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Mastin, if Sonic was town, why would fuzzy not claim he used the LD and that sonic was scum? NO matter what fuzzy scum does, he gets lynched today pretty much all the time. Claiming he got a result gets sonic killed as well instead of just fuzzy going down.
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...all he said was that he was suspicious of frogger (which is likely evident from the pt they had), as is the fact that he decided he was town. Like, man, I hate how scummy you are and how transparent your attempts at misdirection are.
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Fuzzy, I would expect that he was given access to the pts that the person he's replacing had access to.
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what part of my case does not make sense? What part of "The only way TW could have known his power is if he told them it" is confusing?
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Stop talking about your stupid "oh, yeah, x MUST be town because they happened to vote for scum that were going down". Seriously. Meh. This is all irritating me right now actually. You can have your reason for believing people are town, and I'll have my own, better, reason. I wasn't aware that you had claimed fully to Grapes as well(who, btw, makes perfect sense as a miller, so that's meaningless). Grapes was not the only roleblocker in the game, farside could roleblock, and fro99er could jailkeep. Am I like the only person in this game who actually remembers who claimed they could do what? So many outright incorrect things being stated.
Grapes: No. The reason why TW was scum is because they were referring to him being refilled, which indicated knowledge of the copying mechanic, which was the issue.
Mastin: Did sonic full claim in your PT with grapes during the season finale?
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I'm talking about your points about Mastin. Not yourself. I don't care about your points about yourself, because you have your own defense in mind.
Anyways, I asked you, flat out, if you had claimed to anyone else, before I brought up the TW case. You said you hadn't. Why are you changing that now?
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Yes, I understand these things.
1) There is strong evidence, for reasons related to my role that I won't reveal, that scum would not have a roleblocker/had a jailkeeper rather than a roleblocker.
2) Why would grapes claim their roleblock at all? There's no reason to. Double voter is sufficient in and of itself. Roleblocker has a scum taint to it. Why would scum grapes rub that taint all over themselves for no reason?
Also, I'm going to sleep. More in the morning my time. Anyways, that's a perfectly reasonable argument for someone other than you, sonic, being scum, so I'll consider it. It's a complete toss up though as far as I can tell. By the metric you use, that of voting history etc, you're both equally likely to be town. By the metric I'm using, you're both equally likely sources of the information TW had. The interactions you had with TW yesterday don't look good for you though Sonic.
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Fuzzy is the one who referenced that, and you agreed with him on it as the reason why x is town. Therefore you're utilizing said information as at least a part of your metric. Anyways
Yes, I actually did know you said you had *partially* claimed to grapes, which is why I dismissed it. I asked grapes for a hint, and his hint was because you're an attention whore. That does not in any way indicate you told him you could copy things, only that you wanted to be targeted, which is something I already knew.
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And you didn't correct him. So if you did indeed tell him something which indicated that you copied things which were targeted at you, then...it's very important to make that distinction.
Sonic, why did TW want you to have Fuzzy's refill power, as town?
Grapes, who have you blocked this game, and when?
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Sonic, it was a single tenuous connection before TW'S flip indicated there were no other possibilites. That upgraded it to strong evidence. You revealing that grapes was told enough to also be a possible source of the information downgraded it to a tenuous connection again, which applies to both grapes and yourself now. My death on N4 does nothing to change the fact that you would have been obviously acting to derail a lynch on scum (to mastin, at least, who can be very vocal you know), and resulted in his lynch, and then yours. Or maybe even your lynch that day, and then his. I see it as perfectly reasonable for scum you to not take that risk.
Sonic, the days are like weeks long. 48h is a short clock when the games are that long, and when you shooting will limit the discussion to is sonic right, wrong, or scum. Waiting is almost always the best thing to do with these sorts of things, but everyone's stupidly impatient.
So yeah. I'm not ignoring evidence. I simply realize there are other lines scum you could have taken than the ones you're saying you would have taken, and those lines mean your evidence simply isn't evidence.
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Because fuzzy isn't a possible way TW knew your role. The better question is why am I voting you rather than grapes.
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In post 4434, Sonic X wrote:In post 4430, Metal Sonic wrote:In post 4429, Reasonably Rational wrote:My death on N4 does nothing to change the fact that you would have been obviously acting to derail a lynch on scum (to mastin, at least, who can be very vocal you know), and resulted in his lynch, and then yours. Or maybe even your lynch that day, and then his. I see it as perfectly reasonable for scum you to not take that risk.
I think you need to read in context instead of reading in a vacuum.
Whatever! Why are you voting me instead of fuzzy?
In post 4432, Metal Sonic wrote:Following your reads progression.
why am i even playing on this account
In cawe ZZZX decides to chime in? :p Anyways, this is kinda back burnered right now because I have other things I kinda need to focus on, and there's a lot of work to do in terms of deciphering all this. I don't feel that further conversation without actual investigation on my part will be fruitful, and I don't have the time to do said investigating right now. I am deliberately leaving my vote on you, I will be reading, but I won't be talking for a bit.
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I don't dislike your playstyle. The only issue I have with anyone's playstyle is in people's posting styles, that is, I find it incredibly difficult to read posts that are lacking grammar/punctuation/a coherent progression of thoughts...like Marquis' early posts this game. I hated those. So much.
Also note, that thing you quoted was posted by Drixx, and the majority of the posting this game since then (with some notable exceptions) has been by me. During that whole snafu between yourself and fro99er, I felt it was TvT(and I believe Drixx did too) but we felt it was something that would distract town all game, and thus needed to be ended, and we had a stronger town read on fro99er than yourself, namely because of the weird timing of your gladiate attempt combined with it being unlikely you made that attempt without realizing someone else had hammered, all of which combined to make your gladiate attemptsl and subsequent outrage at both the hammer and your wasted shot appear to be feigned. Thus, you were scum more than fro99er.
With regards to your Constantine point: You're proposing. Cooldog/Constantine pair as the last two scum then?
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Btw your point is reasonable about constantine, minus the cop clear on him and the terrible scum play of not simply playing along with the make a match game and actively discouraging people from wasting their time attempting to be Constantines neighbor.
Was Titus' outrage at the scum inability to effect alliances faked or real Sonic?
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Pedit: Yes, season finale was TW/MP/RR
I should really reread those alliances, considering I have a BUNCH of content that happened where I was only interacting with scum.Show"We'll see who is bad at mafia after I've lynched you." - RadiantCowbells
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Bleh I'm mobile too man. :p maybe when I get home if I leave work early. It was right in her first scum claim post I think.
Ftr, as of the end of yesterday I was 100% there was scum between yourself and fuzzy, because of your clear LD posts, with these scenarios in mind:
1) Claimed planning to kill fuzzy and argue it was a framing kill. Scum you, town Fuzzy
2) Claimed planning to roleblock fuzzy, same result as killing him
3) Fuzzy planned to claim a guilty on you, resulting in your mislynch, then his lynch, with some mechanic for winning the game in the resulting lylo/over the season finale. Fuzzy scum, you town.
And more, actually. I have a headache right now though and it pains me to continue this post. Long story short though, him not LDING you makes it look a lot more like you're both scum, and he simply realized when I said he was getting lynched to confirm his result, that there was no result he could give that would help.
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You don't understand. If the LD was a gambit by both of you as scum, you can make those posts without fear. If you're scum, and plan to kill him, you can still make those posts withiut fear. He's alive, so you're both scum together, or you are 100% town.
That should lead us to lynch him today
BUT here's the problem. He told you he wasn't going to LD you. That reopens the possibility that scum you decided it was better to leave the easy mislynch on the table and kill elsewhere.
And that is why this isn't as simple as you're making it out to be.
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...what? So your lie detector explicitly forbids results to confirm or deny a post made regarding someone's alignment?. Fuzzy, answer my damn question in our PT.
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Also, is that a limitation of your power that you informed sonic of?
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In post 4469, Sonic X wrote:In post 4467, Reasonably Rational wrote:If you're scum, and plan to kill him, you can still make those posts withiut fear.
This is proven FALSE, by the way.
How so?
In post 4472, Sonic X wrote:sorry, i ran out of secret messages
???????????
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In post 4475, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:I prob messed up on the post number but I am referring the post he did a full claim on his ability
I was on my phone so I did not check ..
I honestly think TSO figured out Sonic ability. Maybe I giving her too much credit but she is a dang good player
RR it will be later before I can get to the PT but I can answer you question here if you want
...just go to view your posts, click on our pt, and type the answer there instead of here. Not sure how you could possibly be able to answer in here, but not in there. Especially considering that I'm leery of a sonic/fuzzy team, I'd much prefer if you told me things somewhere where sonic can't see what you said.
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The whole fuzzy is a lie detector thing nic? Not sure what you want paraphrased.
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Got it. Fuzzy is a lie detector, and said a buncha times that he doesn't believe Klingon is a cop, because the town wouldn't have so many cops, but he also just said his power can't be used on alignment statememts, so, I don't know wtf he was talking about.
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Okay Sonic,
I'm going to give you one more shot at this, and if you refuse to do it, I will take it as an admission of guilt.
I would like you to evaluate each of the posts Titus made when she gave up and admitted being scum, giving your thoughts on what is likely to be potentially true, starting with whether you believe she was actually angry at the time or just faking it. Evaluate each post by quoting it and giving your thoughts. We want something to read you by that is separate from the chain of logic that results in you having given your role info to her in the scum chat.
If you are town, you should obviously want your thoughts out there either way, and certainly if you are town you don't want us to waste a mislynch on you, and certainly if you are town, you want to read through that series of posts anyway, as it isat least possiblethat she was legitimately angry and let actual info out into the thread. There's also a reason that scum are advised not to try and spill a bunch of WiFoM into the thread when they are dying, since it can frequently give the town actual info and get the scum's partners caught.
So ... I can see a scum Sonic trying to avoid doing the evaluation for fear of messing up whatever plan Titus had with those posts, but I see no reason for a town Sonic to have refused my request. So it's not a request anymore. You will do it if you are really town, and if you don't do it, we shall view that as your admission that you are scum. As simple as that.
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In post 4553, Metal Sonic wrote:Should I gladiate Fuzzy as well?
If you just want to outright claim scum, I suppose that would be a good move.
Fuzzy is supposed to refill us tonight. If he doesn't, that's basically him admitting he is scum. So why waste any more thought on it until we see if that happens or not?
Nic ... we're going to want you to watch us tonight in case any scum try to kill us. We have a theory we would like to tell.
And remember, Sonic, we haven't disclosed our abilities, except for one. Suffice it to say they are useful and have probably frustrated the scum team. Fuzzy refilling us lets us use something tonight and expect to use it again before the finale refill, and if fuzzy doesn't refill then we caught scum so it's worth the use anyway.
But you just need to stop appealing to emotion just because circumstantial evidence points to you. Instead, do your townie thing and evaluate the Titus posts. That's actually a productive usage of your time. All of your whinging and AtE just make us more sure that the logic is sound, or else you would have been doing townie things instead of what you have instead been doing.
It's like I said during yesterday's day phase ... I don't want you to be scum. What I want has zero correlation to how roles and alignment got assigned though ... so we would like to be able to read you instead of just applying the Razor.Show"We'll see who is bad at mafia after I've lynched you." - RadiantCowbells
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We have a theory we would like to test* ... hooray for typos.Show"We'll see who is bad at mafia after I've lynched you." - RadiantCowbells
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Fuzzy, we're not interested in talking to you. Either you refill us tonight or you don't. If you don't, you get lynched tomorrow. It's as simple as that. You could have either found scum or confirmed Sonic into the town block and chose to do neither. There aren't nice words in response to that, so I choose not to use the not nice words.
Still waiting for Sonic to do town sonic things.Show"We'll see who is bad at mafia after I've lynched you." - RadiantCowbells
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Grapes, Nic Cage: Did you guys become Opal when you fused earlier?
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Also, 1) there is a miller claim already, and 2) scum had an ascetic. Does ascetic+gf seem likely?
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In post 4586, NicCage wrote:In post 4581, Reasonably Rational wrote:Grapes, Nic Cage: Did you guys become Opal when you fused earlier?
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Opal is my fusion name. The pt wasn't titled a name, it was just called a fusion.
This confuses me. What do you mean Opal is your fusion name, if the pt wasn't titled anything?
Also, mastin, xtoxm, seriously, sonic is scum. Why aren't you voting with me? His claim is THE ONLY ONE that isn't from the show. Even if you don't believe the logic for anything else...it just doesn't make sense.
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In post 4595, Cerberus v666 wrote:No, klingon, we will be with you.
Nic and grapes
Klingon us
Fuzzy, xtoxm, mastin, and constantine...I don't know.
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Actually, constantine, if you are town, I think you HAVE to invade mastin tonight. Seriously. Do it. I don't like to direct people's actions, but....you invading mastin is the safest play we have.
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Xtoxm is town for the same reason mastin is. It's in my iso, repeatedly, and I'm mobile so I'm not digging it up.
At the moment fuzzy, you're still scum. Refilling us was basically something scum had to do, so you don't really get any town points for doing that under duress. The only thing giving me pause is TW pushing you over MP on D3, but it's entirely possible they saw more value in keeping the strongman around than whatever you could be. If you're not scum, constantine is. If Constantine isn't, grapes is.
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I think that we think that Klingon being killed (and janitored) was meant to be a WiFoM move; however, the killing of the cop suggests scum fearing being investigated which points at Fuzzy or Grapes.
@Nic - We need an explanation for why you resurrected, and why you weren't watching anyone last night. We think we know, but it would be better for you to just say so explicitly at this point.Show"We'll see who is bad at mafia after I've lynched you." - RadiantCowbells
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For the record, Drixx and I have been discussing the game, and we think we have a moderate amount of evidence showing that it's unlikely Fuzzy is actually scum, contrary to his play(mostly due to Drixx's work). I'll let Drixx elaborate once we finish ironing out the kinks and figure out who else is most likely scum.
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Mastin2 - Town for reasons outlined before, namely that giving scum knowledge of who we were D3 simply doesn't fit with the other mechanical quirks of this game and the abilities shown on the scum team.
Xtoxm - Town for same reasons as Mastin2.
Suspects
grapes - Claimed Miller D1, Amethyst, double voter.
Thefuzzylogic99 - The Cool Kids
St Constantine the Hermit Bins
So, the main suspects for the last scum are St., grapes, and fuzzy. First, I'll address why fuzzy is unlikely to be scum
1) Fuzzy is consistently pushed as a lynch by scum. He is even offered up as a counterwagon to Maxwell, with both Sonic and TW swapping over to him one after another, on D4. There's no way scum would deliberately counterwagon from one of their own team members to another member of their team, the day after losing someone, and basically guarantee the consecutive loss of members of their team.
2) In TW's slip post, they want fuzzy to refill sonic, so as to give the refill TO sonic. Sonics power explicitly states that he cannot copy his teammates powers. It seems incredibly unlikely that TW would both make this post forgetting that town does not know about sonics power, while simultaneously REMEMBERING to maintain the illusion that sonic could indeed copy fuzzy's motivate. In addition, in the event that fuzzy were scum, this post sets up sonic to die later, when he shows that he actually can't use the motivate he supposedly copied. It just doesn't make sense.
So, that leaves us with grapes, and constantine.
Constantine is only scum under a limited number of circumstances.
1)6 person scum team, klingon and constantine were the last two members, and klingon thus faked the innocent on constantine, and was then janitor killed by his own team in the hopes that they could ride said innocent into the end game.
2)The scum team contained both a godfather and an ascetic. This is possible, but I feel it's only slightly more likely than scenario 1, which is improbable.
3)Redirection of some sort occurred to mess with Klingons investigation.
None of those seem especially likely. They are, of course, possible, so Constantine's cop clear is suspect.
Now, grapes. I can't find any reason why you're actually town. The closest thing to a clear we have is sonics attempt to pin the leak to TW about his power on you, but the best case scenario for that for him, if you were town, was a single mislynch on you yesterday, and then a guaranteed lynch on him today. That doesn't save him. What does save him is if you are his actual partner, you flip scum, and then he has a very nice reason presented for why the TW slip doesn't actually mean he's scum, something which he could, combined with all his actions, could have easily let him make it into the end game.
Your play throughout has been rather opportunistic, you just kind of seemed to sheep everything. I don't see anything really in the way of pushes from you. Other than the fact that you happened to be on scum lynches, which were all basically guaranteed to go through(the MP lynch is the only scum lynch this game that wasn't backed by a functional guilty), there just isn't town motivation in your play.
I think that's a decent summation of our current thoughts on the game state.
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In post 4652, grapes wrote:yea you don't get to talk shit about my play this game mate, at least i haven't hard defended obvscum
I'm not talking shit about your play? I'm saying I don't see pushes and scumhunting from you, and basically entreating you to show it to me if I've missed it somewhere, which is possible.
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See that's what i was saying too, about how the whole thing could have been a post intended to clear fuzzy deliberately in that way, but, like, if the post was *that* important, it just seems implausible that TW would remember that part of the lie, but not remember to not slip about everything else. Like, you have to posit that TW completely forgot that town didn't know about sonics power, and so made that post assuming it was known. Then, from that, while in the process of making a mistake, they were careful enough to not slip about fuzzy. It just seems weird.
Why didn't you lynch fuzzy when he was at L-1 if you're sure he's the last scum?
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Also, why do you want out of this game? :-/ Why is everyone so unmotivated now? We seriously just lynched scum 4x in a row but somehow nobody in the game wants to talk anymore.
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In post 4659, NicCage wrote:Also another fair point, Grapes' role and powers make complete sense. Fuzzy's lie detector does not.
Yes, I know.
It's hard man. Fuzzy feels...too easy, almost. Like there must be something more going on. There isn't any actual REASON to think fuzzy is scum, at least, no reason that isn't at least counterbalanced by something else. Look at our name. We like to have reasons for things.
I'm basically in a situation where I feel there is equal evidence for all three of my suspects to be the remaining scum. I'm trying to pick someone out who's more suspicious than the others, but I've got nothing. Drixx is pretty sure about fuzzy not being scum, and he has valid points, which are less unreasonable than a lot of other scenarios that are required for others to be scum...so if I'm going to give weight to the scenarios that make others scum, but are implausible, i have to give weight to the arguments that make him NOT scum. If that makes sense?
Grapes, xtoxm can easily be third party. There's an outside chance he's an SK who decided to not kill, or some non killing third party role. I find it impossible for him to be on the same team as sonic/fro99er/MP/TW because the mechanics just don't make sense.
As the mod, you don't give the scum team a power that can infinitely shut down ONLY certain people, and let them know, for free, who one of those people are, and have that person also be the main character. You also don't give a strongman shot that's only usable on N4 to the team, when you have an IC that can only trigger themselves AFTER N4, and also let them know who the person they'd probably want to be killing with said shot on N4 is early. There was CLEARLY a deliberate dynamic there with us conftowning AFTER scum use their strongman, and scum having a few days of figuring out how to kill us through the wifom of potential protections, without being able to just instakill us. The whole thing is too elegantly put together, to not be deliberate, and xtoxm or mastin as part of the scum team make it fall apart.
Nic, Mastin has claimed to me, but I don't believe she is scum, so I'm not going to claim for her. I'll let her do that if she wants to.
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Fuzzy, you're allied with constantine?
Constantine, confirm please?
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Fuzzy, you're allied with constantine?
Constantine, confirm please?
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Okay, so...I just talked to Drixx, and we think it might be best if we did this, to solve the miller/godfather problem, and the fact that xtoxm seems super likely to be third party.
Today, we lynch Constantine/Grapes, to remove the godfather paranoia/miller problem. We have xtoxm make a post saying "I am town and win under the same exact conditions as all other town." and nothing else. Fuzzy, you'll LD that post tonight. Come tomorrow, we'll know if xtoxm is town or third party, and we'll also only have one suspect left, assuming we don't catch them the first time of course.
Will you work with us and do it this time Fuzzy?
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In post 4667, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Except my LD doesnt work on allighnment or win condition. I checked. I think thats why klingon was the three shot cop.
My LD ability works on roles and abilities. This is why a Sonic LD wouldnt of worked. He didnt lie about any of thoose things....which was unfortunate . I have a weak investigational role.
Sonic pushed the idea of a GF after he learned Klingon was a cop. This really makes me thinks he was trying to cast a doubt on Klingons result and future results if somehow Klingon lived. You dont just hand over a role like that to the town. Plus Sonic tried to bs the town on several occasion which makes me think he is lying here.
I am with a Grape /Xtoxm lynch today and tommorow so if you want to lynch Grapes today than Xtoxm tommorow
my ideal lynch order
Xtoxm/Grapes
Xtoxm / Grapeas ( which ever one of them is not lynched)
Hermit
I am 99.9 percent sure if we lynch the top two we will win. Lynching Hermit day on the last day will give us the certain win if somehow Grapes/Xtoxm are not scum.
Ugh. Forgot about that. Okay then, we'll have Xtoxm post "The only thing my role does is put me into an alliance with Steven on day 3." That should firmly establish him as town or scum, right? If he's scum, he should be able to do something else. That's the best I can come up with. Can you do that Fuzzy?
Nic: Yeah, that's the problem I'm having too. The simple fact that Grapes is Amethyst, and everyone else has been appropriately aligned by flavor, and those that were questionable were scum, makes me doubt him as scum. Plus the fact that I find it extremely implausible for there to be both a roleblocker and a jailkeeper on the scum team.
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Oh, I almost forgot: Grapes, you said you also had the thought, upon seeing Sonics flip, that fuzzy couldn't be scum. What changed between then and now to make you suspect Fuzzy?
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In post 4673, Xtoxm wrote:Where are you getting the idea that Sonic couldn't copy his teammates powers?
In post 4601, Varsoon wrote:
Sonic X was bubbled during the sixth Episode's Exposition. They wereLight Prism : Absorbing Gladiatoraligned withThe Yellow Diamond Authority.
Light Prism's role functions as follows:
Sonic X - Light PrismAbsorbing Gladiator (Yellow Diamond Authority)
I'm... sorry...This is an ancient gem weapon.
Your race isOther. You will do not gain specific bonuses for being in an ALLIANCE.
In the hands of a powerful gem, it could command an entire army of light!
Each Climax phase, you may target one player to ALLY with.
Refer to the Rules post in the thread for how ALLIANCES function.
What... do you... want me... to be?
You passively and reflexively copy all active abilities that target you.
This does not include your factional allies' abilities.
This only includes explicitly normal abilities.
This whole time they've been fighting FOR me! They must've been so confused.
Once per game, during the Exposition phase, you may target a player by postingFIGHT ME, [PLAYER NAME].
All votes are reset.
Only two players are now votable; you and your target.
...MASTER...
You may talk to your faction in this Private Thread: [REDACTED]
Your teammates include: [REDACTED]
You win the game when you eliminate all opposing factions or there is nothing keeping you from doing so (this includes your faction equaling that of the Beach City Residents (town) faction).
The bolded and large text.
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In post 4675, Xtoxm wrote:I see.
TW was sloppy enough to scumslip in the first place, so I think it's entirely possible they forgot and/or were unaware of that.
Grapes role sounds town, you said that yourself.
Yes, but clearing people off role alone is bad. Just because I find it unlikely that the setup as a whole would have grapes role on the scum team, doesn't mean I'm not wrong.
Are you going to make the post I suggested above?
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Cool. So Fuzzy, if you just lie detect that tonight, that should resolve that issue.
Mastin, haven't heard from you in awhile. Thoughts?
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Good catch xtoxm. Sorry about that. Fuzzy, will you LD 4680?? i just want confirmation that you're going to do it, since last time you didn't.
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In post 4682, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:OK I will ally with xtoxm tonight so I can LD him. I would love to lynch him today and LD Grapes but I will follow your lead.
So you're going to ally and LD him tonight?
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In post 4685, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Sorry my mistake
his power didn't work that way..or he would remind her of that. Noway a mistake like that would go unnoticed. Point being you are pushing a bad point. Still think you are desperately trying to get a mislynch.
Yes I will that's unless Xtoxm doesn't ally with me
Cool, so that should let us know if we need to lynch grapes tomorrow.
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In post 4687, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Wait I thought I was going to LD Xtoxm tonight. Honestly I would rather lynch xtoxm today and LD Grapes tonight. However if you want to lynch Grapes today and LD tonight I will do that. I am 99 percent sure however Xtoxm is the last scum
Lol sorry yes I meant xtoxm, not grapes. LD+Ally xtoxm tonight, lynch grapes today, and tomorrow we know if something weird is going on with xtoxm.
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In post 4628, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Sorry just have to get this off my brain. I guess this is a kinda out of game comment but if yall want to see it as a scum telll thats fine. This game doesnt mean jack at this point. I more worried that Drixx and Cerb wil be PO at me and wont want to play with me in any other games. The players I meet are as important to the game as winning. I am sorry if I did anything to get yall mad. I hope will me a second chance if we happen to be inthe same game. Thanks for listening to me little rant
Oh, I didn't respond to this. Fuzzy, unless you are an unbearable asshole, basically a bigot of some sort or someone who freaks out and spews insults and vulgarity into the thread, I won't be upset with you. No need to worry about that. There just didn't seem to be much point to talking with you in the pt in particular, because your thoughts were so wildly different from my own, and it simply did not(and still does not) make sense to me.
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Please Please Please none of you place a vote onanyoneuntil we ask for it. Grapes has an ability that is WAY too dangerous to take any chances. The Constantine slot is especially worrisome to us on that count.
There's a small narrow margin of doubt about Grapes, but he has to be lynched this day phase regardless of anything he might say to excuse what he did yesterdayof what he did yesterday:because
1.) First said he wanted out of the game and that lynching the claimed Miller before end game was the right move.
2.) Placed his own survival in the game ahead of any other concern
3.) Ended the day early with no warning, resulting in town having not prepared for the larger alliances
4.) In doing 2 and 3, he contradicted his own expressed desire and (correct) assertion that a miller has to be killed before endgame.
- Putting your own survival ahead of other concerns is the action of the final member of a scum team.
- Saying one thing and doing another is a reliable scum tell
- Screwing up planning alliances when they can be at their most powerful is obviously anti-town.
My guess is: his plan was to get fuzzy mislynched, then kill someone (probably Nic, which is who we see dead), then push for a Constantine slot lynch and then kill someone (Presumably Xtoxm) and that would leave Us (RR), Mastin and him left in LYLO ... and everyone who has vote related abilities has said their vote mechanisms don't work in the end game, so either he is lying and he could instantly double vote in LYLO to win or he is assuming Mastin wouldn't have a vote and he would thus end game us.
We screwed up his plan by logically clearing fuzzy, and from outside appearances we were working out a way for Fuzzy to clear Xtoxm, which would confirm him (grapes) as scum and so he had only one play to make yesterday: End the day early and hope he can figure out some miraculous way to smooth talk his way out of it today.
We're pretty sure we'll win when we lynch Grapes, but if somehow despite all the evidence against him, he is town ... he destroyed a guaranteed town win (no way for us to lose once we cleared Fuzzy as the remaining possible scum could all be lynched before they could endgame town) just to keep himself alive... The verbal evisceration he would receive from me if that ends up being the case will be legendary. They'll be telling stories and mythologizing it for years to come.
But that's probably not going to happen. Grapes just made a spite play and should be lynched with prejudice. We're going to vote him now, but we would like the rest of you to think for yourselves if you agree.
If you somehow come to the absurdly difficult to believe conclusion that Grapes is town, which we would find incredibly ridiculous, please withhold voting on anyone else and instead post your case against whomever and let others comment. Grapes can instantly end this day if any vote is placed on anyone but him.
VOTE: Grapes
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I realize I may not have put this into context well enough. When we cleared fuzzy logically yesterday, we had 3 possible scum left (Grapes, Constantine, Xtoxm) and the last one, Xtoxm, would be much more likely to be a neutral party than part of the scum team we've seen. We also had 3 Lynches remaining, assuming no night kills get blocked. As long as one of those 3 lynches hit scum, we were guaranteed to win.
Grapes, out of pure selfishness, decided to unilaterally end the day and mislynch someone who was logically cleared as town and therefore moved the game from a guaranteed town win to being possibly in doubt. It is not now possible to lynch all possible scum candidates. We only have room to be wrong once now, instead of the margin of two mislynches we had before Grapes did what he did.
So vote Grapes for the win, once you process and realize we're right.
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In post 4704, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:UNVOTE: xtoxm
Xtoxm can easily end the day by voting Grapes. You need to unvote too.
Except grapes is scum. It's basically either him or xtoxm, xtoxm STILL doesn't make sense as the last member of the scum team, and grapes played in an anti town fashion and contradicted himself yesterday. I don't mind some discussion in case we're somehow wrong, but grapes is dying today because, as he said himself, you shouldn't let a miller near lylo.
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Xtoxm doesn't have the ability to double vote, ergo if Xtoxm voted for Grapes, that would be L-1. As has been the case all game, you are just spouting nonsense.
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The rules are there for everyone to read. You did not respond to your prod, and if you did not PM the mod by 24 hours from the timestamp (Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:46 am, which is Central time US), then the rules say you're out. Ignorance of the rules is not an excuse, and if you should not be in the game, then youdefinintelyshould not be putting other people's huge investments of time at risk because your idea of fun is trolling every game you play on this site. You came into the thread when all reasonable expectation was that you were being replaced, so since you are busy trolling us in the thread, I see no reason to make my request private.Show"We'll see who is bad at mafia after I've lynched you." - RadiantCowbells
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In post 4709, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:I am a bit uninformed on the site wide activity policy, so any rules about prods need to be explained to me, because I wouldn't understand them otherwise.
Perhaps you should read the first posts by the game moderator when you join a game? Then you would know the rules for the game, including the requirement that you respond within 24 hours of his prod. From what you have said, it seems that you did not do so.
In post 4710, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:Anyways, I am worried that Grapes could be scum. I just am not as worried about him as Xtoxm.
This is what I'm talking about when I say you apparently are on this site to troll people. You clearly haven't been keeping up with the game state.Show"We'll see who is bad at mafia after I've lynched you." - RadiantCowbells
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In post 4710, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:Anyways, I am worried that Grapes could be scum. I just am not as worried about him as Xtoxm.
Prior to yesterday, xtoxm, by play, was scum more than grapes....but that changed with grapes hammer and contradictory posting yesterday.
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Pedit: none of the stuff about force replacing you was me, drixx, tag yo posts home. <3Show"We'll see who is bad at mafia after I've lynched you." - RadiantCowbells
"Reasonably Rational was bubbled on Day 2. They were Lapis Lazuli, aligned with The Crystal Gems"(town) - Varsoon
A hydra of Drixx and Cerberus v666