Three-Pronged Trouser God Mafia GAME OVER- Happy Ending?

[White Narcissus]

there is so much wrong with this post I don't know where to begin

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

2) There's a psychotrooper in the game. Even if you don't believe that psychotrooper works the way I've outlined, making this your FIRST ASSUMPTION is horrible. Psychotrooper roles are rare rare rare rare roles. Assuming that one exists because you have a nonsense townread on Titus and "this is a bastard game can't trust anything!!!" is frustrating and stupid.

did you miss where MoF is ALSO claiming a guilty on us?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

1) Titus expressed emotion, and thus is town. This is an argument brought forward by Wisdom. The idea that Titus can't fake emotion as scum is insulting, particularly when Titus would have practice expressing frustration in response to ika policy lynching her in every game they played together. This argument is typically dumb unless a player has demonstrated a complete lack of ability in faking emotion or if the emotion demonstrated would be hard for scum to fake. Titus's expressed emotion in this game is not hard to fake.

this is a ridiculous oversimplification of what I'm saying. I am saying that in general, the way Titus has played, has reacted, and has handled everything is not what I have expected to see from scum-Titus. Her AtE in regards to her being lynched all the time is part of that, yes, but my argument was not just "titus expressed emotion therefore she is town".

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

This is NOT Psychotrooper; Psychotrooper, as it explicitly says on the wiki, makes all investigative results insane. It doesn't mean that they are the opposite of what they would be.

i don't understand why you're going full retard here. Here is the definition of "insane":

Insane Cop: Results are the opposite of what they should be.

Here is the definition of Psychotrooper:

Psychotrooper: All investigators with 'GUILTY/NOT GUILTY' results are Insane while you are still alive.

Put two and two together. Yes, the psychotrooper makes results the opposite of what they should be.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Also, I assume you probably missed that Titus is not literally a godfather, she just interpreted her role PM as such.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

If you don't like talking with Wisdom feel free to talk to me! then ^_^

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Titus said investigations on her come up negative, we still don't know what negative referes to?

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

anyway the only thing that makes sense from what you said is that it was probably the odd night cop that sent the result to mof

do you pick who you send the result to?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Also

Insane Cop: Results are the opposite of what they should be.

Gee I wonder what a result "should" be on a godfather.

Either way, I personally wouldn't be opposted to a Titus lynch, but Wis is =/

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

that's not a bad point but i don't think they would know they're insane in order to do that

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

If we don't lynch Titus i wanna lynch Saint, i didnt like his trajectory wrt Vezok.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Nothing in this game would surprise me tbh

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

i dont really see the point of scum being a cop in the first place though, unless multiball

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Where did she claim what she was other then godfather?

Paraphrase: You and your hair are the roots of baffling sexcapades which no one believes to be true or understands. You come back negative to any investigation that is performed on you.

this is what she interpreted as godfather

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

We didn't choose you, we asked for town to know that we are innocent

does that mean nacho is town?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

mara

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Serial Fucking

Woot
Is this related to the dayfuck D1 or was that just something you came up with back then.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

That's not a Godfather, Titus.

Yeah it is. :S If a cop gets a positive on scum, then a negative says I'm town.

Paraphrase: You and your hair are the roots of baffling sexcapades which no one believes to be true or understands. You come back negative to any investigation that is performed on you.

Like this makes no sense how you come to this conclusion.
Negative results means scum not town.
When gork claim why didn't you clarify with the mod at all?
Nothing you said read as thinking about what your claim is but throwing gork's claim as crap instead

I think we all said that she thought that negative meant innocent (since a positive or false positive would mean scum).

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

negative means town if the results are in the form of guilty/not guilty (which seems to be the case)

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

nope, for us it says we are always seen around the dead (paraphrased)

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

No seriously I can't even imagine why someone would think....hmm the mod is talking about investigation results and I would be negative that must mean I come back town.
No seriously that thinking is so dumb I can't believe anyone is that dumb

wtf is dumb about it? If the results are guilty/not guilty, the positive one is "guilty" and the negative one is "not guilty" = "innocent". This doesn't require much brain.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

think of the cop investigation as a question to the mod. "Is Titus guilty?" "Negative."

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Didn't we immediately think negative meant scum?

However when you look at it, when you talk about "False Positives" means Being wrongly about someone being scum, which means that Positive = Guilty. Not sure if that's what went through Titus' head but it makes sense for me now. Regardless Titus claimed Serial Fucking something, why isn't anyone else commenting on that?

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Im just going to sit here fiddling my thumbs while people ignore the fact that titus claimed 3rd party

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

meh you have a point there. sakura is insisting titus is third party too, which would explain why she looks like town.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

i was going to say "in a bastard game with questionable sanities" but then her role would probably override the sanities and it would be impossible to have a guilty on her, so meh

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Serial Fucking Monogamist with a Filthy Mouth

^
Here

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

sakura thinks her claiming serial something looked like a serial killer

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Yeah, and serial killers usually come up as guilty to cops so they do need some invest protection. Also they mostly play as town which explains why wis was townreading her.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Heh WN is probably hardcore defending Titus for towny points because she's not on his team

lol. called it

sure, stop, and when she flips town you better get me vigged too because i obviously was scum WKing her

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

I wanted to clarify with wis if he's ok with the vote since he's the one that removed it.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

though, if she's an SK, where is her kill?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

But is that even a third party claim?

I think so, she probably switched Kill with fuck or something in the excuse of "paraphrasing" but note that it doesnt say commute anywhere

~Sakura

PEdit: Actually... didnt think about that.

[White Narcissus]

Yay he agreed

Unvote
Vote: Titus

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Why not ask the mod instead of us?

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

You are holding us back from what should be an obvious lynch.

Where am i doing that?

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

and im pretty sure you should die as soon as possible because each and every post you make is annoying

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

what do you think is the purpose of always giving negative results when you're already town anyway?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

dude ffs. Town = Commune, Antitown = Anticommune. Don't start with your bullshit again.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

but gork got guilty, meaning your ability doesn't override sanities

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

he's not lying

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

I am 100% sure though that commune will not appear next to Titus's flip, solidifying my theory on the set-up

Well it wasn't included in her claim either.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Town's full of dumb people

>_>

Sorry not sorry

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Titus stop whinging you're being lynched because of a guilty not some perceived meta.

^ thats bullshit. You can't blame anyone in this game for your lynch (if you're actually town, which I doubt) except the guilty. Seriously.

You can't sign up for a bastard game then whine about "All the setups being broken"

reminder that scum are here, using guilty as an excuse

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

also titus couldn't obvtown harder and you're all stupid if you're not seeing it

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

mara my hopes rest with you. You're probably the only one who saw Titus was town. Try not to let scum continue running the town. I will probably die one way or another because "omg guilty", so do what you can.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

[White Narcissus]

oh really? stating the obvious is bad?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Seriously, everytime i scumread titus she flips town and everytime i townread her she flips scum.
I'm just gonna start reading her in reverse now.
Moving on

Vote: Saint

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

didnt sakura say she was scumreading titus?

I did, im talking about D1 where i was townreading her, I dropped it after i saw 2 guilties and one of them being incorrect on us, so i figured yours was the correct one, so technically i wasn't scumreading her, but rather following your guilty.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Oh wait right titus flipped universal miller. That doesn't make sense.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Death miller?

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Oh wait right titus flipped universal miller. That doesn't make sense.

~Sakura

No she didn't?

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... Idea_Mafia
#53. Wrong Place at the Wrong Time Townie (Universal Miller)
I'm just wondering whether Bastard means that Death Miller is included in Universal Miller, then again I have never seen a Death miller so i dont know if they'd flip "Town -Insert Something Here-" in red or "Mafia -Insert something here-"

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

the only thing i know is that death miller is town that flips scum.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

You're the one that's saying that titus doesnt make sense as an scum flip, based on their flavor name.
So i'm trying to figure out the reason.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I'm still just unsure. I doubt the scum group are the repubdickans. Just because he didn't flip anti-commune...I mean fuck. I don't know.

I only read this and tried to figure out why.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Sigh..
I guess i just don't know anything about the flavor of the game that much, and what Fresh was commenting on Titus role not making sense and being on either side of the coin, i started of thinking out why considering she flipped universal miller.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I think universal miller means "tracked to kill, seen visiting dead person by the watcher, fbi guilty, gunsmith guilty, cop guilty, etc"

That's what it means on GIM yes, anyway im dropping this line of questioning, i misinterpreted fresh's words and that's why i was trying to figure out if death miller was included in universal here since it's a bastard game.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I can sheep that

Unvote
Vote: Xtomx

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

you also have only seriously pushed pisskop and it reads pretty insecure
and wn on a guilty while seriously trying to push that my guilty was bad.

I didn't like your guilty. And the simple fact that you yourself admitted that your guilty wasn't what it was supposed to be you basically got lucky. Titus would have come guilty to anyone period.

^
Here's titus and xtoxm's partner.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

This vote count says otherwise.

Vote Count Final

Titus (12) - Gorkington, Farside22, curiouskarmadog, spiffeh, Xtoxm, Slobberknocker, St Constantine, masters of fart, Imperium, White Narcissus, Jaqen Hghar, Titus

Saint (2) - Oversoul, Anenien
Voidedmafia (1) - Loranthaceae
White Narcissus (1) - Saint
St. Constantine the Hermit (1) - Voidedmafia

Not Voting (5) - dramonic, Fresh, Profgessor Emotion, TheIrishPope, ZZZX

With 22 Alive, it takes 12 to Lynch

Activity Check - Seeking replacement for TIP

-------------------------

It is now Twilight, that will last until I say so.

Day 1 you voted town.
Day 2 you voted town instead of scum.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Isn't it WEIRD though that i've been pushing you ALL GAME and you INSTANTLY start a wagon on me at the start of this phase?

Is it weird that i also pushed you at the start of Day 2 for your weird trajectory on Vezok before all the guilty related stuff started?

~Sakura

P-Edit: And why are you even bringing this kind of stuff up?

[White Narcissus]

I find it funny that you're mad about being a vanilla townie, when im a negative utility role and im not complaining

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Yeah, sorry Gork, but i prefer this today, unless there's something on Saint or Xtomx that makes me change my mind.

Unvote
Vote: Saint

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Also i haven't talked with Wis yet, so im hoping to sync up soon.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Maybe, but i find your whole string of AtE fake, not only im a negative utility role, we also had a scum universal miller, those roles are infinitely worse than a VT and you don't see people crying about them like you are

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

my strategy in larges as a townie is survival until lategame and then building big cases on people. if i'm not allowed to do that, whatever. loss for the town by losing my mind.

This doesn't make any sense

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

hai

i still don't like spiffeh or xtoxm. Saint still looks town to me, but eh. I am not as confident as I was with Titus, and that was wrong, so whatevs.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Well for one I'm thinking about Saint. I'm thinking about how Saint was one of my top townreads early day 1. Then I think about Titus who I said the same thing about. And then that flip. And now my brain is on drugs.

also it's probably because this thought process matches my own, but this makes me continue liking fresh

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

I only have questions.

(1) What the fuck is

Commune Reformed Evangelicalist

as a Role?

(2) Where did Jaqen's Vig Kill go?

(3) Why do some people think that Titus flipped Cummune (town)? Her name and Role PM was written in red and this seems to decide the question.

(4) Does

"Bible Trumping"

belong to the

"Republican"

faction as Nightkill Flavour?

this is so annoyingly dumb that i unintentionally keep writing it off as town

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

who claimed that role (1) ?

prof flipped that

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Isn't it WEIRD though that i've been pushing you ALL GAME and you INSTANTLY start a wagon on me at the start of this phase?

no. She has been expressing you are scum since forever, even if I don't agree.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

eh. That claim from xtoxm makes me feel somewhat better because there

is

probably a tracker around given our role, but I guess it could also be a scum tracker.

xtoxm, flavor?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

included is how titus allowed saint to do nothing but ika and tip were scum for it

to be fair ika has a scum meta of doing nothing and her TIP scumread was basically sheeping Mara, so I don't think that's very telling

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

So we have "confirmed scum" on three people, me, Saint and Sakura. Hmm.

When did Saint get confirmed scum????

No. Over soul has a guilty on Saint possibly. I was highlighting only I got votes.

OS is claiming a guilty on Saint.

I think this insistence that Saint was caught could possibly point to him being her scumbuddy. She also never voted him.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

loran = jogger, i guess you meant zzzx

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

After a long talk with wisdom im about 95% sure Saint is scum.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

It's just that her continued posts about Oversoul claiming a guilty on Saint looked like she believed Saint was caught. Titus is like that, if she got the idea of "shit, Oversoul caught Saint" at the start of the day, then she probably treated it like a fact onwards.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

You're right, that would pretty much tell the self-watcher who the vanillaizer is.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Saint didn't mention who vanillized him, just that he was vanillized. Same with Gorkington.

Not my point.
How would any vanillaizer have known that the self-watcher couldn't see who targeted them and only that they got targeted? Saint never mentioned this D1, so anyone wouldn't have any way of knowing that would happen.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Actually if Gork didn't have a result because he was vanilla-ized then it makes sense that Saint wouldn't have a result either.

Saint said he saw someone visit him but couldn't see who.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

No ask Saint his flavor first.
Or did we do that?

I'll check just in case, but i second this notion

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

my flavor last night was that someone visited me but i couldnt tell who because i still had the gimp mask on. the gimp mask was stolen from me, or the person took it off. my flavor HAD BEEN something I wasn't sure was town, so i was honestly worried I was 3rd party (someone mentioned a backup serial killer), a traitor, or something like a survivor ... i hate playing roles like that

but after last night, i was changed to green from black, meaning i am now a VANILLA FUCKING TOWNIE.

This is the closest thing to it, but it looks related to his self watch than his vanillize

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

So mara was also a cop?

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Regardless tho Saint did claim to have seen someone visit him but not knowing who.
Gork claimed to be unable to get any inspect results at all.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

We also claimed Gravedigger since like our first post, but I guess ppl forget it so we're doing it again.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

jaqen is still pretty damn town.
yay.

Well obviously, Jaqen's been town ever since he didnt buy the BS MoF has been spouting.
@Jaqen: Did your partner literally not send a target or are you just assuming that?

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

And tell me if you're vigging me because I'm claiming if you are.

Ditto

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

You claimed already.
Or are you just supporting me? If so thx boo

I've only claimed the gravedigger part of our role, I haven't claimed anything else, but if im gonna be vigged i do have some info that may help and part of that info pertains to the possibility of Saint being scum.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

You claimed already.
Or are you just supporting me? If so thx boo

I've only claimed the gravedigger part of our role, I haven't claimed anything else, but if im gonna be vigged i do have some info that may help and part of that info pertains to the possibility of Saint being scum.

~Sakura

Ah- well if you're town, and you have info that will help us, and you've already claimed why are you holding that info?

It's not 100% accurate, i hadn't even realized the fact that it could've pointed towards a possible Saint guilty until wisdom found Titus posts about Saint being a guilty. Which is why i said im 95% sure Saint is scum.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

The thing is that if i out the info of how we do it, then scum will be able to prepare a defense for it. But if we're gonna die then i might as well

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I'll ask you a quesiton to see if you can see where we're coming from.
Imagine Saint and Titus and you are part of the same scumteam, and you send Saint to make the night kill, when day opens your kill hit someone else, what's the first thing that comes to your mind?

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Exactly, but what would be the first role that would come up to your mind? Specially with the info that your kill is supposed to be bible thumped out in the open now?

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Redirector or bus driver

So who would that scumteam be looking for D2? If they assume redirector, then they will probably know that a certain person targeted their kill (still assuming Saint) and would technically have a guilty on him, granted this would Saint's actions about yelling about someone visiting + Titus believing someone had a guilty on Saint make sense?

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Your role makes sense with a role found in Greater Idea Mafia called Conspirancy Theorist.
If there are Aliens and they are based on GIM's Aliens then their factional kill is 1-shot.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Sakura if that's true then maybe that's why Jaqen's kill "failed"?

I have info to belive this might not be the case. But that's also based on the flavor you provided.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

So @Jaqen: do you see where i'm coming from about Saint?

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Titusscum would probably analyze and dissect what could have happened continuously until she died. But I don't get how she would have known who redirected the kill. I've been redirected before and I've never been informed about who did it. Maybe I'm just not understanding what you're trying to say.

Not who redirected the kill, but who was redirected, obviously the scumteam would be trying to fish for who altered the direction of the kill, because said person would probably appear with a guilty on whoever made the kill, and Titus believing OS had a guilty on Saint seems to fit that.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

What do you think about Spiffeh? Oh yeah, I need to quote all that gender stuff.

I haven't liked him since D2, he hopped too soon with MoF making a wagon on me before the guilty was outed for apparently no reason, but his claim does make sense with some info i have. I honestly never understood what was going on with that neighborhood stuff, idk what about the gender thing makes him scum.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I had already noticed that announcement, i just hadn't commented on it since the mod never formally announced him being replaced from here (tho they already did in the replacement request thread). Also does anyone know what that post right before MoF's is about? is that loran?

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

@Aneninenen: We know there are 4 kill flavors in this game and we've only seen 2 of them, i wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the possibility. One of the flavors we know of fits the description of the aliens Spifeh mentioned (It's called Anally violated or smth, the other missing one is defunded but i have nfi what it belongs to).

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Where was that info?
I must have missed it.

By we i meant our hydra.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Also I should probably stop posting, Wis is gonna get mad at me :<
I really need a break from Mafia

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I'm just confirming of the possibility of that alien faction existing due to the info we have.
It's still perfectly possible for spiffeh to be scum in another scumteam.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Oh also

The Sakura Hana head of this hydra will be V/LA until friday, possibly sooner

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

jaqen, "he" is very often the default gender used for someone whose gender you don't know. Same for "guy". It's not a slip, especially while you don't know that your neighbor is scum.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Conspiracy Theorist:
During the Night, you may PM me the name of another player. You will receive You believe NAME to be GUILTY if that player is aligned with the Aliens. You will receive You believe NAME to be NOT GUILTY if that player is not aligned with the Aliens. You will receive No result if your investigation failed.
Tentacled: You will investigate as "GUILTY" to other Alien investigators.

This is what Spiffeh is claiming, essentially. Interesting that Titus's role was also from Greater Idea, as well as the Psychotrooper that was discussed earlier.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Since Sakura outed we know the other killing flavors;

The next person whom makes a case starting with, "Titus wouldn't...," is going to be the target of the Sogliano Cavour factional kill tonight.

I thought this was probably going to be "Anally Violated", and it would probably be cultafia of sorts

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

it's a bastard game, zzzx.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Also, I can't see any hint for having anything investigative in Progfessors' claim. Yet again, their role is from the Greater Idea Mafia page.

profgessor's wasn't from greater idea

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

There probably isn't a psychotrooper, given Gork is a cop for some faction other than Titus', yet correctly received guilty on her being a miller (unless being a universal miller trumps the psychotrooper, I am not good at resolution)

Speaking of which, gork, what faction are you a cop for?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Reformed Evangelicalist

this is not evangelistic townie

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

aneninen, Prof's role was to ask for the mod to fulfill a wish or something. They said so themselves yesterday, after they had asked for the town to know they are innocent in N1

Huh

Got to nachos post, guess it did work!

We didn't choose you, we asked for town to know that we are innocent

So yesterday they instead asked for TIP's alignment to be known, and Imperium received the answer again.

Though it's interesting why it was Imperium receiving it both times.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

I read your claim, though there hasn't been a SK kill yet. It could possibly be the "defunded" flavor that is still missing, though.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

i dont see why they wouldn't be able to make up a flavor for it

anyway that's irrelevant given there probably isn't one

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

My result was an inno on void

[White Narcissus]

yeah but mara specifically said they didn't

choose

Nacho to receive it

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

and yet both results went to him

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Hi. Don't expect me to say much for these few days tho, im going to be busy.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Hi guys

I am town

I will not read the game

Hold me hand and help me

We are town
Saint is 95% scum.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p7204870 this post and everything after should also get you started

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

ms I see you're not sure who to vote. Wanna join us on Saint?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

No, she's saying that the scumteam believed Saint was redirected and believed Oversoul was the redirector and that was why he was pushing Saint. Titus acted like she believed Saint was caught.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

with dgb in here we now have the top 4 posters of the site in the same game!

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

nah. He just alternated things that are both neutral.

There is something better, Saint.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Curious: am I part of the 4?

yep!

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

that reminds me

In Greater Idea, the Vanillaizer is also of the Alien faction.

Maybe here too.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

i thought xtoxm was a tracker, not a watcher?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

also i don't appreciate you begging for your life. Let them shoot whoever they want.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

is stalker an actual role? i thought it was flavor for tracker, but someone said it was tracker+watcher apparently

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

@Gork: Stalker is watcher+tracker, usually. Alternatively, it can be someone who knows the type of action used, but not the target.

isn't the latter a follower?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

And WN. Did you not see my open question to you or did you just decide not to reply to it or are you thinking about my doubts?

man I was townreading Saint for the same reasons as you and I have said so many times. But Titus being sure he was caught takes priority over my gut, especially regarding a player I am not familiar with.

As for why they claim vanillaized, it's probably because they did get vanillaized, especially if I am right and the vanillaizer is an alien.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Agreed, the reason I think it's most likely an alien is because they're an alien role in Greater Idea, and we've already seen connections to that setup in this game.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

shos

you're making me paranoid that you don't want to vote saint and are trying to push an alternative

at least say so

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

at best Constantine is some third party we can always deal with later, dude.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

you haven't been reading very closely, zzzx

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

We are an even night amnesiac cop.

[White Narcissus]

A few people aren't really reading closely this game.

then they shouldn't make implications.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

._.

can all the "saint is a good lynch, but i will vote X instead" stop so we can consolidate on Saint?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

no he isnt

[White Narcissus]

On top of it all, I really think Saint is town.

=/
The continous asking is already getting borderline rolefishing.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Like I even made it obvious with all we talked about previously, but not obvious enough for scum to pick up on it.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Fits with what i know of waynegg.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Also Jaquen and Spiffeh are gonna be mad at me

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Sigh... if i eat a NK because of this then ok, this game's been a pain to me anyway.
We redirected the N1 kill towards flubber.
(Also we tried to redirect Jaquen towards Spiffeh N2)

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Ugh, im dozing off, i'll probably explain more tomorrow since we've already come this far, or wisdom will, idk.
Too tired right now

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

WN targetted Flubb directly (made the factional kill), Fartboy Tracked her to the kill (hence why his guilty seemed to come with a pinch of salt yesterday), and now she's concocting this redirect thing to cover for why Fartboy saw her target Flubb N1.

this doesn't make sense for multiple reasons

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Anyway, Sakura really didn't have to claim, but since she did, let me explain.

Like we said, we know of the four killing flavors ("Bible Thumped", "Gunned down", "Anally Violated", "Defunded").

Each night we can choose one of the flavors, and redirect it to another target. However we have to go through all of them before choosing the same one again.

N1 we redirected Bible Thumped to Flubber, and N2 we redirected Gunned down to Spiffeh.

This means that scum knew their kill got redirected. However, scum would expect a regular redirector, namely one that targeted the scum member that they sent to make the kill. That's where Titus being sure Oversoul caught Saint comes in. We think Titus thought Oversoul was the redirector that fucked with their kill, and therefore knew Saint was the scum killer.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

On the neighbor thing;

I think that Fresh not having outted until now points to him being scum. When I watched Jaqen posting his shit about genders or about Fresh not submitting the kill, I thought that had I been his neighbor, I would definitely speak up instead of staying silent. Fresh instead didn't say a word, because he was afraid of being identified as Jaqen's neighbor.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

no, I'm saying

-Titus sends Saint to do the scumkill
-Scum kill gets redirected to Flubber
-Titus says "fuck, someone redirected Saint, therefore that someone knows Saint is scum now"
-Oversoul votes Saint in his first post
-Titus says "fuck, there's the redirector."
-Titus then acts like Oversoul has a guilty on Saint.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

White is scum. Why would town redirect factional kill to a townread. Lolll

because he wasn't a townread

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

i had a different kind of guilty.
titus flipped something which didnt match what i had on her.
so i was either a cop for something that doesnt exist or this is multiball.

gork what are you a cop for?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

were, anyway

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

maybe he didn't because you weren't doing it?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

though from jaqen's description I am understanding that you're submitting the vig to the mod rather than in your thread, so how do you know if he submitted or not?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

In my opinion, that'd make this dual gun of ours either both town or both scum of different factions.

this is a slip

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

you haven't been reading very closely, zzzx

~Wis

Perhaps. That is true.

However I went for the skim instead of in depth read. This is going alittle too fast to read indepth. But that doesnt mean am lost.

No, it meant you were accusing us of knowledge about the alien faction when you had missed both the alien cop claiming and us talking about their kill flavor we know about

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Um WN why would you still redirect the kill to me after Titus flipped scum?

what Titus flipped didn't matter to me, you were scummy was what mattered.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

In my opinion, that'd make this dual gun of ours either both town or both scum of different factions.

this is a slip

~Wis

Anyway, do I need to explain this, or is it obvious Fresh claimed scum here?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

He said they're either both town or both scum from different factions

He can't be town and think that they're the latter

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

What did I misunderstand? You said that you're either both town or both scum from different factions, didn't you?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

@Spiffeh he had been truthful enough until I was outed that it didn't need me to come play cleanup.

this is bull as well, he was assuming you are scum and pushing people like Spiffeh based on that, you call that being "truthful" from your pov?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

I don't get it. So you're saying that a double gun

in general

would be a town/town or scum/other scum?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

that'd make this dual gun of ours either both town or both scum of different factions.

because that "of ours" clearly shows you're referring to this specific dual gun, in this specific game.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

@Spiffeh he had been truthful enough until I was outed that it didn't need me to come play cleanup.

this is bull as well, he was assuming you are scum and pushing people like Spiffeh based on that, you call that being "truthful" from your pov?

~Wis

The only stretch of truth he stated before I was outed was explaining our lack of vig last night. He failed to mention deadline passing. And I don't know if he actually submitted but he claims to have.

then him calling you scum was truth then, I take it. ok

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

then it raises the probability that the gun would be either town/town or scum/scum over it being town/scum.

but how can it be scum/scum if you know yourself town?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

anyway even if it wasn't a slip, Fresh is scum.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

In the previous game I played with him he was in my face because he got a noresult on me as a cop and kept pushing it despite any possible explanations he got, here he is shy and stays silent while jaqen not only accuses him of being scum but also scumhunts based on Fresh being scum? I don't fucking buy it.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Btw if we believe that the Aliens only have one NK in this game, wouldn't it make sense if one of them had partial control over the vig?

i could see that

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

It's not in line with your personality, is the point.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

"no result" could be explained with lots of different roles, yet you refused to listen to reason because you had something and wanted to push it.

A person who did the above would not stay silent while his neighbor keeps calling him scum and looking for his scumbuddies in the thread.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Also Flubber is town and so is Voided prolly

~Wis

yeah you can get rope soon please.

count how many posts it is from that to n1

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

then why do you keep saying that Jaqen was truthful? Did you not read Jaqen insisting that you are scum and even pushing Spiffeh based on that?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

dram Jaqen is not scum, ffs.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Quote for me where he declares I am scum before I am outed and I will respond. Its just suspicion. He would have outed me and voted me sooner if he really believed I was scum.

seriously? In like all of his posts he took it for granted you are scum. His Spiffeh push was based entirely on you being scum with him.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Aliens only have 1-shot kill in Greater Idea, yeah.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Dude he pushed Spiffeh on literally the fact he used a "he" for you. Is that not "believing" you are scumbuddies?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

I'd still prefer to lynch Saint today.

same

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

I guess there's a chance this is all Fresh having not read closely, which is annoying because I always assume everyone has read as much as I have, so meh.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

that's hardly an excuse for arguing that jaqen has been "truthful" when he has continuously been calling you scum.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

you don't say. I'm saying that even if you didn't read closely there's no fucking way to miss something so big and go "okay jaqen has been truthful".

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Especially given you're supposedly trying to figure Jaqen out so you are supposed to be extra interested into what Jaqen is posting

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

obvioustown to you maybe. He didn't look like town-flub to me and Sakura wanted him gone because she always scumreads him.

I want to know if that faction you detect makes sense with "defunded" and whether that faction is likely to exist.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

I'm always paranoid of Flubber.
I honestly have no idea why Wis decided to cover for me, the flubber redirect was my choice, but we're bound to get NK anyways since scum wouldnt want our role around, or even jaquen, We've known we had our days counted since the D2 fake guilty, and I've been trying to do something to help find scum with what little we have left, if saint flips town feel free to do whatever with us, but we're certain that he's scum.
Or lynch us today and after we flip town lynch him.
Redirect towards Spiffeh was because of how quick he jumped after MoF's post so we thought he was the one sending fake guilties, and figured if he flipped would clear us.
I've made horrible choices this game, and expect to be lynched anyway.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Dw WN I will proclaim the good news of your townitude and you will be redeemed

Don't even bother =/
The town flip will speak for itself anyway, and then we will be forever forgotten because "Oh wis killed his townread, why would we trust their reads", and then blame us.
That's how it always goes wherever i'm involved.
I've reached my dgaf mode.
I should just stop playing mafia.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

he isnt

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

yeah, he's waynegg's alt

also we aren't scum and it should be obvious

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

why would i apologize? You scumread her, I townread her, you happened to be right. So what?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

nope, as I said yesterday, as scum I would definitely deathtunnel on someone else and try to present him as a better lynch than Titus.

You have recent experience of that.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

blah blah

im not scum and you're not ever getting me lynched, so make yourself useful instead of annoying me

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

because im scumreading them most likely

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

So NOW you do believe us what we told you yesterday?


~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Gork's argument with WN is silly. It's not like they redirected the kill onto a strong town player for -insert some porn god's name's- sake.

Though I will admit that a grave digging, redirector, who knows of four different factional kills feels a bit odd even for a trouser god's game.

But, yeah, I don't know it's getting beyond too late for me right now.

Idk, apparently we're some sort of vampire.
Also it's not "redirector" it's specified as "Kill Redirector".
I was trying to pass it off as redirector to see if i could catch more scum, but wis didn't understood my plan since i went immediately to sleep.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

(who hasn't claimed btw does anyone else find that weird?)

I agree that it is weird btw.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

And if I were scum looking to stir some shit and could send guilty results to people, I would send a guilty result on Wisdom to Metal Sonic.

im starting to believe this at this point, especially if it's someone on titus's scumteam

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

unofficial vc;

Saint (9) - farside22, White Narcissus, Xtoxm, VoidedMafia, Spiffeh, Slobberknocker, Misaka Network, Jaqen Hghar, dramonic
White Narcissus (4) - St. Constantine, Gorkington, Saint, Oversoul
dramonic (1) - DrippingGoofball
Fresh (1) - masters of fart
ZZZX (1) - Imperium

Not Voting (4) - curiouskarmadog, Fresh, ZZZX, Aneninen

11 to lynch

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

saint is voting us as of 3608

[White Narcissus]

you were already voting us

what is your read on saint?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

we haven't claimed it

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Edward Christian BellaGrey

~Wis