Trouble in The Cougar's Den (Game over!)

[LicketyQuickety]

You literally just sigged someone complimenting you and then called them town because you can't believe they would be so vocal about you being town as scum.

I'm not trying to be mean when I say this, I'm trying to be helpful to you - 1.) your play so far has not been stellar and you're not a threat to get wagons going. 2.) Scum will have no problem having you wrapped around their finger because your reads are easily manipulated. 3.) Good scum want people like you on their side. 4.) Take more of an aggressive/skeptical stance than the one you're currently taking.

1.) Right, cuz people know me by reputation and know I'm always wrong. Ask yourself if you can tell if I'm serious here or not.

2.) No, my reads change there's a difference. For example, I have you as Scum and I'm pretty much the only one saying that right now.

3.) No they don't because my Scum game is terrible.

4.) IDK maybe you can clear this one up for me a bit, but aggressive is usually is a sign of taking action while skeptical implies you are weighing your options.

So to conclude this very helpful tip: No one follows my lead because people can't track me so they have no idea if I am right or not, believe it or not I do have some reads of my own, Scum want to manipulate me and I am very aware of this fact and I'm brought it up before in this thread so this is nothing new, aggressive/skeptical sounds retarded.

[LicketyQuickety]

Anyway, VOTE: ReasonablyRational

K, so if you're wrong, what are you gunna do then?

[LicketyQuickety]

Anyway, VOTE: ReasonablyRational

K, so if you're wrong, what are you gunna do then?

I'll take up landscape painting.

OK, so what about in the game?

Honestly I think you are just looking for excuses to get your dick hard so you can attempt to stick it in my ass.

Its clear your a jerk and were prolly a bully in middle school who never quite reached full maturity.

[LicketyQuickety]

Fine, whatever. If the mod wants to modkill me its whatevs. Matt is clearly being a jerk and I don't like it.

[LicketyQuickety]

Fine, whatever. If the mod wants to modkill me its whatevs. Matt is clearly being a jerk and I don't like it.

1645 is not a good post.

Matts response to it was probably nicer than mine would have been.

Matt has not done a damn thing except go after RR this whole day over something that is not at all something that deserves a whole gameday devoted to it. His excuse for this is he only picks one lead at a time. That's pretty convenient that he has pretty much nothing to say on anything else this whole game. It's not even a rock solid case, it can't be proven or disproven and its largely based on circumstantial evidence.

[LicketyQuickety]

Did he claim yet?

He's no where near L-1 and is not claiming yet. That is an order from Town.

ew

Do you think that's a Scum post or something?

[LicketyQuickety]

Fine, whatever. If the mod wants to modkill me its whatevs. Matt is clearly being a jerk and I don't like it.

1645 is not a good post.

Matts response to it was probably nicer than mine would have been.

Matt has not done a damn thing except go after RR this whole day over something that is not at all something that deserves a whole gameday devoted to it. His excuse for this is he only picks one lead at a time. That's pretty convenient that he has pretty much nothing to say on anything else this whole game. It's not even a rock solid case, it can't be proven or disproven and its largely based on circumstantial evidence.

ok.

and?

I'm saying he's putting all his eggs in one basket and that's a terrible approach to the game. I have given a town read on someone before just because they did the same thing. But here's the thing, I think he's doing it on purpose. I think he may have found RR's crumb and is doing everything he can to get RR lynched because of it. This all assumes that RR is telling the truth about laying down a crumb, sure. So basically, if RR can prove he laid a believable crumb we have a new lynch candidate. If RR declines to provide the crumb then I'll be on board with lynching RR. It is beyond basic play to point out a crumb if you did it. Leaving a crumb is for exactly this kind of situation. Its possible that RR in desperation is saying he left a crumb that he didn't, granted. But if he did leave a crumb... ehhhh IDK, its looking pretty bad for Matt.

[LicketyQuickety]

ok.

and?

I'm saying he's putting all his eggs in one basket and that's a terrible approach to the game. I have given a town read on someone before just because they did the same thing. But here's the thing, I think he's doing it on purpose.

I think he may have found RR's crumb and is doing everything he can to get RR lynched because of it.

This makes less than 0 sense as a scum tactic just fyi.

OK, but you're going to have to spell it out for me because I'm not seeing how its a terribad play.

[LicketyQuickety]

Like literally if his role is strong enough that you want it out of the game, the last thing you would do as scum is hard push for his lynch and draw attention to it.

Errr.... Did you see the point that RR claimed the crumb? It was far after Matt was up to his neck in the push.

Anyways, its pointless talking about this now because there is not enough info for a conclusive result.

[LicketyQuickety]

image posting

[LicketyQuickety]

Errr... you said you crumbed on page 700? That's day 2, not day 1.

[LicketyQuickety]

I thought so...

[LicketyQuickety]

I thought you said you weren't going to interact with me for the rest of the game. What made you change your mind if you don't mind me asking?

[LicketyQuickety]

[LicketyQuickety]

I thought you said you weren't going to interact with me for the rest of the game. What made you change your mind if you don't mind me asking?

I don't want to get into this sort of back-and-forth anymore, I just want to play the game.

I think I would feel much better if you just ignored me TBQH. To keep it short, I have issues with you and I don't think I can interact with you without getting offended.

[LicketyQuickety]

I think I would feel much better if you just ignored me TBQH. To keep it short, I have issues with you and I don't think I can interact with you without getting offended.

I have issues with you too, but I'm not going to harm town if asking you a question would help me. Feel free not to answer!

My polite request was denied. I will have to explain myself more clearly this time.

I'm not going to lie. I have a somewhat fragile mind. I believe I touched on this earlier in the thread:

...

is there a reason you're really self-conscious?

Early years of trauma I suppose.

Now if you want, I can talk about those traumatic experiences here in the thread, but I really think that is unnecessary.

I was diagnosed with a sever mental illness in 2007 that effects .3% of the population so my brain works a little bit differently than most peoples. The plus side is that I have a very creative mind.

Now I know it might be a little ridiculous, but when I see you, Matt (and others), post in a way where you do not understand what I am saying for the sole purpose to say you do not understand I get a little self-conscious because all my life I have been misunderstood. I don't ask that you understand everything I say, that would be silly! I've heard enough people make comments about not understanding me to know that I have trouble with getting people to understand me. All I ask is that you be sensitive to the fact that it makes me feel uncomfortable when I feel people are taking jabs at the way by brain works.

Please, if you don't understand something I say and feel there may be something worth discussing in it, I just ask that you inquire about it in a kind way.

[LicketyQuickety]

@MOD

,

VC please.

[LicketyQuickety]

Can someone tell me what the vote count is?

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE COUNT

Botlane (1): Spiffeh
Firebringer (1): Heartless
HerryPanther (1): MattP
LicketyQuickety (1): Reasonably Rational
MonkeyMan576 (2): pisskop, BotLane
pisskop (1): LicketyQuickety
Reasonably Rational (5): Cephrir, Firebringer, PeregrineV, MonkeyMan576, Kthxbye
Teridax (1): Vedith
Vedith (2): Teridax, HerryPanther
Not voting (2): davesaz, TheWayItEnds

With

17

players alive, it takes

9

votes to lynch.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2015-11-07 10:39:49).

Checking for prods.

K, NVM, I found it.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: RR

[LicketyQuickety]

K,

UNVOTE:

[LicketyQuickety]

Would you guys like it if I replaced?

[LicketyQuickety]

Would you guys like it if I replaced?

No one said anything to you?

What do you mean?

[LicketyQuickety]

What do you mean?

I don't understand why you said that comment without anyone saying anything to you?

I'm feeling in over my head is all.

[LicketyQuickety]

I have no new info at my disposal. I think RR is a good lynch even though it proves nothing.

[LicketyQuickety]

Matt, you have knowledge of the setup. do you think doing mass claim day one is a good idea?

[LicketyQuickety]

Matt, you have knowledge of the setup. do you think doing mass claim day one is a good idea?

Day 2. Sorry for that.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: Vedith

[LicketyQuickety]

Listen if we are going to lynch Vedith we need to figure out who he should venge kill.

It will be Lickety.

Why?

[LicketyQuickety]

Vedith, I think you are a good lynch. I don't believe your claim.

Why are you Town?

[LicketyQuickety]

I don't like the case on RR. Its looks completely made up. I doubt 25% of it is true.

[LicketyQuickety]

if its made up why arent you voting for people voting him? i.e. peri?

Because I don't have any Town reads and Vedith seems the scummiest.

[LicketyQuickety]

Yeah LQ didn't you just vote RR

That was a long time ago.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: RR

Yeah, this was a long time ago...

Thanks for proving my point, Scum.

[LicketyQuickety]

if its made up why arent you voting for people voting him? i.e. peri?

Because I don't have any Town reads and Vedith seems the scummiest.

perhps a breif read of the game would help.

I have probably read less than Pisskop in this game TBH.

[LicketyQuickety]

Proving your point how?
You said it was a long time ago... It was like an hour ago?

I checked the timestamp, It was an hour ago.

[LicketyQuickety]

Does your role PM say that specifically?

thats not how vengeful normally works

It works that way more often than you might think.

[LicketyQuickety]

I checked the timestamp, It was an hour ago.

So how was that ages ago?

OK, I know you think I'm Scum.

[LicketyQuickety]

Vedith, I think you are a good lynch. I don't believe your claim.

Why are you Town?

Why not?

Because his Scum hunting is fake.

[LicketyQuickety]

Come on lets lynch MonkeyMan.

Everyone hop on the new and cool wagon.

MM is a bad wagon.

[LicketyQuickety]

Vedith, I think you are a good lynch. I don't believe your claim.

Why are you Town?

Why not?

Because his Scum hunting is fake.

Actually, since he is town, his scum hunting is real.
Besides, you just said you haven't read the game, so not sure what any of this is based on.

Its not based on much I will admit.

[LicketyQuickety]

hey guys

someone is still a dirty rotten scumbag
i'll give you a hint. his name starts with "fire" and ends with "bringer"

plz tell me if you give up and want me to tell you who it is. i bet you'll never guess.

Its got to be Firebringer.

[LicketyQuickety]

I now think Vedith is town

RR I'm not interested in today

VOTE: LicketyQuickety

OK, you have a good reason for your vote I can tell.

[LicketyQuickety]

This game is great!

[LicketyQuickety]

Good job Town, I think we're going to Lynch Scum today!

[LicketyQuickety]

@Matt, I have no idea why you want to lynch me all of the sudden.

[LicketyQuickety]

@Matt, I have no idea why you want to lynch me all of the sudden.

I just quoted my reason

And they are terrible reasons too.

[LicketyQuickety]

Like just telling me it's terrible isn't going to help me see differently

I think you're wrong in a big way.

[LicketyQuickety]

There's a huge inconsistency in your posts I quoted and you're not providing any explanation

Not True.

[LicketyQuickety]

Can we lynch Botlane now?

I don't see it.

[LicketyQuickety]

[LicketyQuickety]

@Matt, I'm telling the truth to you, but I'm also lying. It's not a matter of wrapping you head around it, it just is.

[LicketyQuickety]

I was playing the opposite game because it was looking like anything I did, people were doing the opposite of.

[LicketyQuickety]

I was playing the opposite game because it was looking like anything I did, people were doing the opposite of.

This is why you voted RR?

No, its why I voted Vedith. RR need's to be lynched asap.

[LicketyQuickety]

@Matt, I'm telling the truth to you, but I'm also lying. It's not a matter of wrapping you head around it, it just is.

what the hell

I was cracking up. I thought everyone was deliberately doing the opposite of what I wanted so I tried to do the opposite of what I wanted so what I wanted would get done.

[LicketyQuickety]

Why are you messing with me? Am I really that intolerable?

That's pretty much how I feel.

[LicketyQuickety]

I was playing the opposite game because it was looking like anything I did, people were doing the opposite of.

This is why you voted RR?

No, its why I voted Vedith. RR need's to be lynched asap.

What changed between this moment, and earlier when you believed the case was all made up? Do you believe the case now, or do you feel we need to be lynched ASAP for some new reason? Share?

-Cerb

I believe the case against you. You're claim is all shoots and ladders.

[LicketyQuickety]

I was playing the opposite game because it was looking like anything I did, people were doing the opposite of.

This is why you voted RR?

No, its why I voted Vedith. RR need's to be lynched asap.

What changed between this moment, and earlier when you believed the case was all made up? Do you believe the case now, or do you feel we need to be lynched ASAP for some new reason? Share?

-Cerb

I believe the case against you. You're claim is all shoots and ladders.

Those are different things. You believe the original case MattP made, AND you disbelieve our claim, or what?

-Cerb

Here, I'll point a post out that should clear things up:

Fine, whatever. If the mod wants to modkill me its whatevs. Matt is clearly being a jerk and I don't like it.

1645 is not a good post.

Matts response to it was probably nicer than mine would have been.

Matt has not done a damn thing except go after RR this whole day over something that is not at all something that deserves a whole gameday devoted to it. His excuse for this is he only picks one lead at a time. That's pretty convenient that he has pretty much nothing to say on anything else this whole game. It's not even a rock solid case, it can't be proven or disproven and its largely based on circumstantial evidence.

ok.

and?

I'm saying he's putting all his eggs in one basket and that's a terrible approach to the game. I have given a town read on someone before just because they did the same thing. But here's the thing, I think he's doing it on purpose. I think he may have found RR's crumb and is doing everything he can to get RR lynched because of it. This all assumes that RR is telling the truth about laying down a crumb, sure. So basically, if RR can prove he laid a believable crumb we have a new lynch candidate. If RR declines to provide the crumb then I'll be on board with lynching RR. It is beyond basic play to point out a crumb if you did it. Leaving a crumb is for exactly this kind of situation. Its possible that RR in desperation is saying he left a crumb that he didn't, granted. But if he did leave a crumb... ehhhh IDK, its looking pretty bad for Matt.

I was clear here that if the claim looked bogus, I would not at all be opposed to an RR lynch.

[LicketyQuickety]

Like, is the problem seriously that you, MattP, don't believe that I would ask the mod for clarification how my role function when received, and then ask a specific question when new information becomes available?

Just so I know that I'm arguing with nonsense, so I can stop wasting my limited time refuting the incorrect conclusions others lack of reading comprehension and/or confbiasing are leading them to.

-Cerb

OK, maybe this is a stupid question, but how do you not know how BP works?

[LicketyQuickety]

This is what

should

have happened with the claim/crumb:

"You're Scum"

"I crumbed"

"where?"

"here"

"OK, you are not CC so you can live"

Does anyone else not see this?

[LicketyQuickety]

I support the RR wagon.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: RR

[LicketyQuickety]

WTH!

Was that really a MM hammer?


upload a gif

[LicketyQuickety]

So yeah i'm drunk right now

Super confused about that MM claim, never even played a game with a miller before, but yeah I don't even know what a "one shot role cop" means. Could someone explain? Does that mean they have protect from one shot or they can use their cop power one time?

AMA, I really haven't done much this game but I want to try harder tomorrow

-herr

I think at this point it means the claim is fake because MM should know you claim miller day 1.

[LicketyQuickety]

Who is herrcombs?

Harry

[LicketyQuickety]

If I'm town info role getting lynched with results I make damn sure my results are out there first chance I get.

Cept he's one shot, so he doesn't need to claim that he investigated anyone.

[LicketyQuickety]

One shot means he can only investigate once, or what?

Like, he didn't claim miller D1 so there's a chance he was lying low to get a good role cop out of it. If he claims, he's pretty much confirmed town and will be NK early in the game, likely N1.

[LicketyQuickety]

Lol @ MM being a night kill

I said there is a chance, I didn't say it was likely. If he's 1-shot RC with Miller, its not a bad play to try and wait to claim to get a better chance at a good RC result. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying it means MM has to be town here and the claim was a real one, just pointing out an alternate strategy for that role.

[LicketyQuickety]

I just can't believe you would be that much of an asshole to completely make the whole things up.

Yeah, I fully believe every word I say about people in games my alignment regardless.

Though fair warning, you posting this made me remember the last time I defended someone who I saw similarities to me in.

That player was, ironically enough, my dearly departed hydra partner vezokpiraka, but...the game I did this in was Left 4 Dead.
As in, one of my top three (in)famous scumgames of all time.

So, uh.

Yeah, me defending you like that...

probably

not a towntell.

K, well... like, how am I suppose to sort you? You've given self meta and that's really the only thing I am using to read you at this point. I will say because you are making bold stances that that is usually and indication of town thinking, but with you I really don't know because that tell is usually reserved for players who are relatively new to this game and you're not exactly a new player. That makes things pretty confusing for me I'm not going to lie.

Just following the train of thought: mastin makes obvious newb town tell>mastin is not new>why is mastin making newb town tells>I'm so utterly confused by all of this.

[LicketyQuickety]

Just who did you target

Was your result indicative at all of alignment

K, like MM has a point and if its a PT they investigated its prolly a bad idea to press the shots reveal.

[LicketyQuickety]

MM saying who he targeted isn't going to reveal the role of that person? They could be VT or PR

OK, good point.

MM, who did you target?

[LicketyQuickety]

I targeted rr.

LOL, this game. OK, go ahead what's his role?

[LicketyQuickety]

Reminder that even if MM were rolecop (regardless of alignment) and confirmed RR as BP, that doesn't mean anything for RR's alignment.
No reason MM can't be scum rolecop trying to muddy the waters. And in fact if he's scum rolecop and scum don't have daychat this would be the only way to confirm it for them.

This is exactly why I like you for town this game... its very similar to the kinds of posts you made in DSN.

[LicketyQuickety]

I demand to be green'd

We should start a club Spiffeh, one where we are all Town read.

[LicketyQuickety]

This is going to be a long thread game.

[LicketyQuickety]

OK, time to look at who mastin had as Scum

[LicketyQuickety]

Also how do the kills imply SK?

IDK about you, but when I am vig I wait till I think I am actually hitting Scum.

[LicketyQuickety]

Cool wagon.

VOTE: LicketyQuickety

Still waiting for reasons I am Scum...

[LicketyQuickety]

FB want some towncred?

Vote Ank.

I want town cred.

VOTE: botlane

[LicketyQuickety]

As much as I don't want to lynch Vedith while he's being a stubborn fuck about his target, the more he is a stubborn fuck about his target the more I think he's scum.

How am I being stubborn about my target? XD
I haven't out right refused to cooperate with town...

You know you're in a bad way with Town when you have to default to saying you are not out right refusing to cooperate with Town.

Die Scum.

[LicketyQuickety]

Well, I'm rather pleased that I had a hand in the lynches of two scum, but I'm well aware that I haven't been incredibly active throughout the game and I plan on remedying that starting tomorrow.

97 page reread

. Woo. Hoping to iron down some reads and get back in sync with my hydra partner and the rest of the game.

-Herr

Yo crazy.

[LicketyQuickety]

As much as I don't want to lynch Vedith while he's being a stubborn fuck about his target, the more he is a stubborn fuck about his target the more I think he's scum.

How am I being stubborn about my target? XD
I haven't out right refused to cooperate with town...

You know you're in a bad way with Town when you have to default to saying you are not out right refusing to cooperate with Town.

Die Scum.

Anyone reading Lickety as town please explain why again.
I mean, what has he really done apart from fuck all?

I made a case against MM that I couldn't explain why it made him Scum.

[LicketyQuickety]

I made a case against MM that I couldn't explain why it made him Scum.

And that makes you town how?
I wanted to vote him off day 1, but that doesn't give any alignment indication.

Well, you asked and I gave evidence. Don't know what more you want.

[LicketyQuickety]

You didn't give evidence...

I think this is where we have the context conversation.

[LicketyQuickety]

Clearly town
davesaz
Heartless
Cephrir
MattP
LicketyQuickety

Not really sure / can't remember what I'm thinking
pisskop
Firebringer
HerryPanther
Spiffeh
TheWayItEnds
Kthxbye

Scum reads (least to most)
Ankamius
Vedith
Reasonably Rational

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Ankamius - Weakest scum read. Based on some vote analysis and a remembered feeling of insecurity from some of the slot's posts. Later posting might override this, though I don't do that lightly.

Vedith - This is based almost entirely on the very bad claim, in particular claiming the detailed variant. Also I don't remember seeing any comments showing town motivation in how to use the role.

Reasonably Rational - Also based on the claim but to a lesser degree. The Drixx posting reminds me more of a game where he was scum than games where he was town. The posts seem scripted to look town. Much better fit for a SK role than groupscum due to VCA, though I can buy the VCA in terms of bussing as well. The Drixx scum game I'm comparing to featured some really hardcore bussing.

pedit: I know my post took a long time to write, but didn't expect so much activity this late at night my time.

I'm debating if this list is just popular opinion/what people want to hear.

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm going to be pissed of Vedith turns out Town.

[LicketyQuickety]

@LQ: Dude, I'm falling asleep at my computer to follow through on a comittment. Every word of it is what I think. I didn't even do any re-reading, I typed the whole damn thing from my memory of what I've been thinking about the game.

I know your sentiments, believe me.

I know cuz I'm drunk \o/

[LicketyQuickety]

I like matt, but don't know if he is Town... Hmmmm....

[LicketyQuickety]

I wouldn't mind flipping RR at all. Can we do that?

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm also cool lynching Dave, so...

VOTE: Dave

[LicketyQuickety]

I seriously think Vedith is town

i seriously think you're wrong

and we're not friend anymore.

Face it, you read me wrong every game.

Cool, so you've never been on a scum team with them. That's something. Tho I guess it means you share some experience together and I don't know that people always get it wrong, so there's also that.... Hmmm.

[LicketyQuickety]

Cool, so you've never been on a scum team with them. That's something. Tho I guess it means you share some experience together and I don't know that people always get it wrong, so there's also that.... Hmmm.

I haven't been scum with them in a game at all.
But every game they want me lynched. xD

Than you must be doing something right.. or completely wrong... one of the two.

[LicketyQuickety]

Kthx, I went over some posts I pastly (is that a word???) thought were good posts by dave only to discover they were quite unlikely.

[LicketyQuickety]

I think we have enough to flip Vedith.

[LicketyQuickety]

Going to reread that last 30 pages.

[LicketyQuickety]

No. If he is venge, its LQ....I could prolly also go for Spiff. I dont like his latest, but I dont like LQs recent 'lets flip ved' with no bote attached. If I had to guess, Ved is in fact venge and LQ is scum based on last 2 pages.

Based on the last two pages.... lel.... not seriously, that is funny.

[LicketyQuickety]

Vedith is Town because Spiffeh said earlier that they are scum and I am Scum reading Spiffeh HARD!

[LicketyQuickety]

Psssshhhhhh.... Fucking lynch me then.

I said I found something on Spiffeh and all the sudden there is a push on my for my lynch. Well here is my response:



AND, so so far the case on me has been crap and people want to lynch me. I'll just say let it be and rub it in yo face when the games over.

[LicketyQuickety]

Basically Spiffeh is all bark no bite. They have said just enough and appeared to have scum hunted just enough for them to not be accused of being Scum. But they have not really made a single push on anyone and only voted performer and MM after it was very clear that there was no chance they were not getting lynched.

[LicketyQuickety]

I dont really care. Neither Lickety nor Spiff are in my solid townread section. We can venge him too.

This is a terrible attitude to have.

[LicketyQuickety]

Fyi, I never actually look at any of the videos you post. What have you found about Spiffeh? Are you suggesting that the people pushing for your lynch now are scum?

-Cerb

Pedit: ninjad. I haven't been through spiffeh stuff yet but from what I recall what you're saying IS correct, but it's not alignment indicative in and of itself. Any specific examples of things you found scummy?

Well, lurking the whole game isn't exactly alignment indicative either, but its pretty good evidence that they are Scum so that's kinda my outlook on Spiffeh.

[LicketyQuickety]

Lickety where did this sudden scum read of me come from?

When I started rereading the past 30 pages.

[LicketyQuickety]

vote vedith or we're lynching you today.

This.

Vote: Lickety

Umm, why the assumption that mastin wasn't the mafia kill?

because she wasnt.

This is stupid. Since when has giving a person an ultimatum ever helped sorted anyone?

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm Town, so you are all wasting a mis-lynch.

[LicketyQuickety]

Why do I feel like I am being lynched not necessarily because people think I am Scum?

[LicketyQuickety]

Lickety where did this sudden scum read of me come from?

When I started rereading the past 30 pages.

Could you at least go more in depth about it?

Its still gut at this point. I gave some reasons I picked up why Spiffeh is Scum. Go read those.

[LicketyQuickety]

Nah. I believe in Policy and Policy is found in me.

We said we would, to not is to reneg.

Who is we? Was it unanymous? Cuz I don't think it was.

[LicketyQuickety]

Hey, it sucks when you don't comply with town because you're scum.

Lel... As far as I can tell it is not a town block telling me what to do, so there's that.

[LicketyQuickety]

Yes I meant Ved.

LQ, u will vote Ved. Ved, I'd like ypu to veng kill LQ. I'm on phone so I can't qupte, bit you call LQ scum for what he said yet cuz heart wants the venge kill on LQ you won't do it? Explain this pls

If someone can explain how it makes any sense why I would vote vedith so I can be veng killed that would be great.

Why do I feel like I am being lynched not necessarily because people think I am Scum?

You have a conveniently timed "town read" on Vedith once we actually talk about going through with the lynch and it looks like you're not voting him because you're afraid of a vengekill.

Do you have an explanation for this?

^this

I gave my reason. given the context of the thread where I was reading it I have a very strong feeling that 1.) Spiffeh is Scum and Spiffeh said Vedith was Scum so 2.) Vedith is Town.

[LicketyQuickety]

Hi, I'm town. What you about you guys?

Sorry but my motivation has been crap lately.

[LicketyQuickety]

It lets people know I don't care about dying.

[LicketyQuickety]

Then maybe you should vote vedith.

Why? I don't think he is Scum.

[LicketyQuickety]

Quit being dumb Vedith.

[LicketyQuickety]

Is there any particular reason why Vedith is off the table?

From what I remember RR's claim was really atrocious for reasons Peregrine outlined but I have read approximately 0 of their posts in the last 20 pages so I need to do that before I vote for them.

K, just putting this here.

[LicketyQuickety]

Tell me who has asked you to vote Vedi that you don't townread?

I have no idea actually.

[LicketyQuickety]

LQ, can you explain the process that lead you to conclude Vedith=town. I'll grant you that if you believe ved is town, then you would believe his claim, so that change kinda all flows together(I'd need to go back and see the exact timeline of when each of these concerns are mentioned to see if that actually makes sense), but I still don't follow how spiffeh is town in 1273 and scum now, mostly because you haven't actually said anything. What is it about your reread of the latter half of the game that made you think he was scum now? Also, I really don't like how you go from making a case against MM(I think someone mentioned this earlier, I don't know) to thinking he was a bad wagon, without actually giving a reason for it.

-Cerb

OK, so first my read on Spiffeh. When I first read the thread, I thought what Spiffeh "noticed" was just plain bad. I get that he likes to try and pick up stuff that is not obvious, but it looked really fishy to me and I was Scum reading him at that time. Over time I started to see a lot of normal posts by Spiffeh and that was the reason for the Town read. Then, in all honestly, I completely lost track of Spiffeh and he was just sorta there. It wasn't until I saw a comment he made that was like "I reaaallllllly don't like this MM wagon" or something like that that really raised an eyebrow. Then I was looking at the context of the discussion and what Spiffeh had to say and I just felt something was really off. Like he knew he was in no danger of getting lynched so he was just saying stuff to look busy. It was posts like the one where he defends MM and says "what about Vedith" that I think is him trying to subtly influence towns perspective through the power of suggestion.

As for Vedith, its just too stupid of a play for him to want to veng me. I mean at that time like more than half the players were giving me some pretty good credit for me being Town. I just don't see Vedith being this open and forthwith saying he will veng kill me upon my death. Most the game cannot follow my reasoning and Vedith knows this. Why veng kill someone who has no credibility unless you think they are Scum?

And I was never opposed to the MM lynch, but I'll admit I was nervous about it. I made a post here:

WTH!

Was that really a MM hammer?


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This illustrates what I was feeling about what I thought at the time was the hammer.

If you think it looks like in this post that I was opposed to the MM lynch, think again.

[LicketyQuickety]

VOTE: Ank

[LicketyQuickety]

Lickety how is me thinking Ank is scum not stopping you from voting him when the whole reason you wouldn't vote for Vedith was because I thought he was scum?

I'm making a compromise.

[LicketyQuickety]

Conveniently on the wagon of the person who DOESN'T have a venge kill I see.

Just stop. For every Scum I think is on the Ank there are three Town reads.

[LicketyQuickety]

So... I'm Scum for changing my stance? You think it is some sort of elaborate plan by Spiffeh and myself pulling off the distancing act of the game in these posts, is that what I'm getting?

[LicketyQuickety]

Well,

That's good news.

[LicketyQuickety]

Town will likely win this game so I don't see a problem with my lynch.

[LicketyQuickety]

You'd be ok with being lynched, but not ok with a venge? Or just a change of heart?

I've been having weird moods lately and its affecting my judgement.

[LicketyQuickety]

I've got to stop coming up with reasons that people are scum that no one gets..

[LicketyQuickety]

Hey everyone! So there were several things I planned to address on n1 in-team, for what I thought should be done going forward. Town got super lucky in ika quick-hammering me. I was almost 100% sure I couldn't be lynched regardless of what was occurring on d1, due to the playstyles I planned for this particular game since I was scum.
I chose those playstyles for good reason and even had my own plans to talk in the scum chat, to coordinate plans and code words when talking in the forum in day time. Unfortunately I got quick hammered. With ika, L-1 is typically auto hammer.

Anyway, was an interesting game to read. I really dislike how Monk acted as scum this game. I like how Reasonably and BotLane tried keeping the remaining scum afloat, lol.
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Below was what I planned to chat about on n1, in the scum PT:

In-team topics:
Monk, can you be a little more active? You’re rousing way too much suspicion. There are many times that I thought you’d be quick lynched.

Do you guys have plans going forward? If so, I’d like to hear them so I know how to secretly work with you guys in the public thread (like mislynching high-priority targets, etc).

I’m also curious what goals you guys have. Like priorities (bussing one of us over another), or whatever else you guys are driving toward. Personally I’m against bussing because we’re already outnumbered as the scum.

I think I’m able to handle davesaz, ika, Vedith, HerryPanther (mainly because I’m familiar with PantherPunt). Maxous I know, is a strong town player from another game I played with him.

Future days:
I believe Heartless/Ceph need to be stopped tonight, in that order. I’m familiar with Heart’s playstyle and agree with you guys that the Antihero half of that hydra, is very risky to leave alive. Ceph is mirroring him and they’re townreading each other – maybe those two are Masons or at the least, they’re familiar with one another.

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Anyway, Ceph's post 2378 cleanly summed up what the scum team thought the majority of the game.

It seems to me that this scumteam has a clear MO, and it's a crippling fear of doctors. This is twice they've hit low-impact obvtown players.

I think it is safe to say the scum either lack daytalk, lack coordination, or are extremely bad. There is no weirdest claim contest, guys.

I don't think BotLane or MonkeyMan like playing as scum either.

Glad to see your thoughts on the game and reading the rest of it.

[LicketyQuickety]

I hate playing Scum. My push on MM is exactly why. I do that shit all the time and it drives me crazy.