Designer Mafia 2007 - Game Over, Final Scene Posted!

[somestrangeflea]

Hi everyone. Let's lynch scopey.

Vote: Kaleidoscope

Oh, I'm convinced!

Vote: Shanba

[somestrangeflea]

Also, as I almost forgot, I am selling tickets for a local Renaissance fair! Please quote this if you want to buy a ticket! I assure you I can help you if you help me! If we all go the fair, we can all enjoy the Renaissance!!!!!!

/in

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Vote: Nocmen

Meep

[somestrangeflea]

Unvote
Vote: Thyroid

The one night people are

away

at the fair.

Reading this gave me the impression of a Scum MassRoleblocker...

[somestrangeflea]

Unvote
Vote: Thyroid

The one night people are

away

at the fair.

Reading this gave me the impression of a Scum MassRoleblocker...

hmm, thats interesting. Can you link me to where you have seen that role before on MS?

No, I can't. Why, you ask?

THIS.

IS.

DESIGNER!

If a role is used here that has been used before, it's boring, and I would like to think that boring doesn't exist in a designer game.

Foolinc may just be following, but I think SSF may have decided that he ph3rz teh t1k3tz...because he's scum.

I have bought a ticket, although admittedly, I am having second thoughts about having done so... Just because I "fer" the ticket doesn't make me scumz.

[somestrangeflea]

Apologies for recent inactivity. It's been a frantic weekend, and I'm going on an away for a few days. No idea how active I can be when I'm gone, but I'll be back on Friday.

If I need to be replaced, so be it...

[somestrangeflea]

Birthday Happiness+1

in light of new evidence do we kill shanny, zoneface, or roid?

Currently up for any of the latter 2...

Because "Fapfap..." is a horrible sound...

[somestrangeflea]

Here's a thought...

CKD, do you know what roles mole sent in? A simple yes or no will suffice.

[somestrangeflea]

Well, we'll just refer to him as the "Ex-Road Runner", and we'll be fine...

[somestrangeflea]

Nocmen!

So, 23 pages into the game and we:
1. Have deduced a method to remove a post restriction.
2. Are still arguing over whether or not the fair is a good idea.
3. Haven't really said anything else.

Wonderful...

...

Why do I get the feeling that you might have just outed the viging cop?

/agreed

There was also a night restriction related to his name being said. I don't want to say too much in case i'm saying too much! lol

So, you say that you don't want to tell us too much, before going all out and telling us everything. That's kinda broken, innit?

[somestrangeflea]

That statement really had nothing to do with saying too much per ce. I didn't want to get ban hammered. I got clarification and I shared. thats all...

Oh, you meant in terms of the rules of the game? That makes sense, I guess...

I figured you meant in terms of outing roles, etc... My mistake.

[somestrangeflea]

Is it just me or does it feel like we haven't had a vote count in like a week and a half?

Fixed.

[somestrangeflea]

Also, I need more tickets. Thanks.

vote thyroid

also, he needs more death.

Nocmen needs death more

it's funny 'cause i just rearranged your words and replaced "he" with "Nocmen"

And replaced "also" with "".

I agree with Schismatized.

Confirm Vote: Thyroid

, because of his continuing marketing attempts...

[somestrangeflea]

/here

/will do a reread soon, but expect little to no activity until Friday... V/LA and the like.

[somestrangeflea]

I am now sick. It's a pretty sucky week for me and Mafia, I can tell you! That being said, I've had a look over pages 1 to 6. Here's some things I picked up on:

[quote="Nocmen]Also, FL, it would be more helpful for the town if you just went and said my MS name, not using Nemcon.[/quote]
Well, with the benefit of hindsight, this suddenly makes much more sense.

Anybody not buying tickets is highly suspect.

It does have something to do with the game, obviously. You want the town to win don't you?

Uhm,

nobody

had bought tickets at this point, so how can

everybody

be highly suspect?

These posts are intimidating and almost extortional, and esentially amount to "If you do not buy my tickets, you are scum. So, ZONEACE, why

aren't

you buying my tickets?"

I would also like to note that between Nocmen's 68 (meeps) and 73 (plaintext), there was no mention of his name, and thus, something is wrong. Considering that there's an inconsistency within the first 5 pages, I'm not going to comment on Nocmen's PR any further than

FoS: Nocmen

Upon reading through Bamboomancer's earlier posts (the posts with all the "truth"), I have some ideas to what his role may be, albeit quite indirectly...

Vote: Tyroidman: With the combination of the RenFairCrypticness, and unnecessariy hostility, in my mind, he is by far the most scummy player yet.

Basically, yeah, what I'm getting at with my above point.

Likewise, nobody would be able to design a role specific enough to counter mine. My role did not exist while any counter would.

Uhm, I can think of 2 people who could:
1. The player who designed your role.
2. The mod.

To be continued later today, hopefully.

[somestrangeflea]

You really think that had a serious intention? That I was essentially saying everyone was suspect?

If you're going to be sarcastic, make it very, very,

very

obvious. If not, you're going to have to deal with everyone taking everything you say seriously.

In short, "Yes".

I only have one vote, you know.

Not necessarily true, but that's another argument and irrelevant, IMO...

1. Why would a player design a role so powerful it needed a counter in the game? This isn't a lyncher-lynchee scenario here.
2. What a terrible and boring mod.

"Would" is irrelevant.

Players can design roles to counteract their own roles

because they can

.

[somestrangeflea]

Please, design me a role that counteracts "you need to get the majority of people to buy tickets then you win haha!!!"

"You are the

Ticketmaster

, ruler of all tickets! You have tickets to all the major events, including the local Renaissance fair!

Unfortunately, XXXX has stolen some of your tickets to that fair, and is attempting to sell them off to the town and steal your profits! Have him killed or lynched before he sells a ticket to the fair to over 50% of the players in the game, and not only will you prevent him from winning the game, but the town will see that you are truly the master of tickets, and you will become Unlynchable! Wowzerz!

You win with the Town."

Am I doing it right?

So anyway, why am I being told to design roles to counter-act "You win if you get >50% of the players to buy tickets", when the argument was initially:

nobody would be able to design a role specific enough to counter

mine

.

And even more peculiar, ssf, is that you seemed to have been extorted into buying a ticket. I'm not quite sure how to reconcile that.

It seemed like a good idea at the time... ='(

[somestrangeflea]

I would like to point out that the above is a hypothetical Role PM designed on the spot, purely for the purpose of this argument. It is not intended to be a quote or fakequote of a role PM, either received by myself, or designed by myself.

Srsly.

[somestrangeflea]

No, you are not. Since the only way for the ticket seller to win is to advertise his tickets, you are including a role in the setup which exists for the sole reason to lynch the ticket seller.

I suck at balancing games, but why does this matter? In terms of your role in this game, how does the fact that I find it difficult to come up with a role to balance out a similar role which you have made up actually matter?

It doesn't.

In short, what Twomz said.

Also:

So anyway, why am I being told to design roles to counter-act "You win if you get >50% of the players to buy tickets", when the argument was initially:

nobody would be able to design a role specific enough to counter

mine.

...still stands.

On that note:

About the nocmen topic... if he is lying, it should be rather easy to tell in a couple of days (since he probably has a "visible" ability to go along with the restriction) so there is really no point in lynching him today.

This is exactly why I'm finding him suspicious. If the PR is for the purpose of gaining an ability,

he has already failed

, at least for today, and thus has no reason to

continue

trying to earn it.

[somestrangeflea]

"Any role that wins the game like that would not be accepted."
"There could be a counter role."
"Oh yeah? Show me one that would work."
"How is this relevant? Get me back to the game!"

Uhm, not really.

The argument seemed to jump back and forth between talking about

your

role, which is unknown as of this moment, and some other

hypothetical

role which won as soon as 50% of the town bought tickets.

[somestrangeflea]

THE ONLY GOOD QFT IS ONE ON OMAN!

No-one said QFT, or anything contextually similar...

[somestrangeflea]

I'm starting to think JDodge has a post restriction that makes him have to say how much he wants to lynch me, or hes pretending it trying to mock me, or hes just being normal JDodge.

I know where my money is...

[somestrangeflea]

It's amazing, so many pages with such little worth.

True story.

I was going to switch to schism to prevent a deadline no-lynch, but that's not actually a risk, so I may as well keep my vote to let everyone know where I stand...

[somestrangeflea]

Lynch > No lynch. You know that flea.

I know.

No-Lynch currently isn't possible though.

Opinions being shown > helping prevent the very unlikely.

[somestrangeflea]

I suddenly have this warm and fuzzy feeling inside.

I'm ever so happy for you.

So, we lynched a Mafia member yesterday, and somehow, we managed to lose a Mafia member in the middle of the night, so yay for that.

We also lost Doc Senses.

As far as gameplay is concerned, I don't see any disadvantage in claiming what dead roles actually do, so, unless I'm greatly mistaken, does anyone wanna venture an explanation as to what Veteran Criminal, Mafia Scumbag or Doc Senses actually are?

[somestrangeflea]

Oh, according to the playerlist on Page 1, it would appear that TSS took Nightson with him...

[somestrangeflea]

The meeps are based on saying his name as has been figured out. Anyone that says his name can be targeted by him at night...either to be investigated or vigged. One per night...

[somestrangeflea]

DAMMIT NOCMEN.

[somestrangeflea]

I gave Twomz the yellow shirt. Out of all the people so far he struck me as the best option for a town role. Turns out I was right. Sadly it doesn't look like we will get to see what my poor yellow shirt does as someone else didn't like him. I have several more shirts to give away. I don't have any clue what they do. May I collect it off his dead carcass please MoS?

I may be reading too deeply into this, but I have a feeling that a Red Shirt, if it exists, will kill whoever wears it.

[somestrangeflea]

Alright, first things first, I'mma do something unconventional.

I want everyone's reactions to the kills.

Twomz's kill seems random.
TSS's death doesn't look like a "kill", TBH.

[somestrangeflea]

Alright, first things first, I'mma do something unconventional.

I want everyone's reactions to the kills.

Twomz's kill seems random.
TSS's death doesn't look like a "kill", TBH.

More detail on tss?

"Vanishes into the void" doesn't seem like a kill method. Look at the flavor:

You decide that he departed to keep from being discovered as mafia.

Does that sounds like an intentional kill to you? I think it was, as the flavor implies, a "suicide", or, possibly, an accidental kill caused by some other source.

[somestrangeflea]

In regards to TSS's death, I'm thinking that it was the yellow shirt, the yellow shirt of vengence.

Makes sense. Yellow implies fear, and the most scared role I can think of is a Paranoid Gun Owner...

Also, even though TSS has been revealed and everything, do you all think he's really dead?

Out of all the people dead so far, he seems most likely to "slip back out of the void".

[somestrangeflea]

No, he isn't.

[somestrangeflea]

Role info. He's not actually dead, nor is that his role. I thought it would be interesting to use the opportunity to dig for info, but it didn't work out too well.

So, we have a dead scum that's neither dead nor scum?

Intriguing...

[somestrangeflea]

Oh great I can't vote, can I?!

If you can't vote, the most feasible solution I can see is that UA jacked it. You should probably ask him...

[somestrangeflea]

@flea: I jacked who in the what now?

You have two votes and Kison doesn't have any.

Simplest explanation: You somehow took his vote.

True/False?

[somestrangeflea]

@flea: I jacked who in the what now?

You have two votes and Kison doesn't have any.

Simplest explanation: You somehow took his vote.

True/False?

VOTES DON'T COUNT.


It's kingmaker

*facepalm*

Apologies. I'm moroning again...

[somestrangeflea]

Vote: Road Runner

I made my stance on the meeps quite clear yesterday. I'm bored of it now.

[somestrangeflea]

and what are yall going to do if the meeper turns out to be town?

Be surprised, go to night, send in a choice (if appropriate) and see if I wake up the next morning.

[somestrangeflea]

The other thing that worries me is a few votes on the wagon that strike me as opportunistic.

Opportunistic voting as a scumtell doesn't really apply when votes don't put anyone any closer to a lynch. Quickly taking an opportunity to do what?

[somestrangeflea]

Earlier, I said

Upon reading through Bamboomancer's earlier posts (the posts with all the "truth"), I have some ideas to what his role may be, albeit quite indirectly...

Bamboomancer was replaced by Oman, who has just claimed.

I thought he had a role which I designed, I was wrong.

[somestrangeflea]

So Shanba, what's it going to be

Oman lynch?

Nocmen lynch?

Other lynch?

Yes, obviously.

[somestrangeflea]

In fact, I have no clue what they do.

So you are, in essence, an Inventor?

Oman, should you not have a fuckton of votes right now? Please demonstrate or die messily.

I concur. With the increased number of votes needed to lynch, it leads me to assume that there are 17/18 votes in play.

With 16 players alive,

someone's

a doublevoter...

Oman?

[somestrangeflea]

With 16 players alive, someone's a doublevoter...

wait wait wait...

fuck.

9 is a majority of 16, as MoS stated. However, there should be 17 people alive - neither tss nor I are listed in the player list, which counting it reaches 15. So we have a missing vote, or a missing player. Something doesn't add up.

Gah, my math sucks. Thought 9 was a majority of 18.

failured.

[somestrangeflea]

Cause "oh the horror" is so much less annoying than meep. :drips sarcasm:

Your sarcasm is misplaced.

[somestrangeflea]

Keeping up with this game is not easy.

Therefore, a request:
Summarise the game in a fairly short post.

Once someone's done (preferably, someone else who got prodded), we can all pick holes in it and bitch about whether or not it's actually true. Then we can bitch and pick holes in that. And so on and so forth...

[somestrangeflea]

Complete and utter hyperbole on my part, but it was based on truth. Imagine if the mafia has one-shot abilities, or if they plan a big event on a night. Now they have much greater forsight. My ability can be devastating; now, it no longer is (although I suppose implementing your strategy is pretty effective.)

So, you didn't tell us that your tickets roleblocked all the scum, because then the scum would have simply not did anything.much, and wasting it.

So it's not that your powers wouldn't work, it's that they wouldn't work

well

.

Fair enough.

Not to mention the fact that you still havent explained what you did when you targeted Shanba the night before he became king.

Thyroid targetted a single person? I would like explainings.

Then, tomorrow, I want to verify all claims to see who cannot do what they claimed tonight.

Surely scum will just... you know... lie to get out of whatever roleblocking-esque situation they may end up in.

Not paying attention means you miss important stuff out.
I designed JDodge's role, it was a scum role when I designed it, and it does pretty much what JDodge says it does.

[somestrangeflea]

SSF, what exactly does the role do?

Once the ability is used, any abilities which are normally used at night become day abilities, and vice versa.

This change is reversed either when the player chooses to, or that player dies.

The change can not be repeated once undone.

The initial switch can happen at night, but the undoing can occur at any point after this, Day or Night.

[somestrangeflea]

Due to the fact that my workload has increased to the point where playing mafia has become nigh-on impossible, I am officially getting out of all my games.

Mod: My sincerest apologies, but I will need to be replaced.