Penalty Box Mafia - Eagles. Game over. Scum wins (0-1)

[Lowell]

Thank god. The game's not even started and already I have no idea what's going on. This bodes well for me.

[Lowell]

Lowell why do you even sign up for games? The mod might as well line up a replacement for you cuz you're gonna lurk and have no clue what's going on.

I know. Cute, isn't it?

[Lowell]

My guess is scum have a way of influencing things if they are on the ice.

As long as we're accepting guesses...

[Lowell]

Did MoS roll my name or does he just not like me?

Either way, it's either him or me.

vote MoS

As much as I'd love to believe I'm just lying in wait to screw everyone, it isn't to be.

[Lowell]

ZOMG LOWELL POSTED!

Anix must be informed that the appocolypse signs are still being fullfilled.

Okay this line of joke is going to get boring fast.

Besides, I don't lurk until the game starts getting good.

[Lowell]

I'm of the opinion that more information would help town more than it will help scum. My experience is that scum figure out the mechanics of the game before the town en masse does.

That's a long way of saying if someone finds out anything, we ought report it.

I'll start: nothing has happened to me....

[Lowell]

Ooh. That's cunning. I wonder how much we can get the esssential symmetry of the games to work in our favour?

Yeah, really. It should be fun as both games grind to a halt waiting for the other to do something...

[Lowell]

Let's just bandwagon someone. No guts no glory.

[Lowell]

Primate I can't tell what you're getting at here. Is that sarcasm or not?

If not I'll happily claim what positions I'm best at.

[Lowell]

I have no idea. I guess it would be nice if one perosn from each position could claim. As in, take positions one by one and find one person to claim, while others stay silent.

Again, I don't really understand the game dynamics, but it seems probable that having the right people in the right positions helps us.

[Lowell]

vote oman

. I'll jump on the WIFOM. Why the hell not.

[Lowell]

Mostly I can see mafia wanting to try out their powers on each other before they try them out on others.

[Lowell]

unvote

. Time to find someone better.

Primate, explain to me why we're not doing the "put people in the right positions" plan I outlined?

[Lowell]

When zorg comes back I'd like to hear why voting me feels so good.

[Lowell]

Does anyone mind if I claim a position?

I really feel like we're harming ourselves by basically randomly placing people on the ice...

[Lowell]

I think I can guess it, Lowell.

Really?

Do tell.

[Lowell]

Oh and Lowell, the reason my vote is still on you is because unless i'm going mad, your comments don't add up, as far as positionclaiming goes. I cant say more without claiming, but suffice to say i think your pushing of this position-claim issue is either scummy, or at the very least, foolish.

Huh. Well, okay, I'll guess take your word for it for now. I'll just say that my role seems relatively straightforward, and I'm having trouble seeing why my claiminig a position would be so awful.

Thus ends talks of claiming...

[Lowell]

More frowny faces? I don't get it. Show me what you mean.

[Lowell]

he wants you to be penalty boxed, I think, though I don't know why...

No no I got it, thanks.

[Lowell]

We've spent too much time talking about how to get penalties and not enough time randomly voting people out.

I still think Oman is the likeliest scum at this point. For the simple reason that I don't, in any way, see "let's try to figure out ways to get penalties" as equal to "let's try to vote out scum and win the game."

[Lowell]

vote oman

. Thought I had already done that.

[Lowell]

Yeah, I really don't understand what's going on here. Why are we tolerating Oman on the ice?

[Lowell]

I hope so. Let's get this show on the road.

[Lowell]

Bah, go Hawks.

You know, I would've tested penalties town or scum, it just so happens this time you got lucky

Translation: "I'm bad at the game"

Go team.

[Lowell]

MoS, I totally carried us to that Oman lynch. Give a minute to celebrate before you accuse me of bussing, at least...

[Lowell]

Uh, what?

Didn't we just lynch the crap out of one of their people?

I have no idea what's going on. Are we trying to score or are we trying to lynch?

Also, coach, put me in the game, please.

[Lowell]

Call me insane, but I'm not sure I think flameaxe is scum.

[Lowell]

I would, however, like to see flameaxe off the ice.

[Lowell]

I like that lineup, and agree I dont' really care who the last person is.

Three things:
1) I now firmly think flameaxe is innocent.
2) Primate, I think you may be right about why we conceded a goal... though it does, on some level, seem a little to obvious
3) MoS usually hates me and finds me suspicious. Not as much this game... THIS I find suspicious

[Lowell]

I don't have any leading suspects at this point, TBH. I'd as soon try to draw out a lurker as do anything else.

[Lowell]

I'm going to do a quick reread again.

[Lowell]

double-post

[Lowell]

Yeah, when scummy people vote me for stupid reasons it makes me happy.

Shanba makes my list for his last post.

.... my GOOD list. So far it includes Shanba and Flameaxe. I won't vote for either of these two at this point.

[Lowell]

For my own benefit, to get back up to speed. This is from the start of the Oman wagon on D1:

259- MoS votes Oman for getting penalties (vote not counted)
264- Lowell votes Oman, ditto (2nd vote)
272- creampuff takes penalty
279- Shanba votes Oman (3rd vote)
281- JDodge votes Oman (4th)
285- creampuff votes Oman (5th)
297- zorg votes Oman (6th)
298- Shanba points out we may weaken team by lynching player on the ice
305- Oman votes MoS for blaming others for penalty
312- Oman (scum) killed by KillerBob, Lowell, JDodge, CPE, Zorg, Shanba
318- MoS wants reread of Zorg, Lowell, Flameaxe, and CPE
323- Hawks score goal retardedly
327- Flameaxe smashes
329- Flameaxe smashes again
344- official daystart; JDodge votes flameaxe
345- MoS votes Flameaxe
346- Flameaxe has capital-letter-laden meltdown
347- Flameaxe points out the dumbness of getting a penalty when game isn't on (good)
348- Lowell doubts Flame's scumminess, but wants him off the ice
350- MoS agrees, also wants creampuff off
355- MoS unvotes, votes creampuff
358- Primte wants Shanba, JDodge, creampuff, and Lowell on the ice
372- MoS disagrees w/ Primate on issue of creampuff
376- creampuff continues bizzaire baiting, declares self a lurker
377- On the ice: Lowell, panzer, zorg, creampuff, shanba, JDodge
384- Zorg votes Lowell, declares him a bad goalie
390s- argument between primate/MoS
397- zorg FOSs MoS
399- JDodge voes MoS for getting penalties
408- Flameaxe votes zorg
414- JDodge smashes
423- JDodge votes Flameaxe
425- Flame unvotes, votes JDodge
433- flame selfvotes
440- Lowell declares townishness from Shanba and Flameaxe
441- Shanba votes TVZ
443- Shanba gets smashing penalty (I think)

Two things:
1) I'm not hugely suspicious of any of the players in the forefront right now (JDodge and Flame)
2) MoS, it seems your vote didn't count on D1, yet you didn't seem to care too much. Any reason why you think your vote didn't count and why you didn't bring it up to the mod?
3) I think zorg is innocent. While his attacks on me are retarded, I think he's at least showing a little courage. So give him points for that. Also, I think he has some role-based information on certain players he's not telling us.

I'd be up for lynching a lurker (or non-entity) at this point, should we not be able to get them replaced. I don't really want to lynch someone who is on the ice.

[Lowell]

Okay then. Follow up question, any idea who I should vote for?

[Lowell]

Anyone?

[Lowell]

Call me a sucker, but for some reason I'm not convinced CPE is scum, either. His openly baiting everyone to vote him could be scum move, but I'm thinking in a dying game like this is more likely a townie trying to stave off boredom.

That said, if CPE and Flame are scum, I'll probably have to quit mafia forever.

[Lowell]

Indeed.

[Lowell]

mod

. Let's get some replacements or something.

[Lowell]

unvote, vote gatorguy

Did we ever get a replacement for him? If not, let's just get rid of him.

[Lowell]

GOOD PLAY GUYS.

Are you being sarcastic? I actually can't tell. If so, what do you propose?

[Lowell]

I'm coming around on the CPE lynch idea, and MoS is starting to climb up my scumladder. He's way more conciliatory than I'm used to.

I still very much believe flameaxe to be innocent.

[Lowell]

Also, keep me on the ice but take me out of goal.

On the ice I'd like myself, flame, and shanba. I am also of the opinion that there's a chance having lurkers on the ice isn't going to help us.

[Lowell]

vote creampuff

. I'm not thrilled with this vote, TBH.

[Lowell]

Why would lineup be random? Just pick the six least scummy people...

Also, I like how we lynch scum every time and are "losing". This game is retarded.

Primate, I'm up for claim too. Who do you want to go first?

[Lowell]

Sorry, I don't really understand. If it's true that we have a new scum that wasn't scum before, then I no longer see the point of claiming, since presumably the new scum would have a town role PM. Or am I missing something?

[Lowell]

Okay I finally see what happened. I totally ignored that part of the lynch result post. I

knew

MoS was acting differently!

MOD

, how bout this? You randomize ONE of the other team's scum by randomly choosing one of the three and taking him/her out of the game, bring in a new player, and randomize which of the remaining players (including the newbie) becomes scum. Sound okay?

[Lowell]

Of course, that requires yet another replacement, but whatever.

Primate, I'm a forward by trade. Don't put me in goal.

Double post.

[Lowell]

Here's a suggestion. To overcome the randomness of the new scum, I suggest Primate randomly suggest a player and we quicklynch them. This gives the other team (that DOESN'T have this disadvantage) less time to think about their decision, which presumably helps the scum in the other game.

Thoughts?

[Lowell]

left forward

[Lowell]

So this is really what we're doing, huh?

Okay.

vote no lynch

[Lowell]

I did claim. And why can't we score? The game mechanics make no sense.

[Lowell]

Even if our scum is on the ice, isn't the other team, like, 40% scum (aka brave stalwart heroes) at this point?? Shouldn't we pretty much have a huge advantage no matter what?

[Lowell]

MOD

, I think you'd have more luck finding a replacement if you sold is as being a fresh start, as it pretty much is at this point. Anyone coming in wouldn't have to read back, since we're random at this point anyway.

[Lowell]

Is anyone paying attention? Has the other team lynched any scum yet?

If not, I propose another no lynch. It'll force them to either (a) lynch fast, or (b) no lynch also, either of which, one would think, would favor us.

[Lowell]

Okay sorry, I'm falling behind. Interest is waning. Lynching scum doesn't help, so it's hard to know what to do. Carry on.

[Lowell]

I too would like to see this power claimed.

Is it violating the spirit of the rules if we ask MoS whether he had any special powers as scum?

[Lowell]

I too would recommend a rotation of players. I'll sit out if you want.

[Lowell]

I'm not a huge fan of zeek being in there, TBH. Otherwise it looks okay.

[Lowell]

FOS flameaxe

. Just a theory. And yes I know the day hasn't started.

[Lowell]

We're tryign to speed this, right?

vote no lynch

[Lowell]

I'm not dodging it, it just doesn't matter now as long as we're no-lynching.

[Lowell]

If I had to guess, I'd say the flavor sounds like our scum on the ice is probably on the front line.

[Lowell]

So, what exactly is happening right now?

[Lowell]

*bump*?

[Lowell]

Okay I'll go again.

Primate, how about you keep the defensive line the same and shuffle in new offensive players?

[Lowell]

Whatever.

[Lowell]

Shuffling the lineup can't hurt, though, is the point.

As for flameaxe, the case basically consists of "he's less abraisive than before, why is he acting differently?"

[Lowell]

vote no lynch

. Get on with it.

[Lowell]

I'll agree with all that.

[Lowell]

I agree w/ Zeek that I doubt we lose too much by putting a left forward at right forward or visa versa. I say we continue to rotate players in and out. If at any point we score, we've probably isolated the scum.

Even if not, I find it unlikely that we'd concede another goal if eveyone is in more or less the right positions and at most one scum is on the ice.

[Lowell]

I'm comfortable no lynching. We're still ahead in scum, so we should eventually be able to catch up.

[Lowell]

No worries, nothing happens here anyway.

[Lowell]

Hmm, turns out Mafiahockey is no less boring than real hockey. Who knew.

What say those of us who are here just vote on a lineup, and we pick one of those.

[Lowell]

Also, who wouldn't agree to sub as the COACH??

[Lowell]

Lineup looks fine to me.

[Lowell]

vote no lynch

. Hockey is.... fun?

[Lowell]

What a thrilling way to go out...

[Lowell]

Basically what I'm saying is that because we had the exact same result for 2 days in a row, and we did this even though we switched everyone up position-wise (except Flameaxe) it basically proves that:

-TVZ and JDodge are interchangeable (aka they are both centers)
-Lowell and Zeek are interchangeable (aka they are both left wings)
-Shanba and MoS are interchangeable (aka they are both left defenders)

So the scum is one of the two who are not. I think the other team would have scored again by now if Cap was the scum, so it's gotta be Flame.

I'm voting for him when day begins.

I'm down with this. This is a good a reason as any I've seen.

[Lowell]

vote flameaxe

. Action time.

[Lowell]

man this is death. *bump*

[Lowell]

I volunteer to play two roles at once. Would that help?

[Lowell]

I'm out for the week. Not like anyone cares.

[Lowell]

Haha did we really get called out by the mod for not lynching?!?

Hilarious.

[Lowell]

I don't really see why a lynch is even necessary... I mean, the other team scored a goal before even lynching any scum. If I am truly scum as you say, keeping me on the bench would allow the team to be better. But if I'm town (like I am), and nothing changes, you don't have that risk of losing a townie.

Duh.

^^^^ Losing argument.

[Lowell]

^^^^ agree with this.

Also, *bump*

[Lowell]

MoS- if this is true, why don't we bench BOTH Dodge and TVZ? Is there a reason you want one of them on the ice?

[Lowell]

Since the other team only has one scum left, Foolster should shuffle them up too. That would give us a chance, they might put their scum in net or something and we could score.

Of course, you'd think in that case the mod should have shuffled their scum when he shuffled ours.

[Lowell]

Here.

vote tvz

[Lowell]

Also Lowell why didn't you claim you had poison (like the guy in the other thread did) and why didn't you use it?

I was the scum in the reshuffle. Which isn't to say the whole thing didn't annoy me, because it did. I guess I, uh... "win".

As for the poison, while I was town I just forgot.

[Lowell]

Now I'm confused.

I definately got a message saying I was the new scum.