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You realize that is literally what youre saying in your own post you quoted right? (5231)
Have the uses of them fruit vendors ever been discussed in the diamond neighbourhood?
Ive always been wondering why some people suddenly started hard townreading Gerry, I assumed it was because of the hearts neighbourhood and him having the card revive but that clearly wasnt the case.-
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NO, heart is trump meaning he can have a card with BP.In post 5643, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:we're vigging him
also nobody tell mathblade that giga/dunn/grey/max as a scumteam is mechanically impossible unless you think A: my inventory result was fake and an arbitrary guess that happened to be correct, or B: Jackel didn't venge anyone
i can verify mcmenno is in the clubs hood btw, and we already know he's in the diamonds hood because of the dunn slip discussion
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Alright, time for some announcements and semi-whines.
-I told maxous not to shuffle. We had some discussions about it with fishy as well. Shuffling here was suboptimal and dangerous. Even in the worst case scenario (LUV shoots a town other than spyrex) mafia couldnt lynch spyrex today. Now we have safe cards with a lot of game-solving utility. If we shuffle scum might get a vig activated (if they are the holders) and we insta loose today without having a chance to do anything about it.
-Im kinda disappointed the plan to inventorize 2 different suits got changed. What reasons did you guys have for that? Was it really not obvious there had to be another ace of clubs in the deck? With the claims, inventory on clubs + hearts wouldve told us the exact same thing about the A-c regardless + allow us to narrow down who is lying. Heck, even using inventory on the 5-clubs wouldve been better since it shows whether 2 particular people are lying (mightve caught both of them in the act).
-Theres a few other people that could be holding the ace of clubs. Most notably imo is Gerry. The others are far less likely since they claimed their cards way earlier.
-LUV, why did you choose to kill Spyrex? I have a hunch, but I want -YOU- to answer this (noone else speculate on this untill he answers it please).
-I still have an unclaimed card that I drew with my carddraw. Not going to out it since it matters little but it might influence mafia kill choices (I did claim it in my hood).-
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oh btw, its 11v4 now. Even in the off-chance Kison is being setup by TWIE, with the scumkill itll be 9v4 tomorrow. In this scenario we can easily speedhammer TWIE before the 48h deadline. The only way mislynching Kison makes us loose today is if tomorrows trump is a scum controlled vig or fruitvendor that can hit an allergic target.-
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Whats left in the deck (if all CLAIMS are truthfull):
1x Ace: Ace of diamonds
2x kings: 1 spade and 1 heart (more if Gerry is lying)
4x Queens: 2 Diamonds, 1 club, 1 heart
3x jacks: 2 diamonds, 1 heart
4x 10's: 1 of each
1x 9: 9 of hearts
1x 8: 8 of diamonds
3-4x 7's: 1 spade/diamond and 1 or 2 club's (depending on LUV's holdings)
3 or 4 x 6's: 1 spade, 1 heart and potentially 1 or 2 clubs (depending on Kisons holdings)
1-3 5's (after tonight): 1 spade and 0-2 clubs (luv/TWIE)
4x 4's: 2 diamonds, 1 club/heart
2x 3's: 2 spades
2x 2's: 1 club/heart-
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Yeah I allready noticed my outcome was different from the gm's deck-remaining-number. The 9 of hearts also was trumps once, probably missed that. Think theres 1 more error somewhere, but its not that important anyway. Its just interesting to me to see the rough probabilities of different trumps for the coming day/night cycle which is going to be very important.In post 5922, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:also vecna your card list is wrong
drealmerz has the 9 of hearts that's all i noticed
Most notably and possibly gamechanging are the comparatively high probabilities for Grey's alpha vig to become active (4/32), or Kison's fruitvendor (although the odds of it also making someone allergic are 2/32 if people do have the 5-c)-
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Anyways I really dont see a possible scum setup where TWIE isnt bussing Kison here, unless my reads really are horrible this game. Id strongly advocate for an inventory on the 5-c since it might net us 2 scum or clear TWIE from being the person with the A-c if we lynch Kison and he does flip without the watcher card.-
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Im no longer opposed to a luv lynch. Hes definately in the very likely scumpool and i cant really see a scumteam without him. The only things holding me back is that the scumteam choices make no sense with luv bein scum. Not gonna go into most of them but why on earth would scum luv shoot spyrex, whose mislynch is probably their easiest way to get a win on spades. Also, if we are wrong here, we only have 48 hours to decide between kison and twie so we need to decide there as well.
Either way, if luv is town i bet scum would be jumpinh on this already since hes hated as well.-
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What did you mean with another titus situation luv?In post 5562, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
I didn't. I want to keep it hidden for now incase another Titus situation happens to me again.In post 5561, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:did you say who your track was on? don't remember
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Oh dont worry luv, its the scum teams turn to start dropping like flies now, starting with you. I do have to say gj on the wifom of killibg rb and spyrex, you did have quite a few of us fooled with that.
Giving up the spyrex wincondition is quite the strange choice though....Are we getting to close to you and your teammates? Also is that line bragging about the davesaz kill meant to protect dunn or something?-
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Also the problem with this is:In post 6142, Vecna wrote:And to be fair, this watcher shenanigans will only give a conclusive results if Kison is wrong, if he's right it still doesnt mean shit since he'd have had a 50/50 to guess correctly.
Who do you force to out first the result first Fish?
Consider: TWIE is real. Outs the watcher result. Kison blindly sheeps.
Other scenario: Kison is scum. Is forced to out result first. Kison states no visit. TWIE claims visit. Kison states he was just messing around to not have his result sheeped to see if TWIE Falls for the trap.
So many nonsense can go on with it, but I guess its the best we have.-
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Theres 2 ways to handle today:
Option 1:Grey confirms before the 48h deadline that he's shooting Kison. EVERYONE IS UNVOTED when the 48h passes so that scum cannot hammer on any single voter in case Grey is scum.
Option 2: Grey confirms before the 48h deadline that he's shooting Gerry. We lynch Kison before the 48h mark OR are ALL UNVOTED at the 48h mark.
At any rate noone should cast a vote before Grey confirms he's shooting, and on who. We also need KISON to out his watcher report asap.-
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Not sure I know what u meant with that last pointIn post 6217, Fishythefish wrote:@Vecna: I don't think your Option 2 (shoot gerry) is sensible - with the TWIE/Kison situation, Kison is much the better kill. I certainly don't think Grey should shoot without direction.
After Kison is down - I agree, though with a slightly heavy heart, that Dunn and gerry are high on the lynch menu. Though not necessarily both of them, since it's harder to tunnel on someone who's dead.
BTW, I've pointed out something I expect you already know through our chain.-
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Pm it to the gm as well
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I hope you do realize the only 2 people you can shoot are Kison and Gerry right? Because im getting the feeling from these posts youre trying to shoot TWIE, who doesnt have the cards in his hand for your vig to work.In post 6340, -Grey- wrote:Like, you wanted the dipole resolved.
Like, it still will be.
Like, my shot is just as much pro-town regardless of which of you I like, shoot.
So like, eat lead.-
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Some points for consideration:
-grey vigging titus, who was scumreading and pushing both kison and gerry hard. Ive been townreading the slot for the longest of times, and I fully aplauded the Titus kill at the time, but with the flip information this makes even more sense as a scum play.
-Im still proposing we lynch both dunn and gerry today. Sacrefising one town to catch a scum is a good trade to make now, and i really wouldnt want to be caught in lylo with either (unless one of them flipped scum before that). Of the two I still think Dunn is more towny, and if were only lynching one id prefer gerry + grey.-
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I know what you mean, but we cannot draw conclusions from it yet. The same reasoning could be applied to Grey's alignment if you know what I mean - But lets not discuss this any furtherIn post 6511, Fishythefish wrote:@Vecna: I kind of think Max is scum due to a secret we know and stuff that's happened today. I think you've interpreted the same things as pointing to Grey, but I think they point fairly squarely at Max - particularly as Kison was V/LA today. Thoughts?
I find the Dunn wagon underwhelming in case and in composition.
VOTE: gerry-
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still 2 kings leftIn post 6565, gerryoat wrote:is there any kings in the deck. i shouldnt have picked 2 kings. i didnt think i'd get all the cards-
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Ok, im going to take a stance here.
I do NOT want to lynch Dunn.
He actually voted for ME and FISH just now out of all people. If he was scum, there is no way on earth he would vote for someone that could just hammer him straight away. The reason for voting me may be complete nonsense (yes it was weekend, people do stuff during those), and I should be the most blatant town out there by now, but scum wouldnt do it after townreading me all game long. It makes no sense for scum to invite a hammer the way he just did.
Also fish, if you really think maxous is scum (I really dont btw) then you have to agree with me that Dunn cannot be his teammate, unless he really is upping the wifom game about being so inquisitive about the secret (see top of this page).
Ive been happy to hammer any number of mediocre wagons this game, but this will not be one of them.
Scum is in Gerry/Grey/TWIE/Dreal
And of those I want to get rid of Gerry most for going to cause a mislynch tomorrow or the day after during mylo/lylo. Grey should be the second for a number of reasons ill not go into right now.
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Stop fishingIn post 6570, Dunnstral wrote:
Do you guys intend to reveal your super secret alignment info before or after these lynches go throughIn post 6568, Vecna wrote:I know what you mean, but we cannot draw conclusions from it yet. The same reasoning could be applied to Grey's alignment if you know what I mean - But lets not discuss this any further-
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I have no acces to this so I cannot judge it for myself. Based on public play I townread you and Fish only. I TR max for his play in our PT.In post 6579, Dunnstral wrote:
I was getting town feels on drealmerz but maybe I'm wrong. Other people have said drealmerz is town from secret neighborhood stuff and you seem to disagreeIn post 6571, Vecna wrote:and I should be the most blatant town out there by now, but scum wouldnt do it after townreading me all game long.-
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How about you adress my argument as opposed to just making blabla-statements like this?In post 6580, -Grey- wrote:TIL Vecna is stupid.-
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They knew they could probably mislynch dunn easily more like itIn post 6574, gerryoat wrote:As soon as maf realized it was double lynch today, they knew they could just lynch me and Dunn together.-
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Because town should just lay down and die, as opposed to fight for their lives and find a bw on actual scum? Right?
And youre completely misunderstanding my argument: he didnt fish for an easy counter-wagon. He was scumreading the 2 people that are LEAST LIKELY of everyone to result in a counterwagon. There is absolutely zero chance for a wagon to start on me or Fish. There is a way higher likelyhood that me or fish just hammers him on the spot for his rediculous scumreads.-
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