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Why would you claim it then?In post 16, BBmolla wrote:My role is very basic so I don't know the important of location/nation-
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Hypocritical considering this is the kind of comment scum players make,..In post 38, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:
I don't like this question too , Its like the questions scum players ask after RVS to show themselves active while their just trying to show themselves acive ...In post 34, Wayward Thinker wrote:
Why is this a Scum claim?In post 8, No Retreat wrote:thanks for scum claiming.
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His entrance was so town are you kidding me.In post 46, Tim wrote:"Are you aware there is a cult in the game"
"But what does it mean?"
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Because of his conversational tone and repeated usage of such phrases as "lmao".In post 61, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:
how you deduced thatIn post 57, Expedience wrote:I think BBMolla is actually this careless and not-fuck-giving, not just scum and pretending. So I think he's town, that is.
pedit : I don't know the meaning of that world. I just used it to come back at you.
No, I'm not trying to silence you or anything.A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:I mean your saying he is so town that I can't share my concern at start about him?
his question felt fake to me. why him asking them was so town in your eyes ?
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I felt it was town because it seemed to me like Wayward Thinker was clearly trying to solve the game from theirfirstsecond post.
I think they asked the question to start discussion, in the same way that asking BBMolla to flavor claim and trying to work out where he was coming from afterwards was clearly town motivated. I followed most steps of their thought process.
You took one question that they asked out of the context of their several top quality and insightful posts and said that it was some kind of scummy "fake filler content", literally before the game had even started. That would make me vote you if votes currently existed.-
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Okay, but how does that make BBMolla scum rather than just bad town?In post 66, Tim wrote:
I do. Well I did.In post 54, BBmolla wrote:LMFAO wHo cAREAS HAHA Xd
There's at least 3 factions that have a 1-shot recruiting ability, and the cult probably is multiple shot but I can't imagine them not being able to recruit humans.
Do Bulletproofs claim so their role becomes worthless? No, because that's stupid.
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That's all you can find because you're scum and incapable of reading, all you can do is see.In post 67, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:
no I didn't see thatIn post 63, Expedience wrote:I felt it was town because it seemed to me like Wayward Thinker was clearly trying to solve the game from their first second post.
they questioned some stuff from molla that was meh
then some setup spec and stuff
then came back to the one person who made a silly comment
I can't see their clear try for solving the game in their first posts and I attacked what I see to see their response.
and Are you really threatening me with your vote?
like siriously
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Not really, that;s what I would expect FA to do as either alignment.In post 74, Titus wrote:
Hi town. (Hugs)In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8101170#p8101170]post 72[/url], Frozen Angel wrote:
My normal response to this kind of shitty behaviors is to say "Fuck off"In post 69, Expedience wrote:That's all you can find because you're scum and incapable of reading, all you can do is see.
Yes, I am siriously threatening you with my vote.
I won't respond to it anyway cuase I'm done getting force replaced for people like you corning me and making me toxic.
so ....
Okay, I mean town-who-misplayed or whatever you want to call claiming your faction and flavor for no reason as town. Because I see that as no less likely than him faking it as scum even if he has a carefree attitude as all alignments.In post 75, Tim wrote:
Do you have any experience playing with BBmolla? He's not bad town. you can say maybe he's performed badly as town sometimes, but he isn't bad town. 2ndly, he has a carefree attitude as all alignments really. And he's done speculative plays before as scum before as well.In post 68, Expedience wrote: Okay, but how does that make BBMolla scum rather than just bad town?
@Bbmolla: Perhaps you don't have the same kind of "how to play a role" sense as I do, but that kind of play really stretches my limits of credulity. In any case my metric for scumminess won't be defined as just that, so if your day play is satisfactory it will do a lot to help your claim-
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^ obviously can't round decimals or consider the fact that a cult wouldn't convert themselvesIn post 80, Nosferatu wrote:/confirm
I really don't get why molla's "making someone else's chances of being converted much more probable" is major cause for concern.
Assuming equal chance, literally went from 3.5% to 3.7%. The only way I see it can be that big of a deal, was if you were planning to recruit molla, which wouldn't make sense seeing as the game hasn't even started yet unless you want his role or something.-
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^ scumpostngIn post 92, Luna Fox wrote:That discussion wrt BBMolla has been overblown I agree, why do we want to speculate on something so silly?-
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0.1% chance of his human town teammates getting culted.In post 91, Nosferatu wrote:
how has molla's role lost utility from what he's done so far?In post 88, Cephrir wrote:
It's not nonsensical, it's clearly a suboptimal play from molla. And I believe Tim's point is that town should want to hold on to whatever utility their role has even if it's not very much -- I know that's how I play as well.In post 80, Nosferatu wrote:/confirm
I really don't get why molla's "making someone else's chances of being converted much more probable" is major cause for concern.
Assuming equal chance, literally went from 3.5% to 3.7%. The only way I see it can be that big of a deal, was if you were planning to recruit molla, which wouldn't make sense seeing as the game hasn't even started yet unless you want his role or something.
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It's actually the opposite, only (most) humans can be recruited.In post 97, Nosferatu wrote:
but the issue wasn't about culting, pretty sure it was that any faction can recruit a non-human, and by claiming non-human, all of the factions know not to target him.In post 95, Expedience wrote:
0.1% chance of his human town teammates getting culted.In post 91, Nosferatu wrote:
how has molla's role lost utility from what he's done so far?In post 88, Cephrir wrote:
It's not nonsensical, it's clearly a suboptimal play from molla. And I believe Tim's point is that town should want to hold on to whatever utility their role has even if it's not very much -- I know that's how I play as well.In post 80, Nosferatu wrote:/confirm
I really don't get why molla's "making someone else's chances of being converted much more probable" is major cause for concern.
Assuming equal chance, literally went from 3.5% to 3.7%. The only way I see it can be that big of a deal, was if you were planning to recruit molla, which wouldn't make sense seeing as the game hasn't even started yet unless you want his role or something.
This is some goofy-ass mudslinging.
What I said doesn't even make sense either because factions only win with themselves.
Let's just all agree to immediately lynch Luna Fox once the day starts so people don't struggle to keep up with all the hydra posts.-
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because urscumlolIn post 109, Luna Fox wrote:
This is scum or anti-town at best, how does it help you to immediately lynch me even if you think im scum, before i even get started scumhunting and getting information out?In post 106, Expedience wrote:Let's just all agree to immediately lynch Luna Fox once the day starts so people don't struggle to keep up with all the hydra posts.
Yes Cephrir, but the hydras will be nightkilled maybe. I just don't want to get caught up in all the posts. I know for a fact that in a large theme if my concentration lapses for one day of not caring to post I will be possibly forever disengaged.-
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Same.In post 114, Cephrir wrote:
Why do you think Tim is scum? I think they're townIn post 104, Luna Fox wrote:I think that Tim's scum, and BBMolla's town.-
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Why are you pretending to scumread me?In post 120, Luna Fox wrote:
I think if they're town, they should be discussing alignments instead of probability and if they are discussing probability they should explain how it relates to finding alignment.In post 117, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:Luna what do you think about the people who were talking about the probability stuff?
If they are scum like i think Exp is, then they are doing fine by shutting scumhunting by overfocusing on probability discussion.-
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Clearly not a thing.In post 120, Luna Fox wrote:shutting scumhunting by overfocusing on probability discussion.-
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???In post 133, Luna Fox wrote:@Exp: How come you havent commented on me not townhunting yet? Are you even really paying attention to anything im doing?
Was clearly semi-serious, at lesat I thought it was.In post 135, Luna Fox wrote:
Well all i remember seeing is something about being like 3.5% chance of being converted or whatever and i found that kind of discussion useless for figuring out alignments.In post 132, Cephrir wrote:the point of the probability discussion, while it got excessive, was to determine whether bb's play was likely town motivated.
as much as i don't agree with the conclusion that he's scum for his actions, it has more merit than most early game discussions i've seen
If Tim is "slinging mud at molla" then somehow he managed to make it look like he was just scumreading him.-
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I'm not sure what that means but are you saying that I'm scum?In post 139, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:
You already are assuming I'm mafia and your trying to fit my game in your scum illusion.In post 137, Expedience wrote:mediator
Your beyond help in this topic. as I said whenever you tried to read me and not just shitting around I'm here to answer.
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70% chance Luna Fox will call you scum for this postIn post 159, rb wrote:I want to talk about percentages again.-
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Personally I think that they should change the site so making your text bold should make it less visible and making text larger should actually make it smaller.
I feel like Cane + Able are just going to use bold text for the entire game as though it makes their opinions more bold, and that bothers me.-
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I don't like this post because you don't specifically address anyone.In post 541, rb wrote:Whoever the person that said the game isn't even Day 1, could you please outline how and why these pre-game interactions are apparently unimportant?
It may as well be called Day 1 with the way interactions are going.-
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Yes but they could just sign like normal hydras.In post 547, Luna Fox wrote:
Tbh i thought House was using normal text and Wake bold text to differentiate the heads.In post 544, Expedience wrote:Personally I think that they should change the site so making your text bold should make it less visible and making text larger should actually make it smaller.
I feel like Cane + Able are just going to use bold text for the entire game as though it makes their opinions more bold, and that bothers me.-
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Yes.In post 555, davesaz wrote:
Don't like it as in it's scummy?In post 546, Expedience wrote:
I don't like this post because you don't specifically address anyone.In post 541, rb wrote:Whoever the person that said the game isn't even Day 1, could you please outline how and why these pre-game interactions are apparently unimportant?
It may as well be called Day 1 with the way interactions are going.
Maybe a little, please explain the relevance of this question.Do you think effort is AI?-
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???In post 562, rb wrote:But Luna is our FRIEND.
Cane + Able's name bothers me because I keep expecting it to be Nero Cain, but he's in another hydra. They should probably have chosen a different name.-
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seriously though wtf is this.In post 562, rb wrote:But Luna is our FRIEND.
If you're scumreading me how does this post make any sense whatsoever?-
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It's obviously based off Cain & Abel though.In post 571, Cane + Able wrote:
Tough titty.In post 570, Expedience wrote:
???In post 562, rb wrote:But Luna is our FRIEND.
Cane + Able's name bothers me because I keep expecting it to be Nero Cain, but he's in another hydra. They should probably have chosen a different name.
1) Nero Cain is spelled quite differently.
2) Cane & Able is the title of a House episode.
And thanks for forming further distracting associations with Kurio's avatar.-
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would it change anything if I had a green role pmIn post 584, Stormblade wrote:
No excuse for scumminess.In post 581, Expedience wrote:Nahdia would it change anything if I wrote those posts at 3am in my timezone.
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Oh??? Well was Expedience talking about BBmolla? That's how I interpreted it >_> who else would they be talking about???[/quote]Cephrir wrote:
I didn't think Tim's 46 was about BBmolla.In post 578, Stormblade wrote:extremely shallow read. my first inclination was BBmolla was town for it but reading it again i was like "but why the fuck would he do this" and it instantly occured to me that he might be making an early claim for townpoints because that's something lots of people tend to townread but the info is honestly going to be widely useless.
I meant Wayward Thinker. BBmolla is null / slight town.-
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That doesn't make sense at all...In post 590, davesaz wrote:
You didn't like that the post was general in nature. General posts typically require less effort than specific. So it implied that you think less effort -> scummy. I wanted to test that logic by asking if you indeed think that way.In post 560, Expedience wrote:
Yes.In post 555, davesaz wrote:
Don't like it as in it's scummy?In post 546, Expedience wrote:
I don't like this post because you don't specifically address anyone.In post 541, rb wrote:Whoever the person that said the game isn't even Day 1, could you please outline how and why these pre-game interactions are apparently unimportant?
It may as well be called Day 1 with the way interactions are going.
Maybe a little, please explain the relevance of this question.Do you think effort is AI?
I didn't like it because it was a vague comment.-
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I think it's a perfectly valid excuse for why my posts earlier were especially poor quality. I don't remember exactly but I think I was trying to annoy people.In post 591, Cephrir wrote:
oh god i missed this awful, awful, awful scumpostIn post 581, Expedience wrote:Nahdia would it change anything if I wrote those posts at 3am in my timezone.
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Just, ew
Knowing myself most of those posts which Nahdia seemed to dislike were supposed to be joking but it didn't come across at all.-
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WHat would it tell you?In post 729, Klingoncelt wrote:Anyway, an Expedience flip would tell us some things, no?-
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Yes, that's what I have at the moment, I don't see the problem.In post 738, Wayward Thinker wrote:
So you have 3 Town reads and 5 Scum reads? This is just weird all over.In post 727, Expedience wrote:Townreads: Cephrir, Nosferatu, BBmolla
Scumreads: Luna Fox, rb, Titus, davesaz, RAM
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I kind of... don't want to react.In post 741, No Retreat wrote:I'm joining the wagon 'cause I'd like to see his reaction to an ever growing wagon. I also still dislike his 55.
I'm forcing myself to post here when I'd rather lurk.
55 was semi-serious. You can see that from how it doesn't make any sense. It's literally:
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When whoever wrote this post reads this, can you explain this in more detail?In post 305, RAM wrote:pedit — dram is scum? this gets even better-
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This post pinged me and I think it's because it sounds more like Titus is trying to convince herself that Klingoncelt is scum than anything else. That's the best I can explain it.In post 690, Titus wrote:
Not every read is mechanics based...In post 686, Klingoncelt wrote:
I'm not sheeping you.In post 679, Luna Fox wrote:I like the extras section of the vote count, wtg Mastin.
@Klingon: While i appreciate voting my scumread, can you comment on everything else?
That'smyScumread I'm voting.
I think Titus and the House heads are Town.
I think Lickety's Scum.
The game's too big with too many mechanics for me to comment on everything this freakin' early. Wednesday of next week is far more likely.
Seriously blatantly skirting content and fighting is your scum mo. Saw it in you can be anyone and saga.
I am not waiting, if I have my way, half way through an annoyingly long d1 to hear from you.-
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^ more scumpostingIn post 772, Luna Fox wrote:Apparently being (Insert time past midnight) has become the go to solution nowadays.-
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Titus is defending me indirectly and saying that Mathblade is confbiasing implies that she thinks that both Mathblade and I are town. Yet she has never stated this.In post 768, MathBlade wrote:
How am I conf biasing here? I have suggested a theory of you three and potentially Nos on a different team.In post 761, Titus wrote:@Math, You're confbiasing. You do that and you're very frequently wrong, regardless of alignment and you then scumread whoever disagrees.
Confirmation bias requires a history not just a suggestion when it was my catchup post.
Explain to me how Expedience is town. Because I do not see how me posting my catchup reads upon replace in confirms Expedience as town.-
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Are you serious?In post 775, Titus wrote:
Expedience is town because you're centering the game around him being scum. That person you center on (Infinity in gunslingers for instance) is almost always town.In post 768, MathBlade wrote:
How am I conf biasing here? I have suggested a theory of you three and potentially Nos on a different team.In post 761, Titus wrote:@Math, You're confbiasing. You do that and you're very frequently wrong, regardless of alignment and you then scumread whoever disagrees.
Confirmation bias requires a history not just a suggestion when it was my catchup post.
Explain to me how Expedience is town. Because I do not see how me posting my catchup reads upon replace in confirms Expedience as town.
Then you try to place associations on the first day of D1, preflips no less.
These associations are those who disagree with you.
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I didn't see this post. Ehhh that kind of invalidates everything I said but I still think Titus is scum.In post 716, Titus wrote:
It's Day 4 VCA in a large. If you're going to call me legendary...Ewwww, then at least get it right.In post 694, Klingoncelt wrote:I'll know more later on, but so far we haven't had Wake's Random Wall O' Bullshit, that's always a good sign.
Town House: Fuck you I'm not sorry.
Scum House: Could you go fuck yourself, please?
Titus' nitpicking tunnel looks typical of Town Titus. (Of course the best tell is her legendary Day 3 VCA.)
Second, your house read looks semanticky.
@Math, thanks for confirming expedience as town. P.s. I do have thoughts on expedience. :-p the wagon is rather crappy.
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It's not an assumption, that's literally what she's doing in 761.In post 803, davesaz wrote:
Why did you assume this was indirectly defending you? Wasn't Mathblade scum reading Titus? And if that is the case, wouldn't she be responding more to a confbias against her?In post 777, Expedience wrote:
Titus is defending me indirectly and saying that Mathblade is confbiasing implies that she thinks that both Mathblade and I are town. Yet she has never stated this.In post 768, MathBlade wrote:
How am I conf biasing here? I have suggested a theory of you three and potentially Nos on a different team.In post 761, Titus wrote:@Math, You're confbiasing. You do that and you're very frequently wrong, regardless of alignment and you then scumread whoever disagrees.
Confirmation bias requires a history not just a suggestion when it was my catchup post.
Explain to me how Expedience is town. Because I do not see how me posting my catchup reads upon replace in confirms Expedience as town.
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This is basically my gut feeling about rb's early posts that I couldn't put into words.In post 688, BBmolla wrote:rb is hiding behind his percentage "jokes"
Kurio's ISO is some weird shit and I'm not sure how to interpret it. I'd be interested to see him post more.-
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I don't actually think Cain and Abel are scum, I was just taunting them because colored text...In post 810, Titus wrote:
The wagon on him is an utter shit, get the game going wagon. Klingon's vote is textbook jump onto safe wagon.In post 802, MathBlade wrote:
You want to "help me get better" and a "direct approach" fine.In post 794, Titus wrote:
Yeah, you do Nero imo, but that's a discussion for another time. At least I am telling Math the problem rather than just saying they suck. They are not a bad player if they'd stop trying to fit everything immediately and observe/document the patterns for collaborative discussion, they'd be more effective and possibly easier to work with and correct wrong reads faster. Given I used to do that myself, i figured a direct approach is best.In post 782, No Retreat wrote:I don't think that makes Expedience town. I think you are terrible but even I don't discredit you that bad.
Teach me how to read people. Start by explaining why Expedience is town without using my posts. Because quite frankly even without what I think is potential associative tells it is still likely Expedience is scum. Show me how I am wrong and how you are right.
There's much scumier players but Expedience takes off, right after he threatens Cain and Able...
I don't agree with many of his reads, but disagreement is not scummy. He takes positions that are aggressive and unpopular, sound familiar?
Second, I have my flaws. Don't take me stopping you from making my mistakes as me being a total elitst. I could be wrong on Expedience.
Oh right, but you do supposedly think Cain and Abel are scum. I might actually read that conversation now.
I really find it unfeasible that you're suggesting I'm being wagoned just because I attacked Cain and Abel. Like, that's clearly not the cause, the cause was Nahdia's post. It looks like fake confbias because it just makes so little sense.-
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This is dumb.In post 821, Salt Squad wrote:
1) Yes you asked him for pointless information and there was never any follow up to the questions on your part. I don't think the information you where asking for is important for town to know this early which made me believe you where scum. Responding to my pregame read this late to try and discredit me is a top kek. Like did you just go through my ISO and try and find a way to discredit the primary player pushing your wagon?In post 809, Wayward Thinker wrote:
1) yeah, and I have no idea why you think it was informations fishing. I was pretty straight forward for me wanting to know what BB was from
2) Meh? that's all you have to say about it? I don't want to see you confirmation biasing me 30 pages from now.
3) Honestly, with some of the rest of the stuff you have said, I wouldn't put it past you if you were actually serious there. Your ISO is full of stuff like this that doesn't make any sense.
2) Meh. Yes you are town reading someone for something in an ongoing game (only meta based read you can't talk about). What do you want me to say to you regarding this? I have no idea what this read is based on and as a result it means nothing to me.
3) Town don't take posts like 684 seriously and if they do they ignore it. You are feeling victimized of literally nothing.
VOTE THIS SLOT PLEASE.
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It clearly wasn't because of that, it was because *goes to check because I actually don't know lol* oh that's right Nahdia disagrees with my entire ISO.In post 829, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:I can't see why expe wagon formed.
people just voted him.
someone explain why they felt the aggression and calling so many people scum is scummy
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Also that reminded me, I decided earlier that you were town because of 146. I strongly think the natural scum move would have been to say that you were scumreading me.-
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If you're town and aware that you have weaknesses like this, then you shouldn't be voting me.In post 838, Luna Fox wrote:
Because he's been calling me scum for no reason and i don't like thatIn post 829, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:someone explain why they felt the aggression and calling so many people scum is scummy
The emote is so out of place and leads to this interpretation.
This is scummy and shows a difference between stance and implied opinion.
In this way this post is a scumclaim but I don't have the right words to describe it... I feel like I did a bad job of explaining.-
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See, this is the way to say what Luna Fox said without scumclaiming.In post 848, davesaz wrote:I have him as scum for trying to fit what I'm posting into scum motivation, but I have a weakness for OMGUSing people and want to check it vs. other evidence.
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