Fritz's Fav Fictional Figures Faction Fest - Game over

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Vote:PJ

Clearly we need to eliminate the worst players first.

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oh yeah PJ is supposed to reflect fritzler into this game.

Onto the next worst player in this game.

unvote, vote:Glork

Also PJ fails at paying attention.

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We can lynch CPE after Glork.

Good thats two scum.

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Guys I know from experience if Sarc claims day cop, he's town, but is lying about being a day cop.

btw

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Thats kind of faulty....

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unvote, vote:Jordan

I agree JellyFritz.

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Let's just kill him.

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Vote:Sarc

that gay devil worshiping biker.

Also reviewing over yesterday.

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I cant see any Discworld character being a straight-up vanilla townie

Kay.

unvote, vote:UA

I also don't like how he quoted that mountain of text and didn't add anything to it.

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Someone asked what the Jordan situation was. I figured that was the best way to do it. However, by the time I was done making it, they made like 10 posts ;_;

Way to cast suspicion on it a page and a day later though

You're welcome guy who quotes other people and didn't put his on imput in.

Also way to stay noncomittal and not even vote me or FoS me. Even Sarc did that, and that was a random OMGUS vote anyways.

Yes. Primarily because I don't recall having played with him before, therefore have no meta on him. Jdodge always wagons, so I expect it. UA was a consideration, but I've seen him do some really silly stuff as town before so I am contemplating his behavior. Also, UA didn't originally jump on, but joined later. As for K-Scope, he always seems scummy to me, and does even now, but I am hesitant to vote people who I feel that way about. Overall, it was a starting point for my vote today, because there doesn't seem to be much to gleen from yesterday. Btw, I had already looked at the other wagonners and expected a question like yours. I wanted to see who would ask it before explaining my reasoning, though.

Note to self. To stay in Ibby's town side, play exactly the same as in every other game.

<3 Ibby.

We should lynch Guardian.

Yo.

I can think of 2 games where somebody claimed to have a role related to wagoning / forced voting. Me in ScumChat Mafia and Axelrod in Worst Role Evar. Both games we were scum.

Vote: Flameaxe.

This means PJ is Flameaxe's buddy I guess. "We were scum"

= P

Axelrod was awesome in Worst Role Evar. I'm not sure I like PJ's reasoning that much, though, since I could totally see Fritzler putting in a role that forces someone to bandwagon or somesuch.

Nevertheless, Unvote, Vote: Flameaxe

I wouldn't mind forcing him to claim.

Are you

Kidding

me? Can you get anymore uncommital. "I can see it happening, as it sounds like Fritz. Why don't I just vote him anyways. For a claim."

unvote, vote:Sarc

You consider me the best vote at present? Really now? And why would that be? Because it's the easiest vote, given that a bandwagon has inexplicably developed on me?

Wouldn't necessarily agree. It seems that Flameaxe's wagon would have been much better to go to lynch than yours. Scum would probably also have rather voted him, since he has a PR.

Defining wagoning = subjective
+ Vague
+ Convenient
-------
= Scum

Q.E.D.

Why is he not dead?

A better question would be to ask why he claimed it in the first place.

Because, as far as I'm concerned, he came out far too soon, and actively tried to avoid the worst of the 'vague' and 'convenient' situations you mentioned. It strikes me as fairly plausible that a role like this could exist, and if it was in the game on FA, then I think he picked the right way to play it. I also don't think that coming out an claiming a major part of your role in that fashion is something that someone who didn't have that ability would do, and I consider it an unlikely ability for a scum. It could be one massive gambit, but I don't really reckon FA is that type of player, and it's not even a particularly beneficial gambit anyway.

I agree.

Why is JD trying to force coherence into a Fritz role? What exactly is his role supposed to fit? WTF? It's Fritz's fav Fictional Figures Faction mafia. HK-47 sounds like it would be one of Fritz's favorite figures cause he's a robot. Who kills bitches. Seriously.

Major FoS:JDodge

Vote: Cephrir. He gives me funny feeling in my khram.

And not the good sort.

I agree with this.

EBWOP: Okay, so MoS did vote you. I need to read more carefully. That's what I get for posting all stream-of-consciousness.

You fail at flippancy.

Actually, it's currently on UA because I'm thinking that the SlasherScum is probably a scumchatter. Admittedly, now that I think about it, UA has been relatively scarce in ScumChat as of late, and my vote is probably better suited to somebody who has actually been active in ScumChat recently, such as yourself or IH.

....and how did you come to this reasoning? Just curious how you came to the conclusion of slasherscum=scumchatter

Yah, when we can kill Sarc or UA?

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The on in the first line should be own.

Dang English language.

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And it is...... what?

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It's more "attitude" than "scumchat"titude. Your play has been, quite frankly, terrible in my opinion. You've flat-out stated that IH, Tal, "anybody who votes for Ibby," Xyzzy, Jordan, IH again (based on "voting for Sarc" at the start of D2), Flameaxe for no apparent reason while asking for a claim, and IH/MoS/Glork were all scum with no reasonable explanation given.

This made me giggle uncontrollably for some reason...

I'm sad now that it made me giggle uncontrollably. = (

A) I want you to explain what you think usual "protown Glork" is like; and

"Why aren't scum dead yet? Cause Glork is one of them"

IH's vote on me and his vote on UA at the beginning of today were both extremely weak. UA was wrong about Jordan, so he's scum? Yeah, well, so was half the town.

Errr, actually I was voting UA because someone asked him a question and he used a mountain of others reasoning without stating his own....

Yeah, well, I'm sure my meta on Thok probably sucks too, but I was still right about him in Royal Family.

Seriously man, that statement on Thok hurt me in the soul. "Thok is scum. He just is" It doesn't matter he turned out to be scum, it just hurt me in the soul.

Well I had this big thing typed up about CTD and Glork one of them being scum talking about the Tar breadcrumb and reviewing again NONE of it was like it was in my mind ._. So this is all that's left of it, and I think the only thing thats valid

The biggest question I'm wondering is... why was Tar killed? I mean, I don't think Tar was scummy enough for a vig kill. I'd assume scum would have a better kill, so

why

was Tar killed?

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A better question is this: why are you trying to speculate uselessly about nightkills?

I'm personally curious and trying to deduce what kind of kill it was. I'm usually not one for

uselss

Nightkill speculation but the guy had two posts. I won't press it, but I will leave it out for contemplation.

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Care to address my other point?

Nah, since it's a choice of reading inflection to choose which one, if there is one, that you would consider was major from those points I posted about UA.

Also, you don;t think someone trying to outguess Fritz mod, because "Discworld wouldn't be vanilla?" is scummy? That's not even because he was wrong about Jordan. I mean that would be way more likely to be a vanilla role to Fritz, imo, than something else. I mean, it's Fritz.

I don't associate Discworld with the word 'bitches'

I do associate the word bitches with Fritz though.

Bitches.

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How is starting a wagon scummy again? How is the person who started the wagon scummy instead of the people jumping on for week reasoning?

Major FoS:Blight

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Glork I don't trust meta's players give me on themselves. >= |

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I know, but MoS can back me up. If you know you're own metas then you can just as easily change it.

hence why I consider them null if a player mentions it themelves. Maybe I'm just full of dumbassery, but thats just something I believe.

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Yeah, but precedent doesn't mean you've done it this game right? I'm just saying, pointing out your own metas don't really convince me of your innocence to me, since you are aware what you're doing.

If anyone was to attack you for what you were doing, you can just say "See, look I've already done that! And I was town!"

I'm mostly saying I just don't think it's a proper defense, as it's to unsubstantial if a player is concious of their metas and can hypothetically play them in a controlled way.

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EBWOP Looking at one or two of those lines that looks slightly far fetched, but meh, I still stand by it.

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Why can't you be funny?

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I repeat my question.

Why can't you be funny?

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Bitches is reserved for Fritz

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Ok Skruffs. Why do you think that the robot role is a scum role?

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Hey, CKD, do you have a crush on me or something?

I do 8)

On another note I'll post something relevenant soon.

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Something Relevant

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Lynch or it didn't happen.

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hi

I need to start posting

I feel lazy

and fat

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Will be catching up from page 14 soon

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I'm conflicted on BBB right now.

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It's the equivalent of a survivor, if it's true, and a very cheesy, bad fake-claim, if not true, and either way, it's not helpful to town.

Also, note that he's spent the bulk of his game on band-wagoning senselessly or defending his band wagoning. Even if his role was scummy like that in nature, he's not acting town of his own will anyways, and is hiding behind the role as an excuse to not help scum hunt. He wouldn't have 'had to claim' if he actually endorsed wagons that he himself came up with. But he's not coming up with wagons of his own, is he?


IS HE???


no. SOmething smells like caught scum and/or crusty vajayjay.

Why would he volunteer the information as scum. Sounds counteractive.

FoS:SKruffs

FoS:MoS

for aggreeing with Skruffs blindly. It sounds well, but in practice I don't think it would happen. Not volunteered willingly.

It's absolutely nothing like a survivor role in any way.

And you're asking too much from him, to my mind. You're saying he's scum for not playing extremely well, whilst not holding anyone else up to that light.

It's more the fact that you're picking on him for bandwagonning when the grand majority of the town was bandwagonning, for no reason other than he claimed a role that means that he has to bandwagon. But that should really be irrelevant, considering the reason you're stating.

And, no offence, Skruffs, but you more than anyone should know that town players frequently play badly.

What he said.

I don't remember changing my "tactics" at all. I didn't like Theo's vote. I explained why I didn't like Theo's vote and it just so happened that defending Cephrir was a result of my explanation. I guess it's kind of hard explaining why you didn't like someone's vote without somewhat defending the person they voted for.

FoS:Blight

FoS:Yagami

for post 398.

Sarc why did you vote Glork for voting Blight, and then when he switches back on, switch to Blight?

Sarc's playing like he does in scumchat. Nothing concrete to conclude from so far.

MOS, you've been scum in every game. Every experience I have had with you has been when you are scum. Your comment about yesterday's wagon is par for the course of other comments you made in other games, as scum. Rememebr when you jokingly claimed cop in Maf. 61, bussing yoru buddy?? That recent comment was on the same lines.

If you are town in THIS game, then I will take that into account in future games.

I know for a fact this is untrue. You've been in a game where MoS was town, if only briefly. >= |

FoS:Skruffs

My recent comment was nothing AT ALL along those lines. First and foremost, it was not a joke. I am serious that there are probably scum on the Jordan wagon yesterday. Cuz...DUH. He was quicklynched on D5 by a majority of the players. How could there not be scum on it? What I said is common sense, but it's not something that people were doing, so I pointed it out. I fail to see ANY connection AT ALL between that comment and my joking fake claim that HAPPENED to get my scumbuddy lynched in Mafia 61.

You fail at taking into account the type of game this is, who is the mod, and what kind of people are here because of the mod.

I'm saying that it's a MAJOR probabilty scum were on it, because DUH it's a majority lynch! There was probably a scum on it. I'm just saying that doesn't mean there necessarily was one.

Ibby seems to be doing the same thing as MoS did with Skruffs, but with Sarc and MoS. Might just be Ibby though.

I still stand by my statement, that Sarc hasn't made that much of anything telling. He hasn't done anything protown or scummy imo.

Role fishing is trying to find out someone else's role. You wanted him to claim, and thus know his role. Thus, you were role fishing.

Wrong.

Rolefishing is fishing for someones role. It's called fishing because it recquires subtlety. When you grab a shotgun and start firing into the water, thats not fishing.

Kay.

unvote, vote:Skruffs

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I just spotted where he's held a player to a slightly more than better standard TWICE and used it as a scumtell.

The blight and Sarc argument is just silly now. (around post 480 or down) I'm skimming their posts.

JD why did you switch to BLight?

I've noticed Sarc tells everyone that thinks Blight is town to "bus their buddy". He doesn't do so for PJ, and instead tells him "he's wrong"

Respect? Buddy? Insignificant? Unsure.

FYI: I'll think Ibby has gotten the same vibes from you. True story.

You forgot "Fritz was there"

I am not scum.

I wish I was as good as MoS.

I wish I would have noticed the people who just gave in with Sarc and voted Blight in the middle of the argument. Skruffs was one. JD might have been another. I can't remember.

I would prefer a Skruffs lynch I think...... that was a really weird Cephrir wagon out of nowhere.

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What's weird about it?

Uh, well about 5 people voted, and I must have missed the catalyst that made that happen.

So you think that Thin_Man's role makes sense, and that his hiding behind that role instead of playign the game (scum hunting), basically just saying "I have to be on every wagon so that is all I am goign to do, and that's why", is enough?

That's fine, I just want you to say so, one way or another. His claim is a good fake claim for scum, is the main point of my suspicion of him.

1.BBB not Thin man. Flameaxe claimed it.

2.Unlucky town. Townie Serial Killer. I didn't say he was good town. I said he was likely to be town.

IH - why would you rather just ignore the cephrir/tar/sarc/blight argument? Do you think all of those players are town?

Uh I haven't ignored it, that much. I find most of it highly irrelevant, except for Blight, who's original actions were scummy imo. I'll have to go look back and review the Cephrir wagon, cause I can't actually remember why it was started in the first place. Why is Tar's name on there?

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in Hindsight, looking at the cephrir wagon, it's because Theo accused him of not being curious enough.

Sarc said he was fencesitting

Then about three more people joined in and voted him. (Page 11)

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Ih, you were the townie sk, not mos. What am I missing here? I'm talking about large games me and mos both played in.

err that was about BBB, not MoS. I'm just saying that a role looking scummy doesn't mean that person is scum. It's more likely it's a mod wanting a role to look scummy, though it's entirely possible it's a fake claim.

I'd be more willing to believe it's the former, because the eagerness to get it out was similar to mine in Unluckyville.

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IH - I didn't vote you in Unluckyville. I believed your claim. YOU ACTUALLY ACTED TOWN!!!! You were helpful and deliberate in discussing things. Flameaxe is not, so I don't think your example is a valid example. Flameaxe made a claim ad is hiding to it and you seem to be protecting that stance of his. Why?

Completely missing the point.

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What is yoru point? Your point is that town didn't believe your claim in Unluckyville (how many people on your wagon were scum btw) and lynched you for it despite you acting protown. My point is that the claimed 'psychotic robot' is not diong anything protown and is hiding behind the excuse that he 'has' to wagon oppurtunistically to avoid being urged to do the same. And I don't understand why you are defending that, wether that is part of his claim, or not.

Go read the last post of mine on the last page.

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err that was about BBB, not MoS. I'm just saying that a role looking scummy doesn't mean that person is scum. It's more likely it's a mod wanting a role to look scummy, though it's entirely possible it's a fake claim.

I'd be more willing to believe it's the former, because the eagerness to get it out was similar to mine in Unluckyville.

So, why did you leave out the last line, that was more important than the rest?

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Who's making fun? We're not stating facts?

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Isn't Pooky, in fact, property?

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THis game is getting less fritzee, and therefore less full of win.

Why aren't we in day 3-5 yet?

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^^ I don't like that statement.

Dunno if it's scummy or not, but it rubs me the wrong way.

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PJ has to post large amounts of words one time or another, or else he explodes.

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I actually did review all of Cephrir's posts in consulmaker... and I must say he played sloppily but at least offered up a defense of himself.

First of all, I'd like a second link from him. I may review the vanilla link.

Second of all after reviewing that and seeing his two reactions to being voted, they didn't differ much, but they did differ enough I'm considering voting him.

Notice in consulmaker he at least attempted to defend himself more, than here. (I'm mainly referring to his fourth post in the game, if you look through the filters to compare.

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FoS:Rogueben

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CKD, you never claimed flavor. Do so.

How or why do you investigate? Do not put things out as they are exactly in your role, but give us a generalization.

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I thought you were trying to prove he read Pegbam

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You gave me a roleblocking... but I didn't recieve anything

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EBWOP:I'm stupid -_-;

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PJ, if Glork recieved it last night, and you're willing to believe that, how is Tar's post intriguing?

Also I have recieved zero notification from Fritz about anything. This doesn't prove anything, but I wasn't notified of anything either.

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Ah, you're sentence was misleading.

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Or Glork recieved a power that doesn't take effect until TONIGHT.

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It only has to do with the last one.

Just because MoS or I didn't recieve a power STILL doesn't condemn him either. I want to take a closer look at people jumping on Glork without thinking this through and the possibility of role actions in the night = |

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I've been trying not to do this, because I do this all the time, but...

It's kind of a tossup for Glork to be town. He's investigation immune could mean he just came up innocent. This makes any investigation on him last night null and void. You could say a GF is investigation immune, as in you don't get their alignment.

As for Glork's claim, any number of things could have happened. I'm guessing either a redirector or roleblocker setting him up. Could be even more possible that Glork was redirected to himself, or even some type of randomizer, or Glork could just be some type of 0% role.

Glork, do you know what your role actually gives out? I wasn't paying too close attention yesterday, and I will probably read over it soon. The main thing I remember was going over the day, and seeing alot of Sarc arguing, and just not caring.

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So why would Glork claim a role that didn't work like that at all?

Do you think that Glork would make that kind of claim?

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Pj's post makes sense, but I'm unsure, since Glork scum does have a tendency to have elaborate claims. I still think that Glork scum would not claim a

proveable

role

Also, I've been watching Deathnote, so I totally feel like L right now.

Clearly PJ is kira. Which is the best villain name ever. Engrish ftw.

Oh. What about a town redirector, who redirected Glork to himself? That would also explain Glork's power from last night? Unless Glork knows what gifts he's giving and what they do.

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So I should leave out a significant meta on Glork, because you think it's possibly wifom?

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Vote:CKD

He just voted Glork earlier this page, saying "I feel Glork is the GF"

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Same page, missed the one under it.

well crap...so the Mod (big frown) messed up the night choices due alcohol entanglements (I am paraphrasing here). Apparently I should have received an innocent on one of my investigations and the other I should have received a “lack of result” on the other (Glork).

I don’t know if this affected anyone else’s vote on Glork, but I need to reread to see if it affects mine. This was one of the things (out of three) that I felt like Glork was lying about. As it turns out…he was telling the truth and I think it is important to know.

Unvote Glork

But you said you would reread.

So why did you vote Rogueben? How much more does it affect your vote on Glork?

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So why is Rogueben scummy?

[IH]

Someone isn't just "scummy".

Why is Rogueben scummy to you?

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So you aren't willing to take a mod mistake in which Glork was revealed to have an innocent result on him, but the cop was supposed to NOT get a result, into account?

At all?

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I don't know where Glork's targets have gone, but it seems pretty obvious that Glork is either the Godfather or is town, and I'm leaning that if the mod forgot he had that choice, he'd forget Glork was the GF.

CKD, you have to have SOME reason you think Rogueben is scummy, or else you're just voting.

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Meh, I forgot that CKD had claimed cop. = (

unvote

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I knew someone had claimed an investagation on Glork.

I saw you vote for Rogueben.

I had forgotten you claimed cop.

Hence I was thinking it was a different person who had claimed an investagation on Glork.

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That'd be rather stupid of me to lie about not getting Glork's ability, even if I was scum, because if Glork is innocent, then his role will come up and I'd die. As scum it'd be much more advantageous for me to tell the truth about what I'd gotten.

This is mainly why I think someone interfered with Glork's action and he's not lying about trying to gift me, and i didn't get it for some reason, because it would be just as stupid for Glork to lie about giving me a gift when he didn't.

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This is a good game

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I take Zykore daily.

Is it like Zykora?

I should probably post some content, huh?

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Err, my presence has been requested?

first, I apologize.

Second, a page filled with bold red "Kill IH's" are fun.

Anyway, is there anything specific you need me to comment on other than requesting activity? It'd probably be a lot quicker before I start catching up to answer any of those concerns.

Unless you don't feel like taking the time, and in that case go ahead with the Kill IH's.

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So I guess the red Kill IH's still go so far?

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woo