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Yeah, well, I prefaced it in the Signup Topic that I won't be very active in a high post game. I have a full time job and a family to support and spend time with. So, I can either not read and post random stuff to look active, or I can post once in a while with game related reads and responses after I've skimmed or read through as much as possible.In post 1286, Cane + Able wrote:{Franky, Toogeloo, Skybird, TWIE}
Unless we start seeing some activity out of these slots soonish, I could get behind voting in that group.
I have a phone, so on breaks at work I can sometimes skim through if I'm not talking with other people, other than that, my main times I can post are usually at lunch, provided there isn't a lot of catching up to do, and just before bed. Occasionally, I might be able to get something in when I get home. This isn't new information, and people should know this about me already.-
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Maybe you should be a vegetarian.In post 1291, Cane + Able wrote:
Yeah, well my beef is that you haven't done either.In post 1289, Toogeloo wrote:Yeah, well, I prefaced it in the Signup Topic that I won't be very active in a high post game. I have a full time job and a family to support and spend time with. So, I can either not read and post random stuff to look active, or I can post once in a while with game related reads and responses after I've skimmed or read through as much as possible.-
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...repeated for emphasis.In post 1287, Toogeloo wrote:Got two requests...
1) Can anyone tell me which roles should generally be claimed Day 1? I might have one worth it.
2) Anyone want to give me cliffnotes about the game to save me some reading ?
Gonna start to skim through now, try and find the actual start of Day 1.-
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I'm not sure this is true. My wincon doesn't mention a specific nation at all, but this is some sort of multi-ball, so I'm gonna guess that Titus and I are of separate factions, though how would multiple town factions even work if there is a case for this?In post 526, Titus wrote:
The three human nations. If you were town, that'd be evident.In post 526, Cane + Able wrote:
Three?In post 520, Titus wrote:@LQ, Yeah well, that's life. Not going to rushwhen I feel uncomfortable. Doubly so with 3 town factions. Gtmy, you're town but I have like 5% confidence there.
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In post 1298, Luna Fox wrote:
Re: 1: Possibly any negative utility roles that could do more harm to town by not knowing them.In post 1294, Toogeloo wrote:
...repeated for emphasis.In post 1287, Toogeloo wrote:Got two requests...
1) Can anyone tell me which roles should generally be claimed Day 1? I might have one worth it.
2) Anyone want to give me cliffnotes about the game to save me some reading ?
Gonna start to skim through now, try and find the actual start of Day 1.
Re: 2: From what memory serves, there's been issues with Wayward and davesaz, davesaz posted a case on Exp scum, there's also been general issues with Exp, i claimed non human that wins with town, molla also claimed non human that wins with town, and there's been issues with Almost50's reads list.
K, thx guys.In post 1299, Heartless wrote:
certain neg utilities. miller (or anything that gives false guilties to investigatives) is an obvious one.In post 1287, Toogeloo wrote:1) Can anyone tell me which roles should generally be claimed Day 1? I might have one worth it.
i also think stuff like ascetic and pgo should be first post claims but some ppl would argue w/ me there-
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I get that, and I know what it means. Nation and Faction are different, which is why Titus' claim of three town factions isn't right.In post 1310, Heartless wrote:
plz read mastin's op stuff: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p8100520In post 1302, Toogeloo wrote:I'm not sure this is true. My wincon doesn't mention a specific nation at all, but this is some sort of multi-ball, so I'm gonna guess that Titus and I are of separate factions, though how would multiple town factions even work if there is a case for this?
i'm not being a smartass, i say that matter-of-factlyThis is where confusion starts to set in. If there is more than one town faction, then for what reason would they be a threat to each other, and why not just be one town all together, or can they only win when the other town factions are eliminated as well since there seems to be a "war" element to the game too?
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Up to page 33. I'm not feeling this yet. I think the claim of the factions might be town believing one thing, but not having the necessary information to bridge the gap, and therefore possibly putting their foot in their mouth. Most of Titus' posts haven't looked scummy either, and I've been mostly looking at those in my skim. I believe it's more likely that we are both town, just different town factions.In post 1303, BBmolla wrote:Titus is just scum-
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I am a Human in a Faction that wins when all threats to it are eliminated. My faction name starts with the letter "I" so if that's different than you, we can solve that if necessary. I won't divulge more than that at the moment.In post 1448, Almost50 wrote:Also, Luna + BB + Toog. Humans need to flip one of these before the end of the game to ensure their win con indeed allows them to win with us.
My role, if played correctly, would suggest I won't be alive til anywhere close to end game either. That said, I have little confidence in playing my role correctly, because it's a first for me lol.-
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Looking at the last vote count from earlier today, Expedience is still leading, though from the last 10ish pages since my entrance, no one has discussed them in any length. Are they just not worth discussing anymore, or are we actively moving in a different direction with all this PGO semantic argumentative that happened for the last half dozen pages?
I have Titus and Almost50 as town at the moment. I haven't really developed deeper reads than that, though I might look into Luna since someone said she claimed non-human aligned with town.-
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-You could be culted regardless.In post 1573, Stormblade wrote:I'm not going to get invested early in this game because if I do, I will lead the town and drive a lynch on cult, and then probably get recruited into that same cult the very night after I lynched them. That's my luck. Another reason is that it takes 15 to lynch and we are so far off from that. Another reason is there are too many players and I can't keep track until this number dwindles down.
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-Lynch is based off plurality, not majority. So, you don'tneedto get 15, you just need to get the most at deadline.
I feel like you are making excuses, mate. And trying to site an example that's against your meta doesn't really buy my confidence.
Maybe she took a Prozac?In post 1620, Cane + Able wrote:Where is town!tunnel!Titus?-
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This is, and always will be, the issue with all Hydras, not just isolated to this particular case.In post 1626, rb wrote:I meant that both Errant + ABR have just now declared their intent to wait until later. I didn't mean that they decided pre/early-game to get out of her way, I meant that I don't like how 2/3 of Stormblade's heads are taking a backseat role when their slot is being townread so heavily.-
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I mean their lack of accountability across heads in general, I'm not softing anything. Sure, we always say we treat the Hydra slot as a whole as one player, but it's impossible not to discount the fact they are voiced by multiple people, and that we will agree with thoughts of one head while disagreeing with those of another. Hydra dissonance can create an easy scapegoat for any issues that players may have with that slot, enough so that as long as one head can make sense, most people will generally ignore it.Why are you softing for SB?
Do you think they require your help?
I assure you, Nahdia is capable of fending for herself, as is ABR.
Idk errant.
I actually would be fine with a SB lynch as it stands right now, mainly because I don't feel this is town ABR.-
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Sure it does. It's townread due to Nahdia, not the other two, so despite dislike of the actions regarding ABR and errant, the slot likely won't have any trouble keeping away from a lynch because people will be hesitant to the townposting on Nahdia's part.In post 1642, rb wrote:That I don't like ABR + Errant taking a backseat on a heavy townread slot doesn't have much to do with it being a Hydra.
All you've done is voiced your dislike, but unless you put action to your words, you're more or less fine with the way it's going as well and will continue to let ABR and errant do their thing.-
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I feel like FA is the type of player that would flip the Monopoly Board and storm out of the room if she landed on an opponent's Boardwalk with a Hotel.
I haven't been able to do any real reading, and the game just keeps getting longer, so I've opted to try a new strategy through Day 1 (and possibly Day 2 and 3), and just like in from time to time, ask anyone if they have any questions of me while I readat mostthe last 10 pages of game.
Did anyone want to discuss my partial claim from earlier, my vote on Multi, or anything else I posted? It may not be wise to ask me what I think of the game state outside of my own posts though, because that would be pretty limited.-
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To be fair, I will also read at least a page or two after my last posts in order to address any questions that come up if I've logged off. But if there continues to be 30+ pages between each of my posts, I'm gonna flat out tell you I won't likely be reading all of them (for now). Typically, I'm ok with reading 30 pages a day, but it's gotten very difficult for me to remember who's who in this game in particular due mostly because while the game might be 28 (which is already a lot), it's actually more due to all the Hydra heads as well making my head spin trying to categorize players.-
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You are always on defense about people attacking you when, in most cases no one is, and you are almost always one of the first people to throw stones as well. You take everything, even the most innocent comments or jokes, as personal affronts to your very being many times, and always play the drama queen and talk about how you're physically durressed in real life as a result.In post 2218, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:
I never cheated in my whole life and I never flaked when things were bad for me in a game. Thats not even close to what happened hereIn post 2210, Toogeloo wrote:I feel like FA is the type of player that would flip the Monopoly Board and storm out of the room if she landed on an opponent's Boardwalk with a Hotel.
what do you want me to do against an a... like him? stand here and get insulted?
I have better stuff to do with my life.
stop calling out my name or talking about me or my play style. you have no rights to question me or judge me here. fuck you all for making all my games personal and then accusing me for it.
as I said fire will be on control for a while. I can't deal with this shit
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Hell, Bloodborne mafia's end game is nothing but a rant on your part about how shit everyone is and that you were wronged in some way.-
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Kuroi is a big boy, and not likely to lose his shit at being the biggest wagon early into Day 1. He just barely hit 2/3rds a majority Lynch, and most Day 1s tend to be super swingy as Lynch leads change frequently. He could just be biding his time til a new flavor of the month pops up. 28 player game and all, getting 15 people to agree on a single lynch is tough, and he could very well be banking on it.In post 2260, RAM wrote:
Saga Frontier begs to differ.In post 2258, Toogeloo wrote:It's day 1, what's wrong with a nice easy wagon to work with? Let's not over complicate and elongate what is going to be the longest most disassociating Day 1 mafia game ever.
Your point still stands though. The problem I have is the fact that Kuroi is like...basically just not defending himself. WT sorta defended themselves, but they're really not saying that much, but what little they say is all bad. It's an inept defense versus no defense, and idk, just doesn't feel like scum would actually just suck this badly at staying alive when there's an infinite number of other people to let the game focus on.
That's what I mean by too easy, and why it gives me pause.
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My thoughts...In post 2882, Titus wrote:@Nero,
I believe the factions are as follows
1) Human with 3 subfactions based on regions, north/east/west +hunters??
2) lycans plus wulden (although wulden may just be the cult)
3) undead
4) nosferatu
5) vampires
6) cult
7) yellow foxes (whatever Luna is)
Cult is likely one of Werewolf (Lycan), Vampire, or Undead (if we are assuming Zombie tropes). Not really knowing anything about the flavor itself, these 3 "monsters" are generally known for turning other humans into one of their numbers if they haven't turned them into a meal. Nosferatu in this game are supposed to be some kind of Werewolf+Vampire hybrid, but as far as I always knew, Nosferatu were just vampires, so /shrug. This is more just hypothesis.
As far as the Human Faction goes, while my role PM does specifically state which region and location I am of, the Faction I belong to itself has absolutely no tie in to either of those. I can almost assuredly state there are likely more than 1 Human faction in this game and that breaking them down by Region or Location probably isn't correct.
-Copper joins my town reads. From what I read, he definitely feels town here. I want to say Kling is town as well, but less sure on that slot.
-Whoever said the Kuroi wagon was "too easy," as you can see, it's pretty much evaporating and rarely discussed anymore. Kuroi has lurked out a bit, and other people are taking the limelight. Unless anyone has 100% reason to believe some one is town, can we all just pick a lynch and see it through before we get another 100 pages of content most people aren't going to read? A game this size, and not a singular "vanilla" role, Night Actions are almost assuredly going to tell us more than Day 1 will even get close to telling.
I haven't done a proper read of the last 10 pages or so.-
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Lynching from your neighborhood on Day 1 strictly on the basis you've given isn't really a great move in my opinion. You haven't given anyone any time in your hood to trust or not trust each other. You're paranoia posting more about it than actually letting the reads progress naturally. Mastina isn't going to give you a straight-forward, "they are either aliens or scum" and then not have them all be like "oh we're aliens, yo'." Something of your puzzle is still missing, and lynching isn't going to be the right way to solve that.In post 2981, Luna Fox wrote:As it stands, my neighborhood is stressing me out more than this thread.
I have a hard time giving opinions on them because it's a big risk lynching any and being wrong.
And i bet this post is going to make them even more mad at me.
I'm just gonna take a break from this game.-
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I can't specifically state unless I fully divulge my wincon. I've got to assume there are other players with my wincon as well, unless Human is a broad wincon and they prefixes before Human or just for flavor, but suffice to say, I don't have some Regional Human win condition.In post 2990, Titus wrote:@Toog, What else would we be divided by?-
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EBWOP:In post 2992, Toogeloo wrote:unless Human is a broad wincon and the prefixes before Human are just for flavor-
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You know what, I'm actually just going to full claim all but my role itself. To be honest, if I die at night, I've done my job anyways, so I think the pros outweigh the cons here.
I belong to the Individual Human faction. I investigate as Northern Tribes for Region and Other for Location, but my wincon specifically says that I am of the Individual Humans and win when all threats to my faction are eliminated.While my Region says Northern Tribes, that is the one and only time it's mentioned in my Role PM, and it doesn't suggest to me in any way shape or form that I am specifically grouped with them, in fact, my win con basically does the opposite by saying I am an individual.
I think this information will prove more useful out in the open.-
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I am town right now. My role is specifically designed to get me killed at night if I play it right.In post 3003, TheWayItEnds wrote:So are we taking bets on what faction toog gets recruited by and on what day or....?
If I am still alive anywhere near end game, I need to be lynched or vigged. Promise me.-
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Cult would never recruit me now, I've made too big of a target of myself.
Mafia will want me dead just in case.
Town will want me dead just in case.
I want to die "on purpose" at night.
I've also stated that if I am alive at end game, I need to die.
None of those scream "recruit that guy," to me.
I never said anything about "we shouldn't out info," other players do that. If you know me, you know I love claims since they give info to work with. I would say I've partially claimed, fully claimed, or at least breadcrumbed in almost every game I've ever played.after all the shitty "not out any info" alarms the whole day long you just come out and full claimed for us for what?-
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Explain. If I get roleblocked or killed, I've successfully fulfilled my roles objective, so I'd like to understand why you think I'm negative utility.In post 3026, dramonic wrote:@Toog: You've made yourself negative utility to every faction including your own. GJ champ.-
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The whole, "protect your role with your life" thing is far too passive in a game of this size with as many mechanics as it has. If scum have fake claims, then they probably know about the Individual Humans. Scum already have more information to work with in general. Region and Location I've given have nothing to do with my role, but maybe they have something to do with someone else's role. If that is a positive amount of information for them, then it's a boon. If it's negative for myself, it's still a boon because of my role.
I gave this a lot of thought, trust me. I guarantee you all that there was more to gain from my flavor claim than there was to lose.
Mom take away your crayons?Not gonna draw you a picture Toog.-
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Stop trying to be a mafia purist and understand that different mentalities play this game. Town needs info, it craves it, and that info not only comes from reads, but from gaining insight as to overall setup picture as well, which in this particular game screams as a necessity. One claim from a not so important role isn't going to be the nail in the coffin. I didn't claim cop or doctor, hell I didn't claim anything other than flavor.In post 3035, dramonic wrote:Unfortunately that's pretty subjective.
Now the question becomes, with this information, are you going to just mope around and berate my play, or are you going to do something constructive with it?-
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Same question to you. I just gave you some info, so go drink your vodka and show me what it helps you with.In post 3042, Titus wrote:@Toog, what the fuck man?-
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It's also reasonable to assume in a game this large that scum probably have fake claims so as to not trip over each other when a claim is called for. My flavor claim does nothing to help them in that regard as they likely already have some insight to one or more town factions so they can claim them without fear.In post 3050, rb wrote:Yes but it's also reasonable to assume in a game setup like this that there will be multiple flips at night and then we can claim, without making the game easier for cult/scum factions on Day 1.
We can play this circular logic all day if you like.
PEdit: House was part of the Cane and Able Hydra that Wake is now sole player of, and iirc, he is still banned, so not likely.-
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Wulden are likely cult based on my flavor, and judging by the wording in the flavor, Nosferatu are ex-Hunters that have turned evil, so "maybe" mafia, or could be the multi-ball team.In post 3056, copper223 wrote:@Toog
From your flavor can you tell if the scum faction is nosferatu or wulden?-
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Go outside and kick some stones. Come back when you're ready to play mafia.In post 3059, dramonic wrote:Some people should not be allowed in theme games-
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It's deadpan sarcasm, and not designed to be intelligent.In post 3057, dramonic wrote:but "If I'm the cause of this loss I'll never play again" on D1 is a dumb statement.-
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touchéIn post 3068, dramonic wrote:In post 3061, Toogeloo wrote:
Go outside and kick some stones. Come back when you're ready to play mafia.In post 3059, dramonic wrote:Some people should not be allowed in theme gamesIn post 3045, Toogeloo wrote:
Stop trying to be a mafia purist and understand that different mentalities play this game.In post 3035, dramonic wrote:Unfortunately that's pretty subjective.-
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I wear my pants on my head though .In post 3144, MathBlade wrote:Oh and people stop fucking claiming Jesus. Pants are incredible!-
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No, but it sure does look funny... (o)In post 3262, Wayward Thinker wrote:OK, but TlT doesn't quite have the same ring to it.-
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Toogeloo Jack of All Trades
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Toogeloo Jack of All Trades
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Been here for a while.In post 3601, Cephrir wrote:I have changed from skimming to skipping.
Vote: Kuroi
Please tell me a hammer is close.-
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Toogeloo Jack of All Trades
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If you have a town PM then you'd know the color is blue though, so why would you argue that red and blue were both banned, yet be fine with the blue and not the red?In post 3721, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:The red text of truth in all forms, and its accompaniment, the Blue Text of Truth are banned on MS.
Not all forms were truth tells, but people used them as truth tells.
so I'm asking the mod: Am I allowed to use the Red?-
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Toogeloo Jack of All Trades
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I was exhausted yesterday after walking around a park 5 times (10+ km) catching pokemon and waiting for eggs to hatch in Pokemon Go... I came home, saw the post from Almost with red and blue text (since it pops on mafiablack) and then you say something about red and blue being banned and my initial thought was that role pm color was being discussed. I passed out shortly after, so I really didn't know anything about what I was talking about.In post 3729, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:The fuck are you on about? No one is talking about Role PM colours?
This should actually be a good indication that the game is in a bad state though. I'm obviously not reading, and I'm almost positive I'm not the only one, so when I do feel like I need to comment on something, it's like I pop in and just comment on some half sentence I heard while walking by someone's open window.
Unless you have a 100% town clear on Kuroi, would you all just please vote him so we can get a flip and go into Night and let some Night actions give us direction for tomorrow?-
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Kuroi's PM:dram's PM:
These two players are obviously scum due to the REDACTED - FACTIONAL portion of their PM. The redacted information is almost assuredly factional chat and/or team buddies. Titus and Molla didn't have any such redaction, and both were Humans, so they are almost assuredly town flips. Multi-town game doesn't necessarily indicate that the towns are against each other, even though there flavor might suggest it.
Based on speculation of flips, I want to say dramonic was possibly our cult since his PM is the only PM thus far to state that at least one member is required to be alive to win.
I attempted to scan the location of dramonic last night, but I got a "no result" returned, which suggests I was blocked as I see nothing in dram's flavor to suggest that targeting him would cause a location scan to fail.-
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I have the exact same wincon as BBMolla, color and all.In post 4318, Expedience wrote:Toogeloo, is your win condition related to the treaty or does it just say something about threats to the individual human faction?-
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