NOT BSO! He claims his action FAILED last night. Only if he is LYING would he be scum. The question is: If he IS lying, then WHO did he shoot and WHY aren't they dead?In post 9424, Creature wrote:I'd start with TWIE, who is pretty much scum.
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First, I could do Creature if needed, but I'm skeptical.In post 9436, MagnaofIllusion wrote:I’ve thought it over and Farside’s abilities don’t make any sense as someone who can actively help scum achieve their wincon. That amount of Vote Control would be tantamount the mistake Varsoon made in “XXX Mafia” where he let two scum basically quick-lynch Town over and over to win the game. He’s not making that mistake again given the flack he caught post-game there. So slotting her as playing badly and not interested in a lynch on her with the game-state as it is now. Too many Town dead.
Which means RR is a very viable scum candidate via Beach-a-Palooza. Especially seeing their 9167 where they say “It doesn’t matter that their abilities don’t make sense as scum – they used it to hurt Town”. That’s a classic scape-goating argument which I would expect from scum not Town. Town understands that not lynching scum is very bad for Town. Scum want to facilitiate lynches on targets they can swing as looking like scum when they clearly aren’t.
@Almost – I know you read RR as Town but I’d like you to really dig in and think about the way RR is playing today independent of that read.
Now 2 points about the quoted:
1- My memory id failing me, but weren't you in Bloodbourne? Nahdia basically won the game for scum single handedly. Giving scum that much power is not beyond Varsoon.
2- RR is being "rational" still. Both heads are. I saw Scum!Cerb in Getsu and he wasn't as elaborate as he is here. He made some sense alright, but if you take a closer look they had no real content.. just fancy looks. Here his posts are with actual game-solving content. I can't speak of Scum!Drixx though, but both heads' play reminds me of how they both play as Town, and I have seen them both play as Town!
Oh, one more thing: because of the state of confusion I'm in I'm mostly going to play myself and my counterpart for the rest of the day (if not the rest of the game). That means I will show reasons for someone to be scum, and also show reasons why they might not be, and vice versa. Right now I'm the only "confirmed" entity living on this planet. The rest are classified as "likely and more likely to be" Town/Scum/Survivour or even a Semi-SK win-con (i.e. Last man standing).
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Well, a Fuzzy flip would likely tell us that too. i don't by that SS ended up the top voted player in that event either, so I'm not sharing RR's sentiment that it makes Fuzzy any more likely Town than Scum.In post 9436, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Of course this whole train of questionable logic revolves around the notion that Fuzzy told the truth that Snarky was the even winner
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Why the hell didn't you say that before?? So the unflipped can still communicate with you until they are flipped? THAT sounds like a VERY GOOD reason to keep some players unflipped.In post 9436, MagnaofIllusion wrote:I don’t know – maybe because you had a claimed Season Finale restricted ability that would have rendered flipping Not Chara who is doing fantatic work in the communication PT and is confirmed Town moot?
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Please ask them what they think about TWIE's action fail claim. I would very much appreciate their input on this one. Thank you.In post 9439, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Not Chara's preference for lynch today is TWIE, Shiro and Creature in approximately that order.
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Well, since that game is long done with I'd like you to point out the difference if you please.In post 9444, Creature wrote:Whoever's familiar with me knows sometimes I don't pay attention, though, they also know how to read me pretty accurately, one of these methods being comparing my game here and Wake's Role Madness.
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I'm not lynching TWIE today unless my "other head" (That's Chara) convinces me to.In post 9448, Creature wrote:Almost, what's your opinion on making farside22 use her extra votes on TWIE?
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I'm saying his actin fail makes him likely Town.In post 9471, Creature wrote:You say he could be a scum vig?
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And I meant to say something but didn't know how to do it w/o outing myself, but things have changed.In post 9490, MagnaofIllusion wrote:@Almost – I forgot to ask earlier – did your Night action bear any fruit? I would have expected to see something from you on it but have to ask.
The profile Creature has is mine, and the false one is #2. Creature did NOT perform an action last night.
As for me: The event is used up already (Joy Ride). The passive rewards you & RR already know about (of those living) but I suspect the whole scum team would also know since I allied with SC on E1.
The action you and RR also know about (but nobody else should have bc I told nobody except you two). It's a 1-shot ability though that gets refunded on Season Finale. It was used previously on McMenno showing he didn't "perform a HARMFUL action", while on Creature it says he "didn't perform ANY actions"
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I don't. I specifically said "unless he is lying to earn these specific town points". However, he does have a gun (Mastina's result on him) and he had a shot last night (unless he was blocked), so WHERE is his shot?In post 9490, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Why? I have to ask since you would have to take TWIE’s word his actions on it 100%.
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We should've thought about THAT last night :/ I could've targeted him and found out for sure.In post 9491, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Then again it is certainly within reason that he doesn't have a Vig power and made that up when the "Gunsmith guilty" came in on him as scum, correct?
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Yes, no other source but his own word. However, it was Season Finale, meaning everything that didn't work before would work still. If his ability did work before then he IS lying, yet he would still have it on Season Finale. In other words, IF HE IS LYING HE IS SCUM REGARDLESS, and it doesn'r really matter whether he has a Vig shot or not. If he is telling the truth ABOUT THE VIG SHOT SPECIFICALLY (i.e. regardless of his alignment) then he must've had a shot available to him last night. If he is scum he had no reason to forego it. If he is Town then he can't be lying about having used it.In post 9498, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Walk me through this like I'm 5 - where is the source for the bolded ... I don't recall other than his own word about that.In post 9495, Almost50 wrote:I don't. I specifically said "unless he is lying to earn these specific town points". However, he does have a gun (Mastina's result on him) andhe had a shot last night(unless he was blocked), so WHERE is his shot?
So, it all boils down to whether he IS a Vig, which I have no leads to make me believe or disbelieve, hence I'm not sure. I'm much more confident voting Fuzzy or Creature, and I have Fuzzy as my #1 preference based on the mechanics of Beachabalooza, but Creature is currently a second close with Shadow dropping to 3rd inline.
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I wanted that to stay unmentioned in case we had to make kraska claim, but it's out now. I thought the same having researched both her events names leading me to an episode about Beach City having a power outage performed by the Gems and then Mayor Dewey trying to make use of it. I believe it was called "Political Power" or "Political Influence" or something like that.In post 9501, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Chara thinks Kraska’s abilities make sense as Mayor Dewey and are very ProTown.
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In post 9502, Creature wrote:
The result was on randomidget though.In post 9494, Almost50 wrote:
And I meant to say something but didn't know how to do it w/o outing myself, but things have changed.In post 9490, MagnaofIllusion wrote:@Almost – I forgot to ask earlier – did your Night action bear any fruit? I would have expected to see something from you on it but have to ask.
The profile Creature has is mine, and the false one is #2. Creature did NOT perform an action last night.
As for me: The event is used up already (Joy Ride). The passive rewards you & RR already know about (of those living) but I suspect the whole scum team would also know since I allied with SC on E1.
The action you and RR also know about (but nobody else should have bc I told nobody except you two). It's a 1-shot ability though that gets refunded on Season Finale. It was used previously on McMenno showing he didn't "perform a HARMFUL action", while on Creature it says he "didn't perform ANY actions"
Was it? OK.. we'll have random confirm or deny (without giving details). If this result does NOT apply to him then you are getting lynched for sure.
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Please confirm if you have THREE of these abilities (and the 4th is FALSE):
1- An EVENT requiring +1 stress or higher.
2- NK-proof
3- "Passive" rewards are granted to whomever allies.
4- An investigation action telling you about other players night actions.
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KK..In post 9510, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Having taken a look at Random's Role PM this clearly is a lie since only 2 of the 4 apply.In post 9502, Creature wrote:The result was on randomidget though.
Can we lynch this with fire already?
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I'd also like Creature to explain why he "no actioned" on SEASON FINALE!
P-edit: OH! OK.. but still, why no action on Season Finale?
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Fine!In post 9528, Creature wrote:What can I get from four pieces of info in which only 1 is correct?
OK, I guess I'll sheep NC on this one then, and killing Titus does make sense, but before I do cast a vote on TWIEI would want anyone who DID target farside last night to say they did (no need to mention the exact action, just that you did target her).
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Hold on.. WHAT?? So randomidget NEVER ALLIED with ANYONE for THE WHOLE GAME?? I had him allied with YOU on E1 and with SHIRO on E2, but that can't be true if your quoted statements are accurate.In post 9536, Creature wrote:Night 1: Blog post and tried to ally with Shiro.
Night 2: Blog post and allied with SnarkySnowman.
And how come SHIRO never cared to correct mine and Titus' tables either? I mean, I get that Creature and SS (and random to a lesser extent) do not read the thread properly, but SHIRO??
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So, I take it that your scum read on TWIE is locked?In post 9547, kraskaesque wrote:well i still think the other scum is shadow and not creature
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??? Pregame had no active alliances! It would have required a (pre-)pregame phase for you to have picked an ally in pregame.In post 9562, Creature wrote:No, I allied with randomidget on Pregame but the alliance was open during Day 1 and Night 1.
So, what you're saying is your alliance with random was during pregame and ended with the start of episode 1, then on E1 you were allied with Snarky, then you allied with Shiro on E2, then allied with Snarky AGAIN on E3 (even after you KNEW he was a passive roleblocker), then you allied with Xf+Shadow on E4, then you submitted a request to ally with grapes for E5 which didn't work so you're not allied today.
VOTE: Creature
I also find it highly unlikely the mod would edit your blog to include "incorrect info" as this would be the mod directly lying to us. I could see him redacting certain parts, but "to make private info incorrect." as you put it in 9520 is a bit stretching it.
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Hmmm .. so if Creature flips town it means we had as many "bad town" alive as there are scum left. So, if I end up suffering form ulcers, a heart attack or permanent brain damage you guys know why and who to blame it on!
OK, let me try for one more time.. ONE MORE TIME.. how .. did you .. get .. a RESULT .. when you .. were allied ... with a ROLEBLOCKER... whose ability only worked PASSIVELY on his allies??
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^^Obviously @ Creature
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So, your "result" had the name of randomidget EXPLICITLY mentioned in it, and you still suggested it could've been a redirect????????In post 9586, Creature wrote:idk, just to make sure, this is what I received (can't copy-paste):
randomidget has an event that can be triggered at 1 or + stress.
randomidget is selectively nightkill immune.
randomidget can secretly offer rewards to his allies.
randomidget can discover info on other player's actions.
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No. Mod will always put it as "Your Target" as opposed to explicitly mentioning the name of your target. "You target" is NOT them telling you a lie, thus not bastard modding. Mentioning the name of your intended target when you have been redirected to someone else is an OUTRIGHT LIE ==>> Bastard modding.In post 9603, Creature wrote:
Would Varsoon put someone else's name so I know whether I was redirected or not?In post 9598, Almost50 wrote:
So, your "result" had the name of randomidget EXPLICITLY mentioned in it, and you still suggested it could've been a redirect????????In post 9586, Creature wrote:idk, just to make sure, this is what I received (can't copy-paste):
randomidget has an event that can be triggered at 1 or + stress.
randomidget is selectively nightkill immune.
randomidget can secretly offer rewards to his allies.
randomidget can discover info on other player's actions.
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Geez, man! You're arguing principles now?? The mod CONFIRMING Titus makes her TOWN. The mod did NOT confirm you like AT ALL. He only gave you a fake-claim that works. He gave you access to a blog which -for all we know- could've been hacked by the devil himself. I mean, if -hypothetically speaking- I hacked into your MS account it doesn't make ME the player named Creature. It only makes me able to PRETEND to be Creature. Now if the site Super Mods (or whatever they call them) came to us and confirmed that whoever is using your account is really you then that's different and your identity is confirmed, and I really don't care how they'd do it (via IP confirmation, or by contacting your home address or them having the FBI investigate you.. that's not my problem.)In post 9604, Creature wrote:
Same can be said about Titus confirming herself as town could easily be a scum ability that matches her fakeclaim.In post 9596, MagnaofIllusion wrote:If Connie-fake claim can actually be scum (which you point out that people bought) then why does Creature think his blog whatever confirms him as town and couldn't just as easily be a scum ability that matches his fake-claim?
Every single SCUM player had their events named to match their FAKE CLAIM. Otherwise, once an event is activated we would be able to tell if the player behind it is scum already!!
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@MoI / @Chara:
farside is very likely scum for her style of arguing back and forth in every chance she has. Look at how it went with Titus, and she blamed Titus. FINE. Titus is gone, and she found another target to continue the same attitude in RR.
It makes perfect sense to me that farside had planned ahead and joined the scum AFTER the Beachabalooza voting (around the same time Xk joined the CGs) thus had no need for anyone to cover for her. That or -less likely- she used her voting ability to cover up for herself.
She's also posting way too much 9about 10% of the thread posts are by farside alone) and is deliberately wall-quoting to make it absolutely hard for anyone to try and ISO her.
But I have yet another "weird" method I had tried to apply to catch scum, and that is to reference the SIRCAKEZ readlist(s) and progression, but before that I'd like to point out Cakez did defend farside in #934 which MoI already quoted parts of, and I don't see how this post implicates Creature yet vendicates far!!
Now let's move on to THIS:
In post 943, SirCakez wrote: Town: Fire, Not Chara, mastin, grapes, farside
Nulltown: Yume, Creature, Klingon, A50, CoolDog
Null: Kraskaesque, KTS, Foxbird, Skybird, Seraphim, Random, TWIE, Shiro, DGB
Nullscum: Xkfyu, Snarky
Scum: Mcmenno, Obi
Unreadable: RRIn post 1403, SirCakez wrote: Town: Fire, mastin, grapes, farside, Yume
Nulltown: Creature, Klingon, A50, Seraphim
Null: Kraskaesque, KTS, Foxbird, Skybird, Seraphim, Random, TWIE, Shiro, DGB, NC, CoolDog
Nullscum: Xkfyu, Snarky
Scum: McMenno, ObiIn post 2335, SirCakez wrote: Town: Fire, mastin, farside, Yume
Nulltown: Creature, A50, Seraphim, NC, grapes, Seraphim
Null: Kraskaesque, KTS, Skybird, Random, TWIE, DGB, CoolDog, Klingon
Nullscum: Xkfyu, Snarky, Shiro, Foxbird
Scum: McMenno, Obi, Reasonably Rational
There is one townread I have that might be wrong, but I'm still thinking it over.
The progression of these 4 readlists clearly show Cakez wanted to move his buddies up the list gradually, while maintaining "one town read might be wrong" just in case one got flipped.In post 2340, SirCakez wrote: Town: Fire, mastin, farside, Yume
Nulltown: Creature, A50, Seraphim, NC, grapes, Seraphim, Kraskaesque,
Null: KTS, Skybird, Random, TWIE, DGB, Snarky
Nullscum: Shiro, Foxbird, CoolDog, Klingon
Scum: McMenno, Obi, Reasonably Rational, Xkfyu
This -to me- reads the scum team consisted of: farside (for sure), Creature/Fuzzy (one or both), Sky/TWIE (Sky already flipped and TWIE is only Scum if either Creature or Fuzzy flips Town).
So, farside has now moved to the very top of my lynch pile. Creaure is her second, Fuzzy comes third, followed by TWIE if the game hasn't ended by then.
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Not really. I'm town reading Shiro for the REACTION when he realized he had been wrong about his early scum read on me. He could've kept pushing or at least put me in the null pile. I'm not exactly unlynchable you know (unlike you)In post 9646, Reasonably Rational wrote:A50s (flavor based) reason for clearing shiro was wrong. Idk how he feels about him now.
And @ Mastina:
With all due respect, you already had it your way with Snarky and were proven wrong. Can you please let us have it someone else's way this time around, for the good sportsmanship spirit and all??
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And by that I mean, Titus wanted farside lynched. RR wants her lynched. I want her lynched. I'm sure there are/have been a couple more at least who would rather see her flip, and besides she's never going to be cleared so the sooner we eliminate her the better.. before we are close enough to LyLo and start gambling. If she flips town I promise to vote with you on whomever you wish tomorrow.
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Hey everybody: Vote farside. She's as manipulative as Hilary and as bad as Trump (but she probably has a better haircut, so there's that.)
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Actually, Fuzzy .. I don't care who you are (flavour) as much as I care about your ROLE.
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@grapes:
1- TWIE did not shoot you. Skybird did.
2- Fuzzy controlled the lynch of the anonymous voting lynch event. He did reveal it was his event and he had the choice to lynch the top voted player.
3- I still town read Shiro, but I was asking for additional confirmation since Shiro was allied with both RR & Titus at the time, thus may have said something that wasn't mentioned in the main thread.
That's as far as I got with your revision posts. I'll respond more if I find something that needs a response.
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This one is also a great bother to me. In the show it should be Historical FIn post 9690, Shadow_step wrote:Read the effects of the Historical fiction event which occurred at day start yesterday.iction. I'm wondering if changing the name to something that rhymes was only done for convenience (since the event is about telling our previous actions) or it should also be indicative of a deceitful in-game role.R
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Farside scum requiring "the other two" to cover for her is more accurate. We agree that one had to cover for Sky leaving three, and farside should be one of them 3In post 9713, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Farside scum requires 2 scum covering for her, leaving 1 scum free to cover elsewhere or just not vote the Top 3.
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I love how farside (my #1 suspect), Creature (my #2 suspect) and Fuzzy (my #3 suspect) are all voting TWIE (my #4 suspect). Yeah.. totally comfortable NOT joining that wagon.
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Nope. I concede that it's an either/or. Only if farside started the game as scum would that SC read list analysis make any sense.In post 9751, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Agreed.In post 9747, Almost50 wrote:Farside scum requiring "the other two" to cover for her is more accurate. We agree that one had to cover for Sky leaving three, and farside should be one of them 3
Have anything to say about your SirCakez readlist and Farside as I pointed out?
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LOL.. they're trying to solve the game "behind the curtains" (i.e. in PTs), just like Titus, Mastina and even you guys are. You see, each and everyone of these names (Titus.Mastina/RR/CGs) knew things others didn't and opted to keep them secrets and/or share them only with certain individuals.In post 9754, MagnaofIllusion wrote:@Almost - see this is exactly why our discussion on why you are reading RR as Town falls flat for me. Because everything I see in the thread is not "Trying to solve the game" it's trying to strong-arm the game with questionable logic and posts like this.
Let me elaborate: Just assume -for the sake of argument- that this game was NOT flavoured, and you kept flips from being publicly announced without providing an explanation. Now, how do you think I would feel about the CGs (erm, which won't be even called that since there'd be no flavour)? I sure would have suspected you all for that and screamed that it was extremely anti-town, precisely because I'm TOWN .. and I'm being kept in the dark.
The thing is I do take flavour into account, and yet I'm not an expert in modding (thus not assuming too many trickery flavourwise.. just the obvious), so I have always assumed the CGs are TOWN and thus whatever they were doing that I didn't like must've had a good reason behind it that I'm just not entitled to know about just yet.
The same thing with -say- Mastina and Titus in early game when they kept saying X was town for (reasons) and never told us what these reasons were at the time, and I was frustrated but had to wait another phase or two in hopes something will be revealed or explained. I knew they're both town but I also know town can be wrong (and God knows I'm a master in that field).
Suffice it to say I fully understand the RR slot reasoning behind this behaviour (although I certainly do NOT agree with their conclusion and tend to believe the Gems are Town and have a logical reason behind my belief that is -also- very much tied to the flavour).
Also, I don't think relying totally on meta reads and/or disregarding anti-town behaviour for whatever reasons is healthy for the game play. If you're town and you act extremely and repeatedly in a way that is deemed detrimental to town you should get lynched, and if the town loses you get all the blame too.
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Except she could not have stacked her votes early in the game since she first needed to gain the points for it. If I didn't pick her for Joy Ride -for instance- she would not have gained the points from destroying it. If Nobody targeted her at night she would not gain points from that either. She probably got lucky with me picking her for an event that resulted in an alliance on E1 (and as far as I can remember it was the ONLY event that resulted in an "alliance") that allowed her to gain points so early into the game and build on it.In post 9758, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Then, to quote the Princess Bride, we are an an impasse.In post 9755, Almost50 wrote:Nope. I concede that it's an either/or. Only if farside started the game as scum would that SC read list analysis make any sense.
I don't think there is any way Varsoon gave a role that started the game as scum the ability to stack that many votes given the other strong Events we have seen from scum combined with Skybird having a Double Vote and DGB effectively controlling two votes. Thus I don't think there is any way you can reasonably conclude that farside is group scum from the start of the game.
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I'll bite. You see, I do believe you have a point system that works towards "something". What I don't believe is there to be a town role that can opt to switch to an alternate 3P win-con and pull out of the game. I would've been more inclined to believe you if you said you were 3P and had the option to join town (or even join EITHER town or scum).In post 9766, farside22 wrote:The thing I find funny is certain players are calling me scum but believe my claim about points.
Or how my vote works.
Someone can tell me how that makes sense.
As for how the votes work, I'm not even sure I do believe you. You said up to half the lynch threshold INCLUDING your original vote, but SS was lynched with 3 votes + 5 of yours, so that's half the threshold NOT COUNTING your original vote, and that's for starters.
i would have also bought your claim if you hadn't been acting anti-town since the word go. There was absolutely no reason for you to destroy a town event just to gain points towards whatever your win-con is. You could've done it much more subtly and no one would've noticed or got suspicious, but from that point on you kept getting scummier and scummier.
Your arguing with Titus seems like someone who just wants to argue for the sake of arguing, and is one of the worst 1-on-1 duels I've ever seen, and I would've wanted to vote you off just to STOP that insanity.
However, Titus got killed and -theoretically speaking- all should've calmed down, but -instead- you found another target to shitpost about and get the same nonsense going in RR. If I was in your shoes and I was town still I would've probably kept my mouth shut just to let the people enjoy the game, but you're not only acting anti-town, but also anti-game-spirit. That's anti-social.. anti-sportsmanship.. anti-ANYTHING that makes the game of Mafia a fun game to begin with.
So, you see.. it's absolutely nothing personal (although it is now!), but you can never convince me that you and I have been on the same side all along or that you have been playing for the same win-con that I have been, which is to eliminate all threats to Earth.
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1- So, you do confess to having pursued your 3P win-con from the word go. Now what guarantees you will now be working towards anything but?
2- Titus flipped TOWN though, and tunneling 3P whose win-con doesn't even consider the town's own is -in fact- THE pro-town move.
3- A case of the A calling the E a vowel?? (I needed to improvise on something new)
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You know I almost never use profanities but this post borders on tantalizing so much that I'm tempted to call you names!!In post 9797, Creature wrote:The only way I am getting lynched is if farside22 uses all her extra votes on me.
Nah.. not gonna gonna do that. I'm just going to..
VOTE: Creature
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No refund on Season Finale??In post 9798, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
He did until right before deadline last Night. His post in the gem PT was basically "How have we missed that my Trap for Clods was one-shot"?In post 9795, Reasonably Rational wrote:MoI: did I miss something about xks event that allowed him to use it more than once?
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@Shiro / @grapes:
Which one of you guys wants to ally with me?
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It's 7 for the lynch. Both Creature & TWIE are currently on 3, so far can decide to use her own vote + 3 additional votes from her points vault to hammer either.
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FTR: I will submit Shiro for an ally UNLESS grapes responds first OR Shiro doesn't want to ally with me.
P.S. I could also ally with random, but only if MoI sees fit and beneficial.
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OK, so grapes is with RR and Shiro is with me.
That leaves TWIE/Creature/random/MoI/far/kraska/mastina/Fuzzy/Shadow
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Make up your mind.In post 9831, grapes wrote:Almost, let's ally.
OK... it's me & grapes then (based on MoI's recommendation). Everyone else should really get it organized in case the day ends at any given moment.
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And it took you all this time to figure this out?? Mate, you're either scum to the bone or just bad to the core of your soul.In post 9837, Creature wrote:Also, my action succeeding when Snarky was supposed to roleblock me should also tell something, I don't think the mod would hide the fact I'm roleblock immune.
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Ooops! Sorry, V.
I never pay attention to pagetops.
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First, your statement is untrue, or at least inaccurate.In post 9877, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:@ Almost....
can you explain why you were off both scum lynch and on the two town lynch.
Now let's see:
D1: I didn't vote SC but I was on far. Her destroying my event made me scum read her more than anyone else.
D2: I don't even feel the need to justify a vote on Mathblade with that kind of play.
D3: (First round) I was voting farside when she reset the counter, and was precisely waiting to hammer her in case she benefited from hammering herself.
D3: (Second round) I ended the day voting farside. DGB was a traitor anyway, so you can't use that as a "not being on scum".
D4: (and this is where you went astray) it was a mislynch on Snarky and I wasn't on it.
Now my turn:
Can you explain why you didn't vote on D2/D4? You were not on the SirCakez lynch either, and -to top it all- you haven't voted in Beach-a-balooza.
You want more? I'll give you more:
In 3883 you voted Obi (Titus). In 3913 you question my town read on Titus & Yume, while -at the same time- refusing to give a case on Titus (whom you had voted) and open the way for a backtrack on your read of the slot.
In posts 4187 & 4226 you try to indirectly defend DGB, once by playing down the priority of her lynch and another by portraying her role as Saulus, and in 4434 you stated you would lynck KC over DGB (which you retracted 3 posts later then yet 2 posts later questioned the reason why you had to retract the KC lynch suggestion in the first place).
In 4498 you're back to trying to protect DGB in any way you can.
Now let me quote this gem:
DGB has already flipped scum, so why am still in your suspects list when farside is not?In post 6381, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Right now I am looking at
Firebringer, Almost, Farside, DGB
These are the people who did not vote cake but was on the Math lynch wagon.I think it is possible thatoneis scum.
6392 reasserts you think ONLY ONE SCUM is on that list.
Then this:
In post 7004, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:I don't think sky is scum but she might be third party,
if Far is 3d party how would lynching her help further the game for town ?
You're defending both Sky & farside in the same manner you did DGB.In post 7011, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Actually I think Far is a survivor more than a third party
with al the weird mechanics such as all the ascetics in the game and possible two millers I think its possible to there is a third party and a survivor in the game,
I guess the question is Far faking the claim
More passive defense of scum.In post 7036, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:I am not going to vote Sky. I just don't see that post to be enough for cause to lynch
You have to give me a good reason plus I am pretty sure Sky is either town or third party
and you gave zero reason for me to vote Shadow
And this one is one reason why I'm not too hot on a Shadow.In post 7050, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:I will consider a Shadow lynch but a sky lynch is off the table right now
However, this confused me even more:
I won't comment on it, but I will comment on the followingIn post 8344, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:MoI why is Farside more lynch worthy than DGB??????
Now the number of times you called far a 3P survivour is astonishing. What's even more surprising is she never got upset with you calling her that, when she does get extremely aggressive to people like Titus or RR suggesting anything remotely similar.In post 8193, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:I think Farside is a third player survivor. Not sure how lynching her at this point is going to help.team
I'm tired of reading your ISO, so I 'll skim the rest of it.
In post 8408, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:RR
I would say no on that idea......bc voting is more important than intent to vote.
Opposing RR's idea which was intended to prevent exactly what happened with the SC lynch, then faking emotions over the loss of Yume.In post 8485, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:yeah Yumi seemed almost unkillable except through this event,,,,,,,,Yeah Yumi death is a huge setback for the town
This is a blatant lie and considering how many times you yourself have stepped to defend DGB I find it highly unlikely this was an innocent mistake.In post 8698, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:actually no one was even looking at DGB until Nc brought up her points,
And this one makes me think both Creature & TWIE might be town after all. My lynch pool is now:In post 9435, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Yeah and Grapes is prob town which leaves
Almost MOI Creature Random and TWIE
farside > Fuzzy > anyone else.
Now where is that vote button...
VOTE: farside
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@kraska:
I wouldn't have the slightest idea why he claimed it, and if I tried to guess I'd be aimlessly shooting in the dark. HOWEVER, why NOT lynching Snarky via the event is because the day would've continued normally (as mentioned in the event triggering post by Varsoon0, thus it could've put THEM on the axe. The result as he claimed it (if truthful) gave the scum comfort that the day will end in a Snarky lynch. Consider it a gauge of consensus in other words that told them what to do next.
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UNVOTE:
Fine. Since we're going in circles and everyone wants to have it their own way I'm declaring intent to hammer on anything that moves (including myself). Let's get this game finished and done with.
He is not scum. Sher is not scum. They are not scum. So WHO is??
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I did. The question is why isn't he being voted then? I'm sure the town still has the majority, so it doesn't make sense for you to lay down such a strong case + Creature playing so poor and yet not garnering enough votes.In post 9900, MagnaofIllusion wrote:
Um I've laid out a pretty involved case on Creature beyond all the action information from today. Did you read it? I think it is pretty compelling as far as pointing out the distancing Creature did with both SirCakez and Skybird.In post 9897, Almost50 wrote:He is not scum. Sher is not scum. They are not scum. So WHO is??
VOTE: Creature
There! We need one more vote still for farside to be able hammer. Where the freak is random?
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Creature is a bit scummier than TWIE to me. Both could be scum though.In post 9901, farside22 wrote:Creature or twie, which one if either do you think is scum?
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Add skullduggery and you have my top 4 mods!In post 9905, Reasonably Rational wrote:(those mods would be Varsoon, dramonic, and mastin).
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Last I checked you're not even voting him though!!In post 9907, Randomnamechange wrote:I'm with MoI here, Creature is pretty obv scum
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No, bc one of them is already her vote, so effectively you only have 2 votes on you.In post 9916, Creature wrote:Well, I already have 3 votes, so farside22 should be able to hammer me.
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They ARE limited. Up to half the lynch threshold +1
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So far only 2 pairs are announced:
Almost+grapes
MoI+randomidget
Shiro, TWIE, RR, fuzzylogic, Creature, Kraska, mastina, Shadow_Step & Farside are not announced.
@RR (Drixx)
Not today, I don't think. Unless you think we're lynching town AND Chara's flip is being revealed before the end of the day.
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I honestly don't know how to respond to that, nor do I have anything to conclude from it. Your play has been puzzling, yes, but some people maintain this IS your town play still. Your event is NAI (both effect and name) and your character isn't exactly one that "must be in the show" (even Connie turned out to be a fake claim, mind you).In post 9960, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:@Almost
I not sure you are scum or town and I'm trying to figure that out. I am not sure if you are town and have just been tunneling Far or scum and acting like you tunneling Far to stay off of scum. With y play being just plain awlful in so many ways I am not helping myself
in trying to figure things out. My working theory is that Scum avoided the SC lynch and jumped on the first far lynch,So far however my theories have been 0 for 100 . Yeah as I said my play has beem just bad.
One of the reasons I'm "not comfortable town reading you" is your numerous "3P who can win with town" statements. You used it often with Sky and then with far, and I don't believe such alignment exists in this game.
First things first, calling the Gems "3P" is plain WRONG. They're a "secondary TOWN faction". Town can win with or without them, but they can't win without the MAIN town faction, so they're TOWN, but just a secondary group.
Xk was 3P (leftovers) who could win with EITHER SIDE (Survivour) but had the option of joining the Gems which he did. He claimed his role (character and abilities) to me when we were allied on Episode 2, and from then on I assumed there would be no "3P who could win with town". Still the possibility of a "counter-role" to his was at least fair (i.e. another leftover survivour who could opt to join the dark side). Either that of Xk himself had the option to join EITHER sides (which is not what he told me).
As for me, I guess I can't help you there. You'd just have to figure things out on your own. Scum may have avoided the SC wagon, but the opposite can't be true (i.e. not everyone who was not on that wagon is scum.). I simply have a poor record reading Cakez (yet a very good winning rate "against" him)
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Hubba Hubba!! PRE-IN ME!In post 9966, Reasonably Rational wrote:Drixx is working on a game with Varsoon's help
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