The Amazing World of Gumball! (Game Over - Perfect Town Win)

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VOTE: TTH

Wouldn't hydra with me </3.

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You stahp that UTL </3.

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Can we not have a stupid page 1 wagon on me?

I'm getting pretty tired of it.

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VOTE: Mastin2

Tried to vig me when I was IC.

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=64754

So yeah, that was a thing.
somehow.

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Hey, Camntsuki, can you guys please sign your posts so I can sort Camn?

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If I had a cent for every time people tried to fish flavour you could call me Jay Gatsby.

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[9:49:29 PM] Wendy C: Ugh no you
[9:49:34 PM] Wendy C: Crap
[9:49:42 PM] Wendy C: I know the guy reminds me of nickelback

THIS IS HOW YOU REMIND ME
OF WHAT I REALLY AM

THSI IS HOW YOU REMIND ME
OF WHAT I REALLY AM

IT'S NOT LIKE YOU TO SAY SORRY
I WAS WAITING ON A DIFFERENT STORY

THIS TIME I'M MISTAKEN

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fuck yall.
no toothless lynches on D1.
I need to keep him around as my lylo mislynch.

VOTE: Camntsuki

she's always a damn scumlord.

hi im drunk

Hi drunk.

I could join you since my exams are done!

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Drunk skype call?

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Cakez you're scum

GG BOYZ

VOTE: Sircakez

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Someone take shots with me.

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That's Katsuki innit?

Oh is this Camn?

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CAMNTSUKI.

SIGN YOUR DAMN POSTS.

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VOTE: Camntsuki

Alright that's the last straw.
You're getting powerbussed sweetie. Commence squirming for my towncred pls.

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I don't sign mine but it's super easy to tell my and Postie's posting apart.
That said, if you want signs

-RC

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I can read Camn easily if I can tell which posts are actually hers.

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Yawn.

If I see anything that looks like Scum!Camn I'm not going to believe you if you say Katsuki posted it.

VOTE: Sircakez

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I have no idea what to make of any of this nonsense.

This feels like a scumbuddy rxn if Cakez is scum.

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This really doesn't feel like scum!Camn for reasons I don't want to share for obvious reasons.
town!Camn is boring though

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After #156 there's a 0% chance that I unvote rn.

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I think RC might be scum

fascinating.

do elaborate mister.

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You mean the 1758 where you literally had all the masons in your scumreads and two of the scum in your top townreads?
You're making the mistake of assuming that I want you alive if you're town.
You will get lynched at some point, and I have a strong suspicion you're scum anyway. Best to get rid of that now.

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Could you give one?

yeah that's why I'm so paranoid of camn hydra
you always threaten to PL me also which is funny

I always threaten to PL you
but when I'm doing it this game I'm scum for it?

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Yeah there would.
Your scum persona has an insufferable ego. Comments like that are way more scum!Cakez than town!Cakez.

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the tbh just seals it though.

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Everyone's right sometimes, everyone's wrong sometimes.

Not everyone offers to be lynched, as town, in place of someone who is scum.

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Don't 2/10 my Camn reads.
I had her pinned on literally page 2 of 1758.

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Sorry, 6 pages.

I'm actually pretty sure Camn is scum and it's already 6 pages in.

I mean there's the risk of it being a confbias since it's this early in the game but I think she's actually just scum again here.

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CAMN NOT LOOK BAD YET.

CAMN LOOK GOOD IF REAL CAMN.

IF NOT CAMN POSSIBLY NOT SO GOOD READ ON SLOT.

OOGA

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*THUMPS CHEST*

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My meta is definitely as great as I think it is.
Just 'cause your meta reads are derptastic doesn't mean mine are!
And Camn is possibly literally the easiest person on mafiascum for me to read.
The only other contenders are like Lilith2013, Kirroha, and Raskolnikov.

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Ranger's just easy to read in general.

IDK how people manage to mislynch her so consistently.

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I'm referring to people who are otherwise in the pile of people I would generally consider 'difficult to read'.

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Ranger wouldn't play with us either.

Apparently she doesn't like large themes </3.

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TAKING EVERYTHING IN THE STRIDE
DON'T NEED REASON DON'T NEED RHYME

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The hell am I doing in your shortlist for scum you complete weapon?

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Dayvig: Sircakez

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I'll message TTH.

let's do dis.

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Except mine was actually legit.

So unless you're a scum dayvig.

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What are the chances that both factions had a dayvig and we both shot each other?

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SO DON'T YOU MESS ME ROUND

CUZ I'M TNT

DYNAMITE

TNT

I'LL WIN THE FIGHT

TNT

I'M A POWER LOAD

TNT

WATCH ME EXPLODE

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not for long!

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Alright but real quickly: obviously I'm not dayvig.
If I am in fact dayvigged I want you to powerlynch Sircakez.
There's no way a town dayvig would shoot someone for claiming a shot on them.
That would only come from scum who was afraid they weren't getting to use their dayvig because thye were alreayd shot.
By our role PM Hiplop is conftown.

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Alright but real quickly: obviously I'm not dayvig.
If I am in fact dayvigged I want you to powerlynch Sircakez.
There's no way a town dayvig would shoot someone for claiming a shot on them.
That would only come from scum who was afraid they weren't getting to use their dayvig because thye were alreayd shot.
By our role PM Hiplop is conftown.

don't setup spec dayvig as conftown.
Cakez's play hasn't been town whatsoever and that shot was awful.

HF guys.

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I couldn't take the chances with losing Hiplop's conftownness.
Anyway, Cakez is still a scumfuck.

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No, we're lynching Cakez.
I'm pissed at being outed.

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If I had a cent for every time people tried to fish flavour you could call me Jay Gatsby.

cent = penny
jay gatsby = fitzgerald

me and Hiplop, who is gumball, are best friends who don't get a quicktopic.

Sircakez gets lynched today.

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I'm literally confirmed town you obnoxious fuck.
get bent.

powerlynch him.

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Spfifeh I will autolynch you tomorrow if you don't vote Cakez.

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I already fucking claimed after the dayvig.

lynch Cakez.

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No that was actually pretty fucking far from funny and that's not something a mod should ever pull.
don't troll your games.

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TTH check your pms.

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no it's not fucking funny and I just finished explaining why it's not fucking funny.

lynch Cakez.

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I do it in normal games.
You pulled it in a fucking theme. dayvigs exist in themes.
I'm known for doing that shit and no one takes it seriously. you're not.

don't pretend like your play was even close to acceptable.

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Your role PM doesn't say anything about me?

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You can chalk this down to horrible flavour writing by TTH I guess.
My role pm states paraphrased that Gumball (Hiplop) is my boyfriend and true love.

I assumed that meant your role PM had a reference to me as well.

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. hip is that a thing RC does as scum? Full refuge in audacity?

yes.

claimed masons with firebringer as scum in my last game with him

they weren't masons, rc was scum

Man do you think I just fucking guessed you were Gumball?

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No, I have no night abilities besides knowing who you are.

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VOTE: Hiplop

For Cheetory.

You stahp that UTL </3.

Because I'd have had to do it at the beginning of the game.

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I'm not having this argument because TTH's flavour writing sucked.
You're comparing utterly incomparable situations here.

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I claimed mason with Firebringer with the explicit intent of THAT CLAIM EVENTUALLY BEING REVEALED AS FALSE because I wanted town to think that I was trying to defend one of my townreads.

There's 0 comparison between these two situations.

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vote: Mail

HIPLOP AND I WILL KNEEL AT THE ALTAR OF THE BLOOD GODS

[hands hiplop the murdercock] Wave it around, my man, you've earned it.

-k

Probably this.

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Spiffeh's not one of my major concerns.

The people that I was most worried about are the ones who focused on whether the play would end up being confirmable and the ones who tried to rush a quicklynch.

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Yeah, Most Serene's reaction was definitely far and away the worst.

VOTE: Most Serene

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tread lightly music, i'm going to ask you this ONE TIME: what about my reaction did you not like


because

and this is fair warning

i only joined this game because i wanted one last game before i fuck off from playing forever

and i've worked about 120 hours in the last 10 days or so, and i'm pretty sure i've strained a ligament in my foot. i'm tired, i'm irritable, i'm in pain, and i'm really, really REALLY not in the mood for any sort of bullshit, so think carefully before answering and maybe, just maybe we won't have to scream at one another for 15 pages while you push a mislynch that isn't gonna happen

hey guess what? your goddamn foot has nothing to do with this game.
YOU tried to push a goddamn quicklynch on me with absolutely 0 engagement on the logical side and throwing out all your shitty hyperbole.
My scumreads fucking die. I don't give a shit who the fuck you think you are my scumreads fucking die.
In case you hadn't noticed there's a reason why my sig is 'welp I'm rc' because that's all I need to do to get your salty ass lynched.
So you wanna explain why the fuck you tried to get me quicklynched without at all putting yourself directly behind the wagon?

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who the fuck tried to push a quicklynch

i was quite blatantly sheeping a player that YOU YOURSELF LITERALLY CALLED CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN

yeah, you're RC, remember what happened the last damn time you tried to tangle with a serene. here's what happened, you got lynched.

how the fuck did i not put myself directly behind the wagon? i voted you, YOU CAN'T GET MORE BEHIND THE WAGON

You made 0 comment on my alignment.

You did not comment on the strength of the 'guilty' on me.
You did not comment on my alignment via my play.
You didn't even comment on whether or not because I'm RC I did some ludicrous lolplay.

You just voted me and said 'HEY HIPLOP SPEEDWAGON THIS BEFORE YOU REALIZE THAT YOU'RE BEING A MORON'.

and promise, promise you that had i tried to quicklynch you, you'd already be in the dead QT right now. you weren't even in any fucking danger, if i'd wanted you quicklynched, i'd have waited till L-1 and dropped the hammer my damn self

As if I had a fucking chance of getting lynched.
I guarantee you that Serene post came from scum. The positioning being taken was horrible.

Let's not start waving our dicks at each other, k? Grab a glass of water or something and calm down. <3

This isn't a dick waving contest this is me trying to lynch scum.
Vote with me.

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i don't wave my fucking dick, the murdercock waves me

i own the murdercock now

my best possession

*rubs*

Hip, I'm telling you Serene is scum and if I was actually scum who just got semiconfirmed town status the first thing I'd do is bus a partner.

Vote him with me.

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Mail checking in; I'm caught up but need to ISO some people I guess. There's been so much shitposting I'm struggling to read most people.
I have a gut townlean on UTL though and am not liking SirCakez.

I see RC is keeping up the tradition of getting himself N1'd.

Our Serene vote is stupid so I'm gonna go ahead and change it back to

VOTE: SirCakez

151 was bad. I'm also not a fan of him pushing our slot because "RC would have known that vigshot was fake" since 224 seems geared to give the impression that it wasn't fake and actually made me panic. Like you can't try and convince people that your fake vigshot is serious and then criticise them for taking your fake vigshot seriously.

-- Mail

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Serene is still scum and I'm not happy with Postie changing our vote but

You just conveniently decided your vote was bad when the two confirmed towns decided to move back to me? No way.

obviously I was playing it up but the fact RC freaked out so easily over it was concerning.

So am I conftown or not, Cakez?
Further, how is UTL following either me or hiplop a scumtell?

VOTE: Serene

This remains scum.

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Puke emoji your face Chandra.
What's your read on me and what's your read on Serene?

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i can't decide if music is just bad town pushing a ridiculous case or cheeky scum who thinks they've confirmed themselves town via hiplop

either way it's shit gameplay so a tossup?

dat hydra dissonance tho

Postie wants to be useful but RC keeps dragging her back into the abyss of uselessness.

i want to go town on them, but god damn RC makes it so hard

We have a town-read on Postie but a useless read on RC. He tries his best to be scum but there are currently too many names in front of him.

You being too bad as town to see Kuribo for the obvscum he is doesn't make me useless.

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Like you're all being pretty fucking dumb right now.
I *guarantee* you that Serene slot is scum.

This is a read on par with my Camn read in our newbie game, with my UTL read that I fake guiltied, with my AFB read that I also fake guiltied.
The ONLY thought process that leads to that specific post is scum wanting to get a lynch as fast as possible while leaving themself an out.
That's not sheeping, that's not being mistaken on facts, that's not misreading the gamestate.
The scum motivation is fucking blatant and if you can't see it then you're all bad players.

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I am not voting anyone else while Serene is alive unless I get everyone's guarantee that if there's a cop or vig they will dispatch the slot tonight.

They are scum.

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And you can even see in the incredibly fucking dirty way that they're trying to play the crowd against me.
That's pure slime. That's so fucking far from a town mentality that it's not even funny.
Pull your shit together.

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fuck you.

cop is on them. I guarantee scum.

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I don't care how good you think your reads are, I am right here.
I can't challenge you to a sig bet but I'd do it in a heartbeat.
This is the kind of thing I fakeclaim guilties for.

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Every single fucking person in this game has seen me be right about things that no one else was even close to.

Vote Serene.

RC, you were literally 6 when we started our 100% accuracy reading DGB and Kuribo.

And now I'm 21 and I'm a way fucking better scumhunter than anyone in this game so vote him.

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No like if you don't vote Serene now you are agreeing that in all future games you are forfeiting your vote to me because clearly something is miswired in your brains.
The scum intent is so fucking obvious that it's like bleeding.

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It is a waste of time to interact with both RC and Kuribo when they are in this mode, the important part is that they are both town.

This could be scum for trying to divert attention.

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'outside elements'
you know who bitches that people are going outside the rules to push on them? scum talking to town.

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like find a fucking example ever of town saying like that.
want an example of scum saying that? easy. read open 623.
this is Egg slot all over again.

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Furthermore that's not even going outside the game and you're just being salty.

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UTL is grasping at straws to avoid being wagoned /s

UTL has been pushing your wagon and questioning Spiffeh about it forever, what in her latest posts points to panic at being wagoned?

The "seriously guyz why haven't we lynched Cakez yet" stuff.

I answered your question dingbat

Vote Serene.

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you know god damn well your wagon isn't going anywhere and you're just pushing a vanity lynch so you can look like you're doing something

I don't give a shit whether your wagon goes anywhere I'm going to push it the rest of the game because you're scum.

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So what, you gonna seek mod action because you can't play well enough as scum to fool me?
good play.

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^ lynch it.

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I don't care what order we get lynched in FTR as long as you lycnh Serene.
I am going to, to the best of my ability, disrupt any attempts to get any other lynches done while Serene is alive.
I will never vote anyone else.

Since everyone here is fully aware that I take a claim like this seriously, either they'll get lynched, I'll make it to LyLo and force a lynch between us, or I'll get night killed.
But scum would never make that nightkill if Serene isn't scum because they know I'm going to chain wagon him; and don't cry WiFOM because this would be incredibly beneficial to scum.

done.

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Until you're dead, yeah.

then I'll get rid of the rest of your crappy scumteam.

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If I could NK you I would have done it in pregame.

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he's a scumlord idgaf what he says.

stop eating that up.

These egos tho

Meanwhile Expedience gets to coast along on the biggest wagon. :3

Expedience can do what he wants.
I'm not going for weak scum while dangerous scum remains alive.
I've learned from too many games where I caught the big scum early but I let them go to go after their partners.
Fuck, didn't any of you learn from LLD?

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Do you mean the game I replaced into a slot that was already guaranteed to be lynched?
Yeah, that's perfectly comparable to this situation.
Furthermore, you and not I are scum here and this is not a mislynch and you will eventually go down here, I promise you.

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Serene

You discredited all your reads with that.

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Copper is a super strong candidate for Serene scumbuddy for the record.

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VOTE: Serene

*hides*

\o/

you won't regret this decision.

LOOK AT THIS FUCK TRYING TO PUSH ASSOCIATIVES ON DAY 1

I've called entire scumteams on D1.

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Literally, 1779, ended 3 days ago.
Powerlynched Masquerade, vig shot UTL. Entire werewolf team dead.

A few months back, 1751, Miller's Hollow.
Powerlynch Shos, vengekilled Titus/Plot hydra. Entire werewolf team dead again.

You don't even know what's coming.

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better call your scumteam now cause you need the fucking help

beep boop beep beep beep boop beep

r~!@~!@~!@

~!@~!@~!@~!

'hi scumteam slay this b-baka!'

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You don't even know what's coming.

i don't know whats coming


I DON'T KNOW?


BITCH YOU DON'T KNOW WHATS COMING


ILL GIVE YOU A HINT


ITS MY FUCKING DICK


ON YOUR FACE

what in the actual fuck is this.

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you know what


im done for today


every fucking game i play some dickless piece of shit player wants to start shit

and push a shit wagon

and get me all pissed off

and i wind up ragequitting or getting banned or what the fuck ever

so im just gonna log out for the fucking day



eat a bowl of dicks, cow, and i mean that on a personal level. your play is shit, everyone knows its shit.

don't roll scum and play like shit if you don't want to be powerlynched for it.

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I'm not really sure what to do with RC right now but I'll try and get some more reads done when my headache goes away. I'm not sure I like the way Zito is swiping from the sidelines but I think I'm reading it as low-effort/exasperated town for now. I'm townreading copper too but I forgot why.

-- Mail

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Postie respond to hydra chat.

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I've made bad plays and I can link you to a bunch of them.

I have /never/ mis-fakeclaimed a cop guilty that I used to get a lynch down.
I have /never/ claimed a scumread of the current level that I have and been wrong.

You can go through my history and verify it.

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You don't even know what's coming.

i don't know whats coming


I DON'T KNOW?


BITCH YOU DON'T KNOW WHATS COMING


ILL GIVE YOU A HINT


ITS MY FUCKING DICK


ON YOUR FACE

what in the actual fuck is this.

LOLOL

ITS SOMETHING TO TEACH YOU NOT TO PUSH SHIT WAGONS ON TOWN LMAO

I still think you're town.
When you find out that he's scum what are you going to say to me?

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nah

i actually think serene has been scummy on the last couple pages but i'm still not voting them over my other suspects and honestly i'm more likely to give you what you want in the future if you stop being an insufferable prick

Who made this a dick waving contest?
I remind you that I started this by pushing a case on him and he decided to drag it down to a crap level and start throwing his ego all over the place.

I mean I'm sorry if I've hurt your enjoyment of the game but I caught scum and I want them lynched.

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Let's make a deal.
We lynch Serene today.
They flip scum, you say that I'm the greatest scumhunter in the world and you wish you could be like me and you sheep my votes the rest of the game.
They flip town, I'll say the reverse and won't push any wagons that you and Postie don't agree on.

And for the record: Postie doesn't disagree, she just doesn't have as strong as a scumread as I do.

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Uh, I'm not 16?

I'm 21?

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So when he flips scum I get to rub this in your face forever and ever?

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I've made bad plays and I can link you to a bunch of them.

I have /never/ mis-fakeclaimed a cop guilty that I used to get a lynch down.
I have /never/ claimed a scumread of the current level that I have and been wrong.

You can go through my history and verify it.

You know I trust your judgement and stuff, but I've seen you deathtunnel town-BBT pretty hard before, so can you please... like... not get ahead of yourself here. :L

-- Mail

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I've made bad plays and I can link you to a bunch of them.

I have /never/ mis-fakeclaimed a cop guilty that I used to get a lynch down.
I have /never/ claimed a scumread of the current level that I have and been wrong.

You can go through my history and verify it.

You know I trust your judgement and stuff, but I've seen you deathtunnel town-BBT pretty hard before, so can you please... like... not get ahead of yourself here. :L

-- Mail

Did I claim a fake guilty?
Did I cite the thing I'm citing now?

No. I've deathtunneled wrongly on a lot less.
This is a scumread of exceptional rarity. There's a clear disconnect between his claimed positions and what his thought processes would be.

He cannot be town.

You already do this to me with 1758 :/

Where I was right, right?

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They're not, and I can't wait to see what you say when they flip.

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Camn.
You admitted your fucking self; you haven't played town in 5 years.
Why do you not think you'd be even slightly rusty?

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Like I wanna smash my head against a wall right now.
This is the worst case of scum getting excessively townread I've ever seen.
Give me a single reason you townread either of the heads.

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I'll be as anti-town as I need to be to win this game Hip.

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All 3 are town.

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I don't care what % town I am I'm going to be pushing on Serene for the remainder of the game.

The only one in that 3 that has a chance of being scum is Expe and I don't have a strong scumread there.

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Policy lynch me then.
If he's scum I blacklist everyone who voted me.

RC you were also wrong as hell in Basic uPick
So don't act like you always have perfect reads
P-Edit: STOP POSTING jfc

DID I CLAIM PERFECT READS OR NO.
I AM FALLIBLE.
HOW OFTEN DO I CLAIM TO BE BEYOND 100% SURE OF A READ, SIRCAKEZ?

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Copper is probably scum, Spectre might be scum.

Serene is priority.

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Find an instance where I claimed an 100% read and was wrong.
you

can't

.

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If Postie wants copper I'll vote that with you but serene is still scum.

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You don't understand how far it is from basic uPick to here.

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and that was a particularly bad game for me because I didn't believe that town were just casually putting scum to L-1 all over the plaec which made me townread JMO.

and I came around by the end anyway. the rest of town didn't.

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Before that game I had a noted tendency to mislynch people who tried to push on me.
That made me extremely reluctant to push PIstachi0n because I wasn't sure if I was voting her because I thought she was scum or if I was just pissy because she kept scumreading me.
I tried to reset the pendulum and it swung too far. I've gotten a lot better on that front.

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Postie doesn't agree with me on Copper so we're probably not going to vote that.

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{Hiplop}
{Camn, Spiffeh}
{Imperium, Chandra}
{Firebringer, Mastin, Sircakez, Papa Zito}
Null
{Spectre, Expedience}
{Copper223}
{Serene}

that's my reads as of now.

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Anyone not on that is null.

UTL's nullness especially bugs me because

1) I can't see her entirely discrediting my Serene push like she is now and this is exactly what she did as scum.
2) Usually I come to a read of some sort on her very quickly and I've got virtually nothing now.

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Postie isn't feeling so well
She'd rather do Expedience than Copper here and he's not really a townread so I'm okay with that.

Serene's still scumlord #1 though.

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I just want everyone to remember how you're treating me right now when Serene has flipped.

Several apologies will be owed.

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Yes, that's how confident I am that the slot is scum.

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I refuse to make such a readslist.

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Nothing because they're not going to flip town.

If I hadn't already claimed I would be claiming that role info confirms the slot as scum.

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idk why I'm in this game tbh.

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I wasn't the one who dragged it down to that level.
If you're going to townread Kuribo for making it super personal and throwing out insults then that's your prerogative, but it doesn't take a genius to realize that he's scum here.

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Like you're all being pretty fucking dumb right now.
I *guarantee* you that Serene slot is scum.

This is a read on par with my Camn read in our newbie game, with my UTL read that I fake guiltied, with my AFB read that I also fake guiltied.
The ONLY thought process that leads to that specific post is scum wanting to get a lynch as fast as possible while leaving themself an out.
That's not sheeping, that's not being mistaken on facts, that's not misreading the gamestate.
The scum motivation is fucking blatant and if you can't see it then you're all bad players.

This is final.
I will go on the record as saying that I have lost a significant amount of respect for any town players who are badmouthing me for being right here.
I'm aware that scum are also throwing potshots at me to defend Serene, but there's town doing it too and it's just sad.

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I can't wait for you to eat those words.

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What happened here is that everyone thinks its okay to crap on me when they disagree with my scumreads.
I think there's an undercurrent of 'we are part of the old MS group and this new kid is pushing on one of us OMG how dare it!!'

And it's just like, sort of pathetic? I wonder what TTH thinks about a bunch of you right now.
Even if I was wrong about Serene here, you're still all in the wrong, you understand that right? Does that not get through to you?

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Why do you think this is something people would expect him to do? Answer: Because he does it often as town. This is why you cannot be my Savior.

I was 95% sure that he was scum before he started flipping his lid. The manner of it just multiplied my scumread.
I repeated my old post. There is no town thought process that leads to him making the specific post that he did.

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Do you get it though?

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styles are clashing

Not a clash of styles, just a scumlord and his friends and scumbuddies refusing to permit a push on him.

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vote: Mail

HIPLOP AND I WILL KNEEL AT THE ALTAR OF THE BLOOD GODS

[hands hiplop the murdercock] Wave it around, my man, you've earned it.

-k

No.

This post came from scum.

end story.

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And that's fine but that's a personal and angry thing bleeding into the game.

Do you think Katsuki's posting is unacceptable or do you think me mentioning the issue with it is?
Think about it.

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Looks like a typical kuribo post and is completely non alignment indicative. Not a scum post at all.

The only thought process that makes that post is someone who wants me lynched as fast as possible without wanting to be seen as pushing for it.
I guarantee that's a scum post every time you see it.

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This is the kind of thing I will never be able to adequately explain, but the way the post was made strongly suggests that he knew I was town and wanted me lynched before Hiplop came to his senses.

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And that's fine but that's a personal and angry thing bleeding into the game.

Do you think Katsuki's posting is unacceptable or do you think me mentioning the issue with it is?
Think about it.

You, Katsuki, and Kuribo have all said things that have crossed the line. That is why this game is a shitshow. That has nothing to do with alignments.

I didn't drag it down to this level though.

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I just had a goddamn case on someone that I thought was scum and everyone treated me like the antichrist for it.
Nevermind the fact that I nearly got speedlynched because Hiplop can't read his role PM.

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I'm not easily fazed by mafia but this game has made me sad.

I don't think they're scum right now.

There's a difference between this, which I can handle, and the reactions that my push has garnered.

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I sincerely doubt that Camntsuki is scum, as much as I wish they were.

That post can just as easily come from kuribo as town.

Promise you that's not the case.
Something *similar* might come out of Town!Kuribo.
Not that.

Specifically the 'you earned it' bit is why I see it as a scum claim.

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I'm not in the mood to argue this any further.

I'm going to talk with Postie in the morning and we'll see what we'll do.

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part of the problem here is that I don't think that any of the major wagons are scum.

like

sircakez I don't think is scum
expedience might be csum but he's not like calling me and Postie thinks he might be town
Zito i'm outright otwnreading

i really feel like scum are either serene or hiding among the crappy voters on crappy wagons tam.

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copper i've even come around on townreading after some of his recent posts.

can we get a wagon that isn't terrible going

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hey.

i like a fate wagon

can we do that?

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No, I don't think cakez is scum and I'm surprised you do.;

Honestly, I've been writing you off as scum for a long time for how little consideration you're giving to my Serene wagon but I dont' want to lynch you cuz you're trying to make me feel better.

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Btw, that Music wagon?

You know, excluding hiplop, the group of [Zito, UTL, Spectre Deflectors, Most Serene]? There's definitely at least one scum there, if not two.

Music and Mail are town, period.

The wagon there is pure scum opportunism.

not mastin.

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VOTE: Fate

basically his only contribution to thread has been to write Serene into a townbloc with 2 people I'm townreading and i don't like it at all

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i just want to say I really appreciate the effort to make things nice tammy/nacho

in hindsight i think i was pretty far from blameless in the thread devolving and I appreciate it.

i feel a lot better tbh.

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Oh, and happy birthday UTL!

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I think my Chandra read is too high on reread.

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{Hiplop}
{Spiffeh, Imperium}
{Mastin}
{Camn, Firebringer}
{Chandra, Sircakez, Papa Zito}
Null
{Spectre}
{Fate}
{Serene}

BTW, Kagami hasn't posted yet.

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Put UTL in one of the top two scum categories and that's where I'm at.

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What are everyones' reads on UTL?

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UTL, can you get me a full readslist?

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He does, and I really don't like the way she's been dealing with my push on Serene.
ESPECIALLY NOW, when she's like trying to be all super nice to me but she still won't support my wagon at all.
Like she was like OH I'LL GO BACK AND READ IT and absolutely nothing from her.

I feel like she's scum who doesn't want me to feel bad but also doesn't want me to push her partner so is just avoiding it.

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Even if Serene is town I could easily see it as doesn't want to face pushback from joining my wagon like Spiffeh did.

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This really feels like 1779 UTL tbh.
I don't agree with your townread.

FTR Postie has her as like top townread which I don't understand but w/e.

I'm much happier with Fates at the moment though.

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'bothers me'? no.
but not just sheeping me is not synonymous with blatantly claiming to have not read any of my case.

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I'm not expecting you to blindly sheep me.
I AM expecting you to take my reads seriously.
I'm not seeing that here, I don't like your associatives with my scumspects, i don't like you tunneling Cakez and ignoring everyone else, etc.

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Like even wording it in that way bothers me.
I feel like you should know that I'm not going on you for 'not just sheeping me.'
Now you've put Serene in your scumpool now that there's no momentum there and I've lost my desire to push it.

It's just scummy, birthday girl!

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UTL, have you ever seen me make an argument by thought process?

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I've only ever been wrong once and it was against Titus, and I eventually realized why I was wrong there, in Miller's hollow.
We talked about it after the game and she admitted that she predicted what I would be looking for and deliberately said things in a weird way to fool me.

It's like, I want you to try to put yourself in Kuribo's shoes with all the like whatever that you associate with his slot.

Try to come to a train of thought that leads you to make *that* post in it's specificity.

You can't.

I don't want to harp on and on about this because I'm just regurgitating what's already been said: but this is a thing.
This was what nearly all of my reads were based off back in the days of everyone just ignoring what I said cuz they don't understand it.

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^ as town.
Now think about it from the perspective of being scum who wants me lynched before people come to their senses:
and you can write exactly that post with little difficulty.

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If you ignore meta when reading me you're guaranteed to end up townreading me on at least one instance where you shouldn't.

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It is in this situation.
I promise you that after game we can talk about this and he will agree that he was hoping to see me quicklynched, even though he'll obviously say otherwise now for the sake of his alignment.
Please don't argue with me if you can't argue with the crux of the matter and come up with a thought process that would lead him to make that particular post.
You're trying to solve a relativistic equation while only using basic mathematical tools here- you don't understand my argument.

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If this is Cowbells... Why do you always say stuff like this?
Do you actually believe it?

I've only been wrong on this kind of argument.

Keep in mind that I've only made this kind of argument as town, like, 7 times?

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This isn't something that applies to more than like 5% of games, but SOMETIMES, people make posts that you KNOW they wouldn't have made from that position as town.
You know the game where I fake guiltied Angry Frat Bros because I said their 'rage post' was fake? That was an example of this kind of argument
The case I'm referring to with Titus.

I've been thinking more about what would cause Titus to make this post and I'm not sure scum!Titus would think of, much less be able to falsify, the thought process that would cause her to say this.

Except the difference here was that she was at the time hydraing with me and was aware that I was aware that she was super touchy about me in particular disrespecting her and she flat out admitted that she intentionally played the whole thing against me here.

That's the kind of situation it takes to fool me on this: and I still ended up vengekilling her Night 1.

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Yes.
I'm putting myself into /his/ shoes in particular.

I scumhunt via empathy. I try to understand people. I put myself in their shoes, advance myself down their lines of thinking, react as they would to posts, look for major dissonance.
My read would never change unless immediately after he said something like 'TBH I just wanted to policy lynch RC because I was sick of him' because that would be an alternative thought process that could lead to that conclusion.

What he claimed after: that he was sheeping Hiplop and had no strong read one way or the other: does not explain his post.

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UTL I've said the post that I was referring to no less than 4 times.

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vote: Mail

HIPLOP AND I WILL KNEEL AT THE ALTAR OF THE BLOOD GODS

[hands hiplop the murdercock] Wave it around, my man, you've earned it.

-k

Probably this.

this one.

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Fate and UTL wagons are both strong calls for me atm so I'd rather just wait until they make another blatant scumfuckery post and then revisit that wagon.

That was when hiplop thought you were lying right?

...yes.

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I don't think either of you would ever understand the argument that I'm making no matter when I made it.
it happening to clash with either your preconceived views of the gamestate or the fact that you don't want to bus your scumbuddy means that this debate is sort of pointless unless you're open to just trusting me.

Which, evidently you're ont.

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That one post is so not AI imo.

It is and we can talk about it in postgame if you're actually not scum.

But stop trying to guilt me/bully me/ whatever the fuck you're trying to do to get me to sheep you.

I'm trying to do neither???
I think you're scum. If I'm trying to guilt/bully anyone it's the other people.
If I wasn't on Fate I'd be voting you.

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I mean I'm not even pushing that wagon anymore.

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This isn't a question of disagreeing.
You refused to even read my case on him.
You then tried to be nice to me but STILL didn't read my case on him.
Then you said you were going to read my case on him.
Then you said you read my case on him but didn't even understand what the post I was referring to was.

Like it's pretty clear that you don't actually care about my case on him and were making a show of it- which I understand because you're his scumbuddy.
I don't blame you for being scum if that makes you feel better?

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So you're admitting that you haven't read my case and you're getting mad at me for scumreading you for not reading my case

???

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Have a paraphrase of the relevant bit of my role PM, checking with mod if it's okay.

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You know that your boyfriend and true love, Gumball (hiplop), is present in the game. He's a total sillypants and has a proclivity for screwing things up, but you are aware that he's aligned with Elmore.

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We've agreed that RC is just simply out of his league in this game, and that he's simply desperate for recognition, hence him acting out like a teenager seeking attention.

However, he is being like how APBROS is, aka loud and incredibly distracting from actual scumhunting and scumwagon, which is incredibly anti-town. We would love to have Postie around, but if RC continues on this path of pushing a shitty incorrect scumread then their slot would be better off dead.

And yes DGB, these people are nuts.

When I was modding 1777 my thought literally every single day was 'well maybe Town can win this if Katsuki stops being an idiot.'
Katsuki never stopped being an idiot.
You even quickhammered the gunsmith with an guilty on scum on the final day off of the mafia's tracker claim.

And you still can't possibly take into consideration that maybe, just maybe, you might be wrong here?
Like, Camn's seen my town play. It's pretty dang good, IIDSSM. And you're not even willing to consider that maybe I'm seeing something that you're not?

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I think my Camntsuki read is way too high here.
This is starting to feel like it might be a calculated pushback to discredit me and prevent me from gaining traction.

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Also the fact that Camn isn't posting might just be because she knows that I'll sort her and wants Katsuki to do the lion's share of the posting while I'm alive.
Like I'd be semi townreading Kats but some things just feel way off and I haven't seen enough content from Camn who I can actually read.

And this pushback against me just feels so stupid and exaggerated. I can't imagine either of them having this much overt disrespet for me.

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What does being a saviour require?

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I still don't like Fate but I'd wagon Spectre.

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VOTE: Spectre Deflectors

I still don't like how they waffled around my claim and got bogged down on technicalities.

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Scum and town pools?

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I'm starting to come around on scum!Camn.

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the fake dayvig only really makes me think cakez is town, not much else. Max pretty much said what I was going to say before I said it about RC, there's a good chance that the hiplop reveal in a vacuum could have scum intent behind it. it's really a moot point, because I'm having a really hard time seeing a world where M&M is scum. max, could you try and convince otherwise?

then

Jokingly, no, you don't, but like, for real? Basically we were scum and on Day 3 or something (maybe, i forget) one of our members was put into a neighbourhood with Steven, learning who he was. Cerb (Steven) was told that he would be confirmed as town by the mod on day 5, and reasoned that there was no way the mod would tell the entire scumteam who Steven was (by putting one of our members in a hood with him) two days before actually revealing that to the town. It was a massive contributor to our win in my opinion.

wait RC never said that

but no unvote.

Don't know the quote but RC said he and hiplop were best friends without a quicktopic, which I'm assuming is they know each other to be town? But that just sounds like masons so I don't see the difference.
The thing is that it just seems like a really really stupid lie to make if RC is scum. Like it makes no sense to me at all as a tactic?

Still voting me and it feels like he's leading for someone else to say 'BUT RC WOULD DO {fakeclaim masons with town / fakeclaim bus driver / fakeclaim Malthael the serial killer resurrector} AS SCUM.
And that's not the only post that felt like fishing for that to be pointed out that happened while I was still being voted.

PEdit: lmao that's exactly what I thought though. hip is that a thing RC does as scum? Full refuge in audacity?

I know scum faking masons is a thing but scum faking masons with a townie?

SOMETHING I HAVE LITERALLY DONE FOR THE RECORD.

it just feels really bad, and I feel like they were fishing for someone to point out the plays I've done as scum in the past to 'convince them'.
Plus they didn't get off my wagon when they were pointing out that I never said those things.
Plus the whole 'RC never said that!' thing feels like scum being like WTF IS GOING ON HERE and trying to look to figure out why town is getting confguiltied.

anyway, just a bad slot.

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HOW MANY FUCKING POSTS HAPPENED WHLIE I WAS WRITING THAT

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=63799

And for the record, Expedience and Firebringer were both in that game.
So if SD is scum, I'm pretty fucking sure one or both of them is scum as well.

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Like, I didn't claim masons.
I claimed best friends because that's what my role PM implied.

The fact that he specifically said masons there is just so nasty considering that I've done that specifically before.

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I'm not so sure people go as deep as you think they went.

I DIDNT CLAIM MASONS THOUGH.
WHY DOES MASONS COME TO MIND UNLESS YOU'RE DELIBERATELY SETTING THAT UP?

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Anyway.

even if I'm overthinking the mason thing they're still a heavy scumread.

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UTL stop being a scumbutt

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I find that difficult to reconcile with her play.