Dragon Age Mafia [Game Over]

[Luna Fox]

You'd still be scum if PV is the killer and you were bulletproof.

Uhh but RR wasnt the warden and you just said you'd need warden for BP.

He'd be scum warden in that setup.

Like I said, it's a stretch but it's the only way that ABR wasn't the Orlias warden that absorbed the kill, since no kill is absurd with two claimed cops and outed protectives.

So you're saying the same thing Dunn says?

[Luna Fox]

hmm i highly doubt both redirector claims are town considering my results got messed up with by a redirector, so i dont mind lynching either of them. My big problem right now is that im thinking Dunnstral is making up this thing about scum nation warden to try and save Shiro.
@beeboy: didn't you tell me before i in'd that you remembered FB's setups being scum sided?
Also

Unvote

Consider me still voting Titus in spirit, i need to clear my head first.

[Luna Fox]

Luna thoughts on my theory?

Not unplausible but i still have a hard time believing this scum nation warden thing that Dunnstral's coming up with, you should understand why i have a really hard time seeing you as town.

[Luna Fox]

Like my current thoughts are around the line of
Frame me with a redirector, since Shiro's a claiming redirector he's prime suspect after I flip town, Dunnstral comes to save the day by saying that there's a scum nation warden thing going on to implicate RR and save scum buddy Shiro.
Considering RR has been scumread since D1 that doesnt sound too hard to pull off.

My misgivings are because I remember beeboy telling me when i signed up for this that FB loved scum sided setups and that kind of thing falls perfectly with what i'd consider a scum sided setup, which are setups i dont mind since im a fan of mountainous anyway so i dont really need roles to townhunt, but the plan i proposed D1 has messed up a lot of my townhunting already or Titus has influenced it in some way or another (My prime team was ABR/beeboy/rb/Iroa, and 2 of them have flipped town already and i have a hard time seeing beeboy scum now).

Sometimes i wish i was just VT...

[Luna Fox]

iirc beeboy didnt want to lynch Shiro because Shiro flipping scum confirms that i got messed up with and then the next step would be for scum to NK me and he wants me to get results before that happens.

[Luna Fox]

But what happens if we lynch RR and he flips scum redirector? Wouldn't that cause the same effect?

[Luna Fox]

Wouldn't Random being Warden be against the rules, since he was last night?

Random was warden N1 > motivated TNE for N2 > TNE was warden N2.

[Luna Fox]

Oh wow i just realized in that post iroa didnt say "Scum-Aligned" for once XD

[Luna Fox]

Wouldn't Random being Warden be against the rules, since he was last night?

Random was warden N1 > motivated TNE for N2 > TNE was warden N2.

Who is TNE?

FC

[Luna Fox]

And does Frizzy Cola have anything to add to today's information after their wardenship? Because I didn't see anything.

He only confirmed being motivated afaik.

[Luna Fox]

Both of these vote are terrible.
Why is RR town?

Do you agree or disagree with the theory that scum has their own warden, did you see beeboy's points towards this being very scum sided if you agree? (tbf im still waiting on beeboy's reply to my posts).

[Luna Fox]

I disagree because it would be broken af
I didn't see beeboy's post about it but I agree with it

Then it should be simple.
Either you think i lied about my guilty, which by default makes me scum, or you think Shiro the only claimed redirector from the N1 Wardens had something to do with me getting a guilty on ABR.

[Luna Fox]

Well it's more like, I remember you telling me that FB's games were very scum sided when i was joining this game.

[Luna Fox]

Actually beeboy's theory makes more sense than Titus's scum decided to shoot ABR while redirecting me to scum while i was scanning ABR... as i said, the fact that I even got redirected means scum in Tevinter

Vote: Motoko

Back to this.

[Luna Fox]

I just think there is a decent chance we would not have reliable mechanical clears this game

I guess.
why do you think there's a chance i get any good results tonight then? You're handcuffing Shiro, but from your theory, i can still get redirected, and there's no way to protect vedith.

[Luna Fox]

Oh wait nvm, i think i get it...

[Luna Fox]

I dont understand what's going on here lately. Seems a lot of arguing about things that we dont know and that we probably wont know yet anyways.

[Luna Fox]

What? No, track ME, so it is known that i targeted my intentended targets, a watcher on me could find someone that can be anything

[Luna Fox]

Luna night actions?

I did, I'm not sure whether i should claim my targets first or Vedith first, what's your read on Vedith?
I didnt get different results, but with RR dead im not sure redirection could be involved this time.

[Luna Fox]

4, 11.
So Random being the only one alive in Thedas now suggests scum trying to frame.

That is correct
Both are town

[Luna Fox]

Why target Shiro?

Call me confbiased, but i wanted to make sure what Dunnstral saying about the warden thing was correct, I was fairly sure they both could still be scum since there's no other warden that could've possibly caused this.
So from my PoV Shiro scum would mean Dunn town and Shiro town would mean Dunn scum, so i thought i'd get differing results but i was wrong.

[Luna Fox]

I also heavily considered TBB and Titus, but Titus kinda WANTED to be cop'd >.>

[Luna Fox]

shadow explained that yesterday actually.

[Luna Fox]

Here:

So here is my theory, which paints msyelf or Masq/DGB as scum. It still involves ABR (and rb to a point) lying, but not some telepathic agreement between the two of them.

For reference, any time I use the word "know" in the following scenario means absolute truth, as in mod-confirmed.

In Orlais, the only person who knows who the Kingmaker is is the Kingmaker themself. The only people who know who the warden is are the Kingmaker (as they choose the warden) and the warden themself.

On D1, ABR claimed Kingmaker, both in thread and in the hood. There are a maximum of two people that know the truth of this - ABR himself, and if he's lying the actual Kingmaker. Nobody counter-claimed him in the hood, so there was no reason to doubt this. Both of the following scenarios point to ABR being targeted, as M&S insist happens.

Scenario 1- Assuming ABR wasn't lying, and there is scum in the hood, why would they decide to shoot a Kingmaker rather than one of the claimed wardens, especially when one of them was likely a cop?

Scenario 2 - Assuming ABR was lying about Kingmaker, somebody else was Kingmaker. If said Kingmaker was scum, they could choose ABR to be warden and then kill him, effectively negating the warden ability for Orlais that night. Since ABR had claimed cop, he was also the best option since any result he got would have been for naught since he wouldn't be able to pass it on. He was also unlikely to be protected in any manner, since he was assumed to be Kingmaker and not warden.

Now, for the final thought before my vote - immediately before ABR claimed Kingmaker in the hood, Masq says Kingmaker should out themselves in the hood but not tell us who was warden.

I'm still prone to think M&S is scum, since she is the only one insisting on an ABR shot and never bothered to think of this scenario, but I'm sure about this one.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DGB

[Luna Fox]

The buddying of Dwlee was actually a reaction test designed in the hood to see if Dwlee would notice. He didn't.

oh boy.
Luna can you confirm this?

I recall some stuff being playing good cop, yellowbaron for one, i need to double check if she did the same thing with dwlee

[Luna Fox]

Ok just double checked, confirmed, she was reaction testing.

[Luna Fox]

Or at least confirmed she did say that to us.

[Luna Fox]

I'm just confirming what she said, i cant confirm whether that was her actual intention since i can't read minds >.<

[Luna Fox]

Foxbeebirdboy

Why?
He doubled me for last night.

[Luna Fox]

Vote: DGB

This was L-2 btw.

[Luna Fox]

Vote: DGB

This was L-2 btw.

Are you opposed to the wagon?

Not at all

[Luna Fox]

i just dont want to leave DGB in self-hammer range and rush the day, besides did everyone do their warden stuff yet.

[Luna Fox]

Luna Fox, why would you check Shiro?

I think DGB is terrible lynch because she replaced Masquerade...

Uh i already explained that:

Why target Shiro?

Call me confbiased, but i wanted to make sure what Dunnstral saying about the warden thing was correct, I was fairly sure they both could still be scum since there's no other warden that could've possibly caused this.
So from my PoV Shiro scum would mean Dunn town and Shiro town would mean Dunn scum, so i thought i'd get differing results but i was wrong.

[Luna Fox]

I have a feeling that if anyone could've been a godfather would be you Titus, i mean, just going and telling me "please scan me" during the night.

[Luna Fox]

If scum have warden election powers (assumption made to suppose Shiro town), why not just role block Luna and shoot any protective Warden?

What do you think of beeboy's theory of "scum forfeits the NK to choose a warden amongst themselves"

[Luna Fox]

Actually Shiro that might be right, i guess it's time for a reads list maybe we can figure out why scum left me alive, since im basically a VT now it doesnt matter to share this kind of information.

Luna's Foxy reads list v 1.0:

Confirmed Town:

Shiro
Dunnstral

Strong Town:

Foxbeebirdboy

Towny:

PeregrineV
iraonavp
Vedith
SirCakez
shaddowez
randomidget

Leftovers:

100 Percent Ego
Bieber Brothers
Motoko and Scully
Yume
DrippingGoofball

[Luna Fox]

Did you mention who you woukd cop in Tevinter?

Not exactly tho i was heavily attacking both Titus and Dunnstral.

[Luna Fox]

Then Titus wanted me to cop her and i just went like "Sorry but i cop who i want, not who you want"

[Luna Fox]

anyway im too tired right now, last night i couldnt sleep at all and i havent been in a very good mood all day, so im just gonna sleep now, ill answer any more questions when i wake up.

[Luna Fox]

Hmm I forgot that godfather was bastard now, ok then.

[Luna Fox]

They should just make redirectors and bus drivers bastard too and then ill be happy ^_^

[Luna Fox]

Well there's a difference between Theme and Bastard Theme
You wouldn't put Cults, Jesters in the former. I read a post somewhere in MD that Godfathers were bastard now tho... I just forgot.

[Luna Fox]

why is one of {Motoko and Scully, ira, DGB} not dea yet

in order of importance

come on people we can do this

~Memeo

Is all warden stuff taken care of in Antiva and Ferelden?

[Luna Fox]

Me and Foxbird decided we want a case before we may or may not vote DGB.

there was one a page or 2 ago

[Luna Fox]

It's more about I want people to finish their warden stuff before the day ends.

[Luna Fox]

I think DGB is slightly town-aligned...

What do you think of Shadow's mini case then.

[Luna Fox]

So i'm doing a summary of what we have claimed so far, if there's a ??? and it was never claimed in-thread and you dont feel comfortable talking about it then feel free to leave it unknown.
Color code = Green: Town flip/Confirmed town (from my PoV), Blue: Townread, Orange: Scumread, Red: Confirmed Scum.

Antiva:

Shiro

,

iroanovp

,

Vedith

,

foxbeeboy

,

TBB

Night 1 - Shiro - Claims to redirect PV onto RR
Night 2 - foxbeeboy - motivated me
Night 3 - Vedith - Tracked me to Shiro and Dunnstral

Ferelden:

RR

,

Cakez

,

random

,

Frizzy

, Yume

Night 1 - random - motivated Frizzy
Night 2 - Frizzy - did ???
Night 3 - random - motivated ???

Tevinter:

Luna

,

PV

,

100% ego

,

Dunnstral

,

Titusdra

Night 1 - Luna Fox - Inspected ABR - Got guilty (but flipped town)
Night 2 - Titus - claims to have protected me
Night 3 - Luna Fox - Inspected Shiro and Dunnstral - Got Town/Town

Orlais:

ABR

,

rb

,

DGB

,

Shadow

,

FU

Night 1 - ABR Claimed Kingmaker - Warden Unknown
Night 2 - ??? - ??? (this was claimed somewhere but idk where, im going off memory here)
Night 3 - Orlais can't have Warden anymore.

Does this make sense? I feel like i may be missing something =/

[Luna Fox]

Also does this mean that if 1 of Yume/Cakez/random is lynched Ferelden's tonight Warden is cancelled? (Not that im intending to lynch either of those 3 today, but it's an important thing to know imo)

[Luna Fox]

Why are Random and Sircakez town o.o

SirCakez is a town-lean (you can find strong town and towny on my previous reads list)
Random for motivating FC.

[Luna Fox]

Oh forgot to explain the why, it's mostly gut feeling tho, i'd trust you on SirCakez more than myself, but you havent talked about him at all (that I remember) so im on my own here =/

[Luna Fox]

Yeah i'd be really surprised if there werent 2 cops.

But we had only 2 redirector claims and 1 of them was scum.

I'm thinking that each role has a duplicate and some of those duplicate pairs are Town/Scum.

[Luna Fox]

I'm thinking that each role has a duplicate and some of those duplicate pairs are Town/Scum.

Although if this is true then my reads are out of whack :<

[Luna Fox]

I liked Vedith's previous avy more :<

[Luna Fox]

Copy pasting and fixing.

So i'm doing a summary of what we have claimed so far, if there's a ??? and it was never claimed in-thread and you dont feel comfortable talking about it then feel free to leave it unknown.
Color code = Green: Town flip/Confirmed town (from my PoV), Blue: Townread, Orange: Scumread, Red: Confirmed Scum.

Antiva:

Shiro

,

iroanovp

,

Vedith

,

foxbeeboy

,

TBB

Night 1 - Shiro - Claims to redirect PV onto RR
Night 2 - foxbeeboy - motivated me
Night 3 - Vedith - Tracked me to Shiro and Dunnstral

Ferelden:

RR

,

Cakez

,

random

,

Frizzy

, Yume

Night 1 - random - motivated Frizzy
Night 2 - Frizzy - did ???
Night 3 - random - motivated ???

Tevinter:

Luna

,

PV

,

100% ego

,

Dunnstral

,

Titusdra

Night 1 - Luna Fox - Inspected ABR - Got guilty (but flipped town)
Night 2 - Titus - claims to have protected me
Night 3 - Luna Fox - Inspected Shiro and Dunnstral - Got Town/Town

Orlais:

ABR

,

rb

,

DGB

,

Shadow

,

FU

Night 1 - ABR Claimed Kingmaker - Warden Unknown
Night 2 - Kingmaker ??? - DGB Warden - Commute
Night 3 - Orlais can't have Warden anymore.

[Luna Fox]

Im questioning RR's choice of going to Ferelden.
1) Do you think there's at least 1 scum on every nation so they have a higher chance of getting Warden without doing the sacrifice thing beeboy was talking about?
2) When RR joined Ferelden did he have a choice of Antiva/Ferelden? (Self-reminder to go back and look)

[Luna Fox]

Your claim naturally includes any actions you take.

She claimed that too

[Luna Fox]

Copy pasting and fixing.

So i'm doing a summary of what we have claimed so far, if there's a ??? and it was never claimed in-thread and you dont feel comfortable talking about it then feel free to leave it unknown.
Color code = Green: Town flip/Confirmed town (from my PoV), Blue: Townread, Orange: Scumread, Red: Confirmed Scum.

Antiva:

Shiro

,

iroanovp

,

Vedith

,

foxbeeboy

,

TBB

Night 1 - Shiro - Claims to redirect PV onto RR
Night 2 - foxbeeboy - motivated me
Night 3 - Vedith - Tracked me to Shiro and Dunnstral

Ferelden:

RR

,

Cakez

,

random

,

Frizzy

, Yume

Night 1 - random - motivated Frizzy
Night 2 - Frizzy - did ???
Night 3 - random - motivated ???

Tevinter:

Luna

,

PV

,

100% ego

,

Dunnstral

,

Titusdra

Night 1 - Luna Fox - Inspected ABR - Got guilty (but flipped town)
Night 2 - Titus - claims to have protected me
Night 3 - Luna Fox - Inspected Shiro and Dunnstral - Got Town/Town

Orlais:

ABR

,

rb

,

DGB

,

Shadow

,

FU

Night 1 - ABR Claimed Kingmaker - Warden Unknown

Night 2 - Kingmaker ??? - DGB Warden - Commute

Night 3 - Orlais can't have Warden anymore.

[Luna Fox]

I'm not saying she didn't say she didn't forget, im also not townreading her, but saying that she never claimed it is a blatant lie:

@DGB- do you have any warden claims, or reason why you shouldn't be lynched?

I was warden night 3 I think it was

@DGB- do you have any warden claims, or reason why you shouldn't be lynched?

I was warden night 3 I think it was

or was it the other thing - I forget

Night 2 - ??? - ??? (this was claimed somewhere but idk where, im going off memory here)

it was me

[Luna Fox]

Oh this was the posts i forgot:

Was rb the Orlais warden last night? I forgot.

If he wasn't, that clears DGB and shadowez as town, I think. Scum wouldn't wanna deprive themselves of being warden.
It's also likely then that rb was killed for that exact purpose: to knock out Orlais.

Gonna wait until I talked to beeboy before I throw a vote down.

If he wasn't, that clears DGB and shadowez as town,

I was the warden.

[Luna Fox]

it allowed me to avoid all actions I think

[Luna Fox]

Basically same role as ABR's

[Luna Fox]

As I said the way she went about it i dont think it's town, and i still want her lynched, but as i said, saying she didnt claim anything is a blatant lie.

[Luna Fox]

I just want word from Antiva that their warden stuff is done.

[Luna Fox]

Why are Random and Sircakez town o.o

SirCakez is a town-lean (you can find strong town and towny on my previous reads list)
Random for motivating FC.

...
So why is SirCakez a town lean then?


Also I am dead null on SirCakez nothing he has done has left an impression on me.

i said that in literally my next post D:

[Luna Fox]

oh bus'ing

that never happens on this site

So you're saying that ego is busing you?

[Luna Fox]

inb4 DGB forgot she replaced Masq

[Luna Fox]

inb4 DGB forgot she replaced Masq

It's a townslip because DGB would see Masquerade in the scum-aligned chat.

Actually you might be right about this.

[Luna Fox]

Titus, why are you townreading nero?

[Luna Fox]

So do you seriously believe that there's a scum Godfather AND a scum redirector?
Might as well not give town any cops and give scum something else.

[Luna Fox]

VOTE: Motoko

[Luna Fox]

I was double checking shiro's warden thing and found something interesting:

I agree with Shiro that Orlais looks sketchy af.

Yea that is what gave me the idea of all scum nation.

Btw people I doubt darkspawn count as a nation for the purpose of wardens

[Luna Fox]

Oh wait nvm, Dunn still said it first ^^;;

[Luna Fox]

Maybe Shiro was warden and Vedith covers.

Uh when was this? coz if it was last night, RR claimed my targets before I did.

[Luna Fox]

I mean Vedith.

[Luna Fox]

Ok guys, I 180, Baron is town, Radical is the scum of the two.

Uhhhh

[Luna Fox]

Maybe Shiro was warden and Vedith covers.

Uh when was this? coz if it was last night, RR claimed my targets before I did.

Not subtle.
You want to clear Tevinter.
I am clear from RR's flip.
You townread Nero.
That leaves checking Dunn.
You also had Shiro issues.

Wham. You check Shiro and Dunn.

This would necessisate scum to have access to Tevinter's chat.
In what world do I check Shiro without the confirmation bias i had after an RR scum flip.

[Luna Fox]

ABR really doesn't seem like scum though and 2 cops with a person capable to make their powers double useful seems op.to death.

@Shiro: Going back to this, what do you think about Shadow claiming cop and there being 2 claimed motivators. Do you still believe this situation is OP?

[Luna Fox]

Considering I even got questioned by beeboy and idk who else on my Shiro check after RR flipped scum, I don't see how scum would've known i'd be targeting both, Vedith is true claiming being tracker N3, but that doesn't necessarily make him town, i do townread him tho OR There's scum in Tevinter ^_^

[Luna Fox]

Umm okay, so he didnt refuse to being Warden, but he also didnt call towards wanting to be warden, so i still don't understand your issue here?

[Luna Fox]

No, I think you have confirmation bias on Shiro if you're town.
Your reasoning makes me think you're scum.

[Luna Fox]

But sure i'll break down your post:

You want to clear Tevinter.

This was only discussed in Tevinter chat, what i also said both in the thread and here is that I already had figured out there was scum in Tevinter due to the redirection happening.

I am clear from RR's flip.

Nope

You townread Nero.

Nope

That leaves checking Dunn.

I didn't express my issues with Dunn in thread that I remember, I expressed them in Tevinter chat, i was fairly convinced RR would flip town because I didn't believe the BS thing about Scum Nation Warden.

You also had Shiro issues.

Sure, but the logical thing to assume for town is that RR's flip would clear Shiro, i had clear confirmation bias on Shiro after what i posted in Tevinter because I still refused to believe the Scum Nation Warden thing.

Wham. You check Shiro and Dunn.

That would've only been known in Tevinter.

[Luna Fox]

Shiro/Titus/Dunnstral

That's where i'm at right now.

Hmm actually I did suspect both of them here.
Regardless tho that still doesnt explain why RR flip wouldn't deter me from lynching Shiro without the confirmation bias I explained in Tevinter.

[Luna Fox]

*from scanning Shiro

[Luna Fox]

Like considering I got yelled at for even scanning shiro after the RR flip, I am surprised you think scum would assume i scan him u.u

[Luna Fox]

Right. Scum, without Tevinter, would expect you to cop Shiro.

Why

[Luna Fox]

Why target Shiro?

You targeted one of my very few town reads... sigh.
We are lynching M&S now.

Luna Fox, why would you check Shiro?

[Luna Fox]

Now you're switching your story...

[Luna Fox]

If the deadline scramble was a bus, why not just lynch supposed town you?

[Luna Fox]

Scum knew i was being doubled N3, since that's one of the things talked in thread, why not try to keep the redirector alive so he could mess up with me AGAIN.

[Luna Fox]

Thanks for bringing up the deadline scramble tho, that makes you more scum than before.

[Luna Fox]

3) The deadline scramble at the end is a bus.

That is not a deadline scramble.

Okay...

[Luna Fox]

This is also a wagon I can get behind
VOTE: Ego

[Luna Fox]

Prod dodge

[Luna Fox]

I really didn't want to do this, because i hate replacing out, but i literally have no time for many games right now

@Mod: Im replacing out, sorry