Three-Pronged Trouser God Mafia GAME OVER- Happy Ending?

[White Narcissus]

I'm going to be around sometime tonight, been kinda busy today, also we're a gravedigger.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

hai

VOTE: tip

all the heavy posters so far are probably town

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

we are into corpses

[White Narcissus]

titus is prolly town? i think she's less serious than usual

farside looks less scummy than last game

xtoxm is the same but i feel like he's going to be like that as town too

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

oh hey mastin is posting this time!

hai!

i dont think zzzx is scum though

[White Narcissus]

it might also be your avi that makes you feel less serious now :/

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

gorkington teach me how to read titus

[White Narcissus]

im not sure about the first two but pretty sure she doesn't make any sense as town either

[White Narcissus]

I'm confused...
Why is this argument even happening
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I've read gork's and titus' arguments about 10 times and i still don't get why Titus is even getting agitated...

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Three out of four of my last town games, I have been the d1 lynch. It's 3 for 3 if I didn't start dating game.

I wouldn't have directly inner here but I owed TPTG and they were having a hard time filling it up.

This still doesn't make any sense (inb4 titus never makes any sense), but all gork was doing was answering wisdom's question on how to read you, you acted like you were being accused of doing something so i still don't get why you got so worked up over it

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

farside, why are you voting Voided and why aren't you pushing them.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

farside, why are you voting Voided and why aren't you pushing them.

~Sakura

Because mala called him town and I'm waiting to see if I misread the spot.

What about before she called him town?
(For the record im currently trying to see if i have actually learned how to read you after Saki Achiga-hen, Nightingale and Lost Paradise)
~Sakura
P-Edit: nevermind, that makes sense.

[White Narcissus]

Yeah i'm never lynching titus this game

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Tho if you leave i'll feel bad because i was prodding you for answers on what happened earlier.
And one of the reasons i joined here was because i wanted to play with you again.
So i'll feel 2x bad

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

It's one I MUST make as either alignment. I'd be equally frustrated as either alignment as I had a similar bullshit stunt happen in We the Purple II, that I shrugged off. (That's probably the only difference is that I shrugged it off because one of the teams new I was aligned with them).

I disagree, and you telling me that your post is null, is making me townread you even more

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

It's not even about the kind of post, it's the motivation behind it, At first i saw a frustrated player that had to deal with being a possible policy lynch due to people not being able to read her game correctly and would rather replace out than hurt their team, whichever it may be, and i thought you'd be most likely to be frustrated as town than scum, considering scum normally shouldn't feel too bad about being lynched because town is being correct.
Then your motivation for trying to shake off a townread on you? I see literally no scum motivation for that, while a town would feel cheated if something that should be alignment null is being seing as for a strong townread, i don't see any reason why you wouldn't just embrace the townread as scum instead of trying to remove it.
You could argue meta all you want, i literally don't see any reason why scum would be doing the actions you're doing, and as such you're a townread to me and im sticking with it.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Sakura, after this game, I'd like to hydra with you. I think we can learn a lot from each other.

~Titus

I'm ok with that

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

If any of the votes are wrong, let me know.

I believe farside's voting for voided not xtoxm.
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

also this is not the correct order of votes

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Agreed with Sakura that Titus is town

still mostly liking farside

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

what's wrong Saint?

[White Narcissus]

ms why are you so useless?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

lies

[White Narcissus]

we're a gravedigger.

Noting this again in case it was missed.

We are a gravedigger, meaning we appear to have visited the dead to all investigatives.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

mmm...
don't feel like massclaiming
Xtoxm and Farside both better not be scum again!

Serious vote. I actually don't like this post. its too stiff for this game and for the rvs. and knowing how this person would usually post it wouldn't be this stiff.
VOTE: profgessor

I actually don't like this vote. They're not essentially scum because of that post: they might have a town-PR, too, or try to fake having one.

what? How is ZZZX faking a PR here?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

i dont like the way you're questioning the votes. It looks like you didn't bother looking for the motivation behind them at all.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Like, you have these three posts almost in a row.

VOTE: TIP

You make me sad, my love.

I declare him scum off my experience of perfect record of reading him

No one is interested in TIP?

maybe if he posts some more.

vote: tip

Is it not evident why Gork voted TIP? How can you wonder where it came from?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

They = Profgessor Emotion. They're a hydra. I wasn't talking about ZZZX at all.

And you were talking about them being a PR or faking one because..?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

ZZZX's reason for voting them had nothing to do with that

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

You referred to 116, 124 and 125.
Indeed I didn't see the connection between the first two posts but the latter two posts didn't make sense together. Nor 125 in itself. Gork would be interested in TIP if he posted more... and votes for him instantly? Why?

Ever heard of pressure and what effect it has?

I feel like you're playing dumb at this point.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Also I don't know what Titus meant with 154 but "heavy posters" referred to Profgessor, ZZZX and Gork at the time.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

VOTE: Aneninen

I feel like he's trying to cast doubt on everything while ignoring the actual motivations behind the posts he's questioning.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

...they were against early massclaim.
It doesn't seem to be that important, though, because others were against it later, too.

The point is you were using that as the reason you were disliking ZZZX's vote on them, when ZZZX's reason for voting them had nothing to do with this.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

I don't think Gork's vote meant much pressure. Especially in a large game.

Whether it pressured TIP or not is irrelevant, the point is it's obvious why Gork voted him.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Do you think a player who's just tried to catch up with the game is scummier than 23 others? La wow!

..what? I don't even

[White Narcissus]

maybe a buddy of yours has a PR which hints there may be a Tracker-like town PR.

yep, that must be it. I intend to do all the kills for my faction and I don't want to get caught so I claimed tracker miller

after all I just finished a game where a tracker called all scum, it makes sense!

[White Narcissus]

okay not all but it was funny

[White Narcissus]

meh. Regardless of whether Aneninen is scum or not, this dumbness feels real. Does anyone have experience with him?

[White Narcissus]

yeah you dont want me to comment on that win again

[White Narcissus]

nothing worse than arguing with this kind of people

i dont know if i should answer or it's pointless

[White Narcissus]

VOTE: tip

i think it was better there after all

[White Narcissus]

I think it had. Or did I misread something?

Yes. ZZZX voted Profgessor because they felt too stiff for the mostly trolling environment that was going on. It had nothing to do with the reason they didn't claim.

Weren't you talking about pressurizing?

We were talking about why Gork voted TIP. I told you it was done for pressure since Profgessor was asking for people to do so. You respond to that by talking about whether TIP would feel the pressure or not, which is completely irrelevant.

And you left out the first part of my post completely:

"A little explanation: all the Miller claims I've seen in recent games have been fake. Maybe it would have been too FoS to claim that one"

.

Yes, of course I left it out. I don't care whether people fakeclaimed millers in your games, it has nothing to do with me.

But okay, you didn't claim Miller. In this case, here's a deal. Are you willing to get investigated? If you're telling the truth, there must be a Tracker-like PR and regardless of your claim, there may be a Cop-like PR... any of those could give some sort of information on you. Deal?

Sure, if you want to waste an investigation on someone who is going to be obvious town pretty soon anyway.

However

, as far as I can remember, there have been quite a couple of players talking about previous games instead of this particular game. I'd like to hear

everyone

's opinion about it. Isn't it possible that some scums are eagerly getting involved in conversations like that so as not to get noticed that no scumhunting is done by them at all...?

No, and talking about it as a generality does not help you push the point. Do you see specific players avoiding scumhunting and talking about previous games? Then talk about them and push them.

[White Narcissus]

And what's that and how exactly does it fit the theme of the game?

It's flavored as being a necrophiliac.

Nothing interesting in the last couple pages, except the fact that ms decided to be useful, now i believe their "i have to be useless" story even less.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

winner of 2015 team mafia, must be scum.

VOTE: aneninen

/fart

^
ftr i dont consider this "useless", as he's displaying a reason and a vote, whether the reason's true or not is irrelevant, it's still content, imo.

Now i go to class, cy'all later.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I figured, but can you read him?

Also I am not sure why you're voting us

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

"fuck hydras" apparently summons more hydras

[White Narcissus]

I don't see the issue, mastin. If it gets Saint to cut the bullshit and start posting, it's all good.

Why are you scumreading Aneninen?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

@Dramonic, a gravedigger is a miller to trackers and watchers.

Will catch up with the rest later.

source?

site search it. It's not a role we made up, promise.

[White Narcissus]

/fart

im post restricted to be useless in my role pm

/fart

do you mean this claim?

Because that was obvious trolling

[White Narcissus]

mfw i didnt realize waynegg was here...

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Wow, you're right! Such a great call, Sakura!

(/obvioussarcasm)

That was wis not me, i'll always sign my posts, for reference

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

What? Because she gave a response she gives practically every time she knows Ika's posting?

When i saw her post i didn't know is something she does every game she's with Ika, second, even if that's true, that's not 100% of my reason for the townread (it was at the time of that post, but i explained it later) Why did you feel the need to poke at this post, yet not read the more argumented one given later?

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Haven't you seen Titus and Ika go at each other for their history?

Not really, I dont remember being in a game with both Titus and Ika, and I haven't been with Titus in forever, the latest game was Corpse Party but i was dead when she replaced in, and the few games i've had with Ika that i remember Titus hasn't been there.

Either way, no, I haven't seen Ika and Titus history, tho knowing Ika's playstyle it wouldn't surprise me tbh. If one of Ika/Titus has to go for this to be a healthy game i'd go with Ika, since I value Titus' VCA and i have a strong townread there, while Ika has an itchy finger on the hammer.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Ika has an itchy finger on the hammer.

^
Quoting this for enphasis and all L-2s should be treated as L-1s unless Ika's on the wagon.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

this feels like a stretch.
if youre getting gutfeels from this, then fair enough, but i disagree that scumtitus wouldnt feign incredulity at being townread at this point in the game. frankly it makes me a little wary that youre acting like scum couldnt fake something like this, considering youre pretty good at scum at least from what ive seen of you.

I'm flattered that you think my scumgame's good, i tend to think otherwise, but that's beside the point.
I don't get what does me being "good" or whatever as scum have anything to do with the reads i get, if i don't see any scum motivation behind what Titus is doing then i don't see why i should get myself paranoid whether she's capable of faking it or not, it's more healthy for me and the gamestate.
If she's capable of faking something like that then kudos to her, if you think she's scum doing something like that then go ahead and get her lynched to prove me wrong and i'll take it in mind next game, but don't expect me to help you lynch her.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Titus, wgeurts has been replaced by pisskop

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

btw in case it wasn't clear at the start we're a miller

It wasn't, where did you soft that?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

if shos starts posting normally (which looks like it will be the case) while ms avoids the game I'll take it as a scumtell

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Also Flubber is town and so is Voided prolly

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

VOTE: masters of fart

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

I'm really having a hard time getting into this game, idk why. I didn't agree with Wiz's vote until that OMGUS.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

fart doesnt have a post restriction. it was ms trolling.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

why would we not lynch someone we actually think is scum based on play

such as?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

so you think TIP is scum and your reason is "Mara says so"?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Sigh......

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

ms is posting, tip isnt

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Also TIP is not the kind of person who will run away from the thread just because someone claims they can read him. What you're saying is a stretch.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

if shos starts posting normally (which looks like it will be the case) while ms avoids the game I'll take it as a scumtell

so mof avoiding the game is scummy
but tip avoiding the game when he has mara making the 100% claim isnt scummy.
brb.
screaming.
internally and externally.

You don't even wanna imagine how I feel...

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

i never said shos is avoiding the game

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

shos's posts imply he's going to be catching up and posting normally, meaning ms has been full of bullshit and doing nothing other than trolling.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

He never faked a post restriction in my eyes, that was obvious trolling.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

I don't know how to read ms, if Wis says ms is scum because of what he's doing then i'll leave him to Wis. But im pretty sure ms trolling isn't anything out of the ordinary.
I'm more confident TIP's scum, but Wis wants ms's head.
I'm not sure what to do, but Wis let me move our vote back

Unvote
Vote: TIP

Hopefully im right about this one
~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

The only thing i haven't liked about ms is the OMGUS vote, i've never seen him do that before

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

I hate Gork's recent posting. He's subtly trying to push MoF as scum with no basis for doing so.

no he isnt

unless you meant TIP

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

So how are you reading Mof then Titus?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

@Sakura, leave the MoF reading to me please. Sonic Boom (my hydra with MS) is the best hydra I have.

Wis also has an hydra with ms, i also have an hydra with ms.
Anyway im going to be absent for most of the day, i told wis if he really thinks ms is scum he can move our vote back, but i think TIP's more likely scum, besides i haven't been able to get into this game proper with all the trolling/etc, guess it's a reason why i dont like bastard games in general.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Dram, are you going to fake a cop result again?

I dunno, are we speedwagonin someone who's V/LA again?

Jeanne wasn't V/LA

But yeah, we're wagoning TIP in the same manner

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

It's the exact same scenario as Jeanne actually. I was making the point that Jeanne was posting elsewhere back then. And now you're doing the same for TIP.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

i like spiffeh

finally some people who are townposting

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

sorry, not scum

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

you're not paying much attention. I was agreeing with you.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Oh there's a wagon on me cool

...Not sure if I should read as flippant town or trying-to-play-cool scum.

This is a scum post
Fence-sitting etc

nope. That's voided speaking his mind. Besides, he's talked about what his stance is in regards to your wagon and fart's.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Still scum reading void after his post
This post where he talks about ane reads pretty fake
The fluff post in the aboe feels weird to me for some reason.
this confirms his read on ane is fake

I'm not following you here - what read on Ane are you talking about? He just quoted my read on Ane and said "seems like it", that's hardly a read.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Also the second link is Voided not agreeing with mastin's hatred towards the Saint wagon

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

again, he was more likely adressing mastin's second line (about the saint wagon). He had just voted saint in his previous post.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Scumread on Anen is now serious.

Hate with a passion the Saint wagon.

Not seeing what you're seeing here.

in case you need visuals to understand what im saying

[White Narcissus]

he just didn't bother deleting the first line after quoting the post is all

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Like seriously, you are claiming that after his slight agreement with my Aneninen scumread, 10 minutes later he contradicts himself by stating disagreement with mastin's Aneninen scumread. It doesn't make sense unless you think he's a terrible player.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

And anyway, you were in Saki, how is Voided different here than there?

~Wis

pedit: Yes

[White Narcissus]

That explains it then, I also scumread Voided for his playstyle in Saki at first. You'll just get used to it.

No, he was not saying we should do Anen next. He was basically saying "eeh, you could have a point about Anen, but let's lynch MS now."

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

TIP's playstyle is nothing like it used to be. :/

[White Narcissus]

nah, in general, from what i've seen at least

[White Narcissus]

my view is kinda the opposite, I think that he should be able to do more than this if he was scum. In the end I don't know, which is why I don't mind a wagon on him all that much. But most likely he just doesn't care

[White Narcissus]

..what are you even talking about?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

How was wgeurts lying about the neighborhood? I don't get it.

[White Narcissus]

Links? A man is never seeing such.

Multiple neighborhoods is one fo the most common things anyway, how many do you want? I can count 2-3 off the top of my head (Nightingale's Tale, Touhou Upick 1-3, i'm not sure if the other alice games had multiple neighborhoods as well, might be worth asking), specially on themes.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

that was not a counterclaim by any means

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Link a

normalish

game with more than one neighborhood. Now.

Did you seriously ask this... really

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

oh you're saying that you are counterclaiming him, nvm

yeah still there can be more than 1 neighborhoods

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

The most ridiculous thing is that you think wgeurts would lie about that when there was no reason to

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

im annoyed that i feel like jaqen is townier for having pushed this.

Sadly I have to agree, Now i feel like going back and checking Gundam and La isla de la muerte since he was in both of those, the later also being a bastard game.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

you dont say

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

because sakura is scumreading him

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

gorkinton is obvtown

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

cool saint is town

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

don't like spiffeh as much now. Your accusations are pretty shallow. Like, jaqen is more likely for thinking another neighbor is scum

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

more likely town*

[White Narcissus]

Also Nakedjogger's words at the end of 494 are not his, they are professor's. It was a quote fail.

[White Narcissus]

cool saint is town

~Wis

...

how?

That only makes me want to vote him more.
He was faking his PR and when he came under pressure THAT is when he chooses to claim. A bad claim at that.

I don't see scum making this claim

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

@Master, Trust in Mara's 100% IMO. The reactions to it have been less than stellar, yet TIP isn't taking off.

bullshit

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

VOTE: TIP

He isn't taking the wagon seriously, and his only reaction to multiple call outs was to piggyback other accusations on Voided. I'm 100% okay with this one.

People not taking things seriously doesn't make them scum.
Those 100% percentages don't mean what you think they mean.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

id still love to see masters of fart dead, be it by lynch, vig, or whatever else

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

no

[White Narcissus]

No reason for town MS to scumread Over soul.

where did ms say he's scumreading oversoul?

[White Narcissus]

@Titus: Why do you constantly keep redirecting people to read your "how to read Titus" thread? If a scum-you playing towards her wincon wouldn't leave a guide on how to read her and would make any scumtells/towntells null?

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Also on the people i want to lynch today, MoF/TIP/NakedJogger.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Anytime Wisdom defends anyone, from now, I just want to lynch that person even more after We the Purple.

shouldnt you want to lynch me instead?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

why are you bothering keeping your vote parked on tip if youre so vehemently opposed to it?

because sakura is scumreading him and I don't have a serious scumread on anyone so she takes priority

~Wis

welp

[White Narcissus]

What are you doing Anen. I'd like contents from you.

What am I doing?
Playing very badly.
Frankly, I've been terrible in every single game for a month or two. And I don't know, why.

why do you think you're playing badly at this point of the game?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

MoF agrees with Jaquen's post calling Over soul and Saint buddies based on the flimsiest of all reasons.

Learn to read. First of all, MoF was finding Jaqen town for that post, not necessarily agreeing. Second and more important, Jaquen was saying that wgeurts and Saint are neighbors/BDSM partners, not that Oversoul and wgeurts are scumbuddies.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

i love how nobody apparently corrected Titus being completely wrong about what happened. Guess I'm the only one paying attention.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

The claim is pretty bad. A self watcher loses all it's usefulness if it's public...

bad as it might be, it's coming from town. Parking your vote there because "so what if he claimed? it's a bad claim" means you're choosing to ignore the motivation behind the claiming.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

nvm i misremembered, you werent voting him.

[White Narcissus]

I agree with Sakura's lynch list minus TIP who I want to see more from because I feel he has just neglected this game because he just doesn't care, not because of anything alignment indicative. NakedJogger has been completely useless.

MoF is the lynch I'd like to see. I can't read shos, it has been proven over and over, so I am not even trying to read him. ms I can read, but he has decided not to contribute a single post of content. So I want to see them hang so I can sleep safely.

I'm caught up, I'll stop spamming now

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

i have a good idea what you can do if you dont want to be called useless

stop being useless

i dont have any idea if you have any reads at all. your iso is full of nothingness.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Votes on me suck ass with a straw. As in arguments are rewerse strawmanny, and parkological.

If you tell me I've been useless one more time Ima fuckin doll you. Maybe I have but I don't need to read that from you capiche

I'll tell you if it's a food idea to vote pisskop in a little bit. Rub one off or something unti or loose some hair, your dong or money. See if I give a duckplucking sockknotting bark.

Do you know why nobody has posted since you posted this?

It's because everyone knows you should be banned out of the game for this an their just waiting for me to show a reaction. Here it is. You are banned from forum mafia forever. Good bye

Both of these sound quite an overreaction.
They also sound fake.

Unvote
Vote: NakedJogger

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Why do these seem like an overreaction? Is Naked Jogger wagoned a lot too?

Because he yells that the votes are strawmanny, and because he's being called useless, my hydra partner tells him to then stop being useless and he replies with... my hydra head should be banned from forum mafia? that seems like a little too much for being prodded into producing content and i honestly dont believe anyone would even think that anything like that should even be deserving of a ban, even if he was exagerating when he mentioned "ban" getting angry for being asked for producing content is still over the top instead of... producing said content.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

While I agree that it's not logical, people don't always play mafia logically. Hence why I'd want to know if he was previously wagoned. I've publicly said I don't want to play with ika anymore due to his shit, so I'm naturally inclined to want to give him the benefit of the doubt to say it was inartfully expressing the same thing.

I am aware, i also do tend to have those kind of overreactions just from FoSes and what not as town, but his was like my overreactions times 10, also apparently Voided knows him and this might be a null/usual behaviour
@Voided: Since you seem familiar with his playstyle care to enlighten us?

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

Hmm after looking at the avatar now im pretty sure i've seen that person before, im going through all my games but i can't remember where...

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

10 years later...

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=31833 no wonder i had so much trouble finding it, it's a game i wanted to wipe from my memory.
That being said, it seems like he did produce content in other games, he didn't do so here and reacted aggresively when called out on it, so im not seeing any similarities.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

so much policy lynch material :/

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

VOTE: masters of fart

can we do this now?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

lol at people voting saint

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

because you are scum

imperium is tammy and nacho

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

i can really easily see wisdom's argument.

wisdom and sakura disagree about their read on me. what do you think about that? why particularly believe wisdom's "argument" and not sakura's?

/fart

no we dont

[White Narcissus]

Also on the people i want to lynch today, MoF/TIP/NakedJogger.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

nah.

[White Narcissus]

if he wanted to avoid getting lynched there were about one zillion better claims he could have made

[White Narcissus]

how the fuck is "not playing" = "playing like absolute shit"?

[White Narcissus]

i dont know what he is, there's no basis to call him scum though

[White Narcissus]

no, i was townreading xtoxm

[White Narcissus]

here TIP has done absolutely nothing that can be called scum, he has simply been apathetic which is completely normal in a game full of fucking trolls. And people somehow call that scum.

[White Narcissus]

i dont know what he is, there's no basis to call him scum though

Yes there is. He's lurking away his wagon, people are acting like he's scum, he's done nothing useful.

In that spot, a reasonable townie would fear being lynched. He's still not trying.

A reasonable scum wouldn't?

[White Narcissus]

ika is ika

[White Narcissus]

exactly. TIP is not ika

[White Narcissus]

i dont know what he is, there's no basis to call him scum though

Yes there is. He's lurking away his wagon, people are acting like he's scum, he's done nothing useful.

In that spot, a reasonable townie would fear being lynched. He's still not trying.

A reasonable scum wouldn't?

Depending on the strength of his scumteam, the presence or absence of other wagons and skill level, not necessarily. If it's single ball scum likely would not. TiP's behavior reminds me of InuYasha's YnB.

Why is not TIP defending? Why is not TIP trying to appear town?

Because he fucking doesn't care. Which is null.

[White Narcissus]

meanwhile ms is obvious scum but sure go ahead and lynch apathetic people and call that scumminess

[White Narcissus]

yeah no

[White Narcissus]

wisdom and sakura disagree about their read on me.

Not really, even if i had any ounce of a townread on you, i'd trust wisdom's read more.

I still want to lynch TIP, but lorant's reaction is still the most BS i've seen ever, wisdom's also free to switch his vote to MoF whenever, he has my permission.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

there isnt one

they just dont like he's not posting

[White Narcissus]

i hope we get lucky with this coinflip and he flips scum

[White Narcissus]

flubber can switch places with white in my reads now.
wisdom. link games where youve seen ika play like this as town.

you people really need to learn to read. I was not calling ika town.

[White Narcissus]

He's posted a scumread on me that doesn't make much sense

your playstyle is scummy. I also scumread you last game. farside also scumread you here. I could see town-TIP doing the same.

[White Narcissus]

since their bullshit attempt to scumread Over soul

they never scumread Oversoul, I corrected you but apparently you didn't care

[White Narcissus]

I don't like TiP's reaction to the wagon on him. As town, he has a tendency to complain/push back on wagons more than when he's scum because he doesn't really know how to respond as scum. I find it highly unlikely the only thing he has to say about votes forming on him is "yeah I don't like that one guy who said my scum tell was bad".

maybe when he plays

when was the last time you played with him?

he just doesnt play nowadays

[White Narcissus]

Etc in this situation is used ironically, but I guess I could also talk about his egotism ("if I should read" reads as if the comment was directed at him), his dismissive attitude towards the post (ellipsis at the beginning), and his buzzword usage (flippant and tryingtoplaycool).

its just a playstyle that looks scummy. He's not scum.

[White Narcissus]

he doesn't even vote the right hydra.

that's titus's fault

[White Narcissus]

TIP:

VOTE: TIP

You make me sad, my love.

I declare him scum off my experience of perfect record of reading him

what do you think about this? Mara actually did mention her 100% accuracy on you and said you are scum.

[White Narcissus]

To others:

Didn't know she was voting me. Someone had actually told me that she left the site.

this to me proves that TIP has paid as little attention to this game as possible. He didn't even know Mara is in the game. Unless you think this is faked, which I don't.

[White Narcissus]

You stated your opinion. I stated mine on MoF.

its not a matter of opinion. You misread his post.

[White Narcissus]

mara, contradictory as to what?

[White Narcissus]

Ive been saying forever that TIP is just apathetic and this proves that.

[White Narcissus]

"it kinda feels"?

I am clearely advocating against it

[White Narcissus]

then vote us because that's how we'll be all game.

anything not signed is me

[White Narcissus]

(wisdom)

[White Narcissus]

Mara, do you think TIP was faking the part he didn't know you're in the game?

[White Narcissus]

does no one else think tip voting the wrong person is a giant-motherfucking town tell? sure seems like it to us

yep. It's more proof he has paid no attention.

Though the one I mentioned is bigger than that. He didn't know Mara, the one who is voting him and calling him 100% scum based on her accuracy with him, is in the game.

[White Narcissus]

So then he really didn't know you're in the game.

Meaning, therefore, that all accusations that he has been lurking on purpose, avoiding the thread, etc etc because Mara-the-TIP-slayer was calling him 100% scum are instantly rendered bullshit.

He just is apathetic and doesn't care about the game. Which, yeah, could be apathetic scum, I am not denying that; but once again there is nothing to suggest he is scum more than town.

[White Narcissus]

and the other "major point" was his vote on Voided - which for me is completely understandable given I scumread Voided for the same reason in last game and farside scumread him here. Voided's playstyle is just naturally scummy.

[White Narcissus]

mara tell me, since TIP returned, do you have a completed game with him where he played like he used to play?

[White Narcissus]

This is the 2nd time i have to say that i always sign my posts, why do ppl still can't figure out who's saying what, either way, wisdom and me disagreeing on TIP, kinda makes me want to lynch him more, if not for the fact that in CP we disagreed on Zymf/4nxiety and i decided to let wis townread him and he was scum. Pretty much realized this when Mara was talking about the fact that we were disagreeing there.

~Sakura

[White Narcissus]

okay. Have you considered that TIP might have just gotten apathetic in general and that it's not something specific to this game?

[White Narcissus]

and that renewed sense of energy doesn't apply when you roll scum?

[White Narcissus]

I'm making the point that unless it's proven that in other games TIP is playing as he used to and his apathy here is specific to this game, his apathy should be treated as null

i cant put it in any other way without breaking certain rules

[White Narcissus]

then what do you care about?

isn't the whole "case" on him that he's not posting?

[White Narcissus]

or that he's not responding to his wagon? or to your vote on him?

all of those were apathy, so?

[White Narcissus]

no, it does have to do with apathy

I can envision the scenario where TIP sees one zillion pages, reads one, sees voided's posts, gets annoyed with his playstyle, thinks he is scum, and votes him and says what he said.
Without reading anything else.

tell me why this is an impossible scenario?

[White Narcissus]

also im not calling nacho nor you scum so i dont get 1081

unless you're jabbing me for last game

[White Narcissus]

1082 would explain that

[White Narcissus]

Titus is town because I have experience with the whole "I'm always lynched D1 as town" stuff and this is basically a replica of what occurred

this is his read on titus

In order to make this read, he only had to read that post where Titus said she gets lynched D1 for her playstyle.

[White Narcissus]

so you think he saw you talking to him and now he's faking that he didn't know you're in the game?

[White Narcissus]

everything you're saying is explained by apathy

[White Narcissus]

i dont see anything artificial or fake from him

[White Narcissus]

sigh whatever

get your lynch, i'm tired

[White Narcissus]

because i think you're wrong

[White Narcissus]

there is not one person who has provided something I can agree with in regards to TIP

Sakura is just sheeping the whole "he has been avoiding the thread" thing
Most people are voting him because they're either sheeping you or they think his apathy is indicative
And you see things that are all really apathy yet you refuse to see it

It doesnt matter how many people agree if there's not even one who can present something that makes sense. In my eyes, you are wrong and everyone is sheeping you.

[White Narcissus]

nacho's case is meta that doesn't apply because TIP is just apathetic in general now and his voided vote that was completely normal given how voided is naturally scummy

[White Narcissus]

who is "we"? nobody ever listens to me

VOTE: tip

whatever

[White Narcissus]

either super obvtown of all, or real scumz

how is that possible?

If he is obvtown he is obvtown. If you thought otherwise you would have said "he looks town, but he could be scum" or something to that effect.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

this is telling me MS was just speaking for himself and bullshitting about you also thinking he is obvtown, and you are just trying to cover it up

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

talk at me about the "discussion" going on between your heads on my slot.

we both agreed that you're obvtown. push someone else who has a better chance of being scum?

/fart

where is the mention of you thinking he could be scum? MS completely skipped it.

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

why did you unvote now?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

nacho i am standing alone against you, sakura, mara, and a bunch of other sheepers, defending someone who I don't even townread. i had enough of this bullshit.

[White Narcissus]

nacho i am standing alone against you, sakura, mara, and a bunch of other sheepers, defending someone who I don't even townread. i had enough of this bullshit.

Why is defending that TiP is apathetic and no one can read him because he hasn't posted enough such an important point to argue?

I understand getting tired of arguing your points. I don't understand voting tip.

Because you're trying to lynch him when there are better lynches.

Sakura wanted our vote to be on TIP. She is practically not talking to me since I removed it.

[White Narcissus]

meanwhile ms is obvious scum but sure go ahead and lynch apathetic people and call that scumminess

Why is sonic scum?

i dont think he's scum, he's just unreadable and it's going to continue being that way because he's choosing to troll instead of play. I was poking at him early to force him to play but evidently he didn't care.

[White Narcissus]

though this bullshit in regards to Gork could easily be scum

[White Narcissus]

anyway I don't mind a ikahydra lynch, I'll join you there if Sakura agrees. At least ika does have a meta of not playing when scum

~Wis (and everything above this)

[White Narcissus]

to whoever is scumreading sonic, try to read his team mafia game, and see what me & him are capable of when scum together, then compare to here.

i dont understand what you're arguing here. Are you saying you're playing poorly here or what?

~Wis

[White Narcissus]

Like interesting ones?

if i had an actual scumread you'd know it

the game is just full of people who should be policy lynched or vigged

~Wis