WWE Mafia - Smackdown! (Game Over - Off Television)

[Peptobislawl]

VOTE: grey
Grey is a third party color

[Peptobislawl]

@Vince McMahon, can general managers be scum?

What era is the game taking place in?

I can answer that last one, its the first brand split era.

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Meh, I was given the ability to check anyone's role PM, but I am too lazy right now. Though, I could check yours if you ask me.

Also, that's 2 super good powers claimed already.
Mod handing you scum and checking someone elses pm in the same game? Tell me I'm being RVA rused

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Random Vote...Damnit what was the last one? Did i mess up the letter?

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Probably because Misterio is injury prone while Undertaker has super resiliency

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In regards to your first point over the other thread, I'm OK with that.

In regards to your question, I won't answer that other than saying it takes six votes to lynch Tywin and eight to lynch Creature.

i mean this, stupid page topper.

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It's

VGCW

WWE superstar Jay Uso.

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gamma you are ignoring me again,, why are you not paying attention to my JUSTIFIED VOTE ON YOUR EXISTENCE?

God, even in text that's hurting my ears, stop

[Peptobislawl]

is your name based on Pepto Bismao?

yes

did you mean to say EYES

no, is joke

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but actually do stop allcapsing

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The rules have player swaps Maria. During night, you can be swapped to the other thread.

If we get all scum here, we win I think.

Spoiler: McMenno

OMGUSing is different than what Gamma did. I see confbiased analysis. Namely, that your behavior is scum, when it is townie.

That still doesn't make sense.
Are you saying we have to manage 2 threads at the same time?
As in if scum get majority on that side we'd lose here aswell?

lol what game did I fucking sign up for

Game's are entirely seprate besides the trade, if all the scum are dead here town wins smackdown and raw plays on.

[Peptobislawl]

Mod Error - I missed this:

*uses fu on Gamma*

*uses STFU on Gamma*

Fuck it. That felt good.

(5:45-5:54)
AND THEN HE LAYS ON THE STFU.

(expired on 2016-12-23 15:45:00) until Gamma Emerald can vote.

(expired on 2016-12-23 15:45:00) until Gamma Emerald taps out to the submission.[/quote]

So that was a real voteblock and Timed vig looking thing.
I don't really like people throwing out vigs on D1 but it's not necessarily scum. I don't really see why people think town McMenno for it over in RAW and i don't see anything AI here either, just risky.

[Peptobislawl]

why people say GAMMA is dying,, what is going on, someone please EXPLAIN FOR KAIN TEPES TIRED BRAIN........

submission finishers are vig shots that only work if noone votes the vig for 2 RL days after he calls out the shot

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also they end the day

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I know self meta is shit but it's my play style to hang back unless i have something to really go after. I'm still reading the thread, though.

Maria and Titus was TvT to my eyes. That said, Titus, someone agreeing with you is NAI. They could just as easily be scum if your reads are wrong, and you can't know 100% that your reads are right until we git some flips.

I already said I don't like the early submissions, but Tywin (I think it was him) said they create discussion. To which i say, yes and no. What they do is force discussion towards the submission's target and the submissions user to the exclusion of anything else, until the breakup. This early in the game, there's not really enough to go on to have someone on the metaphorical chopping block. TLDR i see where you're coming from, but I think it stifles discussion if used this early. Thus the breakups are a small town lean in my eyes, though how easy it is to fake as scum preventing me from giving out any full townreads on anyone for that alone.

[Peptobislawl]

@MOD: V/LA untill boxing day

[Peptobislawl]

@MOD: V/LA untill boxing day

What's boxing day? THIS IS PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING, DAMN IT!

(Give me a date, please.)

the 26th of december

[Peptobislawl]

I don't usually like ending the day so early, but i also don't see anything in gamma's iso worth saving. I won't force my opinions onto the whole town but remember that letting gamma tap out would end the day 8 days early.

If we do kill him and he flips town, iai and creature are gonna be in need of some close watching. If he's scum, I still would watch creature, but not so much iai.

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My primary theory is it rerolls the list of players in Smackdown and RAW.

VOTE: gamma

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To be more through, that power is so obviously ridiculous as to basically be a scumclaim in my eyes. It's just a last ditch effort to save yourself by claiming something powerful/dangerous, but it's so out there as to be totally transparent.

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To be more through, that power is so obviously ridiculous as to basically be a scumclaim in my eyes. It's just a last ditch effort to save yourself by claiming something powerful/dangerous, but it's so out there as to be totally transparent.

Seriously? I KNOW my power is so disruptive it belongs in scum's hands more. WHY THE FUCK WOULD I CLAIM IT? We KNOW Kuroi provides fakeclaims. I would have had SOMETHING better to claim.

"If you try and lynch me, I'll use this stupid ridiculous power that i totally have,so you better not!" -No one who was ever town, ever. You're trying to hold the town hostage with this supposed power while admitting that it would be bad for town to use it. Why would town do that?

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gamma is L-2 right now btw

[Peptobislawl]

VOTE: IAI

I stand by him being scummy now that we know gamma is town. He needeled gamma over littel minor nothings hoping to start a train on him in the early, low info inviroment of D1, leading to him feeling cornered and threatining us with the role he thought he had. There were others, of corse, but iai is the one woh struck me as not actually having real reasons to go after gamma.

Creature I also said i would watch regardless of flip, and after a iso reread he strikes me as a scumlean. Simmilaraly light on reasoning, but he seems more like he's trying to gamesolve. I'll keep watching him, but i'm not fully convinced at the moment.

[Peptobislawl]

I don't usually like ending the day so early, but i also don't see anything in gamma's iso worth saving. I won't force my opinions onto the whole town but remember that letting gamma tap out would end the day 8 days early.

If we do kill him and he flips town, iai and creature are gonna be in need of some close watching. If he's scum, I still would watch creature, but not so much iai.

1) agrees that gamma is scummy

2) yet has his new reads ready when gamma flipped town

Hmmm who does that usually???

Was expecting this. My reads were stated before gamma flipped, thanks. Plus, you're forgetting that Gamma did something incredibly scummy before i voted him. Yes he was town, but I had a valid and stated reason to vote him before i did. You didn't. You attacked him on nothing but nitpicks and misrep, leading up to the convenent mistake that finally got him lynched. Thanks for the OMGYS, by the way, helps make me more confident in my vote.

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Plus, you're forgetting that Gamma did something incredibly scummy before i voted him. Yes he was town, but I had a valid and stated reason to vote him before i did.

Your "valid and stated reason" was that his ability was scummy. That's pretty much the only thing you said about Gamma being scummy all day there, playa. Otherwise he was just "not worth saving."

No. My reason was that his role was so ridiculous as to be obviously fabricated (Partly true, He misinterpreted it rather than deliberately lied), and that he used said role as a threat to town to get out of a lynch, which is severely anti-town. How you reduced that to "His role is scummy" is a mystery for the ages.

as for "not worth saving", he was a mild scumread and i wasn't gonna put up a fight about submission use for the second time that day phase over him.

VOTE: pepto

I'd appreciate hearing more from Pepto before I break the hold.

However, if they don't provide content, I'd been fine with them dying.

Anything in particular?

I don't usually like ending the day so early, but i also don't see anything in gamma's iso worth saving. I won't force my opinions onto the whole town but remember that letting gamma tap out would end the day 8 days early.

If we do kill him and he flips town, iai and creature are gonna be in need of some close watching. If he's scum, I still would watch creature, but not so much iai.

1) agrees that gamma is scummy

2) yet has his new reads ready when gamma flipped town

Hmmm who does that usually???

Was expecting this. My reads were stated before gamma flipped, thanks. Plus, you're forgetting that Gamma did something incredibly scummy before i voted him. Yes he was town, but I had a valid and stated reason to vote him before i did. You didn't. You attacked him on nothing but nitpicks and misrep, leading up to the convenent mistake that finally got him lynched. Thanks for the OMGYS, by the way, helps make me more confident in my vote.

OMGUS is generally a useless tell, does it actually make you more confident in your read?

Yes, considering his "reasoning" is something I had thought of during the night phase as being an obvious scum play, which was downplaying how scummy gamma looked in order to accuse me for leading the final push. He just walked up and said "well you voted gamma too", ignoring the context of when each vote was applied. On top of that was his oter reason of "Town should never consider what would happen if they're wrong about a read, that's scummy", which is crap.

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wow i made a mess of that first quote somehow.

my comments on massive, seprated from his post:

No. My reason was that his role was so ridiculous as to be obviously fabricated (Partly true, He misinterpreted it rather than deliberately lied), and that he used said role as a threat to town to get out of a lynch, which is severely anti-town. How you reduced that to "His role is scummy" is a mystery for the ages.

as for "not worth saving", he was a mild scumread and i wasn't gonna put up a fight about submission use for the second time that day phase over him.

[Peptobislawl]

VOTE: Titus
Let's just end this rn

I claim Mason with Pepto

OK cool. But can we get Grey instead?

submission break.

[Peptobislawl]

VOTE: Titus
Let's just end this rn

I claim Mason with Pepto

Pepto, do you confirm this?

Yeah. We are the tag team called The Hardy Boyz.

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Maria / Pepto

: Did you have access to your mason thread before the start of D1? Holla atcha GM.

this was the quote

Then how are you masons? I was under the impression that flavor is independent of alignment.

Presumably he rolled alignments first, then determined if we were masons or not.

[Peptobislawl]

I'm gonna add one thing to what my partner has said about our tag finisher.

Once the conditions have been met, we need to each post one half of the finishers name, and no one can post in between them or else the move fails, and we can only attempt use it once a day, even if it fails. Ok that was 3 things.

Long story short, turn on your preview post checkers, everyone.

[Peptobislawl]

Everyone shut up so that Maria and Pepto can show off their high-flyin' moves.

One of us tell you guys when the conditions have been met and we can actually do the move, so you can hold your shuting up until then.

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Maria / Pepto

: Y'all never did answer why you didn't talk about the finishers in your mason thread pre-D1.

It was never asked? what?

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Me and her agree with you on VOTE: Tywin

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Maria / Pepto

: Y'all never did answer why you didn't talk about the finishers in your mason thread pre-D1.

It was never asked? what?

Do you mean, you never discussed it because neither of you asked each other about it, or I didn't ask about it?

You, why would you think we didn't? We had some clarifications asked but that might have been just after gamestart.

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wait, do you have access to our thread pre-D1?

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VOTE: Creature

And that means

EVERYBODY SHUT UP

We are going to preform our tag finisher in 3 minutes.

Anyone who inturrupts it will be considered to have scumclaimed

[Peptobislawl]

Hit Creature with the EXTREME

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WHHHOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!


you may speak again

[Peptobislawl]

Maria / Pepto

: Y'all never did answer why you didn't talk about the finishers in your mason thread pre-D1.

It was never asked? what?

Do you mean, you never discussed it because neither of you asked each other about it, or I didn't ask about it?

You, why would you think we didn't? We had some clarifications asked but that might have been just after gamestart.

Because Maria's posts and actions around the first submission move made it seem like not only did she have no clue about the shared mechanic, but that she DEFINITELY had no idea about what would stop it. And AC brought up on Raw that it would make sense for scum to have a better idea on how it worked, since they could discuss amongst themselves, which made me wonder why Maria didn't if she was actually a mason. So if you guys asked about clarifications, what kind of clarifications were those, if they didn't include "how to stop the submission move"?

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Now that that's on I'm so excited I might pee.

we didn't know about subs, we don't have any. can't ask any questions about something we don't know exists.

we clarifyed the mecanics of the EC.

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You cannot sr Pepto without Maria.

Actually, I can. It makes a bit of sense, especially given both of their behaviors.

But if they are both scum, that's endgame for us, unless people just are constantly monitoring the thread. There's no 2-ways about that.

And I'm not just saying "omg it's obviously lylo". I'm saying, no matter what phase it is in the game, if they have an unlimited dayvig, which is, if I'm not mistaken, what they said it was, then we're screwed.

It's very limited. Most relevantly to this conversation, we only get one more shot, but there's also the need for the target to be at halfway to lynch and the sequential post bit.

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Spoiler: mostly for raw but people who thought we had infinite shots should read it too

see #1700, we've always said it's a 2-shot ability. where anyone got infinite shot from is a mystery

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Spoiler: Math

You, re making a fairly major mistake in your assesment of the setup, which is that you assume that your vig and our execution could ever start on the same thread. They can't. As demonstrated in the signup thread, the flavors and thus roles on SD and RAW were decided pregame, the hardy boyz masonry is on SD and randy orton's vig shot is on RAW D1.

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Spoiler: Math

You, re making a fairly major mistake in your assesment of the setup, which is that you assume that your vig and our execution could ever start on the same thread. They can't. As demonstrated in the signup thread, the flavors and thus roles on SD and RAW were decided pregame, the hardy boyz masonry is on SD and randy orton's vig shot is on RAW D1.

Titus can read this too

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@Pepto/Maria: Is your execution active in MyLo/LyLo?

Yes, assuming we're both alive and haven't burnt off both shots by then, we can use it in MyLo or LyLo.

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I'm guessing that 1 is scum and 1 is town. I don't agree with Titus 100%. That would be ridiculous. Her "moon" logic is, 90% of the time, just faulty logic.

However, she is right that one of them is scum. I believe Pepto is more scum than MariaR.

Wait.

1 scum. 1 town. Cooperative dayvig shot.

Fuck off outta here.

It's not unheard of. If you think that all set-ups are going to make sense to your noob little mind, you need to wake up.

Then how do we cooperate to do it? Unless you're suggesting we're only neighbors in which case given it's a 2 player neighborhood you then have to explain how the town neighbor didn't instantly know that the other was scum, and how the scum neighbour didn't know the town neighbour knew he was scum.

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I'm guessing that 1 is scum and 1 is town. I don't agree with Titus 100%. That would be ridiculous. Her "moon" logic is, 90% of the time, just faulty logic.

However, she is right that one of them is scum. I believe Pepto is more scum than MariaR.

Wait.

1 scum. 1 town. Cooperative dayvig shot.

Fuck off outta here.

It's not unheard of. If you think that all set-ups are going to make sense to your noob little mind, you need to wake up.

Then how do we cooperate to do it? Unless you're suggesting we're only neighbors in which case given it's a 2 player neighborhood you then have to explain how the town neighbor didn't instantly know that the other was scum, and how the scum neighbour didn't know the town neighbour knew he was scum.

Because I've also seen neighborhoods that would have been masonries, had they not completely destroyed game balance. Especially in a game as small as this one, 2 conf!town from the start means that scum have their work cut out for them.

Again, it's a 2 player neighborhood if what you assume is true. First issue with that assumption, Why would we call ourselves masons? At least one of us is town and would have no reason to lie. Next, why would we save each other? In a 2 man neighborhood, the assumption would first be that one of us is scum, so why would maria save me assuming I'm scum? Your logic requires us to have figured out that we're both town when the logical assumption is that one is scum.

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Your constant "what if" questioning makes me all the more sure that you are scum.

I'm not even sure how to respond to that. Apparently expanding on the scenarios YOU ASSUME and showing the flawed logic is "anti-town what if speculation".

The assumption is Maria is fake claiming because she's protecting you despite the numerous backout attempts I gave Maria.

But why though? Why would she do that?

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Hit Titus with the Swanton Bomb

You're town but you're tunneling badly. I want DS to have pressure on him so I can determine if he's the same or just scum, and that means you not freeing him.

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I'm guessing that 1 is scum and 1 is town.

@Pep/MariaR: If this is true, this would be an excellent time to come clean.

As long as the Mason claim stands, I believe it because what Diamond is suggesting makes zero sense.

The mason claim stands. We are both town, mod confirmed to each other.

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RAW: SD just quicklynched a scum win. whic means 4 scum here, so probably 1 or 2 over with you guys

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Massive was probably scum importing scum, so Chara is probably Town if true. Math being tunneltown is consistant with his games i watched. I haven't been paying too close attention to RAW otherwise so i don't really have any scum reads.

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It's really impresive that yo looked so town while scumming up the joint that much.