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Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
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At any rate I'm a bit less available this afternoon, will catch up more tonight or likelier tomorow.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
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Haven't really caught up yet, plan to do so tonight. Dreal, can you point to a couple of specific posts or sections of this and last game that in your opinion line up especially well on this point?Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
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Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
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Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
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borings kind of a null on her own but RachMarie was scummy and it seems like we keep getting counter-wagons on that slot popping up
VOTE: boring
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Well I guess this means that boring actually wasn't lying about being lovedShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
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1) Can you provide a link to a game where you've done similar?In post 1696, JaeReed wrote:smith, why is your only question to me one that isn't likely to give you an AI answer? Considering I've been a pusher of both counterwagons to boring I'd imagine you'd have better questions for me than that.
As far as your question... No, I look at who was lynched and what they flipped, then I read, usually, while trying to keep up with current postings. I don't generally pay attention to replacements until I hit that point in my read. What were you hoping to learn from that?
2) Why don't you guess how that question might have been helpful?Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
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any recollection what that something else was?In post 1704, Gamma Emerald wrote:@mhsmith (responding to your d1 wall post): I don't think I was TRing Kuroi for the derp, it was something elseShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
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Currently JR, Zef and Lycan appear to be on vanity wagons going nowhere, with under 24 hours to go until deadline. Either push harder on the wagon you're on, or make it clear why you don't think boring is scum, or hammer. No lynch is unacceptable.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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@Gamma: probably doesn't really matter, but please prove that you're an even day non-voter by trying (and presumably failing) to hammer boring
@JR, Zef, Lycan: one of you needs to hammer boring before deadline (it's now pretty clearly too late to actually push the wagon on someone else). If you fail to do so (barring a VERY good defense on boring being town), you three are on the "policy vig" list tonight.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
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You did say you were waiting. Then I caught up, and voted boring (making her L-1 given loved status), and then you didn't actually hammer (and you realized I had caught up given that you were asking me about the catchup). Which made me suspect you were intentionally stalling, thus the push (and it should be noted that it was on all three non-voters, not you specifically)In post 1717, JaeReed wrote:
If you actually read the thread you would have seen I was waiting to hammer after I saw your catch up.In post 1715, mhsmith0 wrote:@JR, Zef, Lycan: one of you needs to hammer boring before deadline (it's now pretty clearly too late to actually push the wagon on someone else). If you fail to do so (barring a VERY good defense on boring being town), you three are on the "policy vig" list tonight.
Threats make me disinclined to do so out of spite.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
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That's fine as things go, but I tend to get nervous when it nears deadline and things are stalling. 17 hours to go means not a super crazy rush, but at the same time, I really don't want to wake up tomorrow to discover that we no lynched because no one bothered to hammer.In post 1722, JaeReed wrote:
Considering we're likely going into the night phase I want things to be as wrapped up as possible before hammering. That means people having a chance to engage with your catch-up.In post 1720, mhsmith0 wrote:You did say you were waiting. Then I caught up, and voted boring (making her L-1 given loved status), and then you didn't actually hammer (and you realized I had caught up given that you were asking me about the catchup). Which made me suspect you were intentionally stalling, thus the push (and it should be noted that it was on all three non-voters, not you specifically)Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
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Actually I was curious whether you were trying to fake derp clear yourself. Because while lack of thread awareness is usually something villagery, in that context (your analysis of the d1 lynch) it seemed unusual as either alignment for you to somehow not know who had occupied the slot. So it was something more suspicious than clearing at first glance, and I was trying to see if there was meta to evaluate if it was actually just null on your end.In post 1721, JaeReed wrote:
1) Not that I remember. I still don't think it's important regardless.In post 1703, mhsmith0 wrote:
1) Can you provide a link to a game where you've done similar?In post 1696, JaeReed wrote:smith, why is your only question to me one that isn't likely to give you an AI answer? Considering I've been a pusher of both counterwagons to boring I'd imagine you'd have better questions for me than that.
As far as your question... No, I look at who was lynched and what they flipped, then I read, usually, while trying to keep up with current postings. I don't generally pay attention to replacements until I hit that point in my read. What were you hoping to learn from that?
2) Why don't you guess how that question might have been helpful?
2) My only guess is you're trying to see if I'm dumbtelling or derp cleared myself. You can do better. Read me off my actual content like I know you can.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
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well, if she's scum I don't think that it really matters. if she's not scum, then if you're around tomorrow you'll need to back up that meta read you made with something to demonstrate that it was substantive.In post 1727, drealmerz7 wrote:I still WANT to do it, I just, don't want to do it
if that makes sense?Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
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Meh I'm going back and forth w her. Like, in rio boring (yellow on MU) was pretty emotional and omgusy about being under fire, here she's just been blah. Maybe it's because she inherited a bad slot (and therefore wasn't on her), but it's not similar to what I'd seen before. But I think the main issue was with rachmarie, and I don't think there's really a particularly good way to defend a slot other than actively finding a better lynch, which she really didn't do. So I'd ballpark it around 50-50, which at this point in the game is I think fine odds.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
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Probably need to reread Lycan. When he was a wolf he wasn't super difficult to spot, maybe he improved, but at the least I want to do actual work comparing that and some of his town games.
That game was
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=67875
Btw in case I eat a bullet tonight.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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My meta case from that game (like right after I subbed in too )
In post 437, mhsmith0 wrote:By the way, I know how much you enjoy meta, but this is what I've seen from Lycan so far:
Open 651 - Town
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
makes posts like
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plus try-hard posts like
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p8228292
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p8242675
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p8277500
etc
Newbie 1718 - Town
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
makes posts like
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p8086941
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p8110308
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p8110322
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p8117906
etc.
plus try-hard posts like
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p8090282
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p8097503
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p8097520
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8129604
etc.
Newbie 1717 - Town
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
more of the same
Overall town meta: emotional, high energy, asks pointed questions, occasionally shows high amounts of effort in sorting people.
This game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p8307240 until I subbed in, he had asked not a single question so far. not one, all game, until his response to me in 428, and even that is a self-focused question. Low emotion (states that he's pissed off, but doesn't show it in his posts), is low energy with a general lack of game-solving. His ISO here is boring when his town game is pretty consistently anything but.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
Quick: There is little to no chance this slot is Power-Wolfing.
SR: I want to give him a day
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Presumably that's the delayed death bit. He gets to stay alive and keep posting for a day phase, likea 1-day tree stump.In post 1793, Creature wrote:
Huh what?In post 1790, RadiantCowbells wrote:If Tito is killed at night, the country will stay together for the following day phase before collapsing.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
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btw, does anyone know anything about why boring's flip was redacted? I'd guess it was either her role or a scum day power but wasn't sure if there's some other explanation that I'm missingShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
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probably we'll find out soon enough one way or the otherShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
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must be or might be? The latter possibility occurred to me; did anyone actually go beyond "well maybe" and actually hit strong likelihood?In post 1802, Creature wrote:Btw, who else was speculating that I must be a scum-aligned Sun? There must have scum around there.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
BATMAN: Only jugg was the only one we didn’t scum read at least not me
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you mean like this?In post 1806, Gamma Emerald wrote:Also I have been "shipped together", whatever that means.
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+1In post 1893, Postie wrote:I read it more as stupid than lazy.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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And to the extent that it is lazy, I don't see how it's lazy in a non-villagery way. I could easily see a villager writing him off as probably town and only worry about tinfoiling there sometime later on if needed.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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Ps in the absence of my doing a substantive reread, which I'll get to but not immdediately (likely sometime this weekend) I kinda want to see where zef vs dreal goesShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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I'm also curious about this. What do you mean by TitusIn post 1868, ɀefiend wrote:
1. OmgusIn post 1866, The DEO wrote:VOTE: zefiend
Avoiding RachMarie wagon, and accusing me of strongarming when someone said we needed a decision made. Yeah, don't think so.
Drealmerz hesitation and push on Lycan after I told him the choice is why I pressured him. Scum Drealmerz likely doesn't call out zefiend there.
2. Blatant misrepresentation about the RM slot lynch
3. I'm not talking about the RM slot lynch
4. I'm talking about SS and Lycanfire (whether it was Math or you IDC, it's the same slot)
This is how I know you're scum -- trying to talk over everyone else. When I get to a computer I can put a proper case together.
and why exactly do you think it's wolfy? Do you mean she just has an opinion and is pushing it? Something else that I can't really follow?trying to talk over everyone elseShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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Please provide a couple examples of Titus doing this as scum in previous games.In post 1919, ɀefiend wrote:
What?In post 1915, Gamma Emerald wrote:So just the use os PL as a reason?
I felt it was a strong case, and SS's rage kinda felt like scum caught for the wrong reason.
DEO's reason was that SS's reason was a PL. It was not. It was clarified as a joke, interpreted as a joke by multiple people; the self-meta was questioned -- and still DEO carried on for over 20 pages.
A TvT situation would have been like:
"PL lynch Titus! She's always scum!"
"Are you seriously suggesting that?"
"No, it was a joke!"
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What if I told you that I had extensive experience with Titus and that she tends to be aggressive, tunnelly, and unafraid to strongarm lynches (even bad ones) as town, while as scum she tends to be more subdued and reasonable-sounding?In post 1932, ɀefiend wrote:I'm not building a scum-meta case on Titus, I'm trying to show how things appear in the context of THIS game. Also see above posts; I have experience with Titus as both alignments.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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Yes, she kept pushing that point, but the question is, did she do it insincerely?In post 1970, ɀefiend wrote:So between game-time 27 and 601, the crux of Titus' case revolves around the PL comment.
Like, for comparison, just skim this set of posts from day 1 in rio (wgeurts ["Mysterious Lad"] was scum, while I, Secondhand, soah, etc were all town)
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It's a bit hypocritical I guess, but why is it scum-indicative of Gamma to turn his face away from shadow's offered meta defense while on a different time and place using his own meta understanding to defend DEO?In post 1971, ɀefiend wrote:Do you see how that's a bit hypocritical?
Like, Gamma didn't seem to be saying that he somehow didn't care about meta in general, rather it seemed like he was explicitly rejecting shadow's meta defense, with stated reasoning of there being evidence of interactions that seemed damning (though why he picked shadow over vedith if it was "one of you two is scum" is possibly an interesting question I might want to dig into).
So other than it being vaguely bad-looking to reject a type of reasoning in one case and accept it in a different case, why does it actually suggest he's being strategic or materially hypocritical?Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
Conq: you, sir, are great at being town.
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Kuroi, do you want to talk about this?In post 1828, KuroiXHF wrote:
OK, so at least I know you know something.In post 1822, JaeReed wrote:
I'm not answering this.In post 1818, KuroiXHF wrote:Hey, Jae. Glad you're here.
Anything you want to tell us about last night?
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The latter but I don't really expect everyone to realize it. I'll be more involved when I get some more time I guess.In post 2108, JaeReed wrote:mhsmith0 has been largely unimpressive in a really bad way. I'm not sure if it's alignment indicative or just indicative that he's not invested in the game.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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What in partuclar makes you feel good about gamma and vax?In post 2127, The DEO wrote:I feel really good about Gamma, Postie, Vax, and Creature ftr.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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I'll try and spend some time productively digging into zef/gamma/vax and figure out where my vote should go. Sorry for being relatively useless the past few days.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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In post 2165, ɀefiend wrote:
This is literally the textbook definition of posturing.In post 2158, mhsmith0 wrote:
The latter but I don't really expect everyone to realize it. I'll be more involved when I get some more time I guess.In post 2108, JaeReed wrote:mhsmith0 has been largely unimpressive in a really bad way. I'm not sure if it's alignment indicative or just indicative that he's not invested in the game.
VOTE: mhsmith
*grabs popcorn*In post 2166, ɀefiend wrote:
What the fuck, meant to quote this post.In post 2160, mhsmith0 wrote:I'll try and spend some time productively digging into zef/gamma/vax and figure out where my vote should go. Sorry for being relatively useless the past few days.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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Unless he's softing a guilty in which case he should just do it.In post 2170, Postie wrote:The answer to this question should be no. We should not be talking about this.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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Not to my knowledge. I'm not really sure why he'd redirect there though, given that he seemed an unlikely scum kill, and a one shot like that is probably best saved for later.In post 2156, The DEO wrote:On Day 2, RachMarie Boring passed into Valinor.
On Night 2, LycanFire was killed. He was Tito, representing the nation of Yugoslavia, Town Delayed Death 1-Shot Informing Redirector.
Did anyone claim redirected?
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He was clearly softing *something* in a sufficiently obvious manner that there's no way scum missed it.In post 2172, Postie wrote:If he were softing a guilty you'd think he'd be trying to get Jae lynched. You can stop fishing for info now.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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@deo: yeah that's fine. I'm just skeptical he actually did use his redirect in that situation.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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Not redirected
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dreal, you played with creeps in Aero's game, how does that compare for you?Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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also you were with him in Ircher's game, where he made 3 posts, bailed, and then got endgamed
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
it seems this isn't especially AI behavior for him? i believe his only scum game on MS was http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
where he was, for a lack of a better word, obvious. So I kinda feel like he'd be obvscum here too. Maybe he has day chat, maybe he's gotten coached really well, but it just seems like occam's razor here would suggest that if he's scum, he probably screwed up somewhere pretty explicitly.
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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p8412445 was fake as hell
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p8412626 was bad
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p8416175 was bad
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8420474 was an awkward OMGUS while trying to call out OMGUS
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yeah, i've been lazy and basically backburnered the game. I do that from time to time but IIRC hadn't especially done it in games we've been together.In post 2792, Postie wrote:smith, your posting isn't what I remember from town!you. Talk to me?
Trying to catch up tonight, we'll see where that goes.
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wrt creeps, also compare early readslists
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p8415868
as scum
note the attempt at paranoia on misa, while basically everything else was zero substance
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p8594283
not much content, but the ss thing reads as pretty plausibly honest (no fake pings there), I don't think the lycan one read off either, and overall nothing in particular seems unreasonable
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basically I have no reason to believe creeps is anything other than really bad and really obvious as scum, so if you want a push there then you need something that suggests that he really screwed up, or that somehow I'm drastically underrating his scum gameIn post 2800, drealmerz7 wrote:DUDEsmith
I am not clicking any of those - if you have something to say, say it, please
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did he have reason to feel that way? I mean he's not being wagoned rn. Actually...In post 2803, drealmerz7 wrote:perhaps the fact that he barely said shit and when he did it was fishy as fuck and ppl scumread him and so he stfu and maybe replaced out because he felt like an obvious scumfuck?
@mod: why is creeps not on the current VC http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p8722703 and the other day 3 VC's?
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oh duh. looked at the OP saw he was still on the alive list.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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Spoiler: VC Data
I've been playing around with some VCA thoughts, but frankly between the inactivity in large spurts from some slots, the multiple people who have weird vote restrictions (postie, gamma, and the d1 zef), and the lack of surety on boring slot (though the arwen claim and valinor result, when it seems like the role flavors don't much overlap at all, suggests scum [I also suspect she had a different LOTR flavor given that technicaly arwen never went to valinor in LOTR mythology, though that might just be nitpicky on my end]), I don't know that any of it is actually much useful.
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my nolynch list is
DEO/Postie/Jaereed/
Creature/FA/
dreal/Klingon
don't really have solid scumreads at this point, which is kinda annoying but *shrugs*
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No, I'm a JOAT. Says so right under my username.In post 2840, Postie wrote:
Are you scum? Because you sound like scum.In post 2839, mhsmith0 wrote:rereading but if anyone has questions in the meantime then @ me
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? Talk me through how you're reading FA as being angry/spammy scum!FA instead of town!FA? She's one of my relatively stronger town-reads, and creeps seemed reasonably villagery (though not particularly good) while alive; what am I missing?
Like here you said
but I'm not especially sure why one of them is scum ("FA is arguing" seems to not be especially alignment indicative, and I've seen plenty of town-town fights she's been involved in, if that was in fact the reasoning there)In post 2662, The DEO wrote:So one thing is pretty clear to me one of FA and Drealmerz is probably scum and if FA is then Postie is.
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Explain how? I'd agree that it might not have been a productive post for creating useful discussion, but I don't see how it looks like she was just concerned about being townread.In post 2834, The DEO wrote:
This. It feels like you are more concerned about being townread than discussion.In post 2832, Frozen Angel wrote:I didn't make a case on you. I didn't in any manner insult you in any manner and I really don't want that to happen - sorry if you felt that way but I'm not sure what gave you that impression?
I practically just tried to poke you and you felt - really defensive - about me trying to communicate with you in a REALLY weird way and started telling some really wishy washy things that was obviously dodgy
now take your time and answer the questions I asked again. I will read Strahd tonight when I'm free and will think about the converse we just had then.
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If I didn't have an overall townread on you I'd probably be suspicious; the last time I was asked that was in Rio by Phighter (who was scum). Super easy question for scum to ask to look busy.In post 2851, Postie wrote:
Not that I can remember, but it never hurts to ask.In post 2843, mhsmith0 wrote:PS Out of curiosity, have you EVER gotten a useful answer from "are you scum"?Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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i'd also, ftr, note that I'm entirely capable of churning out fake content that looks surface-level good as scum (if anything, that game was lazier than my usual scum games); my laziness in that game was the sort of thing you had to think about to notice, as opposed to my openly being lazy and inactive. I think that, other than micro 610 (which happened in the middle of a lengthy losing streak where I was basically shutting myself down), you'd be hard-pressed to find a scum gmae where I was as openly blah as I've probably been this game, though you're free to look at see if you can disagreeShowhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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I basically have been, fwiw. some of it was rl, some of it was simply multi-tabling, the latter of which isn't quite as much of a problem as it was not long ago. I've also, for whatever reason, tended to either REALLY get into games or REALLY not get into games. You can probably figure that out if you dig into my recent meta, if you're really curious.In post 2864, JaeReed wrote:In a word, complicated. The lack of emotional depth has me jumpy as fuck but I would not lynch him currently. There's a good possibility with what drealmerz has said that he is just disengaged completely and not trying to avoid anything.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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fwiw the people not in my nulltown to outright town reads currently are vax/gamma/zef/kuroi, still not really sure which of them I want dead (though as long as boring was scum, and the other two are in there, I'm not super worried)
my light town read on klingon is I think mainly based on the sequence starting
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p8725882
some of that is simply the notion that scum probably wouldn't stick their neck out with that kind of read about "country" actually being "hood", although if somehow kuroi flipped scum a "just fake derp clear yourself" conversation in scum chat I guess wouldn't be impossible (also if KC does fake derp as scum that might weaken it, if people who know her have thoughts on that)
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1) I'm actually expressing a TR there and wondering wtf the case on you was, since I couldn't find itIn post 2880, Frozen Angel wrote:bolded parts
why are buddying me and searching for a reason to scumread me?
who are the towns I argues with in this game and how do you know their town?
The last sentence was math agreeing with me about Drealmz obviously. How could you read it vise versa?
2) That was a meta read on you. Specifically I recall in Mini 1782 you getting into it pretty heated with Jake, and in the GoT game I recall you getting into it pretty heated with a few people (myself included). So to the extent that DEO was reading it as "FA is fighting, one side is probscum", I was making the coutner-point "FA gets into town v town fights pretty commonly as town". If there was some different reasoning DEO was using, making the whole thing moot, then it was unclear to me.
3) I misread what DEO was saying, probably because I was ISO'ing them and trying to figure out what the case on you was. That quote in particular seemed absurd as a point against you; that DEO was agreeing with you instead of attacking you probably explains why it didn't make any sense that way.Showhttp://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mhsmith0
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SR: I want to give him a day
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