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Wow, I went fishing and the game filled and started.
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Why say it's blank?In post 312, Expedience wrote:I changed my mind, don't think nc is scum any more.
VOTE: SirCakez (this is effectively a blank vote)
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I'd suggest not counting them, but up to you.In post 321, Frozen Angel wrote:
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UNVOTE:
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Multiball you say? Size of game suggests it's a possibility but you seem pretty confident.In post 378, Killthestory wrote:hey nero since this is multiball are u sure ur not scum either tbh?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Kinda early for that unless you think we already have someone in the "better dead" category.In post 429, DiamondSentinel wrote: I thought this was a vig announcement. That'd have been extremely interesting...
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I removed the color so that I can actually read them. Without doing that, very little chance.
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With the common thread being most (all?) of the people on the list have low post counts, this is aIn post 1382, The Ascended Masters wrote:In the meantime while I'm dreaming of ending this day within a reasonable amount of time, I'd like to hear fancy reads (if you have special reasons for killing them or you'd argue their wagon if it popped up) on these people:
1. randomidget
5. Space Dandy [Hydra of Varsoon and Shiro]
6. DrippingGoofball
7. Albert B. Rampage
8. Road Kamelot
11. Mirhawk
14. Klingoncelt
15. Vedith
18. grapes
20. SirCakez
23. PeregrineV
24. davesaz
29. Nosferatu
32. Giovanni il Pellegrinoscumpoint of view.
The #1 reason to lynch is obv scum. If you don't have obv scum, the #2 reason is information.
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I've looked at your posts after this point and noticed something interesting.
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Fuck off.
Lynching without information is scum motivated.
Period.
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At this point I don't know, but damn sure not anyone on Nacho's list, yet.In post 1480, kraska77 wrote: Who do you want to lynchWanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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TBH I don't know yet if it's merely anti-town or actually scum driven.In post 1483, Expedience wrote: When you say scum-motivated, do you mean that you think The Ascended Masters is more likely to be scum, or just that they are doing anti-town things?
We're given two ears and one mouth for a reason. I prefer listening to talking, and get really upset when people don't respect that.
Pedit: DS please answer my other recent post that was directed toward you.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Regarding the whining about short wagons -- Is it even beyond 48 hours yet? What's the big rush?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Please point to said "everything" he's done. Quotes preferable.In post 1518, DiamondSentinel wrote:
I have nothing more than he's (again) done everything shy of claiming scum.In post 1471, davesaz wrote:I've looked at your posts after this point and noticed something interesting.
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Also what's this (again) thing you refer to? Help those of us who have never seen a post by Zanos prior to this game.
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Nero, can you do me a favor and pick one of those to give a reason for?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Not taking your word for it, obviously.In post 1548, Klingoncelt wrote:
I'm Town,
Grapes is a Miller,
Giovanni il Pellegrino is replacing out,
Space Dandy is a dandy kind of guy, no way can that hydra be lynched today,
and then there's the unusually quiet Albert B. Rampage... hmm...
Grapesclaimedmiller, which is enough for now...
Space Dandy... who? I feel really suspicious of any assumption that someone is unlynchable though.
ABR hasn't just been quiet, he's been absent. Which is one of the factors often overlooked when looking at just post count.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Odds are high that at least one scum is in your list.In post 1521, SpyreX wrote:The Collective:
Masters
SpyreX
Rb
KTS
Skrub
DS
Cakez
Pisskop
Vifam
I think that's a pretty damn good start. Lets use it like a sword
Odds are somewhat higher that the person who proclaims the townblock is scum.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Is this a reply to KlingonCelt? That's what I'd assume, but if not then what is it in reply to?In post 1556, SpyreX wrote:If you actually believe this then we truly are at the gates of hell abandon all hopes ye who entered hereWanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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The chance of scum in a random collection of 25% of the playerlist is almost 100%. In fact it may even be more than 100% (I'm being a bit lazy and not bothering to compute it), though the number itself is meaningless other than as a guide.SpyreX wrote: P.s. i really want to see the data backing up your 'odds' there
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Umm, who are you ranting about?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I've seen a lot of scum pushing themselves as part of town blocks. Town don't usually bother to push a town block because a group of people who mutually town read each other is usually self evident.
Would it bother you as much if I said "in my experience the person pushing the town block is more likely to be scum, if there is one"?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I was actually referring to 1566. Weeks to get a lynch on whom? (or weeks to get a lynch at all??)In post 1569, Expedience wrote:
People not quicklynching in the first few days of the thread opening, and lurkers and cerberusesIn post 1567, davesaz wrote:Umm, who are you ranting about?
Although I think it's a bit extreme, I'm not unvoting because I don't want to get yelled at. We should at least wait for most of the people on Nacho's list to become readable imo.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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You could try actually answering questions that people ask you to try to determine your alignment.In post 1578, DiamondSentinel wrote:Honestly, I'm just already bored to shit out of my mind.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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VOTE: DiamondSentinel
Blatantly ducking giving any reason for votes.
I'm not against voting MoZ but thewhyis rather mysterious to me.Whatare they doing / not doing which makes them scum?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Evidently you're not reading?In post 1651, pisskop wrote: cerbrus, abr, davesaz fuggin do something sometim, kthnxWanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I'm caught up with current events but have not had a chance to investigate anything from yesterday.
Mathblade's suspicions all look quite genuine. If the inputs to that logic are correct then the conclusions seem very valid.
SpyreX, did you ever give a case on Maker yesterday, or did you just push that lynch for lols? I could check myself but it's more fun inviting you to elaborate.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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And trying to discredit too.In post 1905, MathBlade wrote:Because SpyreX is misrepping the situation I care.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Before you put a chip on your shoulder, best to check if it's a buffalo chip.SpyreX wrote:He really got my goat what can i say. Said i was a troll i never.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Who are you voting for?In post 1965, DiamondSentinel wrote:I'm going to vote for who I really see as scumWanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Not a smart move. Never hand possible scum an alibi on a silver platter, make them at least work to figure out what role they'd need to claim.In post 1973, PJ. wrote:Without hardclaiming, can kraska tell us if she is some kind of paranoid "bomb" owner? That's really all I need. Otherwise I'm cool with seeing us switch gears and go after mirhawk or davesaz.
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This seems pretty appeasy and unnecessary.In post 2165, Skrub wrote:If you're gonna make such a big deal about it then I'll vote mirhawk.
VOTE: mirhawk
I don't get what the big deal was. It still makes more sense to me to do it the other way around, but whateverWanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Kraska, the content of your post doesn't match the vote. Plz explain.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I was really suspicious of the maker wagon, especially the lack of any real case from anyone. I've thought all along that it was likely one or two vocal scum along with a bunch of sheep.In post 2313, PeregrineV wrote:That would be the point where The Maker wagon overcame your own. Therefore, Maker was a counterwagon to you.
Next step will be to look at the posts involved in the shift. But it's very time consuming, and I hope that someone already looked at it and can give a rundown.
But I'm in the same position regarding analysis, haven't had the free time to dedicate to looking hard at it.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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What does the underlined mean?In post 2318, Skrub wrote:People saying that Moz was a counter wagon, that's dumb. People moved off of my wagon and onto that one because we hadlight image reasonsto scumread them. They were scummy as hell.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Disregard, I read it wrong.In post 2321, kraska77 wrote:
huh why not?In post 2316, davesaz wrote:Kraska, the content of your post doesn't match the vote.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I'm seeing Vedith posting things that are commentary on the wagons, but it's once removed. He made comments about the people voting on the wagons, vs. comments on the wagons themselves.
It is pretty shallow though.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I don't remember, have you given an actual reason?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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You mean those things I've been asking for and not getting replies about?In post 2339, Skrub wrote:
Legitimate reasonsIn post 2320, davesaz wrote:
What does the underlined mean?In post 2318, Skrub wrote:People saying that Moz was a counter wagon, that's dumb. People moved off of my wagon and onto that one because we hadlight image reasonsto scumread them. They were scummy as hell.
Specific. Quotable. Reasons. Not merely "scummy as hell".
If you can't provide evidence, then it's not legitimate.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Trimming things down a bit...
What's horrible about calling a post OMGUS?In post 1141, Skrub wrote:Sure. He's wagon hopping like crazy, and when the wagon formed on him he tried way too hard to seem like he didn't care by self voting. But that just made him seem more desperate. Plus he made this horrible post earlierIn post 939, Maker_of_Zanos wrote: What is this? An OMGUS cuz I voted you? Trust me, I've made worse reads & votes before.
~Zanos
So it actually is OMGUS, eh?In post 1156, Skrub wrote:
This is weak sauce. The fact that you said you need to analyze me later implied that you voted me without even reading my posts. And then you said this vote is "better than nothing" which feels like you don't even really believe that I'm scum. This guy needs to be lynched.In post 1153, Maker_of_Zanos wrote:VOTE: Skrub
You seem to not like votes on yourself with little justification. You voted us with little justification yourself. I am not entirely sure whether you genuinely scumread us or are looking for reasons to vote us to push our wagon. Ircher mentioned in the PT that Town need to look for genuine scumminess, be more open minded, and stop voting us for reasons that don't hold water.
I will analyse Skrub more later when I have more time but I already scumread this slot and this vote is better than nothing.
~Maker
I read those exact same Maker posts as town. Got anything else?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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My standard of reasoning is being able to point to something a player does, and explain why it is scummy.
Not merely say it's scummy.
Not merely say they're doing scummy things.
Back then, I did not see that kind of reasoning. And I don't see it now. It's missing the why.
But I understand that there are some people who don't expect this.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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So much discussion of people who should be vigged. Are those serious or just wishful thinking?Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Hmm, huge slowdown.
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I looked at KTS iso, and found plenty of empty drivel and no attempt to find scum.
I'm willing to see where that goes.
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DGB beetlejuiced pretty hard, definitely gonna withhold judgment there.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I kinda agree with this point.In post 2867, Expedience wrote:
When scum accuse town they discredit without caring about distinguishing between town or scum, she describes my post as both idiocy and a scumtell. I can't be both but in both cases what I'm saying about her is untrue. And being upset only meshes with me being an idiot. She's upset because I gave a poorly explained but correct read.In post 2736, Klingoncelt wrote:In post 2500, Expedience wrote:
But Klingoncelt claimed scumIn post 2499, pisskop wrote:id be okay with gentle klingy, ari, or rk pressure as well.
arislot has done fuckall this game and a huggyfeely wallpost or three doesnt change that.
klingy is ditto - but for old meta i can give it a pass for now
rk is inconsistent or not transparent enough. take a pick
Oh, and Expedience lied about me claiming Scum.
I never claimed Scum, because I'm not.
Even if I were I wouldn't.
For that idiocy you should be policy lynched.
But you're Scum so we'll lynch you for being Scum.
Lying Scum.
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The correct statement is there could be scum in our hood. It's not a masonry, but no guarantee there is scum either.In post 2931, mhsmith0 wrote:
Panzer and davesaz: you guys agree withIn post 2928, Expedience wrote:
It's Vifam (formerly), Mathblade, Mirhawk, Panzer, davesazIn post 2923, mhsmith0 wrote:^i.e. the list of people in the hood
?In post 2903, MathBlade wrote:3) There is scum in our hood and Mirhawk keeps insisting it is not the case and posting terribad bullshit in there.
Neither of you have seemed interested in pushing Mirhawk in thread so I'm curious if you agree with math's take here, or if you think they're just wrong, or if you think they're bullshitting.
I think the sensible approach is to consider lynching the last one standing after the rest are NK'd, unless there is some town confirmation before that point.
The only rush lynching within the hood would be to clear it for safe conversation, which I would not call a priority.
Of course if we had an actual guilty and not circumstantial evidence, I'd be on that already.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Confirm Mirhawk made a comment about faking being interested in the game. But it's not clear he's the scum (if any).
Agree that, if Kraska has a role which matches the kill it would make sense to claim that earlier. I pointed out someone who appeared to be coaching her on what to say, and her claim came after that coaching. Which makes me wonder whether it's a fakeclaim, and after Gistou it would not surprise me in the slightest if FA provides scum with a flavor fakeclaim.
My playstyle works best when there are big wagons, preferably big changes in big wagons. If y'all would please assist with running one or more people up I'd be grateful.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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VOTE: TAM
Didn't think this was viable before but I took a lot of their D1 content as LAMIST without actually doing anything. They're still not doing anything.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Oh good, it's up and stayed up.
I thought the previous question was whether it's better to lynch active vs lurker.
But in either case, it's not an issue of info vs. no info, it's an issue of more info vs. less info.
Pedit: and I took too long, conversation has moved on.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I agree with this, but I'm not sure if it's insightful or merely obvious.In post 3954, Expedience wrote:There's a difference between town who don't give a fuck and scum who are trying to look like town who don't give a fuck. The latter wave it in everyone's faces (e.g. 2774) and blatantly try to hide behind it (e.g. 3809). The fact that Nosferatu does this openly just makes it easier to see because he thinks wifom will protect him
Nonetheless,
VOTE: Nosferatu
TAM could still be scum, Nacho is good enough to appear town. But I like them a lot more now and it's not like this is a now or never situation.
I'd be willing to vote Kraska because PGO is something that scum can claim to try to stay alive, especially if MB though that's unclear atm.
Skrub's reaction looked vaguely town, though I have seen scum pull off a reversal in exactly the same way.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I'm pretty sure that Nero is doing lots of other stuff. Where do you get "pushing KTS exclusively" from?In post 3980, Expedience wrote:Nero is scum for continuing to push KTS exclusively based on thisWanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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Has this changed? My guess is not.In post 2603, davesaz wrote:I looked at KTS iso, and found plenty of empty drivel and no attempt to find scum.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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The "other than shot" kill flavorscouldbe SK, or even vigs. In which case they are not mafia and don't have guns.
If conclusion jumping were an Olympic sport we'd have some gold medalists here.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I had kraska as likely fakeclaim, and panzer had slipped that poison was confirmed which had me questioning him. I was quiet about both of those, especially in the bebop, because I had private plans to deal with it later.
Whether I would have been able to swing town on those opinions is a different question to which I have no answer.
And pre /in for next.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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I'm crazy to do so, but confirm /pre.Wanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord-
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ebwop i'm crazy because i'm already in 3 games
makes a whole lot more sense with the reasonWanna play Minecraft with your ms friends? Check out the minecraft thread, or the channel on discord
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