Three-Pronged Trouser God Mafia GAME OVER- Happy Ending?

[Fresh]

Hi! First post so

Vote: Jaqen

Oh and if we're claiming, I'm a penis.

And if we're roleplaying, then I'm a darker penis.

[Fresh]

FYI I am neither of those things.

But I am a dick in real life I'm told...

[Fresh]

Unvote

Vote: ZZZX

Too many posts for a day 1. Has to be scum.

[Fresh]

Unvote

Vote: ZZZX

Too many posts for a day 1. Has to be scum.

I thought ZZZX lurked as scum?

Town lurker I thought.

[Fresh]

Heads up to all. This game didn't start when our Gods first wanted it to and so since its now, I'm gonna miss like 4 days of this phase starting tomorrow so I will be V/LA til Monday.

I am super sorry for that. But I will play periodically when time allows today.

[Fresh]

Huck fydras.

[Fresh]

We didn't get a day start PM. You can't expect kindness from these dick loving Gods.

[Fresh]

Does every lynch result in the player dying of auto-erotic asphixiation? Because then Oversoul would be lynchproof...because of being a chair.

[Fresh]

and you're taking that post seriously?

[Fresh]

Ok fellas. I'm on V/LA til Monday. Will try to pop in from hotel or phone when I can.

[Fresh]

Checking in from my V/LA. Glad to see this isn't 80 pages deep already so I know catching up won't be too terrible when I get back.

Also I'll pull my vote until I get back.

Unvote

[Fresh]

Last night we returned from Vermont. I will be catching up with this throughout the day,.

[Fresh]

Still catching up. I re-read up to where I left for vacation as well as the last 2 pages just in case I needed anything pertinent. But I like Titus, Farside, and Saint as my 3 biggest townreads in no particular order.

I didn't like Prof before I left on vacation so still reading to see if that changed. I don't totally scumread oversoul but I don't like his vote.

[Fresh]

Happy Birthday Flubber! Also you're one hell of a townread. Probably at the top of my list now.

Prof has moved out of my immediate scum. I can't back up how I felt before. Or just too much spam between posts by other players. Sorting my top scumreads and voting soon.

[Fresh]

So one of the players I wanted to vote for was Oversoul but it was more about votes and not actual play so I'm going to ease back on that read.

pisskop was my other debate. I felt as I was catching up that I was reading him as scum for the wrong reason. When he seemed uncooperative, that isn't a scum tell as I've learned. But when I do an ISO, the vibe I'm getting gives me scumfeels for different reasons more like we've got him and he's trying to 'town' his way out of being center of attention. I think presently its the best vote to have right now.

Vote: pisskop

[Fresh]

I'm being called opportunistic because I spent 5 full days away and had to read 50 pages again. The power of opinion!

Whoever asked me for scumreads, Oversoul, Prof, and Gork are all closer to the scum side of null for me.

[Fresh]

Not sneaking, was called out shortly after posting.

[Fresh]

@Flub, nope.

@spiffeh I will elaborate for you tonight or tomorrow promise. I'm literally 15 minutes from leaving for a work event and will not sort through the ISO for you right now.

[Fresh]

@Spiffy, honestly there isn't much worth quoting. Its an ISO full of spam and voting without real reasoning, something you're accusing me of voting for. So maybe we're teammates then? But I see a scumread.

[Fresh]

What am I evading? Its the first day and I like almost nothing you post? Fix that ok

[Fresh]

Well that happened quickly.

I am not scum. Bad wagon.

I said already why I scumread Oversoul.

My Gork was more on gut.

Prof I changed my mind on.

Flubber, Titus, Saint all townreads for me.

[Fresh]

Disappointing cuz you shouldn't be.

[Fresh]

I'll just be honest I haven't been trying that hard because I need to stop signing up for games with 20 day phase deadlines. Burns me out.

Still not scum though.

[Fresh]

So is Vezo really scum or just a counterwagon to try and derail pisskop? Because the only two players I really like on that wagon are White Narc, Flubber and Titus. Or are there just too many town players voting for piss because most of that wagon feels town to me.

[Fresh]

Fresh (2) - Spiffeh, Gorkington,
TheIrishPope (1) - Anenien
Progfessor Emotion (1) - TheIrishPope
Loranthaceae (1) - Voidedmafia
Titus (1) - ZZZX

Not Voting: curiouskarmadog, Imperium

So...lotta talk about day ending. So stuff needs to happen with that. Especially the last two.

[Fresh]

Oh and double especially Z. Titus is town. Get off of that if you're not V/LA right now.

[Fresh]

Oh and double especially Z. Titus is town. Get off of that if you're not V/LA right now.

Why do you think I am town? I have had a shitty weekend and did jackshit.

Rubbed me the right way when the day started. It was kinda like before I replaced out of FF7 but without all the bullshit that followed. I liked your reaction and it feels town.

[Fresh]

Please explain to me what "he's trying to 'town' his way out of being center of attention" means since you seemed to have understood it perfectly fine. I mean, wouldn't it make sense for town to also "town their way" out of something because they are...town?

Ideally, a town wouldn't have to town his way out of something. But it happens a lot when people make incorrect reads.

...

(sorry that was pointed at you)

But yea. I don't read pisskop as town. I can be wrong. But my vote stays because I need proven wrong.

[Fresh]

I read you as scum. You acted caught and since have tried to not look that way. Just my opinion. You don't wanna live in this head son.

[Fresh]

you have yet to show a lick of evidemce for this.

I stated during my vote. Because I didn't post a bunch of quotes from your ISO you and Spiffy wanna villify me for it. Fact is its this kind of reaction that keeps you right here. I think a town member who really thought my vote was total bullshit would just not even try to defend themselves against me and focus on one of the more scummy players you feel is on the wagon.

[Fresh]

the way youre talking here is as if every single town player should or would do this, which is a really really weird thing to push. why is scum more likely to do this? have you seen scum do what youre describing here?

Its not a push. Its just what I observe in my games.

Scum build cases. They spend more time misdirecting and pay more attention to detail. That's my experience. Color me rookie if you desire.

[Fresh]

I'll reserve my judgment on who I think is scum on this lynch until I see the final vote count. A bit of on and off towards the end. Scum activity.

[Fresh]

Catching up but two things to say.

1) Hate both of the hydra replacing out.
2) This is specifically @Gork. I believed Titus is town. And this is an advertised bastard game. Who is to say your guilty is legit because you obviously didn't check your own sanity?

[Fresh]

That being said, convince me a little more and you can have my vote.

[Fresh]

My reasoning for not following is more because of how I townread him instead of the bastard modification. Hence my openness for discussion about it.

[Fresh]

I was asked why I townread Titus.

He was attacked early on with the policy lynch crap and the way he responded lined up to play I've seen out of him before.

But now we have two players claiming they targeted Titus and are both voting for him. That changes things I guess.

[Fresh]

Oh by the way, when was WN ever really confirmed scum other than in the eyes of fart? I just realized last page fart asked for a vig on that. Its pretty scummy to want to take out a slot that others may feel town just because it needs replaced don't you think? What if its actually town and then the vig (if there even is another one) kills 2 towns so far?

I'm wrapping my head around this but my vote will probably end up on Titus. I really didn't want to. But its hard to ignore two guilty claims rather than one.

[Fresh]

When did Saint get confirmed scum????

[Fresh]

The way I'm reading things the only confirmed scum via a player outing info is Titus right?

[Fresh]

Not meaning to manipulate words. But basically two players believe based on info (or bastarding) that you're scum.

I doubt Oversoul has anything (could be wrong) but I find it more likely he opened play with the Saint vote just based on his beliefs from day 1.

[Fresh]

Bastard game + all the shit this game has produced = Titus' claim half believable.

[Fresh]

A Godfather reads town no matter who has it.
Don't get the rolecop miller thing Titus mentioned.
The reaction vote on Hermit I did not like.

[Fresh]

I do not know what those last couple points are but Oversoul can come in when he can. If we have guilties on Titus and WN, we need to sort out which one is the right one and can deal with Saint later.

[Fresh]

By right one I mean right one to lynch today.

[Fresh]

Vezo was lynched. Flub died.

[Fresh]

Here's a thought: Maybe Gork is both town and wrong at the same time?

[Fresh]

How fucking blind do you have to be to realize that I was not believing you. I don't like to play follow the cop until there's no other option.

[Fresh]

But anyway, I was withholding my vote until Oversoul posted because if there was indeed a guilty then we'd have 3 people claiming guilties.

Think about that if it were true.

3 guilties

In a bastard game.

So you can get off my ass for not voting because I'm actually trying to think.

And also, spotty activity from me going forward this phase because university kicked in and I'm swamped with my jobs.

Vote: WN

Before Gork even posted, MoF said this guy was guilty.

Preview Edit: I can vote and not vote whenever the fuck I please. Scum push. I think.

[Fresh]

I am not scum. Dumb.

I believed MoF. I honestly preferred that claim. There's no underlying special reason for it at all. You want to paint me as scum because I just had a belief Titus was town jesus fucking christ.

Now...I will change because this happened.

Titus, I am

convinced

that the sakira guilty is correct.

I am not an insane cop.

There is no way to know that if you used your action on WN. Unless you're not a cop at all which you could have said you're not a cop at all.

UNVOTE:

[Fresh]

It would have been nice of WN though or someone to check the votes. With Titus's self vote he's at L-1.

So ok. I'll hammer. Unless Titus unvotes. Because I fucking hate self-voting.

[Fresh]

Master of Fart said he had a guilty on WN. But he claims to not be an insane cop. How would he know that if an action was used on WN. I need clarification.

[Fresh]

Yo Void, stop and think about why I'd bring it up instead of just quoting and thinking I'm dumb.

If he used an action, then there's no proof he's sane.
If he used an action on himself for sanity purposes, then how does he have a guilty.

Gosh. I'm going back to work now.

[Fresh]

The spiffeh/WN back and forth is cute because I basically had the same questions asked to me and basically gave the same answers and it doesn't feel like spiffeh really gives a damn about that. So yea. Keeping a tab on that.

Oh and that's all I have to say right now. Fuck all the spam in the thread.

[Fresh]

There are better lies to claim than claiming Godfather...

[Fresh]

Fresh vote for someone you'd prefer to lynch then.

So many people are concerned with defending Titus without offering up alternatives (Fresh, WN until recently) which makes me think that Titus actually is scum.

Better idea. You can sit and wait for me to make that decision because more info (and apparently more spam) can come out. Because phases go weeks long (though I don't always want them to) and I don't need you to tell me what to do. Have a nice day!

[Fresh]

im not 100% confident in my sanity.

Technically since its a bastard game, you shouldn't have anything above 0% confidence if you didn't check yourself.

You could still be sane. But just saying...

[Fresh]

mara my hopes rest with you. You're probably the only one who saw Titus was town.

Um... (taps shoe. looks at watch)

Anyway. Assumably its lynch now we'll see what flips.

[Fresh]

Ok. So a guy who always investigates guilty is on the scum team? That sounds like a weakness to the scum team. I honestly don't know what to make of Titus flip because the write-up gives me thoughts that she could have been on either side town or scum. I say that solely on my experience with one of the mods AND the fact that the wrong place wrong time modifier from greater idea mafia is attached to a townie.

@fart, Jaqen said something about a vig. Wasn't that the gunned down one?

[Fresh]

Good point.

[Fresh]

Do you have commune aligned in your role pm?[/quote]

I'm still just unsure. I doubt the scum group are the repubdickans. Just because he didn't flip anti-commune...I mean fuck. I don't know.

I'm just saying that his role makes FAR more sense for a townie to have than a non-townie. I am ready to move on here and consider what's next. Suppose should wait to see if there's now a not guilty on WN.

[Fresh]

I messed up the quote above. The first sentence is supposed to be in it. Yes I am town are commune but the whole flip and write-up says Titus scum. But dat role tho

[Fresh]

Death miller?

~Sakura

Still, every town member has had commune with their flip. And Titus didn't.

[Fresh]

So is the guilty on WN something we're going to ignore?
Saint is bad too though I guess idc that much.

patience. Fart definitely acknowledged something. Just not around to respond. We can talk about other things while we wait.

[Fresh]

Well for one I'm thinking about Saint. I'm thinking about how Saint was one of my top townreads early day 1. Then I think about Titus who I said the same thing about. And then that flip. And now my brain is on drugs.

[Fresh]

Seriously though you do no scumhunting on your own but when guilties come up you argue them to the death.

It's p. scummy

You look scummy for picking out a player you think is weak and calling him scum for it.

[Fresh]

I respect your opinion and all but I know what I'm doing. And part of it is not listening to players who do nothing but criticize me which you've done more than once this game. If you think I'm scum, vote me. Do that or do something better. I'll watch the game and make my best decisions and right now its not voting yet and letting others chime in.

[Fresh]

You look scummy for picking out a player you think is weak and calling him scum for it.

In the exact post you quoted I gave a perfectly valid reason for why I thought you were scum. You resort immediately to AtE and OMGUS. Tell me how you think that looks to me.

You gave reason but DIDNT vote. Take a stand. I have everytime I voted and I've justified every time I haven't.

[Fresh]

Instead, you sheep the Xtomx vote despite your constant feelings on me. You've cracked my top 5. Congrats

P-edit. Gork, I didn't like either lynch so I didn't vote them. Deal with that as best you can ok.

[Fresh]

you also have only seriously pushed pisskop and it reads pretty insecure
and wn on a guilty while seriously trying to push that my guilty was bad.

I didn't like your guilty. And the simple fact that you yourself admitted that your guilty wasn't what it was supposed to be you basically got lucky. Titus would have come guilty to anyone period.

[Fresh]

why arent you voting right now.
who would you be voting for if you had to be voting someone.
are you normally this conservative with votes? if so, link games pls.

p-edit: what about my guilty didnt you like.

Read 2952. K thanks.

I don't link games. And yes I am conservative. You can find them.

We can agree to disagree on Titus. I townread her. Why I didnt vote. period.

[Fresh]

2nd time you've done that now btw.

You've cracked top 4!

[Fresh]

I'm done playing for today because life and because this isn't fun. I'll be back when I see what I SAID I WAS WAITING FOR. K thanks bye

[Fresh]

Catching up. All I've seen so far is Void asking me two questions that I don't need to answer because its dumb. About 4 more pages behind.

[Fresh]

Thought: IF you think your neighbor avoided killing your target, you could lynch it today. It wouldn't say much about your neighbors alignment but you could use that maybe?

[Fresh]

Also, I hope I don't fall behind more but its Labor Day and I'm grilling meat and drinking beer. So I dont expect to play past this morning.

[Fresh]

Catching up again. 4 pages back and two things I can say. #1 I wouldn't be surprised if many of the roles came from Greater Idea Mafia. 2nd, I can't believe Spiffy couldn't find Jaqen's answer. That was a waste of fucking reading.

[Fresh]

Still 2 pages behind. What if the other faction is a recruiting faction and not a killing one?

[Fresh]

Though it's interesting why it was Imperium receiving it both times.

~Wis

I have a remark on this from the other game you and I were in together that ended. When I replaced in, I chose a player I townread and sent results to that player twice. Based on gut. (I was amnesiac cop and sent to ZZZX). But after 2 days I did switch it up. And I died. Just a thought.

[Fresh]

I do not know then unless it was some flavor sort of demented hooker to pimp role mechanic? Lol

[Fresh]

@Anenien. But isn't that what meta is? Players play in other games. So many players use meta on this site.

[Fresh]

@Fart Master...Why haven't you answered this yet?

What happened with that guilty

[Fresh]

Are you guys reading what we post

Just kinda not fair that scattered through these pages are people asking you NUMEROUS times about it and when you finally address it, you actually refuse to. So yea that's a thing.

[Fresh]

More thoughts later when I have time to organize them.

But in all this talk, Jaqen hasn't told you that he didn't even get his shot in before deadline. I didn't submit because I didn't. But even if I had, it wouldn't of mattered.

[Fresh]

Ok.

no. He couldn't claim blocked. Anything that targets one of us gets results for both.

If one of us are scum, we will both investigate as scum.

If one of us are tracked to a target, we're both tracked.

If one of us are blocked, we both get the notification.

I have a more plausible reason though.

Jaqen, you are half-lying to everyone. Its definitely safe to assume that if we made a vig, we're both tracked. But the pieces I bolded were never confirmed in our PT by the mod and were never confirmed to me individually. Why did you just make that up? I was townreading you until that.

You see, there's a lot of discussion about multiple factions and I'm believing in it. In my opinion, that'd make this dual gun of ours either both town or both scum of different factions. That's just my opinion and how I want to play it. That's why I continued to read Jaqen as town. But now I'm really not so sure.

Since I am assumably not allowed to post any quotes, in post #81 I paraphrase what I wrote: If we're gonna vig we need to use it. And that post was already after the 48 hours had past. Our mods said it might have been a longer deadline but I'm talking like almost half a day after the fact.

14 hours later Jaqen then says lets shoot WN. Its the weekend. I don't even return until after the day phase has started.

On the neighbor thing;

I think that Fresh not having outted until now points to him being scum. When I watched Jaqen posting his shit about genders or about Fresh not submitting the kill, I thought that had I been his neighbor, I would definitely speak up instead of staying silent. Fresh instead didn't say a word, because he was afraid of being identified as Jaqen's neighbor.

~Wis

Actually, I'm fine with simply not having my role outed. Allowed it to go on because he was telling the truth in the thread for the most part. We did discuss a lot. He was testing me (as I was him) and we did do a lot of ISO'ing and discussing who might be a good target last night. We even assumed we probably wouldn't have another shot after this. Town knowing of a 2-man gun team are sure to end up going after one of them if not both. I felt I didn't need to speak up so long as Jaqen was being honest. Hence not revealing myself.

[Fresh]

though from jaqen's description I am understanding that you're submitting the vig to the mod rather than in your thread, so how do you know if he submitted or not?

~Wis

That is a truth. We submit separately. So if one of us does not submit or our submissions do not match then no kill goes through. I did not submit. Another white lie Jaqen said is that we came to an agreement. We didn't until after deadline. When deadline passed, we still had our lists to choose from. Jaqen did not confirm he was submitting the kill on you til after deadline passed.

And hell, after all this, I don't know how much is true.

[Fresh]

I don't know why you think that's a slip. Read it in context. That quote is exactly why I was townreading him. Read it again.

@Spiffeh he had been truthful enough until I was outed that it didn't need me to come play cleanup.

[Fresh]

You only quoted what you wanted to quote...

You see, there's a lot of discussion about multiple factions and I'm believing in it. In my opinion, that'd make this dual gun of ours either both town or both scum of different factions. That's just my opinion and how I want to play it. That's why I continued to read Jaqen as town. But now I'm really not so sure.

This clearly states my opinion about the gun based on a multi-faction game. Thus if its not then that can take away from my townread on Jaqen.

Bad attempt at a misrep but I appreciate the try. Also, why the heck were you scumreading Flubber?? He was like the towniest player day 1 period.

[Fresh]

@Spiffeh he had been truthful enough until I was outed that it didn't need me to come play cleanup.

this is bull as well, he was assuming you are scum and pushing people like Spiffeh based on that, you call that being "truthful" from your pov?

~Wis

The only stretch of truth he stated before I was outed was explaining our lack of vig last night. He failed to mention deadline passing. And I don't know if he actually submitted but he claims to have.

[Fresh]

I don't get it. So you're saying that a double gun

in general

would be a town/town or scum/other scum?

~Wis

I am saying that in my opinion if this were a multi-faction game then it raises the probability that the gun would be either town/town or scum/scum over it being town/scum.

And we are taking what you're saying about kill flavors to believe there are multi-factions yes?

P-edit #1 Dude, I'm scumreading you Spiff. So he can vote you all he wants. He was basing his read on me on your flip

P-edit #2 pronouns. Because we're talking about this game right? What are you not getting about this? If it were another game I'd say theirs.

[Fresh]

He didn't call me scum. He was trying to read me. But he didn't call me scum. He could have just voted me if he believed I was.

[Fresh]

Oh and here's the catch, I'm not scum! Woah!

[Fresh]

THAT'S MY FUCKING POINT!

[Fresh]

WN i think he meant that he believes he is town because of the factions but now hes not sure if it applies. eitherway it doesnt look like a slip from here.

By God this this this.

[Fresh]

And WN, give me a better answer than you didn't scumread Flub. Why Flub? Was sooooo town.

[Fresh]

I can be completely wrong about the town/town scum/scum town/scum thing. But I was trying to explain that it is under these contexts that I was choosing to have it play into my read on Jaqen.

[Fresh]

In that previous game my push was based on info. No result is info. I don't have info this game. Again, different context.

[Fresh]

Oh and lets not get started about meta...

[Fresh]

Fresh you still thought I was scum after my claim and WN basically confirming the Aliens?

I was still debating between you and Saint. I still haven't voted. A lot of that would be contingent on if WN is telling the truth.

[Fresh]

"no result" could be explained with lots of different roles, yet you refused to listen to reason because you had something and wanted to push it.

A person who did the above would not stay silent while his neighbor keeps calling him scum and looking for his scumbuddies in the thread.

~Wis

It was something IN A MULTIBALL GAME that was more than nothing. I pushed it because it needed pushed. You really don't know how I play at all. I don't have enough games here in which you can meta me or claim I have a personality type. Please.

[Fresh]

Quote for me where he declares I am scum before I am outed and I will respond. Its just suspicion. He would have outed me and voted me sooner if he really believed I was scum.

[Fresh]

There is a huge difference between hunting based on a feeling or hunting based on believing.

I wish you could see our private topic...

[Fresh]

He said if Spiff was scum I'd be scum and if Spiff was town I'd be town. And I told him in our PT that I didn't agree with him basing his judgment specficially saying I shouldn't be read one way or another based on his flip. If I was going to support a Spiffeh lynch it would have been because of my reads not his.

[Fresh]

I teach at two colleges and I have a fiance. I have a life outside of here that takes precedence.

[Fresh]

It wasn't an excuse. It was a response to your post saying I may not have read closely. I forgot to quote it.

[Fresh]

I'm telling you for the 2nd and hopefully last time that there's a difference between suspicion and belief and if you can't understand that then I can't have dialogue with you.

[Fresh]

I'm so behind. Life stuff tonight. Will catch up in the morning when the lady's at work and all I have to do is grade.

[Fresh]

Ok. Still reading. Everything about this game is secretive and bastard and based off greater idea. Titus should have never had wrong place wrong time cuz that's a role meant for a townie. We believe based off the mechanic that there's more than meets the eye to our role PMs

[Fresh]

Am I reading correctly that Saint claimed different from his claim or is that just interpretation?

[Fresh]

because trying to counterwagon us is not scum trying to do things

~Wis

This.

[Fresh]

Oh and I just did a VC from the mods last count. Aninen and Fart are both on. Jaqen isnt. So Saint is actually at L-1.

p-edit. had like 5 at one point on WN. maybe less now

[Fresh]

I don't have any objections to hammering now if you'd like.

[Fresh]

If WN really didn't vote Saint yet then its not a hammer.

But I'm guessing you're just wrong.

[Fresh]

Hermit read the damn quote. The post number is at the top of it.

[Fresh]

Sorry it was already said.

[Fresh]

Thank you mods and great game for all. Congrats town. I again played poorly so that's all I'll say about myself.

[Fresh]

Yes hydra for next one!