Paint Mafia! - Game Over!

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: Frogger
Buddied BBT. Obvscum IMO.

[MarioManiac4]

Please can we have less than twenty pages by 4pm. I want to catch up but it's hard to make sense. From what I've seen SW has been jumping everywhere and I'm not sure if that is scum or a different playstyle.
I remember having goodvibes from davsto as well

[MarioManiac4]

[quote="In post 243, MarioManiac4"]From what I've seen SW has been jumping everywhere and I'm not sure if that is scum or a different playstyle.
/quote]
nvm. this probably shouldn't count in the early game.

[MarioManiac4]

I think we should treat this as a possibility to read nulls OR check a strong player. I think TSO is probably a good IC-vote. I'll go with that for now.
VOTE: TSO

[MarioManiac4]

My vote stands

*sucks
You need a new phone just for that terrible autocorrect.

@TSO: It is possible there is a third party and probable we have a blue scum. Due to no claims we can assume all town are blue.

[MarioManiac4]

I think Mario is a good person to color flip because if he's town he's likely a potential mislynch in the future, and scum are forced to kill him or make it easier to PoE them.

And if he's scum (which I think is possible) we can lynch him.

"mario is scumgodfather"- spiffeh, D2

Anyway, I think it'd probably be useful ICing someone who is more active. Although if people want I won't object.

[MarioManiac4]

Sky and Dav.

Mafia in there. One responding to shit all pressure with town claim is way fucked.
The other posting off topic.

Pref Sky here.

Executive decision,

Vote: Skybird

VOTE: Skybird

"I'm not scum this game". Sounds like something scum would say.

This is a cool wagon

VOTE: Skybird

OK I'm reading and I'd like you all to hold up and ask you this.
Why does "I'm not scum this game" sound like something scum would say?

[MarioManiac4]

Feels like sky is RVSing just to RVS.

Yet aren't we all just RVSing here?

[MarioManiac4]

OK so I hate awesome's posts so far.
It's not really analysis. I think most of you will be able too see it, so it's difficult to describe. Like throwing out bits of random logical fallacies and seeing if anything sticks.
"you just said orange>orange because it's an orange" and "One responding to shit all pressure with town claim is way fucked.
The other posting off topic." are the two I'm looking out.

Fos: Awesome

[MarioManiac4]

Froggy sorry you drew scum this game

Not even going to respond to my comments.

Just going to say "I'm scum" 100x over.

Cool.

I know he said he was going easier in this game but that doesn't mean I'm ok with him making two joke posts and leaving without even RVSing, especially with this playerlist.

Spiff knows I said this in pre-game

Warning, if I do play,

I WILL be playing a different, more calm, less active playstyle

, regardless of alignment...so don't use that to scumread me. I've gotten too worked up over this game lately.

Which does not reconcile with this below, knowing I said what I said above in the sign-up thread.

The Froggy I know would come in guns blazing.

Frogger has just become an innocent child for me!

[MarioManiac4]

Frogger has just become an innocent child for me!

Why?

I've played three games with frog (iirc). In all we were both town. And in all I correctly townread him (and coincidentally, he incorrectly scumread me.) When I looked at a frog scumread I didn't get the same vibe.
It was because of his tone. It's something I can't explain and don't expect you to sheep.

[MarioManiac4]

Anyway - I'm getting sucked back into my old playstyle - which I was mainly doing to not piss people off and to see how people reacted to my pre game plan. I only joined because of the playerlist, because otherwise I'm pretty sick of playing mafia right now (not modding...I love modding).

At least I haven't pissed anyone off yet.

Time to go back to my pregame intended playstyle.

here he admits he slipped back into his old playstyle, which is how i read him, btw.

[MarioManiac4]

I'm giving him a free pass because of something that he said pre-game and is thus not indicative of alignment in any way. I'd be pretty pissed if I went into a game and before the game I say "I'm gonna try a different playstyle" and then get lynched for trying a different playstyle.

does the free pass on activity cover/excuse weak content? Cause up until this point, Frogger's posts have been full of the mechanics discussion, meta/playstyle talk, "waa people are voting for me," and "you're not playing the game right" that people (typically, more frequent posters, actually) to cover up for a lack of scumhunting. I mean, I don't know Frogger's meta that well, but your point makes it sound like his making infrequent yet interesting posts, and he's not.

Davsto and Acryon's "100% sure" talk and weird defenses of Frogger are bad and lame.

Sky's wagon is stupid even for RVS standards and I'm curious as to why people are choosing that one over Froggy.

I chose Sky because Froggy barely posted and said he was going to have a different style this game.

Meh-Spiffeh, Frogger, Aero look like how I've always seen them as town.

I'm confused. If Frogger's play seems typical to you, does that mean you didn't choose Frogger just because he

said

his playstyle would be different?

Also, Davsto and Acryon worry me.

Ayyyy, me too!

Ugh god, I like Frogger for going after Davsto and Acryon for defending Frogger who I don't like. Shit.

I hate you cheetory

i'm liking you more and more (luv u cheet)

Chaos is cool cool cool. I like Areo and Spiffeh too.

back to null on frogger. aa's "pissing off someone while trying not to piss off anyone" points are solid.
yeesh actually this whole "frogger deflects to playstyle shift whenever it's convenient and ignores it when it's not" thing kinda sucks.

i keep forgetting this phase is just about revealing a color.

would very much like to do that on one of the more unreadable players.

Was gonna vote frogger, but this a probably a good idea. Out of the acryon/davsto/frogger trio, the one I'm most unsure of is:
VOTE: acryon

Don't like this.
It feels like West is leading himself into looking at only three players; one of whom is based upon a scumread that is just blatantly false, and two of whom are scum for defending him.

[MarioManiac4]

Yea someone should hammer the color flip on TSO

I should post but this is all I have to say to be quite honest. Unless I missed something substantial which I doubt.

[MarioManiac4]

Okay yep, he did not drop his town tell in that game. I'm not sure that the conditions warranted it, but the absence of it even in the least suggests it still exists intact.

still like anxiety attack and spiffeh for my top town reads, town block hopping is yes heebie jeebies inducing but I'm particularly averse to town blocks so. Finding town reads to work with awesome yes, blocking without though hell no, it ruins games.

Maybe town: frogger slot, marquis, aeronaut, bbt, dgb

Maybe scum: hiplop, mario, pisskop (though I liked a couple of his posts.)

Rest of you I have no idea or they've blended into the pea soup. I need to go back and iso the people whom haven't left an impression or I just don't know. I have to get up in the morning for skating lessons so I need sleep, but my schedule should be under better control now and I'll be here regularly, so I'll start working on that tomorrow.

ciao ciao!

"hiplop, mario, pisskop"
seeing as you have reads i expect you to give reasons.

[MarioManiac4]

Mario who is scum

You can say that

You can sure use snark for someone who refuses to read my posts.

[MarioManiac4]

Okay yep, he did not drop his town tell in that game. I'm not sure that the conditions warranted it, but the absence of it even in the least suggests it still exists intact.

still like anxiety attack and spiffeh for my top town reads, town block hopping is yes heebie jeebies inducing but I'm particularly averse to town blocks so. Finding town reads to work with awesome yes, blocking without though hell no, it ruins games.

Maybe town: frogger slot, marquis, aeronaut, bbt, dgb

Maybe scum: hiplop, mario, pisskop (though I liked a couple of his posts.)

Rest of you I have no idea or they've blended into the pea soup. I need to go back and iso the people whom haven't left an impression or I just don't know. I have to get up in the morning for skating lessons so I need sleep, but my schedule should be under better control now and I'll be here regularly, so I'll start working on that tomorrow.

ciao ciao!

"hiplop, mario, pisskop"

seeing as you have reads

i expect you to give reasons.

BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP

[MarioManiac4]

That doesn't answer my question lol

no it doesn't.
you have asked a question i have answered to its full extent before. i hardly have an iso the size of the damn eiffel tower.

Pedit: nope. not really.
i really don't think i'm playing at all like mystery mansion.

[MarioManiac4]

ok I suck at day 1's and missing massive amounts of text to read.
anyone here right now?

[MarioManiac4]

vote: mm4

No.

[MarioManiac4]

I'm guessing I am

not

the one but I'm still going to ask for your case.

[MarioManiac4]

OK, going through the stuff after the TSO flip and showing it. I'm multiposting because that's how I roll.

Im glad we all wasted our time on that flip.

first of all?
I don't like this.
It's a "told you so" kind of thing. Like trying to fake fustrated but failing and sounding smug instead.

[MarioManiac4]

So pisskop.
You're saying "I WAS RIGHT" when I never said TSO was scum. I thought TSO would be a good IC. Don't use that card on me at least.
You're saying "u havent produced anything of note so far lol". But if you could quickly point me to a large game where I get deep into the game on D1 that'd be nice.
You're saying "they are high-teir give them a pass d1 but nobody else." Flip =/= lynch. All I have to say on the matter!

[MarioManiac4]

I have a townread on BBT because meta.

In all seriousness, the way pressure flows onto him seems strange, in a way I don't like. In both terms of the word. It feels like nobody is defending him yet the wagon is stillish; bark but without the bite. Not sure about reading BBT as in the posts themselves; I'd disagree that feeling weird is a scumtell for BBT

[MarioManiac4]

I'm so sorry everyone. I should have known that larges weren't for me but I was drawn by the playerlist... it's really hard to read everyone. I'll keep on trying but let me know if you want me to replace out.

[MarioManiac4]

I think the best option is to lynch BBT. I don't really see town!BBT doing this that much. I think it's WIFOM created to try and get a counterwagon started (BBT!scum would have to do something dramatic to not get lynched, as there are no other counterwagons really. I can see scum in his position going for the risk.)

[MarioManiac4]

Do you understand how long it takes to catch up on 20 pages? I've already been decided as today's lynch - just need votes.

like hell i do.
and i'm happy to provide soon, need to check it's not l1

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: BBT

Now

it's L1.

So NOBODY misses this, it's L1. Do not hammer unless that is your full intent.

[MarioManiac4]

I'd quite like to go for Awesome. For all the talk about "lynch bbt and we can flip tammyespe" there has been relatively little flipping tammyespe. And Awesome's reluctancy to vote BBT seems weird. Like Awesome WANTS to be lynched because they're the inactive goon and BBT's the roleblocker.
VOTE: Awesome
BTW, can we talk townreads because I have Aristo and I have Marquis and that's pretty much as far as it goes.

[MarioManiac4]

I don't see how lynches are being led without reasons. Or flips.
Makes me really sad.
BTW RC you tred me by the end of 1744 and I fooled you in 1725 I believe. so you don't really have a great record on ms and 20 minute games =/= three month games. Just saying.

[MarioManiac4]

you did not fool me in 1725.

I hadn't even read most of the game on D1 besides to establish that the current lynch was town.

"I townread MM4 if that means anything to anyone."- RC, in post #36 out of 40 in his ISO

[MarioManiac4]

I had barely read the game.

Hardly counts.

so you randomly decided to state a townread on someone with no indicator it was weak at all in one of your last posts even though you barely read the game
'kay.
and my other points still stand. you are going to need to give explanations and examples instead of just relying on "welp I'm RC."

[MarioManiac4]

there's a difference between saying that I 'townread someone for whta it's worth' when I've madei t abundantly clear that I'm not really paying attention to the game

and saying that someone is 100% confirmed scum and I'm going to be pissed as hell if you don't lynch them.

then proceeding to townread them in the graveyard. (or at least not put them in your scumteam)

[MarioManiac4]

my graveyard reads are bad because I stop reading the game.

doesn't change the fact you went back on that scumread though. which is weird since you were 100% sure and had no real variables to change.

[MarioManiac4]

by the time I post in GY I've forgotten most of what happened in the game and I'm just going off of who I want to be scum.

criticizing my graveyard reads when I called you out alive is just dumb.

doesn't change the fact you went back on that scumread though. which is weird since you were 100% sure and had no real variables to change.

To be honest? i had entirely forgotten that I had called you out as scum when dying or any of the reasons for it.

y r u arguing with me.

because we could flip goddamn scum and mafiaception this game and you're not helping
but i'm not sure you'd forget the principle of your whole final reads.

[MarioManiac4]

no. bad.

u r scum.

oh no i have been called scum without reasoning whatever shall i do
i know ill copy davsto

[MarioManiac4]

Elbirn what the hell.
1. RVS vote.
2. No it is not, I don't read Frogger incorrectly and this is exactly the same. How much have you played with frogger? Or are you just looking for crappy reasons to join the hot new wagon not realising nobody had reasons?
3. It's trying to explain my read on BBT and it does not defend him, i was trying to figure him out as the leading wagon.
4. Oh come on that's pure BS and you KNOW IT. IT'S KINDA COMMON PROTOCOL TO WARN PEOPLE THAT SOMEONE IS AT L-1 AND THEY NEED TO THINK BEFORE ENDING THE DAY.

Pedit: Nah. My point on awesome has been ignored.
So I'll repeat it here. People wagoned BBT on the deal they could colorflip Awesome tomorrow; so scum could have known BBT would be flipped the day after. Now everyone seems to have forgotten about that, unless I missed something

[MarioManiac4]

Wanna colour flip DGB and lynch Mario?

no.

[MarioManiac4]

If anyone listens to what I say after I flip, I suppose I'm all for it.
In the meantime;
VOTE: Awesome

[MarioManiac4]

Yeah, The first time I played with Mario scum, he was very lurky.

The other game, he was active but kind of all over the place and it was hard to figure out his read progression on anything.

I kind of get that vibe here where he pops in every once in awhile but doesn't have much to say, but mostly just kind of meh.

I don't really see any serious scumhunting and just by PoE I can at put him in the possible scum category.

~SW

yes i'm possible scum by poe. i can see that.
the flaw in your logic here is not looking at my towngames. especially large ones after september this year. because i think you might notice a pattern.

[MarioManiac4]

We are color flipping Mario

His immediate response to RC calling him scum was to discredit him.

Mario only voted BBT after BBT publicly gave up.

He is scum.

1. yes i did discredit rc.
what would you do if someone called you scum and claim they have very high accuracy at reading you, and you are town?

2. bbt didn't claim scum. and there were many people off the BBT wagon. INCLUDING AWESOME, THE FLIPPING COUNTERWAGON.

[MarioManiac4]

Elbirn what the hell.
1. RVS vote.
2. No it is not, I don't read Frogger incorrectly and this is exactly the same. How much have you played with frogger? Or are you just looking for crappy reasons to join the hot new wagon not realising nobody had reasons?
3. It's trying to explain my read on BBT and it does not defend him, i was trying to figure him out as the leading wagon.
4. Oh come on that's pure BS and you KNOW IT. IT'S KINDA COMMON PROTOCOL TO WARN PEOPLE THAT SOMEONE IS AT L-1 AND THEY NEED TO THINK BEFORE ENDING THE DAY.

1. Yeah and it's weird. You vote frogger for "buddying" bbt which makes him "obvscum". Why?

Regardless it's an interaction with flipped scum and telling me not to look at it because "it's just rvs" is doodie.

2. Hubris. It's a shit read with no real explanation, oh but I should buy it because "I don't read Frogger wrong" yeah okay buddy.

3. Explaining that you townread bbt and questioning his wagon is, in fact, defending him.

4. Yeah that was me being a little snarky. Your over reaction is fun though.



----

I promised I'd catch up and I lied. I'm still at page 35 and I'm really busy at work

But please guys talk more this game is stalling and it makes my heart sad

1. ummmmm are you kidding? i did that because it was rvs and i know frog. frogger was calling everton town and liverpool scum, and bbt is an everton fan.
2. its not just me. look at a frogger towngame and then look at a frogger scumgame.
3. i didnt explain i townread bbt.
4. no. that's you looking for random reasons to scumread me, because i am the current color bw of choice for many people.

[MarioManiac4]

And the way Mario continues to only address anything negative against him and nothing else makes me very confident he will be flipping red

i mean ive already said i have trouble getting reads from this game.
i think this will help me ease into the game. i think elbirn is looking for reasons to scumread me, SW is being town SW (i think) and rc is acting like arrogant town. i have awesome and aristophanes as reads too, so i'm hoping soon ill have more. :

[MarioManiac4]

oh hey I see that more people are going to lynch me with no reasons. no change there then.
meanwhile people are ignoring awesome who is objectively scummy. i wouldnt mind lynching DGB here.
I'm also willing to get colourflipped tomorrow if we could actually lynch scum.

"oh hey that flip was a lot shorter than mario's" that's because, well to quote marquis, that mario wagon is cancerous.
and believe me the advance was a lot slower than the espe wagon's. that recieved about, ummm, one vote.

[MarioManiac4]

Elbirn what the hell.
1. RVS vote.
2. No it is not, I don't read Frogger incorrectly and this is exactly the same. How much have you played with frogger? Or are you just looking for crappy reasons to join the hot new wagon not realising nobody had reasons?
3. It's trying to explain my read on BBT and it does not defend him, i was trying to figure him out as the leading wagon.
4. Oh come on that's pure BS and you KNOW IT. IT'S KINDA COMMON PROTOCOL TO WARN PEOPLE THAT SOMEONE IS AT L-1 AND THEY NEED TO THINK BEFORE ENDING THE DAY.

Pedit:

Nah. My point on awesome has been ignored.
So I'll repeat it here. People wagoned BBT on the deal they could colorflip Awesome tomorrow; so scum could have known BBT would be flipped the day after so it was better to just lynch him and save Tammyespe. Now everyone seems to have forgotten about that, unless I missed something

lilith, i was undecided at that point. i voted bbt because, as i posted, i thought scum would try something big in that scenario. they couldn't afford to just be casual.

[MarioManiac4]

What's the difference between lynching bbt to save awesome and lynching awesome to delay bbt's lynch?

after lynching bbt they could hold the tension in for awesome and push different wagons. it is unlikely they could do the same for awesome.
However, in this scenario scum don't have daychat and Awesome thinks they need to get lynched in order to save their roleblocker. that is why awesome does nothing to try and lynch their counterwagon.

make sense?

[MarioManiac4]

So are you/were you scumreading awesome?

yes, i think awesome is likely to be scum. the wagon and pressure on them flat-out dissapearing overnight is just inexcusable.
i also think elbirn is trying to make up reasons to scumread me.

[MarioManiac4]

no vote, mario?

also, name names. who are you accusing of deflating the awesomewagon momentum?

1. i dunno if i wanna vote Espe or elbirn.
2. there is no singular moment. i am accusing nobody in specific, because it literally just vanished overnight.
i guess anyone who created or hardpushed another wagon would technically count? imo it reflects badly on awesome mostly rather than anyone else.

[MarioManiac4]

There's a lot of people going "X is scum vote plz" but nobody seems able to articulate why. That may be a hint to stop, wait a minute, fill my cup, put some liquor in it.

Can someone, anyone, give me a "well zito my good man, X is scum cuz of these excellent reasons: A, B, C"

just give me something to work with here

anything

ilu?

well elbirn is making up reasons to scumread me?
and when one of his reasons is proved as blatant bs he says "nvm i was just being snarky"?

ALSO HOLY PEDITS

[MarioManiac4]

Ummm hi I'm on phone.
Just wondering... What if Marquis is scum whiteknighting me?

[MarioManiac4]

idk i still think of "nobody is defending mario but some people are attacking mario's attackers" as super encouraging

How? If people are attacking my attackers that doesn't mean they can't think my attackers are scummy.

[MarioManiac4]

BTW I really don't like people misrepping my point on Elbirn!

[MarioManiac4]

idk i still think of "nobody is defending mario but some people are attacking mario's attackers" as super encouraging

How? If people are attacking my attackers that doesn't mean they can't think my attackers are scummy.

do yooooOOOOOoou think your attackers are scummy?

BTW I really don't like people misrepping my point on Elbirn!

feel free to de-misrep then

Elbirn

making up reasons

to scumread me is a different reasons from "Elbirn is scumreading me."
Do I think my attackers are scummy? Not paticularly because, in part, there are so many of them. I don't get why though.

btw i am sick of people saying that my posts are scum with no reasons. a fos, sure. a full wagon with full intent to lynch? pls.

[MarioManiac4]

Hey spiff, I can confirm the ascetic part of the role for you, but you have to trust me because it does require telling us who you targeted.

On the bright side, I can't lie to fake disproving your role so it doesn't require you to trust me that much, more the person you neighbourised.

anxiety attack???

[MarioManiac4]

Hey spiff, I can confirm the ascetic part of the role for you, but you have to trust me because it does require telling us who you targeted.

On the bright side, I can't lie to fake disproving your role so it doesn't require you to trust me that much, more the person you neighbourised.

anxiety attack???

Henh?
Explain?

i may be understanding this wrong but anxiety attack outed that spiffeh neighboured them?

[MarioManiac4]

That's who he neighbourised yesterday, he neighbourises a different person each day, right? Something like that.

In theory, I shouldn't need to tell Spiff to trust me, because he

should

know what I'm talking about. Right, Spiffeh?

wait he only asceticizes for one day?

[MarioManiac4]

oh gg i cant read.
yeah spiffeh just needs to claim his target.

[MarioManiac4]

Hey spiff, I can confirm the ascetic part of the role for you, but you have to trust me because it does require telling us who you targeted.

On the bright side, I can't lie to fake disproving your role so it doesn't require you to trust me that much, more the person you neighbourised.

anxiety attack???

Henh?
Explain?

i may be understanding this wrong but anxiety attack outed that spiffeh neighboured them?

Yeah, I just.donr get how "I can help confirm, just trust."
Had anything to to either AA.

Obviously you get it please explain I guessm

basically, i thought davsto had a role which could confirm that spiffeh turns players ascetic. he asked who spiffeh was going to asceticize, and i said that anxiety had claimed that they were neighbourized.

[MarioManiac4]

Elbirn what the hell.
1. RVS vote.
2. No it is not, I don't read Frogger incorrectly and this is exactly the same. How much have you played with frogger? Or are you just looking for crappy reasons to join the hot new wagon not realising nobody had reasons?
3. It's trying to explain my read on BBT and it does not defend him, i was trying to figure him out as the leading wagon.
4. Oh come on that's pure BS and you KNOW IT. IT'S KINDA COMMON PROTOCOL TO WARN PEOPLE THAT SOMEONE IS AT L-1 AND THEY NEED TO THINK BEFORE ENDING THE DAY.

1. Yeah and it's weird. You vote frogger for "buddying" bbt which makes him "obvscum". Why?

Regardless it's an interaction with flipped scum and telling me not to look at it because "it's just rvs" is doodie.

2. Hubris. It's a shit read with no real explanation, oh but I should buy it because "I don't read Frogger wrong" yeah okay buddy.

3. Explaining that you townread bbt and questioning his wagon is, in fact, defending him.

4. Yeah that was me being a little snarky. Your over reaction is fun though.

this interaction lilith.

[MarioManiac4]

ummm hi im here.
i think scum might have driven the counterwagon to me because they really wanted one to happen. otherwise someone might have noticed? anyway the main point on me is one that ive already explained. I DO care about finding scum. But it's hard. You've got people like West who are just chasing endlessly and could be godfather, you've got people like Elbirn who are making up reasons to scumread me. Then you've got Awesome whose pressure has just disappeared overnight opportunistically.

And nobody wants to lynch them.

[MarioManiac4]

OK.

I wasn't there for that.
I wasn't a part of the shitty West9 flip either.

I want Mario, I wanted BBT.

Ignore everyone else and sheep me pls.

When I flip town please stop strongarming mislynches.

[MarioManiac4]

stop?

this is only the second lynch I've led and the first hit scum.

you led bbt? news to me. last time i checked marq did!
also im saying pls dont do this again to town because it gets kinda annoying.

[MarioManiac4]

ummm hi im here.
i think scum might have driven the counterwagon to me because they really wanted one to happen. otherwise someone might have noticed? anyway the main point on me is one that ive already explained. I DO care about finding scum. But it's hard. You've got people like West who are just chasing endlessly and could be godfather, you've got people like Elbirn who are making up reasons to scumread me. Then you've got Awesome whose pressure has just disappeared overnight opportunistically.

And nobody wants to lynch them.

Are these your reads?

no, they're flying elephants.

[MarioManiac4]

okay. Well mario isnt helping himself here

vote: mario

>no guys the mario lynch is bad but i cba to stop a townlynch
>ummm what people are voting me
>you idiots
>vote: mario, not helping himself here

[MarioManiac4]

is that sarcasm?

nailed the final two letters

pedit: there is no green text, there is only the light

[MarioManiac4]

oh sht im wrong on at least 2 if pisskop is scum right
ok well my best bet isn't west. if pisskop is scum i actually think the elbirn vote could be distancing but hey what do i know

pedit: i was being sarcastic. basically i thought my post was obviously reads and i sarcastically said they were flying elephants because... well... elephants dont fly.

[MarioManiac4]

Lucky you. I wasn't a PR. I

was

town though!
Also; my advice is this;

1. There is scum control in this town. You need to root this out first.
2. I reccomend flipping Marquis tommorow, and flip Awesome the next day if scum. If Marquis is blue I think Elbirn and Pisskop are the scum.
Judge West with your own eyes. Obviously that would have to wait until a real-flip.

I understand scumreading Aristophanes but I really do think Frog was town. Please think twice before flipping it?

[MarioManiac4]

Davsto, RC, spiff i know you guys are online, now would be a good time to post if you see this game. im not gonna be here forever.

[MarioManiac4]

Davsto, RC, spiff i know you guys are online, now would be a good time to post if you see this game. im not gonna be here forever.

You called?

Any questions or is this just general stuff?

I was wondering if you wanted to ask me anything before I died :shrug:
i mean i thought you would have but i kinda realise now you probably don't so