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I'll repeat my request for NATION CHECKS to be revealed, please.
Mine were:
N1: Bacde (Klingoncelt then) = East
N2: Mathblade = West (Obviously a FALSE result)
N3: DGB = West
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And -of course- it would help if someone volunteered to give out their own nation to complete the map.
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Ah, Race checks while of more importance are also more dangerous to reveal. That being said, I think you already gave us what you got so thank you for sharing.
I would also suggest Bacde should be watching No Retreat tonight. Scum would want to kill the outed champ, but both their Ninjas are already dead, so the killer will be seen by the Watcher.
Also the Isolationists redirector is also dead, so smart play by Wulden dictates they let their rivals do the kill and wait for Bacde to out the killer. (Or you could redirect Bacde, kill No Retreat, and hope the Isolationists won't be killing one of you to eliminate your current advantage over them. Your choice.)
Just a thought though, so I'm open for discussion and comments if you see fit.
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The more I reread and think about it the more I start buying into Rach being town (and consequently Wake and probably Bacde).
Then I look at Toog and I wonder why I saw his play as derp town. Ot could very well fit into a smart scum opting to use their mod-provided fake claim early enough to avoid suspicion. In fact, he could have killed Luna while claiming he tried to protect her.
@No Retreat:
Forget what I said earlier. You may target anyone you wish with your vig shot.
A reworked read list may come shortly (or may not, depending on whether I can figure out a couple of things), but I'm now open to lynching Toog as well.
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@Rach:
Would you be willing to volunteerily state your nation?
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I'm not even sure why Expedience, but hey.. what do I know?
rb, I recall you were one of those who opted to check nations in your pre-game choices. It would be nice to share your 3 results thus far if you will.
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OK, so it's more like a deflector rather than a redirector (bc both myself and rb got West for Mathblade). So the Wuldens have a deflector.
@rb:
Funny that you've been tunneling WT but never checked for their nation!!
@Rach:
It may not matter NOW, but it may make a difference later, and it would be a shame for someone to die and the info get lost.
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I literally explained why this should be the case. If we are going to lose a Town Vig we had better get one scum down in return. I'd hate to lose NR and NOT have someone to hang for it too!!!In post 7310, Bacde wrote:I dunno how I feel abt watching no retreat
You want to lynch a claimed TPR??? (I realize everyone IS a PR in a way, but I'm talking one of the extremely powerful ones!!).In post 7311, DrippingGoofball wrote:Don't worry Bacde we'll lynch NR later.
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What's strange is many do/did not share their nation/location check results when that IS what should've been done (if for nothing else then to avoid double or even treble checks on the same person, and/or to verify one didn't get redirected if a double check was done on the same person).
Even if we don't know what to do with these results someone else may find them useful in some way. We now know the recruiting/culting is more reliant on Race not nation or location.
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@Mastin2: LOL.. No Problem
Alright, guys. It's very likely a redirector not a deflector, as Mastina has just PM'd me acknowledging I should've got OTHER instead of West for my check on Mathblade's nation.
So, only you were redirected, rb.
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@Expedience:
Your way of making everybody claim is just NOT impressing me at all! Like, you COULD get easily guess which of them is the remaining champ without necessarily outing them to the public.
Btw, do you check nations or locations? If nations, please claim your results. Now THAT might prove more useful than outright claiming roles.
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Like, we have 3 flipped Northern Tribes and 3 alive. That leaves 1 unclaimed/flipped from the Northern Tribes.
We had 4 Western flips, and DGB alive, so 2 more West out there and they're likely to be town.
3 East flips and 2 living claims leaving 2 unknown, and then we have 5 alive from Other.
Now tell me you have TWO others checked as Northern from the unknowns and I'd lynch Toog in a split of a second because that would confirm he used a fake claim, then we re-evaluate based on the night action and checks.
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Forget about the cult and talk to me about your checks.In post 7342, Toogeloo wrote:
Say what now? We don't know anything about the Cult.In post 7320, Almost50 wrote:We now know the recruiting/culting is more reliant on Race not nation or location.
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Nothing. You already stated them while I was typing and I almost never check what's been posted while I'm composing, so my bad!In post 7346, Toogeloo wrote:Wait, why are we just forgetting about you saying we know things we don't? What do you want to know about my checks?
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Your Vig is probably yours to decide, and I take back any reservations bc I'm caught too deep in "ifs & buts" with too many possibilities.In post 7357, No Retreat wrote:@Almost. Lets talk about the second lynch (my vig) how much do you trust the masons? Do you think Exp is town and if so why? Talk to me about Nos and DGB.
Right now I'm trusting you the most, followed by Nos & Heartless. I have a strong town read on ASoIaF based on meta and content.
I do not fully trust the masons, but one of the scenarios I'm considering suggests they're town. Confirmation could depend on a couple of flips and/or more nation checks revealed.
Expedience is probably town based on his play. If he's scum he's pushing his luck too hard.
I have only read up to this post I'm responding to, so I may have more to add IF anyone else decided to give more info.
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If we chose to town read DGB & Nos then Tim IS the right lynch IMHO.In post 7374, No Retreat wrote:ok, but I don't want to do Tim.
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WDBWOP:
Not "the", but "a".
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@dave:
I thought you were going to give the nation check results you got over the previous 3 nights 9as well as your own nation, if you will). I'm sorry if I misunderstood your "I will check my PMs.." announcement.
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Yes, I did. Thank youIn post 7483, RachMarie wrote:A 50 did you get mine and Wakes answers?
Also I know dav said he checked me and got other. us
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Check. thank youIn post 7484, davesaz wrote:Nation checks:
Nosferatu - other
RachMarie - other
Heartless - other
Mine is also other.
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This is a bit confusing, cuz now it seems Human Factions did not start with the same number of members!!
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In post 7488, RachMarie wrote:Wait you are expecting anything in this convoluted game to make sense
I did actually expect "something" to make sense. I mean, not "everything", but -at least- some basics!!
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Yup. This game is burning all the fat in my brain!
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This is becoming silly. This has been posted over 40 hours ago, and stalling the game just isn't helping anyone. Somebody please hammer.In post 7444, Wayward Thinker wrote:We have 11 days left in the day... 11. I am not getting why I am going to be lynched with 10 days left in the day.
This game is really hard to keep track of. I have things going on... I had no idea this game was going to be so complex, honestly.
I'll claim tomorrow.
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Rach/Wake don't make much sense as scum now. They could've saved us a LOT of time (and saved me some effort) if they had agreed Wake was recruited last night when I brought it up.In post 7507, Heartless wrote:I think remaining scum are in {RachMarie/Wake88, davesaz, Nosferatu, Tim}
I'll hammer if WT hasn't claimed by the time I go to bed tonight.
davesaz is a mystery to me. Tim is suspicious, and so is Toog.
To me; Nos is as probably Town as you.
If I may suggest some night actions I'd have Bacde watching No Retreat (this is a MUST), Rach, Nos & TWIE checking for the races of dave, Tim, TWIE, DGB & Toog (take your pick), and nation checks on ASoIaF, rb & TWIE (looks like TWIE is the one to target with as many checks)
Vigs could also take their pick from the dave, Tim, TWIE, DGB & Toog pool .. or maybe even rb.
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Possible, but not probable. That would be too strong for the Iso/Waldens vs the Town. Town started with 2-3 members for the East/West/North, and considering scum faction ALSO have the advantage of sharing a PT that would make the town too weak. Add to that the recruitment shot and.. as I said .. not probable IMHO.In post 7515, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:5 iso - 5 wulden - 1 cult - more(?) starting scum is a possibly no?
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I did see a noticeable change in Wake's attitude at the start of this day, and I pointed it out. When they claimed Masons I suggested Rach was scum (Wulden to be precise) and recruited Wake and -also- faked a check result on Bacde.In post 7516, Heartless wrote:
What do you mean? :SIn post 7513, Almost50 wrote:Rach/Wake don't make much sense as scum now. They could've saved us a LOT of time (and saved me some effort) if they had agreed Wake was recruited last night when I brought it up.
Later on that theory got weakened by other info/analysis, but the change in Wake's attitude would have been justified already by the fact he did get recruited. The only change is Rach may not be Wulden after all and thus the race check on Bacde is accurate, so I'm leaning town on all 3 of them.
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@Heartless:
It would be resolved overnight. If Rach IS scum, the other scum team have a clear target and we don't even need to interfere. If she flips town though, her faction continues with a chance to win via Wake. Now let's worry about the players with no clear links. This one is pretty obvious and once one of them flips we will know for sure.
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Checking who? I thought you had cleared Heartless already!In post 7561, No Retreat wrote:you are watching me and checking heartless or EXP.
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Makes enough sense to me.In post 7588, Tim wrote:I meant the fact that Nos visited ASoIAF N1 with a night action (not a check). And looking at Nos's PM he only has passive personal abilities, which means it was a factional ability which implies he attempted to recruit ASoIAF night 1
VOTE: ASoIaF
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@Expedience:
Tim is -again- correct, bc I checked ASoIaF's nation last night and got West!
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Which, btw.. reminds me. Didn't someone say Nos' nation was West??
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A quick analysis of the NKs, Toog probably protected No Retreat (makes most sense to me since Toog died and No Retreat survived). However, I'll wait for Bacde to confirm if this is true.
Nos was probably killed by one of the Town Vigs, which leaves the other Town shot a mystery. Then we have Heartless dead by .. Wuldens?
I'm 50-50 on Isolationists being extinct already. Otherwise we have 2 missing kills, not just one.
But wait! We DID have 5 deaths on N2, didn't we? Titus was already dead then, so where did the 5th kill come from?
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???In post 7597, RachMarie wrote:someone probably checked you A50 that is what Wake and I have discussed in our thread.
Someone who was not northern I mean
First, how do you know that?
Second, if they did then they're dead. But I don't think that's the case because I've not been notified my PGO was used, so I'm leaning against the possibility. But I'll check with Mastina anyway to verify no mod slip occurred and I'll get back to you.
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Knowing them both; I fully believe ASoIaF there. Flavour name, please? Just for my amusement. I think we know by now that NAMES don't matter (i.e. I won't be doing what I did in Bloodborne)
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Yes, Wake. I've been telling you since the start of the game.. all HUMANS are town, except for those who may have been recruited/converted by scum later.
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With ASoIaF back in the Town camp, I have to choose between TWIE, rb & davesaz. I'll have to go read some more before I decide which though.
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True & true. So, where is that someone who was "not Northern". I'm a bit lost here. Do you mean on N2?? Because I thought you were talking about last night, so that's why I'm puzzled.In post 7609, RachMarie wrote:Wake stated he checked you and you came up Northern
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Oh, then I misunderstood. On N2 (when we had 5 deaths) it could be the case, yes.. but I still didn't get notified of anything. But it makes more sense now since that was the night I checked Math, got West for Nation and then got notified later (after her flip) that I should've got Other instead. Hmmm... Thanks for letting me know I might've been open for a NK for 3 nights now!
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Check his flavour name, Wake. He's the Eastern Kingdom Champion.
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No Retreat is 200% Town (although that defies all basics of Statistics & Probability)
He claimed a role that we know for sure does exist in the game (check Titus' role PM) and he didn't get counter claimed or NK'd (bc if he was faking it the real Hero would've -for sure- vigged him if they didn't want to CC).
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OK, I think I want this more:
VOTE: TWIE
Although I don't mind more pressure on rb too, so feel free to keep/add your vote there as well.
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Oh, you don't get it. IF someone targeted me on N2, then my PGO is off. I'm not NK-proof. I was only a 1-shot PGO (but still hanging on to the hope nobody targeted me other than wake, thus it would still be intact, and that's why I didn't get notified of anything. Just let me hope for the best.. you know .. let me live in my dream!)
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So, rach.. you started off as an Individual Nosferatu, and you didn't have a PT with anyone else until you recruited Wake. Right? I'm kind of STRONGLY for it now, and I'll explain shortly. I just want the whole thing complete in my mind before I put it on air.
Now, check the readcted part of your PM and tell me if there's anything worth mentioning there. You know.. compare your PM to that of -flipped- Kuroi and see if there's something we can make of it. Thanks in advance.
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@Tim:
If the two parents went against "tradition", then they would migrate to a new place. It makes perfect sense to me. And the Undead-Vampire hybrid is Lycans I think (not sure though).
So, unless there's another player who specifically belongs to the INDIVIDUAL HUMANS FACTION I'd say the chances of that claim being true is very high.
In fact, claiming nation (or even a mass claim) could very well solve this game here and now. There are probably 2-3 Wuldens alive (the 5th is if they got to recruit someone already) and 0-1 Isolationists + 0-2 Culted Humans. Worst case scenario is 6 Towns vs 6 Scum AND Town has 2 killing roles alive. This "worst case" is the only thing preventing me from demanding a mass claim already, bc if I was sure it's 7-5 or 8-4 I'd do it in a split of a second.
@rb:
Claim your nation, please. I do realize you're less likely to be scum, but you're not totally on the clear on my list.
P.S. I did a re-read of the whole thread fro D1/D2 to re-evaluate my reads.
@Tim (again):
LLD was the Wulden Race Checker. We're looking for their Champ, redirector and possible Tracker (or maybe "watcher")
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@rb:
SS was on WT all game too, and he was of the same faction of hers! That doesn't make much sense, but bussing IS a thing even in a game this large! You need better defense, but -honestly- I do feel like lynching TWIE before you anyway, and if your flavour info checks (Nation first, then we will see) I guess I can mechanically clear you, if only on my own list.
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@rb:
Actually, nation AND faction, please. If BOTH check with my table, you're off the hook.
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Well, she was a ROLE COP (that's even stronger than a Race Cop in this game, as she got all of a player's abilities).
But anyway, I'm not going to argue much. I just need rb to give me what I had requested of him and will probably get to the bottom of this.
You could also speed it up if you opt to willingly volunteer to give out some of your own info.
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PERFECT! Checks out (in addition to more indications).In post 7644, RachMarie wrote:oh yeah
race Nos
location is div something which based on flavor seems to be some kind of forest region? Divitias it is.
nation is other
flavor not role though on the lovers I dont die if exped dies or vice versa Just there is a TON in my messages from the mod and role PM about how much I care about her and search to find her and feel guilty I was not strong enough to protect her stuff like that so mostly flavor.
P.S. I apologize in advance.
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WOW! I can't believe you got me figured out so easily, especially with the CULT LEADER already having flipped!! That was a genius thought of you.In post 7645, rb wrote:
Trying to narrow down who to cult at night?In post 7640, Almost50 wrote:@rb:
Actually, nation AND faction, please. If BOTH check with my table, you're off the hook.
Let me try again: Nationa and Faction, per favore. Grazie.
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OK, we'll do.. IF you flip TOWN.
VOTE: rb
@Rach:
Not only does your flavour name and info check, but if you check Individual Factions (1 Vampire flip, 2 Humans flip, your own claim and even ASoIaF's) you'd see all of you are PROTECTIVE ROLES. JK, Doctor, RB, BG and PGO. That's why it all checks.
Too bad rb can't claim a protective now, and thus can't be an Individual Human. Sorry, mate. You blew it for yourself.
P.S. I've got MORE stuff to declare once everybody has spoken and more people opted to claim stuff.
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Oh, we're back to %ages. GREAT. There's an 89% rb is scum in this game.
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Also, Rach started out as a lone member of their faction, just like Kuroi did. They win when the town wins EVEN if they were dead themselves. Check!
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So, the town block (100% Town) from my view are myself, No Retreat, Rach & Wake. I'm strongly leaning town on DGB and think Tim can be Town (pending some flavour details to be claimed).
ASoIaF is very likely town and Expedience still looks Town to me. It's TWIE/rb (one of them) + Bacde (confirmed Scum).
Double VOTE: rb
And that vote is not moving. I KNOW cornered scum when I see one.
For the last time: I want your Nation, Location, Race & Faction, as well as your Flavour Name. One more bad post from you and I'll be asking for your Flavour Characters credit card and social security number, and I'm dead certain Mastina didn't even think of including those in your PM, so when you fail to provide this info you WILL be lynched. I'm dead serious here. No more BS. Claim or die.
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I did, and I want you to confirm it.In post 7682, rb wrote:A50 why am I going to claim again?
Do me a favour, why don't you guess what I am
@ASoIaF:
In your role PM, does it say "Hybrid" on the bottom where it says "you check as .."?
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@Tim:
Great Ridge checks, but I don't understand the "cannot be culted" part. Could you please elaborate on that? Bc -to my knowledge- those who could not be culted are the Champions.
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Ciphrer's Tracker is the equivalent of Bacde's WATCHER, my friend. I promise you Bacde IS the Wulden spy in the Undead PT. Of course, they maybe Undead by race, but Bacde IS a member of the Wulden Faction.
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Because Bacde can be killed by night, after we get rid of the redirector: YOU!In post 7698, rb wrote:So you're wanting to lynch me over the confirmed Wulden because.....................
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It does help me a LOT, Tim. Please do elaborate. Thank you.
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Even more confirmation. I'd have claimed my night results if I was you.In post 7707, Bacde wrote:vote almost50
For he stupid ass tired "confirmed wulden" stuff
Dude if I was a confirmed wulden I'd be lynched by now
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I just LOVE how cornered scum sink themselves deeper and deeper. We had the 5 kills on N2. Titus was killed on N1. Unless you believe her GHOST was roaming the lands and killed someone on N2, I don't think you're making any sense at all!In post 7713, rb wrote:
3 confirmed human champions (1 dead), another champion implied, 2 scum factions.In post 7709, Wake1 wrote:If there's a Faction checker, check A50.
I believe A50's 1-Shot PGO claim. What else explains all those deaths that one Night? If his PGO affected checker abilities it makes a hell of a lot of sense.
Is LLD still alive? Didn't she claim Wulden?
Human champion kills resolve on any non-humans they target. Look how many non-humans died. There was 2 strongman alive. That's 5 NK's with no PGO needed. He also didn't claim 1-shot PGO iirc.
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Cult starts with ONE person: The Leader. Being non-Human (and especially giving "other" for race) proves ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about them being culted. It only tells us they cannot/could not have been recruited by any other scum faction.In post 7715, rb wrote:Guys ASOIAF also gives the same Race Result as the Cult Leader (Other) but they aren't Cult, I swear!
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In post 7722, rb wrote:There's 2 human champions, and there might be 'other' champions. That's 3 champions.
OK.. so.. based on the quoted.. how does ASoIaF claiming 'other' champion make them scum again??
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We can do this for the next 20 days, and then I will get you lynched on D21 and get the town the win. Go on.. entertain me!
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Tim?? Where did you go, mate? I need that explanation like.. pretty desperately. Are you crumbing/claiming Northern Faction Champion?
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