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I don't see a northen tribe flip with a redacted factional part
and yes I beleive they can recruit
I'm saying there might be more
and they might not be town
I don't like you guys considering that faction town like shit and moving on. this is just blantly unsetteling cuase its a huge assumption based on no logicHydra of Frozen Angel and Firebringer-
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what is he doing? scum hunting?In post 4409, RAM wrote:
Okay, but are you not listening to what SS is even doing right now? Why would he, a scum faction in your words, claim he was a scum faction? Claim the wincon and everything and say he was aligned with Kuroi? Why would he not just use his give fakeclaim if he were scum? I don't see how Town isn't being reasonable here. Why didn't Kuroi use his fake claim?In post 4407, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:Don't give this faction a free path
This is the difference between SS and LLD right now. SS genuinely gets their wincon. LLD is still acting like she has no idea. I think that's because it's a fakeclaim.
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I beleive a scum will scum hunt in multiball for sure
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I like to even call the way they reacted scummy not towny.
the way beeboy was insisting that he would fake claim if he was scum and refrenscing back to their vote on kuroi was scummy AF
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can' you understand?
there is AT LEAST one mafia faction with requiering majority to win
that post from a mastin proves nothing about individual vampires treats or threatening factions.Hydra of Frozen Angel and Firebringer-
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ALL I'm saying is that we don't know if their town
Don't just fucking call them town and move onHydra of Frozen Angel and Firebringer-
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I did my part and explained this fualty logic
I asked if they are a treat to my wincon and mastin refused to answer.
The Vampire faction is NOT mod confirmed town aligned.
Like the way cerb was not a friendly treestumper in saga
please don't ignore this on later days even If I wasn't around.
I need to chat with fire about our vote before casting it though
@luna do you have any clue what a new human treaty is?
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Actually it seems like an event in the game and a hidden mechanic or the game end
I beleive you guys are the servivors who must live till the game end if you trutfully have no idea whats a new human treaty.
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I'm not trying to say if lld is scum you are as well or anything like itIn post 4443, Luna Fox wrote:Also dont forget, whoever's scum also has fake claims, sooo.
I'm just trying understand this weird win condition
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I mean someone must know what this means accoridong to their role pm , eaither the flavor part or the actual role
if its in hands of town we must get a discription of it soon in game. if not it seems its the name of a scum hidden mechinic trigger or simply referring to end game when a new humanity rules (eaither town or mafia (?))
or it simply refers to when all the humans are dead and no humans (vampires , lycans , undead , ...) are reffered to "new human"
is there any human with that wincon ? cuase I feel its something for not humans who must servive till some thingHydra of Frozen Angel and Firebringer-
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In post 4465, Cephrir wrote:
ALL OF THE INDIVIDUAL Xs ARE TOWN JFCIn post 4429, rb wrote:Oh and _MAYBE_ the Individual Vampires are part of this and can be part of the super-happy-fun-times. MAYBE.mastin will you confirm this?
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actually now everyone is individual
right after it seemd claiming individual will modconfirm you as town
like holy crapHydra of Frozen Angel and Firebringer-
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yes she told me privatly that the individual human wincondition (mine) is a town wincondition.In post 4475, Cephrir wrote:has mastin answered a straightforward question about who is town yet? she's not about to start.
the thing is, though, either you believe SS, LLD and I have all just claimed scum, or you have a brain. those are the options. i don't have access to a fakeclaim, therefore i am town.
I beleive you guys claimed something and trying to tell us that its modconfirmed town which is not which make me think you guys are probably scum and this is a mindgame shitshowHydra of Frozen Angel and Firebringer-
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I never said you guys claimed scum
I'm saying whoever is taking you as confirmed town are mindless or just scum
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what was the exact wording of your result luna?
Isolated faction ?!Hydra of Frozen Angel and Firebringer-
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you claimed a recruiterIn post 4506, Salt Squad wrote:
Stop being bad when you can wait a day to confirm me.In post 4505, Luna Fox wrote:If my results got messed up with then there's guaranteed scum in our hood, which is great info to have.
If they didnt then SS is scum lying, which means this lynch is correct.
waiting a day for you to recruit someone new to your faction is not going to confirm you ; Its just incredibly antitown thing to ask for a reason to let you go
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so why are you voting LLD ?In post 4508, Salt Squad wrote:Lynching town for information is total crap.Hydra of Frozen Angel and Firebringer-
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your voting stromblade I guess
sorry
hard to track in this shit. I thought your voting LLDHydra of Frozen Angel and Firebringer-
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I don't think soIn post 4530, Salt Squad wrote:Kuroi was town.....Hydra of Frozen Angel and Firebringer-
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I mean maybe he was but even he was thinking he is scum from his role
why should I beleive otherwise based on a restricted flip shit?Hydra of Frozen Angel and Firebringer-
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VOTE: Salt Squad
I beleive luna's guilty
@rb is kuroi town? if SS is telling the truth they will flip exactly like kuroi so how ill that exactly make the recriuted person conftown?
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actually yesIn post 4622, rb wrote:Stormblade's "mason buddy" shit looks scummy af with all this new info to me. I seriously am doubting she thought Nahdia thought she was a Mason in a Masonry with a bunch of confirmed town.
I'm down with lynching Stormblade as well , ABR is scum , nahdia is sketchy and oppourtunistic and errant never delivered his promised.
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you missed the word "new" thats the thing with negative feeling about the whole shitIn post 4630, Luna Fox wrote:rb confirmed enemy of the humanity treaty.
we don't know what the shit is that,
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scum ^In post 4637, Stormblade wrote:
I didn't think it was a masonry. That was a cheeky way of saying "I don't think Luna is the spy."In post 4622, rb wrote:Stormblade's "mason buddy" shit looks scummy af with all this new info to me. I seriously am doubting she thought Nahdia thought she was a Mason in a Masonry with a bunch of confirmed town.
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you didn't say that
you were supposed to paraphrase errant post in your hydra pt
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scum ^In post 4637, Stormblade wrote:
I didn't think it was a masonry. That was a cheeky way of saying "I don't think Luna is the spy."In post 4622, rb wrote:Stormblade's "mason buddy" shit looks scummy af with all this new info to me. I seriously am doubting she thought Nahdia thought she was a Mason in a Masonry with a bunch of confirmed town.
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you didn't say that
you were supposed to paraphrase errant post in your hydra pt
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thats bold factional claimsIn post 4647, Stormblade wrote:Whatever. I'm honestly bummed about rolling 2-shot BP because I'm more than happy to die in this game and get to spectating, like I wanted. So go ahead and lynch me. I'll be flipping a faction that you'll all argue to death over whether it's town. The answer is that it's town, and I win with some of you, including the Individual Humans, but others of you who are "town" probably need me dead, and I probably need you dead. That's how this game works.
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the fact an undead had that in wincon seems like "lets kill all humans and make a treaty for theIn post 4651, Cephrir wrote:
i interpret as "humanity makes a new agreement to get along with each other and stop being assholes"In post 4633, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:
you missed the word "new" thats the thing with negative feeling about the whole shitIn post 4630, Luna Fox wrote:rb confirmed enemy of the humanity treaty.
we don't know what the shit is that,
if thats in my way for lynching scum then I'm an enemy of that as wellNewhuman being factions to live with eachother or something.
you know?Hydra of Frozen Angel and Firebringer-
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parse it to me from your povIn post 4655, Stormblade wrote:
You literally already have all the information in front of you. I'm not going to parse it for you anymore, I'm fucking sick of it.In post 4650, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:
thats bold factional claimsIn post 4647, Stormblade wrote:Whatever. I'm honestly bummed about rolling 2-shot BP because I'm more than happy to die in this game and get to spectating, like I wanted. So go ahead and lynch me. I'll be flipping a faction that you'll all argue to death over whether it's town. The answer is that it's town, and I win with some of you, including the Individual Humans, but others of you who are "town" probably need me dead, and I probably need you dead. That's how this game works.
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Luna, stop trying to lynch RB. They're clearly Individual Human, and Individual Human wins with us.
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your saying there are town factions that can win with eachother and town factions that can't
your new human treaty is something like you guys can win with eachother but now with old original humans
so that make you scum ?
now parse your pov please.
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what is the old treaty? and where this just came from suddenlyHydra of Frozen Angel and Firebringer-
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then you believe SS had a fake claimIn post 4849, rb wrote:I've come to the conclusion that Luna's faction cop result is not fucked with, Salt Squad really is 'isolationist' - but isolationist doesn't mean scum/cult.
Read about the Individual Vampires - they're outcasts. Read about Kuroi's character Hans Pohl - he's an outcast. They're allisolated and individualand hold no particular allegiance to anyone. The 'Individual' factions are somewhat a neutral ground that win with a few different other WinCons. Also, 'isolationism' in political terms is commonly acccepted as meaning that you keep other people's business out of yours and you try to do the best with what you can (roughly speaking).
This all sounds very consistent with the flavour for Individual Vampires/Humans and I'm starting to really think that we've simply been reading isolationist wrong. Luna's result wasn't fucked with - Salt Squad IS an isolationist - but isolationist isn't the cult/scum indicator we thought it was.
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we love you mastin <3In post 4884, mastin2 wrote:By the way...general note:
If you want votecounts faster...don't switch your votes literally every other post.
I've given up on identifying all of the vote switches at this point, since I ran out of ways for players who had changed votes SO MANY TIMES that I couldn't think of what would be next in the system.
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there is a little flow in this plan you know?In post 4883, rb wrote:SS is telling us to let them live today and we lynch them Day 3. They tell us their conversion target and then when they die they flip Town, so we know the person they converted is also Town.
if SS is scum and they redirect someone and lie about the person they recruited we won't get anything and maybe one of us will turn to a scumHydra of Frozen Angel and Firebringer-
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luna claimed the result after you outed yourself as a vampireIn post 4892, Salt Squad wrote:I think we should all ignore scum Klingon because I am likely being tracked ^_^
If I was scum and needed 1 night action I would just do what Ram said and say isolationist faction was a town faction.
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I don't like this game ; I hate the way win conditions are writtenIn post 4896, Stormblade wrote:My townread on ASOIAF has dwindled a bit... they seem to be a bit brash about the way they play this game and it's not towny. and I'm starting to get paranoid that I just don't know how to read Frozen Angel, I know she apparently rarely gets lynched even as scum so I was probably naive to townread them so quickly.
and I think you are scum regardless. I don't care about luna's read on you. I know its going be really hard to achieve a lynch on you but I don't like your slot to live spescially becuase of the other heads in your hydra
now excuse me I litterally don't care how much barsh I'm looking like or how much your trying to make eeryone paranoid of me with these shady reads . your slot is 90% scum from my pov and I want it dead.
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no the way she is not trying to engage with me after I shared my concerns about her slot over and over and instead is just making a shady response "I'm not so sure about ASOIAF being town anymore" shit is scummyIn post 4921, Expedience wrote:
It does look pretty scummy, I feel like the smile curves upwards too far in a way that suggests scum knowledge?In post 4918, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:
scum shrugs ^^^^In post 4917, Stormblade wrote:¯\_(ツ)_/¯¯\_(ツ)_/¯¯\_(ツ)_/¯¯\_(ツ)_/¯¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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shrugging it of is scummy
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and thats why I asked if anyone has any problem with me before joining the gameIn post 4934, Stormblade wrote:I care so little about your read on me. I don't even care if I'm lynched, I've made that clear. Frozen, I do like you as a person, but you're exhausting to have any sort of discussion with in the course of mafia. I don't have the energy nor the desire to entertain one of your emotionally charged pushes right now. So yeah, I'm shrugging you off.
I'm what I am now I am in this game. You have no right to ignore me
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so much thisIn post 4944, rb wrote:Also, how is Wayward a 'random' - do explain this one to me because it seems like there's a good portion of people who think he's scum, while like 1/3rd of the game just completely ignores/doesn't interact with him despite him being a massive scum suspect. Oh and then there's the Kuroi counter-wagon on Day 1, and now people deflecting from Wayward to lynch LLD on the basis of "But CleTUS, Her RAce Is WuLDen!!!!!!!!"
Mastin: Race =/= faction
Idiots: Lynch LLD! Her Race is Wulden!
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I don't like the way LLD reacted and make me feel the individual wulden is a fake claim
but at the same time the information lynch orby flavor its cult cuase its wulden or whatever other shit is that wagon is based of is so fucking stupid
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I can confirm my location. its other.
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I saw enough from you to judge you meta wiseIn post 5002, Klingoncelt wrote:Neither one of you have ever been able to spot my Scum meta. Or my Town meta for that matter.
I'm Undead with Dram's WinCon.
your today catchup felt like I'm in saga all over again.Hydra of Frozen Angel and Firebringer-
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so what is this going to mean and why the fuck you outed this info?In post 5028, Klingoncelt wrote:
It means someone (x) used a Night Action on you.In post 5001, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:I can confirm my location. its other.
but I really don't know what that result suppose to mean.
It means I checked your Location
It means someone else (y) checked your location +/or nation +/or race.
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so what is this going to mean and why the fuck you outed this info?In post 5028, Klingoncelt wrote:
It means someone (x) used a Night Action on you.In post 5001, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:I can confirm my location. its other.
but I really don't know what that result suppose to mean.
It means I checked your Location
It means someone else (y) checked your location +/or nation +/or race.
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2 things I really hated about rb in fast few pages that are really unsetteling
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@A50
I was reading your last page and my role is against some part of that big description thats the much I will claim
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That require me to first faction claim
and I won't do that for your satisfaction
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I'm just saying there is a part in there that is wrong
so the whole idea might get rejected.
I'm absoloutly sure this game is not breakable flavor wise and thats a wrong way for analyzing it.
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just stop itIn post 5555, mastin2 wrote:In post 5548, Wake1 wrote:Could you please confirm that the four flips we've had so far aren't Scum?<<< No, I cannot. This is where your own role PM, and the mechanics post, comes into play. The informed minority in this game is scum. The uninformed majority in this game is town. This, I can say, because it is universal to any mafia game. How it manifests is given in the mechanics post. >>>
I bet kuroi was thinking he is mafia when he got lynched. what kind of game is this when people don't know if their town or mafia?
why can't you just notify each player about the fact the flipped players were their enemies or not?
Is your falvor story reliable source or just flavor?
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No I want mod confirmationIn post 5562, Luna Fox wrote:You just want everything given to you instead of doing the leg work?
Fine i'll do the leg work for you
All 4 flips were town
You're welcome
I don't want a buzzinga at end game hey kuroi faction couldn't win with you
If they are town why their flipping from different factions? how they can win with eachother if they can? and which need to kill which?
so this is restricted info
is there a way to analyze a shit and get a clue about it or flavor stories are just stories?
do you know how can you win? yes dram is town to you cuase she had same wincin you have. It doesn't look obv town to me who is standing here comparing that role to mine.
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happy birthday mastin <3
I really like the favor and I appriciate the amount of time you spent in designing this but I can't play this the way it is right now. I really hope something change soon (maybe by seeing a scum flip and something obvious that seprate the scums from towns) or your clarification about it.
anyway bye
need to go out
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This so called towns might need to kill each other and might have different requiered threats.In post 5570, Luna Fox wrote:
Look at their win condition.In post 5568, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:If they are town why their flipping from different factions? how they can win with eachother if they can? and which need to kill which?
Look at the mechanics post.
Even if they are all dead, even if they are from different factions, as long as their threats are eliminated they win.
That sounds Town in my book.
I need to know if anyof them is my faction's threat or not.
and dram is not like anyone else. as far as I'm now this wincon will be triggered at some point of the game when an event "new human treaty" triggers.
I have no reason to beleive that is something good for town ; cuase you know the only person flipped was undead.
I need to know there is a way for figuring stuff out and I need this way to be mod confirmed. If there is a way to analyze the flavor stories and relize hey "everyone are sad fror this dead it was town though" I need to know I can relay on stories.
I have nothing to seprate town from scum atm and I can't play this.
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SS claimed something elseIn post 5581, Luna Fox wrote:
Oh hey that's a good point.In post 5577, Almost50 wrote:
Hold on a second! How do you KNOW "isolationist" = GUILTY??In post 5551, Salt Squad wrote:You claimed a guilty on me.
the fact SS hasn't claim "isolationist" is the guilty not the fact its "isolationist"
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The point is that the "Threats" are ambigious since some factins might have other factions as threats and we don't know it, and only they know that. Which faction is the true "Town" like the mechanic page specifically was vauge that their was at least "one" town faciton, but you say everyone who has flipped is town. How is everyone town, but we don't know their threats if they are different factions and their enemies are not told to us?In post 5570, Luna Fox wrote:
Look at their win condition.In post 5568, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:If they are town why their flipping from different factions? how they can win with eachother if they can? and which need to kill which?
Look at the mechanics post.
Even if they are all dead, even if they are from different factions, as long as their threats are eliminated they win.
That sounds Town in my book.
I am thinking right now this is just a ridiculous puzzle to be solved, and part of me desn't want to bother.
I think Salt Squad needs a flip based on wht I have seen.
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I am pretty upset with this games vagueness.Hydra of Frozen Angel and Firebringer-
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@Math
I read your post , I beleive so to
this is a mafia inside mafia , so tell me which flipped faction can win with which other faction?
do you know who you should eleminate as a member of your faction and what others are town with you?Hydra of Frozen Angel and Firebringer