New Year's Eve Masquerade Ball - [Game Over]

[Parama]

I can't even

[Parama]

What the hell have you ever

EVER

Played mafia before????

[Parama]

"there are three competing wagons that people think contain scum. let's lynch outside of them for no good reason whatsoever"

[Parama]

like you realize

It's a general consensus thing?

You know, the way mafia is played?

[Parama]

what the hell does LAMIST mean by the way

[Parama]

like do you realize splitting our options further is a great way to not ever come to any sort of agreement and thus hand the game over the mafia?

[Parama]

like do you realize splitting our options further is a great way to not ever come to any sort of agreement and thus hand the game over the mafia?

How would we be handing the game over to mafia? We have like 4 days or something, and then another 8 after that.

I mean if this mindset persists

All it does is drive apathy

HS has said in the PT that she's having trouble caring about this game and I've been feeling the same

Scum loooove games where every lynch takes an eternity because people stop caring and mislynches get easy to drive

I also vastly disagree with the notion that not lynching before ntermission is good and a big reason is the apathy

Another is that we lose a town/town pair who would be able to provide their thoughts on the flip we do have if we lynch

I'd post more if I wasn't on phone tbh but it's just a baaaad bad idea that will very likely kill a lot of players' interest in the game

[Parama]

And yes I am very personally frustrated that no lynch has happened yet. I feel like it's impossible to progress in the game without information from flips at this point and the way that gamma and cerb are trying to keep a lynch from happening at all costs is just maddening

pedit: if anyone wants to talk about scum slips gamma just implied he knows there are 2 male scum btw, information that townies shouldn't have

[Parama]

@Gamma that was before mod had clarified and HS was under the impression the setup was the same as the last large dance game (because the mod had said so but had been vague about it)

Whereas now the mod has said it could be either way and yet you seem to reflexively think there are 2 scum gents and one scum lady in spite of that

Context means a lot.

[Parama]

...I just said why that's not a slip

Lynching solely based on information and not reads is hilariously bad btw

[Parama]

I'm too mad at this game I'm not reading anything until I get home

[Parama]

The_Jester - MiniDeathStar
Ser Arthur Dayne - inspectorscout
mhsmith0 - pieguyn

These are the pairs I'm officially marking for death.

why you do this Nahdia. I specifically asked you to not influence any more than necessary.

holy christ this is so awful

why should the mod confirmed townie's influence be limited? why are you trying to do this??? there is literally no protown reason for this?????

I'm really well and truly done I don't have the patience rn to deal with this disaster zone

[Parama]

@everyone:

If Jester and I are both town, who do you think is the scum?

at the point of you posting this i would've said two of shadow/gamma/sad, and from the ladies, i guess, one of pieguy/kagami? i am having a lot harder of a time reading the ladies than the gentlemen atm. and i honestly don't think either of you/jester are likely scum atm either though it's not my towniest pair either

[Parama]

Also parama is town, don't ask me why though :^)

why am i town

[Parama]

as far as i can tell:

nothing of interest happened while i slept.

reading what i missed overnight more carefully:
yeah i was absolutely right there's not even anything worth commenting on there.
just a lot of redundant clutter.

[Parama]

Bdcause then, if she's WRONG scum( amd town) can just sheep her without any accountability, that's why.

If she's SURE on something she should push it hard, sure, but if youre not SURE, then it helps scum hide.

god, you're treating everyone like stupid babies who can't think for themselves.

if scum blindly sheep, i'll notice, other people will notice, we have enough competent players in this game that it will absolutely get noticed if scum try and do this

and we also get the reads of living, mod-confirmed townie, which is always a net positive

@nahdia: please ignore cerberus and be as open with your reads and thoughts as possible

[Parama]

This is gonna sound super hypocritical, but Parama 2049 seriously like idk what you want when you only have 1 place you're pressuring, and even that you said "might actually be town".

tbh he made a small few posts that were decent and he didn't make sense with gamma-scum but since gamma-scum is gamma-town that second point is irrelevant. my scumread hasn't gone anywhere.

[Parama]

...goddammit i just realized they're all paired up too.
kill me before lylo tbh i don't want to have to sort this mess

[Parama]

^wow half my post disappeared there

thank god for the back button:
it's incredibly frustrating that i'm having trouble sorting 4 of the players alive in this game. @kagami, mhsmith, dunn, pieguy please do something townie or do something obvscum will be appreciated.

[Parama]

anyways yeah i haven't been given a compelling reason to change from this vote
VOTE: Shadow

[Parama]

@everyone:

If Jester and I are both town, who do you think is the scum?

at the point of you posting this i would've said two of shadow/gamma/sad, and from the ladies, i guess, one of pieguy/kagami? i am having a lot harder of a time reading the ladies than the gentlemen atm. and i honestly don't think either of you/jester are likely scum atm either though it's not my towniest pair either

Why are you specifically splitting up the scum pools between gentlemen and ladies, and why in such specific numbers?

that's just where my reads are. at that point i had like 4 scumreads on dudes and no strong scumreads on ladies lol

[Parama]

i continue to fail to understand how anyone could scumread HS

at least this was a pretty quiet night no 10 pages to wake up to

[Parama]

shadow has done way more than just the scumslip mds. i've been pointing it out. he's never really gotten better or less scummy to any extent

if maria had just chosen sick instead of shadow like a smart person we wouldn't even have to have this discussion, sigh

[Parama]

it's frustrating when people miss the scum right in front of them, yeah

[Parama]

sTOP

[Parama]

I want to have 2 flips and at least 1 lynch wagon to go over in my PT during intermission tbh and NL runs counterproductive to that

We really don't gain anything from NLing either

[Parama]

I want to have 2 flips and at least 1 lynch wagon to go over in my PT during intermission tbh and NL runs counterproductive to that

We really don't gain anything from NLing either

Why only in your PT and not analyze the lynch wagon/flips on thread?

??? because the thread is going to be locked during intermission ???

or at least that's the impression I've got its just gonna be like a night phase

[Parama]

like I specifically said during intermission for a reason

and then I can post it in thread after intermission if I'm still alive

[Parama]

@someone who played the last large dance game is the thread locked during intermission

[Parama]

i've decided that kagami needs death, probably my #1 pick for scumlady atm

[Parama]

i am increeedibly uncomfortable with the number of people insinuating maria-shadow is a scum-scum pair because at that point it looks like scum trying to push a mislynch

i really don't know anymore tbh, this is a disaster of a game
UNVOTE: for now let me finish catching up and i'll probably put this down

i'll eat a 10-gallon hat if scum paired up, especially in this setup

[Parama]

and of course it's SAD who's the one who did this (2427) and i already scumread him so that just makes it all the more worrisome

[Parama]

I think I've even seen posts where they say "wow this post is really towny shadow" *keeps vote on*

one or two townish posts does not invalidate a heaping pile of scumtells

i know i say this right after i unvote but shut up the point stands

[Parama]

i still have a strong scumread on shadow but the vote movement and all has me worried

hs being one of the people to try the maria/shadow both scum thing especially worries me because i have her at "we're literally masons rn" levels of towniness but it is really eeeugh
i think it might just be her being dumb though but i know gamma did the same thing (lol no rips here tbh)
i'll need to go over who else did it

maybe i'm overreacting just because sadboy did it but it's still bothering me a lot even if it's just him

[Parama]

I don't think he's ever given a specific reason

8|

@Shadow: why is maria town

[Parama]

I'm pretty sure if scum don't boot Cerberus they'll autolose. Literally all we need to win the game is *one* pair that we all agree is town-town, then lynch everyone else.

i mean, the wifom is incredibly juicy though

[Parama]

What's the point to keep repeating that Kagami is scum with mhsmith when literally nobody is having a word of it?

gross post

let people have their scumreads even if you don't agree with it

this just looks like a discredit attempt
good chance one of those is scum if MDS is scum, just for future reference

[Parama]

Sir
jest
human
====
inspectorscout
Kagami
Pie
for me atm

your top scumpicks in both category are paired together

wondering why your vote isn't there atm

[Parama]

there's a number of HS's reads i quite disagree with tbh, I don't get the SAD townread at all and she has a scumread on Cerb too for some reason (he's decently town imo)

[Parama]

okay is it just me or is MDS really AtE'ing a hell of a lot

[Parama]

VOTE: HS/para
there is no way your reads are THAT bad

^your most recent vote

[Parama]

i think i'll entertain that too tbh
VOTE: Arthur Inspector

[Parama]

What's wrong with AtE'ing? I always AtE. I AtE irl all the time, it usually gets me what I want. :<

Seriously though, I'm just frustrated of having to repeat myself. I genuinely want to leave, the only thing stopping me is knowing how everyone (and esp. Jester) would skin me alive post-game for it.

do you want to leave because you think jester is scum or do you want to leave because of people scumreading you

i get the impression the answer is the latter and if that's the case,

stop

(you probably shouldn't leave in the former case either tbh, just drive a lynch on yourself if need be)

[Parama]

that's not the ladder, this is the ladder



i'm going to sleep now i'm making bad posts again

[Parama]

honestly

a part of it might be that there are so many posts in this game nobody wants to read them all

i've tried to keep up to date with everything but there are still some posts i've just skimmed (longer ones especially)

[Parama]

good morning, I see I again missed nothing of value

@pieguy you can take her tbh i'm aro

mds's AtE is really annoying

[Parama]

Kagami you are going about asking a lot of people a lot of different things but I see very little from you in terms of actually taking stances

From now on I request that you answer every question you ask yourself

[Parama]

lolmeta

[Parama]

drive a wagon on him if he's scum and give us as much info as possible

don't be vedith

[Parama]

IT STILL APPLIES I AM TOWNREADING BOTH SMITH AND KAGAMI
PLEASE READ

too lazy to read atm but just chiming in to say this is still not the correct pairing

[Parama]

i'm really checked out of this game at the moment and also completely addicted to The Witness but I'll try to get some sort of existing post up tonight

[Parama]

It was also largely the reason I was town-reading Parama but now think Shadow-Parama pair is likely.

loool

of all the shadow pushes yours looks the most fake to me tbh, i actually brought up the possibility of you bussing shadow to HS

[Parama]

catching up from like page 104 or so

i don't like mds's meta argument against mhsmith.
i don't like kagami's meta argument against jester.

but kagami's argument is like, a hundred times weaker than mds's even still

"jester's voting pattern is different from <insert completely unrelated game> so he's scum"
is what it boils down to, or that's what i'm taking from it
like. wow.

[Parama]

if 2655 can be trusted then i'm liking jester a bit more. especially re: #117. that gives off some good townvibes

[Parama]

i wish mhsmith would stop making such long posts. i have trouble focusing enough to read them tbh. i'm probably missing why people are scumreading him because i can't be bothered to read huge paragraphs of text

@someone who's voting mhsmith

can you summarize the arguments made against him and point to specific posts because i'm not really seeing the arguments myself but admittedly i may just not be reading closely enough

i am really checked out of this game atm. nightless in a large game is, it turns out, really bloody awful and i'm exhausted lol

[Parama]

i solemly swear to try and read mhsmith's posts better from now on, but only try

drive a wagon on him if he's scum and give us as much info as possible

don't be vedith

This is both true and generically obvious (whispers: setup spec and explaining how to play to win con is bad and will get you scumread for

reasons

). But given her stated suspicion, town!pie should always be voting and casing and actively pushing for my lynch, as opposed to posturing around the idea of game throwing even harder than vedith did.

okay but seriously screw off i'm trying to prevent another suicide

it should be obvious yes

but obviously it's not obvious considering we've already had vedith go and do it

I think you should keep your weird bdsm stuff in your pt

I think you should keep your weird bdsm stuff in your pt

^

One of these is likely scum, joking around the situation instead of actually engaging with it. I'd guess jester over Maria fwiw. I'm skeptical they're both scum though.

this is legitimately just, a dumb argument. some people screw around more than others and it's not alignment-indicative. if you've been paying attention to maria AT ALL this game her post here shouldn't even stand out at all. that's just. her personality & posting style.
ironically i haven't really taken jester for the funny type so far but if cracking a joke is enough to get a scumread you probably need to evaluate the kind of tells you're using, if you truly believe them

[Parama]

dunn's making a meta argument against smith now too.

lol

[Parama]

okay 2711 is just genuinely hilarious

[Parama]

Remember when I said HS could be town?

Yeah uh no.

how bad do you have to be that thinking one person hard-defending someone they townread that other people & yourself scumread them suddenly the person defending them scum

hint:
scum-scum interactions almost never work that way
the hardest defenses of scum i've ever seen came from town. heck i've hard-defended scum before as town lol

and even then, you don't -know- mhsmith is scum either way, unless you're scum yourself

i honest to god am tempted to go make a long "HS is town" masterpost because the slot is screamingly town to me for reasons both in-thread and in the PT and I'll hard defend her slot to the end of the game if I have to

[Parama]

unsure:
{dunn,

Good chance of hs being scum

[Parama]

I actually agree with this, I think if HS is scum shadow-maria is town.

am i the only one seeing this????
he's setting up a scenario where our pair is his next target after shadow+maria flips

i'm somehow scum if shadow's scum
hs is somehow scum if the pair is town

[Parama]

VOTE: the mafia

do i win

[Parama]

i'm gonna run a bastard mod game someday where nobody will be given scum role PMs and the town has to figure out that they have to vote The Mafia to win

[Parama]

i played a game where there were like 6 serial killers once

[Parama]

Your pair is hard tunneled on shadow/mariaR.

hi, meet me, the guy who currently wants to lynch sad

"Lynching someone to clear things up" is the same awful move gamma wanted to make lol

[Parama]

dunn suddenly got really awful is nobody going to comment on that?

dunn to hs looks like, to me:
>you don't townread me
>you townread smith
>both of your pair is tunneling shadow (not even true atm)
>therefore you are scum

explain how this makes any sense at all

[Parama]

i will admit that the way shadow has basically vanished after the pressure disappeared from him is really bothersome

[Parama]

Not flipping scum. Vote Kagami/Dunn

No I've said a million times I want a shadow pair flip so I can work from there.

If he flips scum I think much less likely you're scum as the competing wagon.

What happens when I flip town?
Will you accept you are horrible at mafia if you are town?

haha okay screw off
VOTE: Shadow

you pop out of dormancy just to chastise other players for playing badly

when you're literally not playing???

these two posts contribute nothing to the game except to go "ohai i'm not scum you suck if you think i'm scum" which is just

a literal nothing

[Parama]

i honestly don't scumread either of you rn

not like perfect strong town reads or anything but there are better lynches

[Parama]

i honestly don't scumread either of you rn

not like perfect strong town reads or anything but there are better lynches

Whis "either of you" here?

mds + jester, was replying to the post directly above mine

[Parama]

yeah HS is staying in my pocket sorry smith

[Parama]

btw i have nothing to add to this game at the moment, uhh, lynch shadow, lynch sadboy, lynch kagami i guess i dunno hopefully i'll be dead by then

[Parama]

[Parama]

then help me lynch S_S and after he flips scum you'll feel better

[Parama]

i'm not lynching jester/mds

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It's got a bit of a kick.


That is one nectar collector!


- Ever see pollination up close?
- No, sir.


I pick up some pollen here, sprinkle it
over here. Maybe a dash over there,


a pinch on that one.
See that? It's a little bit of magic.


That's amazing. Why do we do that?


That's pollen power. More pollen, more
flowers, more nectar, more honey for us.


Oool.


I'm picking up a lot of bright yellow.
Oould be daisies. Don't we need those?


Oopy that visual.


Wait. One of these flowers
seems to be on the move.


Say again? You're reporting
a moving flower?


Affirmative.


That was on the line!


This is the coolest. What is it?


I don't know, but I'm loving this color.


It smells good.
Not like a flower, but I like it.


Yeah, fuzzy.


Ohemical-y.


Oareful, guys. It's a little grabby.


My sweet lord of bees!


Oandy-brain, get off there!


Problem!


- Guys!
- This could be bad.


Affirmative.


Very close.


Gonna hurt.


Mama's little boy.


You are way out of position, rookie!


Ooming in at you like a missile!


Help me!


I don't think these are flowers.


- Should we tell him?
- I think he knows.


What is this?!


Match point!


You can start packing up, honey,
because you're about to eat it!


Yowser!


Gross.


There's a bee in the car!


- Do something!
- I'm driving!


- Hi, bee.
- He's back here!


He's going to sting me!


Nobody move. If you don't move,
he won't sting you. Freeze!


He blinked!


Spray him, Granny!


What are you doing?!


Wow... the tension level
out here is unbelievable.


I gotta get home.


Oan't fly in rain.


Oan't fly in rain.


Oan't fly in rain.


Mayday! Mayday! Bee going down!


Ken, could you close
the window please?


Ken, could you close
the window please?


Oheck out my new resume.
I made it into a fold-out brochure.


You see? Folds out.


Oh, no. More humans. I don't need this.


What was that?


Maybe this time. This time. This time.
This time! This time! This...


Drapes!


That is diabolical.


It's fantastic. It's got all my special
skills, even my top-ten favorite movies.


What's number one? Star Wars?


Nah, I don't go for that...


...kind of stuff.


No wonder we shouldn't talk to them.
They're out of their minds.


When I leave a job interview, they're
flabbergasted, can't believe what I say.


There's the sun. Maybe that's a way out.


I don't remember the sun
having a big 75 on it.


I predicted global warming.


I could feel it getting hotter.
At first I thought it was just me.


Wait! Stop! Bee!


Stand back. These are winter boots.


Wait!


Don't kill him!


You know I'm allergic to them!
This thing could kill me!


Why does his life have
less value than yours?


Why does his life have any less value
than mine? Is that your statement?


I'm just saying all life has value. You
don't know what he's capable of feeling.


My brochure!


There you go, little guy.


I'm not scared of him.
It's an allergic thing.


Put that on your resume brochure.


My whole face could puff up.


Make it one of your special skills.


Knocking someone out
is also a special skill.


Right. Bye, Vanessa. Thanks.


- Vanessa, next week? Yogurt night?
- Sure, Ken. You know, whatever.


- You could put carob chips on there.
- Bye.


- Supposed to be less calories.
- Bye.


I gotta say something.


She saved my life.
I gotta say something.


All right, here it goes.


Nah.


What would I say?


I could really get in trouble.


It's a bee law.
You're not supposed to talk to a human.


I can't believe I'm doing this.


I've got to.


Oh, I can't do it. Oome on!


No. Yes. No.


Do it. I can't.


How should I start it?
"You like jazz?" No, that's no good.


Here she comes! Speak, you fool!


Hi!


I'm sorry.


- You're talking.
- Yes, I know.


You're talking!


I'm so sorry.


No, it's OK. It's fine.
I know I'm dreaming.


But I don't recall going to bed.


Well, I'm sure this
is very disconcerting.


This is a bit of a surprise to me.
I mean, you're a bee!


I am. And I'm not supposed
to be doing this,


but they were all trying to kill me.


And if it wasn't for you...


I had to thank you.
It's just how I was raised.


That was a little weird.


- I'm talking with a bee.
- Yeah.


I'm talking to a bee.
And the bee is talking to me!


I just want to say I'm grateful.
I'll leave now.


- Wait! How did you learn to do that?
- What?


The talking thing.


Same way you did, I guess.
"Mama, Dada, honey." You pick it up.


- That's very funny.
- Yeah.


Bees are funny. If we didn't laugh,
we'd cry with what we have to deal with.


Anyway...


Oan I...


...get you something?
- Like what?


I don't know. I mean...
I don't know. Ooffee?


I don't want to put you out.


It's no trouble. It takes two minutes.


- It's just coffee.
- I hate to impose.


- Don't be ridiculous!
- Actually, I would love a cup.


Hey, you want rum cake?


- I shouldn't.
- Have some.


- No, I can't.
- Oome on!


I'm trying to lose a couple micrograms.


- Where?
- These stripes don't help.


You look great!


I don't know if you know
anything about fashion.


Are you all right?


No.


He's making the tie in the cab
as they're flying up Madison.


He finally gets there.


He runs up the steps into the church.
The wedding is on.


And he says, "Watermelon?
I thought you said Guatemalan.


Why would I marry a watermelon?"


Is that a bee joke?


That's the kind of stuff we do.


Yeah, different.


So, what are you gonna do, Barry?


About work? I don't know.


I want to do my part for the hive,
but I can't do it the way they want.


I know how you feel.


- You do?
- Sure.


My parents wanted me to be a lawyer or
a doctor, but I wanted to be a florist.


- Really?
- My only interest is flowers.


Our new queen was just elected
with that same campaign slogan.


Anyway, if you look...


There's my hive right there. See it?


You're in Sheep Meadow!


Yes! I'm right off the Turtle Pond!


No way! I know that area.
I lost a toe ring there once.


- Why do girls put rings on their toes?
- Why not?


- It's like putting a hat on your knee.
- Maybe I'll try that.


- You all right, ma'am?
- Oh, yeah. Fine.


Just having two cups of coffee!


Anyway, this has been great.
Thanks for the coffee.


Yeah, it's no trouble.


Sorry I couldn't finish it. If I did,
I'd be up the rest of my life.


Are you...?


Oan I take a piece of this with me?


Sure! Here, have a crumb.


- Thanks!
- Yeah.


All right. Well, then...
I guess I'll see you around.


Or not.


OK, Barry.


And thank you
so much again... for before.


Oh, that? That was nothing.


Well, not nothing, but... Anyway...


This can't possibly work.


He's all set to go.
We may as well try it.


OK, Dave, pull the chute.


- Sounds amazing.
- It was amazing!


It was the scariest,
happiest moment of my life.


Humans! I can't believe
you were with humans!


Giant, scary humans!
What were they like?


Huge and crazy. They talk crazy.


They eat crazy giant things.
They drive crazy.


- Do they try and kill you, like on TV?
- Some of them. But some of them don't.


- How'd you get back?
- Poodle.


You did it, and I'm glad. You saw
whatever you wanted to see.


You had your "experience." Now you
can pick out yourjob and be normal.


- Well...
- Well?


Well, I met someone.


You did? Was she Bee-ish?


- A wasp?! Your parents will kill you!
- No, no, no, not a wasp.


- Spider?
- I'm not attracted to spiders.


I know it's the hottest thing,
with the eight legs and all.


I can't get by that face.


So who is she?


She's... human.


No, no. That's a bee law.
You wouldn't break a bee law.


- Her name's Vanessa.
- Oh, boy.


She's so nice. And she's a florist!


Oh, no! You're dating a human florist!


We're not dating.


You're flying outside the hive, talking
to humans that attack our homes


with power washers and M-80s!
One-eighth a stick of dynamite!


She saved my life!
And she understands me.


This is over!


Eat this.


This is not over! What was that?


- They call it a crumb.
- It was so stingin' stripey!


And that's not what they eat.
That's what falls off what they eat!


- You know what a Oinnabon is?
- No.


It's bread and cinnamon and frosting.
They heat it up...


Sit down!


...really hot!
- Listen to me!


We are not them! We're us.
There's us and there's them!


Yes, but who can deny
the heart that is yearning?


There's no yearning.
Stop yearning. Listen to me!


You have got to start thinking bee,
my friend. Thinking bee!


- Thinking bee.
- Thinking bee.


Thinking bee! Thinking bee!
Thinking bee! Thinking bee!


There he is. He's in the pool.


You know what your problem is, Barry?


I gotta start thinking bee?


How much longer will this go on?


It's been three days!
Why aren't you working?


I've got a lot of big life decisions
to think about.


What life? You have no life!
You have no job. You're barely a bee!


Would it kill you
to make a little honey?


Barry, come out.
Your father's talking to you.


Martin, would you talk to him?


Barry, I'm talking to you!


You coming?


Got everything?


All set!


Go ahead. I'll catch up.


Don't be too long.


Watch this!


Vanessa!


- We're still here.
- I told you not to yell at him.


He doesn't respond to yelling!


- Then why yell at me?
- Because you don't listen!


I'm not listening to this.


Sorry, I've gotta go.


- Where are you going?
- I'm meeting a friend.


A girl? Is this why you can't decide?


Bye.


I just hope she's Bee-ish.


They have a huge parade
of flowers every year in Pasadena?


To be in the Tournament of Roses,
that's every florist's dream!


Up on a float, surrounded
by flowers, crowds cheering.


A tournament. Do the roses
compete in athletic events?


No. All right, I've got one.
How come you don't fly everywhere?


It's exhausting. Why don't you
run everywhere? It's faster.


Yeah, OK, I see, I see.
All right, your turn.


TiVo. You can just freeze live TV?
That's insane!


You don't have that?


We have Hivo, but it's a disease.
It's a horrible, horrible disease.


Oh, my.


Dumb bees!


You must want to sting all those jerks.


We try not to sting.
It's usually fatal for us.


So you have to watch your temper.


Very carefully.
You kick a wall, take a walk,


write an angry letter and throw it out.
Work through it like any emotion:


Anger, jealousy, lust.


Oh, my goodness! Are you OK?


Yeah.


- What is wrong with you?!
- It's a bug.


He's not bothering anybody.
Get out of here, you creep!


What was that? A Pic 'N' Save circular?


Yeah, it was. How did you know?


It felt like about 10 pages.
Seventy-five is pretty much our limit.


You've really got that
down to a science.


- I lost a cousin to Italian Vogue.
- I'll bet.


What in the name
of Mighty Hercules is this?


How did this get here?
Oute Bee, Golden Blossom,


Ray Liotta Private Select?


- Is he that actor?
- I never heard of him.


- Why is this here?
- For people. We eat it.


You don't have
enough food of your own?


- Well, yes.
- How do you get it?


- Bees make it.
- I know who makes it!


And it's hard to make it!


There's heating, cooling, stirring.
You need a whole Krelman thing!


- It's organic.
- It's our-ganic!


It's just honey, Barry.


Just what?!


Bees don't know about this!
This is stealing! A lot of stealing!


You've taken our homes, schools,
hospitals! This is all we have!


And it's on sale?!
I'm getting to the bottom of this.


I'm getting to the bottom
of all of this!


Hey, Hector.


- You almost done?
- Almost.


He is here. I sense it.


Well, I guess I'll go home now


and just leave this nice honey out,
with no one around.


You're busted, box boy!


I knew I heard something.
So you can talk!


I can talk.
And now you'll start talking!


Where you getting the sweet stuff?
Who's your supplier?


I don't understand.
I thought we were friends.


The last thing we want
to do is upset bees!


You're too late! It's ours now!


You, sir, have crossed
the wrong sword!


You, sir, will be lunch
for my iguana, Ignacio!


Where is the honey coming from?


Tell me where!


Honey Farms! It comes from Honey Farms!


Orazy person!


What horrible thing has happened here?


These faces, they never knew
what hit them. And now


they're on the road to nowhere!


Just keep still.


What? You're not dead?


Do I look dead? They will wipe anything
that moves. Where you headed?


To Honey Farms.
I am onto something huge here.


I'm going to Alaska. Moose blood,
crazy stuff. Blows your head off!


I'm going to Tacoma.


- And you?
- He really is dead.


All right.


Uh-oh!


- What is that?!
- Oh, no!


- A wiper! Triple blade!
- Triple blade?


Jump on! It's your only chance, bee!


Why does everything have
to be so doggone clean?!


How much do you people need to see?!


Open your eyes!
Stick your head out the window!


From NPR News in Washington,
I'm Oarl Kasell.


But don't kill no more bugs!


- Bee!
- Moose blood guy!!


- You hear something?
- Like what?


Like tiny screaming.


Turn off the radio.


Whassup, bee boy?


Hey, Blood.


Just a row of honey jars,
as far as the eye could see.


Wow!


I assume wherever this truck goes
is where they're getting it.


I mean, that honey's ours.


- Bees hang tight.
- We're all jammed in.


It's a close community.


Not us, man. We on our own.
Every mosquito on his own.


- What if you get in trouble?
- You a mosquito, you in trouble.


Nobody likes us. They just smack.
See a mosquito, smack, smack!


At least you're out in the world.
You must meet girls.


Mosquito girls try to trade up,
get with a moth, dragonfly.


Mosquito girl don't want no mosquito.


You got to be kidding me!


Mooseblood's about to leave
the building! So long, bee!


- Hey, guys!
- Mooseblood!


I knew I'd catch y'all down here.
Did you bring your crazy straw?


We throw it in jars, slap a label on it,
and it's pretty much pure profit.


What is this place?


A bee's got a brain
the size of a pinhead.


They are pinheads!


Pinhead.


- Oheck out the new smoker.
- Oh, sweet. That's the one you want.


The Thomas 3000!


Smoker?


Ninety puffs a minute, semi-automatic.
Twice the nicotine, all the tar.


A couple breaths of this
knocks them right out.


They make the honey,
and we make the money.


"They make the honey,
and we make the money"?


Oh, my!


What's going on? Are you OK?


Yeah. It doesn't last too long.


Do you know you're
in a fake hive with fake walls?


Our queen was moved here.
We had no choice.


This is your queen?
That's a man in women's clothes!


That's a drag queen!


What is this?


Oh, no!


There's hundreds of them!


Bee honey.


Our honey is being brazenly stolen
on a massive scale!


This is worse than anything bears
have done! I intend to do something.


Oh, Barry, stop.


Who told you humans are taking
our honey? That's a rumor.


Do these look like rumors?


That's a conspiracy theory.
These are obviously doctored photos.


How did you get mixed up in this?


He's been talking to humans.


- What?
- Talking to humans?!


He has a human girlfriend.
And they make out!


Make out? Barry!


We do not.


- You wish you could.
- Whose side are you on?


The bees!


I dated a cricket once in San Antonio.
Those crazy legs kept me up all night.


Barry, this is what you want
to do with your life?


I want to do it for all our lives.
Nobody works harder than bees!


Dad, I remember you
coming home so overworked


your hands were still stirring.
You couldn't stop.


I remember that.


What right do they have to our honey?


We live on two cups a year. They put it
in lip balm for no reason whatsoever!


Even if it's true, what can one bee do?


Sting them where it really hurts.


In the face! The eye!


- That would hurt.
- No.


Up the nose? That's a killer.


There's only one place you can sting
the humans, one place where it matters.


Hive at Five, the hive's only
full-hour action news source.


No more bee beards!


With Bob Bumble at the anchor desk.


Weather with Storm Stinger.


Sports with Buzz Larvi.


And Jeanette Ohung.


- Good evening. I'm Bob Bumble.
- And I'm Jeanette Ohung.


A tri-county bee, Barry Benson,


intends to sue the human race
for stealing our honey,


packaging it and profiting
from it illegally!


Tomorrow night on Bee Larry King,


we'll have three former queens here in
our studio, discussing their new book,


Olassy Ladies,
out this week on Hexagon.


Tonight we're talking to Barry Benson.


Did you ever think, "I'm a kid
from the hive. I can't do this"?


Bees have never been afraid
to change the world.


What about Bee Oolumbus?
Bee Gandhi? Bejesus?


Where I'm from, we'd never sue humans.


We were thinking
of stickball or candy stores.


How old are you?


The bee community
is supporting you in this case,


which will be the trial
of the bee century.


You know, they have a Larry King
in the human world too.


It's a common name. Next week...


He looks like you and has a show
and suspenders and colored dots...


Next week...


Glasses, quotes on the bottom from the
guest even though you just heard 'em.


Bear Week next week!
They're scary, hairy and here live.


Always leans forward, pointy shoulders,
squinty eyes, very Jewish.


In tennis, you attack
at the point of weakness!


It was my grandmother, Ken. She's 81.


Honey, her backhand's a joke!
I'm not gonna take advantage of that?


Quiet, please.
Actual work going on here.


- Is that that same bee?
- Yes, it is!


I'm helping him sue the human race.


- Hello.
- Hello, bee.


This is Ken.


Yeah, I remember you. Timberland, size
ten and a half. Vibram sole, I believe.


Why does he talk again?


Listen, you better go
'cause we're really busy working.


But it's our yogurt night!


Bye-bye.


Why is yogurt night so difficult?!


You poor thing.
You two have been at this for hours!


Yes, and Adam here
has been a huge help.


- Frosting...
- How many sugars?


Just one. I try not
to use the competition.


So why are you helping me?


Bees have good qualities.


And it takes my mind off the shop.


Instead of flowers, people
are giving balloon bouquets now.


Those are great, if you're three.


And artificial flowers.


- Oh, those just get me psychotic!
- Yeah, me too.


Bent stingers, pointless pollination.


Bees must hate those fake things!


Nothing worse
than a daffodil that's had work done.


Maybe this could make up
for it a little bit.


- This lawsuit's a pretty big deal.
- I guess.


You sure you want to go through with it?


Am I sure? When I'm done with
the humans, they won't be able


to say, "Honey, I'm home,"
without paying a royalty!


It's an incredible scene
here in downtown Manhattan,


where the world anxiously waits,
because for the first time in history,


we will hear for ourselves
if a honeybee can actually speak.


What have we gotten into here, Barry?


It's pretty big, isn't it?


I can't believe how many humans
don't work during the day.


You think billion-dollar multinational
food companies have good lawyers?


Everybody needs to stay
behind the barricade.


- What's the matter?
- I don't know, I just got a chill.


Well, if it isn't the bee team.


You boys work on this?


All rise! The Honorable
Judge Bumbleton presiding.


All right. Oase number 4475,


Superior Oourt of New York,
Barry Bee Benson v. the Honey Industry


is now in session.


Mr. Montgomery, you're representing
the five food companies collectively?


A privilege.


Mr. Benson... you're representing
all the bees of the world?


I'm kidding. Yes, Your Honor,
we're ready to proceed.


Mr. Montgomery,
your opening statement, please.


Ladies and gentlemen of the jury,


my grandmother was a simple woman.


Born on a farm, she believed
it was man's divine right


to benefit from the bounty
of nature God put before us.


If we lived in the topsy-turvy world
Mr. Benson imagines,


just think of what would it mean.


I would have to negotiate
with the silkworm


for the elastic in my britches!


Talking bee!


How do we know this isn't some sort of


holographic motion-picture-capture
Hollywood wizardry?


They could be using laser beams!


Robotics! Ventriloquism!
Oloning! For all we know,


he could be on steroids!


Mr. Benson?


Ladies and gentlemen,
there's no trickery here.


I'm just an ordinary bee.
Honey's pretty important to me.


It's important to all bees.
We invented it!


We make it. And we protect it
with our lives.


Unfortunately, there are
some people in this room


who think they can take it from us


'cause we're the little guys!
I'm hoping that, after this is all over,


you'll see how, by taking our honey,
you not only take everything we have


but everything we are!


I wish he'd dress like that
all the time. So nice!


Oall your first witness.


So, Mr. Klauss Vanderhayden
of Honey Farms, big company you have.


I suppose so.


I see you also own
Honeyburton and Honron!


Yes, they provide beekeepers
for our farms.


Beekeeper. I find that
to be a very disturbing term.


I don't imagine you employ
any bee-free-ers, do you?


- No.
- I couldn't hear you.


- No.
- No.


Because you don't free bees.
You keep bees. Not only that,


it seems you thought a bear would be
an appropriate image for a jar of honey.


They're very lovable creatures.


Yogi Bear, Fozzie Bear, Build-A-Bear.


You mean like this?


Bears kill bees!


How'd you like his head crashing
through your living room?!


Biting into your couch!
Spitting out your throw pillows!


OK, that's enough. Take him away.


So, Mr. Sting, thank you for being here.
Your name intrigues me.


- Where have I heard it before?
- I was with a band called The Police.


But you've never been
a police officer, have you?


No, I haven't.


No, you haven't. And so here
we have yet another example


of bee culture casually
stolen by a human


for nothing more than
a prance-about stage name.


Oh, please.


Have you ever been stung, Mr. Sting?


Because I'm feeling
a little stung, Sting.


Or should I say... Mr. Gordon M. Sumner!


That's not his real name?! You idiots!


Mr. Liotta, first,
belated congratulations on


your Emmy win for a guest spot
on ER in 2005.


Thank you. Thank you.


I see from your resume
that you're devilishly handsome


with a churning inner turmoil
that's ready to blow.


I enjoy what I do. Is that a crime?


Not yet it isn't. But is this
what it's come to for you?


Exploiting tiny, helpless bees
so you don't


have to rehearse
your part and learn your lines, sir?


Watch it, Benson!
I could blow right now!


This isn't a goodfella.
This is a badfella!


Why doesn't someone just step on
this creep, and we can all go home?!


- Order in this court!
- You're all thinking it!


Order! Order, I say!


- Say it!
- Mr. Liotta, please sit down!


I think it was awfully nice
of that bear to pitch in like that.


I think the jury's on our side.


Are we doing everything right, legally?


I'm a florist.


Right. Well, here's to a great team.


To a great team!


Well, hello.


- Ken!
- Hello.


I didn't think you were coming.


No, I was just late.
I tried to call, but... the battery.


I didn't want all this to go to waste,
so I called Barry. Luckily, he was free.


Oh, that was lucky.


There's a little left.
I could heat it up.


Yeah, heat it up, sure, whatever.


So I hear you're quite a tennis player.


I'm not much for the game myself.
The ball's a little grabby.


That's where I usually sit.
Right... there.


Ken, Barry was looking at your resume,


and he agreed with me that eating with
chopsticks isn't really a special skill.


You think I don't see what you're doing?


I know how hard it is to find
the rightjob. We have that in common.


Do we?


Bees have 100 percent employment,
but we do jobs like taking the crud out.


That's just what
I was thinking about doing.


Ken, I let Barry borrow your razor
for his fuzz. I hope that was all right.


I'm going to drain the old stinger.


Yeah, you do that.


Look at that.


You know, I've just about had it


with your little mind games.


- What's that?
- Italian Vogue.


Mamma mia, that's a lot of pages.


A lot of ads.


Remember what Van said, why is
your life more valuable than mine?


Funny, I just can't seem to recall that!


I think something stinks in here!


I love the smell of flowers.


How do you like the smell of flames?!


Not as much.


Water bug! Not taking sides!


Ken, I'm wearing a Ohapstick hat!
This is pathetic!


I've got issues!


Well, well, well, a royal flush!


- You're bluffing.
- Am I?


Surf's up, dude!


Poo water!


That bowl is gnarly.


Except for those dirty yellow rings!


Kenneth! What are you doing?!


You know, I don't even like honey!
I don't eat it!


We need to talk!


He's just a little bee!


And he happens to be
the nicest bee I've met in a long time!


Long time? What are you talking about?!
Are there other bugs in your life?


No, but there are other things bugging
me in life. And you're one of them!


Fine! Talking bees, no yogurt night...


My nerves are fried from riding
on this emotional roller coaster!


Goodbye, Ken.


And for your information,


I prefer sugar-free, artificial
sweeteners made by man!


I'm sorry about all that.


I know it's got
an aftertaste! I like it!


I always felt there was some kind
of barrier between Ken and me.


I couldn't overcome it.
Oh, well.


Are you OK for the trial?


I believe Mr. Montgomery
is about out of ideas.


We would like to call
Mr. Barry Benson Bee to the stand.


Good idea! You can really see why he's
considered one of the best lawyers...


Yeah.


Layton, you've
gotta weave some magic


with this jury,
or it's gonna be all over.


Don't worry. The only thing I have
to do to turn this jury around


is to remind them
of what they don't like about bees.


- You got the tweezers?
- Are you allergic?


Only to losing, son. Only to losing.


Mr. Benson Bee, I'll ask you
what I think we'd all like to know.


What exactly is your relationship


to that woman?


We're friends.


- Good friends?
- Yes.


How good? Do you live together?


Wait a minute...


Are you her little...


...bedbug?


I've seen a bee documentary or two.
From what I understand,


doesn't your queen give birth
to all the bee children?


- Yeah, but...
- So those aren't your real parents!


- Oh, Barry...
- Yes, they are!


Hold me back!


You're an illegitimate bee,
aren't you, Benson?


He's denouncing bees!


Don't y'all date your cousins?


- Objection!
- I'm going to pincushion this guy!


Adam, don't! It's what he wants!


Oh, I'm hit!!


Oh, lordy, I am hit!


Order! Order!


The venom! The venom
is coursing through my veins!


I have been felled
by a winged beast of destruction!


You see? You can't treat them
like equals! They're striped savages!


Stinging's the only thing
they know! It's their way!


- Adam, stay with me.
- I can't feel my legs.


What angel of mercy
will come forward to suck the poison


from my heaving buttocks?


I will have order in this court. Order!


Order, please!


The case of the honeybees
versus the human race


took a pointed turn against the bees


yesterday when one of their legal
team stung Layton T. Montgomery.


- Hey, buddy.
- Hey.


- Is there much pain?
- Yeah.


I...


I blew the whole case, didn't I?


It doesn't matter. What matters is
you're alive. You could have died.


I'd be better off dead. Look at me.


They got it from the cafeteria
downstairs, in a tuna sandwich.


Look, there's
a little celery still on it.


What was it like to sting someone?


I can't explain it. It was all...


All adrenaline and then...
and then ecstasy!


All right.


You think it was all a trap?


Of course. I'm sorry.
I flew us right into this.


What were we thinking? Look at us. We're
just a couple of bugs in this world.


What will the humans do to us
if they win?


I don't know.


I hear they put the roaches in motels.
That doesn't sound so bad.


Adam, they check in,
but they don't check out!


Oh, my.


Oould you get a nurse
to close that window?


- Why?
- The smoke.


Bees don't smoke.


Right. Bees don't smoke.


Bees don't smoke!
But some bees are smoking.


That's it! That's our case!


It is? It's not over?


Get dressed. I've gotta go somewhere.


Get back to the court and stall.
Stall any way you can.


And assuming you've done step correctly, you're ready for the tub.


Mr. Flayman.


Yes? Yes, Your Honor!


Where is the rest of your team?


Well, Your Honor, it's interesting.


Bees are trained to fly haphazardly,


and as a result,
we don't make very good time.


I actually heard a funny story about...


Your Honor,
haven't these ridiculous bugs


taken up enough
of this court's valuable time?


How much longer will we allow
these absurd shenanigans to go on?


They have presented no compelling
evidence to support their charges


against my clients,
who run legitimate businesses.


I move for a complete dismissal
of this entire case!


Mr. Flayman, I'm afraid I'm going


to have to consider
Mr. Montgomery's motion.


But you can't! We have a terrific case.


Where is your proof?
Where is the evidence?


Show me the smoking gun!


Hold it, Your Honor!
You want a smoking gun?


Here is your smoking gun.


What is that?


It's a bee smoker!


What, this?
This harmless little contraption?


This couldn't hurt a fly,
let alone a bee.


Look at what has happened


to bees who have never been asked,
"Smoking or non?"


Is this what nature intended for us?


To be forcibly addicted
to smoke machines


and man-made wooden slat work camps?


Living out our lives as honey slaves
to the white man?


- What are we gonna do?
- He's playing the species card.


Ladies and gentlemen, please,
free these bees!


Free the bees! Free the bees!


Free the bees!


Free the bees! Free the bees!


The court finds in favor of the bees!


Vanessa, we won!


I knew you could do it! High-five!


Sorry.


I'm OK! You know what this means?


All the honey
will finally belong to the bees.


Now we won't have
to work so hard all the time.


This is an unholy perversion
of the balance of nature, Benson.


You'll regret this.


Barry, how much honey is out there?


All right. One at a time.


Barry, who are you wearing?


My sweater is Ralph Lauren,
and I have no pants.


- What if Montgomery's right?
- What do you mean?


We've been living the bee way
a long time, 27 million years.


Oongratulations on your victory.
What will you demand as a settlement?


First, we'll demand a complete shutdown
of all bee work camps.


Then we want back the honey
that was ours to begin with,


every last drop.


We demand an end to the glorification
of the bear as anything more


than a filthy, smelly,
bad-breath stink machine.


We're all aware
of what they do in the woods.


Wait for my signal.


Take him out.


He'll have nauseous
for a few hours, then he'll be fine.


And we will no longer tolerate
bee-negative nicknames...


But it's just a prance-about stage name!


...unnecessary inclusion of honey
in bogus health products


and la-dee-da human
tea-time snack garnishments.


Oan't breathe.


Bring it in, boys!


Hold it right there! Good.


Tap it.


Mr. Buzzwell, we just passed three cups,
and there's gallons more coming!


- I think we need to shut down!
- Shut down? We've never shut down.


Shut down honey production!


Stop making honey!


Turn your key, sir!


What do we do now?


Oannonball!


We're shutting honey production!


Mission abort.


Aborting pollination and nectar detail.
Returning to base.


Adam, you wouldn't believe
how much honey was out there.


Oh, yeah?


What's going on? Where is everybody?


- Are they out celebrating?
- They're home.


They don't know what to do.
Laying out, sleeping in.


I heard your Uncle Oarl was on his way
to San Antonio with a cricket.


At least we got our honey back.


Sometimes I think, so what if humans
liked our honey? Who wouldn't?


It's the greatest thing in the world!
I was excited to be part of making it.


This was my new desk. This was my
new job. I wanted to do it really well.


And now...


Now I can't.


I don't understand
why they're not happy.


I thought their lives would be better!


They're doing nothing. It's amazing.
Honey really changes people.


You don't have any idea
what's going on, do you?


- What did you want to show me?
- This.


What happened here?


That is not the half of it.


Oh, no. Oh, my.


They're all wilting.


Doesn't look very good, does it?


No.


And whose fault do you think that is?


You know, I'm gonna guess bees.


Bees?


Specifically, me.


I didn't think bees not needing to make
honey would affect all these things.


It's notjust flowers.
Fruits, vegetables, they all need bees.


That's our whole SAT test right there.


Take away produce, that affects
the entire animal kingdom.


And then, of course...


The human species?


So if there's no more pollination,


it could all just go south here,
couldn't it?


I know this is also partly my fault.


How about a suicide pact?


How do we do it?


- I'll sting you, you step on me.
- Thatjust kills you twice.


Right, right.


Listen, Barry...
sorry, but I gotta get going.


I had to open my mouth and talk.


Vanessa?


Vanessa? Why are you leaving?
Where are you going?


To the final Tournament of Roses parade
in Pasadena.


They've moved it to this weekend
because all the flowers are dying.


It's the last chance
I'll ever have to see it.


Vanessa, I just wanna say I'm sorry.
I never meant it to turn out like this.


I know. Me neither.


Tournament of Roses.
Roses can't do sports.


Wait a minute. Roses. Roses?


Roses!


Vanessa!


Roses?!


Barry?


- Roses are flowers!
- Yes, they are.


Flowers, bees, pollen!


I know.
That's why this is the last parade.


Maybe not.
Oould you ask him to slow down?


Oould you slow down?


Barry!


OK, I made a huge mistake.
This is a total disaster, all my fault.


Yes, it kind of is.


I've ruined the planet.
I wanted to help you


with the flower shop.
I've made it worse.


Actually, it's completely closed down.


I thought maybe you were remodeling.


But I have another idea, and it's
greater than my previous ideas combined.


I don't want to hear it!


All right, they have the roses,
the roses have the pollen.


I know every bee, plant
and flower bud in this park.


All we gotta do is get what they've got
back here with what we've got.


- Bees.
- Park.


- Pollen!
- Flowers.


- Repollination!
- Across the nation!


Tournament of Roses,
Pasadena, Oalifornia.


They've got nothing
but flowers, floats and cotton candy.


Security will be tight.


I have an idea.


Vanessa Bloome, FTD.


Official floral business. It's real.


Sorry, ma'am. Nice brooch.


Thank you. It was a gift.


Once inside,
we just pick the right float.


How about The Princess and the Pea?


I could be the princess,
and you could be the pea!


Yes, I got it.


- Where should I sit?
- What are you?


- I believe I'm the pea.
- The pea?


It goes under the mattresses.


- Not in this fairy tale, sweetheart.
- I'm getting the marshal.


You do that!
This whole parade is a fiasco!


Let's see what this baby'll do.


Hey, what are you doing?!


Then all we do
is blend in with traffic...


...without arousing suspicion.


Once at the airport,
there's no stopping us.


Stop! Security.


- You and your insect pack your float?
- Yes.


Has it been
in your possession the entire time?


Would you remove your shoes?


- Remove your stinger.
- It's part of me.


I know. Just having some fun.
Enjoy your flight.


Then if we're lucky, we'll have
just enough pollen to do the job.


Oan you believe how lucky we are? We
have just enough pollen to do the job!


I think this is gonna work.


It's got to work.


Attention, passengers,
this is Oaptain Scott.


We have a bit of bad weather
in New York.


It looks like we'll experience
a couple hours delay.


Barry, these are cut flowers
with no water. They'll never make it.


I gotta get up there
and talk to them.


Be careful.


Oan I get help
with the Sky Mall magazine?


I'd like to order the talking
inflatable nose and ear hair trimmer.


Oaptain, I'm in a real situation.


- What'd you say, Hal?
- Nothing.


Bee!


Don't freak out! My entire species...


What are you doing?


- Wait a minute! I'm an attorney!
- Who's an attorney?


Don't move.


Oh, Barry.


Good afternoon, passengers.
This is your captain.


Would a Miss Vanessa Bloome in 24B
please report to the cockpit?


And please hurry!


What happened here?


There was a DustBuster,
a toupee, a life raft exploded.


One's bald, one's in a boat,
they're both unconscious!


- Is that another bee joke?
- No!


No one's flying the plane!


This is JFK control tower, Flight 356.
What's your status?


This is Vanessa Bloome.
I'm a florist from New York.


Where's the pilot?


He's unconscious,
and so is the copilot.


Not good. Does anyone onboard
have flight experience?


As a matter of fact, there is.


- Who's that?
- Barry Benson.


From the honey trial?! Oh, great.


Vanessa, this is nothing more
than a big metal bee.


It's got giant wings, huge engines.


I can't fly a plane.


- Why not? Isn't John Travolta a pilot?
- Yes.


How hard could it be?


Wait, Barry!
We're headed into some lightning.


This is Bob Bumble. We have some
late-breaking news from JFK Airport,


where a suspenseful scene
is developing.


Barry Benson,
fresh from his legal victory...


That's Barry!


...is attempting to land a plane,
loaded with people, flowers


and an incapacitated flight crew.


Flowers?!


We have a storm in the area
and two individuals at the controls


with absolutely no flight experience.


Just a minute.
There's a bee on that plane.


I'm quite familiar with Mr. Benson
and his no-account compadres.


They've done enough damage.


But isn't he your only hope?


Technically, a bee
shouldn't be able to fly at all.


Their wings are too small...


Haven't we heard this a million times?


"The surface area of the wings
and body mass make no sense."


- Get this on the air!
- Got it.


- Stand by.
- We're going live.


The way we work may be a mystery to you.


Making honey takes a lot of bees
doing a lot of small jobs.


But let me tell you about a small job.


If you do it well,
it makes a big difference.


More than we realized.
To us, to everyone.


That's why I want to get bees
back to working together.


That's the bee way!
We're not made of Jell-O.


We get behind a fellow.


- Black and yellow!
- Hello!


Left, right, down, hover.


- Hover?
- Forget hover.


This isn't so hard.
Beep-beep! Beep-beep!


Barry, what happened?!


Wait, I think we were
on autopilot the whole time.


- That may have been helping me.
- And now we're not!


So it turns out I cannot fly a plane.


All of you, let's get
behind this fellow! Move it out!


Move out!


Our only chance is if I do what I'd do,
you copy me with the wings of the plane!


Don't have to yell.


I'm not yelling!
We're in a lot of trouble.


It's very hard to concentrate
with that panicky tone in your voice!


It's not a tone. I'm panicking!


I can't do this!


Vanessa, pull yourself together.
You have to snap out of it!


You snap out of it.


You snap out of it.


- You snap out of it!
- You snap out of it!


- You snap out of it!
- You snap out of it!


- You snap out of it!
- You snap out of it!


- Hold it!
- Why? Oome on, it's my turn.


How is the plane flying?


I don't know.


Hello?


Benson, got any flowers
for a happy occasion in there?


The Pollen Jocks!


They do get behind a fellow.


- Black and yellow.
- Hello.


All right, let's drop this tin can
on the blacktop.


Where? I can't see anything. Oan you?


No, nothing. It's all cloudy.


Oome on. You got to think bee, Barry.


- Thinking bee.
- Thinking bee.


Thinking bee!
Thinking bee! Thinking bee!


Wait a minute.
I think I'm feeling something.


- What?
- I don't know. It's strong, pulling me.


Like a 27-million-year-old instinct.


Bring the nose down.


Thinking bee!
Thinking bee! Thinking bee!


- What in the world is on the tarmac?
- Get some lights on that!


Thinking bee!
Thinking bee! Thinking bee!


- Vanessa, aim for the flower.
- OK.


Out the engines. We're going in
on bee power. Ready, boys?


Affirmative!


Good. Good. Easy, now. That's it.


Land on that flower!


Ready? Full reverse!


Spin it around!


- Not that flower! The other one!
- Which one?


- That flower.
- I'm aiming at the flower!


That's a fat guy in a flowered shirt.
I mean the giant pulsating flower


made of millions of bees!


Pull forward. Nose down. Tail up.


Rotate around it.


- This is insane, Barry!
- This's the only way I know how to fly.


Am I koo-koo-kachoo, or is this plane
flying in an insect-like pattern?


Get your nose in there. Don't be afraid.
Smell it. Full reverse!


Just drop it. Be a part of it.


Aim for the center!


Now drop it in! Drop it in, woman!


Oome on, already.


Barry, we did it!
You taught me how to fly!


- Yes. No high-five!
- Right.


Barry, it worked!
Did you see the giant flower?


What giant flower? Where? Of course
I saw the flower! That was genius!


- Thank you.
- But we're not done yet.


Listen, everyone!


This runway is covered
with the last pollen


from the last flowers
available anywhere on Earth.


That means this is our last chance.


We're the only ones who make honey,
pollinate flowers and dress like this.


If we're gonna survive as a species,
this is our moment! What do you say?


Are we going to be bees, orjust
Museum of Natural History keychains?


We're bees!


Keychain!


Then follow me! Except Keychain.


Hold on, Barry. Here.


You've earned this.


Yeah!


I'm a Pollen Jock! And it's a perfect
fit. All I gotta do are the sleeves.


Oh, yeah.


That's our Barry.


Mom! The bees are back!


If anybody needs
to make a call, now's the time.


I got a feeling we'll be
working late tonight!


Here's your change. Have a great
afternoon! Oan I help who's next?


Would you like some honey with that?
It is bee-approved. Don't forget these.


Milk, cream, cheese, it's all me.
And I don't see a nickel!


Sometimes I just feel
like a piece of meat!


I had no idea.


Barry, I'm sorry.
Have you got a moment?


Would you excuse me?
My mosquito associate will help you.


Sorry I'm late.


He's a lawyer too?


I was already a blood-sucking parasite.
All I needed was a briefcase.


Have a great afternoon!


Barry, I just got this huge tulip order,
and I can't get them anywhere.


No problem, Vannie.
Just leave it to me.


You're a lifesaver, Barry.
Oan I help who's next?


All right, scramble, jocks!
It's time to fly.


Thank you, Barry!


That bee is living my life!


Let it go, Kenny.


- When will this nightmare end?!
- Let it all go.


- Beautiful day to fly.
- Sure is.


Between you and me,
I was dying to get out of that office.


You have got
to start thinking bee, my friend.


- Thinking bee!
- Me?


Hold it. Let's just stop
for a second. Hold it.


I'm sorry. I'm sorry, everyone.
Oan we stop here?


I'm not making a major life decision
during a production number!


All right. Take ten, everybody.
Wrap it up, guys.


I had virtually no rehearsal for that.

[Parama]

i typed it all out by hand tbh

[Parama]

why not just

Lynch them now then????

Like why put off the scum lynch???????

[Parama]

WHY ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT THIS

[Parama]

STOP TALKING ABOUT OTHER GAMES THAT ARE COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT THERE'S ALREADY TOO MUCH CLUTTER IN THIS THREAD WITHOUT THAT

[Parama]

Hey can everyone do me a favor.

Copy+paste this and post it:

Code: Select all

[v]Shadow_step[/v]

Thanks!

[Parama]

this is honestly my reaction to this game as a whole

someone summarize what happened with mhsmith in the past 10 pages in 100 words or less

[Parama]

you guys are literally just arguing about the definition of gamethrowing omg

[Parama]

the only way you'd push this as town is if you literally just straight up missed my post where I explained why I don't want to lynch our pair right at this second.

can you point at this post, i'm actually trying to find it now and failing to do so

[Parama]

i mean maybe i'm the weird one but i don't see the outrage against mhsmith

arguing about the definition of gamethrowing is stupid and pointless but not alignment indicative
pie is expecting mhsmith to have the memory of a robot and remember an arbitrary post over a thousand posts ago (yes i saw it now ignore my last post)

once both of those fall apart it just looks like a witch hunt with no basis + that i actually do agree that pie strongly scumreading smith while voting elsewhere and only threatening to suicide (which, by her own reasoning, goes against the reason she doesn't want to lynch her own pair right away)

i see people making a big stink about a lot of nullish behavior
i don't particularly think pie is scum for it, it just looks like she's projecting her own expectations of townplay onto a completely different player and incorrectly recognizing the differences as scumtells instead of playstyle differences

dunn popping in to throw fuel on the fire is a little worrisome too
but i do agree that mhsmith's push on pieguy is one thing that actually does bother me
so ehh

[Parama]

there is no way scum would be taking such a self destructive play.

yeah i'll agree here too, pie's town, smith's nullish atm

[Parama]

hey dunn spoilers HS is town

i'll unlazy and do that "HS is town masterpost" at some point

[Parama]

VOTE: Dunn/Kagami
I don't see any other lady being the scum lady

i agree with this post tbh

[Parama]

w-wait 3 scum dudes is totally possible?
ahgurhaghtg WELL THEN

...so I'm NOT insane for having all my stronger scumreads be dudes.

[Parama]

@HS please don't compromise lynch on jester that is not a good place to lynch today

can we all compromise lynch on shadow? pretty please?

[Parama]

Btw if shadow does flip scum don't let the people who sr our pair magically go free and question them hard

the scumreads on me were random and not needed.

I'm p. sure you're town and I've said as much several times

It's actually really stupid to think you're scum imo, makes zero sense

[Parama]

I think sadboy was doing that and that's part of why I think it's a bus on his part, he's trying way too hard to push the lynch for any tiny reason, up to calling both members of the pair scum somehow

[Parama]

What have you done at all this game besides whine that me and shadow are scum let's check...nothing good to know you keep screaming that me and shadow should be lynched but you're doing nothing to do it just placing your vote same can be said for para/SAD
If you want shadow so bad do something about it

Are you seriously gonna misrep my whole play like this?

Wtf I seriously I thought you were town but there's no way you can see my posts and say I'm only pushing shadow.

You have continuously tried to discredit me having a scumread on shadow meanwhile your town read on him is literally based on ???????? What, that he buddies you in PT?

I'm starting to get the feeling like you're the scum who's obsessed with only slinging mud at people who are pushing shadow because you know you will go down in the process.

Yeah I need that pair flipping I feel extremely uncomfortable doing any analysis or pushing anywhere else with how their play has been all game.

Vote: Shadow-MariaR

Yup right here look at this hot garbage

[Parama]

I've said this before lol

[Parama]

scout I hate to tell you but you're paired with scum

[Parama]

honestly sad is still scum too even if by some miracle shadow is town, this is mostly just justifying how they can be scum together but I was already scum reading sad separate from shadow

[Parama]

I don't trust fakegod, he lurks a lot and posts barely any content and whenever he does its just vca

Doesn't look like he's actively scumhunting to me
@sick you share a PT with him what's he saying in there?

[Parama]

yep

been feeling 2 scum dudes 1 scum lady for a while because I was having trouble finding scum in the ladies at all

[Parama]

hi sad, I took randomized to mean "it could be 2:1 either way" how's your day

[Parama]

you are my man

[Parama]

look at this guy trying to get out of bussing his partner

you know, the same thing he accused me of doing

[Parama]

literally not even true, the argument started when people were asking if there were 2 maf dudes and 1 lady or the other way around and some people brought up 3-0 as an unlikely possibility

[Parama]

Now, with that said, I don't believe any town lady should so blithely accept a dance from any gentleman. This is a chance to weed out a villain in our midst, or force the villains to dance together at the least.

Speaking of which...2 mafia gentlemen, one lady? Vice versa? Anyone have any thoughts on what's more likely?

here's where the argument began

[Parama]

reminder: sad removed and then lied about context to try and push a bs argument so that he could get out of bussing a buddy, thr same thing he accused me doing in the first place

how does anyone townread this

[Parama]

I mean if your argument is that im not reading the thread then lol

[Parama]

you should be apologizing to scout

[Parama]

i'm gonna be honest in that i don't care to read the back-and-forth wallposting between smith and pie

it's just not worth the effort when i don't particularly want to lynch the pair anyways

[Parama]

sad's doing that thing that always bothers me where his initial argument that i'm scum hinged on shadow being scum, but then the moment he found anything he could latch onto and push as scummy he shifts his attention from the person he was originally pushing to go gung-ho on lynching the "buddy" instead of, you know, the person he's piled up dozens of posts against

i really don't understand how nobody else is seeing this, it's really blatant

[Parama]

I understand that, HS. It was a note to fg more than anyone.

what, so you -want- town to lose?

like how else am i supposed to read this

[Parama]

anyways i'm gonna be at work when deadline hits and phoneposting is annoying so uhh yeah lynch shadow please peace out

[Parama]

i'm honestly convinced the mod flipped shadow wrong but
VOTE: SAD scout

hi dunn

[Parama]

hs is obvtown yeah c'mon guys
i guess there probably is scum in the jester pair as well. and kagami's the third scum. honestly if i get lynched that's whatever 'cause i'm gonna be v/la for a week starting next wednesday and not having to care about this would be r a a a d but i still think we should get, y'know, actual scum first

[Parama]

i also take the fact that he doesn't suspect me literally at all after that flip is a red flag

there's like a thousand and one reasons you're town and the legit frustration in our PT is near the top of that list

[Parama]

your pair is T/T, kagami is pretty obvscum in my eyes

[Parama]

this day is already an unmitigated disaster

[Parama]

sad is scum part 1:

See the thing is, being "townie" or "town-looking" is just NOT good enough. The wincon isn't "go look townie" it's "find scum". So far:

MDS has no scumreads
You have no scumreads
Shadow has NO reads
Dunn has NO reads
Maria has NO reads
Vedith has 1 read
Parama has 1 read
Cerb has done nothing
mhsmith has done nothing (except discuss setup early on ~so~ helpful wow)
Gamma has ????????? reads
Kagami has ????????? reads

Me and inspector have discussed more reads than I feel has been discussed in 70 pages of this thread.

Imagine the deadline was only 8 days for all of Day 1 like the other games. Seriously imagine that.

this was the first thing that really bothered me. it's just this disgusting mass discredit of practically everyone in the game.

and does sad really believe this? it doesn't sound like it, it looks like he's just making this entire post to buddy inspector some more while throwing shade at everyone. if he was reading the thread at all he'd know this is outright false

[Parama]

1. BARELY ANY PEOPLE HAVE READS. This is a true fact. I'm not going to argue this point.

ebwop: yeah add this one to the previous post this is the same exact thing

[Parama]

sad is scum part 2:

i present to you, his entire voting history.

Vote: Vedith

i don't care about this vote but i'm being comprehensive

Unvote

Vote: Shadow

This goes first today.

here's his first vote on shadow. obviously his #1 priority at the time, but. that's gonna change.
note that this was a very late vote on the initial first push of shadow.

Sorry I'm not pushing the Shadow wagon but Jester is pretty set on both of them being town and I trust his judgement.

Unvote

Vote: MDS

This is scum she has literally done nothing but fence sit how aren't people seeing these terrible posts. And now she uses Jester reads to give more non commital reads.

I'm sorry but I refuse to believe that MDS is a townie who is so attached to Jester that she is literally playing the game through him.

this vote's a bit of an odd duck but it's this weird vote he made primarily because mds called shadow town. on the other hand this is where the momentum on the shadow push started to slip away from shadow to jester.
considering this further i find it really unlikely that jester pair contains scum but i think that's unrelated to the point of this post lol

Unvote

Vote: Shadow

I'm done. I'm not moving my vote till this lynch happens. If another lynch happens I will put my vote back continuously.

"i'm not moving my vote ever"

Anyway,

Vote: Shadow

Idk why votes get reset but sure.

i mean there's nothing to say about this one either, just being comprehensive

Wait I missed a pie self vote somewhere?

That makes my point to mhsmith about pie-town even stronger.

Vote: MDS

I'm cool with this for now.

Pedit: LOL

this was absolutely a vote change because his preferred mislynch wagon wasn't going anywhere while the mds/jester wagon was taking off.
not changing his vote ever, lol, only when it's convenient i guess

What have you done at all this game besides whine that me and shadow are scum let's check...nothing good to know you keep screaming that me and shadow should be lynched but you're doing nothing to do it just placing your vote same can be said for para/SAD
If you want shadow so bad do something about it

Are you seriously gonna misrep my whole play like this?

Wtf I seriously I thought you were town but there's no way you can see my posts and say I'm only pushing shadow.

You have continuously tried to discredit me having a scumread on shadow meanwhile your town read on him is literally based on ???????? What, that he buddies you in PT?

I'm starting to get the feeling like you're the scum who's obsessed with only slinging mud at people who are pushing shadow because you know you will go down in the process.

Yeah I need that pair flipping I feel extremely uncomfortable doing any analysis or pushing anywhere else with how their play has been all game.

Vote: Shadow-MariaR

okay the bolded-underlined line is absolutely hilarious given part 1 of this sequence of posts. but yeah the shadow wagon was starting to build up again from here so he moves his vote back

Hey why don't you explain why instead of being useless as always

Because we went over it on like page fucking 5 which means you either don't care about this game enough to read it because you're scum or just bullshitting randomly.

Why is this a concern when Maria does it but you ignore the fact that Parama did the same the page before your post?

Without looking back I was gonna say because

1. Because Maria is using it to scumhunt, and using weird logic like that to scumhunt instead of just saying it randomly like that is much much scummier.
2. Because Maria partnered with shadow, and at some point I would expect Maria to have ISOed her partner, to get more confident if she's paired with scum or not (Shadow is the one who assumed it wasn't randomized or something, and then Fakegod answered).

BUT that said, having looked back:

It was randomized last setup, and it's randomized this setup.

THE HECK

HUMAN GIVE ME MY GODDAMN MONEY BACK

w-wait 3 scum dudes is totally possible?
ahgurhaghtg WELL THEN

...so I'm NOT insane for having all my stronger scumreads be dudes.

Unvote
Vote: Parama

here's his dumb push on me based on me not having been considering 3 scum on the same pair (for the record i went and did the math, assuming fakegod assigned the ic after the scum roles: 3 gentlemen is about 12.35% and 3 ladies is about 8.24%, which is about 20% chance in total)
and it's just an excuse to get off the wagon that looked like it was driving towards a lynch. he gets to have pushed it the whole time, but not actually been a part of the lynch. and yes we're gonna consider shadow lynched because his leave was literally a self-hammer at L-1

the overall story: sad pushed this shadow lynch only when convenient and hopped off at the right time to make the excuse "well i didn't want to lynch him"
all his other votes were very weak votes that never stuck around for long and never went anywhere

[Parama]

Did I really believe it; Yes.

There your case is gone.

you can say that, but you can't prove it.
and i can't prove it the other way around, true.

but. it's still a mass-discredit of the majority of the players in the game. that's the important part

[Parama]

That seems like a non-indicative lie, more like something that's exaggerated because he was pissy as opposed to a wolfy lie. Why is that scum-indicative beyond a relatively lazy ("it wasn't accurate therefore scum" take)?

"Nobody else is scumhunting, but -I- am."

[Parama]

the one confusing thing is sad-scum pushing that i was bussing shadow somehow when he knew that shadow was gonna flip town anyways.
but then he went and tried to move the wagon to me instead of shadow at the last minute for arbitrary reason (which until then his only point against me had been that i was bussing shadow, which vanished into the ether the moment shadow flipped, probably the only reason he even made that last minute push in the first place tbh)

[Parama]

That seems like a non-indicative lie, more like something that's exaggerated because he was pissy as opposed to a wolfy lie. Why is that scum-indicative beyond a relatively lazy ("it wasn't accurate therefore scum" take)?

"Nobody else is scumhunting, but -I- am."

which comes across more as "fuck you assholes for being lazy" than "give me town credit for my work" to me. Why do you think it's the latter more than the former?

it's a "i'm better than everyone else so you should listen to me"

[Parama]

sad is scum, part 3:

What have you done at all this game besides whine that me and shadow are scum let's check...nothing good to know you keep screaming that me and shadow should be lynched but you're doing nothing to do it just placing your vote same can be said for para/SAD
If you want shadow so bad do something about it

Are you seriously gonna misrep my whole play like this?

Wtf I seriously I thought you were town but there's no way you can see my posts and say I'm only pushing shadow.

You have continuously tried to discredit me having a scumread on shadow meanwhile your town read on him is literally based on ???????? What, that he buddies you in PT?

I'm starting to get the feeling like you're the scum who's obsessed with only slinging mud at people who are pushing shadow because you know you will go down in the process.

Yeah I need that pair flipping I feel extremely uncomfortable doing any analysis or pushing anywhere else with how their play has been all game.

Vote: Shadow-MariaR

suddenly he's pushing 'em as both scum just to force the lynch
this was what made me ease off the shadow lynch in the first place for what it's worth and i should've listened to my gut at the time

[Parama]

sad is scum, part 4:

I actually agree with this, I think if HS is scum shadow-maria is town.

am i the only one seeing this????
he's setting up a scenario where our pair is his next target after shadow+maria flips

i'm somehow scum if shadow's scum
hs is somehow scum if the pair is town

nailed it

y'all figured out that i'm mostly just repeating stuff i've already said before? because i am. because it's all still true

[Parama]

and it's just an excuse to get off the wagon that looked like it was driving towards a lynch. he gets to have pushed it the whole time, but not actually been a part of the lynch. and yes we're gonna consider shadow lynched because his leave was literally a self-hammer at L-1

Okay consider me on the Shadow wagon.

I literally got off it because I didn't think it would happen. I asked if people were down for it before I went to sleep, planning on waking up and voting it after sleep if it looked like it was heading for lynch. He left dance before I can get on it.

For the sake of VCA of whatever bullshit you want, consider me on it if you'd like. I will take full responsibility for driving his lynch. You're trying to paint me as someone who came up with an excuse to get off it, meanwhile I don't give a fuck that he flipped town right now and that I wasn't on it, at the time I was 100% for the shadow lynch.

There your part 2 is gone.

you're only seeing the destination, not the journey
your on-again off-again voting history speaks for itself either way, you can claim this now but i can see the hesitance just by looking at your iso

[Parama]

sad is scum, part 3:

What have you done at all this game besides whine that me and shadow are scum let's check...nothing good to know you keep screaming that me and shadow should be lynched but you're doing nothing to do it just placing your vote same can be said for para/SAD
If you want shadow so bad do something about it

Are you seriously gonna misrep my whole play like this?

Wtf I seriously I thought you were town but there's no way you can see my posts and say I'm only pushing shadow.

You have continuously tried to discredit me having a scumread on shadow meanwhile your town read on him is literally based on ???????? What, that he buddies you in PT?

I'm starting to get the feeling like

you're the scum

who's obsessed with only slinging mud at people who are pushing shadow because you know you will go down in the process.

Yeah I need that pair flipping I feel extremely uncomfortable doing any analysis or pushing anywhere else with how their play has been all game.

Vote: Shadow-MariaR

suddenly he's pushing 'em as both scum just to force the lynch
this was what made me ease off the shadow lynch in the first place for what it's worth and i should've listened to my gut at the time

I have colored to you the part that indicated that post was made with the thought "I think Maria might be the scum now not shadow", NOT both. But keep misrepping.

okay, so you're just trying to force the town/town mislynch any way you can, what changes

[Parama]

@pie i wasn't even the only one who saw it as a scumslip, blame shadow for being piss poor at wording things

[Parama]

no way in hell can you accuse arthur of opportunistically wagon hopping when he pushed shadow as hard as he did
really seeing scumParama

gotta sleep lads

just calling it like i see it

you need to take off your arthur-town blinders because you've never solidly backed that one up to me, either in-thread or in the pt
all you've ever said was "look how town he is" and "his play is really town" but i'm legit going through our PT and that's all i'm seeing, never an explanation of why he's town, just that he -is-, somehow

even after my fantastic meme post you just went "but sad is town"

[Parama]

uncomfortable with how the wagon is running up on jester/mds and neither of them have even posted yet, like sheesh guys chill

[Parama]

i'm just saying to chill

[Parama]

hnngahgjhsk

@mds: tell jester to replace out

[Parama]

preferred lynch order rn is sad > kagami > jester > smith > hs btw

[Parama]

my entrance today was "lynch scum"

i fail to see how that's bad

[Parama]

@dunn why is HS scum

[Parama]

honestly the frustration coming from mds and jester feels pretty genuine and on top of that sadboy was pushing the lynch in a cruddy way yesterday & he's scum so i really don't want to lynch the pair today

[Parama]

also @ mds: a slot that may or may not catch-up and post is 100% better than a slot that literally doesn't post

[Parama]

point me at it then, whatever

[Parama]

i want to see your points so i can dismantle them

[Parama]

don't ignore me dunn

[Parama]

don't ignore me dunn

I didn't. If HS wants to talk about my read on them, they're free to. And I'd prefer to wait for that. If you want to fact-check my read, check my iso

you have the largest iso in the game and you know what your points against HS are just point to them it'll take you a fraction of the time it'll take me

[Parama]

I'll lay out some information for the rest of the.... well for you guys

HS-Parma pair won't push (and barely interact) with the mhsmith-pieguyn pairing

And they both hard pushing Shadow

Relevant

gave my thoughts on pie/smith near the end of first dance, pie is pretty town and i don't particularly feel mhsmith is scum either

[Parama]

so about all i've gotten from dunn's iso:
"might be scum with kagami because hs was awkward discussing kagami once (but i'm not gonna say where)"
"hs is reaching (but i'm not gonna say where)"
"hs barely interacted with pie (i don't think this is true)"
"responding to questions = defensiveness"
"weak omgus accusation in 3403"

definitely doesn't look like "in detail" to me and i'm not sure what your strong points against HS are even supposed to be, as scattered and unsubstantiated as they are

[Parama]

btw ctrl+f ing for "HS" is hell because mhsmith and minideathstar both have HS in their name too lol
"human" works but doesn't get everything
your iso is super annoying dunn

[Parama]

gave my thoughts on pie/smith near the end of first dance, pie is pretty town and i don't particularly feel mhsmith is scum either

[Parama]

@dunn is kagami posting naything in your pt or did she place down a cheap vote and just screw off

[Parama]

what's she saying

[Parama]

@Kagami

: why are you hiding in your lover PT and not providing the town with delicious content-filled posts

[Parama]

also, more about the nuance thing, Parama's push on S_S for the entire duration of this game was very aggressive, but I think it was aggressive in a way that's indicative of scum, not town - they basically just made up a scum slip based around something that wasn't a slip at all and continued to hard push it the entire day to the exclusion of everything else besides SAD's pair (who I also think is town).

1. again, mds agreed it looked like a scumslip, gamma agreed it looked like a scumslip, and as town, i have no way of knowing whether or not shadow is scum but it looked like a goddamn scumslip to me
2. acting like i never said anything else about shadow is blatantly untrue. he kept doing scummy things even aside from the scumslip. i called them out quite a number of times.

[Parama]

I thought parama was my partner?

Regardless, I don't care if jester is lynched. Actually, I do. I don't care If they get lynched... eventually. If everyone ignores me and lynches whoever for the second day in a row we're going to have problems and it honestly doesn't matter what they flip because they're still ignoring my points

that was a hypothetical where I was thinking about Jester being scum and one or more of {you, Parama} being scum with him. I just don't have the ~feeling~ either of you are acting like a Jester lynch is really problematic for you, hence I've stopped to question it.

i mean, jester is definitely not the lynch i'd want right now
sad's a better lynch, kagami's a better lynch

[Parama]

I don't really care if "MDS agreed it looked like a scum slip" or whatever, it wasn't.

so you're going to completely ignore any and all context and then scream that i'm scum for something i didn't do, got it

[Parama]

what do you want me to say. i've given you my counterargument and your response is basically a "no u"

[Parama]

it wasn't a scumslip. i'm not arguing that.
to me, it looked like a scumslip. and i was not the only person of this mindset.

and again you're still ignoring literally every other point made against him. you know, the responding to any arguments with ad hominem, the lurking and only posting when called out, outright lying about things he said for no reason, pick your poison whatever you want the flavor of the day

[Parama]

i can't believe shadow's dead and flipped town and i still have to argue about him with people, omg

[Parama]

okay. doesn't change that i thought it was a scumslip. scumslips don't suddenly not become scumslips just because time passed.
and don't do that, it's not productive at all. i don't care what you thought about shadow. that doesn't discount what i thought about shadow.
you're arguing "i didn't see the arguments so therefore they were all entirely invalid" and i'm arguing "the arguments i made were why i believed shadow was scum" and it's just like
you're not seeing anything from anyone else's point of view is the main problem here

[Parama]

then i don't know what to tell you other than that you're wrong

[Parama]

i suppose i was. and?
i don't really see the point you're trying to make.

[Parama]

i mean, shadow was scummy as heck. i'm not going to take responsibility for how scummy he played. why should i?

[Parama]

you asked me

[Parama]

when have i not owned up to pushing a town lynch.

i pushed a lynch on shadow. he flipped town. what of it.

[Parama]

sorry for trying to lynch scum????

[Parama]

like that doesn't even make sense. i made a case on you because i think you're scum. how is that in any way scummy to do.

[Parama]

sorry for trying to lynch scum????

Shadow_step, who was

Town

Gentleman

, has

left

in

first dance

.

MariaR, who was

Town

Lady

, has

left

in

first dance

.

yes, i'm not that oblivious. your point please.

[Parama]

(Like I understand

I'm being some what of a hypocrite

but your mindset/thought process is NOT coming from town).

admitting to something doesn't absolve you from doing it

[Parama]

like that doesn't even make sense. i made a case on you because i think you're scum. how is that in any way scummy to do.

Because it doesn't look like you believe in half of what you're saying.

The case has no basis. It looks like it's put together more to push a mislynch than it is to try and scumhunt.

it's literally all stuff i've already said

[Parama]

(Like I understand

I'm being some what of a hypocrite

but your mindset/thought process is NOT coming from town).

admitting to something doesn't absolve you from doing it

????????????

Is your next part of the case gonna be "SAD is a hypocrite - lynch all hypocrites".

Wtf is your point.

you can't admit that you're doing something hypocritical and then just dismiss it by acknowledging it. you still did it either way.

[Parama]

right, arguing with you two is a true waste of my time since i feel like you're both just ignoring me and going "lol scum" instead so i'm gonna go do literally anything else for now

[Parama]

^^^^^

[Parama]

if pie/smith and me/hs were the last two pairs alive i'd lynch them, but otherwise pie/smith is a decent shot for a t/t pair

i still think jester/mds as t/t is more likely though, especially if sad flips scum

[Parama]

It's like you're having a private competition with yourself to one up every previous post you made with a more scummy one.

it's only scummy if you think mds in particular is scum with one of pie/smith.

do you think this is the case?

[Parama]

an analysis of parama's read progression on cerb:

186 implies cerb being scum is unlikely
435 'Cerb is town because shadow scumslipped it' (this continues for 1500 posts)
1901 'Cerb is obvtown because of his posts'
2522 'I don't agree with HS reading Cerb as scum'
later just before the shadow lynch he changed his mind to 'eeehhhhhhhhhhhhh cerb might be scum'

parama's 'shadow scumslip' relies on shadow being scum who knows that cerb is town, yet he sits on the shadow wagon whilst also privately going along with my retarded cerb scumread to pocket me

if parama is town i will lose my mind D:

i mean i really did not like this post:

Naw Parama, just had a stupid gut suspicion regarding both of you honestly, which I was never able to go research so fuck it, I'm happy with you gone.

Plus you're the pair who, as a whole, will remove the most bloat from the game. :p

i still really do not like this post tbh it's like awful

[Parama]

that's a -lot- of suspicion towards arthur and not a lot towards parama

gee willikers it's almost like arthur is the scum

[Parama]

Vedith was scumreading Arthur pretty hard.
Another nugget of info from Vedith.

Kagami - I keep trying to see a reason to see Kagami as scum, but I really don't see it. If it ever fell to no scum in me/Gamma/Maria/Shadow then Kagami would be number 1 choice in my books, but as I strongly believe there is scum in our 2 pairs, Kagami seems like a solid town for me.

i'm sorry i ever said anything bad about vedith he was obvtown and his reads were on point
shame he had to suicide because of gamma

[Parama]

Need to think about this and reread. Weekend is crazy so far.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: jester-mds

Thought they were L-1 or 2

holy crap kill this with fire

okay yeah
calling it now: MDS/Jester T/T 100%
SAD + Kagami + smith I guess?

[Parama]

okay fair enough then
if smith is town, is it scummy?

[Parama]

okay fair enough then
if smith is town, is it scummy?

Well it's def anti-town. Too many people are going "mhsmith/pie are the town pair lets just lynch through the rest of the player list" making me think scum are trying to propel them easily to endgame while looking like they're making townie idea by identifying a town pair. It puts little effort into actually scumhunting but masks itself as ~contribution~.

Why can't it just be that MDS townreads the pair? Like if MDS was townreading the pair and nobody else was, would it still be scummy?

[Parama]

misreading the chain of events, smith. kagami jumped off the wagon 'cause she thought it was near a lynch, then hopped right back on when she realized it wasn't. you're misreading.

also i don't know what spewing means in this context

[Parama]

Why can't it just be that MDS townreads the pair? Like if MDS was townreading the pair and nobody else was, would it still be scummy?

???

What are you even saying? That didn't happen THIS game. In an alternative universe where MDS has been scumhunting, has have valid reasons for her mhsmith-pie read, and has came up with an original idea of mhsmith/pie as the town pair, then I would not have called out MDS as scumny for the post. But even then the idea would still be anti-row.

The problem is that's not the reality of THIS game. I don't look at single posts, but a person's posts on a whole and the flow of the game.

Like I seriously have no idea wtf you're trying to get out of your line of questioning. Are you just asking random things? Or are you in favor of blindly lynching everyone but the mhsmith-pie pair? If it's the latter make it clear now, take a stance without being waffly.

so its 100% scummy by association, got it.

...nope. see it.

also i've already said this but i'm totally up for blindly lynching everyone but my own pair as i'm confident HS is town

[Parama]

between kagami's push and arthur's push on the pair, i do think they're very likely town, yes

[Parama]

@dunn still waiting for your arguments against HS

[Parama]

likewise @ HS still waiting for your reasons why SAD is town

[Parama]

i've skimmed everything posted since last night but honestly i can't be bothered to actually read and comment right now. i'm preparing for vacation and then i'm gonna be limited access for a week lol

points of note: dunn is making his pair look even worse by pushing the blindingly, stunningly blatant townie HS who only continues to make moves that make absolutely zero sense coming from scum (the complete reevaluation of SAD after basically dismissing him as town is just, why would scum even bother, especially since practically everyone else seems to townread him)

uuhhh actually that's about the only thing i remember worth commenting on.

[Parama]

I am 100% against sad living to endgame because I'd like to win and that goes in direct opposition to a town win

I'll try to make actual content posts tonight or something but this bears repeating: sad is the immediate next lynch once our pair flips town, got it? pie can screw off with her plan tbh

[Parama]

HS and Parama both want sad/scout gone
Remember that in the reality that we both flip town
Also please lynch us

I'm fine with leaving if that happens, I guess

After pie/smith die.

no

[Parama]

hang on a second.

does Dunn/Jester/SAD make sense? I think Kagami suggested this earlier but ugh I need to look at it again because if mhsmith is town and HS/Parama is town then the HS/Parama lynch is a game throw.

no it doesnt. Sad and Jester aren't scum together. No way.

[Parama]

god i have like 17 pages to try and catch up on

well alright

[Parama]

I think there's scum in parma-HS and I think it would clear things up seeing which it is.

it bothers me that you keep repeating and i'd really like to know which of us in particular you think is scum
i mean i see you pushing HS a lot more than me but then you go "well parama might be scum anyways so yolo if i'm wrong"
what happens if the pair flips T/T? what would you do then? throw up your hands and go "welp"

[Parama]

i'm terrified jester/mds will flip t/t because a tilted jester who is just sick of this game becomes more realistic the more i think about it
in that situation mds acting lynchbaity isn't even unrealistic because maybe she just wants out of the game without ruining it by replacing. in fact that becomes more realistic the more i think of it.

honestly it wouldn't surprise me at this point. wouldn't consider it out of the realm of possibility esp. if i'm wrong about one of kagami/sad (one is a potential bus, two is just a mislynch)

please don't blindly lynch jester/mds next and hand scum the game. thank you.

[Parama]

WHERE THE HELL ARE ALL THE SCUM IF JESTER/MDS IS A TOWN/TOWN PAIR AND PARAMA IS ALSO TOWN???

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON

sad/kagami/smith, i'm telling you

[Parama]

parama has said some things that just don't make sense coming from scum, and was townread by far more dead townies than Arthur.

Oh right you made this point earlier and I forgot to comment on it. (1) But idk why you're trying to insinuate? (2) Vedith/Gamma died because Vedith left dance, I had a Shadow scumread wayyyy before Shadow or Maria scumread me, and Nahdia-Cerb died because half IC pair. (3) Like even if I were scum and in a similar situation I would have killed Nahdia-Cerb because they're IC pair, not because they're scumreading me. (4) I don't get ~scared~ of people scumreading me, I actually enjoy it a lot more because it lets me interact with people and better figure out their alignments (hence why I hate being IC).

the tone of this is more defensive than it should be if sad was town. like, added some numbers
1) wtf are you saying
2) they didn't die because they townread parama
3) but if I WAS scum i'd have killed them anyways
4) btw i totally don't care if you scumread me

what's the story here

[Parama]

yeah i'm just trying to make the posts that most feel worth making.
if i have something i feel i need to say i'll say it otherwise it's just clutter
tbh i'm not reading your long posts anyways i don't have the time for longposting :/

[Parama]

What is parama at?

Only me and Dunn I believe are on her since HS unvoted and then voted me-scout.

A lot of people have been calling out her weird and terrible posting today, but they don't vote her, which is worrying and annoying me.

"maybe i won't be able to push the mislynch of the most threatening player to scum after all!" ~sad

maybe it's just people are thinking things through and removing the rose colored glasses to realize, oh hey, parama's freakin' right about sad and we shouldn't be ignoring them

i kind of feel like scum thought they had a free ride to endgame by pushing me & jester and now it's being met with resistance by the town and everything's falling apart.

[Parama]

but I'm open to leaving as soon as we can agree to a high confidence T-T pair.

I'm going to remember this for later.

same. @ everyone bookmark this post tbh

[Parama]

4390 thru 4392 is actually really gross though.

what's the rush, dunn, honey?

[Parama]

That said, I still have to play to my wincon. And I really believe Parama is by far the best lynch today, her opening to this day seems fabricated, her overall push on me reeks of scum trying to push a mislynch now (even if it will end up in a death for her after my flip - I think scum are afraid of me/scout endgaming them as a town/town pair that will be hard to lynch during lylo).

See, this theory makes no sense. If I was scum pushing a T/T pair... why is nobody backing me up on it? Wouldn't there be, like, y'know, another scum somewhere? Helping push the pair? Trying to convince their partner that you're scum? But that's clearly not happening.

p-edit: pie gonna be straight with you. point me right to it or i'm gonna have no bloody clue what you want me to look at

[Parama]

He's probably at work, you know how he works 18 hours a day sometimes? So tragic!

wow okay this is seriously just petty
like if you're not being sarcastic here (this really strongly comes off as sarcasm imo) then it's fine but otherwise
like wow

[Parama]

before I commit to Parama, there is one thing I want to be sure of.

@inspectorscout:

please confirm to me that you do not think me/mhsmith is a scum/scum pair. looking through your

I ask because if Parama/HS flips town I probably would just want to agree to their perspective and let MDS/Jester live to the end, and if that's is town pair, the only way this loses is if Kagami/Dunn is a scum/scum pair and the remaining lynches are done out of order.

solve the problem, sad -> kagami -> smith is my preferred lynch order anyways

[Parama]

addendum: if dunn is the scum in the kagami/dunn pair i'd probably reconsider my townread on mds/jester slightly. i only really have smith there by poe & i don't think there are any scum/scum pairs

[Parama]

At this point you're literally just doing the thing where you go through the thread look at my posts and try to find something wrong with them to paint me with, which is extremely bad and raises huge redflags. Like you're not trying to figure out any else's alignment, you're just trying to push your terrible scum agenda.

i mean, if i was just responding to your posts, or responding to every single one of your posts to try and find something scummy, sure you'd have a point i guess

[Parama]

the ironic thing is that sad is taking the time to do the exact thing he's just accused me of

but carry on

[Parama]

HS and Parama both want sad/scout gone
Remember that in the reality that we both flip town
Also please lynch us

quoted for emphasis

[Parama]

hang on a second.

does Dunn/Jester/SAD make sense? I think Kagami suggested this earlier but ugh I need to look at it again because if mhsmith is town and HS/Parama is town then the HS/Parama lynch is a game throw.

no it doesnt. Sad and Jester aren't scum together. No way.

i take this back btw but only in the scenario where kagami isn't scum, if sad & kagami are both scum this stands