Royal Family Mafia - Game Over!

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I HAVE REPLACETH'D. Finals are over, I will re-read and post.

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I had a really long response typed up, with PBP analysis and all, I lost it by closing the window like a moron...

Here is, however, something to discuss while I go about reputting the case together:

UNVOTE, VOTE ETHER

About 78.4664646% sure she's scum.

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Look how she sat on the fence against luckay luck still attacking him, while still poisoning the well against everyone else on the wagon.

That is where I first began to suspect her.

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I will be out of town this weekend.

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Does Pooky need replacin?

I need more reason to suspect CES or STD, if that's where people are pointing. Please give me post numbers if possible, as neither seemed terribly scummy in my read. GOd I hate replacing.

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I'm leaning more towards STD than CES right now.

Anyone feel like convincing me otherwise?

Unvote, Vote: CES

Trust Sarc.

Man. If anyone else besides you had made this post, I wouldn't have listened.

VOTE: CES

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I'm BMQ? I'll take that as a compliment.

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Explain that comment? GOSH I hate replacing.

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Um...TS...What are you talking about? Scum distancing from me? By your posted analysis (i am too lazy to go do my own right now.) there has been one vote on me total. HARDLY a statistically significant sampling. That vote was also on d1, which makes it even less likely to mean anything. I hardly think one random vote, which happened to be on scum, on d1, is even close to evidence that scum have been distancing from me.

Bogres own voting patterns can't be read as a scum pattern either, as he stays off both scum and town wagons with one exception in 6 days. That is not the play of a scum player OR a town player, that is the play of a player who is not really playing the game. He needed to be replaced, not voted. That happened.

The HH case I could maybe see as well, but not at all from the distancing part, because the same logic holds true: One player, on day one, does not equal scum distancing. Not in this game, not in any game. Your analysis on this is just silly.

A much more compelling reason to vote for HH, I think, which you don't even mention as a possible justification, is the fact that he has been jumping onto bandwagons late the whole game. This is scummy. Saying scum are distancing from him is, however, preposterous.

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Oh. I get it. The jail means they can't be lynched. I didn't pick that up on my first readthrough. You wanted to lynch HH yesterday, but couldnt because he was jailed. I GET IT NOW.

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Yeah, I can concede that, but at the point which you have to also concede that scum are just as likely to vote completely randomly, or off arbitrary things on d1 (I know that whenever I am scum, I do not distance d1) then you really can't derive much meaning from one day1 scum vote,

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I was reading TS's analysis posted in thread, which says that you jumped onto several BWs late. I stated explicitly in my post that I was not going to do my own analysis, so if you have a problem with the conclusions I drew, attack her for faulty information, not me for interpreting it correctly.

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I keep seeing my name mentioned as "in the scum list." And no one can tell me why. The only thing that I have heard is from TS, which I have shown to be completely ridiculous in terms of reasons to vote. Will someone please tell me what my predecessor did that was so scummy?

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TSS, you've voted me, you've made vague allusions to the fact that Sarc is scum, you said ether could be scum, and now you vote StD. It seems a lot like you're trying to throw as much suspicion out as possible to see which of it sticks.

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HH, what the hell? That post isn't even close to logical for several reasons.

1) You make the comment earlier of what a dire situation the town is in currently (7 alive, assuming 2 scum) You even MENTION the fact that a misslynch puts the town at lynch -1, and yet you want to waste one of the towns only 2 garenteed lynched on lynch of a person who you can't get a read on so you therefore have no idea if they are scum or not? Sounds good to me...

2) Even IF we're going on with your plan, assuming that the massive wholes in mafia strategy do not exist, I am not even close to the best player in this game. I would rate StD, Thok, and TSS all above me, at the very least. The fact that you focus on me when there are obviously better players in the game is odd. It's like you think I wont fight back as much.

pretty sure theres no way I could not

vote hackerhuck

at this point.

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I was confusing you with someone else, my apologies.

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Can we please have thok prodded and/or replaced if need be.

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Your last post was 11 days ago. How is that roll eye worthy?

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Why?

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Um...You are being MORE than a little over defensive.

All four of those people posted a mere 4 days ago, whereas you posted 11. Thats not even close. Those people have all commented on recent goings on. You have not.

Why would I say we needed more activity in the thread when what I wanted to do was get you posting. My object was not to pressure you, but to get uyou posting. Obviously, I have done that, although the fact that you have gone on a multiple post rant instead of saying something like "oops forgot the thread, heres what I think." is speaking volumes to me right now.

I think you're trying to not have to comment on HH's post. So MAJOR

FOSthok

for that.

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Thok: You're being thick. Over defensive means you are responding to a point in a manner which is completely blowing out of proportion the original post. I asked you to be PRODDED. That is not an attack, nor is it an abnormal course of action for someone to take regarding someone who has not posted in 11 days. The fact that you have went on a multiple post tirade about the fact that I asked you to be prodded when it was PERFECTLY justified is not only just about the MOST over defensive thing I have seen on MS, but it is also fairly absurd.

Second...What the hell? Thok, that's not what his post says AT ALL. His post says "I have no reason to think TSQ is scum, but he should be lynched because I have difficulty getting a read on him."

Yes, it would be true that if there were little to go on, it might be a good thing to base a wagon on, but that is NOT TRUE of this scenario. This is DAY 7, and there are 61 fucking pages of information.

Yes, it would be true that if there were reasons to suspect everyone else were town, it would not be a bad basis for a lynch, BUT THAT IS NOT TRUE EITHER. There is a legitimate ammount of suspicion on at least 4 people.

Just because you can bring up a scenario where what he said might be a good idea, does not mean that it IS CURRENTLY. In endgame, with 4 people alive and 1 scum, I could say it is a good idea to no lynch, and that is correct, but if someone were to uggest it today, it would be highly suspect.

Furthermore, it is not so much WHAT he suggested even, as HOW he said it. He warned the town about the dire situation, and said that a misslynch would put the town at LOL. HE THEN SUGGESTED THE TOWN LYNCH SOMEONE THAT HE COULD NOT BE ANY BETTER THAN 50-50 ON. Since scum represents 2/7 of town (assumable from setup) firing blindly has a MUCH higher chance of losing the town the game than it does of winning the game. The fact that he warned the town of a misslynch, and then suggested a strategy which is more likely to bring about one than not is not only dumb, but is highly scummy.

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Heh....

Several things:

1) Dropping the prod argument. Its superfluous, and the town can read into it what they will at this point.

2) 11 posts in 56 pages in NOT a mark of being scummy, it is a mark of needing replacement. SORELY. I have NEVER seen scum lurk that badly on purpose. If you could post me an example of when they did, I would be happy to entertain the possibility that painting a target on ones chest is a scum tell.

3) An attack on a player that is attacking you is OMGUS in one and only one circumstance, and that is where you vote them for finding you suspicious. Or more simply, Vote them or FOS them BECAUSE they voted or FOSed you. It is reactionary voting.

Happening to vote for a person who wants you lynched is NOT OMGUS if their reasoning, and motives appear to be scummy. To say that I am being OMGUSy about HHs suggestion which gives the town a MUCH higher % chance to lose the game than win is just being silly.

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Of sarc, that's expected, but I expect more of you than "interesting," Jeff.

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Std, you ignored me, friend.

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TS, please comment on HH.

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Jeez. I am actually shocked that people think that putting forth a plan which is OBVIOUSLY more likely to lose the town the game than win it is not scummy...

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fos: TS

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My list:

HH
thok
TS

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vote: TS

You've just been flying around to whatever lynch you think is the one most likely to happen this ENTIRE game. As much as thok peaked my scumdar with his outburst about asking for a prod, thats not a scumtell in the true sense of the word.

If I had my absolute druthers, we would be lynching HH today, but as is it does not appear likely that we will, I am more than happy voting for a person who has today alone,

1) Pressured a player for no apparent reason, attacked him for asking why, and then accused him of a phantom appeal to emotion when he sarcastically said that not revealing reasons was bad.

2) Made statements to the effect of "I'm happy with my vote." and then when pressured revealed that her reason to vote was nothing more than the player failing to give her a reason NOT to vote.

3) Voted for EVERY player who had even a LITTLE momentum towards their lynch. Literally. She's been on me, She's been on STD, she's been on HH, and now she's focused on thok. Its pretty apparent she's just trying to get a lynch to happen, and does not care very much which one.

4) Fabricated evidence. I've went through the analysis she provided on each players voting habits...See, it bugged me that she stopped pushing it so soon, and low and behold, most of it is NOT TRUE. Read it yourself

5) Lastly, the timing of this disturbs me. Look at the lists which came before her. They all list thok as high up on the list of potential scum. It seems like she saw the potential for a lynch, and then leaped on it hoping it would go through.


More than happy with this vote.

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Ok. Couple of things to point out:

1) Saying I could possibly be deflecting pressure off of thok is ridiculous when a, I pretty much catapaulted him into prominence with the prod fued, and second have him on my list of most suspected. Nice try at OMGUSing.

2) Learn to understand a point, then respond to it. I was not at all saying you hadn't been suspicious of him before, I was saying that you are riding the waves of popular suspicion, unless you are denying that you were not voting thok when no one else was finding him suspicious.

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Ok, of the 5 reasons I list for voting her, TSs responses so far:

5) OMGUS attack

vote: TS

5) Lastly, the timing of this disturbs me. Look at the lists which came before her. They all list thok as high up on the list of potential scum. It seems like she saw the potential for a lynch, and then leaped on it hoping it would go through.

Say... isn't that YOU fabricating evidence??? Read my posts, I've been having Thok on top of my suspicion list since I replaced.

2) Concession

I didn't fabricate evidence, gimme a break. As for the rest, I can't say that I've been obsessed with major suspicions of anybody. So, yes, I have been shifting, hoping that someone would slip up, stand out, anything. This game is somewhat of a flatliner.

With a flat out ignoring of the 3 other points...

Yeah, not responding well to pressure, is she...

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I just made a read of ethers posts, and two things spring to mind that make me comfortable with my vote still.

1) Ethers attack of MoS seems superficial. She pushed, she said he was scum, she asked things like "Why is MoS not dead yet." but then she unvoted him not once, but twice, and spent the greater deal of that push voting IH and Jack.

2) I can't find an ether attack on fritzler. In fact, the only ether mention of fritzler that I can find is her saying that the luckayluck case on him is crap.

TS you still need to respond to me before you go on vacation.

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Ok. Couple of things to point out:

1) Saying I could possibly be deflecting pressure off of thok is ridiculous when a, I pretty much catapaulted him into prominence with the prod fued, and second have him on my list of most suspected. Nice try at OMGUSing.

2) Learn to understand a point, then respond to it. I was not at all saying you hadn't been suspicious of him before, I was saying that you are riding the waves of popular suspicion, unless you are denying that you were not voting thok when no one else was finding him suspicious.

Respond to this point. While you do, I will check the death scenes to attempt to confirm the claim.

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Ok...Couple things wrong with that.

One, we already have a dead vig,

two, and most importantly: MOS WAS LYNCHED, NOT NIGHTKILLED.

confirm vote: TS

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2) Learn to understand a point, then respond to it. I was not at all saying you hadn't been suspicious of him before, I was saying that you are riding the waves of popular suspicion, unless you are denying that you were not voting thok when no one else was finding him suspicious.

Respond to this point. While you do, I will check the death scenes to attempt to confirm the claim.

You mean this point? 5) Lastly, the timing of this disturbs me. Look at the lists which came before her. They all list thok as high up on the list of potential scum. It seems like she saw the potential for a lynch, and then leaped on it hoping it would go through.

You spoked of the timing. Well, I put list on the MY list before that, at the time I replaced. So you're wrong.[/quote]

I am referring to the post I quoted, not any other. But you again continu to straw man me. Explain to me also how your "vig target" died in a lynch, not a NK, and also how your role has already died in this game.

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Can someone prod the shit out of STD.

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Why is anyone even giving ANY thought to a claim which says they vigged someone who was instead lynched. Read the scenes. MoS was never vigged, or perhaps I am missing something.

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I'm thinking a mass claim is a good plan.

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Wait.

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I'm thinking its because he;s been suspicious of sarc for the whole latter half of the game. He see's two targets which are logically equal to him with the logic you presented, and goes after the one which has appeared more suspicious to him all game. At least thats how it appears on face to me.

I would wonder why he's placing votes willy nilly at possibly lylo though.

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My role has no use that I can see.

I am the drawbridge opporator. Basically I can choose to raise or lower the drawbridge each night. I have no clue what this does. I've fiddled around with it a couple of times during the game, but at this point I've pretty much given up on it as a red herring.

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Well, I am the bowman. Basically though, I can raise or open the drawbridge during the night. I guess it has something to do with defending the castle. The flavor makes very little sense to me, also, the role seems to have done very little this game. As you can see, I have opened and closed the draw bridge a couple of times, and It hasn't done anything that I can tell in terms of tangibly effecting the game.

Who still has to claim?

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unvote, vote STD

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Well to be honest, its because at first I misread and thought you claimed my role, but then I read it again, and I see that you claimed to be a mason with someone who...was not a mason.

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My role has no doctor powers that I am aware of.

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Not to speak for him, but probably because he finds you more scummy. Thats just a guess, though.

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I am willing to vote TSS or thok. I do not know which one, and as both of them are at 1 already, I'm hesitant to vote for anyone this second. I'm going to think about it, and place a vote, which should leave time for HH or Sarc to unvote if they like.

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Vote: the silent speaker

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I can not tell you how close I was to all out bussing thok once sarc placed that vote. PJ has just informed me that thok was very strongly considering bussing me, because he didn't know I had control of the drawbridge, and hence thought it was a terrible claim. We're both lucky that neither of us actually did it.

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It's already been done.