Dragon Age Mafia [Game Over]

[shaddowez]

Is nobody going to mention the fact that Feralden doesn't actually exist as a place?

Orlais needs some love.

Join: Orlais

[shaddowez]

shaddowez is scummy

I don't line the time you're taking with me. You're just jealous

[shaddowez]

Next person that misspells Ferelden is autoscum.

[shaddowez]

Why tho?

Was that actually directed at anyone in particular?

[shaddowez]

I don't care anyone in tevinter and orlais is suspicious

Why do you say that?

[shaddowez]

I don't care anyone in tevinter and orlais is suspicious

Why do you say that?

Though I have a pretty good idea of what you'll say

So please don't make me say it

Perhaps I'll just ask redundant questions all game. (My browser likes to not show me p-edits fairly often)

[shaddowez]

Anyone against me joining feralden?

I really hate antiva

Anyone against me joining feralden?

I really hate antiva

Why do you feel the need to ask?

Dunn asked it much nicer than I was going to. Why are you concerned what other people think of your nation pick this early?

[shaddowez]

It would have made sense if I was townreading foxbeebird

I think I need sleep - I read that as foxbeard.

I'm feeling good about half my nation - the other half needs to actually do stuff instead of just joining Orlais and lurking out.

[shaddowez]

It would have made sense if I was townreading foxbeebird

Do you think you'd get a better or worse read from someone by being in a hood with them? Considering it'd only be night chat in Antiva, you'd get a different POV than the rest of the game. Why avoid that nation?

[shaddowez]

Do you think you'd get a better or worse read from someone by being in a hood with them?

Pseudo-mason night chat is pretty dope

Your actions and your words seem to have some sort of weird disconnect.

P-Edit: What Foxbeesnailelephant said

[shaddowez]

I wasn't lurking unless you can do that from a bed without looking at the thread.

I chose Orlais because I wanna use the PT for extra scumhunting (so day/night-chat) and because I thought Kingmaker would help me form reads but I just realized that I have no idea how it is going to work.

Shiro town, Dunn weaktown so far, Fbbb feels town to as well as Titus-hydra and probably some other people too but I just read up on 20 pages so I don't remember anymore.

Orlais - day/night chat where Warden is chosen by Kingmaker which is random and secret.
Tevinter - day/night chat where Warden is chosen by open vote in the nation.

If you're trying to use the nation for more scum hunting, why wouldn't you choose the nation with more openness?

[shaddowez]

I imagine there's no reason for us to not disclose when we're Kingmaker...guess that could be something to work with

[shaddowez]

@Mod - V/LA over weekends, back on Monday

~Noted

[shaddowez]

Now I remember why I don't join large games....I'm reading and doing a catch up now. Does anyone have any direct questions for me while I'm doing so?

[shaddowez]

As an FYI, I'll probably be doing stream of consciousness posts as I catch up, so a lot of stuff may be answered later in posts.

This is through page 30 - I hope to get to more today, but no promises.

ABR, can I visit your temple of wisdom of infinite reads? I see none and you usually don't mind cracking heads. What's up?

Do you have a read on ABR here based on what you're seeing versus what you expect? This feels like you're insinuating he's scum since it's not what you're used to without outright saying it.

Are you guys excited to be in a pt with DUNNSTRAL

After what happened last time?

No

I did not utilize the pt because I was scum in that game

Yeah, I don't like this. Self-meta is terrible, meta from one game is terrible, and using an action that easily changeable is terrible.

are ya'll RVS'ing?

There's already been 25 pages of stuff - why would you ask if people are still RVSing? Wouldn't asking directly about reads make more sense?

Join Orlais

Why are you voting Feelmi Udders?

This is their only post in the entire game.

What do you think about the specific nation they joined, considering that was their only post all game?

VOTE: iraonavp

Why the vote on ira? He seemed to be town read by quite a few people at this point, and I don't buy RVS at this point.

Reaction fish time.

VOTE: Albert B. Rampage

Where's the beef? It's what's for dinner.

~Titus

If you actually intended this as a reaction test, why would you say so in the first place?

VOTE: iraonavp

Why are you voting me?

I find it suspicious and slightly scum-aligned that you would just vote me without mentioning me at all or giving any reason.

This is their first(ish) post after the actual day started, and the only vote on you. Why do you seem so concerned about this vote?

Ooh will I be the first wagon of the day? Cool. More votes on me please.

I said I was already developing townreads. I don't feel comfortable outing all of those very soon because I know my alignment and I don't want my stances being copied. So I'm going to see how this day develops, and if you just read my posts my reads will become clear sooner or later. That's how I work. I don't do lists. If you don;t like it, lynch me.

Ahw.

I'm btw not that worried about being copied, more about being influenced too much. And giving too much away will just give scum more opportunities to play me. Which plenty of you have seen me fall for in the past.

Regardless of how you put out reads, more information is more better for town. We have to convince each other why somebody may or may not be scum - not sharing that info does nothing to help us. You may look at something differently than I do, which would both further discussion and maybe sway one of our reads.

Then, you go and literally contradict yourself. So, which is it? You don't want your stances copied, or you're not worried about them being copied?

VOTE: Dunnstral

I think he had scum-aligned and vulture-like circling of Masquerade, which was not scumhunting but trying to make Masquerade look bad.

What are your reads on Masquerade here?

[shaddowez]

shit, how do I keep forgetting you are in this game shadows?

Because game started on Friday and I'm V/LA on weekends

[shaddowez]

Up to Page 35

Boring is boring. We're both relatively new and plan to give you as many headaches as possible all game

BB? I think role-fishing is definitively scummy, there's no town motivation to do it from my POV. Or rather, the town motivation to note out roles obviously outweights town curiosity. The only question is whether or not they were actually role-fishing imo.

Are you saying this for every situation? So a doctor that knows there's a cop in the game? Or a bodyguard for any other PR? While I agree in general it's a bad idea, I wouldn't say that attempting to determine roles can never be town aligned.

I'm disagreeing about scumhunting the pregame.

I'm going to jet outta here. We're dominating the public chat.

~Titus

Why don't you think anything from pregame was worth investigating? You think everything said there was NAI?

Not feeling good about Feelmi Udders saying nothing

While I don't disagree, was this worth an entire post, rather than interacting with any of the people that are saying things?

I'm atm not too sure about yellowbaron and I think Biebierboys are town. I could do a 100 percent lynch.

Any insight as to why you have any of these reads?

I could do a 100 percent lynch.

Why?

Their posts are terrible.

Any reason you jumped in and answered this instead of letting Masq answer?

VOTE: Dunnstral

I need to talk to my other head.

If you feel it necessary to tell us you have to talk to your other head, why lay down a vote like that?

100 percent isn't in the group of players I'm developing townreads on currently and I would rather lynch him than ABR currently. I have no decent read on ABR either but my gut tells me it's better to keep him around over 100 percent.

So are 100 and ABR the only non-town reads you had?

Feelmi, how much mafia have you played?

How is this relevant to their previous two posts?

Shit I'm running late :/

VOTE: Dunnstral wagon time.

So in 803 it's 100 percent or ABR, and now it's Dunn as a wagon hop. Reasons? Anything?

[shaddowez]

Shadow do you have any reads for us? That wall was mostly questioning.

he's not caught up you toolbag

From where he did catch up to you toolbag

I loled a little at this exchange.

I have a couple of reads, but mind you these are extremely subjective to change since I'm still 30ish pages behind.

I'm leaning scum on Masq and M&S
FU needs to actually post, so I've got a lurkerscum read there
yellowbaron and FC are town leans.

Everybody else is null and/or I need to parse more still.

[shaddowez]

FU needs to actually post, so I've got a lurkerscum read there

Why lurker

scum

?

The posts that I have seen so far have been devoid of any content. You can lurk and post just enough to avoid prods, but still engage or provide some insight when you do post.

Shadow do you have any reads for us? That wall was mostly questioning.

he's not caught up you toolbag

From where he did catch up to you toolbag

I loled a little at this exchange.

I have a couple of reads, but mind you these are extremely subjective to change since I'm still 30ish pages behind.

I'm leaning scum on Masq and M&S
FU needs to actually post, so I've got a lurkerscum read there
yellowbaron and FC are town leans.

Everybody else is null and/or I need to parse more still.

Well since you're reading. You have the context backwards. I absolutely think the Pregame was relevant. I was objecting to someone claiming it wasn't.

Ah, you were responding to yb in 776 - my apologies, didn't put those two together at first. In that case:

yellowbaron

- Do you think nation joining was the only thing that could be analyzed in the pregame? Isn't looking at every interaction in the game the only way to determine motivations and knowledge level?

[shaddowez]

Not completely caught up, but got a few highlights. I'll put a fruit into chat tonight to confirm the rb/tbb mason claim.

I'm not going to claim my warden ability yet, but I will say that I'm fairly certain it's not unique. I don't think wet can use that as a tell.

Are all wardens chosen? Hammer should not be dropped until that is done. I'll call intent if so

[shaddowez]

rb already answered, but no I was not warden

Previous posting says you do.
Hammer time.

VOTE: Albert B. Rampage

Are you a double voter? Last VC has him at L-2

P-edit

- Holding off on my vote

[shaddowez]

Previous posting says you do.
Hammer time.

VOTE: Albert B. Rampage

Was this actually a hammer?
If so my vote will not go through...

What vote?

[shaddowez]

I don't see anything interesting here other than why would Abr pick claimed protective for warden.

I didn't claim protective, I said my role was weak early game in nation - then to my surprise I got wardened

Which makes sense with a scum Kingmaker

[shaddowez]

VOTE: ABR

That's L-1. Somebody hammer

[shaddowez]

rb was Kingmaker last night, not Warden. I'm not sure who he made Warden, though I'm guessing it was Masq/DGB. Since it doesn't matter anymore, and I'm not sure if there's x number of each type of role, I was a cop (aligned with darkspawn/aligned with Thedas).

Luna

- do you think Shiro would have claimed redirector but lied about who she used it on?

Similar question to anyone voting Luna - do you think she would be brazen enough to outright lie about a guilty? I know rb was willing to entertain that idea, as I asked in the hood and he was the only one to answer.

[shaddowez]

Someone from Orlais needs to confirm who there warden was n1

The only person that can confirm who our warden was is the warden. Both the Kingmaker and the Warden are done secretly.

D1 - ABR claimed Kingmaker
N1 - rb claimed Warden
D2 - rb claimed Kingmaker
N2 - DGB unclaimed Warden (rb couldn't name himself, and it wasn't me)

[shaddowez]

Someone from Orlais needs to confirm who there warden was n1

The only person that can confirm who our warden was is the warden. Both the Kingmaker and the Warden are done secretly.

D1 - ABR claimed Kingmaker
N1 - rb claimed Warden
D2 - rb claimed Kingmaker
N2 - DGB unclaimed Warden (rb couldn't name himself, and it wasn't me)

Actually, I lied - the Kingmaker could also out the warden, but both of our Kingmakers are now dead.

[shaddowez]

Luna

, are you a Templar?

[shaddowez]

RR is also a redirector.

I am a battlemage and so is he

The battlemage flipped commuter :/

ABR was a blood mage, not a battle mage

[shaddowez]

Someone in Orlais needs to confirm ABR was warden because I have trouble seeing him not claim that day 2.

^ This as well, he only came to self hammer which makes no sense if Titu's theory was right

How many times do I have to say this...

The only people that can confirm warden in Orlais are the warden themself and the Kingmaker

Nobody counter-claimed ABR as Kingmaker, I am outright saying I was not, and FU and rb are both dead so they can't speak up. The only other person that could offer any info would be DGB.

[shaddowez]

Titus is suggesting that

RB was the kingmaker and he somehow had a silent agreement to cover up for abr claiming it and then they had another silent agreement to claim reverse warden as well

That's all well and good, but people keep asking for Orlais to confirm. There is

NO

way to do so.

[shaddowez]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

If that is the case though and we can assume that darkspawn do pick(cause tbh, to my experience so far, refusal to answer is a yes that cannot be stated )then I think I got the answer to this puzzle

I know this to be true.

Not the mod wifom part but the darkspawn having their own nation

Mind telling us how you're so certain?

[shaddowez]

Lynching 3 scum is worth my lynch especially if no one wants to vote you normally

Foxbeebear is town

I'd bet my life on Luna being town. In fact, I'd bet that way about all of Tevinter.

I know I'm town. I'm thinking that DGB is town, although I'm hesitant to believe that scum would allow a hood to fill up without any scum in it. With your assumption, all of the scum are in Antiva/Ferelden? Do you honestly believe that?

[shaddowez]

If you and DGB are town yes. They had zero say in Tevinter. So they throw a fit. ABR throws a fit because he wasn't in control. Same with RB.

This has perpetually been just a whine fest from them.

Huh? Who threw a fit? What do ABR and rb have to do with anything when they're both conftown? You're saying that scum was either that late to the party, or

purposefully

chose nations that didn't give them any benefits whatsoever (outside of the hood in general for Antiva)? I find that nigh impossible to believe.

P-Edit: 100Percent

- So you agree with M&S that Tevinter is entirely town?

[shaddowez]

VOTE: M&S

You're hung up on theories based on no evidence whatsoever. This also sits really poorly with me:

Luna has never seen me in a finished game. She's officially unaware that playing scum is all about building a narrative to me.

Additionally, the entire rb argument just doesn't read as TvT.

[shaddowez]

Also the fact that i even got redirected means that there's scum in Tevinter.

Right, which Titus is devoutly stating is impossible

[shaddowez]

ABR shot clears Tevinter

What ABR shot ate you even talking about? He got lynched, not NKed

You're making less and less sense. Keep digging your hole, makes our life easier.

[shaddowez]

Are, not ate. Stupid phone

[shaddowez]

Titus, I won't disagree that your theories make some sort of sense. The problem is, they're just that. Unless you're scum and

know

these scenarios took place, you can't be this confident in trying to push a lynch based on it.

[shaddowez]

There is another possibility that doesn't include rb at all, actually. It would require DGB or myself be scum.

[shaddowez]

M&S

- quick question for you just to clarify something. Well, two.

1) Did Luna announce in Hood who she was copping?
2) Do you believe the redirector specifically wanted a guilty on ABR?

[shaddowez]

These may have been answered in thread already, but I don't feel like dredging through pages just to find random posts.

[shaddowez]

So here is my theory, which paints msyelf or Masq/DGB as scum. It still involves ABR (and rb to a point) lying, but not some telepathic agreement between the two of them.

For reference, any time I use the word "know" in the following scenario means absolute truth, as in mod-confirmed.

In Orlais, the only person who knows who the Kingmaker is is the Kingmaker themself. The only people who know who the warden is are the Kingmaker (as they choose the warden) and the warden themself.

On D1, ABR claimed Kingmaker, both in thread and in the hood. There are a maximum of two people that know the truth of this - ABR himself, and if he's lying the actual Kingmaker. Nobody counter-claimed him in the hood, so there was no reason to doubt this. Both of the following scenarios point to ABR being targeted, as M&S insist happens.

Scenario 1- Assuming ABR wasn't lying, and there is scum in the hood, why would they decide to shoot a Kingmaker rather than one of the claimed wardens, especially when one of them was likely a cop?

Scenario 2 - Assuming ABR was lying about Kingmaker, somebody else was Kingmaker. If said Kingmaker was scum, they could choose ABR to be warden and then kill him, effectively negating the warden ability for Orlais that night. Since ABR had claimed cop, he was also the best option since any result he got would have been for naught since he wouldn't be able to pass it on. He was also unlikely to be protected in any manner, since he was assumed to be Kingmaker and not warden.

Now, for the final thought before my vote - immediately before ABR claimed Kingmaker in the hood, Masq says Kingmaker should out themselves in the hood but not tell us who was warden.

I'm still prone to think M&S is scum, since she is the only one insisting on an ABR shot and never bothered to think of this scenario, but I'm sure about this one.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DGB

[shaddowez]

Masq asked (this was early on, before she replaced out). DGB is her replacement.

[shaddowez]

I'm generally terrible at VCA, so take this with a grain of salt, but D1 wagons make me fairly certain that scum is DGB/RR/M&S

[shaddowez]

VOTE: Radical

I want DGB to get rope tomorrow though

[shaddowez]

VOTE: DGB

She needs rope today.

[shaddowez]

You targeted one of my very few town reads... sigh.
We are lynching M&S now.

Check out my 3945, which should practically prove that DGB is scum at this point.

In addition, look at the following D1 posts of Radical Rat's for what are almost definitely associatives:
1144
1290
1404

Unless you think Titus is more dangerous of a player, I say we lynch DGB first as an almost guaranteed scum hit.

[shaddowez]

shadow explained that yesterday actually.

Thank you for actually reading my posts - wasn't sure anybody was

[shaddowez]

VOTE: motoko and scully
she was pushing away from RR all day yesterday and I know titus doesn't like to bus

Cakez, I agree with you but vote DGB with me toDay and we'll have Titus tomorrow.

[shaddowez]

Spoiler:

@Beeboy,

Give it a god damn rest. You tried mislynching me yesterday. Scum was the counterwagon. There is no scum in Tevinter.

The buddying of Dwlee was actually a reaction test designed in the hood to see if Dwlee would notice. He didn't.

VOTE: TBB

But Dwlee said in our chat a scum Titus would start to scum read him once he starts pressuring her >_>

Scum read him well before that because he failed to react to the buddying.

dwlee wasn't even here for most of the first few days lmao

VOTE: Dunnstral

Okay, maybe he is town-aligned, I will trust the result for now.

VOTE: PeregrineV

^I'm also up for lynching this shit

~Memeo

I have to reread ira, but I don't think there's anywhere near enough steam for a wagon on him today. Let's take care of DGB, and I'm fairly certain M&S is the plan for tomorrow already.

ok sure
VOTE: dgb

I mean... wow.
That was easy to get your vote.

Vedith, trust me and sheep me on DGB. You won't regret it

[shaddowez]

Are we waiting on 2 or 3 scum here?
If two, Dunn/M&S, If three DGB could be the third.

I'm not sure we know, but I think only 3 scum is a game this large would be unusual. Anyone with more experience in setups than I can feel free to correct me, though.

I was thinking the same team as you are, but do you think Dunn would be hard defending M&S as much as he is if they're both scum?

[shaddowez]

But, I was under the impression others had already rooted out DGB as scum. Is that not the case?

I don't have any hard evidence, but based on the happenings in Orlais it makes sense that it's either her or me. She was very lackluster about the events of yesterday, as well.

[shaddowez]

Vote: DGB

This was L-2 btw.

Are you opposed to the wagon?

[shaddowez]

Luna Fox, why would you check Shiro?

I think DGB is terrible lynch because she replaced Masquerade...

A) What makes you think Masquerade was town?
B) What do you think of DGB independently? If one is a better scum player than the other, you can't base a read purely on one of the slotholders.

Oh and Dgb wagon is kinda trash.

Regardless of the wagon, what do you think of the slot? If you think DGB is town, make a case for that. Otherwise it's just a chainsaw defense.

I also don't trust Shiro isn't a Godfather. I know it's moonlogic blah blah blah but I just don't see Shiro as town.

I don't remember....are theme games allowed to have bastard roles without explicitly announcing it will have them?

[shaddowez]

They should just make redirectors and bus drivers bastard too and then ill be happy ^_^

Crap...just looked, and they already are. Theme games:

A) Are non-Normal via either game mechanics and/or roles.

So I guess Godfather is plausible

[shaddowez]

This is getting a bit off-topic, but it appears that "bastard" applies to the player with the role being lied to, not the other players. Godfather, Redirector, and Jester are not-normal roles (ie not allowed in normal games), but are not bastard. Death Miller, non-sane cops, and the like are bastard.

So, since theme games can be not normal, and we know we have redirectors, it's safe to say that there

could

be a Godfather.

[shaddowez]

Is DGB at L-1?

No she wasn't, somebody miscounted.

Speaking of -

@Mod

, can we please get a VC up?

I think DGB is slightly town-aligned...

What do you think of Shadow's mini case then.

I'd like to hear this as well.

shadowez is scum too

Then why are you not pushing a case on me, and voting not only the same person I'm voting but trying to drive the wagon on?

So, since theme games can be not normal, and we know we have redirectors, it's safe to say that there could be a Godfather.

I don't see a godfather role with a re direct role. You can basically give immunity to 2 roles all the time, it also defeats the purpose of a godfather.
It also looks like everyone has 2 shots, what are you going to do, give the Godfather 2 shots cop immunity?

I meant that in terms of allowed roles. I never said it makes sense based on setup, nor do I think with the theme any flavor works with it. Titus was the one saying that Shiro is likely a godfather

[shaddowez]

Orlais: ABR, rb, DGB, Shadow, FU
Night 1 - ABR Claimed Kingmaker - Warden Unknown
Night 2 - ??? - ??? (this was claimed somewhere but idk where, im going off memory here)
Night 3 - Orlais can't have Warden anymore.

rb claimed Kingmaker on D2, DGB claimed warden of N2 (but no flavor/abilities/results/etc)

[shaddowez]

Also does this mean that if 1 of Yume/Cakez/random is lynched Ferelden's tonight Warden is cancelled? (Not that im intending to lynch either of those 3 today, but it's an important thing to know imo)

That's correct

[shaddowez]

Thing is

ira claims investigative of sorts,Luna is a cop and Vedith is a tracker.

3 investigatives sounds a bit too much for town which is why I think Vedith miiiight be scum.

We're all 2-shots - why are 3 too much? I was a cop as well (and my flavor matched Luna, which is why I asked her if she was a Templar earlier in game). I wouldn't be surprised if there were more duplicates, if nothing else.

[shaddowez]

@Mod

- V/LA over weekend.

[shaddowez]

If were not lynching DGB, then I prefer lynching The Bieber Brothers

Do you think M&S is town?

[shaddowez]

I was lynched in Princess Bride (by scum no less) for being so townie it had to be fake and calculated

When I called the person making the case scum, and correctly, NO ONE listened and it only got me more votes

Your reactions here are absolutely nothing like they were in Princess Bride. You got to L-2 here, and weren't fighting at all.

Ego is scum. He's going for an easy lynch, since I don't want to stress out fighting lynches and have been self-hammering lately to resist the temptation.

He's in such a rush he's announcing intent to hammer when I am at L-3

I'd love to experience the joy of lynching this scum

Point 1, see above. Point 2, somebody else said you were at L-2 earlier and there had been no VC in a while, so that was just laziness of not doing his own vote checking. Point 3, then go ahead and self vote, it's a win-win!

It's confusing with all the replacements and the hydras posting with their mains in PTs, I have no idea who's who anymore but when I replaced in, I read the PT and immediately posted that "well at least ABR is town" - then someone said there's a guilty on him. Then he flipped town, OMG what was that all about again? Can someone remind me? Anyway what I really wanted to say is that ABR & rb are dead, they were the main people posting in the Orlais PT and now I'm the only one who is posting. Like, who is yellowbaron? Oh, a short-lived hydra with rb. Who is Feelmi Udders? OK was lynched day 1. Masq was me...

What are you even going on about here? Let's talk about the PT some. You have a total of 11 posts in there, half of which are you going "Doop-de-durr, what's going on?". The last 5 posts were between me and you, and basically went like this:
Me - What did you think of D1, and what did you think of Masq's actions?
DGB - I'm town, why would I read Masq. Oh, and I'm not going to give any thoughts on D1, but ABR flipped town.
Me - So what do you think now? Here are some reads of mine.
DGB - I'm basically going to ignore your question, but I still think Luna may be scum.
DGB - A two letter post that portrays absolute indifference.

Outside of the people that were lynched like Rat & Feelmi, they were suspecting Vedith and Dunnstral, Cakez.

And M&S, but I guess it's convenient to leave them out.

Are we really believing that Luna got redirected???

Motoko is reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally town. Bleeding town.

Right, the fact that we lynched a scum redirector is probably a red herring.

She's on fire and really going into the details.

I think as scum she'd like to keep things vague and leave more opportunities for confusion open.

This directly goes against what Titus herself says here.

VOTE: Cakez

LMAO LOOK AT THIS SHITTY COUNTERWAGON TO SCUM DGB AND TITUS

I doubt 3 scum wagoned me together, so Vedith is probably just town with his head up his ass (I had a scumread on him way back on day 1 but that's faded off since)

I think SirCakez is town.

But not town enough to unvote, I guess. Anyone else you care to do a 180 on?

[shaddowez]

@Shaddows how do you read DGB?

Is this a serious question?

[shaddowez]

But not town enough to unvote, I guess. Anyone else you care to do a 180 on?

I'd much rather lynch Ego, but his buddies aren't bus'ing.

I'm not sure I understand this - So you're willing to lynch somebody that you're town reading since a scum read doesn't have a wagon?

[shaddowez]

Everyone that wants to vote Yume - you realize she's being force replaced, right?

[shaddowez]

Tbb,

Masq, DGB

, iraonvp, and Yume is where the scums are most likely.

Ughhh.....I was scumreading M&S, but I'm almost positive DGB is scum. The fact that she's listing both Masq and DGB (who replaced Masq) makes me question them actually being a scum team...

[shaddowez]

Tbb,

Masq, DGB

, iraonvp, and Yume is where the scums are most likely.

Ughhh.....I was scumreading M&S, but I'm almost positive DGB is scum. The fact that she's listing both Masq and DGB (who replaced Masq) makes me question them actually being a scum team...

This is truly a conundrum!

Your main theory about Masquerade was proven as false because DGB was the warden and now you come up with more reasons after the fact, I don't know why you are so insistent...

This makes no sense. My theory revolves around Masq being Kingmaker N1....has nothing to do with her being warden. What reasons after the fact am I coming up with? What has she done that makes you think she's town?

[shaddowez]

Tbb,

Masq, DGB

, iraonvp, and Yume is where the scums are most likely.

Ughhh.....I was scumreading M&S, but I'm almost positive DGB is scum. The fact that she's listing both Masq and DGB (who replaced Masq) makes me question them actually being a scum team...

This is truly a conundrum!

Your main theory about Masquerade was proven as false because DGB was the warden and now you come up with more reasons after the fact, I don't know why you are so insistent...

This makes no sense. My theory revolves around Masq being Kingmaker N1....has nothing to do with her being warden. What reasons after the fact am I coming up with? What has she done that makes you think she's town?

No response to this?

[shaddowez]

Willing to lynch DGB or M&S

Add ira to this list and I'm with you, though

slightly

less sure on M&S now.

[shaddowez]

Ego, what do you think of DGB hard defending both M&S and ira?

[shaddowez]

DGB's contribution in the Orlais chat overnight: "I knew Titus was town, but I was townier." (paraphrased)

VOTE: DGB

[shaddowez]

shaddowez is likely mafia I think

Btw DGB is likely to be town

Hey, you guys remember how I didn't want to lynch M&S?

Remember who wanted a Titus lynch, and then thought about it after she slipped and didn't vote her again...Oh right, me.

[shaddowez]

Hey Dunn, why didn't you vote anyone at all D3?

[shaddowez]

Creature, you conveniently left this post of mine out of 4786

Tbb,

Masq, DGB

, iraonvp, and Yume is where the scums are most likely.

Ughhh.....I was scumreading M&S, but I'm almost positive DGB is scum. The fact that she's listing both Masq and DGB (who replaced Masq) makes me question them actually being a scum team...

[shaddowez]

Hey Dunn, why didn't you vote anyone at all D3?

Hey remember that part where a cop checked me and shiro

That doesn't give you a pass to do shit all for the rest of the game

[shaddowez]

Hey Dunn, you around?

[shaddowez]

One question and then I'm off to bed -

If you were scum, would you sacrifice one of your buddies if it would nearly conftown one or two other buddies?

Nero

- I'd like you to answer this as well, after Dunn.

[shaddowez]

@Mod

- I will be V/LA through Tuesday 9/5 for the long weekend.

[shaddowez]

These are

NOT

my buddies

3. Motoko and Scully (Titus + hebichan) Tevinter Imperium
4. Dunnstral Tevinter Imperium
11. Shiro Antiva
12. yellowbaron (rb + boring) Rb Orlais
13. Masquerade DrippingGoofball Orlais
14. Frizzy Cola Ferelden
19. Albert B. Rampage Orlais
20. Feelmi Udders Orlais *

Even if you edit the URL to get the thread ID instead of the post ID, it's still not possible to see it since I'm not in the scum-aligned topic...

Also, I think that NEROCAIN is telling the truth in 4885.

All but two of the players in this list were already dead and townflipped - DGB and Dunn (who died that night). While I'm hesitant to believe there's a nation with no scum in it, Nero either lied about DGB here or is framing me. I don't like the idea of it, but I'm willing to consider there being no scum in Orlais based on this. He could also be lining up two lynches, assuming the town lynches DGB after my town flip.

And I think we should lynch golden009/Luna for the fake guilty on ABR.

And shaddowez.

This push from somebody who can't even read pronouns, btw.

VOTE: shadowez

I like this more but Cakez is also a good lynch.

my problem with Cakez is that he has been town reading us all game and I get the feeling he has been posturing to mislynch us D:
Too bad we are still obv town af.

I kind of want to lynch in {sircakez, random, creature} because they are all decent lynches and I want to disable there warden voting powers so Antiva can become the ruling state.

I'm having a hard time following this progression. Your first post you vote me but say Cakez would be good; your second post you actually have a reason to vote Cakez, which you've never provided for my vote; and in your third post you don't mention me at all. What am I missing here?

Well, if we lynch Cakez, RIP Frelden's warden voting.

Mod

If the nation loses one member to lynch, will the currently voted warden be able to use its powers?

Losing the warden hurts town more than scum, but if there's actually scum lynching them is more important than having powers. Why are you so concerned about that here?

Look shadowez has given up

Yep, look at me posting all over the place except here. Or, you know, I could have been on V/LA. Please don't join in any games with me again.

VOTE: sirc

Let's see what are shaddowez's reads now...

I'll get to this in another post.

Why are we voting Shaddow?

I jailkept Bieber bros last night.

Because we had a convo in Orlais that shaddowez distorted in the most crass and obscene way that there is no way any player would do as town.

She also did it in one of the first posts of the day and tagged a vote on me, I think she did it to counter my anticipated attack (I promised to be on her case all day if she didn't NK me - to which she answered "If I could I would" which was a way to pretend she doesn't have a NK but WITHOUT A SCUMREAD on me expressed in Orlais).

Zero effort trying to figure out anyone's alignment

This is blatantly wrong. I didn't provided exactly what you said for two reasons - 1) I'm not allowed to as per site rules. 2) The parts/other posts I left out did absolutely nothing to change what you said.

P-Edit: 100Percent - So you agree with M&S that Tevinter is entirely town?

For thought

I'm not even sure what this is supposed to mean....I've said from early on I didn't think there was a nation without scum in it (though as per my first point in this post, Orlais may).