Kingmaker II-Game Over

ThAdmiral · Post Post #1693 (isolation #0) » Thu Mar 08, 2007 1:34 pm

I am replacing olio. Just need a sec to do a re-read of the thread.

ThAdmiral · Post Post #1696 (isolation #1) » Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:19 pm

yeah, probably more like a day.

ThAdmiral · Post Post #1739 (isolation #2) » Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:56 pm

I'd like to say a big thumbs up to mastermind of sin for making the readthrough a bit easier!

@ pablito: do you want me to claim or something?

ThAdmiral · Post Post #1750 (isolation #3) » Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:01 pm

pablito wrote:ThAdmiral. Actually, I'd really like to hear your claim, all silliness aside. There are many people who wouldn't want you to claim though. But for me, no one that has ever occupied your role has made me feel nice and snuggly and comfortable. It's quite possible that the replacements have all just coincidentally been scummy to me. So I have an interest in hearing your claim, but many people won't want you to claim. But do as you want.

I don't really see the point: if i am town i would claim town, if i was scum i would claim town, and if i was anybody else i would claim town.

I'm town by the way.

vote: pablito, smashy, fritzler

ThAdmiral · Post Post #1786 (isolation #4) » Sun Mar 18, 2007 2:34 pm

vote: mnowax

Omgus vote and then tried to justify it, but quite frankly I don't buy it.

Unvote: pablito

I'm not sure if this guy's scum or not but he is too valuable to get rid of right now as he's pushing for lots of discussion.

ThAdmiral · Post Post #1799 (isolation #5) » Mon Mar 19, 2007 9:32 pm

Mastermind of Sin wrote:I suggest we execute Der Hammer after Mnowax.

Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves.

ThAdmiral · Post Post #1818 (isolation #6) » Wed Mar 21, 2007 5:54 pm

MoS: no, mainly because the summary posts were so god-damned helpful.
VitaminR: i don't know. Yes, but I think he deserves a bit of time to state his case.
SV: maybe, leaning towards no. There are better plays at the moment in my opinion.
Smashy: obv yes, as I'm voting for him.

ThAdmiral · Post Post #1850 (isolation #7) » Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:30 pm

pablito wrote:So ask away - get your last answers from me.

So...what do you think about the Yankees outfield this season...

ThAdmiral · Post Post #1879 (isolation #8) » Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:50 pm

Shanba wrote: I don't like the way he's posting one liner off topic stuff.

Well too freakin' bad!

Your attack on my predecessors relies too much on the fact that those so-called pro-town players that they attacked are indeed town - if they happen to turn up scum I guess they would have to be fantastic scum-catchers, right? Seeing what no-one else saw, etc.
I guess my apparent lack of a strong stance is because I just recently joined the game and don't really have super-strong feelings on anyone. I've got my suspicions but I've already announced them.

ThAdmiral · Post Post #1884 (isolation #9) » Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:56 pm

Shanba wrote:
ThAdmiral wrote:
Shanba wrote: I don't like the way he's posting one liner off topic stuff.
Well too freakin' bad!

Your attack on my predecessors relies too much on the fact that those so-called pro-town players that they attacked are indeed town - if they happen to turn up scum I guess they would have to be fantastic scum-catchers, right? Seeing what no-one else saw, etc.
I guess my apparent lack of a strong stance is because I just recently joined the game and don't really have super-strong feelings on anyone. I've got my suspicions but I've already announced them.
See, that wasn't the only point of my argument. I don't likle the way you and your predecessors have played with a mixture of apathy, lurking and opportunistic votes. Luckayluck was an opportunistic vote on a town. Pablito, Fritz and MoS were opportunistic votes. Players who had been getting a lot of attention for their playstyles, and not necessarily anything scummy. Also, I was worried that that tendency to lurk apathetically was coming through in your one liners.

Finally, You may have announced suspicions, but you've barely justified them.

Do you think I got a message from the guy I replaced (can't remember his name) telling me to lurk and seem apathetic? Cause I didn't.
I can't explain the actions of my predecessors. They did what they did.

ThAdmiral · Post Post #1893 (isolation #10) » Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:21 pm

Shanba wrote:
ThAdmiral wrote:
Do you think I got a message from the guy I replaced (can't remember his name) telling me to lurk and seem apathetic? Cause I didn't.
I can't explain the actions of my predecessors. They did what they did.
What sort of question is that? Of course I don't think so. When one person lurks, is opportunistic and apathetic, you can put it down to playstyle, real life issues, boredom, etc. However, when
4
people playing the same role act that way, alarm bells start ringing.

I know you can't explain the actions of your predecessors, however that doesn't mean I can't pressure you for them. Hypothetically, if someone were to act incredibly scummy, hammer claimed cops, and then have to be replaced, his replacement would still be accountable for his actions.

Fair enough, but I think we're going to have to agree to disagree, because I don't necessarily think that I am lurking.

ThAdmiral · Post Post #1959 (isolation #11) » Sat Apr 07, 2007 2:52 pm

Prod response: I wouldn't mind the hammer being dropped on mnowax.

ThAdmiral · Post Post #1993 (isolation #12) » Fri Apr 20, 2007 8:23 pm

Here. Will post content later.

ThAdmiral · Post Post #2096 (isolation #13) » Wed May 09, 2007 1:24 pm

@mnowax vote again: I'm not against it, but maybe we should give him a day off.

@MoS suspicion: When I was reading through I didn't see him as amazingly scummy as you did Thesp, but I'd be willing to listen to your points because you seem pretty positive.

@Zindaras: you mention you have a loe and a reasonable idea of who you're going to kill, but are you going to tell us who?

Vote:...

on second thoughts I'm not ready to do that just yet.

ThAdmiral · Post Post #2109 (isolation #14) » Fri May 11, 2007 1:42 am

I'm with yos on this one...

ThAdmiral · Sat May 12, 2007 11:08 pm

2 comments:

-There was a fairly strong push from the town to lynch mnowax so I think yos was just doing his job by listening to the town

-If he was scum, why wouldn't he have just jumped on the mnowax execution straight away rather than looking at other options etc. He seemed to me to really try to be exploring multiple potential lynchees and seeing what the town and he thought was the best one.

ThAdmiral · Wed May 23, 2007 12:06 am

Sorry I've had uni stuff lately. I'm still yet to do the kings request.

ThAdmiral · Post Post #2241 (isolation #17) » Fri May 25, 2007 6:11 pm

I haven't done a full read-through yet, but I seem to remember that zindies play didn't strike me as overly scummy, just...unusual. He has his own style, and thats fine with me.

My thoughts on the loe:

SV - I wouldn't.

Vit - I've been coming round to this one, but I think...

Fritz - is probably the best option today.

ThAdmiral · Sat Jun 02, 2007 11:37 pm

I've got to admit that as much as I'd like a well thought out, reasoned and analysed execution, I also just want an execution. We've all had plenty of time to say everything we want.

ThAdmiral · Post Post #2391 (isolation #19) » Tue Jun 12, 2007 4:13 pm

RafK wrote:Zindaras gets some brownie points for the SV execution, but there's a decent chance of a bussing here, mostly because SV wasn't Zindy's preferred target on the LOE originally and I do feel that SV became the execution out of sheer pressure from the town at large (not just me).

I just see this as a good king listening to his people.

Yarr.

ThAdmiral · Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:50 am

petroleumjelly wrote:4.) Post 2241 by ThAdmiral and
another
person putting SV on the bottom. Explain.

Mostly gut feeling. I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. That being said Fritz and Vit-R still could be scum...

Today I wouldn't mind any of Fritz, Vitamin-R or Mnowax being executed.

ThAdmiral · Post Post #2443 (isolation #21) » Sun Jun 17, 2007 4:04 pm

may as well make my suspicions official:

vote: mnowax, vitaminR, fritzler

ThAdmiral · Post Post #2454 (isolation #22) » Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:40 pm

2nded for good idea. Just means more bloody readthroughs though.

ThAdmiral · Post Post #2468 (isolation #23) » Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:04 am

I got a juicy couple, but then again so did most.

ThAdmiral · Post Post #2548 (isolation #24) » Mon Jul 09, 2007 3:56 pm

I'm still here. Just been bogged down with work recently.
I'm still yet to complete my task, and I'll get right on it.

ThAdmiral · Post Post #2618 (isolation #25) » Mon Jul 30, 2007 5:17 pm

I can hardly keep up with this game, but I also don't want someone else to have to replace me and read through the excessive amount of pages.
Sorry to all that I didn't complete the task for yesterday. I'm not going to lie and say I

never

got time to do it (although I did have a bit on my plate), just that whenever I had a chance I kept putting it off.

Yesterday's result has made me rethink a few of my suspicions. I will post up who I think is the most suspicious two or three hopefully in a few days.

ThAdmiral · Post Post #2645 (isolation #26) » Tue Jul 31, 2007 1:35 pm

I just had the thought that the task of making us choose the scummier of two people not only helped define who the town was most suspicious of, but also helped the scum find out who we

weren't

suspicious of.
Zindaras came off looking good, and so was killed.

ThAdmiral · Post Post #2765 (isolation #27) » Sat Aug 18, 2007 9:49 pm

i'm still here.
It's hard to keep up with this game, but I wouldn't want to make a replacement have to read 111 pages.

If you have any direct questions for me ask away and I will answer them as best as I can.

ThAdmiral · Post Post #2780 (isolation #28) » Sun Aug 19, 2007 3:53 pm

Yosarian2 wrote:
ThAdmiral wrote:i'm still here.
It's hard to keep up with this game, but I wouldn't want to make a replacement have to read 111 pages.

If you have any direct questions for me ask away and I will answer them as best as I can.
I want to know what you think about kscope. And quickly; if he keeps playing like this, he might not have long to live.

He seems to be fairly aggressive, but as far as I can tell he is always like this so I don't see it as anything unusual.
He seems to be contributing as much if not more than most in the game.
His reasoning overall seems to be fairly sound.
Sometimes he can contradict himself with his own arguments however I believe this is because he is more focused on individual points against people than the overall picture (which, as a town, one wouldn't know anyway).

ThAdmiral · Post Post #2871 (isolation #29) » Sun Sep 02, 2007 3:24 pm

I'm just popping in to say I'm still following the game and all.
Once again if you have any questions I'll answer them as well as I can.

ThAdmiral · Post Post #2887 (isolation #30) » Wed Sep 05, 2007 5:36 pm

mnowax wrote:yeah, i have question. Are you scum?

No.

ThAdmiral · Post Post #2899 (isolation #31) » Sat Sep 08, 2007 5:34 am

Yosarian2 wrote:
ThAdmiral wrote:
mnowax wrote:yeah, i have question. Are you scum?
No.
Ok then. Why have you been semi-lurking and refuisng to say anything relevent for such a long time now? Who do you think is scum? If you were king, who would you kill right now?

Bascially I'm finding hard to keep up with this game, plus I've been disheartened by the amount of times I've been wrong, so I don't really hold my opinion in this game in high regard anymore.
I've realized I

don't

know who scum is, at all, and if I was king I would probably just listen to public opinion/the best presented argument.

ThAdmiral · Post Post #2909 (isolation #32) » Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:33 pm

Mastermind of Sin wrote:ThAdmiral, can you give your thoughts on Yos2 and PJ?

Yos2: since his last kingship I am inclined to believe he is town. I don't think scum were under so much pressure that they felt they had to throw one of their own under a bus at that point.

PJ: He seems to do a lot of long-form analysis. Most of the time the layout is quite good and the content seems to be okay as well. I don't really know whether this makes him more town or more scum, but I am inclined to say more scum. Sort of a "trying to look helpful" thing. On the other hand he could just be being helpful.

ThAdmiral · Post Post #2941 (isolation #33) » Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:54 am

petroleumjelly wrote:
->
ThAdmiral, when you commented on K-Scope, you said "sometimes he can contradict himself with his own arguments". Can you show me a few examples of this?

I'll have a look through and find them for you. I'm basically just replying to this now for the prod.

ThAdmiral · Post Post #2945 (isolation #34) » Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:32 pm

petroleumjelly wrote:
->
ThAdmiral, when you commented on K-Scope, you said "sometimes he can contradict himself with his own arguments". Can you show me a few examples of this?

I remember when I made this comment I had a few examples in mind but having looked through his posts I can't seem to find them.

Yosarian2 wrote:TheAdmeral: What do you think about Fritzer and TS?

They both seem to want to kill people really quickly.

ThAdmiral · Post Post #2957 (isolation #35) » Tue Sep 25, 2007 2:50 pm

Yosarian2 wrote:...ok, but what do you think about their chances of being scum?

I would say toaster strudel seems more like scum than fritzler, but then again I have been wrong about everything else so far, so...

RafK wrote:
ThAdmiral
- what have you done in this game to help the town?

Not much to be honest. Been an extra town body I guess.