Paint Mafia! - Game Over!

[Davsto]

VOTE: West9

[Davsto]

If we 100% think someone is scum, don't bother wasting a colour flip on them.

Colour flips are for people we're unsure of.

Think of it as a public Cop - if everyone knows X is scum, is there really any point in inspecting them? Because if you're right, you've basically just wasted it.

[Davsto]

When did I say I didn't want you colour flipped? It was more of a general comment than anything else. No-one 100% thinks you're scum 4 pages in. At least I hope not.

[Davsto]

The Froggy I know would come in guns blazing.

I know he said he was going easier in this game but that doesn't mean I'm ok with him making two joke posts and leaving without even RVSing, especially with this playerlist.

ahaha

haha

VOTE: Spiffeh

[Davsto]

When did I say I didn't want you colour flipped? It was more of a general comment than anything else. No-one 100% thinks you're scum 4 pages in. At least I hope not.

At one point is anyone 100% thinking someone is scum, especially on D1? At what point does everyone know X is scum?

@Spiffeh: Why does it seem like you don't want to answer my questions?

I mean "100% sure" is definitely an exaggeration, but you know the general gist of what I mean. If a player is so scummy that they are basically universally scumread, yeh...

[Davsto]

"Frogger said pre-game before he knew his alignment that he was going to be less active this game whatever happened

he's being less active and insane this game? obvscum 5-vote wagon yay"

[Davsto]

I'm giving him a free pass because of something that he said pre-game and is thus not indicative of alignment in any way. I'd be pretty pissed if I went into a game and before the game I say "I'm gonna try a different playstyle" and then get lynched for trying a different playstyle.

I'm chainsawing Spiffeh because I'm fairly sure he's more intelligent than to honestly push that.

[Davsto]

I feel like at least one of Davsto or Acryon knows my alignment and wants town cred for my blue flip.

Just need to figure out which one/both. Right now Davsto bothers me the most (hence my vote)

Great. It's not like I'm attacking a hugely stupid and flawed argument. No, make sure it's the option that makes me look bad

[Davsto]

"Frogger said pre-game before he knew his alignment that he was going to be less active this game whatever happened

he's being less active and insane this game? obvscum 5-vote wagon yay"

I never said either of these things when explaining my scum read of Froggy lol

Yes I am aware Froggy said he was changing his play style. I am scum reading him independently of that. Just because he said that doesn't mean people can give him an out for behavior I deem scummy regardless.

I mean I'm like 99% sure it's not really independent of that judging by what you've said, considering it's basically "wow he hasn't jumped into early game and said everything"

[Davsto]

I mean, explain the others because I struggle to see how you find things that I haven't done scummy.

[Davsto]

- Your RVS vote sucked because we were already out of RVS at that point

I opened the thread, looked at the playerlist, saw who I could make a stupid joke about, made an RVS post. I didn't read the thread first to decide whether or not we were out of RVS 2 pages in.

- Your reasoning for wanting a color flip was dumb because there's no way we can be 100% sure someone is scum, especially on D1.

I elaborated and explained very fucking clearly that "100% sure" was more exaggeration than anything else, early setup theory is hardly going to be perfect.

- You hadn't done any scumhunting so I told you to scum hunt

o dear god i hadn't scumhunted three posts into the game call the fucking police I'm literally always like that, I think you'll be hard pressed to find many games of either alignment where I am out of the door doing shit D1. Hell, this is probably one of my earliest starts.

- Your then reacted with a vote on spiffeh

I mean that wasn't a reaction that was me reading through the game from the start since I'd skipped the beforehand stuff assuming it was RVS

- That vote on Spiffeh was trash

Apparently pushing on someone for using shitty reasoning is trash. Fucking news to me.

- Your post 108 sheeped my reasoning in 98

I've read the two posts side-by-side and I call bullshit on this one, put the wrong numbers?

- You are chainsawing defending me

Isn't the whole point of chainsaw defending that it's one-scum-protected-other-scum?

- You are willing to give me a free pass (110), which is ridiculous. Even if I change my playstyle there's ways to tell if I'm scum or town by my motivations.

When you say you "WILL be playing a different, more calm, less active playstyle, regardless of alignment" I'm going to assume that an entry that doesn't involve you going around and looking at everyone is null. I never gave you a "free pass," it means that lack of stuff early is null and, thus, Spiffeh's push based on that is shit.

- Your continued explanation in 136 is still harping on the playstyle point when Spiffeh has clearly said he's scum reading me for more than just my changed playstyle.

But he hasn't, I'm fairly sure his only reason for scumreading you he's said is that you did a few non-game-relevant posts earlygame which is basically a changed, calmer playstyle whatever way you look at it.

[Davsto]

I'm pointing out that a push is shitty in my view by pointing out said shitty push and voting for it.

Your alignment doesn't really come into it.

[Davsto]

I mean... two people having similar thought processes doesn't like auto-prevent them from both being town, does it?

[Davsto]

Okay then, two towns saying the same thing. Are you acting like that's impossible or what? Spiffeh's reasoning regarding that stuff was shitty anyway, doesn't matter who said it first.

[Davsto]

I haven't seen anyone provide it, I've just seen people keep spouting that whenever I say "Spiffeh is pushing on Fro99er for being calmer and shit early-game despite Fro99er literally saying he would be"

[Davsto]

Explain how him providing more reasoning than that somehow nullifies Spiffeh's push regarding that whole playstyle thing being awful and scummy.

Because Spiffeh's push regarding that whole playstyle thing was awful and scummy.

[Davsto]

oh no you voted for me twice

the horror

[Davsto]

No, my whole case is saying that thing he did is scummy. I don't think I ever said anything about it being "his whole case was that".

also


DDDDDDDDDDDD:

[Davsto]

"Fairly sure his only reason" =/= "my entire case hinges on that being his only reason". I stand corrected on the first part by my case is still valid.

Davsto, do you think Fro99er is scummy?

Starting to.

[Davsto]

Ach

Large Normals

They are fast

catchup woo

[Davsto]

General gist

VOTE: pisskop
People are going to spend the whole game arguing about his alignment because of his... abrasive personality. I'd much rather get his probably alignment in as soon as possible to throw away the inevitable useless arguments which will almost certainly devolve from scumhunting to just insults within about 10 posts.

lilith would be an okay flip but I have waaayyy more reasons to prefer piss'
TSO would be too, and him actively fighting his flip is kinda sketchy but that's probably just TSO

[Davsto]

lilith would be an okay flip but I have waaayyy more reasons to prefer piss'

What are those way more reasons?

I mean I gave them literally in the post but whatever

[Davsto]

Let's color flip Davsto, who hasn't done jack since his push on spiffeh.

Yes

General gist

VOTE: pisskop
People are going to spend the whole game arguing about his alignment because of his... abrasive personality. I'd much rather get his probably alignment in as soon as possible to throw away the inevitable useless arguments which will almost certainly devolve from scumhunting to just insults within about 10 posts.

lilith would be an okay flip but I have waaayyy more reasons to prefer piss'
TSO would be too, and him actively fighting his flip is kinda sketchy but that's probably just TSO

I haven't done anything

General gist

VOTE: pisskop
People are going to spend the whole game arguing about his alignment because of his... abrasive personality. I'd much rather get his probably alignment in as soon as possible to throw away the inevitable useless arguments which will almost certainly devolve from scumhunting to just insults within about 10 posts.

lilith would be an okay flip but I have waaayyy more reasons to prefer piss'
TSO would be too, and him actively fighting his flip is kinda sketchy but that's probably just TSO

certainly not

General gist

VOTE: pisskop
People are going to spend the whole game arguing about his alignment because of his... abrasive personality. I'd much rather get his probably alignment in as soon as possible to throw away the inevitable useless arguments which will almost certainly devolve from scumhunting to just insults within about 10 posts.

lilith would be an okay flip but I have waaayyy more reasons to prefer piss'
TSO would be too, and him actively fighting his flip is kinda sketchy but that's probably just TSO

how observant of you

[Davsto]

Like you're going to flat out lie to push some bullshit case on me

VOTE: Fro99er

Need people to see he's scum

[Davsto]

im mobile that came out wrong.

His omgus instead of adding more content crafting a case is weak

sure, he literally lied to push a shitty colour flip

but I'm the scum here

congrats you're a fucking genius

[Davsto]

a nasty attitude

ohai kettle

[Davsto]

Davsto, treat me with some respect please. i'm really not in a good mood.

Maybe you'd be in a better mood if you'd rolled town~

[Davsto]

No fro99er please don't replace out I didn't see that :/

[Davsto]

I'm sorry :c

I'll replace out if you would rather not play with me

[Davsto]

Seriously though Fro99er I didn't see that I'm really sorry and I'll replace out if you'd like me to

[Davsto]

Froggy please come back

I genuinely didn't see that

I try my best not to be an ass but sometimes the game just goes to my head and I'm really sorry, please don't replace out

[Davsto]

to other people sorry for being asshole-ish i promise I'll stop

I'm gonna try my best to be as nice as possible, for the rest of this game and any other in my future

Again, super sorry for this :/

[Davsto]

So dave, do you think youve adequately performed this game?

When people say you have no real content, do you think thats right?

Why did you vote frogger when he said you had no content, instead of posting your content you did have?

Saying I have "no" context is an exaggeration, I do have a little bit

But not much

is being slow early and D1 part of my null meta yet? I feel like I've been it in enough games

[Davsto]

I just wanted to apologize to davsto

No need to apologise to me, I shouldn't have made the comment even though I didn't know what was up, it was my fault and it was an assholey thing to do

Hope you're okay <3

[Davsto]

Im glad we all wasted our time on that flip.

I mean

you say it's a waste of time

But you say that whilst voting

me

like

I'm hardly the pinnacle of unreadability and scumplay, or a dangerous foe. I'm also hardly a town leader so my blue flip wouldn't really help me do much.

[Davsto]

VOTE: Aristophanes

Not liking this slot still

@Spiff

hiplop and mayyybe Marquis? I'm kinda going on gut right now because early in a large theme but that's where I'm being pulled

[Davsto]

davsto isnt a bad player

except this game.

why? hes scum

lolwut

You're using some sort of Burden of Proficiency...

...on

me

?

Who's been on site like 6 months and has a town winrate that barely scrapes 50/50

[Davsto]

VOTE: Aristophanes

Not liking this slot still

Do you have anything more?

Not really, no.

I recently lost my job, I don't have the motivation to play anymore.

Sorry Cheet, but please

replace me

.

Hope you're okay CO

[Davsto]

[quote="In post 799Davsto-Who's scum?

~SW[/quote]Didn't I answer this question from someone like a page ago?

VOTE: Aristophanes

Not liking this slot still

@Spiff

hiplop and mayyybe Marquis? I'm kinda going on gut right now because early in a large theme but that's where I'm being pulled

Yes, apparently.

[Davsto]

uch


fuck quotes

Let's try again

Davsto-Who's scum?

~SW

Didn't I answer this question from someone like a page ago?

VOTE: Aristophanes

Not liking this slot still

@Spiff

hiplop and mayyybe Marquis? I'm kinda going on gut right now because early in a large theme but that's where I'm being pulled

Yes, apparently.

[Davsto]

town dav wouldn't say something like that

something like what? Something doubting his own skills at mafia?

[Davsto]

town dav wouldn't say something like that

something like what? Something doubting his own skills at mafia?

hiplop. Question. Answer.

Thanks~

[Davsto]

town dav wouldn't say something like that

something like what? Something doubting his own skills at mafia?

hiplop. Question. Answer.

Thanks~

[Davsto]

Maybe I'll give you more incentive.

VOTE: hiplop

[Davsto]

I'll join the BBT stuff once I get this little thing sorted out

[Davsto]

I mean I could join it now

Don't tempt me

[Davsto]

Aight that's fine then, if you were talking about that self-deprecation post I'd have been miffed.

VOTE: BBT

Try me.

[Davsto]

Alright RC, I'll stop. I was having so much fun with that. Apologies if it went too far.

What you wanna talk about?

"it was just a joke"

[Davsto]

you know what? fuck it

lets get him spiff
VOTE: bbt

I'm sorry, did you miss the part where I said I would lynch him if he votes me? Because I'm pretty sure that's what I said.

I don't think the problem is that you said you'd vote me

I think the problem is you gave no real reason to vote for me, apart from me being the easiest player on your wagon to lynch.

[Davsto]

Bah, I'll stay. Yesterday night wasn't the best time for me.

Acknowledged! Thanks for staying!

yay ^('-')^

[Davsto]

We have a real-life day to do this. Don't dither, just decide.

No, we have two. Don't exaggerate to cause panic.

Bullshit rushed panic late wagon is bullshit, rushed, panicked and late.


I have a strong scumread on BBT, whereas I have nothing on Awesome; there is nothing that suggests to me that this wagon has any merit whatsoever.

[Davsto]

just curious, I haven't played with DGB before (well she replaced into a game after I died but I'd hardly call that "playing with"), why would she be a good flip?

Ta.

[Davsto]

Hey guys Davsto is scum I think

spiffeh

go home

ur drunk

[Davsto]

Also seem to remember DGB not really being difficult to read..?

Like I may have my memory marred from having already known her alignment at the time, but she seemed pretty fucking townie as far as I remember and basically saved her slot from being fucked

[Davsto]

Davsto, why are you pushing so hard against a DGB flip?

I'm not pushing hard

I just don't really see the motivation and point behind it, and would rather actually consider it before jumping on blindly like basically everyone else on the wagon.

[Davsto]

But at the moment I'm kinda leaning gut town on her

And I don't feel like having a flip to which my reaction will be "oh wow that's exactly what i expected"

[Davsto]

davsto you're town and you have my support here. make a choice

I'll get back to you on this tomorrow

it's 9:30 PM and my head isn't straight and I don't want to make a decision and then wake up in the morning and go "why the fuck did I think that'd be a good idea"

[Davsto]

Lilith = Frozen Angel by the way.

What?

Confused

Frozen Angel isn't in this game

Why is she being brought up again?

[Davsto]

lilith and Frozen Angel have played together in at least one game before

Mods track that shit

Basically I'm not buying it

[Davsto]

Are you going to do that thing where you just say absolute nonsense and see what happens?

[Davsto]

Because, as funny as that is, I wouldn't say I'm in the mood for it.

[Davsto]

Hmm I realized I forgot Davsto. Dav, can you talk to me about your thoughts? I feel like usually I see a level of involvement from you that hasn't been there this game, maybe it's because you're in similar boat as me regarding larges, but I do want to hear what you have to say.

Yeh I know, larges

Lean town on RadiantCowbells (because he stopped doing the random-nonsense thing when I called him out)
hiplop is leaning a tad towards town for me
Spiffeh and MM are ehhh teeny tiny scumleans
Will probably check some ISOs tonight to get a better grasp of the game because I skimmed for a few days.

[Davsto]

I'd say that hiplop is mainly gut. His push on me felt genuine.

RC, he was messing around with the fake guilty and the

Lilith2013 is a Frozen Angel alt. That's why I replaced in.

Geez, didn't you know?

You're not buying it because you're one of those goddamn english cheapskates who are too busy sipping tea and eating crumpets to know a fantastic deal when you see it.

stuff, but when I told him to stop, he actually stopped.

OK. She's not in the game.
I'm voting MM because I think he's probably scum.

I feel that scum!RC would stubbornly keep messing around even though it's anti-town because, let's face it, he'd probably get townread for it.

[Davsto]

I feel that scum!RC would stubbornly keep messing around even though it's anti-town because, let's face it, he'd probably get townread for it.

This is such a weird and specific conclusion to draw. On top of that, it would become clear soon enough that there was no FA alt in the game, so your reasoning involving RC continuing seems additionally silly.

Have you played with RC before?

Scum!RC would probably keep pissing about like that until he actually were in danger of being lynched for it.

It seems like an odd conclusion, but it makes sense for RC in my head.

[Davsto]

Talk about your read on Spiffeh too please?

There was that whole thing at the beginning that I seriously don't feel like going over again, plus trying to counterwagon flipped scum.

[Davsto]

I mean it's a general feeling

But I seem to remember Mafia Café having him also mess around, but people's complaints didn't really do much

Honestly at this point I'm trying to justify gut feelings which is ehh but I'm trying

[Davsto]

You seem like a slot that is rather mislead.

This is fairly normal for me. My logic can sometimes be a bit weird and probably not the best explained.

Ohwell.

[Davsto]

Seriously, ask anyone. I'm piss easy to read. I literally do not have a scum game where I haven't been lynched.

Flipping me is a waste of what is essentially a public cop.

[Davsto]

I literally do not have a scum game where I haven't been lynched.

Amendment: the single scumgame where I haven't been lynched was abandoned. I would have almost certainly have been lynched in it though, and only survived as long as I did through a fucking insane and ballsy claim.

[Davsto]

Spiff or West. I could be convinced on MM but that'd be a compromise in my eyes rather than an actual worthy target.

[Davsto]

They'd be good targets because they're unsure enough for me to be informed regardless of their flip.

I haven't really pushed because I'm probably not the most motivated person at the moment. School is tiring.

[Davsto]

guys may I remind everyone that hiplop replaced in for

Skybird

Remember how scummy she was?

And he just did some expertly faked AtE to get the target off his back and it worked fsr

I can't tell if this is serious or sarcastically exaggerated to make Skybird look bad.

That's never a good sign.

VOTE: Spiffeh

[Davsto]

No the Mario color flip is final

I've just checked this and it was made about halfway through the phase. With like 4 days to go. Seems worrying to me.

On the other hand, we do seriously only have 1 day left. I'd be happy with a Spiffeh flip. Pretty please?

PEdit No,

if

you flip blue, you get to help us with your likely-town status.

[Davsto]

Spiffeh did drop a couple of town tells, there's that.

Explain because I don't see

[Davsto]

I don't think i'm voting anyone

I'm gonna lean towards a

VOTE: Spiffeh

This day seems to be going awfully slow for day two of a large theme. This worries me.

[Davsto]

I don't think i'm voting anyone

I'm gonna lean towards a

VOTE: Spiffeh

This day seems to be going awfully slow for day two of a large theme. This worries me.

Nice vote.
Why Spiffeh?
Thoughts on the current wagons?

I believe I already stated stuff on Spiffeh, this was just me deciding that my vote might be more useful actually being somewhere than in the nether of uselessness. Nothing really set it off, you know?

Only other wagon I see is on Mario (maybe there's a more recent one but VCs are rare these days), and I'm gonna say I don't really get it. One time I played with Mario scum he was super finding reachy, ridiculous ways for anyone who questioned him to be scum. Maybe my judgement is off, but I haven't seen anyone give any reasons that are compelling and make me go "o shit ur rite"

Spiffeh did drop a couple of town tells, there's that.

Explain because I don't see

It's just the way he says to I forget who it was and I am too lazy to check, I am not scum, don't waste your time on me, look elsewhere. That's very townie thinking.

While I'd argue it's not a townie mindset to sit there and go "ugh i obvtowned d1 stop voting me", but it would be more townie to work hard and do shit and make yourself obvtown today.

PEdit: drinking game - take a shot every time Spiffeh claims he obvtowned D1
try not to die

[Davsto]

Talk about your read on Spiffeh too please?

There was that whole thing at the beginning that I seriously don't feel like going over again, plus trying to counterwagon flipped scum.

guys may I remind everyone that hiplop replaced in for

Skybird

Remember how scummy she was?

And he just did some expertly faked AtE to get the target off his back and it worked fsr

I can't tell if this is serious or sarcastically exaggerated to make Skybird look bad.

That's never a good sign.

VOTE: Spiffeh

here u go spiff

[Davsto]

also there was that thing where Spiffeh wagon was building (from like 0 votes to four in 75 posts) and then *suddenly* 5 votes piled on West9 in 27 posts.

Something about that is ech, but then I'm not a VCA expert so y/k

[Davsto]

Oh shit it's Davsto. I'm probably going to wagon you at some point this is gr8.

;-;

[Davsto]

What do you think of my recent DGB case?

I can see where you're coming from but prefer Spiffeh.

I'll look a bit more at DGB tomorrow. I wouldn't say I'm like, super-town-reading them, but I'd rather not string them up right now when there is someone I am scumreading.

[Davsto]

Yo I'm all for people talking about how shitty the West wagon was, but uuhhhhh what does this mean?

Basically it looked more like a panicked "let's get the flip away from Mario" than anything else to me.

[Davsto]

Yo I'm all for people talking about how shitty the West wagon was, but uuhhhhh what does this mean?

Basically it looked more like a panicked "let's get the flip away from Mario" than anything else to me.

yeah i agree so uh why no mario vote?

Sorry, "let's get the flip away from Spiffeh"

[Davsto]

Brain is scrambled tired halp

[Davsto]

Votecount 2.05

A party at a bar. Teehee.

[4 suggestions queued]

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MarioManiac4

[3] - Spiffeh, Anxiety Attack, pisskop

DrippingGoofball

[3] - Aristophanes, lilith2013, West9

West9

[2] - Marquis, hiplop

Espeonage

[1] - MarioManiac4

RadiantCowbells

[1] - RadiantCowbells

Davsto

[1] - acryon

Not Voting

[4] - Espeonage, Davsto, DrippingGoofball, Elbirn
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(expired on 2016-02-01 22:00:00)
With 15 alive it takes 8 votes to flip someone's colour!

0 Spiffeh, 3 West

Votecount 2.06

Slowly catching up!!

[2 suggestions queued]

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MarioManiac4

[4] - Spiffeh, West9, Elbirn, lilith2013

West9

[3] - Marquis, DrippingGoofball, pisskop

Espeonage

[1] - MarioManiac4

RadiantCowbells

[1] - RadiantCowbells

Davsto

[1] - acryon

Spiffeh

[4] - Anxiety Attack, hiplop, Davsto, Aristophanes

Not Voting

[1] - Espeonage
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(expired on 2016-02-01 22:00:00)
With 15 alive it takes 8 votes to flip someone's colour!

Running short on suggestions for pictures if anyone has anything they'd like to see. Feel free to PM me with requests!

4 Spiffeh, 3 West

Votecount 2.07

Slowly not catching up!!

[1 suggestions queued]

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MarioManiac4

[2] - West9, Elbirn

West9 [8] - Marquis, DrippingGoofball, pisskop, hiplop, Anxiety Attack, Spiffeh, Aristophanes, lilith2013

Espeonage

[1] - MarioManiac4

RadiantCowbells

[1] - RadiantCowbells

Davsto

[1] - acryon

Spiffeh

[1] - Davsto

Not Voting

[1] - Espeonage
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A hammer has been reached! Colour flip imminent..

Suddenly 8 West

[Davsto]

like even when there was a surge of votes on me couple of pages later (1561 to 1594), it was the Spiffeh voters who switched to me.

...huh

fair point

That's what you get for just looking at numbers >.>

[Davsto]

Hey spiff, I can confirm the ascetic part of the role for you, but you have to trust me because it does require telling us who you targeted.

On the bright side, I can't lie to fake disproving your role so it doesn't require you to trust me that much, more the person you neighbourised.

[Davsto]

That's who he neighbourised yesterday, he neighbourises a different person each day, right? Something like that.

In theory, I shouldn't need to tell Spiff to trust me, because he

should

know what I'm talking about. Right, Spiffeh?

[Davsto]

I also want to add that when I tried to show BBT associations, which show that we are not a BBT buddy based on his constant push on us and vote he kept for a long time, acryon discredited that by saying we shouldn't use BBT ISO. I do think acryon is scum but I also think Mario is so I'd like to flip Mario and color flip acryon tomorrow.

Also Davsto, Spiffeh neighborized us last night. It lasts all night and all day today. He also makes us ascetic at the same time. The reason we outed is cuz of the fact he wasn't talking to us in there.

~SW

So you won't be ascetic tonight? Cuz that's kinda what's important to test that whole aspect.

[Davsto]

Mmkay

Good thing, scum roleblocker is dead so this

should

be able to confirm that you do asceticise your target (I know confirmation of role =/= confirmation of alignment BUT confirmation that you're lying would confirm your alignment )

You

should

know what I'm referring to when I say I can confirm it without you having to trust me. Would you be able to co-operate and tell me who you're neighbourising tonight (at some point today if not now)?

[Davsto]

That was @Spiffeh in case you couldn't tell

[Davsto]

So you'd rather everyone doubt whether your role actually asceticises?

This isn't helping my feelings about you when you're turning down an opportunity to confirm your role.

[Davsto]

Spiffeh, you know what I have, right? I don't imagine I'd have been roleblocked. I'm trying to be as unsubtle as possible to you, seriously

[Davsto]

No I shouldn't have to reveal it.

[Davsto]

Davsto, why the fuck would you claim for absolutely nothing?

I mean

I haven't really claimed

[Davsto]

Btw Davsto so your unnecessary claim is not in vain

I will be neighborizing DGB

Okay!

UNVOTE:

I smell another rushed counterwagon again with pisskop

Need I point out this is awfully similar to the Awesome counterwagon D1

I'm still kinda ehhhh on mario though but I'll vote if it's necessary

[Davsto]

Do you have any actual disagreement with me/my points or do you just want to poopoo on my wagon while supporting neither Mario or PK as lynches?

I am indifferent of Mario's lynch - I could do with it because examining different people's motivations for however they read him (because there is a *lot* of varying opinion). The pisskop lynch seems okay but I'd rather save it until tomorrow when we've had a bit more time to think about it.

All of you are retards

Please don't.

[Davsto]

vote: elbrin

I wasnt joking when I said I didnt approve of his adhd posting

Okay cool that's the second time you've used mental problems as an insult

Do you feel cool now? Fulfilled?

[Davsto]

vote: elbrin

I wasnt joking when I said I didnt approve of his adhd posting

Okay cool that's the second time you've used mental problems as an insult

Do you feel cool now? Fulfilled?

Depends on how upset I can make you about it

Well at the moment I'm on "mildly irritated and quite disappointed"

[Davsto]

Davsto, RC, spiff i know you guys are online, now would be a good time to post if you see this game. im not gonna be here forever.

You called?

Any questions or is this just general stuff?

[Davsto]

Okay forget it cards on the table

I'm the town palette. I'm a 1 shot ability to see how many players there are of each colour. My results say there are 11 blue players and 1 purple player.

You'll notice there are 13 alive, not 12. And 0 red players. And Spiffeh hides the colour of his target.

Pedit: lmao not reading that p edit

Should we flip Elbirn just to be 100% certain of this, or should we just do whatever?

Technically the results of my test would be inaccurate because DGB is scum (it's weird), but I'm like 90% sure there being a missing player confirms that Spiffeh does asceticise the target player, so that's good.

[Davsto]

VOTE: Elbirn
Yeah, I'm gonna go with an Elbirn flip.

Scum aren't gonna kill him, because he's one-shot, and I'd like to know the accuracy of this information he's given us.

[Davsto]

And you think that Zito - unrelated to this case at hand which will show us fucktons of stuff - is a better flip? Sell it to me.

PEdit - Spiffeh, only person who can "prove" that you asceticise is DGB and forgive me if I don't want to trust her. However, if Elbirn is missing one result, it's basically proof that someone was asceticised or is ascetic because, let's face it, there aren't many other reasons.

[Davsto]

Two options:

We try to find the probscum purple guy by, for all intents and purposes, pulling a name out of a hat. There's trying to hit scum, which takes skill, and then there's trying to hit a single specific scum, which takes luck.
We make Elbirn likely town by flipping him, and then if DGB flips scum Elbirn is basically conftown by that point.


PEdit Spiffeh - It would only be reliable had DGB not been scum, but she probably is so is it really worth it? I personally do not get any confirmation - which is why I said that you didn't really have to trust me because I'm not the one truthing or lying.

While my role is hardly hidden, I don't feel like going the full mile and fullclaiming for the sake of an unreliable result.

[Davsto]

I still feel like you should know what I'm on about, but it seems my N1 action failed. I was glowing when you didn't know what I meant.

[Davsto]

Two options:

We try to find the probscum purple guy by, for all intents and purposes, pulling a name out of a hat. There's trying to hit scum, which takes skill, and then there's trying to hit a single specific scum, which takes luck.
We make Elbirn likely town by flipping him, and then if DGB flips scum Elbirn is basically conftown by that point.


PEdit Spiffeh - It would only be reliable had DGB not been scum, but she probably is so is it really worth it? I personally do not get any confirmation - which is why I said that you didn't really have to trust me because I'm not the one truthing or lying.

While my role is hardly hidden, I don't feel like going the full mile and fullclaiming for the sake of an unreliable result.

This doesn't work though. Flipping Elbirn blue does

not

prove anything. If he is town, then he flips blue. If he is scum, then he probably flips blue.

Regarding the probscum purple, we do have a better chance than pulling a name out of a hat, and that's by the method I mentioned.

I feel like there's something wrong about your logic.
If Elbirn were scum and your scum-can-paint-blue-but-they-turn-purple theory was true, why the everloving fuck would he out the existence of a purple player since that essentially scumfirms them?
Basically, if Elbirn is scum - as you seem to think - then there is no way there is any purple player, and thus your attempts to try and flip said purple player because Elbirn may be scum is mislead.

[Davsto]

Or at least, if there is a purple player, they are town, but I think we've ruled that one out through a lack of claim.

[Davsto]

And you think that Zito - unrelated to this case at hand which will show us fucktons of stuff - is a better flip? Sell it to me.

PEdit - Spiffeh, only person who can "prove" that you asceticise is DGB and forgive me if I don't want to trust her. However, if Elbirn is missing one result, it's basically proof that someone was asceticised or is ascetic because, let's face it, there aren't many other reasons.

Zito is the best color-flip because if scum can paint N1, it would make sense for them to paint the scum most likely to be color-flipped if one of them were getting heat. Awesome seemed most likely to be color-flipped at the end of D1.

Okay, so you think that if Awesome/Zito were scum, they would be the most likely to be painted N1. Fair enough. Now, do you have a case as to why he is scum, or will you just go after any player who looked like a likely flip at the end of D1?

[Davsto]

Some of you seriously want to re-flip a player? I mean, there's the argument that making flips is informationless, but there's no need to make it literally devoid of information by flipping someone we literally flipped a day ago.

[Davsto]

PSA: If we believe Elbirn, then a flip on literally anyone other than the purple player means NOTHING. Therefore, if you believe Elbirn, then you need to try and hit purple.

PSA: The only reason that people believe that scum can paint people is because of Elbirn's "result"

So, if Elbirn is scum, there's still a decent chance that scum can't actually paint anyone and he's red.

[Davsto]

only reason that people believe

By this I mean "the only evidence we have"

[Davsto]

PSA: If we believe Elbirn, then a flip on literally anyone other than the purple player means NOTHING. Therefore, if you believe Elbirn, then you need to try and hit purple.

PSA: The only reason that people believe that scum can paint people is because of Elbirn's "result"

So, if Elbirn is scum, there's still a decent chance that scum can't actually paint anyone and he's red.

I find it very unlikely that scum can't paint anyone.

What reason do you have to think this? If you have thought this from the start, as this suggests, why did you keep it to yourself rather than bringing it up at any other point than this one that is rather convenient?

[Davsto]

But if a town player were mixed with red paint, they'd claim it to us. Like "uh guys what happened I'm not blue da bo dee da bo daa anymore"

Thought about this, confused

@mod - if a player were to have their colour changed due to outside influence, would they be informed?

[Davsto]

@mod - if a player were to have their colour changed due to outside influence, would they be informed?

It would depend on the specific mechanic causing a colour change.

@mod - If, for example, a player had the ability to "paint" another player a different colour, would the player getting painted be informed that their colour had changed?

Because if scum do have a painting power and can paint town, then we have a fuckton to worry about if we're not informed when we are painted.

[Davsto]

@mod - if a player were to have their colour changed due to outside influence, would they be informed?

It would depend on the specific mechanic causing a colour change.

@mod - If, for example, a player had the ability to "paint" another player a different colour, would the player getting painted be informed that their colour had changed?

Because if scum do have a painting power and can paint town, then we have a fuckton to worry about if we're not informed when we are painted.

Wouldn't that make this bastard?

No more bastard than, say, a tailor.

[Davsto]

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

VOTE: DGB

wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[Davsto]

even just pure setup spec.
why does a town role conceal colours?

yay you neighbourise
boo it stops them being flipped

The thing is, with this public pseudo-cop mechanic (however unreliable it may be), town has a considerable amount of power that literally cannot be lost as it is a game mechanic rather than a role. A neighbouriser having a caveat that weakens it makes sense, because the town is going to be slightly weaker than your average town when it has this mechanic (as well as that palette role giving you a decent idea of the reliability of any flips for at least a day).

I don't resent you RC

And I just hate being scum read when I am objectively very obviously town

but w/e

*drinks*

[Davsto]

Definition of bastard by large theme queue stuffs

Is it possible your game has any of the following: cults, mid-game alignment changes, moderator lies that cannot be reasonably anticipated (for example, Godfather, Tailor, Miller, Ninja, and mechanics like that are generally fine. Telling someone they are a reflexive doctor when they're actually a PGO is not), secret win conditions, un-divulged non-randomness in player role/alignment generation, direct moderator influence during the game?

Pretty sure people being able to have their colour changed without being told as such doesn't fit into this.

The fact that the mod didn't immediately go "yeah you'd be told" also makes me think that you may not be told.

Ech.

[Davsto]

@mod - if a player were not to be told if their colour changed, would that, in your opinion, be considered bastard by the Large Theme queue description?

[Davsto]

But I wouldn't consider having a colour being a role - it's merely what you appear as when flipped/palleted or whatever other mechanics are in this game.

I mean look at Role PMs - they don't say "You're a Blue VT", they say "You're a VT and you're blue". You are informed as to what your colour at the game start is, but just then. It's not integral to your role as part of your role would be.

Anyway discussing this is pointless now since we're gonna be told by the mod so you'll probably get to rub in my face how wrong I am

[Davsto]

see my gut says that "wet paint" means they've been painted at any point during the course of the game

Because "see if they've been painted that particular night" is extremely specific and, 9 times out of 10, will be completely useless.

[Davsto]

Investigation softclaims are crappy because it leaves you room to backtrack if it turns out you're lying.

[Davsto]

Flipping me is a waste of what is essentially a public cop.

We have like two or three investigation roles claimed at this point, so you should talk about whatever it is you're talking about

?

All I was saying there is that I'm super fucking easy to read - especially with some of the players in this playerlist - and that the colour-flipping first half of the day mechanic would be a waste on me because I'm easy to read

[Davsto]

Not investigative.

[Davsto]

They're mods, not gods. Chances are they're just deciding what to do. They have to take time to decide how to react so they don't overreact or do something rash, so they can act fairly.

Just because they haven't done it in the blink of an eye doesn't mean they aren't doing anything. Discussing the best solution to something is basic site moderating 101. They'll get the job done.

I'm not sure about you, but I'd rather a moderating team take time and do the right thing rather than rushing into something and banning, then realising they did a bad thing and then having a huge mess to clean up.

[Davsto]

I don't really care about the drama, all I'm saying is that site mods know what they're doing - otherwise they wouldn't be site mods - so maybe you should step back and see if the situation is as black-and-white right-and-wrong as you are making it out to be.

I just have a pet peeve when people criticise the mods because they put a fuckton of work in and rarely get appreciation, only scorn when they don't do exactly what this one person wants.

[Davsto]

Sorry, my bad, I shouldn't have continued interactions.

Anyway, has this game died again? Like, for a large theme, this has definitely slowed a bit.

[Davsto]

Okay, so, we're literally narrowing down the lynch targets to two people because of a result (that we don't fully understand the meaning of) (from someone we don't 100% trust, no offence acry) (that could also point towards other things)?

Anyone else see the flaw here? This feels more like scum taking advantage of a good situation.

[Davsto]

I'm also leaning on acryon town but honestly those three factors stacking and the lack of questioning beyond "which of the two" is worrying me.

PEdit hmm, idk :/

[Davsto]

Nah, RC's is definitely blue; look towards the bottom middle-right, and it's incredibly saturated blue. It probably just looks a bit purple because it was pink and colours mixing etc.

[Davsto]

Hmm.

I've been thinking, and West honestly is the best lynch here.

If it is - as is likely - scum painting, chances are that one of the three is either (a) scum being painted to disguise or (b) someone who's been framed.

The former could be any of the three, although I'm probably leaning more scum on West, but the latter would almost certainly be West, due to the popularity of him being flipped a second time yesterday (and the lack of likelihood of any of the others being flipped) - and, since he would have been proved to having been painted, it makes a good chance that Firebringer's town which gets that distraction out of the way (no offence FB).

So

VOTE: West9

[Davsto]

Just like a man overdosing on viagra, this thread has died hard.

[Davsto]

oh look you finally got a pagetop after trying so hard before cheet

be happy <3

[Davsto]

hiplop, I'm glowing with excitement to be flourescent with you.

[Davsto]

Hmm

So Firebringer is probably town (because with scum's almost certain now painting mechanic there probably isn't a naturally blue scum, only one of Ari/West/Fire had been painted at that time and we know it was West).

I feel we should flip Aristophanes so we can get a good chance of him being town then, unless he was painted blue last night with the knowledge that we'd consider him probably confirmed gah

[Davsto]

Also

Ari, when you're saying about wanting to be flourescent with hiplop...

Are you just saying that for fun, or do you actually mean something with it?

[Davsto]

Because I am super confused rn

[Davsto]

Heh, thanks for the clarification dude

[Davsto]

People I forget are playing unless I read their posts: Xtoxm, Davsto
People who are memorable in the game, but I forget their posts: Lilith
People who could be scm for lack of contribution: Zito

So

All of your scumreads are based on lack of memorability etc
Rather than their actual, you know, play? Doing scummy things?

Can you see why I feel that is awfully convenient?

[Davsto]

Scumreads?

Spiffeh (null about him playwise, but his role sounds a tad like a scum role, being able to conceal scum partners' colours, for example).
Zito is just eh and has basically done fuckall so I'm fine with him dying thank you very much

Xtoxm, I need to read through his and AA's things because I honestly can't say anything about them
hiplop seems to be a popular scumread choice but I'm not entirely sure I see that so I'm gonna need to read that too

[Davsto]

I'll read through those ISOs I said I was going to tomorrow, because it'll be a saturday then so I'll have more time to do anything other than rush through hoping for it to end so I can do something more interesting.

[Davsto]

Beep beep mm beep beep, yeah

I now have the night to re-read those ISOs too so that's kinda neat

Lilith, before I hammer, other nights' tracking results? Because, let's be honest here, you're probably not gonna make it through the night.

[Davsto]

kewl

VOTE: Zito

[Davsto]

spiffeh or you maybe

Acceptable.

Even though we won't have any bright neon lights yelling "scum" probably.

You decided to join the flourescent party after all?

[Davsto]

To be or not to be?
That is the question!!

fixed

[Davsto]

whee colour flips are cool and entirely irrelevant

VOTE: hiplop

Oh yeah I had a lot of schoolwork over last couple of days so I didn't get to do the shit I needed to so sorry ((

I'll get it done tomorrow

[Davsto]

yeah, this colour thing has basically been rendered null since we have physical evidence that someone can change colours, and the lack of town means it's likely scum.

Maybe it was more accurate earlier in the game, but as we've gone further through it has basically meant less and less to the point where the risk of it being correct is about equal to that of it being wrong

[Davsto]

okay so we got that waste of time over with

within the next 24 hours I will have read through and noted shit about the ISOs of several people (who? a mystery) and decided on a vote

On to victory!

[Davsto]

Honestly, the chances of any colour flip having any insight into alignment is so laughably small (as in, around 50% so it can't be trusted either way) that it should probably be disregarded. Do what you want, but I'm going full-on by reads from here on out.

And I'm the guy who

likes

setup spec.

[Davsto]

dav knows im town anyway

I mean

I don't really

know

know

[Davsto]

Elbirn has a half-decent point but there have been two nights since his last colour check and who knows what has happened since then.

I'm gonna stick with my guns and go purely by reads when I get around to it.

[Davsto]

I had a kinda shitty day so I didn't do this as soon as I got home as I had wished to do so, however I'm like mostly fine now and I have an hour before I want to start doing other shit so let's mafia this hour up

Definitely one ISO read and post-walling, potentially two.

Who will it be?

Tune in to find out

[Davsto]

Spoiler: HIPLOP

145 posts from just the replacement? Fuuuuck

For the rest of the players, this has nothing to do with the game and is all about RL.

Okay this is me reading into stuff too deep but this seems like suspiciously specific denial here.

Like, this is scum hippy to.

Here's how town hippy replaced in in MAFIACEPTION

I am here! will get to this game tonight

any huge things/important stuff I should know before looking back?

this is the worst use of meta ive ever seen

I always replace in slowly wtf I got called on that in mafiaception cuz I took a week

This post is honest and true, a quick check of hip's ISO shows that following the posts Frog quoted...

sorry thought I could get to this tonight but I keep falling asleep

tomorrow!

im still a piece of shit who hasnt quite caught up. generating a mildly large post

not liking molla flip out at votes when hes no where near a lynch, though. Really looks like scared scum

A two day wait between any content, the content of which starts with a

VOTE: drixx

sheeping until i fully catch up. saw titus claim, dont want her dead; this appears the best counter wagon

naked vote!
So, yeah. Townieness here I guess. Also something to keep in mind when I get around to Frog/Ari, because that is an incredibly nasty cherrypicking of metas. Sheesh.

IM NOT SELF CONCIOUS IM PISSED OFF THAT YOU'RE NOT GIVING ME A CHANCE

Just posting this to sum up hippy's being angry at being scumread when replacing in, since it's a large section of the ISO and ignoring it would be stupid. It's fair enough to be pissed off, but it's null.

Hey, I'm going for completion here.

ika townreading me is suspect

I SHOULD BE NEUTRAL NOT FUCKING TOWN

This, on the other hand, is kinda townie. If I were scum replacing into a game being randomly scumread, I'd happily accept a townread with open arms, a big hug, and a smile.

something like what? Something doubting his own skills at mafia?

it was the tone. Your lists are lazy, your posts are weirdly antagonistic. There is a complete tonal shift in your postds.

You're a hella strong town player but not so much with scum just yet; and that to me lends to you being scum this game

YOUR SCUMREADS WERE LITERALLY ALL LURKERS. That is hella HELLA scummy and fishing for mislynches

Forgot about this whole stage of hip scumreading me. It made me very sad. But I said plenty about it at the time oddly enough it was kinda weird but it was plenty justified from what I see and it was moved off to lynch scum so I'm gonna actually say it was townie over anything else.

VOTE: West9

Been getting scumvibes from him all along.

Um

Had you?

marqui get your vote back onthere right now you said you had reasons you back it up

hippy your being fliped next

I'm literally conf town

Okay, no context here, was this just hiplop being silly and hiploppy, or had something happened?

I think west is ideal choice

VOTE: spiffeh

ya ok

Consecutive hippy posts there btw

But, honestly, as iffy as some of this voting is... as far as I remember, this basically hiplop sooooo

ok spiff i trust

Why?

Trusting guy and I'm a bit behind

I do have reasons to suspect a LITTLE BIT but not strong enough ^_^

pedit: colour flip me all you want

Did a little digging and this isn't as townie as I thought it was, since Elby hadn't claimed yet, buuut at this point, if hiplop is the last scum because purple, he would be purple by this post and probably knew it and would have looked fucking weird upon a flip, so I can't help but feel he wouldn't have baited it that much.

shouldnt we be flipping west "coastin on a blue flip" 9

VOTE: west9

Okay in retrospect this does look a bit naff because West may have been painted purple by this point, ugh. But then again, West was a fair option, considering that he was kinda coasting a bit after his blue flip and all we knew was one more purple player existed with very little knowledge otherwise so idk. This is a bit of a curveball, but at this point I'd go for an overall town despite this little discrepancy.

Although the lack of larger posts I've seen in other games is a bit iffy too

But a lot of the stances seem super genuine, so idk.

General consensus in my mind: probably decent town, despite a couple of slight buggerances.

[Davsto]

Anyway I want to have my own free time, so that's probably the only big fancy post I'm doing tonight

[Davsto]

there are two hiplops

lazylop and regularlop

not alignment indicative
this is lazy lop as youve seen in such games as Antihero vs Fakegod

have I played a game with lazy lop?

I'd like to be more confident with my townread on you but I dislike metaing in games I didn't take part in

[Davsto]

Alright

Going fairly confident with hiplop town

I'll see if I can't get two done tonight.

[Davsto]

Okay unexpected timetable changes yesterday sorry and today is Friday so frankly I cba

But I will will

will

read through all the ISOs over the weekend and get shit done

Also the hiplop votes are ew and just seem lazy.

[Davsto]

Ari pretty much can't be scum, his paint was dry. Same with firebringer.

I hate to say this

But

Have you read lilith's full role?

She should have claimed all her results >.>

[Davsto]

Yuuuppp

Because she didn't claim

We now have no idea whether Fire and Ari are

actually

cleared by colour, at least I don't think so

which is a right pisstake

[Davsto]

OMGUS accusation

[Davsto]

Ari that was a hammer you fucker

Wait what

The fuck Ari

[Davsto]

Yeap, just checked, totally was.

Ari slot on priority for ISO check. Xtoxm slot a close second, if only because his two posts this game day were devoid of content and kinda coasting.

[Davsto]

Fire I don't think you even voted hiplop today

[Davsto]

Literally half the living players know what I am lol

I kinda just want to not claim my role for the laughs

[Davsto]

I won't claim until Spiffeh fully claims his role as well as any other events he is directly aware of within the game. It'll be clear why soon.

Also, who should we waste the silly paint flip on today?

[Davsto]

Are you ascetic too?

[Davsto]

And you have claimed any actions or events that have occurred to you that you are aware of?

[Davsto]

And you have claimed any actions or events that have occurred to you that you are aware of?

What does this mean

As in like have you received any (game-related obviously) PMs to do with stuff or anything, like literally anything?

[Davsto]

Jesus fuck there we fucking go

[Davsto]

You have no fucking clue how confused I was you fuck

[Davsto]

ily spiffeh but I've been panicking the entire game because of that shit

[Davsto]

Yeah but I've spent loads of the game hinting to you about it and you never understood

[Davsto]

And I don't like being direct with questions like that because it basically tells you what to answer

I was thinking maybe you were ascetic and lying about your role but you've basically confirmed you got it now

[Davsto]

I am that flourescent person! I am flourescent townie!

Basically a visitor/fruit vendor/whatever the fuck you wanna call that role

Each night I target a player and they hear about how there is a flourescent person what wants them to know

Targets (some had reasons, some were random because tbh I don't really give a shit about who I target when my role is basically nothing)

N1 - targeted spiffeh
N2 - targeted DGB to help confirm spiffeh's role (why I was saying "you should know what I mean" - aim was, DGB doesn't get any PM, your role is that, if she does, you're lying, hence why it didn't need you to trust me, and why I gave up when it turned out she was scum because I couldn't trust her)
N3 - targeted RadiantCowbells, but he died
N4 - targeted hippy
N5 - targeted Ari because he'd already talked about wanting to be flourescent
N6 - targeted Xtoxm

[Davsto]

idk

I'll ask mod

[Davsto]

Nope

Man Cheetory is quick

[Davsto]

fuck having a cold

I'll do some shit tomorrow

[Davsto]

Normally I'd be kinda critical of a wagon like Aristophanes, but we're not in LYLO and he's fairly scummy for a variety of reasons (I found Fro99er quite scummy from the start, his vote yesterday was atrocious, etc), and I'll be honest, basically what happens if we don't lynch him today is that we lynch him tomorrow because we'll say he's obvious scum.

What I'm saying is that we have two lynches, and one of them will certainly be Aristophanes, while the other would be another player. I'd much rather we make a more informed decision on who the scum is if not Aristophanes tomorrow, when we'll have the information from the lynch today as well as one of us dead to make the decision from a smaller selection of players, rather than a less informed decision today from a slightly larger pool from people.

I'm gonna opt for the "we should discuss more" right now though, if only for the sake of getting more information from today because, frankly, if the scum isn't Aristophanes, we're going to need all the damn help we can get.

Firebringer - you say you don't think Aristophanes is scum. Please elaborate - why isn't he scum? Who is the scum?
Spiffeh - You seem absolutely cemented in the idea Aristophanes is scum. Please elaborate - why is he scum? Who, if not him, would be the scum?
Aristophanes - You claim you're not scum; who do you think we should lynch today if it weren't you and why?
Xtoxm - what is your opinion on... uhhh... literally anything? Are you planning to catch up and, if you have already started, where are you and what are your opinions?

[Davsto]

I kinda think 2 more...am I crazy?

Pretty much. 4 scum is standard for a 17 player game. Hell, I'd actually say it's probably on the high side. Flower Viewing Festival was 19 players, and that only had 4 scum.

[Davsto]

Yeah but I don't think there'd be 5 scum in a 17 player game. You'd get to LYLO really quickly I think.

12:5 (D1)
10:5 (D2)
8:5 (D3)
6:5 (D4) LYLO

But yeah, 4 scum is the usual layout. Murder in Marlowe (17 players) had 4 groupscum members, UNIMUM (also 17 players) had 4 groupscum, and Flower Viewing (19 players, even bigger number than this) only had 4 scum too.

[Davsto]

Also Firebringer while you're here

Firebringer - you say you don't think Aristophanes is scum. Please elaborate - why isn't he scum? Who is the scum?

Please?

[Davsto]

you're chatting bullshit and i have a hard time believing you're sincere.

It's Firebringer

Him chatting bullshit is indicative of nothing but the fact that, yes, he is still in control of the account.

[Davsto]

fuck it.

VOTE: spiffeh

his continued missing of actions is too antitown.

i can't in good conscience risk letting him into lylo.

Can I ask why the continued missing of an action which obscures a player's colour - antitown in itself as it deprives us of information, nevermind the accuracy of said information - is antitown in a way that is scummy?

[Davsto]

I mean it's kinda weird that Firebringer's scared of an unlikely LYLO here when I've seen him yolo LYLOs before

But hey, maybe he's maturing a bit at least

[Davsto]

he could have been protecting townies from scum's colour changing if he's town

or stopping scum colouring themselves

he's shown no interest in doing so

Hmm

Decent point

[Davsto]

Xtoxm, please clearly answer my questions in that post what I made a bit ago

After that, I think I'm happy to hammer, although I'll wait for Ari to provide some last words for dramatic effect.

[Davsto]

Oh yeah I forgot I asked you the vaguest of vague questions

[Davsto]

I'm not gonna bother waiting for Ari to do anything because he's not back until monday

soooooo fuckit

[Davsto]

Here we stand or here we fall
History won't care at all
Make the bed, light the light
Lady Mercy won't be home tonight.

You don't waste no time at all
Don't hear the bell but you answer the call
It comes to you as to us all
We're just waiting for the hammer to fall

VOTE: Aristophanes

[Davsto]

Unsure if suspicion or random flip

[Davsto]

My thoughts are im up at 3:30 AM with a splitting headache and I literally want to die

[Davsto]

VOTE: Davsto

Now let's get some serious shit done

Later when my head doesn't feel like it's just about to explode

ACTUALLY I have a weird theory kinda thing that might mean Xtoxm is scum

[Davsto]

Scum has a player whose ability is to paint others

We both have other abilities so it's likely not us

Ergo it's Xtoxm

[Davsto]

Well done that makes a lot of sense

That brings me onto my other theory

A 4-player scumteam? With one power role? That's a 2-shot roleblocker? That's underpowered as hell.

You know what makes a pretty neat scum role? Yours.

Neighbourhood more as a cover than anything else. Can hide colours of scum partners if you want and disrupt any of the game's several investigative roles (will always disrupt the pallete, decent chance of hindering acryons role, and stopping lilith from getting a kill if you're lucky.

[Davsto]

Also, I don't honestly think you think I'm scum. I'm fairly sure you've played with scum Davsto before (correct me if I'm wrong). If so, you know I'm fucking awful as scum, fairly consistently lynched D1 or D2. My play this game has been many things. But not my scum play.

[Davsto]

Okay scratch that, you've never played with scum me, apparently. How bizarre.

In that case, I urge you to check out my scum games on my wiki page, read through them a bit. You'll get an idea of how this is not even close to my scum play.

[Davsto]

Davsto why are you trying to convince me that you're town?

If you were town you should assume I'm scum since you just said my town!Xtoxm case made a lot of sense

I have a headache idk what the fuck I'm doing really

I guess I'd prefer you to be convinced I'm town because being at L-1 as town in lylo is some scary shit

[Davsto]

Also whee

VOTE: Spiffeh

[Davsto]

Also also for full disclosure I flourescented Fire last night because he's the only player that hadn't been flourescented yet

Anyway my headache is fading a bit so im gonna see if I can get the fuck to sleep because I have a Spanish speaking assessment this morning

[Davsto]

dav mate

why are you orange

idk

Also, I don't honestly think you think I'm scum. I'm fairly sure you've played with scum Davsto before (correct me if I'm wrong). If so, you know I'm fucking awful as scum, fairly consistently lynched D1 or D2. My play this game has been many things. But not my scum play.

this comment bugs me

we know you're a capable scum player from GBA

so why are you trying to say you're incapable as scum

i want to apply LAL to this comment

Disagree. When it comes to actual day-play, behaving townily, I did pretty much awfully apart from that one thing I did. I spent most of that game coasting on a vigilante claim. That's how the game is in my head.

Compare my actual play here to there, or any other of my scum games. I'm not scum here. It should be obvious.

[Davsto]

spiffeh also has no reason to play this in the way he has as scum

literally chosen the hardest route to victory

from what he's seen of me he thinks im a weak player who is unlikely to reevaluate

yesterday i tried to lynch him

with fire as my 2nd choice

leaving dav alive and voting him before i even post leaving himself trying to convince me to change my mind on him

is not how i expect scum-spiff to approach this lylo

You're saying Spiffeh would have made an odd choice here if he were scum

But if I were scum, I killed the player townreading me the most (Firebringer) while leaving alive the player most likely to push me (Spiffeh, who had already stated that I were the scum if not Aristophanes and that he was almost certain you were town).