Three-Pronged Trouser God Mafia GAME OVER- Happy Ending?

[Spiffeh]

Catching up rn thanks for making it doable!

Massclaim is bad.
Don't like NakedJogger's post 91 where he RVS's when things are actually happening.
At least Anenineneneminen gave a reason for it.
Actually lots of people do it maybe it's not alignment indicative? I still don't like it personally.
Don't like Titus' self meta in post 145.
Gork is obvtown for all of his posts ever.
JK Titus is town for post 204.
Hate Jaqen's post 226. "Someone give me something to talk about" usually comes from newbs or scum in my experience, and Jaqen's posting does not indicate the former. I feel it was a bit of an over the top "I need to catch up" post.
Townread on White Narcissus for taking the words out of my mouth multiple times.

The rest I'll read more in depth later. RN I think scum are among the less active, but I can tell a lot of you will be difficult for me to read.
VOTE: Jaqen

[Spiffeh]

@Saint Why did you feel the need to claim?

(Reading the last half of the game now)

[Spiffeh]

Oh jk I see your explanation.

It's pretty bad though.

[Spiffeh]

Catch up part 2!

Don't like how Anen says he doesn't trust the miller claim but doesn't vote for Slob in post 371.
Oversoul is town.
Wtf is post 478, NakedJogger"]?
Don't like how NakedJogger posts to only clear his name in post 494 and say he has nothing to contribute. Clearly he is paying attention because he clarified his other post for ZZZXZXZXZX. This tells me he is more concerned with keeping his name out of it than finding scum!
Unfortunately there are a lot of lurkers/trolls so it's tough to differentiate them.
Farside is town.
Yeah Jaqen seems more concerned with speculating about Saint and the neighborhood shenanigans which is something easy for scum to talk about and seem helpful without actually giving their insight about the game. Cool with my vote on him.
Self watcher loses all of its usefulness (what little it has...) when it is public. Hate the claim.

All caught up! I am down to lynch a lurker because I am town reading most of the talkers. I'd prefer if we lynched Jaqen or NakedJogger out of them.

[Spiffeh]

The claim is pretty bad. A self watcher loses all it's usefulness if it's public...

[Spiffeh]

don't like spiffeh as much now. Your accusations are pretty shallow. Like, jaqen is more likely for thinking another neighbor is scum

~Wis

Ok I ISO'd Jaqen which made it easier to follow his confusing writing style. I agree that him "counterclaiming" the neighborhood claim is really town of him.

Also Nakedjogger's words at the end of 494 are not his, they are professor's. It was a quote fail.

If those weren't his words than why did he just quote and not write anything.

We mustn't talk about Titus I we have a guide on how to read her. Need to prioritize our efforts and time here or we're fucked instead of loved.

What are you doing Anen. I'd like contents from you.

What am I doing?
Playing very badly.
Frankly, I've been terrible in every single game for a month or two. And I don't know, why.

It's because you can timetrav and everyone else is jelly, so they have conspired against you

"Let's not talk about Titus but I will not offer a better avenue of discussion." Why try to stifle an ongoing discussion without an alternative?
VOTE: NakedJogger
Yay Gork is still town for saying this in literally the next post.

i disagree. it's a way to create a town circle.

Who do you think should target you to start the town circle then? I feel like cop and BG would have better targets.

[Spiffeh]

[Spiffeh]

BTW Metal Sonic are you the same Metal Sonic from Smogon?

[Spiffeh]

Oh cool I'm Spiffy on Smogon remember me?

We were scum together once!!!

[Spiffeh]

REMEMBER THAT GAME MS

[Spiffeh]

True it's ok I forgive you













maybe

[Spiffeh]

I also wouldn't be opposed to lynching the miller claim fyi

That vote up there seems off to me idk why

[Spiffeh]

Went what by 1000?

And who are you on Smogon?

[Spiffeh]

Aw thanks!

But why does that make you more suspicious of me?

And why can't you tell me who you are?

[Spiffeh]

Ugh Oversoul it's going to kill me trying to figure out who you are please give me a hint ;_;

[Spiffeh]

Hello I'm around ask me questions

Who is scum?

[Spiffeh]

Why aren't you voting for Voided then?

Do you think there are scum on your wagon? If so, who and why?

And please respond to this:

Oh there's a wagon on me cool

...Not sure if I should read as flippant town or trying-to-play-cool scum.

This is a scum post
Fence-sitting etc

I find that when scum don't know how to scumhunt they rely on stupid tells like this.

What's the etc refer to because fence-sit pretty much covers it. (And town are never unsure how to read a cheeky post >_>)

[Spiffeh]

Playing catch up again because you guys vomit posts when I'm sleeping yay!

Page 40

I looked through his games, and I

think

I saw a scumtell he popped.

if he flips.

There is literally no town motivation to not drop this. If people agree with you, your scumread (me) would be lynched faster, and if people don't agree with you then you'd see you're wrong about your read on me. Holding on to information like this does not benefit town at all.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. "Hey guys he dropped a scumtell but just trust me ok I will reveal it after he is lynched when it doesn't matter anymore." That makes no sense to me.
VoidedMafia's posts sound really fake to me. I don't know if there's anything to this or it's just his style.
Don't like TIP's post 1009 where he says that Day 2 or 3 will be easier with associative tells, but then says that he doesn't want to pressure anyone? This seems contradictory to me (how can we analyze flips well enough if we don't pressure?) and looks like an excuse for his lack of participation.
I think TIP is scummy but I'm also not a fan of his wagon. Is that weird?

TIP feels artificial
TIP feels fake

Can you gives some examples? I think he's scummy but not necessarily for these reasons.

VOTE: Professor Emotion

Ugh @ this slot. I start to feel bad for voting you then you pull shit like this. Please explain your vote.
Masters of Fart why do you think TIP is town specifically? I see you declaring him as town a lot but don't really see reasons why?
Starting to think MoF is pulling the "scum defending d1 mislynch" card with TIP by calling him super town because I find nothing redeemable enough about the latter to have that strong of a townread.
Seriously Gork stop taking the words out of my mouth you towny mfer.
Didn't ika say he was having internet troubles? What about the other head?

I'm most cool with a Loranthaceae lynch today so I'll leave my vote there.
Also willing to lynch MoF or TIF.

[Spiffeh]

TIP feels artificial
TIP feels fake

Can you gives some examples? I think he's scummy but not necessarily for these reasons.

Pls

[Spiffeh]

[Spiffeh]

Also Oversoul tell us who you are on Smogon

[Spiffeh]

@pisskop Ya know using self meta to defend yourself means that you are aware of your meta and can therefore manipulate it so you DON'T act like that as scum...

Loransagsgweadg is so bad that I don't buy the V/LA which sounds kind of douchey and relentless but it's frustrating that we'll have to twist his arm for some content.

@Xtoxm you seemed to be really eager for a Saint lynch because you thought his claim was bad but you let that go easily for a policy lynch of the ika slot. And now you're giving a summary of the game to that same slot which is busy work more than anything. Do you have any other scumreads thus far?

[Spiffeh]

pls answer

[Spiffeh]

Pisskop why haven't you revealed the scumtell that TIP popped?

[Spiffeh]

Please explain what the town loses by you revealing it?

I don't see town motivation in keeping it secret.

[Spiffeh]

^ @Pisskop

[Spiffeh]

It's getting increasingly difficult for me not to vote for pisskop.

But MoF is on the wagon which worries me.

[Spiffeh]

Ugh why are you all scum

[Spiffeh]

LOL no pisskop is town (mostly because his wagon's shit, not from anything he did) and Fresh that was like the most opportunistic shit I've ever seen.

VOTE: Fresh can we wagon this?

I can think of at least five votes better than pisskop.

Seriously the universal support should be enough for people to question it.

[Spiffeh]

Fresh can we have some other reads of yours so we can figure out your scumbuddies?

[Spiffeh]

What makes it premature?

[Spiffeh]

Is the vezok case strictly meta? It better be because I see no other reason for me to vote for him.

I will not accept "ika replaced out" as a valid reason.

[Spiffeh]

I'm being called opportunistic because I spent 5 full days away and had to read 50 pages again. The power of opinion!

Whoever asked me for scumreads, Oversoul, Prof, and Gork are all closer to the scum side of null for me.

Good misrepresentation! I never said a thing about your absence. You were being opportunistic because you jumped on the largest and talked about wagon with reasoning that was not specific and only served the purpose to make it look like you put some thought into it.

But when I do an ISO, the vibe I'm getting gives me scumfeels for different reasons more like we've got him and he's trying to 'town' his way out of being center of attention.

Give us specific examples of pisskop posts that made you feel this way.

And give reasons for all of your scumreads, please.

[Spiffeh]

Lol Action Dan hasn't posted in like a week.

[Spiffeh]

@Fresh

I'm being called opportunistic because I spent 5 full days away and had to read 50 pages again. The power of opinion!

Whoever asked me for scumreads, Oversoul, Prof, and Gork are all closer to the scum side of null for me.

Good misrepresentation! I never said a thing about your absence. You were being opportunistic because you jumped on the largest and talked about wagon with reasoning that was not specific and only served the purpose to make it look like you put some thought into it.

But when I do an ISO, the vibe I'm getting gives me scumfeels for different reasons more like we've got him and he's trying to 'town' his way out of being center of attention.

Give us specific examples of pisskop posts that made you feel this way.

And give reasons for all of your scumreads, please.

[Spiffeh]

I don't like either of these wagons. Pisskop is obvtown and there is nothing compelling enough for me about vezok.

Metal Sonic is the one person that I actually have experience with outside of this game on another site and even through his trolling he would have occasional bits of contribution as town. I am getting none of this here. He's just milling about and is zero help and it's disappointing me.

Here's more I said about the MoF earlier:

Masters of Fart why do you think TIP is town specifically? I see you declaring him as town a lot but don't really see reasons why?
Starting to think MoF is pulling the "scum defending d1 mislynch" card with TIP by calling him super town because I find nothing redeemable enough about the latter to have that strong of a townread.

So yeah I think he's a good lynch option today.

Other people I'm willing to lynch: Loran, TIP, Slobberknocker (solely because of miller claim), Fresh

Loran would be my number one pick now but he's on V/LA so my vote is no use there.
VOTE: masters of fart

@TIP any updates to your reads (or any reads at all? I don't recall any that you have stated)?

[Spiffeh]

pisskop was my other debate. I felt as I was catching up that I was reading him as scum for the wrong reason. When he seemed uncooperative, that isn't a scum tell as I've learned. But when I do an ISO, the vibe

I'm getting gives me scumfeels for different reasons more like we've got him and he's trying to 'town' his way out of being center of attention.

I think presently its the best vote to have right now.

You cannot say or mean the bolded without having certain posts in mind that made you feel that way. The fact that you don't makes me think you were being wordy to try and justify jumping on the biggest bandwagon.

And please give reasons for your other scum reads.

VOTE: Fresh hopefully a wagon starts!

[Spiffeh]

Fresh is scum so it's only natural for there to be a wagon on him.

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: pisskop

So when are we lynching this?

[Spiffeh]

Yeah I agree but they can't both be mafia!

That would be TOO easy!

[Spiffeh]

Don't get me wrong I'm happy with my Fresh vote atm

[Spiffeh]

Disappointing cuz you shouldn't be.

Do something to change my mind.

Yo MS do something pls

For me

[Spiffeh]

Other people I'm willing to lynch: Loran, TIP, Slobberknocker (solely because of miller claim), Fresh

This is actually pretty terrible, if anything I am extremely adverse to lynching slobber for the claim, and even more so with how he executed it

What is bad about this?
Anyway I didn't like the vezok wagon earlier because people jumped on him before he had a chance to do anything but now that he's had time I feel like he's more concerned about his own survival than hunting scum so I'd be willing to switch over when needed.

I still think Fresh and Loran at the very least are better options though.

[Spiffeh]

@Flubbernugget could you elaborate?

[Spiffeh]

Fresh provided an accurate summary to pisskop's reaction to his wagon and you're saying he's not allowed to do that because he didn't compile a quote wall for you

Nope he could have looked over the ISO again and given me post numbers which would have taken all of three minutes.
Ok here is the accurate summary you claimed he has provided:

But when I do an ISO, the vibe I'm getting gives me scumfeels for different reasons more like we've got him and he's trying to 'town' his way out of being center of attention.

Please explain to me what "he's trying to 'town' his way out of being center of attention" means since you seemed to have understood it perfectly fine. I mean, wouldn't it make sense for town to also "town their way" out of something because they are...town? Like I had said, it looked like a blanket statement just so he could have a surface 'reason' to hop on the largest bandwagon.

I found this post terrible for a variety of reasons, but what caught my immediate attention is what I had just explained. I cannot believe any sane town would vote slobber, or rather, I cannot believe that anyone who is actually scum hunting, can

Why not? Millers will have to die at some point anyway because we can't risk bringing them to LYLO. But still Slobber probably isn't even in my top

I think it's scummy that Imperium shows up to yell at the gamestate but does absolutely nothing to share their thoughts on why or how to improve it.
@Voidedmafia do you have a personal quarrel with Loran or do you actually think he's scum? Because I really can't tell right now.

The game seems to have devolved in two wagons I am not a big fan of. I am completely null reading Vezok but do trust most of the people using meta to read him, so I'm not COMPLETELY opposed to his lynch. But is Loran really off the table? Do people really think he's town based on his actions so far?
VOTE: Loran I don't want a majority on Vezok yet anyway.
Believe it or not Fresh's most recent posts seem townier to me despite his shit vote onto pisskop earlier. Loran has done ABSOLUTELY nothing. That's why a lot of people voted ika while he was in the game, so why give Loran a free pass?

Sorry this post was kinda wall-y.

[Spiffeh]

^^^

Slobber probably isn't even in my top five lynch targets.***

[Spiffeh]

@Profgessor I feel like I've been pretty expansive overall. Do you feel I have been focusing on it too much?

[Spiffeh]

Vezok who are your scumreads other than Pisskop?

[Spiffeh]

I think we should get Xoxtm.

VOTE: Xoxtm

[Spiffeh]

Which head are you?

[Spiffeh]

Ok I'm hungry
VOTE: White Narcissus

[Spiffeh]

But yeah I'm also not a fan of how WN handled the last part of the day.

Wis kept pushing for a vezok lynch but not once did I see him explain why vezok was scummy.

[Spiffeh]

I don't selfvote... as much anymore at least. I don't care if you're pushing me,

go ahead call the whole town if you want

.

~Sakura

This is odd phrasing. If you're town wouldn't you expect scum to also jump on your wagon?

[Spiffeh]

MS who else is scum?

[Spiffeh]

Wait does someone have a guilty on Titus y/n?

[Spiffeh]

VOTE: Titus
WN should be vigged so mod doesn't have to find a replacement for them and they are also scum so win/win.

[Spiffeh]

^ What's stopping scum from doing the same thing? If you're town you're just giving scum an excuse to say "oh yeah I'm doing that too" which makes it harder to pin them down later on.

At least explain your vote.

[Spiffeh]

Titus who is scum?

[Spiffeh]

Titus why are you voting for MoF if from your perspective Gork is 100% lying.

Also wouldn't a "Godfather townie" just be a...townie?

Not buying this claim and I don't know Void is.

[Spiffeh]

But isn't "Godfather Townie" redundant?

I assume it means a townie that comes up town on inspection which is what a regular townie is.

[Spiffeh]

Yeah I definitely feel that there's some weird ass sanity shit going on with these cop claims/guilties.

Still not a fan of Titus' claim or reaction to Gork's guilty so she's probably still the best lynch but I could also be persuaded to vote WN.

[Spiffeh]

^^^^^ Titus scumbuddy?

[Spiffeh]

^ Refuses to listen to cop guilties and yet has provided no scumreads of his own.

Let's vig this pls

[Spiffeh]

Fresh what makes the WN guilty more believable than the Titus guilty?

[Spiffeh]

Actual question because I don't know: Would town Titus make that mistake?

[Spiffeh]

^ There are more

[Spiffeh]

Slobberknocker claimed miller iirc

[Spiffeh]

I wanna be in an orgy ;_;

[Spiffeh]

WN explain to me why you believe Titus is town.

[Spiffeh]

WN you keep defending Titus but you aren't voting anyone else so it really just looks like you don't care who's lynched and want to get your scumbuddy out of a tough situation.

[Spiffeh]

Maybe I am more concerned with WN right now because someone has a guilty on them?

[Spiffeh]

Titus' Constantine push is p. bad too imo

[Spiffeh]

Please provide some examples of my shallowness because idek what that means in the context of mafia.

Also, Titus' TiP scumread seems to have taken an extreme backseat today. Very weird of her to discard that in favor of lynching a spammer when she was after him so hardcore last day. I just think she's scum scrambling and tossing out anything that can stick.

[Spiffeh]

you provided an example just now.

Cop out answer. Do you have examples from before that post?

Not sure where you get me being wary on TiP. I am voting TiP, encouraging votes on TiP by saying 100% confidence should be sheeped.

TiP is being wagoned for more than lurking. He's being wagoned based on his response to early votes, his total apathy, and lack of scumhunting. You are saying he's being wagoned by scum, but your readwall has pisskop as your only scumread there. Hell he's practically the only scumread in your wall.

Spiffeh, it's OK if you feel left out. Come join us on the TiP wagon. Better than policy lynching.

TiP did the same thing Over soul and his wagon is far from stalled.

So you're saying Titus dropping this after being SO CERTAIN that TiP was scum, in favor of lynching someone for spamming with even less support, is town motivated?

[Spiffeh]

I have expressed why I believe you're scummy at like the very beginning of the day. It's not because you are objecting to a Titus lynch.

[Spiffeh]

I don't recall Wisdom ever wanting a policy lynch, only Sakura Or is just implied he does too because it's a hydra? Like I don't remember him stating that at all.

And yeah I would still not be surprised if there were cops with weird sanities itg but I am fairly certain given Titus' play today that she is scum. I still think you're scummy but less so. Lynching Titus and vigging you would help us figure out these sanities.

Scumbuddy is a term I usually use jokingly when someone buddies someone I'm scumreading. Hence the term!

[Spiffeh]

Scumbuddy is a term I usually use jokingly when someone buddies someone I'm scumreading. Hence the term!

Scumbuddy is a term widely used for people that are scum together, so don't blame others for misinterpretation.

~Sakura

I know and that's how I meant it, but it's a JOKE word that I use a lot more casually.

[Spiffeh]

Like the criteria for me using the word is when someone buddies a scumread. I am well aware of what it means.

Is this really a thing we're arguing about?

[Spiffeh]

Fresh vote for someone you'd prefer to lynch then.

So many people are concerned with defending Titus without offering up alternatives (Fresh, WN until recently) which makes me think that Titus actually is scum.

[Spiffeh]

Saint answer farside: what is your role now?

[Spiffeh]

Profgessor what are your thoughts on both guilties?

[Spiffeh]

If we really don't lynch one of the guilties I will lol

[Spiffeh]

Gork has a guilty not me.

Why did you think it was mine?

[Spiffeh]

I think it's fucking ridiculous that two info roles out themselves and their guilties and people are opting for gaining the least information about cop sanities/guilties by lynching elsewhere.

[Spiffeh]

Oh whoops mb

[Spiffeh]

Some townie save me from this scum offensive!!!!

[Spiffeh]

Titus should be lynched for her scummy behavior IN ADDITION to the guilty on her btw

[Spiffeh]

Wait didn't Titus adjust her claim to miller?

[Spiffeh]

But Wis I thought Titus was town?

But where did she claim third party?

[Spiffeh]

Heh WN is probably hardcore defending Titus for towny points because she's not on his team

[Spiffeh]

But is that even a third party claim?

[Spiffeh]

So how's everyone doing?

[Spiffeh]

I'm doing pretty well!

[Spiffeh]

I am pretty sure TiP is town.

[Spiffeh]

Hi I'd just like to say before this ends up biting us in the ass later that I am a miller. I've never been one before so I decided to ignore it and just play this like I would any other game. That's also why I kept mentioning my willingness to lynch the other miller claim (Slobberknocker) because I'm not sure that there'd be more than one miller in the game. But this is a bastard so idk

Also are we getting a sub for TIP? I am convinced he is town and we could use another sure town voice in this game. I also looked over dramonic's ISO and his push on Titus later in the day is definitely town.

@MoF do you have results that contradict your WN guilty from yesterday?

[Spiffeh]

I am confused af

[Spiffeh]

I want MoF to clarify their WN results

[Spiffeh]

So is the guilty on WN something we're going to ignore?
Saint is bad too though I guess idc that much.

[Spiffeh]

Ok is everyone a cop this game?

[Spiffeh]

Anyway I bet Xoxtm is scum too

[Spiffeh]

Ok talk about other things then

I seem really intent on discrediting guilties at every possible opportunity

[Spiffeh]

Seriously though you do no scumhunting on your own but when guilties come up you argue them to the death.

It's p. scummy

[Spiffeh]

Gork I assume you didn't get a guilty?

Anyway yeah Xoxtm is scum
VOTE: VOTE: Xoxtm

[Spiffeh]

I'm bad at vote tags
VOTE: Xoxtm

[Spiffeh]

I want to hear who Jaqen targeted with the vig and why it didn't work.

[Spiffeh]

You look scummy for picking out a player you think is weak and calling him scum for it.

In the exact post you quoted I gave a perfectly valid reason for why I thought you were scum. You resort immediately to AtE and OMGUS. Tell me how you think that looks to me.

[Spiffeh]

Xoxtm is a better vote because there's a still a possibility that you are just noobtown.
And now Xoxtm has a wagon on him that I'd like to pursue.

[Spiffeh]

^ Someone vig this tonight please

[Spiffeh]

How am I only in his top four scumreads when I'm like the only player he has even mentioned acting scummy (recently).

[Spiffeh]

He is scum what can I say

[Spiffeh]

Anenineminemenen who is scum?

[Spiffeh]

UNVOTE: Xoxtm welp

[Spiffeh]

^ That's me confirming his N1 result btw

[Spiffeh]

Things that need to be answered ASAP:
1.) MoF's results on White Narcissus and whether they still want to lynch them.
2.) Why Jaqen and friend didn't vig anyone

[Spiffeh]

I am cool with a Saint lynch.
Other scum include Fresh and Loran.
Maybe Aneninen.

VOTE: Saint

[Spiffeh]

Unvote

Vote: ZZZX

Too many posts for a day 1. Has to be scum.

I thought ZZZX lurked as scum?

Could be scum partner defense. Titus was in pathfinder where zzzx got vigged as town for lurking (granted she was lynched day one), but also she was in wtp where his lurking came up as an issue as well and he was town.

Same could be said for Loran in post 737.

PEdit: Wow you mind reader

[Spiffeh]

Miller + role
I don't really see the reason for claiming my role though.

[Spiffeh]

If more of my townreads want me to reveal my role I'll do it but for now I don't think it's necessary.

[Spiffeh]

Who were you targeting?

[Spiffeh]

Hey maybe that is what happened to Saint...

[Spiffeh]

It would kind of make sense if scum had vanilla-izer and they used it on Saint because he was the only outed power role at the time. That would make Saint town.
VOTE: Loran
More comfortable with that.

[Spiffeh]

I think Loran-Titus connection is more damning tbh

[Spiffeh]

Her defense of Loran in post 737 while she simultaneously attacks TiP the whole day when they were behaving pretty similarly.

[Spiffeh]

Ok but who was vanilla-ized N1 then? I guess it's possible that scum idled it so Saint could claimed it happened to him on Day 2 but idk

Now that I think about it why didn't Xoxtm stalk Saint N1 to prove his self-watch ability?

[Spiffeh]

Out myself on someone i'm scumreading, are you fucking dense?

Why didn't YOU target him?

You believed he was scum self watcher then?

[Spiffeh]

Self-Watcher's an odd scum role.
Like if I were scum I'd be like "wtf is this"

[Spiffeh]

Ok yeah Saint's response to pressure today was shit anyway.
VOTE: Saint

[Spiffeh]

Voided I am a miller with a role.
Actually if Gork didn't have a result because he was vanilla-ized then it makes sense that Saint wouldn't have a result either.
UGGHGHGHGHGGHGH

[Spiffeh]

^ That's true tho

[Spiffeh]

No ask Saint his flavor first.
Or did we do that?

[Spiffeh]

You can have the why- my neighbor didn't submit.

This is a pretty shit excuse.

[Spiffeh]

Who were you vigging?

[Spiffeh]

Is it not crossing your mind that it's possible that your neighbor didn't "submit" because you were vigging a scumbuddy?

[Spiffeh]

[Spiffeh]

How can my pointing this out possibly deter you from figuring out his alignment?
What you can do is reveal who it is if you suspect them enough and let everyone pressure/help with that determination.

[Spiffeh]

Am I the only one confused by what the big deal is?

[Spiffeh]

And what was stopping you from telling me "no he is definitely town" and continuing said reaction tests instead of crying about it?
Give me a break

[Spiffeh]

I am not buying this supposed outrage about a situation that you could have easily fixed to your liking.

[Spiffeh]

And does the bolded not fucking clue in your neighbor that you think something is up?

This is ridiculous.

[Spiffeh]

Your vote on me is horrible too. If you think I'm trying to protect my scumbuddy that would mean you believe your neighbor is scum too, so why on earth would you vote me instead of the guy that was proven unreliable in killing who you agreed on?

There's something fishy going on up in dis bitch

[Spiffeh]

MoF do you see the shit he's trying to pull? Does it make any sense to you?

[Spiffeh]

His vote on me makes no sense if he actually believes what he's saying.

[Spiffeh]

Your reason for voting me is contingent on your partner being scum.
If he is scum and you both must agree on a kill for it to go through then, NEWS FLASH, he's most likely not going to allow a kill on a buddy to succeed, and town don't have a night kill ability anyway.

But by all means continue to ignore actual evidence against others to vote for me because I ruined some precious gambit that you didn't even value enough to attempt to recover.

[Spiffeh]

Ok outline your plan for everyone since there's no reason to keep it secret now.

[Spiffeh]

And explain specifically how someone asking you if you think they could be scum completely ruins it.

[Spiffeh]

No give your exact plan of action in reaction testing your neighbor, what results it would yield, and how it was ruined by me "pressing the subject".

[Spiffeh]

Stop avoiding the question.

[Spiffeh]

I already told you how you ruined it. Pressing the subject with the "is it not crossing you mind" bullshit backed me into a corner where I had to reveal it. And in doing so, now my partner (if scum) won't react the same.

How were you backed into a corner at all? If you were so fucking devoted to this gambit then you would have said you thought that he was town and left it at that. And no, no one is going to crucify you for going back on this statement if you explain yourself and new information surfaces.

You're in no place of authority here and your feeble attempt to flail back to the lead isn't going to work. I'm not revealing the whole shebang and putting my neighbor at risk over your dumb play (or smart if you're scum with my partner) in case that one is town. We are talking about you now. Your pointy fingers. Your floating. Your calling people out for not contributing while doing the same. And your stubborn outing of what I was trying to keep on the DL.

Lol @ how you have to resort to negative terms such as "flail" and "floating" because you can't answer my valid criticisms. You're forced into making blanket statements such as those in an attempt to justify you're horrible vote. Where was your scumread on me the past two days, and why is it only surfacing now that I am poking holes in your terrible logic?

[Spiffeh]

Really? What didn't you provide that I requested three times? I told you we would do whatever we decided without your evidence. Which ultimately did t matter because above.

And the last bulletin in your post anterior here needs to be left to breathe for a day or two, but I will be back with you on that. Fine wine needs time so all it's flavor might be appreciated. It's not a Boone's Farm vintage.

If you thought the bolded made it so obvious that you were testing your neighbor's reactions and you call me an idiot for not picking up on it, then what makes you so sure that your neighbor DIDN'T pick up on your suspicions?

^ This one especially needs an answer.

[Spiffeh]

Why don't you just vig me then?

[Spiffeh]

How is that even an answer for what you quoted?

[Spiffeh]

Ugh the worst part is no one is even going to read your lunacy and just write it off as TvT when the shit you have spewed needs to be looked into.

[Spiffeh]

So how's everyone's night going?

[Spiffeh]

Btw Loran dramonic is town.
What do you think of any of the evidence provided against Saint?

[Spiffeh]

Jaqen on a scale of 1-10 how likely is it that your ego vigges me tonight?

[Spiffeh]

Really? What didn't you provide that I requested three times? I told you we would do whatever we decided without your evidence. Which ultimately did t matter because above.

And the last bulletin in your post anterior here needs to be left to breathe for a day or two, but I will be back with you on that. Fine wine needs time so all it's flavor might be appreciated. It's not a Boone's Farm vintage.

If you thought the bolded made it so obvious that you were testing your neighbor's reactions and you call me an idiot for not picking up on it, then what makes you so sure that your neighbor DIDN'T pick up on your suspicions?

^ This one especially needs an answer.

Also answer this/quote where you answered this please.

[Spiffeh]

Really? What didn't you provide that I requested three times? I told you we would do whatever we decided without your evidence. Which ultimately did t matter because above.

And the last bulletin in your post anterior here needs to be left to breathe for a day or two, but I will be back with you on that. Fine wine needs time so all it's flavor might be appreciated. It's not a Boone's Farm vintage.

If you thought the bolded made it so obvious that you were testing your neighbor's reactions and you call me an idiot for not picking up on it, then what makes you so sure that your neighbor DIDN'T pick up on your suspicions?

^ This one especially needs an answer.

Also answer this/quote where you answered this please.

@Jaqen you can't answer this then?

[Spiffeh]

And tell me if you're vigging me because I'm claiming if you are.

[Spiffeh]

You claimed already.
Or are you just supporting me? If so thx boo

[Spiffeh]

Speaking of which is MoF just completely retracting their guilty on WN?
Because that's still a thing that happened.

[Spiffeh]

ARE YOU PLANNING ON VIGGING ME YES OR NO

[Spiffeh]

Also I ISO'd you and you did not answer that question.

I seriously can't fathom how anyone can think you look good coming out of this.

[Spiffeh]

Dw bae I'm writing out a post <3

[Spiffeh]

Ok recent events dictate that Jaqen is going to take the most ridiculous course of action possible in regards to me and his refusal to answer my question means I am now forced to act under the assumption that he is planning on vigging me.

Anyway Xoxtm outed my target on N1 to be TIP with his stalker results which I think is a decent indicator of what I am so I don't think it's too risky to out myself now (if I'm even important).

My role PM points to the existence of an anti-commune faction called the Anal Aliens. I am an AA checker, and I am explicitly told that I come up as an Anal Alien on investigation. I visit someone during the night and check whether or not they are an Anal Alien. I checked TIP N1 and dramonic N2. Both came up as not Anal Alien.

My role could be a complete troll, and after reviewing everything that's kind of what I'm leaning towards. My flavor kind of indicates that I am some insane conspiracy theorist, and the only seemingly scum team in the game is the Repubdickans.

BUT Titus said this yesterday which made me think maybe I wasn't useless and she slipped:

Another weird possibility in addition to sanity as I think WN is town.

Alien

psychotrooper?

It looks like she refers to the scum team as Alien when it was never stated in the thread publicly. Or is "Alien Psychotrooper" a role independent of faction?
Anyway she flipped not Anal Alien which confused me and makes me lean once again towards my role being a troll but it's also possible that her scumteam knows of the existence of the other?

I feel so stupid even typing this up because the more I write the more I am convinced that my role is a troll. But since Jaqen's dumb/scum-ass is probably going to kill me tonight I might as well reveal this stuff on the off chance that the Anal Aliens actually exist.



Don't laugh at me pls

[Spiffeh]

Sakura if that's true then maybe that's why Jaqen's kill "failed"?

[Spiffeh]

And yes Jaqen that is exactly what I am claiming.

[Spiffeh]

He's saying that I used the word "he" when I had previously been using a general neutral term to refer to his neighbor makes me scum with his neighbor.

Everything that makes me scummy is completely contingent on his neighbor being scum as well. The reverse is not true. His neighbor is suspicious for separate reasons. This is why his vote on me is shit.

I've been saying this the whole time.

[Spiffeh]

I instinctively refer to people on the internet as male unless I am told otherwise. I fixed it in the former posts and didn't in the later posts. Sorry!

@MoF so you don't believe my claim?

[Spiffeh]

MoF ignores literally everything I bring up about Jaqen earlier but because I use a different fucking pronoun he votes for me.

Makes sense.

[Spiffeh]

Yeah you believe pronoun inconsistency to be more damning than anything brought up about Saint?

[Spiffeh]

Bull-fucking-shit this is going end up being the scum retaliation wagon.

[Spiffeh]

He's saying that I used the word "he" when I had previously been using a general neutral term to refer to his neighbor makes me scum with his neighbor.

Everything that makes me scummy is completely contingent on his neighbor being scum as well. The reverse is not true. His neighbor is suspicious for separate reasons. This is why his vote on me is shit.

I've been saying this the whole time.

Also keep ignoring this point everyone it makes you look really good.

[Spiffeh]

your claim could be a republdickan role

So you think I bussed Titus that hard today?
So I would claim that I came up as Anal Alien on inspection if I was a Repubdickan?

[Spiffeh]

bussed Titus that hard yesterday***

And you haven't mentioned the Saint wagon once today, which is really weird because it's been a hot topic.

What are your thoughts on it?

[Spiffeh]

If you think that it was a sure thing you didn't read Day 2.

[Spiffeh]

LOL WHAT

[Spiffeh]

Ok anyone voting for me because my role COULD be on a scum team is basically scum claiming.

[Spiffeh]

Fuck this shit, there goes my pocket scumread.
Yes, it has been you, WN, but I can see no Universe where sharing this information would help any of the (possible) scumteams.

I'm not that sure about Spiffeh either... but it's still possible that a scum has a PR to investigate the other factions. Especially because there are so many investigatives around...

You know it's also possible that the VILLAGE that has a PR to investigate certain factions.
Why are you just assuming my info role is a scum one instead of the others?

What do you think about the Saint wagon?

[Spiffeh]

Seriously there's no way a town player reads over all the evidence stacked up against Saint, doesn't address it at all, and decides to vote for me because my role might be on a scum team?

Anen is likely scum.

@Jaqen don't stupidly vig me. WN's info pretty much confirms the existence of the Anal Aliens, so don't do their dirty work for them. Let them use a kill on me.

[Spiffeh]

Maybe Xoxtm can stalk me so they can't vanilla-ize me without being outed?

That will only work if Jaqen can get over himself long enough to see that I am town. Just know that if your partner actually agrees with your terrible decision to kill me (as you seem to be leaning towards) then he is definitely scum.

[Spiffeh]

I will beg for my life when I am probably one of the only ways we can find Aliens.

[Spiffeh]

I am actually not familiar with stalker but I remember someone saying that in this thread

[Spiffeh]

CKD are you saying that you know Saint is vanilla TOWN or just has no role?

[Spiffeh]

Seriously there's no way a town player reads over all the evidence stacked up against Saint, doesn't address it at all, and decides to vote for me because my role might be on a scum team?

Anen is likely scum.

@Aneninen, this is me explaining why I think you're scum. It was not a naked read. You have since taken your vote off of me but see the end of my post for why I still think you're scum.

And that's not the only thing which is disturbing about Spiffeh. For example, he was "over-explaining" everything in his 1vs1 with Jaqen.
As for this, here's something for you, Jaqen. You were (or are?) suspecting me too. Compare our interaction to your interaction with Spiffeh. Although it could be a difference in playstyle but, I think you can see what I mean by "over-explaining".

Where am I over-explaining and how is that even scummy?

That's another thing I don't like in Spiffeh's posts. He really wants to know whether Jaqen is Vigging him Tonight or not. It's not the same as if he merely wanted to ask Jaqen not to Vig him. The latter would refer to a town-PR. If he's scum, his team may react (via PRs) in a different way if they knew Jaqen were about to Vig Spiffeh. Eg. redirecting/stopping the shot. Can you understand me?

I wanted to know if he was vigging me earlier so I could claim. He was being vague so I just claimed anyway. Now I have been actively trying to make sure he doesn't vig me so he doesn't do the Aliens' dirty work, and because I am probably one of the only ways to actually find Aliens. This is a big reach.

@ZZZX where have I made naked reads? I am not comfortable with your accusations against WN when you're not reading.

Anyway, I'm pretty certain WN is town because they confirmed the Aliens for me. If they were scum they have to no reason to do that and probably would have left me out to dry. I also think Jaqen is town, but very misguided. According to my results dramonic and whoever subbed in for TIP aren't Aliens, and I highly doubt either is a Titus scum buddy so they are almost confirmed town unless there's another faction we don't know about.

Farside and Oversoul look town too but that might just be me being biased because they've kinda been defending me.

Tbh I'd probably prefer an Anen lynch over Saint because of the way he is subtly egging Jaqen into vigging me by supporting his statements, and then offering a myriad of bad reasons why I could be scum.
VOTE: Aneninen

[Spiffeh]

But Anen is a better one I think!

[Spiffeh]

Fine w/e
VOTE: Saint

Anen is scum too though

[Spiffeh]

See things like that make me second guess myself

[Spiffeh]

Jaqen there is no reason not to reveal any information that would be helpful.

[Spiffeh]

Um WN why would you still redirect the kill to me after Titus flipped scum?

[Spiffeh]

So why did you let Jaqen continue to go off on me when you knew he hadn't exactly been truthful?

[Spiffeh]

@Spiffeh he had been truthful enough until I was outed that it didn't need me to come play cleanup.

this is bull as well, he was assuming you are scum and pushing people like Spiffeh based on that, you call that being "truthful" from your pov?

~Wis

This exactly. His scum read on my was contingent on you being scum with me but you didn't feel the need to speak up until you were getting called out.

[Spiffeh]

Btw if we believe that the Aliens only have one NK in this game, wouldn't it make sense if one of them had partial control over the vig?

[Spiffeh]

Fresh you still thought I was scum after my claim and WN basically confirming the Aliens?

[Spiffeh]

@dramonic Sakura (I think it was her) said earlier around when I claimed that an Alien faction of a previous game only had one kill and since they haven't killed anyone that also might be the case here.

[Spiffeh]

I'd still prefer to lynch Saint today.

[Spiffeh]

Dw WN I will proclaim the good news of your townitude and you will be redeemed

[Spiffeh]

Relax, if people think I'm town then they should think you're town too for vouching for my claim when you could have just kept it quiet as scum.

At least for now and especially when there are superior targets in Saint and Fresh that need to die ASAP.

[Spiffeh]

Gork how do you feel about Fresh give what has happened recently?

[Spiffeh]

Why is everyone intentionally looking over Fresh? His recent actions are way more scummy than WN.

[Spiffeh]

Like if not Saint it should be him.