WWE Mafia - Smackdown! (Game Over - Off Television)

[Leonshade]

Greetings! I didn't pay close attention to this thread during D1, looks like karma came to bite me in the ass. I got a couple townreads (Tywin, Titus), but nothing too solid. I'll catch up here when I have the time.

@Massive:

Why did you choose to draft me?

[Leonshade]

@Titus:

Not that I'm known for my high activity in any game, but the Raw thread didn't exactly give me much to work with. The only active ones there also happened to be townreads of mine.

Spoiler: Raw

You're still in my thoughts, Raw friends! I would be going after Lil Uzi right now, I still don't like his behavior around the Penguinos wagon, and the way he's started today is doing nothing to change that.

[Leonshade]

VOTE: DiamondSentinel

I don't like that reaction to Grey's finishers. Not the negativity, but specifically going straight to the personal "you're so toxic" accusation. DS's knee-jerk reaction being about Grey's personality, rather than questioning his alignment, sticks out to me.

[Leonshade]

I don't like sheeping wagons, I like sorting people.

[Leonshade]

VOTE: DiamondSentinel

I don't like that reaction to Grey's finishers. Not the negativity, but specifically going straight to the personal "you're so toxic" accusation. DS's knee-jerk reaction being about Grey's personality, rather than questioning his alignment, sticks out to me.

I'm sorry, but I don't like replacing into a game only for people to immediate discredit me and just not pay attention to what I am trying to say.

I had to ask every single one of you motherfuckers to read my intro post.

Allow me to ask more directly: what's your read on Grey? Your intro post puts him at noob-town with little explanation. You clearly thought that his behavior was anti-town, so why did you seem so convinced that he was toxic town, as opposed to scum?

I need to re-read if I want to be productive here, but my upcoming exam is killing my desire to read. I will prioritize Alban & Pepto's ISOs, first.

[Leonshade]

Oh, and the finisher on Raw was just a fancy hammer, Penguinos was getting lynched regardless. A finisher can't go through without the entire active portion of the town consenting (granted, on Raw active is a relative term...).

[Leonshade]

I was disagreeing with DS, not you.

[Leonshade]

VOTE: DiamondSentinel

I don't like that reaction to Grey's finishers. Not the negativity, but specifically going straight to the personal "you're so toxic" accusation. DS's knee-jerk reaction being about Grey's personality, rather than questioning his alignment, sticks out to me.

I'm sorry, but I don't like replacing into a game only for people to immediate discredit me and just not pay attention to what I am trying to say.

I had to ask every single one of you motherfuckers to read my intro post.

Allow me to ask more directly: what's your read on Grey? Your intro post puts him at noob-town with little explanation. You clearly thought that his behavior was anti-town, so why did you seem so convinced that he was toxic town, as opposed to scum?

I need to re-read if I want to be productive here, but my upcoming exam is killing my desire to read. I will prioritize Alban & Pepto's ISOs, first.

Because he's done the same things that Dwlee did multiple times over his first few games here. I know it's not AI (and I paid the price for thinking it was in Cyberpunk), but if he's scum, we can also kill him at our leisure, as he's not much of a threat.

But don't get me wrong. I don't think he's scum right now. I'm just saying if he is, that'll be easily remedied.

I can't disagree with you there, since I don't think Grey's behavior is AI, either. Your reaction still pings me, but I can't really push you on this anymore. Gotta read some ISOs.

Allow me to ask more directly: what's your read on Grey? Your intro post puts him at noob-town with little explanation. You clearly thought that his behavior was anti-town, so why did you seem so convinced that he was toxic town, as opposed to scum?

I need to re-read if I want to be productive here, but my upcoming exam is killing my desire to read. I will prioritize Alban & Pepto's ISOs, first.

If you have so many questions about me, why are you prioritizing two

other

players in your re-read?

My questions weren't about you, they were about DiamondSentinel's read about you. You were the object of his read, not the subject I was interested in. I'm reading Alban's ISO because I'm reading the slot, and Pepto's ISO because the biggest wagon is against him. I'll make your ISO a priority after them.

[Leonshade]

I don't usually like ending the day so early, but i also don't see anything in gamma's iso worth saving. I won't force my opinions onto the whole town but remember that letting gamma tap out would end the day 8 days early.

If we do kill him and he flips town, iai and creature are gonna be in need of some close watching. If he's scum, I still would watch creature, but not so much iai.

1) agrees that gamma is scummy

2) yet has his new reads ready when gamma flipped town

Hmmm who does that usually???

Was expecting this. My reads were stated before gamma flipped, thanks. Plus, you're forgetting that Gamma did something incredibly scummy before i voted him. Yes he was town, but I had a valid and stated reason to vote him before i did. You didn't. You attacked him on nothing but nitpicks and misrep, leading up to the convenent mistake that finally got him lynched. Thanks for the OMGYS, by the way, helps make me more confident in my vote.

OMGUS is generally a useless tell, does it actually make you more confident in your read?

[Leonshade]

I don't usually like ending the day so early, but i also don't see anything in gamma's iso worth saving. I won't force my opinions onto the whole town but remember that letting gamma tap out would end the day 8 days early.

If we do kill him and he flips town, iai and creature are gonna be in need of some close watching. If he's scum, I still would watch creature, but not so much iai.

1) agrees that gamma is scummy

2) yet has his new reads ready when gamma flipped town

Hmmm who does that usually???

Was expecting this. My reads were stated before gamma flipped, thanks. Plus, you're forgetting that Gamma did something incredibly scummy before i voted him. Yes he was town, but I had a valid and stated reason to vote him before i did. You didn't. You attacked him on nothing but nitpicks and misrep, leading up to the convenent mistake that finally got him lynched. Thanks for the OMGYS, by the way, helps make me more confident in my vote.

OMGUS is generally a useless tell, does it actually make you more confident in your read?

I'll go ahead and answer for him:

"No, it was just another way to try to throw shade on IAI"

I asked the question to gauge his reaction, as I agree that it looks like that. But with this post you're doing the same to Pepto, and interrupted my question in doing so.

Leon's posting this page is pinging me by the way...

Do explain.

[Leonshade]

Spoiler: Raw

Still in favor of a LUV wagon, as I've explained. Can't get behind a Nero scumread at all, he's my top townread now that Narna's dead. Nero's read on LUV isn't scummy, it's logic I agree with myself. I don't see Nero's "lining up lynches" as scummy in the manner he did it, town frequently have multiple scumreads as well. LUV's actions yesterday look like a grab for towncred, I see little town motivation in what he did.

Dodge, I'd like to hear your read on LUV. Your vote on Nero does look like a chainsaw, since you're intentionally ignoring LUV's slot while scumreading Nero based on his read. Someone relate this question to Dodge since he probably doesn't read this thread.

[Leonshade]

Guess I'm not reading Pepto's ISO after all.

We have no certainty when lylo is though. It's a perfect coasting claim for buddies. If my math is right, if Leon is scum, we are already in mylo.

Not a risk from my perspective, but I guess scum could get drafted here tonight. If worst comes to worst, the GMs can swap me and Vifam again to play it safe.

[Leonshade]

Ooh, we should take this opportunity to do a social experiment.

So, since I am the newcomer, and therefore read the thread with fresh eyes, you guys should sheep me for my lynch on Tywin. If it's MyLo, we're screwed anyways. If it's not, then there's no loss!

It's a win-win (almost)!

...how about no.

[Leonshade]

Ooh, we should take this opportunity to do a social experiment.

So, since I am the newcomer, and therefore read the thread with fresh eyes, you guys should sheep me for my lynch on Tywin. If it's MyLo, we're screwed anyways. If it's not, then there's no loss!

It's a win-win (almost)!

...how about no.

How about yes!

I don't want to lynch Tywin.

I don't want to sheep you because of your "fresh eyes".

And I know it's not MYLO, so I have no reason to go for a weird gamble, anyway.

[Leonshade]

Unvote

Diamond: If you think we're in MYLO, isn't the correct play to lynch Leonshade?

I don't think we're in MyLo, though. The fact that Titus does, and yet is trying to lynch Leon raises flags.

You actually raise a good point, Titus's post seems like fear-mongering. I've been townreading her, but I'll put her on the ISO shortlist.

I'll try to catch up over the weekend, got an exam Friday and mafia plus other procrastination is cutting into my reading enough as it is. I'll still be here to interact, so this isn't really a V/LA.

[Leonshade]

@Titus:

Are you actually scumreading me, or is your proposed lynch just based on the possibility of scum being drafted here? If the latter, your proposed lynch makes no sense. Lynching the draftee is the worst possible policy lynch, and just serves to keep the scum that doesn't get drafted alive. And we're not lynching a mason claim today, either.

Town: Tywin, Maria, Pepto (I doubt the mason claim is fake, the fakeclaim is really ballsy if so)
Townlean: massive, Titus (getting paranoid of Titus due to the fear-mongering)
Scummy: DiamondSentinel

So I want to take a look at Alban & Titus's ISO to get a better read on them, and at the rest to sort them.

[Leonshade]

@Creature:

Could you explain your TR on DiamondSentinel? As well as why Tywin is in your scumpool.

[Leonshade]

Now we're in LYLO? There's 11 players remaining FFS.

[Leonshade]

Ah, I misread. But I still disagree that scum!Maria and Pepto claiming masons here wouldn't be ballsy. If we had decided to lynch Pepto anyway to test the claim, Maria would've been confirmed scum.

[Leonshade]

That's a horrible town gambit, it would take a lot to get me to believe that it was a town gambit instead of scum protecting their buddy.

[Leonshade]

I can't tell whether massive could actually book a cage match. I kinda want to find out.

This back-and-forth feels like TvT (Town vs. Titus) to me.

[Leonshade]

If we're gonna get into start judging the size of our e-peens by our join dates, I'll start swinging mine around.

Then massive will casually walk in and I'll slink away in embarassment.

[Leonshade]

Oh, could someone break this submission?

Tywin's determined to lurk it out, so that he doesn't take any flak on it. He's 100% scum and if you guys just let him get away with this, you guys deserve to lose.

There's still more than 24 hours remaining, and the only practical use of the submissions is finding out who will break them.

[Leonshade]

You think going by your join date is something to be proud of?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

No. DiamondSentinel tried to belittle Grey due to his join date, and I was making fun of him.

[Leonshade]

Holy shit is Pepto scummy.

VOTE: Pepto

[Leonshade]

All this what if -BS about your own role.

I already came into the day wary of the mason claim after the dayvig. Titus was the only one SRing them yet they still felt the need tp dayvig to prove their masonhood? It's like they were looking for an excuse to use their dayvig.

And doing it on Creature essentially without town permission? Anti-town at best.

[Leonshade]

Wait, what just happened?

[Leonshade]

OH GOD I DIDN'T NOTICE THE ZEFIEND VOTE

[Leonshade]

Thanks to my scumbuddies for their good play, all I had to do was play the clueless replacement.

Shout-out to my peeps on Raw, all I want for Christmas is a FULL SCUM SWEEP