In post 895, Desperado wrote:@ Cakez wagon: who else will you guys lynch? It's stagnating and I don't see anyone trying to push it forward.
I'd vote The Thinker.
I've laid out my reasons for why Molla is scum.
I'm pretty sure that's our scumteam: SirCakez, Pine, The Thinker, and Molla, so I'd prefer not to vote outside of there.
MASSIVELY prefer not to vote outside of there.
Like, you could maybe talk me into spite-voting a more nullish read like LUV, but I'd vote there fully expecting a town flip rather than a scum one.
If you want to lynch scum, lynch Pine.
Else, lynch Cakez.
Else, Molla.
Else, TheThinker.-
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Hi Nacho! Let me summarize for ya: it doesn't matter whether you replaced alban or Gamma; you replaced town, I know you replaced town, so what I need to do is get you up to speed.In post 920, Nachomamma8 wrote:I don't know who I replaced
I'm town.
Heartless is town.
Desperado is town.
Other power players of note, let's see...Aeronaut and Titus are both town. Nero's a bit iffy, but I lean towards town. Pine, Molla, and SirCakez are all scum. The other notable thing you should know is that AJ the Epic is the counterwagon to a scum-SirCakez, yet AJ is town, too.
Also, we've got a special mechanic in this game to vote for a rogue leader, a neighborhood mechanic of sorts, and the person you should know about there is that Infinity is also town.
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For TWIE, I can just point you to 925; what I say there is just as relevant to you, too.-
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Like, this was our last-given VC and I think the votecount here kinda speaks for itself. The SirCakez wagon? Basically while there's the ever so slightest chance of Nero being scum bussing (I don't think so), or LUV being scum bussing (still don't think so), it's town.In post 918, Firebringer wrote:Pine-A-Tonics [2] mastina, Klingoncelt
SirCakez [4] alban, Nero Cain, Lil Uzi Vert, Aj The Epic
mastina [2] Drunken Piper, The Thinker
Lil Uzi Vert [1] Pine-A-Tonics
Aj The Epic [4] SirCakez, BBmolla, Titus, Desperado
The Thinker [2] Infinity 324, Heartlesss
Not Voting - [2] Gamma Emerald, Aeronaut
Rogue Leader Vote:
Desperado (1) Infinity 324,
BBMolla (1): Titus
Infinity 324 (5): Desperado, Drunken Piper, Lil Uzi Vert, Heartless, Mastina
Nero Cain (2): BBmolla, Pine-A-Tonics
Heartless (3): Nero Cain, AJ The Epic, The Thinker, Klingoncelt
Contrast the AJ the Epic wagon, which has SirCakez and Molla voting it back-to-back. Similarly, the Rogue Leader vote has Molla and Pine back-to-back on Nero. A fair sign Nero's probably not scum (I don't think scum would advocate strongly for a scumbuddy to be the Rogue Leader), but also a fair sign that they want to avoid giving it to Infinity, who is pretty damn solidly an all-town wagon.-
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I'm quite aware that in the Heartless hydra, the quality of Antihero's scumgame improves exponentially. You might recall I almost got seriously burned by it before. (I ended up with a draw as a serial killer, but that's because the scum let me have the draw; it easily could have been a flat-out scum win.)In post 940, Nachomamma8 wrote:mastina is this a "there's no way Antihero could fake this play as scum" kind of read or is it something else?
While it'd be a lie to say all of the people I named as town are in a 100%-town-never-lynch category, they're in the category more or less of, "town enough to be a part of my first townbloc", if that makes sense. In the particular case of Heartless: it's in their posts. The first thing of theirs I read was the readslist in 441. I looked at it and I went "oh, that's town".
And that was it, really. Like. Nothing else, that post alone. "Oh, that's town". First thought, immediately when I read that list. Instantly, it was town. Ironically enough, it's their (weaker) posting after that which is why they'renotexactly 100%-never-ever-EVER-lynch, because in those posts I got twinges of paranoia, but I'm willing to bet on it being exactly that. I'm not sure how to better explain it than that.-
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ITT Nero Cain claims Darth Vader and by extent, scum.
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Infinity
Drunken Piper
Nacho
Aeronaut
AJ the Epic
TWIE
Heartless
Desperado
Titus
Klingoncelt
Nero
LUV
The Thinker
Molla
SirCakez
Pine
Thereabouts. Molla, SirCakez, and TheThinker are all pretty equal; LUV and Nero keep trading places; the lines in the town list are a bit arbitrary and I could place dividers between Drunken Piper-Nacho, Nacho-Aeronaut, Aeronaut-AJ, Heartless-Desperado, Desperado-Titus, and Titus-Klingoncelt; I cold remove the divider between Heartless and TWIE; I could keep the dividers exactly as they are and switch around almost any of the names in most sections; it's a really, really loose approximation.-
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No. I quite explicitly APPROVE of the SirCakez wagon.In post 952, Nero Cain wrote:Aren't you doing the same thing?
The reason I'm voting Pine is because it's Pine.
BBMolla, on the other hand, to be explicit as possible:
"I think SirCakez is scum, but I think AJ is also scum". Yes, this part is the same as my "I think SirCakez is scum, but I also think Pine is scum". But what makes it different?In post 725, BBmolla wrote:
I'm fine with SC lynchIn post 723, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Why aren't you sheeping Nero on SC if you're claiming you two are reading the game the same way?but AJ is more obviously scum
"I refuse to vote with my scumread".In post 707, BBmolla wrote:Scum-AJ is on heartless tho :/
"The names backing this wagon suck, so I won't back it".In post 710, BBmolla wrote:
this list of players hardly inspires my confidence. 2 of the players on this list aren't voting for scum. Out of 3 players not voting total. seems a bit odd dontcha thinkIn post 676, Firebringer wrote:Infinity 324 (6): Desperado, Drunken Piper, Lil Uzi Vert, The Thinker, Heartless, Mastina...Yet he's backing the AJ wagon which SirCakez is on.
It's a hypocritical contradiction.
He says SC is scum, and AJ is scum.
He says he refuses to vote with scum.
Yet he is voting someone...who is being backed by someone he considers scum.-
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Very little!In post 962, Titus wrote:What does Pine have to do with your ability to read BBMolla?
I was saying that I am better at reading Pine than I used to be; I am better at reading BBMolla than I used to be. The two are unrelated, but can be talked about together because it's the same subject at hand: my ability to read a player, and how it has improved.