~laundry~ FIN

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Hello.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I got a league game to play so don't post 20 pages when I get back otherwise I'll...

Yo I just finished league game won and hit d4.

My karthus winrate is insane right now.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Hi Tammy!

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm p moist too...

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Tammy I can work extra hard to make my posts super moist.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

In a moist way or un moist way?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

It's okay you can be moist by applying the correct moist agent

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I wonder if anyone else is moist besides me and Tammy.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

i want to get moist

Are you really moist or you're confusing it with just being semi moist?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Sounds good it's getting me moist.

Vote: Pine

Let's test it.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Firebringer do you want me to make you moist or not.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

If so you have to give blood for the blood god.

Vote Pine for glory.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

VOTE: Sir Arther Dayne

I love some good old votes on me please do this more it makes me moist.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also, addendum to partial claim: I have an unusual role, one I am familiar with, but I don't recall ever seeing actually used before. Hated is a modifier to it. So if you see me claiming Doctor or Jailkeeper or even something obscure like Motion Detector that I've played with before, lynch me.

Lynch this with fire.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Creature scummy post.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Arthur I think w-we may have flipped the same side h-how wonderful!

!!!

We get to catch scum together.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Firebringer Maria is competing with you for who gets my super duper ability to make people moist I hope you work harder if you wanna get moist.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

SAD are you a sock?
I just got a feeling you're a sock.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I got a league game to play so don't post 20 pages when I get back otherwise I'll...

idk, something devious, just don't.

My man I finished 2 league games how long does it take you to finish one.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Man oh man this game is hard to get reads from.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

What are N0 peeks?

Like even if it a joke are peeks supposed to just yield town or?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Oh cool beans.

I would've hated nothing more than being IC.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Then creature's post still reads scummy it looks like he pre-planned/pre-wrote it.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Nope,

I think only thing I know about him is he like copy and pastes player list and strikes through people as his readlist or something.

Is this N0 peek supposed to be common for him or?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Nope,

I think only thing I know about him is he like copy and pastes player list and strikes through people as his readlist or something.

Is this N0 peek supposed to be common for him or?

how do you know his common readlist format but not whether his N0 peek thing is common?

Because someone else did it in another game and a second person was like "Are you a Creature alt".

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

VOTE: Ser Arthur Dayne

HOLY

I LOVE VOTES

ON ME

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

There's more to my role also but I'm taking it more as a modding joke than anything else

Oh really?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Please explain.

Edit: @Desperado

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Not but for real say what it is.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

SAD is scum.

I love it.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Aero is town btw.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

My super secret read is Tammy lean scum.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Aero is town btw.

For what?

Moistness.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

His gerry vote + vote on me + reaction to my reaction also all read town.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

SAD is scum.

I love it.

Your approach/tone is what strikes me.

I do love it.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

SAD actually doesn't feel as most as i thought.
he might not be a true towel.

Holy

Moly

this is terrible.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Vote: Firebringer

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Good job guys I'll see you Day 2.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Is dry the scum word they got equal to the town word moist?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Or is moist split between scum and town I can't tell.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I want to know who has the word moist.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Vague comments about his role after pressure from the miller claim.
OKAY THEN

Ya. The other part of my role is irrelevant once I outed that I was a miller, which is why it's more of a joke than anything else

Sigh why do you make life difficult

Can you say your joke part.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I WILL DESTROY YOU AND YOUR FAMILY FILTHY HUMAN

Eep!
S-sorry I don't know what came over m
I-if we can't be friends that's okay

You and Zach can be friends you're both from Hinamizawa

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Miller 1-shot Commuter

How is that a joke part.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Can't 1-shot commuter mean you can dodge the nightkill.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Maria pls control yourself.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also Hinamizawa is town from Higurashi (When they cry) anime where the people in it alternate between sane and crazy

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

How is that a joke part.

Because scum would never shoot a miller and it's optimal to claim as miller?

Play townie, catch scum, become a threat, ?????, become nightkill target.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Idk when he said "joke"

I assumed he meant like word modifier like moist.

I'm prob confused with why he said joke I guess.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Link me to a game where a miller claimed and then later drew a night kill

MY MAN

IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN YOURSELF

NO ONE ELSE WILL

YOU GOTTA BELIEVE

THAT YOU CAN DO ITTTT

YOU CAN BE THE MILLER THAT THREATENS THE SCUM SO MUCH HE DRAWS THE NK

THINK ABOTU THAT

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also Hinamizawa is town from Higurashi (When they cry) anime where the people in it alternate between sane and crazy

I only ever saw Umineko.

You'd def like Higurashi then, season 2 wasn't that great imo (even though ppl rate it higher) because it was pulling the friendship card and stuff and thats boring for me but I really enjoyed season 1 for the psychological/horror aspects.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Man star guardian lux triggers me her q and e look exactly the same when they're being shot out I can't tell which is which :/ Then again elemental lux q is invisible anyway the lux skins feel super pay2win.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Wait but my flavor is helping the person doing the laundry.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Yes, the stairs are an obstacle to getting the laundry done. Thanks for confirming that my flavor is indeed narratively relevant.

Narratively relevant for scum...

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

1-shot commute sounds fake-claim as hell too.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

- Scum cannot perform kill and use power on the same night.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Wait but my flavor is helping the person doing the laundry.

so you're claiming that you're scum but that you are helping with the laundry so my point about des is moot?

What?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Like my role/flavor is a thing that helps the person doing laundry, whereas desp has something that hinders the person doing the laundry.

Those 2 things clearly don't match up.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm guessing the people who have negative modifiers even town have obsticale flavor?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm not gonna claim anything of my role besides the flavor is water fountain.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

calm down I'm losing a league game here

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

No it's free. We might actually win I just keep dying too much.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Lol league and fun in the same sentence.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Yeah Andrius is scum prob.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

He called creature town when creature only had 1 post and now he's "???" okay bud.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

PEdit: He might be, but right now he's the Baker Paladin, and I cleave to my man

"He might be, but right now I have this raging boner that makes me afraid to interact with anyone I know so I will vote a wagon that will not hurt my feelings."

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

People who are afraid to play the actual game because they have too much emotional attachment are the people who annoy me the most.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Holy Tammy's posts feel so so so off.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

happy-go-lucky

Oh honey

If you think this is my playstyle...

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Man this game is hard

I have like 0 strong townreads am I playing conspiracy.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

No I don't make relationship tells before a flip are you on drugs I rank people independently.

Why do I have to explain this to people every game.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Okay here were go

Desperado is town
Pine is town
Frogger is town
Aeronaut is town
Maria is town
Sly is town

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I did yesterday read the game buddy.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Yeah and what if it's multiball or third-party or anything it's stupid to do association tells before flips.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Aero is town btw.

Aero is town btw.

For what?

Moistness.

That's not an explanation, buddy.

Read the post right after that.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

SAD, you don't have a read on me yet?

No I skipped your long post I just read back the part when desperado referenced it.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Do one of you have a fucking modifier that makes you say the word moist I wouldn't be shocked at this point
I'm gonna stomp no your throat and watch as you choke on your own blood watching the life drain from your eyes if you keep using that word
S-so just be careful! *giggle*

Okay this has been bugging me all morning. Why did you refer to it as a modifier?

Tammy is it referenced as a modifier in your role PM?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

omg now SAD is asking about role PM info

he must die

It's not role info

That part of our role PM is outside of our wincon dw buddy boi.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Okay here were go

Desperado is town
Pine is town
Frogger is town
Aeronaut is town
Maria is town
Sly is town

That's a lot of town reads for 14 pages. Especially when 10 of them have been trolling.

Yeah I'm mafia prodigy.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Hmmmmmm

That makes sense it's super weird she referenced it as modifier without knowing people who have it.

Maybe her scum buddy has it and told her it's a modifier?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

if someone has a modifier to their role, that is role info

It is not don't speak about things you don't know.

It's referenced in the role PM it it outside of your regular wincon.

I treat role info as anything that drives someone's wincon.

This doesn't. And it's optional. So dw about it.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm not really pre-empting you as a scumread I said I have you as lean scum because your early posts felt super wishy wash.

But I can get a read on you later anyway it's not like OMG TAMMY IS SCUM LYNCH HER WITH FIRE.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm not really pre-empting you as a scumread I said I have you as lean scum because your early posts felt super wishy wash.

But I can get a read on you later anyway it's not like OMG TAMMY IS SCUM LYNCH HER WITH FIRE.

How is that off for me, especially early game?

Because it looked like it was off that you were avoiding people in the thread and instead chose to focus purely on the moist part knowing it has no bearing to wincon.

Idk it looked contrived instead of your usually friendly rvs part like you didn't wanna interact with people.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

focus purely on the moist part knowing it has no bearing to wincon.

How do we know it doesn't? What did I miss.

Because I have it and it doesn't...

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Because I have it and it doesn't...

Right but why can't scum have it too?

They could but it still doesn't affect their wincon...

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

It's an optional modifier.

Basically whoever incorporates "moist" into their posts the most gets a shoutout or something at endgame outside of wincon.

The fact Tammy was focused purely on that made me feel like she wanted to look like she was doing RVS especially knowing other people had the challenge while avoiding interacting with people.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Guys I'm pretty sure SAD just scumslipped

I got a second pm before game began telling me specifically to not focus on the modifier and to treat it as a joke and not to take it too seriously.

It was addressed to people who have the moist modifier.

Why are you dense.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Anyway I gtg do some work I'll leave you guys with my PRODIGY TIERS LIST

Desperado, Pine, Frogger
Slysly, Aeronaut, gerryoat
Maria, Tammy, Creature, Nosferatu, Zach, dreamz, Nacho, Toogeloo
Andrius
Firebringer

Other people need to contribute I feel like half the playerlist is not playing the game so I wanna hold off on posting to let other people contribute instead of slide under the radar.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

tammy, if it is a modifier and maria called it as such, why does it bug you, wouldn't it just strike you that she has the same modifier?

STOP SAYING THAT WORD

shivers

I think I need to see a psychologist on this word that is now in my nightmares

I'm very scared at this point

Do one of you have a fucking modifier that makes you say the word moist I wouldn't be shocked at this point
I'm gonna stomp no your throat and watch as you choke on your own blood watching the life drain from your eyes if you keep using that word
S-so just be careful! *giggle*

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

It is definitely interesting to see some people claim it as a modifier where others see it as the same thing I do, a mini-game that isn't supposed to be game related, and then there are people who seem to be completely unaware of it's part of the game.

Because it's called a modifier in the role PM...

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm not

really

pre-empting you as a scumread I said I have you as lean scum because your early posts felt super wishy wash.

But I can get a read on you later anyway it's not like OMG TAMMY IS SCUM LYNCH HER WITH FIRE.

I don't think the word really was needed there. Like, I'm not pre-empting you as a scum read so much as I'm doing X...but I am a bit pre-empting you as a scumread.

It would have read find without the really.

This pings me.

Tammy was saying the pre-empting thing about Andy, and SAD chimes in like its about him and uses the word "really" which...really...didn't need to be there.

You are just terrible at this game holy

Also I was looking for SAD's post to reply here because I'm having this feeling that Arthur is pre-empting me on a scum read

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Tammy feels meh
Sad is town
there are my reads

!!!

Maria I'm scared to join games with you from now on you catch me when I'm scum when everyone else is calling me town and you catch me as town when everyone else is calling em scum.

Unless you're trying to pocket we just need to be the same alignment :/

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Right. She had a feeling ARTHUR was pre-empting her. And you thought it was about you. And then you used "really" like, I'm not really pre-empting you as much as I'm doing X...but I am a bit pre-empting you.

Because she calls me Arthur

and I know this fact.

What are you even saying.

I'll take whatever you're on.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Tammy imagine I'm using the bowing emote from westeros.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Hey Arthur when did you decide that desperado was town?

Uhh since like

always.

I just wanted to pressure him to see if it was a fake-claim because the 1-shot commuter looked like it was a good fake-claim from a design stand-point esp with this point emphasized:

- Scum cannot perform kill and use power on the same night.

But I still don't think he would've claimed miller if he was scum idk the rest of his posts don't seem to be angry that people are scumreading him because of what he claimed more like "yeah I got this role and this is the optimal play for this role so this is what I did".

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also Arthur when you're telling me about that turn around, can you tell me why Firebringer is your strongest scum read?

The way he backpedaled out of a townread on me to appeal to andruis and pine at the time.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Oh honey

If you think that is the extent of Tammy's walls

then you're not even in same realm of closeness.

Plus her posts are p enjoyable to read.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

So were mastin's post everyone was just giving her shit but I kinda enjoyed her walls in Defcon :/

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also also why is Arthur a sock?

You don't know?

I went from townread -> backpedal out of townread -> to now scumread without any reason.

Gotta look like he's ~contributing~ and giving ~reads~.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

arthur is a sock because his town feels different from defcon.
he seems more conscious of peoples reads on him and in that game he really didn't give nearly two shits about it.

I mean I got lynched Day 2 and I didn't give a fuck and I could get lynched this game today and I wouldn't give a fuck.

Idk what you see changed but keep on keepin' on.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

But maria knows that my scum game I actually do care and play manipulatively and not nearly in the same manner of stream-of-consciousness.

Plus my post count would prob be like at best a fourth of what it is.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Err, one fourth*

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

You can feel free to vote me if you're not!

I want you to get lynched with vengeance when I flip town.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Firebringer lets make a deal I'm d1 lynch you're d2 lynch.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Dw Tammy I'm down to trade 1 for 1 with scum.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

If he wants to pull shit out of his ass to suck up to ~friendos~ and scumread me to go with the flow and be a follower without a word to stand on then he's either extremely dense or mafia.

Either way with him out town benefits.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm pretty sure you're completely able to be stream of consciousness as scum Arthur. I realize that the dance game was your first scum game in a long time, right? So I get you might be rusty at it, but you are capable of posting a lot as scum and seeming just so carefree about it that people town read you for it.

Nah I stopped doing that as scum it was super hit or miss too much risk.

My scumgame now is super calculated appeals

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

I obv still try to fake stream of consciousness but being scum is extremely boring I have trouble keeping up and engaging correctly so I pick a few people and appeal to them via emotion or logic or whatever they like.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

And woah woah woah I thought you loved scum??? Or was that just when you never drew it and you couldn't wait to draw it? It's not all you thought it would be?

I hated scum ever since I failed WJ

I wouldn't really say hate though. Just extremely boring.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Especially when everyone was joking around and no one giving any alignment tells.

We're not all bad.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Can we L-1 and derphammer SAD. I want to see tammy's reaction to that.

Hmmm

are you actually scum.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Can we L-1 and derphammer SAD. I want to see tammy's reaction to that.

Hmmm

are you actually scum.

Not at all.

Great,

explain your scumread on me.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Can we L-1 and derphammer SAD. I want to see tammy's reaction to that.

Hmmm

are you actually scum.

Not at all.

Great,

explain your scumread on me.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Great,explain your scumread on me.

LOL I've been explaining it all game dude.

Great, where, point specifically:

Spoiler:

WAAAAHHHHHH I HATE MY PM

WAAAHHHHH

VOTE: Aero

Not RVS

I see what you did there

OH MY GOD CAN WE STOP ALL THIS MOIST TALK OR I WILL CRY

This game is amazing

This game sucks and it makes me want to cry already

UUUUUGGGGGHHHH

VOTE: Gerryoat

Don't be dumb slysly join the wagon

These miller votes are all weaksauce.

Vote the obvsock

WHY THE FUCK ARE WE ALL TALKING SO WEEEEEIRD I HATE IT WAAAAHHHHH

EP THIS GAME STINKS SO MUCH I NEED NOSE JAMMER

N0 peeks can't be on socks.

Desperado must be a real miller

Orly?

n0 guilty peek Creature


VOTE: Creature

Fake guilty. Zack's a sock with Gerry.

VOTE: Ser Arthur Dayne

I think tammy is a moist towelette

I think

Desperado votes are the worst votes.

DONT MAKE ME KICK AND SCREAM AND CRY OH OHLY SHIT DESPERADO LIVES IN RALEIGH?

I'm already voting SAD but I'd double vote SAD if I could.

Screw it...let's double vote SAD

VOTE: SAD
VOTE: SAD

WWAAAAAHHHH THIS MOD HATES ME WITH THIS TERRIBLE TIMING FOR A VOTE COUNT

I'M OBVIOUSLY NOT A DOUBLE VOTER WAAAAHHHH STUPID MOD I WANTED TO HAVE FUN WITH THAT FOR A BIT

I'm thinking a SAD vote is justified, but let's have this discussion first.

I'm fine with a mass flavor claim.

I just cannot talk about one part of mine, period. You're going to have to believe me on this or bad things will happen to this towel.

You don't need to baby me. I know you went to bed. I didn't mean to be like SHES NOT HERE SHES SCUM it was a SHES NOT HERE.

What was the "wut" part for after the "She was here for pages 1-2 and is gone."

Holy Tammy's posts feel so so so off.

Holy sock

Yeah Andrius is scum prob.

Holy Tammy's posts feel so so so off.

So do you think Andy is weakly bussing Tammy by saying her posts feel off (a line which you then repeated)?

Aeronaut is town

Explain

Aero is town btw.

Aero is town btw.

For what?

Moistness.

That's not an explanation, buddy.

No I don't make relationship tells before a flip are you on drugs I rank people independently.

Why do I have to explain this to people every game.

drives me nuts too

I keep the assocation possibilities in mind and completely fluid, but they should almost never be a point of discussion

"how can you be voting your top SR who is voting your 2nd SR?" - uh because that's how it makes sense play the game?

I always make a point to ask for later.

That's how I bust people and how I play. Always will. Don't care if you don't like it, it's not gonna change. Just ask Tammy in MAFIACEPTION I used this tactic to figure out Pepto/Molla and Titus and Tammy pulled Ranger out a loop and it was glorious.

Yeah and what if it's multiball or third-party or anything it's stupid to do association tells before flips.

It's never stupid to do association tells before flips. to use it as your only basis for a scum read is, but not to do it in general as part of a larger picture. But socks ALWAYS scold me on this.

Do one of you have a fucking modifier that makes you say the word moist I wouldn't be shocked at this point
I'm gonna stomp no your throat and watch as you choke on your own blood watching the life drain from your eyes if you keep using that word
S-so just be careful! *giggle*

Okay this has been bugging me all morning. Why did you refer to it as a modifier?

I don't see the issue with this...

I think people are reading far too much into this modifier talk.

I'm not

really

pre-empting you as a scumread I said I have you as lean scum because your early posts felt super wishy wash.

But I can get a read on you later anyway it's not like OMG TAMMY IS SCUM LYNCH HER WITH FIRE.

I don't think the word really was needed there. Like, I'm not pre-empting you as a scum read so much as I'm doing X...but I am a bit pre-empting you as a scumread.

It would have read find without the really.

focus purely on the moist part knowing it has no bearing to wincon.

How do we know it doesn't? What did I miss.

Because I have it and it doesn't...

Right but why can't scum have it too?

like, how do you know scum has the moist thing if you're town?

Guys I'm pretty sure SAD just scumslipped

But this description is right. SAD didn't scum slip with it. The moist is just a modifier that has nothing to do with alignment or wincon, it's just a little mini game to amuse the mod.

Gotcha, at least now multiple people confirm.

That maria immediately jumped to it being a modifier is bugging me.

Why? It doesn't bug me. At all.

That maria immediately jumped to it being a modifier is bugging me.

Why? It doesn't bug me. At all.

It bugs me because she doesn't have the modifier or else she would have used it. She wouldn't have said "it wouldn't surprise me if you guys have a modifier with moist in it", which would mean she has it.

My thought is that if you see someone constantly using the word moist, my first thought would be to jump to it being a post restriction of some kind. But it's referred to as a modifier, and it concerns me that she has seen it referred to as such.

Is there a reason why you can't just let her answer?

I'm just saying I can understand why she specifically phrased it that way. She's probably not the only one who could have...

focus purely on the moist part knowing it has no bearing to wincon.

How do we know it doesn't? What did I miss.

Because I have it and it doesn't...

uhhhhh, then why did you ask about it?

Did this get answered yet?

True it could just be a coincidence, but I'm not going to not ask about something that pings me to see if it leads me somewhere anywhere.Imagine if you have something in your role pm, you know other people do too, it's not alignment relevant, and someone who does not have it uses the same terminology as used in your role pm, you might just wonder if they'd seen it because scum tend to post their role pms in the scum pt. I'm not sure why I can't follow up on that. It's not a smoking gun or I'd be voting her, It's a this could be a thing and I should ask about it before I dwell on it.

I understand your perspective and I never said you couldn't follow up on it.

I said I can understand why she did that.

IOW, I think you're barking up the wrong tree...not that you didn't have right to. Just that I think you're suspicion is misplaced.

Also Dreal is most definitely a towel

I'm going to keep my SAD pressure and because he certainly sock pings me, but it's going to be a priority for me to sort SAD/Tammy/MariaR

I'm town!

Why do you have SAD/Maria on the priority sort list though?

Because I believe one of you or SAD is scum based off that whole last page or two of stuff. Or I could be way off base and it's maria. Because I'm on the fence about you and if you're a towel then I want to trust your maria read. But I don't completely trust you yet which saddens me so much it makes me want to cry WAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH

Also Dreal is most definitely a towel

dry, moist, wet?

I actually don't know what any of this means.

It is definitely interesting to see some people claim it as a modifier where others see it as the same thing I do, a mini-game that isn't supposed to be game related, and then there are people who seem to be completely unaware of it's part of the game.

I assumed it was a modifier and was unaware it was a game.

I'm not

really

pre-empting you as a scumread I said I have you as lean scum because your early posts felt super wishy wash.

But I can get a read on you later anyway it's not like OMG TAMMY IS SCUM LYNCH HER WITH FIRE.

I don't think the word really was needed there. Like, I'm not pre-empting you as a scum read so much as I'm doing X...but I am a bit pre-empting you as a scumread.

It would have read find without the really.

This pings me.

Tammy was saying the pre-empting thing about Andy, and SAD chimes in like its about him and uses the word "really" which...really...didn't need to be there.

I'm just gonna bring up the SAD really thing every page or two until people tell me it's stupid or it's a thing.

Right. She had a feeling ARTHUR was pre-empting her. And you thought it was about you. And then you used "really" like, I'm not really pre-empting you as much as I'm doing X...but I am a bit pre-empting you.

You are just terrible at this game holy

My town performance banner disagrees.

Right. She had a feeling ARTHUR was pre-empting her. And you thought it was about you. And then you used "really" like, I'm not really pre-empting you as much as I'm doing X...but I am a bit pre-empting you.

Because she calls me Arthur

and I know this fact.

What are you even saying.

I'll take whatever you're on.

aw god dammit.

I misread Arthur and andy

At least people could tell me it's stupid.

That was me preparing to barf @ frogger's "nuh uh I won a scummy!"

Yeah, well it's true. And I led the town there too. So anyone who tells me I'm bad at this will just have to get it thrown in their face.

and this is why there's no more best town performance.shame, people. shame.

Welp.

Sorry y'all.

I'll just shut up today.

Even if so sounds like I struck a nerve with others.

Well I have a weak heart. It's why I left the site in the first place because this site got really toxic for a while.

anyway...back to our regularly scheduled programming of lynching SAD.

Fire let's not drag this out come join the wagon

Fire let's not drag this out come join the wagon

join what?

wait who am I even voting?

This juicy SAD wagon

I'd vote SAD just for saying he has like 7 TRs after 10 troll pages and maybe only 3 legit content pages. but i'll wait

Fro99er want to be towel buddies?

That sounds sexy.

I'm game.

how many votes on him rn

7

he's at L-2

Can we L-1 and derphammer SAD. I want to see tammy's reaction to that.

ninja'd theres the L-1

DERPHAMMER PLZ

OMG SOMEONE HAMMERZ

FOR THE LOLZ

Can we L-1 and derphammer SAD. I want to see tammy's reaction to that.

Hmmm

are you actually scum.

Not at all.

WTF FIRE

Are you guys kidding me???

If he's really at l-1 someone unvote now.

Also my leaning townread on frogger is gone gone gone. No way now how town him pulls this lame as bullshit. Also if Arthur does flip town and you interacted with me nada about it, I'm not listening to anything you have to say the rest of the game.

HAHAHAHA OKAY TRY ME

Someone should hammer SAD pretty please then Tammy would have to do battle with me.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

He's prob VI and I'm prob blacklisting him cuz any mcmenno-looking-alt makes me want to vomit but policy is policy

Vote: Frogger

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

NO U.

I'm as town as they come. I'm sorry your break made you rusty as fuck, but hey guess what you're not getting me lynched and you want to battle me you better bring the big fucking guns.

I'll dance.

^ This post strongest vibe btw I've gotten of town-Tammy.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

There is something seriously wrong with Frogger here.

After this game you'll be 1/3 in reading me.

I guess MAFIACEPTION was the ex...ception.

this was a good sentence.
I think it would be a huge boon to all parties involved if you two tried to explain your reads on each other a tiny bit better.

I didn't like Tammy's stance on SAD at all, especially as SAD was under pressure.

Because she can read me better than everyone else here combined with prob the only other being close is Maria?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

although I still want to lynch SAD and just figure out if I'm wrong on Tammy later.

VOTE: SAD

TBF I do think a town!Tammy and I can actually work together, and I'm starting to feel like this could be a TvT.

I don't care if she still scum reads me for "can't take the heat I'm backing off" ... it is what it is.

LOL

Gonna try to just ignore the fact you were just advocating a quick lynch on me

while still not answering specially why you have a scumread on me

while saying you have been explaining it all game while your ISO shows that you have ZERO explanation of your scumread on me.

You're a spineless pale pathetic lot
and you haven't got a clue
somehow I'll make a man out of you.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

He's scum for advocating a quick lynch on Arthur less than 24 hours into the game for shaky as shit reasons and because it would be funny to see my reaction.That's a real thing that happened.

You think that he was seriously endorsing a quicklynch?

P sure yes.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I still think SAD is scum for that push on the miller then saying it was a fake push and he's always town read him.

Other people are scumreading Desp

In addition you voted me and were wagoning me before I said that about Desp that I was trying to see if it was a fake claim or not..

Answer

my

fucking

question

Point out where you originally had a scumread and where you said it in your ISO.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I even spoiler multiquoted your whole ISO for you it really should be hard for someone who has been explaining it ALL GAME right???

Great,explain your scumread on me.

LOL I've been explaining it all game dude.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Oh I'm sorry was this the part where I was supposed to get all lovey dovey and do hug things or something because the argument was being diffused.

Yeah I'm not about that life in a mafia game I have 0 emotions.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Here you go

Desperado votes are the worst votes.

DONT MAKE ME KICK AND SCREAM AND CRY OH OHLY SHIT DESPERADO LIVES IN RALEIGH?

Holy Tammy's posts feel so so so off.

Holy sock

Yeah Andrius is scum prob.

Holy Tammy's posts feel so so so off.

So do you think Andy is weakly bussing Tammy by saying her posts feel off (a line which you then repeated)?

Yeah and what if it's multiball or third-party or anything it's stupid to do association tells before flips.

It's never stupid to do association tells before flips. to use it as your only basis for a scum read is, but not to do it in general as part of a larger picture. But socks ALWAYS scold me on this.

First post has nothing to do with me. There are multiple people scumreading Desp. If anything I'm townreading Desp so are you fucking high.

Second post shows no critical thinking or any form of explanation.

Third line you're stupidity trying to do association before flips.

Fourth is you explaining stupidity.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Wait am I not ur biggest scum read anymore dayne?
I am hurt

No you are dw bud I'm trying to figure out if this dude is VI or not though.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

And woah woah woah I thought you loved scum??? Or was that just when you never drew it and you couldn't wait to draw it? It's not all you thought it would be?

I hated scum ever since I failed WJ

I wouldn't really say hate though. Just extremely boring.

This got lost in the fist fight.

But Battlestar Galactica where we were scum together is one of my fondest memories. But that's probably because it's the first time I won as scum at Westeros.

Ohhh I think Helo/Starbuck?

Yeah that one was a fun one. I think I did get lynched in that one near engame but you won next day or something lol.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I remember my first scumgame WJ was trying to guide me through my play LOL but I ended up getting lynched super early.

He was like "calm down you're looking way too excited in main thread you need to take it easy" but then I panicked and got lynched.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

But I also didn't townread dayne before I said he was scum.

Wait a min...

You even said this later on:

SAD actually doesn't feel as most as i thought.
he might not be a true towel.

And you replied to me when I said you're backpedaling:

that vote makes me so dry

Yet you don't remember any of it?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

desperado might be way to go:
VOTE: desperado

He's town...

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I was honestly really drunk right now.

Last night lol

LOL

Go easy on the booze my man.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also nacho does sometimes diffuse arguments as scum, but I kinda feel like as scum he'd do it differently.

I did that in Masquerade ball because pie and mhsmith were towning it up wayyy too much and I felt I had to break it up so I kinda caught that and got similar vibes, but that game all town/town pairs had to be lynched whereas here nacho didn't necessarily feel pressured to do something even if both you/frogger get townread so not sure.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I mean I got lynched Day 2 and I didn't give a fuck and I could get lynched this game today and I wouldn't give a fuck.

So you really don't care about your survival, like at all? Do you even want to play, or are you already going through the motions?

I play to correctly call the scum team.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Hmm that's actually the only reason I play mafia anymore to see if I'm correctly calling reads or not.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Give me time my boi I'm not a prophet.

I don't really have a scumread on you anymore some of the most recent interaction with Tammy you had reads town (not outside the realm of fakeability I guess but genuinish sounding?) I don't really have a good spot to put my vote right now.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Hmm I think Toogelo's post overall p scummy.

His early parts read as forced justification to vote me but they don't address anything I have done as scummy and I have no idea where his scumread comes from.

Also justifying a vote with "Worst case is we get rid of someone who isn't really willing to work with town or be a detriment down the line" is terrible.

Yeah overall reads like he's trying to beat a dead-horse and doesn't want me to get townread.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Zach is super scummy btw post 617.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Oh yeah I remember that lmao had a good laugh at the side shade throw but I loved it either way.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Zach is super scummy btw post 617.

You'll have to elaborate, my friend.

Oh the side defense on me it was something Spiffeh (scum) did in DEFCON when I was being wagoned on Day 2 and he was halfheartedly defending the wagon saying it was bad etc.

You just have a lot to gain from it and very little to lose knowing I'll flip town. Also it's extremely similar to Spiffeh because you're not actively trying to stop the wagon just sitting there saying that you think it's bad.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Anyway here is an upated tier list I had to do a fresh one because I accidentally erased what was in my notepad but I don't have a concrete scumlist anymore makes me sad

Desperado, Pine, Tammy
Slysly, Aeronaut, gerryoat, Frogger
Maria, Creature, Nosferatu, dreamz, Nacho
Andrius, Toogeloo, Firebringer, Zach

Deuces I'm out for the night I gotta do a bunch of work.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Another beautiful day, another day Andrius has the most convinent reads in the world.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also even outside of what Desp's claim his recent posts have been hardcore town. This guy is either refusing to read the game or just scum keeping his reads static.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Holy moly Nosferatu has no content it's just "catching up" posts then nothing out of a million posts he (she?) decided to comment sarcastically to one post with a picture after a half hour of catching up.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Creature's lack of presence is also worrying I thought he was supposed to be a hardcore spammer as town or something? I remember a quick thing I read where it said if creature wasn't one of the top posters he's scum and here he just feels coasting by super hard.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I kinda like Zach's posts from last night at least his dreamz scumreads sounds genuine(ish).

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I would think you would know if you were or not from memory you only had 1 n0 post in the beginning the came in the middle said something about my wagon being bad have your usual read list style then disappeared. If anything it looks like you're trying to fake your townplay but like me you hate being scum and find it boring so you stay under the surface because you can't find the ~effort~ to put.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I have the day off btw so less phone posting more COMPUTER posting later when I'm home woooooooo! Wanna do some ISOs. A lot has been trolling but mafia geniuses can find needles in a haystack dw.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

GLORIOUS ERRANTPARABOLEANS
dreaemrz
Pine
MariaR
FB
SlySly

Fro99er

Toog - awaiting more reads

???
Zack
Nosferatu
Aero
Creature

SOCKS
SAD
Desperado
Tammy
Gerry
nacho*

Changed my mind. Through page 23 and [

Frogger

, Tammy, Nacho] all better.

The bolded parts super interesting yeah these reads feel fake as hell.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Okay so I wanna take a look at the atrocity that was my wagon. This is what it looks like roughly (with few people on/off)

Ser Arthur Dayne (7): Aeronaut, Pine, Andrius, drealmerz7, SlySly, gerryoat, Fro99er + (Firebringer) + (Toogeloo).

Aeronaut's

vote and related posts:

Spoiler:

VOTE: Sir Arther Dayne

You heard the man.

First one was blank vote out of no where but I guess decent points for originality. The second post is the one I get townvibes from. Usually when I give my usual response of not caring about votes on me scum then try to use that against me like I'm faking it or something (from memory similar to what toogeloo has done but I'll keep that for a bit later). Idk his jokish response just read genuine like he also gave off an aura of not caring as opposes to trying to manipulate votes on me or pushing the wagon knowing it's a mislynch.

Pine's

vote/posts:

Spoiler:

I'm thinking a SAD vote is justified, but let's have this discussion first.

Sorry Andy, Desperado isn't interesting anymore.

VOTE: SAD

New Strahd wagon.

PEdit: He might be, but right now he's the Baker Paladin, and I cleave to my man

PEdit: He might be, but right now he's the Baker Paladin, and I cleave to my man

"He might be, but right now I have this raging boner that makes me afraid to interact with anyone I know so I will vote a wagon that will not hurt my feelings."

Yeah, I don't have a problem lynching my friends. There are no friends at the end of the mafia day. Right now, however, this ad hoc bloc is producing results. Result #1-Desperado reacts Townishly. Result #2-SAD switches from happy-go-lucky I-love-votes to TRYHARD as soon as serious interest is shown in his wagon

It's weird that he's mostly voting me (or at least initial reason) for having flavor that is beneficial to helping person doing laundry knowing full well that the people who have claimed having negative flavor (him and Desperado) both have negative roles/modifiers (hated and miller), and I have claimed my role is positive. Idk I just expect more critical thinking skills. BUT the fact that he's willing to go after someone who has positive flavor is huge townish points, if he was scum I would expect him to know that a lot more people in the town also have positive flavor (unless I really am like the only town with positive flavor but if my theory is correct the scum and the town with negative roles/modifiers have negative flavors that hinder the person doing laundry and town with positive roles have positive flavor). His response to me calling out his spineless nature feels okayish I guess? The last part about me switching from happy-go-lucky to tryhard reads as decent scumhunting and I can actually see why he would see that esp unfamiliar with my playstyle so it's w/e.

Andruis

vote/posts-

Spoiler:

SAD are you a sock?
I just got a feeling you're a sock.

SAD is scum.
Desp is scum.
THE STRAHD KILLERS are all town.
Solid start.

SAD is scum.

I love it.

Your approach/tone is what strikes me.

Aero is town btw.

For what?

My super secret read is Tammy lean scum.

Same.
She was here for pages 1-2 and is gone.
wut

Sorry Andy, Desperado isn't interesting anymore.

VOTE: SAD

New Strahd wagon.

PEdit: He might be, but right now he's the Baker Paladin, and I cleave to my man

"HE MIGHT BE"
PINE WHAT IS THIS CRAP

...I said "might"

If you want to talk to me then say the word. I'm not here to pretend everything's fine and dandy clearly it ISNT because the LAUNDRY ISNT DONE.

Vote: SAD

ALL ABOARD STRAHDIANS

Overall very little justification for the vote on me. Calls me and desperado scum since early on and still has the same reads. It's something I tend to do as scum a lot where I basically have static reads because I can't be bothered to make fresher reads and more importantly I don't wanna start any fights/attention from people who I call scum so I make as few enemies as possible. This is exactly what Andruis seems to be doing. He calls very few people scum, he appeals to friendos by calling them town, then he calls Tammy and nacho scummy and IMMEDIATELY switches to "I feel better about them". What does this give off? It gives off the impression like he's actually formulating reads, while in actuality avoids any confrontation and possible enemies. I don't think he's a particularly spineless player so what he's doing with the circlejerk killer group of his seems to just be appeal via friendliness. It's just something that made UT extremely hard to lynch in DEFCON, and what Andruis looks like he's trying to copy. If you're a friendly player and you group people and you talk to them/have fun/etc it makes you a very hard person to get a scumread on because people naturally wish you are town. His whole shtick feels fake and his reads feel faker. One last point I wanna make is post 163 where he felt the need to give a justification for his scumread on me even though I didn't ask him for one. All I said is "I love it", but he felt the need to give a justification, which felt weird at the time and still feels weird.

Dreamz's

vote/posts-

Spoiler:

Wait but my flavor is helping the person doing the laundry.

so you're claiming that you're scum but that you are helping with the laundry so my point about des is moot?

Like my role/flavor is a thing that helps the person doing laundry, whereas desp has something that hinders the person doing the laundry.

Those 2 things clearly don't match up.

it does if you're town and he's scum

but the only way it strikes YOU as NOT matching up which what I claimed about des's flavor, is if you're scum with flavor that "helps the person doing laundry"

SAD disappeared after my flavor pressure on him

pedit: there he is

No I don't make relationship tells before a flip are you on drugs I rank people independently.

Why do I have to explain this to people every game.

drives me nuts too

I keep the assocation possibilities in mind and completely fluid, but they should almost never be a point of discussion

"how can you be voting your top SR who is voting your 2nd SR?" - uh because that's how it makes sense play the game?

SAD, you don't have a read on me yet?

I'm good voting SAD or desperado currently

that's crazy fast for me on a D1

UNVOTE: desperado
VOTE: Sir Arthur Dayne

omg now SAD is asking about role PM info

he must die

Hmm this dude is all over the place. Few things: Focus a lot on flavor (for someone who claims to hate talking about flavor), his read on me looks somewhat contrived jumps from "omg stop talking abotu flavor" to "i'm down with this lynch", his responses to me not related about flavor. First point is it is extremely easy to talk about setup/flavor from a scum standpoint but it makes you look like you're putting in ~effort~ while not actually doing much of anything. Another thing, and this is what I'm really having a problem with, is why he jumped on me for having positive flavor and making the assumption positive flavor = scum. This needs to be answered by him I couldn't give a fuck if he hates flavor talk or not: Do you have positive or negative flavor. His whole posting also feels fake? Idk it just seems like he's trying to fake his town style without actually... being useful. I haven't spectated a bunch of games he's in, but from the very few he's way more useful as town. His first post (250) reads as "look at me guys I'm totally town and playing alone and thought that no one is posting yet oopsie I was looking at the wrong thread".

Slysly's

vote/posts:

Spoiler:

UNVOTE: Desperado
VOTE: SAD

LOL that's literally what it is. Uhh I guess naked vote without the need to justify it feels a bit townish. I remember in Defcon when I was being wagoned Cephrir (scum) naked voted me in the middle, but that case felt different because MoI had already made a case and people were wagoning me (and we had already hit scum day 1). Here there wasn't much of a case and if he's scum he knows I'll flip town. Idk just feels more like "fuck it I'll join this wagon for pressure/etc" which reads natural? Rest of posts give me good vibes not sure why, little content, but it looks like he's not purposely giving little content or sliding under the radar, hard to describe.

Gerry's

vote/posts:

Spoiler:

I'd vote SAD just for saying he has like 7 TRs after 10 troll pages and maybe only 3 legit content pages. but i'll wait

Especially when everyone was joking around and no one giving any alignment tells.

OK i just dont wanna hammer lol

VOTE: Ser Arthur Dayne

I'm not sure why giving townreads is scummy. Ehh I know he's not aware of my playstyle so I'll let some of the point slide but I tend to scumread/townread a lot of weird little things in people's posts, and also like to have reads early even if they're wrong, I just like reads organized and pressure being applied and my tiers list being formed. But from his POV I'm not sure what he wants? To wagon one of the few people moving the game along? Like, what's the town-motivation in his posts/vote on me, I actually can't find none. With some of his posts he strikes me as an anal player (the no RVS voting etc) so I'm surprised he is doing almost nothing and trying to stiffle discussion. Also it's not like he asks me why I have those townreads, he just doesn't like the fact I have townreads. However, outside of his vote/related posts, I actually quite like his other posts, particularly 14 and 350. 376/411 holy weird af but w/e for now.

Frogger

-

I'm not gonna quote all of his posts because there was a lot feel free to go ISO him. I've also said enough I think about him. I got the feeling like he was excited for a wagon, I do that a lot. Part of my suspicion on him came from frustration with how terrible he was playing. Part of it was genuine confusion at if he believed half of the things he was saying. That said, more important than the vote/interaction with my wagon I think is his interaction with Tammy. I'm willing to say it feels genuine for now. I'll leave him on my lean town pile, I don't think scum would go from wanting to lynch someone to switching read and then agreeing with their read (my read on Zach). That dynamic style of reads comes much more from town actively trying to solve the game.

Firebringer

-

Frogger part 2 has a bunch that I'm not gonna bother quoting. One thing I don't like is him going "town read on SAD" "Ehh maybe I don't feel as strongly about the townread on SAD anymore" "Vote SAD". BUT that said, I actually don't think he would be blatant like that as scum. Ik he was scum in defcon and it was pretty obvious there but he was still trying to play more discrete so here it just feels like weird train of thought rather than scum intention. I will leave this here in case he does turn out scum so I can pat myself on the back: His backpedal on me to appeal to ~friendos~ in 167 was really really really reaaaaally scummy. However how he can admit that he might be wrong on me and unvoting when I'm at L-1 could come from both alignments. At the time I assumed he was just scum who didn't wanna get his hands dirty and was looking for town points in case I did ever flip (the Spiffeh effect from Defcon). Umm I actually still think that might be the case. But some of his other posts (461, 466, 640, 689) give me good vibes. He can move up to lean scum though? I actually thought I was gonna move him up to at least null when I started his part but honestly looking at his ISO he still feels scummy.

Toogeloo's

vote/posts:

Spoiler:

Town Reads:
Desperado
Tammy
MariaR

IGMEOY
Andrius

Scum Reads:
Pine
SAD (cuz it's popular and he smells like underwear I've been wearing all week)


Thought I did this last night...

Vote: Pine

I mean I got lynched Day 2 and I didn't give a fuck and I could get lynched this game today and I wouldn't give a fuck.

So you really don't care about your survival, like at all? Do you even want to play, or are you already going through the motions?

You can feel free to vote me if you're not!

I want you to get lynched with vengeance when I flip town.

Has this

ever

happened? Day X, Persona A gets lynched, Day after X, Person B gets lynched as per Person A's request?

If he wants to pull shit out of his ass to suck up

Where else would he pull shit out?

You mean I was right on my townread that no one listened too :O

Have we had a flip yet that I am unaware of?

yes he was Arthur was at L-1 that's a serious thing that happened as he was calling for more votes and a hammer.

I actually wouldn't have minded if this happened. Sometimes the most off the wall day 1 quick lynches can setup town for an amazing town block early should they catch scum. Worst case is we get rid of someone who isn't really willing to work with town or be a detriment down the line.

BTW it's been too long. Was it Nacho or Notty who diffuses TvTs as scum?

Nacho's posts were more IIOA and not really much of anything other than arbitration. Any alignment could have done that, and Nacho is pretty savvy as either alignment.

I diffuse TvTs as scum frequently, but this was a move coming from Nacho the human being as opposed to Nacho the player.

Case in point. It could simply for generating posts, or maybe a caring individual, either way there wasn't any content in the arbitration.

Also nacho does sometimes diffuse arguments as scum, but I kinda feel like as scum he'd do it differently.

He didn't really do anything though.

VOTE: Gerry

Don't give up so easily...

Unvote;
Vote: SAD

Yeah these are basically garbage. Weak justification for having me in his scum list first "cuz it's popular and he smells like underwear I've been wearing all week". Then weak justification for getting on the wagon. Almost nothing he replied to me in his 2nd post read as him having a scumread on me, like legit when I first read his post I was thinking "Okay why are you replying to useless posts with more useless stuff" then I saw the vote and I was like huh? Just seems to be trying to keep my wagon alive while also making weak excuse to get on the wagon. For someone who also claimed post restriction with pictures, he also has had some posts that didn't include any (440, 672, 679, 718). His response to Andrius in 717 (Yeah, I dunno. I had that read like 3 hours into the game, so it was mostly RVSish still I guess) reads spineless scummy. Like okay so congrats you have now only 1 scumread now and thats because you're following the masses you would think he would more actively try to solve the game but nope he seemes to be content with being useless and letting the rest of the town be useless (and while I do hate making assosications preflips, this is more of a note to self, but the exchange between andruis and toogeloo posts 710/717 doesn't read scum on scum of same alignment).

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I also wanted to look at counters to my wagon (the people saying it was bad and stuff or just avoiding the topic) but I do that maybe in a bit.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

theres so much spam here friends.

A whole 2 pages since your last post? Or is this "I'm scum and don't feel like putting in ~effort~ so I'm gonna complain about the amount of posts". I actually did the same exact thing in Masquerade ball as scum and correctly got called out on it by Shadow.

Anyway here is an upated tier list I had to do a fresh one because I accidentally erased what was in my notepad but I don't have a concrete scumlist anymore makes me sad

Desperado, Pine, Tammy
Slysly, Aeronaut, gerryoat, Frogger
Maria, Creature, Nosferatu, dreamz, Nacho
Andrius, Toogeloo, Firebringer, Zach

Deuces I'm out for the night I gotta do a bunch of work.

I've literally done nothing this game, how am I so high?

Try reading maybe? Or not that's cool too? Not that you're there anymore though, spoilers I'm thinking of placing you somewhere in lean scum but I haven't done the updated tier list I wanna look at the rest of the people not addressed above first.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Ok so Desperado and Tammy I've addressed enough about why they're town and they're staying there for now.

Zach's response to me and recent posts read town and gave me good feeling, and as I said previously his dreamz scumread feels genuine.

Maria I have things I like about and other things I dislike. I like her general tone and the way she was interacting, I like her super early townread on me (before the wagon). I don't like the her modifier point Tammy brough up about something she didn't know calling it modifier correctly (as opposed to the much more common and logical "post restriction"). More importantly I don't feel like she's putting in enough effort in this game, I got the feeling she was much more engaged in Masqurade ball.

Nosferatu, sliding under the radar, does the "gonna catch up" but then replies sarcastically to 1 post.

Creature I already addressed, I got the impression from what others have said previously that he's a hardcore scumhunter as town and very engaged and spammy but... he's been a huge disappointment thus far. Bored/unengaged scum?

Nacho major contribution is diffusing fight. I agree with Tammy scum sometimes do that both for towncredit and to stop making the two people fighting obviously town in the case Tammy and frogger are, but I don't get the feeling that's what he was trying to do, because he wasn't pressured to stop them from towning it up, it's too early on. So town points for that.

I think that's it?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Updated tiers list wooooooooooooooo

Desperado, Tammy, Pine
Slysly, Frogger, Zach, Nacho
Maria, gerryoat, Aeronaut
Firebringer, dreamz, Nosferatu, Creature
Andrius, Toogeloo

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Vote: Andrius

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Why do you feel better about Fro99er, but he was already a town read?

So let's say you're married.
I think you are.
You love your spouse?
Then they do something unexpected and you love them more.

I townread Fro99er.
He did things.
I townread him more.

Changed my mind. Through page 23 and [Frogger, Tammy, Nacho] all better.

"Hi honey I'm home. And I changed my mind! I love you."

Your wife would slap you and think you didn't love her before.

What you said indicates you had a scumread on him before. Which is why your whole readlist reeks of fakeness. You also liked my reaction to my L-1? That happened before you posted your reads list and you still had me as scum there.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Also if we're wagoning people for lurking and/or not contributing to the game I feel creature is better at least there are people who can vouch for Nos for being like this everything I have ever read about and or seen of creature he's an extremely engaged player.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Maria did this same exact thing in masquerade ball how she hated people stating their reads because it was supposed to be easy to fake or something but offered no advice on how to actually play the game or what to actually do.

It's the same thing here a lot of people noticed Andruis' wacko thin air reads but then she's like why are you people voting him like she refuses to go with the flow I think is her playstyle. Contrarian for the sake of it. I don't think it's alignment indicative for her.

I'm also really liking this nacho btw.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

i just can't get into this game. I need a flip to get reads, but i usually suck day 1 anyway. Why are people voting Andrious

You should replace out it's not too late for someone to catch up your playstyle annoys the shit out of me the "sit there and wait for people to do stuff while I do nothing can we just get a flip any flip I'm bad day 1 I can't get into this game".

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Great, while you're here you can answer:

Another thing, and this is what I'm really having a problem with, is why he jumped on me for having positive flavor and making the assumption positive flavor = scum. This needs to be answered by him I couldn't give a fuck if he hates flavor talk or not: Do you have positive or negative flavor.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Nos' posts are very weak but they actually read somewhat town.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Creature and gerryoat superb policy lynches at this point.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Aeronaut mia for like 4 days from here but active on the rest of the site cool beans.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Maria like lean town?

Idk if I'm just playing hope mafia with that read though.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Gerry's posts give me town vibes.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

@Mod: Can we please get prod on Aeronaut dude has been away for like 5 days.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Oh this is one of those long day deadline games :/

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Yeah I don't think scum OMGUS vote so blatantly.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

If he would have given a good case against me, i could understand.

This is bad though you have almost 0 content posts what do you want a case against you to be.

Only scummy part of his posting b/c scum usually do the "give a case vs me", and like to do 1v1s so they look town and it gives them stuff to do so it looks like ~effort~.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Unvote
Vote: Dreamz

This is super good wagon.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

He's actually my strongest scumread now btw.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

"Catching up" then nothing
Static read/"Just lynch alreadh please"
Trolling around without content/buddying
Doesn't answer the question I asked
Making scummy assumption without baking it up

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

So how do you think he's town at this point?
Was his early game that good?

I could've sworn I moved him down to null pile in my last tier list I think.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Okay I just got my delayed shot Day-cop result and Dreamz is scum.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

wrong

gee, my vote is still in the right place

go figure

Oh sorry are you SK or third party then?

That could die too thanks.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I should've clarified my result was 'not town aligned'.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

you don't need to "clarify" shit, since it's obviously bogus beyond bullshit anyway

So

let me get this straight

you think I'm scum who's fake claiming a day cop day 1

to get you lynched out of all fucking people

how delusional are you.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

You could've at least claimed I was insane day cop or something prob would've helped your case more

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I already claimed I'm the water fountain.

I'm not gonna claim beyond that b/c it's going to allude to my second ability.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

tell the specifics of your delay (:

I'd love to hear what you came up with, if anything

IT TAKES 3 RL DAYS TO GET RESULT

COME AT ME BRUH

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

That last ditch effort at role fishing I see you don't think I don't my man.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm not talking about your other abilities

I'm only talking about the flavor used for me

clearly you have nothing except pathetic scum-tactics

go away

I thought you were no longer engaging with me.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Because you're scummy person who was flying under the radar.

And I was obviously correct.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

You should probably follow my mafia prodigy ties lists.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

tiers*

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Whatever you think hun~~~

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

this is seriously pathetic and starting to annoy me

You're annoyed you got caught day 1?

I'm sorry :/

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

remember when I said SAD was town and yall wagoned him?
Yeahhhh

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

no I'm annoyed that your pathetic fake-claim gambit on me is so fucking patheticly stupid that I can't even engage it on an intellectual level and to try would be stooping to levels of stupidity where I have no ability to compete with your levels of stupidity and you would win so all I can do is try to laugh, but I'm getting annoyed

get it?

like, if you'd come up with something GOOD I could engage you and tear you apart

put that is just such a nothing empty piece of shit fakeness that I can't, it's bothersome

I could try...but it would probably just hurt really badly

I don't think you know how this works.

I don't engage anything. I don't care what you have to say. I'm not gonna argue against my results.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

you won't even share how you got results

I already did you even replied to it

why are you being so horribad? you just really suck at being scum this badly?

I'm a mafia PRODIGY no matter what role or alignment I'm playing don't you worry.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I use splash

Basically like magikarp

and I reveal people's true self.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

LMAO

this guy is flailing so hard.

I'm not this stupid to fall into the hardcore role fishing.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Wait is this seriously hard for you to understand?

3 days ago I asked mod to investigate you.

I got result that you're not town aligned.

The ability is paraphrased to something like you splash things and make them shiny, allowing you to see their true colors. And then tells me I'm a delayed day cop and explains it.

Is this hard for you to understand?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Why am I bothering to justify myself vs a guilty result sigh.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Wait did you guys not get fake claims and you're trying to find out how a town PR role PM looks like?

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

That's hilarious LOL I'm sorry to hear that :/

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Read the game from here on, if you want to have any sort of idea on how it is done.

Can you show me how it's done again tbh only reason I'm still awake is to find out what you're gonna fake-claim

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Oh btw seriously now for the other players the reason I chose to investigate him is because of this point (which he never answered anyway)

Great, while you're here you can answer:

Another thing, and this is what I'm really having a problem with, is why he jumped on me for having positive flavor and making the assumption positive flavor = scum. This needs to be answered by him I couldn't give a fuck if he hates flavor talk or not: Do you have positive or negative flavor.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

I'm scum because I won't answer to YOUR ROLEFISHING?

laughably

pathetic

Wait a min...

It's scummy to pressure someone for flavor?

Interesting...

SAD disappeared after my flavor pressure on him

pedit: there he is

Flail more

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Ahhhhh 2012 good old times.

That year we thought the world was gonna end my boi.

[Ser Arthur Dayne]

Damn I gotta go to sleep I wish I could stay awake longer but I'm super tired. Hope you enjoyed your birthday Maria and thanks for going along with my gambit

And thanks for entertaining time dreamz! I'll read this dude's reaction tomorrow I wish I wasn't so garbage at gambits though to make them a bit more believable...