Three-Pronged Trouser God Mafia GAME OVER- Happy Ending?

[Voidedmafia]

I am a fucking chair

Kinky. Who's gonna be first?

we should all mass claim

Not feeling this, though.

I'm a BDSM duo with someone (they can claim if they want) who forgot the safeword to stop the roleplay so I undergo everything in silence.
In other words, I have a neighbourhood with someone however only he can post in it and I can only read.
M'kay.
VOTE: Oversoul
Let's get some wagons going.

You should sit on Oversoul as a symbol of you voting him. It'll be good for you two.

I can't even role play because I'M A FUCKING CHAIR

Your role is to be a chair that is for fucking on. There!

Bonus points if you make sexy creaking noises.

Is this game just a troll or am I getting trolled?

Both, probably?

OS feels fairly town for now. I'm not putting too much into the votes on him right now.

[Voidedmafia]

Serious vote. I actually don't like this post. its too stiff for this game and for the rvs. and knowing how this person would usually post it wouldn't be this stiff.

for the game? It's not (though stiffness is a good thing!)

for the rvs? So what?

as for you, I don't like your reaction.

Vote: ZZZX

I didn't read previous posts
I see a lot of people are new and we should lynch them first
Also my role PM mentions a chair

No we shouldn't, but OS needs to comment here.

pedit: Not pushing anyone means we wont ever go anywhere. Noone even talked about claiming and most claims now were mostly jokes or half-assed flavor claims. why would scum tag on any of this. You are talking that scum would tag on things you do. I'd say anyone with a little of insight would do the same. I cant do in depth about some reasons but I will leave it at that.

Oversoul, Xtoxm...maybe a bit of Farside...

I do agree with ZZZX's 49 re: Gork, so there's two scumreads.

[Voidedmafia]

yeah man.
going for that opportunistic second page second vote on wagon move.
the classic scum move.

I...what bullshit is this?

Ima switch those two scumreads around.

Vote: Gork

if she thought you were scum, why would she try to convince you that your metadive was wrong?
her being overdefensive is pretty obv and im frankly emotionally shocked that youre implying its not.

Not seeing it. Seems more like "you're not meta-ing me correctly" than any sort of overdefensiveness.

zzz u better take this engage seriously and try to understand me.
or ill go dominant on yo ass.

I cannot be dominated. I... shall not be conqured

Via lurking out half the game for reasons or otherwise?

getting bored again.
mara.
if you were posturing about him latching onto easy reasons for scumreading you as if he was scummy for it, why say this after?

and he could very easily be town who thinks he knows my meta, when he doesn't.

and imply that youre closer to waffling than finding him scummy?

Answered by the first line in 64.

[Voidedmafia]

and no matter what happens, nacho will come in one day and call me town, and then mastin will post and voided will come in and call her town I think. I also think it's incredibly unlikely that a lynch will happen with gork being the second vote on me, and ZZZX was never famous for tunnelling so I don't know where gork is getting the idea that I feel pressured

Nonsense! I wouldn't call her town just off her entrance!

Maybe a few posts down the line, but not the first.

and no matter what happens, nacho will come in one day and call me town, and then mastin will post and voided will come in and call her town I think. I also think it's incredibly unlikely that a lynch will happen with gork being the second vote on me, and ZZZX was never famous for tunnelling so I don't know where gork is getting the idea that I feel pressured

Nonsense! I wouldn't call her town just off her entrance!

Maybe a few posts down the line, but not the first.

I am a fucking chair

Scummy chair ahoy!

VOTE: Oversoul

Not really. The other guy who claimed to be a chair is scummier, anyways.

those are a pair of terrible terrible scumreads.

Thankfully my reads aren't dependent on your opinions!

[Voidedmafia]

grrrrr.

Don't you "Grrrr" me, that's a stupid reason for call someone scum!

two different points.
try again.

Wasn't the overdefensive point linked to the "you shouldn't meta me" thing? I'm pretty sure it was.

they should be!
because then your reads would be better!

If I said that every time someone scumread me, I'd be hoarse.

Besides, I don't obvtown. I don't think, anyways.

[Voidedmafia]

where did i "for call" someone scum that youre referring to here.

So what exactly did "classic scum move" mean, then?

doesnt mean that you didnt ignore reasoning i like more than the overdefensiveness to call my vote bad/scummy.

What, you mean your reasons in 48, among others?

I'm was only talking about the overdefensiveness anyways there, not your reasons as a whole. And even then your point on the contradictory ZZZX interaction IMO only counts if you believe that mara was being overdefensive/talking to someone as if she knew they were town. And I don't think that way.

Also, as another thing toward 61, why does mara have to think ZZZX is town to question his metadiving?

[Voidedmafia]

I wonder if pieces of barnished wood laid out in a row were ancient orgy machines...

Possibly!

i was commenting on my own play, duh.

...Oh. I stand corrected.

Unvote

Vote: void

There is a real boring hanging low cock.
It brings no joy to this world.

And you expect me to suddenly come alive? That's not how I work, Farside.

No one is interested in TIP?

No, not really. His complaint about posts pings me but It's not enough to vote yet.

^titus is probably scum btw.

Talk to me more about this when she starts going extreme moonlogic. Until then, not interested.

Meanwhile, we lynch TIP and then myself if he flips town. It's a town/scum trade either way, right?

But I don't want to lynch you. What's the point in trying to play with you if you're dead by N2?

(Gorkington on the other hand

may

be town.)

and no matter what happens, nacho will come in one day and call me town, and then mastin will post and voided will come in and call her town I think.

Nah, Voided will say, "I

think

she's town? But I don't know for sure.", and NACHO will say, "If Mara wasn't enough, Mastina's town."

Speaking of Voided, very optimistic about him being town. Reads look good.

/4.

I can agree on the maybe, at least.

Also, I'd say, "Whatever, I'm just gonna call her town until she's scum. And/or posts frequently so I can say for sure."

[Voidedmafia]

I did change it in an attempt to look more approachable, considering I'm not really going to stop telling people if they are wrong.

~Titus

It's not working. At least your other one was cool.

step one: if she diplomatically tries to reach out to people in a really awkward way shes probably scum.
step two: if she avoids people talking about her, probably also scum.
step three: if she says things that actually literally dont make any kind of sense then shes probably scum.

ive seen slight variations on all three of these things and now that ive pointed them out you can expect all kinds of interesting defusing strategies from her.

im interested enough to see where tipwagon goes that im willing to make a case and hardpush this in a little bit when titus has more content on the table i can push her for. especially when she decides to stop ignoring me.

...Wait, who are you?

Unvote

Vote: ZZZX

Too many posts for a day 1. Has to be scum.

I thought ZZZX lurked as scum?

saki Achiga-hen says otherwise.

I want to know if Gork is an alt of somebody before I give them a townread for this recent chat with Titus.

I've read gork's and titus' arguments about 10 times and i still don't get why Titus is even getting agitated...

~Sakura

Three out of four of my last town games, I have been the d1 lynch. It's 3 for 3 if I didn't start dating game.

I wouldn't have directly inner here but I owed TPTG and they were having a hard time filling it up.

What about We Didn't Playtest This? Or are you strictly counting games you started and not replacements?

...at least Sonic hasn't been spamming. That's a plus...

[Voidedmafia]

pisskop replaces wgeurts effective immediately

I'll throw some flavor in here, just sit tight and stay moist


-kurb

My urges are rising. They cannot be satisfied without delicious, creamy flavor.

i am a mysterious individual.

also not talking for a while because quite frankly profgessor hurt my feelings and i am going to silently protest by gagging and bounding myself.

I think he has a thing for titus and he likes her and wants to take her to bed but she has no interest in him.

this was a little too romantic for the context of this game imo.

Well, I guess I'm not giving a read for you based on that, then.

Seems a bit like he is whiteknifht prof more then scum reading gork.

Granted, the reason I voted gork was a misread of who he was talking about--I thought he was talking about a vote from ZZZX rather than sarcastically calling his own vote scummy. I also won't deny I'll probably defend Mastin more than others, but I don't think I was WK-ing.

8 pages of stuff im not reading

Until later

No he's not reading ActionDan. Ika's slot votes me regardless of his alignment or my alignment and tunnels every game regardless of our alignment for the past 20 something games now. I tried to Wotc him but the mod was having trouble having the game to fill.

So basically, I'm hated or I sub out to give town a chance to not have to deal with ika's bullshit since no one calls him on that.

How about you don't bring it up and see if Ika does it anyways?

Yeah i'm never lynching titus this game

~Sakura

What? Because she gave a response she gives practically every time she knows Ika's posting?

I seriously wonder why both of them even bother joining the same game, regardless of the game's ability to fill.

[Voidedmafia]

/fart

im post restricted to be useless in my role pm

/fart

Isn't that your MO anyways...?

/fart


the more posts i have that are devoid of content, the more power roles i get


also i must speak in full nocaps

Yeahno.

Vote: masters of Fart

Just love working nights and coming home to games starting early in the day and being behind already... Catching up working backwards. Anyone- is there anything in particular worth reading closely at this point?

Now you know how I felt back from late 2011 to about mid-2013.

we're a gravedigger.

Noting this again in case it was missed.

We are a gravedigger, meaning we appear to have visited the dead to all investigatives.

~Wis

As in, when you use it?

Cuz the way you're phrasing it makes it sound like you appear like that regardless of if you visit.

[Voidedmafia]

And what's that and how exactly does it fit the theme of the game?

Ever heard of Necrophiliacs?

VOTE: Aneninen

I feel like he's trying to cast doubt on everything while ignoring the actual motivations behind the posts he's questioning.

~Wis

It does seem like it.

MS goes first, though.

maybe a buddy of yours has a PR which hints there may be a Tracker-like town PR.

yep, that must be it. I intend to do all the kills for my faction and I don't want to get caught so I claimed tracker miller

after all I just finished a game where a tracker called all scum, it makes sense!

Wow, you're right! Such a great call, Sakura!

(/obvioussarcasm)

meh. Regardless of whether Aneninen is scum or not, this dumbness feels real. Does anyone have experience with him?

I feel like I've a read a game he's been in, but I don't remember.

MoF must be really diligent in keeping up this post restriction.

im post restricted to be useless in my role pm

no youre not.

im going to pretend that the reason that im not going to vote for titus today is that ikas trash play wrt her in every game is worth protesting by not supporting it.
sure.
right.
yeah.
[you throwing a pity party is literally what i expect you to be doing as scum here tho so...
consider yourself lucky that i feel bad at the idea of being wrong -.-]
[[on a semi-related note i would be curious as to how mastin is reading titus]]

This pings me as to who your are but I'm not going to guess if you don't want me to.

[Voidedmafia]

However, as far as I can remember, there have been quite a couple of players talking about previous games instead of this particular game. I'd like to hear everyone's opinion about it. Isn't it possible that some scums are eagerly getting involved in conversations like that so as not to get noticed that no scumhunting is done by them at all...?

Meta-reading is a thing, yknow. A thing I don't care for, but still a thing.

Btw, that's a poor-ass use of trackers. Not until Sakura's shown some actually scummy stuff rather than a semi-sketchy claim.

nothing worse than arguing with this kind of people

i dont know if i should answer or it's pointless

Eh. I'd probably still do it anyways, but I get how you feel.

winner of 2015 team mafia, must be scum.

VOTE: aneninen

/fart

^
ftr i dont consider this "useless", as he's displaying a reason and a vote, whether the reason's true or not is irrelevant, it's still content, imo.

Now i go to class, cy'all later.

~Sakura

Still sucks ass. And in a bad way.

Not more ass-sucky than saint, though.

Vote: Saint

@Dramonic, a gravedigger is a miller to trackers and watchers.

Will catch up with the rest later.

source?

What Dram said.

All these dicks flying around and my votes stands on one that is dull still.

Ex-cuuuuuuuuuse me, princess.

[Voidedmafia]

Scumread on Anen is now serious.

Hate with a passion the Saint wagon.

Not seeing what you're seeing here.

I seriously wonder why both of them even bother joining the same game, regardless of the game's ability to fill.

simple, i dont give damns about people who play 99% of the time so titus signing up does nothign to me.

there are like 3 people i do care about when playing everyone else dont care

Yet you two almost always get into a spat about one's ability to read the other (usually Titus about yours). It gets old.

[Voidedmafia]

What? Because she gave a response she gives practically every time she knows Ika's posting?

When i saw her post i didn't know is something she does every game she's with Ika, second, even if that's true, that's not 100% of my reason for the townread (it was at the time of that post, but i explained it later) Why did you feel the need to poke at this post, yet not read the more argumented one given later?

~Sakura

I read the rest, mind, and I get that.

Haven't you seen Titus and Ika go at each other for their history?

Ika: ...hmph.

[Voidedmafia]

This pings me as to who your are but I'm not going to guess if you don't want me to.

welcome to guess.
someone else figured me out a while back already.

mollie?

[Voidedmafia]

im not sure what people are seeing in a saint wagon over tip wagon.
in all seriousness.
im feeling kind of bad about how quick that wagon is spurting up when tip wagon has better backing and was here first.

What makes TIP a better wagon than MoF?

[Voidedmafia]

mfw i didnt realize waynegg was here...

~Sakura

A man is sure that one is having flushed cheeks and sparkly eyes...

Is that really how Jaqen talks...?

VOTE: masters of fart

~Wis

Good vote!

MoF's OMGUS just cements the read.

Nope. It wasn't clear.
Who's surprised that I don't believe this?

I don't think a lot of people, if anyone, believe it.

Still can't see the structure to Saint's PR so it looks fake.

He's talking as if he's gagged. I'm not quite sold on its validity, but I can tell what the PR is. At the very least now is not the time to vote him just for the PR.

unvote
Vote: Masters of Fart

Farside: yes Voided is scummy, but as I discovered in Saki it's not actually possible for me to townread him. So while it would be an ok wagon, it would be nothing more than policy in effect.

*snort*

Coming from someone who was scum in Saki, I think you need a look from both sides of the spectrum before you can say that, just like Mastin needs to see a recent scumgame of mine before I'll let her put any faith in differentiating between town-me and scum-me.

Xtoxm just plummeted to the bottom of my scum list with that comment.

Not seeing, this, though.

[Voidedmafia]

okay.
1. our good friend dramonic was town in marquis's last pokemon upick. he faked a post restriction in that game. literally no reason to either.
2. are mof and saint both scum faking a post restriction? are we going to lynch mof d2 because surely there is 100% no reason town would ever fake a post restriction?
3. why would we lynch him over letting a vig shoot him?
4. surely this is at best a coin flip. saint is pretty terrible as town imo. i would literally be shocked negative amounts if he was just shitposting as town here. why would we not lynch someone we actually think is scum based on play thereby generating more content?

1. I hope that's not a suggestion to townread either of them.
2. Bastard game of varying degrees or not, I really don't see what the fuck the point is of faking one, and it annoys me to no end when people do.
3. ...I...suppose. That posits there's a vig in the first place, though.
4. Have experience with Saint, I take it?

As for MoF vs. TIP, 30+ posts of nothing is more than 4 posts of nothing.

[Voidedmafia]

I hate Gork's recent posting. He's subtly trying to push MoF as scum with no basis for doing so.

I have no idea what you're reading, Titus.

It's the exact same scenario as Jeanne actually. I was making the point that Jeanne was posting elsewhere back then. And now you're doing the same for TIP.

~Wis

That he's posting elsewhere?

Right, she wasn't caught up.
And she flipped

town

Okay, so are you suggesting TIP's town or scum? Because prior to this I was thinking you were kinda agreeing with Gork that TIP is scum.

Hey, don't snort at me!

Having the meta on you from Saki means I can adjust the natural scum vibes I get from your playstyle into nullness, and look for another route into discerning a read on you. Such means are probably not going to present themselves on D1, so I think you're a poor choice of D1 lynch.

This is a positive thing, no?

What natural scumvibes? the large posts? My habit of going on semi-tangents that tend to go nowhere for various reasons?

[Voidedmafia]

Oh there's a wagon on me cool

...Not sure if I should read as flippant town or trying-to-play-cool scum.

[Voidedmafia]

...Well, considering how I generally feel IRL, I'm not that surprised.

[Voidedmafia]

This is a scum post
Fence-sitting etc

First off, from one post?

Secondly, I don't ever recall one instance of stating how unsure I am of how to read a post being scummy.

Picking up from page 13 I know I won't get far but I'm going to read this game damn it.

Still scum reading void after his post
This post where he talks about ane reads pretty fake
The fluff post in the aboe feels weird to me for some reason.
this confirms his read on ane is fake

Whole thing about answering for people aside, WN's right. I was referring Prof's comment on the Saint wagon, not Anen.

Like seriously, you are claiming that after his slight agreement with my Aneninen scumread, 10 minutes later he contradicts himself by stating disagreement with mastin's Aneninen scumread. It doesn't make sense unless you think he's a terrible player.

~Wis

I feel like a terrible player half the time. Does that help at all?

Farside, I kinda like ya, but ya gotta get on the right track. This ain't it.

my view is kinda the opposite, I think that he should be able to do more than this if he was scum. In the end I don't know, which is why I don't mind a wagon on him all that much. But most likely he just doesn't care

(quoting this because it's the smaller one between it and 518)

It feels really slap-dash and a little forced, although I might be projecting a little because he focused on me. Like, I get the whole "he doesn't care" angle, but at the same time I get the feeling he is/was trying

something

with that post on me. It's really, really sloppy, but it's something. I just don't know what beyond the sloppiness.

[Voidedmafia]

im annoyed that i feel like jaqen is townier for having pushed this.

Meh it looks like trying to hard to me.

I agree he might have pushed it farther than necessary, but the impetus behind it feels town, if factually incorrect.

I said "Please dont judge me for my pathetic, white ass" I thought it was good enough to send the point but looked back, well clearly it didn't

And this is supposed to translate to miller

how

?

Maybe his ass is white because he's stuck never leaving his house due to his compulsive sex addiction. He even fucks the guy who brings him groceries, and he's straight.

Now you're just making up excuses for them.

OMG THANK YOU FOR UNGAGGING ME MY GIMP MASK WAS COVERING MY FACE

I AM A WATCHER WHO HAS TO SELF WATCH SO IT KINDA SUCKS BUT I CAN CLEAR TOWN WHO VISIT ME IF SOMEONE PROTECTS ME

...Wait, what?

So your neighbor decided to let you speak now? Seems...strange. (even for someone kinky enough to do BDSM).

Also, why did you claim?

[Voidedmafia]

Pisskop and Jaqen both need to stop talking about each other. Their mouths are needed elsewhere.

(speaking of, what have you talked about besides the neighbors, Pisskop?)

VOTE: TIP

He isn't taking the wagon seriously, and his only reaction to multiple call outs was to piggyback other accusations on Voided. I'm 100% okay with this one.

What other accusations? I'm pretty sure he was the first to call that post scum.

^pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft

You're not helping me

Reads on other players no named Jaqen, go!

Farside, you're welcome to ask me stuff, yknow. Although as far as reads go I feel like I've got a large pile of nulls, a small handful of townish people (Farside, Prof, Jaqen kinda, gork, and one more I can't recall the name of), and then my scumreads are on the people who aren't posting that much if at all.

unvote

I'll at least do that for now, but I'd like to see what else TIP posts before I join that wagon.

P-edit: You're not answering the questions.

I can hold him down for you, gork.

[Voidedmafia]

Reads on other players no named Jaqen, go!

Actually I'm tempted to use my 1 game of experience with them to scumread them

But I think its cute you find it town.

Only if they target you because you didn't claim a compulsion to target yourself.

I have no clue what you'd gain from claiming so early, claiming self-compulsion, and then on top of it being gagged.

Excited to hear from Anen

I have no idea who the hell those reads are on, or even if most of these are even reads. Try again with names and specific reasons.

Why vote for tip?
He's mainly trollish.

Like I said before, I feel like his post calling me scum was something, but it's very hard to figure it out based on just one post. I want to see whether or not he was going somewhere with that and if it's worth a damn before I vote him.

We mustn't talk about Titus I we have a guide on how to read her.

i sincerely hope youre being sarcastic.
also, youre voting for oversoul right now for being a chair.
you dont get to pull apart wagons for vapid reasons while sitting on such a shit vote.

Gork speaks the truth here.

I swear every read I have that even remotely leans scum is on the non-active people and it's driving me crazy.

[Voidedmafia]

i disagree. it's a way to create a town circle.

But if scum targets you then aren't you gonna die and thus render it pointless?

Damn it.
Flubber: what AtE are you talking about?

Titus getting angry at being run up D1, I think.

I kinda like Spiffeh, as well. 692 feels decently good.

gut says it is voided btw

pedit: i dont get what titus quotes ther mean but i know that Oversoul might be town prob

Wait, I'm what now?

[Voidedmafia]

Do you know why nobody has posted since you posted this?

It's because everyone knows you should be banned out of the game for this an their just waiting for me to show a reaction. Here it is. You are banned from forum mafia forever. Good bye

...

Does anyone actually use this definition for that smiley besides yourself?

I didn't say I'm offended, strawmanning is a crime.

I didn't indicate an outrage for you to question, nor do I care about any sort of elaboration on a strawman argument.

...

@MOD Replace me out and Loranthaceae (my main) in. I'll put this account to sleep with the fishes

Fuck no.

Vote: Loran/Naked

Now I want to policy you.

Why do these seem like an overreaction? Is Naked Jogger wagoned a lot too?

Because he yells that the votes are strawmanny, and because he's being called useless, my hydra partner tells him to then stop being useless and he replies with... my hydra head should be banned from forum mafia? that seems like a little too much for being prodded into producing content and i honestly dont believe anyone would even think that anything like that should even be deserving of a ban, even if he was exagerating when he mentioned "ban" getting angry for being asked for producing content is still over the top instead of... producing said content.

~Sakura

He hasn't seemed to change in over 2 years, I see.

[Voidedmafia]

While I agree that it's not logical, people don't always play mafia logically. Hence why I'd want to know if he was previously wagoned. I've publicly said I don't want to play with ika anymore due to his shit, so I'm naturally inclined to want to give him the benefit of the doubt to say it was inartfully expressing the same thing.

I am aware, i also do tend to have those kind of overreactions just from FoSes and what not as town, but his was like my overreactions times 10, also apparently Voided knows him and this might be a null/usual behaviour
@Voided: Since you seem familiar with his playstyle care to enlighten us?

~Sakura

This Double-Day Unlimited. In hindsight I kinda suspect he was trolling from the get-go, but for most of those posts (even on a re-read) I still have to wonder if he actually believed half the shit he said.

[Voidedmafia]

VM, we could do a hydra.

As a hilariously ironic sidenote, Whiskers and I did become a hydra and we actually called it Voidedpony.

@Voided, so your problem is not that he's AtEing now but rather he seemed sort of serious at the start? Rather than just linking a game, can you explain the distinction?

I'm...not sure I'm understanding your question here.

[Voidedmafia]

@Voided, I'm seeing similar but not exactly the same overreactions there. I'm asking you why you think this mirrors Naked's scumgame as opposed to his town game?

Where did I even make a connection to town or scum? I just want him gone, period.

[Voidedmafia]

10 years later...

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=31833 no wonder i had so much trouble finding it, it's a game i wanted to wipe from my memory.
That being said, it seems like he did produce content in other games, he didn't do so here and reacted aggresively when called out on it, so im not seeing any similarities.

~Sakura

Here or in my game? Because that sounds like exactly what he did in the game I linked.

Titus: I honestly don't care in regards to Loran. I don't see any reason why he should stay.

[Voidedmafia]

Just replying to that post?

[Voidedmafia]

Jaqen, at 25 player slots, why *don't* you think it is multiball? It is almost certainly a reality.

Saki Achiga-hen was about 21 but single team. Why can't a 25-man be single-team as well?

[Voidedmafia]

For the record, I have very strong reasons to suspect this is multiball, as I have already said. (Mara's hoping it's a red herring.)

You are aware you're being questioned for this, right?

[Voidedmafia]

i just farted in wisdom's face! do you want me to fart in voided's face too?

Plz mo.

Btw, Shos only: You scumread me because...?

lord gorkington is the chief detective!
...

well, that was before our discussion!

While probably true, this still reads as being very fidgety. About-to-lose-your-anal-virginity-to-a-big-cock fidgety. Which aren't good fidgets, btw.

when i fart at them it is an indication that they are wrong.

no, the players pushing me i think are town atm (voided + wisdom + you [are you pushing me?])

scum might hop on later but they need to do it carefully and not to trigger the FARTBOMB!


do you think my posting is scummy? why? what scum motivation do I have to be so obviously antitown?

/fart

You've farted at people for more than just that

you think I'm town, but shos thinks I'm scum. Which is prevailing here.

And you're almost always posting in an anti-town fashion, MS. That's almost you're calling card.

also, he looks like an asshole

He is.

[Voidedmafia]

Well he's faked a PR, dropped it and insta claimed when a wagon started on him and is now lurking.

That doesn't look town to me.

If he starts posting properly and looks town i'll have an easier time believing the claim.

faking a PR isnt scummy

dropping it is not either


insta claimed... that's where its notable.

i'm fine with your opinion, just try to scumhunt, all right?

/fart

...Oh my god.

I actually see something logical from MS.

MY WORLD IS ENDING!!!!

Vote: TheIrishPope

actually read some things now, time for the pain train to begin

Yknow, if I didn't know Loran was in this game, and if Saint could actually post something of substance, I'd join you on this. Get back with me once those two things are cleared up.

(as a sidenote, I feel slightly better about MoF. Lurking around the null/null-scum area, but not in my lynchpool for now.)

You don't get to start the game with a free scumflip very often, but when you do, you cash that check fucking immediately. And then the real game begins.

yeah we cashed that farting check in saki and look what happened!!

ez$

/fart

That's honestly a rather fair example.

A reasonable scum wouldn't?

counterpoint: ika

I don't think even ika's so apathetic as to not even try to post about the wagon.

[Voidedmafia]

Too many players + too much shitposting going on to tell. Day 2/3 will be clearer. I still think Voided is scum, and also whoever said that using tells like I did indicate scumplay because that is obviously false

So why is the fact that I wasn't (and honestly still can't) tell the emotion behind that post scummy?

there isnt one

they just dont like he's not posting

He's posted a scumread on me that doesn't make much sense. I think it's enough to start evaluating him by more than "he's not posting".

Hello I'm around ask me questions

will you visit me tonight? it will help the town if i can clear a few people

And what about TIP is worth clearing?

Hell, how/why do you even know TIP CAN visit you?

why do you misrepresent what happened with my claim? I felt absolutely no pressure when I claimed. A couple votes on me with 25 people doesn't fucking matter.What about my claim is shitty to you? I'd like you to elaborate.

You shouted that claim to the Three-Pronged God like you expected to drown in semen the very next moment. It very much read as someone panicking over a rising wagon in their ass than someone who was sitting comfortably on both ends.

Do you honestly expect us to buy that because a role visited you and didn't kill/roleblock you you're suudenly town and that person is also town?

...Wait, what?

Who did this?

[Voidedmafia]

I'm seeing fart as town.
The tip wagon is lazy and I'm just going to point out titus has talked about one whole scum with nothing and no push but ask others about there scum reads and why they are t pushing those reads.

I'm just going to sit here and play with myself.

Eventually I'll get a list together.

Now that you mention it (again, I suppose)...

Put Titus in the nullscum area.

[Voidedmafia]

VOTE: voidedmafia
TheIrishPope (3) - Profgessor Emotion, Titus, Anenien
Titus is town because I have experience with the whole "I'm always lynched D1 as town" stuff and this is basically a replica of what occurred
The others I didn't even know were in this game so I'll take a look at their isos if you want
Etc in this situation is used ironically, but I guess I could also talk about his egotism ("if I should read" reads as if the comment was directed at him), his dismissive attitude towards the post (ellipsis at the beginning), and his buzzword usage (flippant and tryingtoplaycool).

...Are you serious?

...You're serious...

Tammy, please tell me he's not serious.

[Voidedmafia]

don't like that reaction

Did you even read his case?

Summarize his case for me, and then tell me if my reaction's good or bad.

yeah he is, I'm sorry

My erection...it shriveled so fast...How am I supposed to make my daily offerings in this state?

[Voidedmafia]

Vote: TheIrishPope

I had hoped he wasn't serious. I'm disappointed he was.

P-EDIT: ...he doesn't even vote the right hydra.

[Voidedmafia]

Also, do you REALLY think I'm that egotistical? REALLY?!

[Voidedmafia]

He's posted a scumread on me that doesn't make much sense

your playstyle is scummy. I also scumread you last game. farside also scumread you here. I could see town-TIP doing the same.

The reasons you two scumread me in Saki were completely different than the reasons he's scumreading me here. It's like he found one post he could sorta dislike and base a scumread off of and bullshitted the reasoning for it. Plus, he only voted me when Imperium pushed him about that, too, and voted me in a "oh, meh, okay," way instead of "Oops, should be voting him!" kind of way; in this situation, the latter would read as more town to me than the former.

How the fuck do you get a town tell from that? To me, it says he doesn't give two shits about his vote as long as he appeases us and has zero desire to scumhunt.

does that sound like something someone who is trying to appear like a townie would do? doesnt to me. sounds like bored town

@prof, what is that list?

So apathetic he completely ignores someone stating a 100% read accuracy on him?

and the other "major point" was his vote on Voided - which for me is completely understandable given I scumread Voided for the same reason in last game and farside scumread him here. Voided's playstyle is just naturally scummy.

You scumread me in Saki for egotistical and dismissive play?

[Voidedmafia]

He's posted a scumread on me that doesn't make much sense

your playstyle is scummy. I also scumread you last game. farside also scumread you here. I could see town-TIP doing the same.

The reasons you two scumread me in Saki were completely different than the reasons he's scumreading me here. It's like he found one post he could sorta dislike and base a scumread off of and bullshitted the reasoning for it. Plus, he only voted me when Imperium pushed him about that, too, and voted me in a "oh, meh, okay," way instead of "Oops, should be voting him!" kind of way; in this situation, the latter would read as more town to me than the former.

How the fuck do you get a town tell from that? To me, it says he doesn't give two shits about his vote as long as he appeases us and has zero desire to scumhunt.

does that sound like something someone who is trying to appear like a townie would do? doesnt to me. sounds like bored town

@prof, what is that list?

So apathetic he completely ignores someone stating a 100% read accuracy on him?

and the other "major point" was his vote on Voided - which for me is completely understandable given I scumread Voided for the same reason in last game and farside scumread him here. Voided's playstyle is just naturally scummy.

You scumread me in Saki for egotistical and dismissive play?

Can you rephrase?

Actually, I think I forgot to answer this, but I'll address it more to your explanation than this.

You say that I was egotistical and dismissive of your post (acting like it was directed at me and the ellipses, respectively). I think it was fairly obvious that at the very least it wasn't directed at me, and was probably a more general post about your situation. Why is it egotistical to note the apathy in the post and state that I don't know what to decide between two ways to read it?

You state that using the ellipsis at the beginning is indicative of being dismissive. First of all I'd like to know why that is, and second of all I'd like to know if putting the ellipsis anywhere else would've produced the same effect.

[Voidedmafia]

Well sheesh, I'm sorry, but I didn't have the POST TAG TO CLICK which you don't add in your manual quoting, so I CANNOT READ THE CONTEXT and was only guessing from memory! In my memory, I am not reading Jaqen as town because of anything you wrote; I read him because of things HE wrote. If you quoted him and I quoted you quoting him, and said THIS is why I'm townreading him, it's not because YOU QUOTED IT,it is because of WHAT YOU QUOTED. and that was posted by JAQEN. not YOU.

Usually when I have quote someone and they have a quote within theirs, I'm referring to their post, not the post they quoted. It's fair to assume that most other people do it that way, too.

24. Voidedmafia - leaning scum for LHF and some more things that just don't line up for me with town voided. I'm also scarred from the last game he beat me in, where he played very well, lol.

...What game was that? I've only played in...5 games since I came back (Lurker, HUB1, We Didn't Playtest This, Saki Achiga-hen, and this one). Unless you're referring to before I left in early 2014.

TiP is being wagoned for more than lurking. He's being wagoned based on his response to early votes, his total apathy, and lack of scumhunting. You are saying he's being wagoned by scum, but your readwall has pisskop as your only scumread there. Hell he's practically the only scumread in your wall.

To be completely fair, literally half the game are lurking their asses off, and that's reflected in all the nulls.

6. NakedJogger - null, don't have any memory of this guy[if this is the one who replaced his alt by his main then scum]

yes, he was.

I scumread you for your playstyle. I don't know if those are the adjectives I'd use, but it's scummy looking.

Those're pretty much why he scumread me, or at least the reason he disliked that post. Those were two specific adjectives, too, for two different reasons.

It really doesn't read like someone disagreeing with my playstyle. Mainly because egotistical is by far the last thing I feel

anyone

should call me at any point in time, and because I still really don't get how that was egotistical at all.

The dismissive charge makes a bit more sense because I can be that, but it's placement doesn't.

@Voided, how often are you mislynched? Do you get this scummy play a lot?

Since I came back? Only once in HUB1.

How should I know?

P-EDIT: Comes from 2010. Has no idea what those terms mean.

Really?

[Voidedmafia]

That's not really helpful for analyzing Voided's play. :/

what was ur dayfuck ability?

Can we lynch this now?

After Loran and pisskop, sure.

[Voidedmafia]

what was the dayfuck then

Fucking, during the day.

Under the noonday sun, the hot rays streaming across your backs as you make sweet, sweet love under their gentle caresses, sensuously stoking your fires to even higher temperatures to make that climatic release so much stronger...

...Oh, we're playing a game, too? Okay, then.

farside: The only person I recall giving Shos any shit for that readslist is Titus.

[Voidedmafia]

I think Masters of Fart is scum and they are currently voting pisskop. bleh, don't like the wagon already but I guess. TIP wagon is stalling

Saint should really be the lynch for today. Blatant rolefish on something that was obviously a joke.

VOTE: Pisskop

excuse me?
in this bastard game where I'm a gimp, you think that's a blatant rolefish?

how the fuck can you fucking rolefish an ability that's already fucking used?

How is it used? Are you suggesting there was an ability used N0?

[Voidedmafia]

@MOD

V/LA: estimating 3 days.

Can I get some assurance that this is going to be among the first to die? Today, maybe?

Vote: Loran

[Voidedmafia]

how about you stop calling every wagon that happens a counterwagon to someone

~Wis

EVERY WAGON IS A COUNTERWAGON TO EVERY OTHER WAGON!

Loransagsgweadg is so bad that I don't buy the V/LA which sounds kind of douchey and relentless but it's frustrating that we'll have to twist his arm for some content

Which is why we should get rid of him! TIP at least gave a semblance of content.

What're you getting so flustered for? It's fairly accurate.

If I don't make this post about white narc defending tip from lynch without calling him town I'll forget about it when we get some flips

I'm pretty sure at most WN were split on TIP? Either Sakura was calling him scum and Wis was calling him town, or both were calling him town.

[Voidedmafia]

I think Masters of Fart is scum and they are currently voting pisskop. bleh, don't like the wagon already but I guess. TIP wagon is stalling

Saint should really be the lynch for today. Blatant rolefish on something that was obviously a joke.

VOTE: Pisskop

This wagon is also inevitably going to stall when it isn't endorsed by these ghost balls of mine :/

Let's do something better together!

Like lynching Loran?

Pisskop why haven't you revealed the scumtell that TIP popped?

I guess I wasnt clear when I said NO. Shoo off away with you now.

How 'bout no, you explain now/soon?

Because he's um lurking and then declared V/LA? There are many things that cause a stirring in my loins and awaken my bloodlust. This is not one of them.

First, did you check the game I linked? It clearly showcases what Loran is like. Sure, he flipped town that game, but I doubt his play is any different between alignments.

Second, how is his little breakdown before flipping from Nakedjogger in any way a town reaction?

And third, what has he done after switching? TIP at least has posted something. The only people I'd accept a lynch on over him are Pisskop and TIP, and all TIP has to do is simply post more often, really.

your push is like a hot load of aids.

Well, what

have

you really done besides this soft/hard push on TIP?

[Voidedmafia]

You're literally arguing that, as scum, I would be so bold/brazen/stupid to make a claim I couldn't back up instead of say, voteparking on Saint and his overzealous caliming or hopping down jager or doing any number of things with the notes I would have.

And you're arguing that scum can't say "I have this thing on X but I won't tell you what it is" when they very obviously can?

He is my master.

Who? Loran?

Then I just want you dead even more, after Loran of course.

Ok so you're basically saying you're grudgevoting which should be bannable

Farside, your vote has been proven to suck eggs. Your logic has been refuted, and all that's left is your stubbornness. you just goty out of a theme with me, where my play was more or less in line with this game. I dont have to prove a thing; you made the claim that my meta didnt match.

No one has done any of that.
Stop bs'ing

...Yes you did?

I do recall you saying he wasn't playing to his town meta. At the same time, I think both of you have made claims about it, so it's not really a point either way.

[Voidedmafia]

Because he drew a red role pm

I could say that about roughly 4-5 people in this game. Does that make it true or valid?

Hey look, my case is as strong as yours is

Not really.

[Voidedmafia]

Where's this "huge resistance" to an Ika wagon?

If by "huge resistance" he means "no one is willing to vote Ika", then I guess there is.

I just don't think that slot needs to go. (I think I may get some more info on what has Sakura so miffed since I think I have Touhou UPick 2 on my read-later list, though.)

thats great and all.
except hold on just give me a second..
VEZOK IS CLEARLY SCUM AND NOBODY WANTS TO VOTE HIM.

like christ.
ika lurked out. thats practically half a scumclaim.
vezok entered into this game with the least "vezok" approach ive ever seen.
this is the guy who shouts about someone being scum and calls people idiots for trying to convince him otherwise.
this isnt someone who buddies and asks for someone to tell him whos scummy.
this isnt someone who avoids a fight with someone.
townvezok would be calling me a moron right now.
fact that nobody wants to sheep this just makes it even fucking better, because it should be a comically easy wagon to get going and instead people are dogpiling on pisskop.
get your shit together whoever is fucking town this game and vote for vezok or tell me why im wrong.

Remind me, does Vezok know who you're an alt of?

Also, most sources indicate ika siteflaked, so I don't really see how that's a tell.

I thought people didn't like when I called them morons so I try not to do it, but if you really want to be called moron I can do that.

If this is true, that seems to invalidate about half of the points on there, or at least the "moron" one (I'm extrapolating this to mean he might not be as aggressive as you're claiming he should be, which doesn't sound too farfetched, but I'm not the one with extensive Vezok experience, nor insights to what changes he's made, so).

1. pretend to scumhunt
2. invent yourself a reason to jump on the wagon
3. profit?

/master

altslip aside, this is exactly what I was thinking.

And the reason you invent is something you can't back up?

Because you expect that the wagon will have taken off and you wouldn't need to explain yourself anyways if it had, and/or you persuaded people enough to follow you on your vagueness that the lynch will happen before they wise up to it.

i approximately feel like fresh's scumreads are so bad that they're actually slightly more likely to be coming from town.

Slight agreement here. At least in regards to the read on you.

Pisskop not revealing his scum tell could just be so he can use it again

When? the next game day? The next game TIP and pisskop are in?

That's just an excuse for never revealing it, if one even exists.

Jingle/Sthar have tells like that on a bunch of players and they seem to be getting a lot less shit for it than piss is

Then I'll have to remember to push them on this point if I see it pop up.

[Voidedmafia]

Pisskop not revealing his scum tell could just be so he can use it again

that does not fit, since he said he WILL reveal it after a flip, and a flip does not change that.
But good thinking. interesting.

/master

And what promise is there that he won't reveal it tomorrow, regardless of TIP's flip?

If TIP is town, he can just say, "Oh, well, my scumtell wasn't a scumtell after all!" or say something along the lines of it not being that damning or something.
If TIP is scum, he can go back to saying "Look, you guys lynched him without my help! Why do I need to tell you now when he's already dead?"

Is this a NJ replacement?

NJ is an alt of Loran.

<3
k theres half of mof's case gone for reasons that i can swallow.
other half is shit pisskop does as town in my experience.
so.
vezokwagontime?
pls?

Hold up, how does that work?

Pisskop shouldn't be able to say "I'm not going to reply because spite" and that suddenly magics away Shos's case. If anything, it strengthens it!

Hi. Thanks for reminding me that my town-game needs more work.

My point is not to belittle you but to attract more suspicion to your wagon

In other words, you believe that scum has started a case on pisskop and then let his resultant spamming stand as a case in and of itself, more or less?

Sho's has made me SUPER sad.

and the only reason I'm not voting TIP is because I don't like the pisskop wagon. I still have reservations on him, Tammy

Oh lovely trouser gods, please forgive me and grant me fertility

You don't like the pisskop wagon, so you won't vote TIP? what?

P-EDIT: And that immediately discounts that people might be stupid enough to try it anyways?

[Voidedmafia]

why are you pushing something so retarded so hard voided? Like if you have to work on the supposition that Im a moron in order for your scumread to float you've got a real problem.

I'd like to believe I'm not stupid, either, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't think to do that if my state of mind at the time would allow for it.

But fine, I'll drop that point. But I still honestly don't see any point at all in this continued deflection, redirection, and *insert 3rd word that rhymes with "-ion" of the fact that you hinted at this scumtell that could get TIP lynched but have never explained it despite given multiple oppurtunities to do so and you admitting that there's no reason for you to not give it.

Hold up, how does that work?

Pisskop shouldn't be able to say "I'm not going to reply because spite" and that suddenly magics away Shos's case. If anything, it strengthens it!

if you look at the dumb first reason and ignore the second good reason then yes, it does sound like it doesn't make sense doesn't it?
unfortunately theres this thing called "someone saying more than one thing". which basically means in this case at least, that pisskop gave a second reason that actually made sense to me for why he didnt want to talk about the scumtell. i also dont really believe that scumpisskop would just magic a scumtell out of thin air as scum. i dont think hes that careless.

Unless I'm reading it wrong or read the wrong post, he quite literally said he's not saying why out of spite. That should never fly as a reason for anything.

[Voidedmafia]

oh hey we are two today!

Happy Birthday, Imperial hydra!

(remind me, what was your inaugural game? I swear it was my Large Normal Nightless, but I could be wrong because that was probably 2012, not 2013)

If Mara was town that hadn't recognized the changes, she wouldn't be so sure on her read on me. It's scum that deal with absolutes.

Because town have totally never been that convinced of someone's scumminess without a cop claim before.

super-tentative townread on CKD, with the strength increasing or moving to a scumread pending the rest of his catch-up.

@Spiffy, honestly there isn't much worth quoting. Its an ISO full of spam and voting without real reasoning, something you're accusing me of voting for. So maybe we're teammates then? But I see a scumread.

But...no specifics?

What am I evading? Its the first day and I like almost nothing you post? Fix that ok

Spiffeh's 1636 responds to this nicely. Doubly so because this is not an answer to "what posts by pisskop are an attempt to 'town' his way out of a lynch".

Also, an I the only one who sees TIP kinda calling himself scum by saying only scum deal with absolutes? (Something he should know is false anyway)?

Yes.

unvote
vote: hiplop

...Who are you voting? The wind? Did it make cuts on your cock while you were stroking it in the outdoors?

Vote: Fresh

Nobody wants to remove Loran, so.

[Voidedmafia]

in terms of my "posting restriction" where this is a bastard mod i didn't want to risk it. when you have a tight mask on your face, you act like it.

How does that have ANY relation to the fact you voted someone

not even in this game

?

[Voidedmafia]

^ town vezok is aggressive and tunnelly.

this isnt him

And what stops it from being a slight shift in Townvezok

Hi, has naked loraine flaked?

Good riddance if he did.

furthermore i wasnt responding to you. i was talking to curiouskarmadog.

And that means I can't respond as well, how?

[Voidedmafia]

you're more than welcome to respond to me but your response was talking about how what i said wasn't relevant to what you said when what i said wasn't directed to you and had nothing to do with what you said

...Okay, I think I understood this.

I was referring to the game in general because hiplop isn't a player in this game, not to anything I said.

VOTE: pisskop

And now I officially hate the pisskop wagon.

VOTE: pisskop

So when are we lynching this?

Fresh is no better.

Fresh isn't as terrible as Loran, though.

[Voidedmafia]

...Who?

[Voidedmafia]

I'd rather keep it in case theres some special reason its set up the way it is.

In case what is set up the way it is? The wagon?

[Voidedmafia]

Hi we arent talking about it more than we have to kthnx

I just want to know if you were referring to the Loran wagon or not (or yours, even).

[Voidedmafia]

How in the world is pisskop still alive?
The fuck are you people jerking at.

Pisskop's alive because Loran is.

[Voidedmafia]

will you stop saying that?

What a poor excuse to not vote me. If I were you second stringest scumread youd vote me.

No because I don't fucking want Loran here, period. Nevermind that he hasn't done anything worth townreading.

If Loran replaces out, all the better since we don't have to waste a lynch on him.

[Voidedmafia]

@Flubbernugget could you elaborate?

Fresh provided an accurate summary to pisskop's reaction to his wagon and you're saying he's not allowed to do that because he didn't compile a quote wall for you

In 1480 or a later reply?

I just gave up on reading the game and am handing out random townreads so people don't lynch me.

Once Piss is dead you will be!

At least, that's what I have to do to get you wagoned and lynched.

[Voidedmafia]

fuck that. People use meta all the fucking time as a grounds for town or scum reads. But if its on someone like this who is INCREDIBLY CUT AND DRY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, you strawman the whole fucking wagon by saying "oh its meta"

But you agree it's meta in some fashion?

Besides, I'm not a holder to meta. From what I see in this game I see a player who has been pressured to respond to others based on himself and not seemingly given the time to do his own things. It's a point against him that I would expect more from him, but it's not damning especially because it's more than

other

people have done in this game. I'm not interested in this wagon.

[Voidedmafia]

Wait nevermind. I'm an idiot.

Wrong game?

[Voidedmafia]

Jesus Christ too many posts.
What's new? Has anyone asked me questions?

Yes.

Your job to find them, though!

[Voidedmafia]

Vote: Pisskop

I am loathe to join any wagon with Loran on it, but I'm not getting on the Vezok one.

[Voidedmafia]

Vote: Pisskop

I am loathe to join any wagon with Loran on it, but I'm not getting on the Vezok one.

The most faux outrage ever

Why are you calling it "faux" when I've been against Loran ever since I know NakedJogger was his alt?

Like, I haven't been subtle about this

at all

. Do you want me to hold a big sign in my sig that says "I HATE LORAN" or something to make it more convincing for you?

[Voidedmafia]

Hell, if there was another viable wagon up that wasn't Vezok, I'd be on that one. However, I wouldn't call Fresh's two votes (at the time of TPTG's last VC) a viable wagon compared to Vezok's 9 and your 8.

So stuff it.

[Voidedmafia]

fuck that. People use meta all the fucking time as a grounds for town or scum reads. But if its on someone like this who is INCREDIBLY CUT AND DRY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, you strawman the whole fucking wagon by saying "oh its meta"

But you agree it's meta in some fashion?

Besides, I'm not a holder to meta. From what I see in this game I see a player who has been pressured to respond to others based on himself and not seemingly given the time to do his own things. It's a point against him that I would expect more from him, but it's not damning especially because it's more than

other

people have done in this game. I'm not interested in this wagon.

Right here.

I'm not going to claim I have any experience with Vezok (I actually don't recall ever being in a game with him or modding a game he was in, although I recall reading/spectating a few games that had him in it; he wasn't my focus, though), so I am giving some level of deference to those who have experience with him. At the same time, I'm not going to instantly decry because he hasn't done enough yet this game, nor I am I going to lynch him based on what he has done because there's honestly about 7+ people that need to go before him if that's the case.

Talk to me about a Vezok lynch tomorrow if he doesn't appear to be keeping up, but he's not a lynch for me today. (well, maybe not including you, Pisskop, depending on who--if anyone--gets lynched)

[Voidedmafia]

@Voidedmafia do you have a personal quarrel with Loran or do you actually think he's scum? Because I really can't tell right now.

I don't care much for what he posted as NakedJogger, but I suppose there's some degree of personal involved.

(at least I'm not abandoning the game because he's here *coughsakuracough*)

[Voidedmafia]

No.

[Voidedmafia]

yes

buying hammer

giving free town read to hammer

Seriously?

[Voidedmafia]

Saint is scum.

VOTE: Saint

This intruigues me.

Vote: Saint

Although I have no idea what you mean in 1929.

In real life I have a craving for Vordem, a piece of mutated whale genitalia! Try to top that fetish

...

Their paranoia of my slot is fucking ridiculous. Wisdom should easily see in a flash this is my town game. Sakura being wishy washy about it is ridiculous scum induced hydra dissonance.

LYNCH WISDOM HYDRA TODAY

Bit more interested in what OS has got, depending on how that pans out I might join you. Probly not till Loran's gone, though.

I don't really think them having hydra dissonance is a point against them, though, since it's been evident throughout the game.

Wis kept pushing for a vezok lynch but not once did I see him explain why vezok was scummy.

He probably wanted to get me back into the game, since i explicitly told him that i wouldn't play together with vezok and i wouldn't post or do anything until vezok died.

~Sakura

Which personally annoys me. I wanted Loran out but you didn't see me copping out completely, hydra or not.

Regardless of the reasons, I'm not amused that you prevented everyone else from being able to read you because you can't play with 1 player out of, what, 23 others?

[Voidedmafia]

Also i remember reading in the Scum PT of Saki Achiga that Hermit says that he trolls 80% of the time as scum, so he might as well be scum here

~Sakura

He did? Great!

(I honestly didn't read the scum PT even if I should've. Faux-catching up was enough for me.)

SAKURA IS CONFIRMED SCUM

And now I'm losing interest.

Show us this ritual.

You know exactly what I'm talking about. There's no need to do redundant stuff like that

And what about those who don't?

[Voidedmafia]

I'm not trying to prove to you that you're scum, Sakura. I'm going to prove to the town that you're scum.

Continue proving yourself scum.

@Mara call Mastina to get on the line. Tell her the queen of bees has arrived. It's time to wreck some scum, sonic style.

You haven't proved anything to me yet.

Sakura Sakura. We both know that I am very familiar with how both you and Wisdom play. You're as transparent as a clean sparkly windowglass.

Your job isn't to "prove I'm lying", it's to convince the others that you're town before I lynch the ever living lights out of you.

And Wisdom isn't here to help for a few hours.

Her job isn't to convince others they're town. Onus of proof isn't on her. At most her job IS to prove you're lying.

Your

job is to prove to the rest of us that you have proof of her scumminess. Part of that job is to prove this "ritual" Sakura does to sort you since you think its absence is so damning.

Get hopping, meatsticks.

[Voidedmafia]

@Mod: replace me out of the WN hydra, wisdom will take it from here on his own if he wants.

Good job, MS! You've officially turned me off the WN wagon!

titus has gotten away with making dumb jokes and poking at nothing all game.

We should be lynching TiP but we are not. I like the people on the Vezok wagon better.

no commentary from her on ika.
this is literally just a sheep.
this isnt fucking town titus.
get your head in the game farside.

But Ika, like, barely even posted?

Were you expecting Titus to keep up an endless tirade on Ika regardless of whether or not Ika was here? Because otherwise that makes no sense.

no but farside.
vote titus.
im not even going to play coy, i have a guilty on her.

I want to know what OS was talking about at the start of the day first because that just might be a guilty as well (at the very least it sounds like it). If not, then I'll join you.

also titus isnt historically easy to lynch.
also also the context of this is a very large game with people who are going to cry about bastardness making guilties unreliable.

She really isn't. I have first-hand knowledge of that.

But, if Farside is the same way, I'm not going to argue that. Just let me catch up all the way before I vote (assuming this isn't some Saki-esque thing where it's already done and I don't need to worry <_<)

unvote

[Voidedmafia]

And how info is that really? Is it a MoF guilty where Fork has tricked Farside? A reaction test? A straight up scum fake by Gork? We see plenty of people town reading me but voting because of this guilty in a bastard game. That's an easy setup to Mislynch me and then Mislynch Gork when I flip town.

The thing is, I think Gork is being honest here. Maybe there's something screwing up her results, but there's some earnestness in her push that I like (townread on her notwithstanding).

Besides, if farside is telling the truth, there's two points against you, Titus. Can't really argue that.

Vote: Titus

[Voidedmafia]

Oops, forgot the rest.

pfff

i hope you get vigged.
its literally sad that you werent.

Agreed.

I barked out a laugh when he voted me. It's cute.

VOTE: Titus
WN should be vigged so mod doesn't have to find a replacement for them and they are also scum so win/win.

Nah on WN. I'd prefer Loran.

^ What's stopping scum from doing the same thing? If you're town you're just giving scum an excuse to say "oh yeah I'm doing that too" which makes it harder to pin them down later on.

At least explain your vote.

This is at Loran, right?

I still want TiP lynched but I was hoping to watch for awhile to see his reaction. If TiP is scum, then scum would not bus and that's why the wagon failed. If TiP is town, we are in agency capture.

Agency capture?

I know MoF mentioned it at daystart but what the hell does that mean?

WN, PE, Fork, farside and Imperium IMO.

And where has Imp been? I can buy Gork and WN, and Farside, but not Imp.

So we have "confirmed scum" on three people, me, Saint and Sakura. Hmm.

Not Sakura. That's more bullshit than anything.

[Voidedmafia]

So we have "confirmed scum" on three people, me, Saint and Sakura. Hmm.

Enlighten me titus.
In my memory there are only two guilties. Who and where did anyone say Saint is confscum? Reminding that saint is a self watcher who claimed d1.

OS?

[Voidedmafia]

I am not a cop.
I didn't claim results because I have none.

My vote stands.

*blinks rapidly*

Pardon?

And how info is that really? Is it a MoF guilty where Fork has tricked Farside? A reaction test? A straight up scum fake by Gork? We see plenty of people town reading me but voting because of this guilty in a bastard game. That's an easy setup to Mislynch me and then Mislynch Gork when I flip town.

Wait wait, a MoF guilty? Where had Gork claimed a guilty on

MoF

?

[Voidedmafia]

I didn't stutter

...Then I should assume your vote is staying due to reactions?

[Voidedmafia]

so its the godfather bit and not the town bit that makes you think that.
lol.

I'm pretty sure that's not it.

Vote: Saint

Back to this, though

[Voidedmafia]

But isn't "Godfather Townie" redundant?

I assume it means a townie that comes up town on inspection which is what a regular townie is.

I've heard of Mastin clamoring to have a Town GF role (she can correct me if I'm wrong, though), and I'm not surprised if kuribo or T-Bone wanted one.

Even so, I do believe Gork's cop claim, which is why I don't immediately believe he's lying. I feel like Titus thinks the same way, if in part because of her role.

P-EDIT: ...You do know what Titus said, right?

PE2: Also, what Farside said.

[Voidedmafia]

like what exactly do you think is happening here voided?
if youre defending titus and saying you think im town then what exactly is happening?
because im not faking my guilty.

Someone fucked with your result, or you're just being delusional. Which is in and of itself unbelievable, so someone fucked with your result.

I don't really think there's any PRs that can actively nullify a GF (since that's a passive ability), so it's pretty much something wrong on your end.

And please don't exaggerate what I said into "PR DUN WURK!"

Donald Trump is a modern day man whore trying to collect as many wives as Henry VIII. So yes he does fit.

Brett Farve is the guy who showed his junk to a reporter.

There are no flipped scum.

Town GF functions as a named townie and a rolecop miller.

VOTE: Hermit

Fresh beat me to the punch, but why did you vote Hermit that quickly? Or at all, for that matter?

UGH IS THIS REALLY SO FUCKING HARD

I crumbed it like 3 times already
we have a guilty on WISDOM/SAKURA

I apologize for getting mad at you sonic, i thought you were misreading me and that caused me to ragequit. Whatever guilty you may have doesn't change that I'm town, but if it's a tracker/watcher guilty you're in for some yelling coz we claimed Gravedigger like in our first post.

Your response, MoF?

[Voidedmafia]

^^^^^ Titus scumbuddy?

Titus could be saving her skin. I'd certainly be on the "vote Titus" end over "Vote Gork" end if I had to pick one of the two. But Titus's claim is plausible enough that I'm willing to drop it for today. If Gork finds someone else who is town and gets town, then it's probably likely Titus is lying. Or whatever kind of result she needs to prove Titus is lying. And then I'll be on that lynch as fast as a sex-starved nymphomanica who saw his first pussy/her first cock (or whatever fits your orientation) in months. But I'm pretty sure we're not going to prove it today (other than the obviousness of lynching, but since I don't see either side as worth lynching atm it's obviously off the table for me), and Gork is going to insist on his guilty just as much as Titus will profess her innoncence.

So, instead of bickering over something that can't be proved today, I'm instead going to focus in on what OS says he has on Saint. Assuming he shows up to post again.

[Voidedmafia]

Isn't Gork a cop, though? That was my impression.

[Voidedmafia]

Regular cop, not rolecop.

[Voidedmafia]

No. If I did I probably wouldn't have signed up at all.

[Voidedmafia]

Before he switched I was scumreading him based off of play. After it, I still scumread him but just wanted him gone, period, due to prior experience.

[Voidedmafia]

Hermit claims knowledge of multiple scum roles. Therefore he dies.

You mean that list of claims he posted before this you vs. Gork thing started?

I'm...85% sure that's trolling.

[Voidedmafia]

In the post I quoted he said multiple scum flips, but hey I guess scummy shit by anyone else is trolling.

Just vote me. Gork fake claimed and won a Mislynch.

I mean, I get Hermit said multiple scum flips. But I'm not drawing the link between that and him being scum?

Besides, this game is pretty much non-vanilla. Him believing there are multiple scum roles doesn't sound that outlandish. I guess I'm not really understanding the thrust of your argument here.

[Voidedmafia]

Voided, it's a scumslip implying that Hermit knows multiple scum roles and trying to peg me as similar. Believing there's more than one scum player in a game this size is DUH! Knowing said flips is another matter entirely.

Ah.

But OS's claimed (and currently uncontested) guilty, doe...

[Voidedmafia]

Titus, you didn't even bother to ask how I know scum flavor (which you have)

I think there is more than enough evidence to convict you today

I question everything you post. Some I just don't actually post out loud.

I'm not inclined to believe you're town with this information, either. Regardless of Titus's alignment.

[Voidedmafia]

@VoidedMafia

If Titus flips scum, your opinion of me isn't going to matter. You will be the first one dead and gone.

BTW, take my word for it, Titus is scum. If I were outing a scumbuddy and starting a wagon on em out of thin error, I am pretty sure I would be modkilled by now

I'd like to see you try.

And what the HELL are you even talking about?

I'm working.
Can someone summarize the guilty results?
Also. As far as I've read, noone has claimed any of the kills, have they? This means it's a multiball.

Jaqen claimed the pisskop kill, no one claimed the Flubbernugget kill.

Also:
OS has what amounts to a guilty on Saint (not a clear-cut cop-like guilty, but a guilty all the same).
Gork has a guilty on Titus, who claimed Town Godfather in response.
MoF has a claimed (cop?) guilty on White Narcissus.

Before Gork even posted, MoF said this guy was guilty.

If that's your logic, you should be voting Saint. OS said he was guilty before anyone even posted.

I like this post, though. The flippancy (especially in the P-edit) sounds more town than scum.

Ok wis said he'll continue in but he wont post as much since he's busy.
@Sonic: You wouldn't even know your own sanity in a bastard game, I know i'm town and your result is wrong or you're lying.

~Sakura

Isn't this

not

a bastard game? And no, I don't think Town Godfather is a bastard role. Non-stardard, but not bastard.

He's probably at least being honest about not being insane, which is a slight step up from HUB1 (which is my closest frame of reference, although I can't recall off my head if his cop claim there was a fakeclaim).

also since this seems to be common knowledge that I dont have...where does it say this is a bastard game?

here

~Wis

Op mentions nothing about it being bastard, though?

CKD is being overly semantic about MoF's claim. It's pretty obvious MoF was trying to crumb/soft a guilty on WN without outright saying so, although the reason I'm not going to pursue it is because MoF so far hasn't responded to WN's counter of their gravedigger claim (which they DID claim D1, I remember that much in part because I asked about it).

If they have a guilty that circumvents what a gravedigger would false positive on (and thus be a true positive), I'm all for it, otherwise OS has the priority guilty of the three known ones.

[Voidedmafia]

There is no way to know that if you used your action on WN. Unless you're not a cop at all which you could have said you're not a cop at all.

What?

[Voidedmafia]

os doesnt have a guilty, voided

~Wis

Still, he's being pretty insistent on it, and it doesn't sound like it's a carryover from yesterday, so I want some follow-up on that.

Master of Fart said he had a guilty on WN. But he claims to not be an insane cop. How would he know that if an action was used on WN. I need clarification.

So what else could he possibly be?

idk, a

sane

cop? Hello?

[Voidedmafia]

Not a guilty Dram. I'm a chair remember. This may as well be though. Saint is Obvscum.

I'm aware. That's why I want him to explain where it's coming from, now.

P-EDIT: Maybe. Although that just rendered everything that just happened moot, at least from my PoV. Except for the stuff with Hermit, anyways.

PE2: Except part 1 can be explained by him being a sane cop (I had the role before, so I should know; I'm not going to profess to know that's what he has, just that it's a possibility). Alternately, he could just be pushing what he believes to be a truthful role.
For part 2, where'd he say he used it on himself?

[Voidedmafia]

Uhm... plz no.

The day just started and alot of people haven't gotten a chance to check in yet, or read up and grt current

Maraaaa. Where is Mastiiiin?

[Voidedmafia]

Dear god, what the hell are you doing farside?

Making the right call.

Make them kill

WN

Loran, obviously

FTFY.

Take two: Stop fucking voting Titus until we've reached a consensus on the "vig" neighborhood. We need to leash that shit.

Do we even know if there's scum in it?

ok someone visited me last night
i am a vanilla townie

great

Prior to this he said he was a self watcher.
He would have seen someone visiting him and vote that player if he was vanillized.
If he is claiming straight up vt i would like him to clarify.

This is a very salient point.

You said yourself that you are anti-marriage, and that is anti-love, which is the equivalent of claiming to not share our win objective.

...That makes absolutely no sense.

[Voidedmafia]

That's not a Godfather, Titus.

If by "negative" she means "town/not mafia", then isn't it?

[Voidedmafia]

town godfather and miller?

i dont think that makes sense

Where did Titus say she claimed miller?

[Voidedmafia]

But didnt we have a miller claim already?
I also assume negative would be either no result or scum.

~Sakura

I don't remember someone claiming miller D1. The only vaguely miller-ish role I recall being claimed is you claiming gravedigger.

[Voidedmafia]

Slobberknocker claimed miller iirc

Oh, right, he did. Derp.

[Voidedmafia]

We have a guilty on WN. It isnt hard. Not a wprd about the commune. GUILTY.

So the fact they claimed Gravedigger means nothing? Why?

Also all flavot speculations are stupid and should be ignkred

I've been ignoring him from t=1. Not that it's helped.

No. I'm in the vast majority, but I read limited posting as more likely to come from a PR than scum because the first thing people holler is 'lynch the lurker' in practically every game so scum have little motivation to lurk. I started scum reading you with the spec about multiball. When people start guessing about scum setup, particularly on D1 it raises my eyebrows. When they turn out to be right, I've noticed they're often scum looking for an easy 'told ha so' later on. With only one flip excluding our vig, it looks like you're wrong though so there's that. My neighbor was also town reading you yesterday, so there's that too.

Yet scum still lurk to their benefit or detriment (see: Saki Achiga-hen), so I don't see why you think this is worth anything.

Why do you think he's wrong about multiball?

My main problem with Saint and TheIrishPope is not the lack of content, although that describes their Day2. I simply returned to my Day1 scumreads; because their Day2 haven't changed anything on that.

how is what they've done (or lack thereof) any different from today? Especially in Saint's case?

My reaction precisely re: the couple posts above this one.

[Voidedmafia]

because i dont want to fucking interact with you.
youve been a useless _______ all game. trolling. making dumb jokes.
i dont give a shit if you have any kind of ability. i dont want to engage someone who fucking fills the thread will bullshit and doesnt play the game.
i hope youre scum.
because if youre town your entire thought process and play makes me want to vomit.

Hear, hear!

(your shoes)
Mod: here is an unfamiliar role.
Me: hey, mod how does it work?

(you)
Mod: here is an unfamiliar role.
you: okay.

(my shoes)
Me: calling bullshit on you

Who is this at?

im 3rd highest poster in the game.
and its largely content.
content youve ignored in favor blindly calling it spam.
because you want to paint a picture of inept town or scum.
because youre scum. im appalled that youre being townread.

I'm pretty sure Titus isn't calling your entire post histroy spam, just this recent stuff re: the cop.

Also, I'm not really sure how detailing what exactly your result is is going to hurt anything.

@ckd To clarify, I think Gork is town, the guilty is genuine, but inaccurate.

~Wis

My thoughts as well.

P-edit: MoF would not claim a guilty on a gravedigger as tracker.

I'm thinking MoF either didn't know about the gravedigger claim or forgot about it when targeting WN. There's not much else I can think of for his thought process.

P-EDIT: If that's at me, I'm not caught up yet.

[Voidedmafia]

Another weird possibility in addition to sanity as I think WN is town. Alien psychotrooper?

Wat.

Lol @ Titus bringing up jester.

Can we lynch the guilty yet ??

lol @ focusing on the jester part and not the rest of the post.

they're fucking scum by play. guilty is jus tto point us in the right direction. always trying to evade a guilty. onlything they can do

You still haven't claimed that ritual or if that was just a ruse to get people to vote WN, btw.

Also, they aren't evading the damn guilty, they're trying to figure out how your guilty interacts with their role. I get that you're excited that you have a guilty or whatever, but take a step back and read what they're saying.

Titus' Constantine push is p. bad too imo

What, you think Constantine is town?

What world do you live in?

Please provide some examples of my shallowness because idek what that means in the context of mafia.

Also, Titus' TiP scumread seems to have taken an extreme backseat today. Very weird of her to discard that in favor of lynching a spammer when she was after him so hardcore last day. I just think she's scum scrambling and tossing out anything that can stick.

Because TiP isn't even here?

It's kinda hard to push a lynch through one someone who isn't posting when there's a lot going on right now?

That, and WN is correct about the lack of support for a TIP lynch.

[Voidedmafia]

Cop out answer. Do you have examples from before that post?

Not a cop-out answer when it actually answers the question.

Trying to get her to get a post from before that is moving the goalposts on her.

So you're saying Titus dropping this after being SO CERTAIN that TiP was scum, in favor of lynching someone for spamming with even less support, is town motivated?

How about you point us to where anyone is in favor of lynching TIP today? Or at least has them as viable candidates outside of the two known guilty claims?

Let's say, for example, that Titus had pushed for TIP today, whether or not gork claimed his guilty on her. If there isn't any support for it, why would Titus push it?

Furthermore, where did Titus say she dropped her scumread?

Scumbuddy is a term I usually use jokingly when someone buddies someone I'm scumreading. Hence the term!

THIS is a cop-out.

Up to page 105, will get to 106-whatever's current after class.

[Voidedmafia]

ive claimed my role
read my filter

That's not the question.

What is your role NOW? As in, wtf happened last night?

remember this half the game ago? "White Narcissist has been running up wagons. Their voting history is scummy as can be. They basically started the wagon on TheIrishPope, moved to MoF, and are not pushing vezokpiraka under the guise of it being grudgevote. What I really feel like is happening is they are pushing easy, easy mislynches"

In order:

So?
I think MS was still acting rather trolly at the time (or at least not contributing), so I'm not sure what made their vote any worse than others.
That wasn't "under the guise of" a grudgevote, that was an honest-to-goodness grudgevote and grudgequit.

scum don't fucking claim a godfather ffs

just like scum don't claim what Saint is claiming

~Wis

If only because scum normally wouldn't ever have their role (even a fake role) out in the open in the first place. I'd think that given the right conditions scum might try to act like their ability was on some kind of permanent roleblock or something to get out of placing results.

I really don't think scum would outright say they're a VT, though. That's believable enough.

Vote: Hermit

Unless Jaqen's neighborhood wants to shoot Hermit, this goes bye-bye.

what doesn't make sense about that?

Claimed on D4
Claimed to RB N1
No kills N1

Why didn't she push the lynch on her RB'd target, then?

because you can't be sure, in a fucking large (i think that's what you said it was), that your roleblock was the one that stopped the kill. The point is claiming a roleblocker is trying to appear town, claiming a godfather isn't.

~Wis

Maybe not, but If Titus didn't even try to push the point, then what was the point of claiming that?

I mean, if I was actually a 1-shot RB and no kills happened on the night I RB'd, I'd sure as hell try to at least push to see what happened to the kill and if I stopped it.

[Voidedmafia]

You wanna make a counter to the titus wagon

Onto xtoxm? Iir , I still found him going either way

Spiffeh, Hermit, Xtoxm's not terrible, I still want Loran gone (though at this point he's less toxic to the game than Hermit is), we could still do TIP but I think Hermit needs to go before him and Loran.

though Loran, xtoxm and slobber are more lurkers than scumreads, and Aneninen I just don't like his posting style and his dumbness. Imperium is that I feel Nacho and Tammy should be clearly town by now yet they aren't, but given how the last two games with Nacho were I don't feel confident in pushing this. And then there's dram and Spiffeh who are actually scummy.

~Wis

Refresh me on Drama because he's been too sporadic to remember.

The only thing I have a real bead on is his "leash Jaqen's neighborhood" push.

[Voidedmafia]

We are an even night amnesiac cop.
MoF seemed to have received a guilty.
We both think that the odd night amnesiac cop is insane/a scum frame job because both of you are individually very town.
Titus isn't.

Okay, MoF's actions and claims about his guilty make a bit more sense if it's from an amnesiac cop. Not quite sold on a scum frame job (in part because I think the frame job went onto Gork barring there being two of something), but insane cop would fit, I think.

I don't even know where the psycotrooper thing has started coming in, but unless it was claimed, I want that to be dropped

Titus brought it up as a possibility for Gork to have a guilty on her.

I'm just like "wtf is the role" and don't care to talk about it.

At least I think Donald Trump was.

NOw you're questioning your own claim?

[Voidedmafia]

Well, Titus was actually scum. I was wrong. But nooo, Mastin!

remind me, do we have info about the 'gunned down' kill?
meanwhile, one guilty is done, let's get the other.

Jaqen claimed that kill as being from his neighborhood, though we don't know his neighbor, I don't think.

Ok. So a guy who always investigates guilty is on the scum team? That sounds like a weakness to the scum team. I honestly don't know what to make of Titus flip because the write-up gives me thoughts that she could have been on either side town or scum. I say that solely on my experience with one of the mods AND the fact that the wrong place wrong time modifier from greater idea mafia is attached to a townie.

@fart, Jaqen said something about a vig. Wasn't that the gunned down one?

Wait wait, hold up. How do you know Titus wasn't lying?

Oh wait right titus flipped universal miller. That doesn't make sense.

~Sakura

So, I'm not really getting where you're getting this conclusion from. Is "Wrong place at wrong time" to be taken as a miller, then?

Not really happy about Spiffeh lateclaiming Miller. He manages to stay somewhat out of lynching because it wasn't done in response to a cop guilty or under lynch pressure (which is where I'd be less inclined to believe him), but I don't think it's overly important right now.

[Voidedmafia]

Titus was scum. Why is this even a conversation.

What he said.

Oh wait right titus flipped universal miller. That doesn't make sense.

~Sakura

No she didn't?

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... Idea_Mafia
#53. Wrong Place at the Wrong Time Townie (Universal Miller)
I'm just wondering whether Bastard means that Death Miller is included in Universal Miller, then again I have never seen a Death miller so i dont know if they'd flip "Town -Insert Something Here-" in red or "Mafia -Insert something here-"

~Sakura

Oh, okay. That clears that up for me.

whoever replaces into the TiP slot is 100% town, btw

We received Prof Emotion's prayer last night that prayed for his alignment to be known and Trouser informed us he was a loyal member of the commune

Hopefully they'll be 100% more productive, too <_<.

Also, her.

I hope it was some type of sex bomb that causes people in the blast radius to orgasm until they die of starvation
But I'm just a chair

and I know life's not fair

But you're an orgastomic chair. Counts for something, right?

lol.
im pretty sure i got a false positive on titus.
would be happy if that was the case.

Funny way to catch scum, though.

vote: xtoxm

pretty sure this is a titus scummate.

What about Saint? I'm not against an Xtoxm lynch right now, but.

[Voidedmafia]

Gork's 3000 is fairly decent, though.

And yes, gork, I did have a townread on Saint yesterday due to his claim. I wanted to know why you wainted Xtoxm over Saint.

I respect your opinion and all but I know what I'm doing. And part of it is not listening to players who do nothing but criticize me which you've done more than once this game. If you think I'm scum, vote me. Do that or do something better. I'll watch the game and make my best decisions and right now its not voting yet and letting others chime in.

So...how many people need to chime in before you're satisfied? Everyone?

How am I only in his top four scumreads when I'm like the only player he has even mentioned acting scummy (recently).

I don't like this about Fresh, either, but as Gork says below this post of yours, it's really weird for Titus's scumbuddy to posture like Fresh is.

When I'm a fucking vanilla townie in a large game esp one like this where noone else is a fucking vanilla townie

i mean the mod made me a fucking gimp

you expect me to give a shit? I've been trying in other games and gotten lynched a lot easier than this so go ahead and fucking lynch me

3040-3042 do not look like town anger. Not sure if it's neutral whining or scum whining, but it's definitely unnecessary whining.

Hey, Saint, how 'bout you start playing and give reads on people not named WN?

^ That's me confirming his N1 result btw

How did you visit anyone if you're a miller?

It's just that her continued posts about Oversoul claiming a guilty on Saint looked like she believed Saint was caught. Titus is like that, if she got the idea of "shit, Oversoul caught Saint" at the start of the day, then she probably treated it like a fact onwards.

~Wis

Does this apply to anyone else who thought OS had a guilty on Saint?

You're right, that would pretty much tell the self-watcher who the vanillaizer is.

~Sakura

Saint didn't mention who vanillized him, just that he was vanillized. Same with Gorkington.

first we must question jaqen why his hood didnt vig WN

Is it possible you could respond to ur question?

two likely answers

jaqen hood contain scum

jaqen hood contain dumb



or the possible

jaqen hood 1 shot/nonconsecutive

Couldn't it also be doc protect? If Bible Thumped isn't Titus's kill flavor (and I doubt it is), then there's probably a missing kill from N1 and N2.

[Voidedmafia]

zzzx complaining about being mislynched while still not providing content is annoying at best.

Yes, but I think there's bigger fish to fry. And Jaqen has other people to shoot before zzzx, imo.

[Voidedmafia]

In slightly related news, I'm probably not going to be able to post until late at night everyday or so. Insistence on "being outside" and all that whatnot.

Slightly related to that, I've lost where my reads were and will try to ISO myself for this day to find them tomorrow. Assuming what I do find catching up isn't enough to change them.

Your vote on me is horrible too. If you think I'm trying to protect my scumbuddy that would mean you believe your neighbor is scum too, so why on earth would you vote me instead of the guy that was proven unreliable in killing who you agreed on?

There's something fishy going on up in dis bitch

Because you flipping scum gives more credence to the "defending a buddy" idea?

Also, I'm fairly sure Jaqen isn't

sure

his neighbor is scum. Nothing in his posting indications he believes 100% his partner is scum (at least what I could tell).

MoF, no puns like that. it sucked.

Your reason for voting me is contingent on your partner being scum.
If he is scum and you both must agree on a kill for it to go through then, NEWS FLASH, he's most likely not going to allow a kill on a buddy to succeed, and town don't have a night kill ability anyway.

But by all means continue to ignore actual evidence against others to vote for me because I ruined some precious gambit that you didn't even value enough to attempt to recover.

His gambit was ruined by dint of it being found out because by knowing that such a gambit exists would put any neighbor-scum on the defensive in regards to what they say. I mean, that's not rocket science.

So when you say "stop"... They keep going

Even when you're tired? *sigh*

Anyways, Jaqen looks far townier than Spiffeh does. Nevermind that Spiffeh gets no townpoints for pushing something that was obviously a thing Jaqen wanted hidden (and I'd argue that his true intentions weren't that easy to read, just that he was holding out on something for a few days). And while I kinda agree that Jaqen should tell the entire thing now that its wasted, Spiffeh's inability to understand why Jaqen is voting the way he is feels pretty concerning and not-town.

Also, Loran still needs to die sometime. I know that read is still the same

130-present hopefully tomorrow. If I get to it among the other things I need to catch up on in and outside of Mafia.

[Voidedmafia]

Just for the sake of arguments from others

Night actions will be resolved using NAR,

wiki
Self watcher should be under misc.

Isn't watcher (even a self-watcher) and inspection role?

Why would scum vanillize a self watcher?

just skimming here...have not thoroughly read.

would like to know this going into the read though. has anyone town actually claimed to target saint?

Not that I'm aware of (unless they did so between this post and the one I made last night).

Catching up. All I've seen so far is Void asking me two questions that I don't need to answer because its dumb. About 4 more pages behind.

I don't remember asking dumb questions, so.

Thought: IF you think your neighbor avoided killing your target, you could lynch it today. It wouldn't say much about your neighbors alignment but you could use that maybe?

Given than Imp used their even-night cop on WN, said result went to MoF, and MoF are backing off of their push, I'd say it's unlikely that'd ever work.

You can't vanillaize a self-watcher before he catches you. Saint is lying.

He's said he got a result that someone came to him, but didn't know who targeted him.

I don't really think he'd lie about that, unless your point here is that Saint is trying to give cover for a buddy who tried to join the potential crowd of targeters.

Speaking of which is MoF just completely retracting their guilty on WN?
Because that's still a thing that happened.

Imp gave them a clear, so I'm suspecting so.

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UNVOTE:

AND THERE WAS SO MUCH FUCKING REJOICING! HALLELUJAH!

And pretty much everything after that went over my head, except for Spiffeh's claim and bits about Saint. Spiffeh's claim sounds on the town side, though I still maintain he came out worse than Jaqen in that debate.

Am I really the only one who thinks Defunded sounds a lot more like Trump than Bible Thumped?

No.

I would like whatever shit with Saint to be over and done with, though. If WN has a pretty confident guilty on them I'd like to know for sure, without detailing how they got it, of course.

P-EDIT: Oh, uh, MS kinda agrees with me. Neat?

[Voidedmafia]

Titusscum would probably analyze and dissect what could have happened continuously until she died. But I don't get how she would have known who redirected the kill. I've been redirected before and I've never been informed about who did it. Maybe I'm just not understanding what you're trying to say.

Not who redirected the kill, but who was redirected, obviously the scumteam would be trying to fish for who altered the direction of the kill, because said person would probably appear with a guilty on whoever made the kill, and Titus believing OS had a guilty on Saint seems to fit that.

~Sakura

I'm sorry, Sakura, but this seems to be flying over my head. Are you suggesting OS caught Saint for the wrong reasons like Gork caught Titus, or?

[Voidedmafia]

No, she's saying that the scumteam believed Saint was redirected and believed Oversoul was the redirector and that was why he was pushing Saint. Titus acted like she believed Saint was caught.

~Wis

Oh, okay. That makes more sense than whatever I was thinking of.

Vote: Saint

[Voidedmafia]

@Gork: Stalker is watcher+tracker, usually. Alternatively, it can be someone who knows the type of action used, but not the target.

isn't the latter a follower?

~Wis

Think so.

[Voidedmafia]

you haven't been reading very closely, zzzx

~Wis

A few people aren't really reading closely this game.

I want to sheep dram. He is so obviously town.

Eh. I'll get back to you on that.

Are you guys reading what we post

WE NEED IMPERIUM'S ANSWER FIRST

To explain what about your guilty?

[Voidedmafia]

._.

can all the "saint is a good lynch, but i will vote X instead" stop so we can consolidate on Saint?

~Wis

Can somebody answer a simple question already? This is two days in a row someone is edging up to the line with saying someone is guilty (ironically it's yesterday's almost guilty doing it today) and when push comes to shove won't do something simple like linking to what they're claiming or even a simple "yes I'm sure" but still want to #manhandlethread to do as they like.

You are aware you just had a conversation with them barely 10 pages ago where they stated this about Saint?

Yknow, the whole "95% sure Saint is scum" thing?

[Voidedmafia]

It's also a fairly handy way for confident town to say "I'm as close to 100% as I can get to thinking this guy's scum", too, so.

[Voidedmafia]

Hey, DGB! If you think dram's town, why's your vote on 'im?

All those non-voters makes my dick go limp.

[Voidedmafia]

...I'm not the only one who sees he's obviously scum BSing right?

EDIT: he being Jaqen.

Not really, no. It's a bit convoluted, but that's not indicative.

Your conclusion is more confusing than his explanation, really.

I'm actually following most of the stuff on 141, just don't have something to say about it.

[Voidedmafia]

he isnt

~Wis

He's an alt, though, right?

I feel left out because every time I look at a post I want to respond to right now all I feel like I can do is say "I agree".

Can gladly say I don't agree with Saint's 3608. Maybe WN is scum, but if they are it's not for those reasons.

[Voidedmafia]

I can't even begin to explain how lost I feel reading the last 2 pages.
Should I bother to quote saints claim one more time and how it magically changed.

At least a general post number/page number, and I can find it through ISO.

Sigh...
I'm tired of this game.
I'm pretty sure I don't have to point out how bad it is to lynch us instead of letting scum waste a NK on us.

~Sakura

Hermit makes anyone feel tired. Don't feel too bad about it.

Granted, I only had one game w/ him in Saki and he barely posted, but I'm glad he didn't because for the love of everything I want him to shut up so much.

[Voidedmafia]

Lynching WN today, vigging Saint tonight. Tommorow we enter the game without being distracted by either wagon

have you already prepared your speech for why your vig will fail tonight, or are you waiting for that first?

Because it's probly bullshit, or?

[Voidedmafia]

well not chainsawing.
But if Constantine REALLY thought Saint was scum, hed vote him.

He apparently thinks WN is more scum than him because of...a weird role name.

[Voidedmafia]

I don't mind hammering though if there aren't any objections.

I don't think so?

Hermit: What?

P-EDIT: Didn't they clarify with that post crying "THIS GAME IS BASTARD" in large bold print?

[Voidedmafia]

I think Saint's wagon si read for a hammer.

Also, unless St Constantine is understood, and/or leashed, we should lynch that asap. or vig.

I still think he's been bullshitting since Post 1 and is trying to keep the charade up in hopes that we'll keep him around. Should be lynched regardless.

[Voidedmafia]

The first results explicitly said that you are guilty, and the other explicitly said that you are not guilty.

So Imp's check didn't give you a faction? Just a blanket guilty/non-guilty statement?

[Voidedmafia]

Someone can't read <_<

[Voidedmafia]

Is WN on the same team as Titus? Could you clarify the colors, please?

WN is Serial Killing, Titus was Repubdickans. How are those the same team?

@jaqen: list of Fresh's QT reticences please.

Please.

Are we going to ascribe to the idea that was batted around that the neighbor-vig-hood were town/town or scum/scum?

DGB, why is Dram town to you?

[Voidedmafia]

I thought we were siblings based on my role pm. Guess we were just regular lovers. Him flipping scum makes sense though I guess since we wouldn't investigate as town because we could win as either just is two or with town. Now I'm a miller.

Yknow that lovers DIE when their partner does, right? Or at least a dayphase afterwards?

[Voidedmafia]

Also knowing saint was telling the truth isn't really a reason to scumread someone in multiball since scum wouldn't know for sure if someone was telling the truth

Could be attempts at association ties. Just because scum can't know for sure if they're defending town or other-scum doesn't necessarily mean they can't try to pull them down with them like they're town. And normally that helps when crosskills aren't required.

You motherfucker

vote oversoul

Farside is prob town

This was a rather pointless vote, actually.

Is Imperium a scum killer or has he claimed something?

They've (more appropriate since Tammy's a she and nacho's a he) claimed odd-night investigative (wanna say cop off the top of my head; probly right but eh). I don't recall if they've tried to soft any other abilities, so.

Vote: Imp

Do you seriously expect me to read 153 pages? When im sure its just chock full of idiotic worthless posts like your "be more notable" one

Plotinus did it in We Didn't Playtest This, and he was already far more town than you are right now. Not to mention he read more than 153 pages.

Also Jaqen just claimed scum, so that's cool I guess?

he claimed absolute usurper, so...

Uh, what?

[Voidedmafia]

Hence that whole "town redirectors need to claim"; wanted to see if anyone forced us to kill slobberknocker or something like that

Wait, how would you be "forced" to kill slobber? I don't recall you ever claiming a kill of any kind.

just throwing this out there--DGB's role has a watch AND a redirect aspect to it and she completely screwed over Imperium

thats the vibe I'm getting

vote: imperium

And you've officially entered the line for the "spewing bullshit and thus to be ignored" pile to join Hermit. Congrats.

Also, if that's what you think why are you voting Imp the screwed over instead of DGB the screwer?

because bacde is a big deal.
we should be honored by his presence.
;D

in other news, wondering if wn redirected imprepubkill onto slobber.

IIRC they stated they would redirect that kill last night, I think. So it's likely.

[Voidedmafia]

We are an even night amnesiac cop.
MoF seemed to have received a guilty.
We both think that the odd night amnesiac cop is insane/a scum frame job because both of you are individually very town.
Titus isn't.

We were redirected to slobberknocker last night and informed of it. Will post more in an hour.

Vote: imp

Yup. Vote away, folks!

oh.
scary fact: dgb replaced lora.

More relieving than anthing.

DGB's better than that asshole, at least.

[Voidedmafia]

but.
i felt like lora was scum though.

True, but wouldn't it be nice to have town-DGB on our side?

also we have bacde now.
life isnt all sunshine and roses.

Better than Loran. And currently still better than Hermit.

[Voidedmafia]

So, I'm really not seeing why this has to be any more complex than "DGB investigated Imp to the kill" and all of this is Imp's attempt to get out of it.

Comments re: Imp's (Tammy's?) gamestate knowledge seem more neutral than anything, honestly.

voided, this was all you had to say about the guilty on us?

...No? I said more than that. Thanks for only quoting one instance.

Like, it seems pretty clear to me barring some gross misunderstanding on DGB's part. Or unless you're claiming to be a plain amnesiac cop and not an even-night one, which you might have because most of the theorycrafting went over my head and never really seemed to counter the fact that DGB saw you at Slobberknocker, who died, when you had no explanation beforehand as to why you would be there because your stated abilities did not leave any room for you to go

anywhere

last night. And any explanation you

are

giving sounds like an attempt to use the complex nature of the game (as we understand it so far to be) as a way to obfuscate that you were caught.

Is that what you want me to say?

And for the record, you-scum being redirected makes more sense than you-scum actually targeting Slobber because why the fuck would you even shoot them. I'm not completely writing the latter off because it's still a plausible scenario compared to what you've been suggesting, but still.

How about the killer is a ninja??

Plausible, but I don't see why any scum would target slobberknocker, period. They already claimed miller, and they were nowhere near being a presence in the game nor onto any sort of substantial push from what I recall. They'd be a good vig, certainly, but not scumkill material?

If it was meant as an obfuscation/confusion-brewing kill, well, they succeeded.

P-EDIT: OH MY FUCKING GOD SO MANY PREVIEW POSTS.

[Voidedmafia]

oh nevermind both would get redirected
duh :/

but maybe not with wisdom's role which specifically redirected kills?

WN (or Wis in particular) very much believed the vig-hood was scum, or at least Fresh in particular (refer back to where WN said Fresh scumclaimed/slipped). I'm positive that the Fresh NK was their doing because I don't think Fresh would've been lynched before WN. And if Fresh and Jaqen knew that WN would most likely go after them tonight, it makes sense that they would kill WN.

who were the 5 townreads that you mentioned before?

really?

You're the one who said it, Gork...

I tend to believe Imperium but not as much as I would if this game wasn't multiball.

So, otherwise you wouldn't be voting them?

This is a very weird thing to say given that Imp is just about at L-1 or so from your own say-so.

2) We claimed full amnesiac cop. No one has counterclaimed this. There hasn't been an amnesiac cop result today. This is a strong indicator that we actually were redirected.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. When the hell did "even-night" become "full"? Was it during this day period because I do not remember going into N3 believing you were a full cop.

P-EDIT: Yes, the idea of DGB watching slobber is questionable as well, but as things stand the truth of her claims hinges on your role/flip right now, correct?

I'm more apt to believe you over DGB if you can show me where you claimed full cop BEFORE this dayphase.

(Oh, you died last night? Spooookyyyyy)

PE2: Dram, you haven't provided much of anything toward that read. Shut the fuck up about it, or start saying why.

[Voidedmafia]

I'm getting P-edited for days and I'm almost half an hour past when I wanted to go to bed. This will (try to be) the last post I make tonight, other p-edits be damned.

That's exactly what we've said. Why aren't you reading. Like Nacho full claimed today. Our first posts were us asking the redirector, if town, to claim. I've pointed out where it didn't make sense for us to be making the assumptions we were about the "odd-night" cop if it weren't actually us. I mean, read day two, there were enough the odd-night cop *wink wink* may be insane or some other random theory because we knew our results weren't reliable. So, go back and tell me how us full claiming today doesn't make any sense with what we were saying about the odd-night cop. We were going off of our reads over those particular results because we knew there was a potential for it being not clear.

Well, excuse me for not getting the message when it's buried under a bunch of what-I-thought-at-the-time-and-kinda-still-do crap about possible redirection scenarios. I had gone into N3 believing you were not a full cop and thus DGB's watch, however questionable, was a smoking gun in your direction.

IF you did claim full cop today (which I will try to look for myself tomorrow morning for my own personal confirmation), then that does lower the smoking-gun quality of DGB's result, BUT it still doesn't explain how Slobber died. It does make Ninja more likely, and Jaqen's pet theory (though not by much), but unless scum-DGB and his partners are trying a gambit to get rid of you (scum1 redirects you to slobber, scum2 ninja kills slobber, scum-DGB says he "watched" you kill slobber or something), how does that kill make ANY sense?!

Also, I had made two posts before the one you quoted talking about the guilty, so I'm annoyed that you portrayed that one quote as the entirety of my contribution to what DGB said.

[Voidedmafia]

We are a full amnesiac cop with differing sanities on each night, we claimed even-night to seem weaker than they would but also to give credence to the claim that we thought was sane (aka the even night result)

Okay, then this piles shit onto DGB.

Unvote
Vote: DGB

Well, excuse me for not getting the message when it's buried under a bunch of what-I-thought-at-the-time-and-kinda-still-do crap about possible redirection scenarios. I had gone into N3 believing you were not a full cop and thus DGB's watch, however questionable, was a smoking gun in your direction.

Possible redirection scenarios?
You agree that WN didn't redirect us. Meaning someone else redirected us.
Meaning possible redirection scenarios are actually highly probable, no?

Yes, it does.

Don't prod me.
I've had busy days and last night, when I would have had time for playing, the whole forum was so unstable that I wasn't even able to read.

Is there anything new that could be summarized for a dumb and lazy player like me?

Nope. Read the thread.

BUT it still doesn't explain how Slobber died. It does make Ninja more likely, and Jaqen's pet theory (though not by much), but unless scum-DGB and his partners are trying a gambit to get rid of you (scum1 redirects you to slobber, scum2 ninja kills slobber, scum-DGB says he "watched" you kill slobber or something), how does that kill make ANY sense?!

So either scum redirected us, a claimed even night amnesiac cop, to slobber and then someone just happened to watch SLOBBERKNOCKER (do you understand how ridiculous someone watching slobberknocker is? i cannot emphasize this enough.) ooorrr it was coordinated and a frame job

Are they that afraid of you two turning on in the late game and demolishing them, then?

[Voidedmafia]

If you're town here, please please look at our day two and three posting about the amnesiac cop results as they only make sense to come from a full amnesiac cop. See that we came into today wondering about redirection because we were informed as such. This was a scum action; I think because that's the only way they could get rid of us, so please don't yell at us for missing stuff. If you're town here, help us figure this out?

Tammy, I'm not the one who does role figuring out.

My earlier partner interaction had the dgb slot as a potential titus partner, but I really think she'd have handled this differently if she were scum.

What I do want to know, though, is why you think DGB isn't scum when there isn't much of a chance that DGB-town would be watching Slobberknocker in the first place (even with the caveat that DGB hasn't been in this game that long; why watch hiplop who has been a complete nonfactor)? Doesn't that make DGB an accomplice to this?

VOTE: ZZZX

can we not vote ZZZX until this shit between DGB and Imp is finished? Even if ZZZX warrants death that's not a priority right now.

I was trying to avoid confirming this was some amnesiac's result because, as a replacement player that has not read the game, I was hoping to draw the nightkill.

But on account of making the wrong assumption about the result, and for the sake of clarity, it's best now to confirm it.

So it is an amnesiac result...

...Okay, my mind's not fitting this together.

unvote

[Voidedmafia]

Hey.
Hey guys.

Let's make this all really easy yes.

Occam's Razor? ever heard of it?

We have a flipped serial killer who redirects specific flavor kills.
We have a person who claimed to have been redirected to a kill.
We have a person who watched a killed person and ONLY saw them.

Imperium is scum for Bible-Thumped flavor and was making a kill. He was redirected to kill Slobber. Fin.



VOTE: Imperium

Two questions:

Why would DGB (or anyone else, if she got a amnesiac result) watch Slobber?
Even if Imp is scum, why would they be redirected to Slobber if not for a framejob?

That doesn't exclude Imp being scum (which I'm going to hold as a potential conclusion because it still is), but where are you going after that? And what if Imp is telling the truth and that someone ELSE shot/got redirected to Slobber?

Imperium is scum for Bible-Thumped flavor and was making a kill. He was redirected to kill Slobber. Fin.

Also, WN already redirected Bible Thumped N1. The only ones they could do last night were Defunded or Anally Violated.

If there's a redirect, it's not from WN.

[Voidedmafia]

Hi can we all acknowledge the fact that ever since Xoxtm claimed to save his ass, he hasn't been giving any results?

After xtoxm saved who, now?

[Voidedmafia]

I'm fine with an Xtoxm lynch, but can we finish dealing with Imp before that?

[Voidedmafia]

I'm fine with a voided lynch.

ha ha.

Dear god why are people ignoring me?!?!?

Cuz your vote is crap and your reasoning sucks and you are ignoring the more salient aspects of the game right now

Which are, in your opinion?

Why would DGB (or anyone else, if she got a amnesiac result) watch Slobber?

Could the amnesiac watcher/tracker be scum?

I don't see why not.

Well, titus DID claim to be able to redirect scum shots. As such, scum may have tried to vanillaize them. another scumteam killed them.

You mean WN?

His actions just look bad. they don't look scummy, they just look BAD. as in, if he were scum, that would mean he was super reckless. This may be a townie that's not that into the game; I doubt scum would be so unprepared.

I feel pings toward Saki Achiga-hen where he was scum, but I'm not sure if each state of apathy are related.

farside you get a post to convince me.
then after that im either sheeping you or voting spiffeh.

Okay.
The short reaso is I asked if anyone was vanillized, no one said yes and I jailed bacde last night.
Any questions?

So you are the reason I didn't get a result last night ya jerk

What could Loran even do, again? Besides being an ass.

[Voidedmafia]

I just want to point out that I'm pretty much innoed by farside's jailing of me since we had 3 kills last night and I obviously couldn't have done any of them

I just really want to make sure everyone realizes this so we can laugh at farside later. He jailkepy me, the number of night kills actually

increased

, indicating that I do not perform kills, and there is a watcher guilty on a

different player tracking to the kill

, yet farside thinks he's such a genius despite this evidence he has caught me red handed because he thinks I'm a vanillaized for no reason

Flavor incoming in next post, I honestly don't give a shit if you Lynch me o haven't invested 160 pages into this game but I want to point out how stupid you are being

Doesn't mean you aren't part of a team, though. You just weren't the one who did the kill.

Hello, open JOAT here! Most powerful role to have ever existed.
Let's talk about what I should be doing tonight.

PE: Bastard deals with game mechanics and not flavor. Also look back at D2 when I pointed out that Titus did not have a town flavor, and some people voted me asking how I knew that.

Dying.

Hermit I'll talk with you about JOAT stuff if you tell me what your role can do and if you unvote me

I thought I did unvote you...

UNVOTE: Bacde

My role can do anythi9ng, but if I use it to many times I die. Almost everybody has universally assumed I was trolling so far, which was why I was able to intertwine my night actions without getting killed. The two scum teams complicates matters, so right now I am really quite blank on what I should go about doing tonight.

You haven't even claimed them, have you?

My earlier partner interaction had the dgb slot as a potential titus partner, but I really think she'd have handled this differently if she were scum.

What I do want to know, though, is why you think DGB isn't scum when there isn't much of a chance that DGB-town would be watching Slobberknocker in the first place (even with the caveat that DGB hasn't been in this game that long; why watch hiplop who has been a complete nonfactor)? Doesn't that make DGB an accomplice to this?

We think the way DGB worded it seemed not necessarily her role, plus I think that DGB is smarter than to try to set us up with a slobberknocker kill. I also think that DGB had every reason to come in here and push it for all it was worth and wouldn't have received any flak for it, and she didn't. She looks like she's trying to figure it out, which I think is a more town thing for her to do.

Couldn't DGB have been part of a plan set up beforehand with who she replaced?

[Voidedmafia]

Couldn't DGB have been part of a plan set up beforehand with who she replaced?

LOL a plan for what and is it working?

Yeah you are scum.

Well excuse me for trying to work things out here, missy.

As far as I can tell, it's a plan to get Imp out via lynching, maybe because they thought the hydra were going to be a threat or not worth NKing yet. And maybe you don't have anything to do with it, but that's not a reason to call me scum for positing a theory.

reading dram's ISO and his development on jaqen is "he seems town" to "jaqen is scum" for no reason.
the fervor of his push there makes me want to lean town, but im scared that its more kneejerk reaction and not based enough on substance.

i feel pretty not confident in all of my reads right now short of like a few town reads.
someone drive the game. pls.

I'm pretty sure it's not. The only salient point I remember possibly being toward that read is the whole "scum/scum or town/town lovers" thing. Most everything else past that point looks like dram is twisting Jaqen's actions to be scummy.

And don't look at me, I'm probly more clueless than you are.

i still feel like bacde might be vanillaizer but i need more time to really sit down and stare at ckd's iso because that one quote of him being like "I KNOW THIS PERSON IS VANILLA" either means he has to be vanilla cop or has to be on the scumteam with the vanillaizer/he might be the vanillaizer.

Would claiming that as the vanillaizer be a little too much on the ballsy side? Feels like it'd require Saint being lynched before him to avoid any sort of confirmation scenario.

wn flipped gravedigger, which by their own admission means that any relevant track or watch would have them appear guilty.
so if you got an amnesiac watch result on slobber, wn should have appeared to target them as well, but you didnt, so it seems to make the most sense that you would have gotten a track assuming youre not lying (which tbh i dont really think you are so this makes the situation with imperium a little more muddled)

Doesn't that only apply if they're the one targeted? I'd think that trackers or watchers wouldn't constantly get two results every night they're alive and auctioning.

[Voidedmafia]

4350 is largely trufax, though.

I still wonder... who tracked Imperium or watched Slobber?

No one's come out and said it, unless there's a couple lurkers I'm missing, so it's unlikely scum's gonna come out and say now, eh?

Ok wait so it's normal for a VANILLA cop to be present in a game that was advertised as non vanilla? Forgive me if I'm not buying that and I don't get why other people are.

@Imperium no I don't believe Xoxtm explained any more about his role other than to save his own ass.

Guess that tells us who the vanillaizer is, then?

[Voidedmafia]

Vote: Xtoxm

[Voidedmafia]

Misaka needs to shape the hell up and start participating.

[Voidedmafia]

Misaka needs to shape the hell up and start participating.

We could lynch it.

Misaka, Xtoxm, Hermit, maybe Anen.

Take your pick.

(or Imp if you still think they're scum)

[Voidedmafia]

You and Bacde should be on the list, LOL

Bacde, maybe.

Me, nah.

[Voidedmafia]

Do you think the mod would have two different flavors for amnesiac results? Do you think he just didn't mind the difference? or is DGB lying?we also do not have any claimed amnesiac tracker/watcher in the game

I'd think they'd try to keep them similar if only for ease of distribution, but it's not too outlandish to think cop amnesiac results would be different from tracker/watcher (or related) amnesiac results.

And DGB could be lying, but she's affirmed her way of receiving results at least two more times, so she's rather entrenched in that lie now.

Speaking of her, though, that's not really a reason to townread Xtoxm.

[Voidedmafia]

I agree with Spiffeh and Imp. Bacde also sounds more like caught scum rather than indignant town.

Vote: Bacde

GUYS IM CONFIRMED TO NOT HAVE KILLED ANYONE THATS LITERALLY A SOFT-INNO REPORT THE "EVIDENCE" FOR ME BEING A VANILLAIZER IS WEAK AS HELL AND ANYONE WHO IS TRYING TO LYNCH ME BECAUSE IM "VANILLIZER" IS IGNORING THE MUCH STRONGER EVIDENCE THAT IM TOWN AS SHIT AND IS THUS TERRIBLE AT MAFIA

This is also a terrible argument.

IM NOT VANILLIZER AND EVEN IF I WAS IT WOULD BE RETARDED TO TRY TO LYNCH ME FOR IT RATHER THAN LYNCHING FOR KILLING SCUM

But why would a Vanillaizer be town? And if the answer to that is no, then in lieu of knowing of scum with stronger abilities why does it matter? Scum is scum.

[Voidedmafia]

im not particularly convinced that aliens exist in this game.
so.
yes. on that regard at least.

They're not like us guys...


Everything Dram posts makes me laugh at their ridiculousness.

Gork, I think that there is more ambiguity around Imp's soft than Bacde's soft. And the Vanilla cop stuff has more weight behind it.

I also have a gut feeling you'd be fine with my vote if I voted before Misaka. And that Misaka's votes have all felt bad this game.

[Voidedmafia]

No shit guys, if I replaced into a scum slot wouldn't I have gotten some help or context from my teammates? Who the fuck are my teammates if I am scum???

Holy shit it's so obvious I'm town lmao just Lynch me if you guys are really this bad at mafia.

Wtf happened to mafiascum??? Back in the day I'd be townread for being loud, aggressive, and unique, just being myself

Now everyone is a pussy who votes you for being antagonistic and townread ppl with guilty reports on them just because he pretends to be charismatic

Guys, its probably not LYLO. If you are willing to LOLlynch me even tho there were 3 kills while I was jailed how can you not be willing to Lynch someone tracked to a kill?

This is so fucking easy and basic its blowing my mind

Maybe they aren't helpful. Maybe they aren't around. Maybe they aren't in tune with the game. It could be a myriad of reasons as for why you-scum wouldn't receive any help.

Yes, because tooting your own horn about how town you say you are and berating everyone else for not seeing it is a

clear and obvious

indicator of your towniness.

Then lynch me and deal with my confirmed-town words posthumously lynching your ass

My willingness to lynch you is based on the visiting dead report

my scumread on you is based on your inept, manipulative, overly-diplomatic, disingenuine lynch on me you are corralling

Ell-oh-fucking-ell, this is hilarious.

Inept? hardly. Not to mention multiple people have come to the same conclusion re: the roleblocking part of the case.

Manipulative? What information have they (I want to say it's Tammy who made the post bacde quoted but I'm not sure) misconstrued here? Your argument? What we know about last night's night actions?

Overly-diplomatic? I have no idea what you're talking about here in the first place, so what?

Disingenuous? Imp's been far more forthcoming and frank about their case on you than you have on them, really.

And before you start crying about how I have some kind of boner for Imp, I don't. I do respect Nacho and Tammy as players, yes, and I am more apt to listen to them (and people like them, in my mind), but I don't blindly listen to what they say. In this case, I agree with them about you.

I don't know why you are ignoring these two pieces of evidence THAT EXIST, WE SHOULDNT IGNORE THEM OR THINK THEY ARE WRONG JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE SOFTS AND NOT CONFIRMED HARD COLD STONE FACTS

So, what makes the track on them more worth our time than the jail on you?

Is that a serious question?

No, I'm mostly pointing out your inconsistencies to show everyone how scummy you are lol, you don't have to explain it

Is this a serious response?

[Voidedmafia]

we poured our hearts into the game

I feel so bad for you actually playing the game you signed up for

This is definitely not a blatant attempt to AtE

Said while you make almost an entire page AtE about how you'd be townread and about how town you are. Lol

[Voidedmafia]

Bacde (2)- Oversoul, DrippingGoofball

9 to lynch.

Vote: Bacde

I think this is the play for the day.

3

I like that logic.

VOTE: bacde

4

Yeah Xoxtm is scum.

First, if he is actually village stalker, I find it very fucking hard to believe that he sheeps the TRACKER/WATCHER GUILTY without an ounce of skepticism. Post 3905 is a naked vote for Imperium four posts after DGB claimed her results. There is no mention of "oh hey guys remember I'm stalker so village prob doesn't have a tracker/watcher too". It makes absolutely no sense that a village stalker wouldn't speak up or AT LEAST see how things played out.

Also if he were village I would expect him to be paranoid of a nightkill and realize that outing his results would definitely do more good than harm. There is still no good explanation for keeping the results hidden. What more do the mafia learn?

However, I also believe Bacde is definitely the vanilla-izer based on some pretty overwhelming evidence, and since the vanilla-izer is a lot more dangerous to keep around, he should die first. Xoxtm can die tomorrow.

VOTE: Bacde

5

Vote: Bacde

6

I agree with Spiffeh and Imp. Bacde also sounds more like caught scum rather than indignant town.

Vote: Bacde

GUYS IM CONFIRMED TO NOT HAVE KILLED ANYONE THATS LITERALLY A SOFT-INNO REPORT THE "EVIDENCE" FOR ME BEING A VANILLAIZER IS WEAK AS HELL AND ANYONE WHO IS TRYING TO LYNCH ME BECAUSE IM "VANILLIZER" IS IGNORING THE MUCH STRONGER EVIDENCE THAT IM TOWN AS SHIT AND IS THUS TERRIBLE AT MAFIA

This is also a terrible argument.

IM NOT VANILLIZER AND EVEN IF I WAS IT WOULD BE RETARDED TO TRY TO LYNCH ME FOR IT RATHER THAN LYNCHING FOR KILLING SCUM

But why would a Vanillaizer be town? And if the answer to that is no, then in lieu of knowing of scum with stronger abilities why does it matter? Scum is scum.

7

VOTE: Bacde

L–1

If anyone, including Bacde himself, is to defend him, speak!

8

I disagree with the latter.
Imp and Jaqen are both outed scum, Xoxtm is not.

Vote: Bacde

9 for lynch

[Voidedmafia]

Fwiw I jailed jaqeun last night.
Also I'm on v/la for a few days.

Then pamphlets can't be blocked. I had one pinned to my door with a not guilty result on Voided.

last night was Even-night. Even-night pamhplets are opposite.

voided is guilty.

Were pamphlets imp's? I don't recall Imp saying that was their cop flavor.

Vote: Xtoxm

Arguments from yesterday still stand.

[Voidedmafia]

Voided if they are Imp's what is your response to the guilty?

I don't think it's a guilty, anyways, but if it is supposed to be a guilty, then I say it's simply wrong. Probably that my Framer guess is still viable. Or Pyschotrooper, but I think we already disproved that. I know that it's not a guilty, though.

pamphlets are pinned on the door

When I think of pamphlets I think of the Mormon's who always want to tell you to do good.

vote: Jaquen

Still say he is scum

Why was this, again?

Vote: Xtoxm

What the fuck is this?!

Speak, damn you!

Doesn't the pamphlet thing incriminate Imperium, not Jaqen?

Imp would only be incriminated if you don't believe they come from them and they're claiming being the sender of results that someone else is actually doing, which can't be confirmed without someone claiming to actually be the amnesiac. So either Imp's the actual sender or they're scum colluding with the real amnesiac.

sure.
i feel like that was the sentiment yesterday and then all of a sudden bacde lynch happened though.

That was because of the contradiction in claims because we didn't actually think a vanilla cop was in the game, which surprised the hell outta me.

[Voidedmafia]

I am going to throw a fit if we don't lynch this today

No one cares.

oh yeah except for when i outlined exactly why a vanilla cop would make sense within the context of the setup and nobody listened to me. weeeeeeeeeee.

I am sorry, Gork. Am I forgiven?

imperium might be a scum messenger.

Then, if Spiffeh's post below this is true, what does that make Profgessor? a town version of that?

[Voidedmafia]

Shos here. So far I havent said anythign because MS did the job decently. But i think we should consider the amnesiac thingie again.

Imperoum claimed amnesiac cop on even nights, THEN changed to any-night. Then, we have an unaccounted for amnesiac track/watch result, and to add on that, missing track/watch results for other nights.

Stuff dont add up.
I trust DGB. Hence, I think imperium is a scum messenger, rather than voided scum.

So who goes first, then? Xtoxm or Imp?

[Voidedmafia]

Because that was MS and I want him to respond.


Also I think I want Inp dead but we ned others to say if they had gotten amnesiac reports tonight.

I have not received any amnesiac reports. The only ones that seem to have are MoF, Jaqen, and DGB, though not from the same source.

And one more, who I forgot.

[Voidedmafia]

Also Oversoul and Misaka need to stop getting free rides.

I agree, but getting answers out of MIsaka isn't going to matter if all they're going to do is ignore them. Which is what they've done ever since they replaced in.

Like, I only remember one post that had more than a naked vote, and that was a sheepvote explanation.

[Voidedmafia]

1b It's a share nightkill, as they've both said about 6 times at this point. If he has to dispute the nightkill with Fresh he's not "scum with two nightkill", he's "scum negotiating a second kill" with someone of a different alignment.

Question: Why does the distinction matter?

2 Gunned Down can't happen anymore, Defunded is probably blocked scum-jaqen. There's only one kill unaccounted for, unless you wanna count the anally probed thing or whatever which has yet to happen.

Could equally be protected Jaqen-town .

[Voidedmafia]

What scum faction do you think he'd be, then?

[Voidedmafia]

...Seriously, how stupid/oblivious are you?

[Voidedmafia]

...*sigh*

That's Jaqen and Fresh's neighbor-vig flavor.

[Voidedmafia]

while I appreciate your scumhunting attempt, Jaqen, do you really need to try and start a wagon on DGB?

[Voidedmafia]

Do not

lynch before I'm caught up. Xtoxm probably is not who I plan to vote anyways so I want the chance to post my reads and thoughts.

Suddenly, doublevoters on the Xtoxm wagon! (J/k)

while I appreciate your scumhunting attempt, Jaqen, do you really need to try and start a wagon on DGB?

What?

He's voting dram while there's already a wagon started on Xtoxm. I want to know if he really wants to start a wagon on DGB (whether for lynch or for pressure) while we're still waiting on Xtoxm?

I mean, I'm not against a dram wagon because I think this sit and tunnel on Jaqen has grew old yesterday, but unless enough people don't think Xtoxm is worth lynching shouldn't votes be going for or explicitly against that wagon?

Also, regardless of the vighood's alignment, I really wish WN hadn't redirected N3 so the two of them could get rid of people like Misaka because for Fuck's sake WHY WOULD YOU JOIN A GAME AND DO JACKSHIT?!

It means the not guilty on Voided could be a guilty, or our even night investigation could be naive.

If there's no reason to believe a Framer or somesuch exists, then it's likely the latter.

[Voidedmafia]

Voidedmafia do you twirl your mustache like an opera villain when you post?

Obvious bait aside, I hate moustaches anyways. I wouldn't wear one unless I had to for a stage performance (if I for some reason had to be on-stage), but I certainly wouldn't twirl it like a villain. That'd be a nervous tic more than anything.

So, how scummy was that answer on a scale of 1 to 10?

He's voting dram while there's already a wagon started on Xtoxm. I want to know if he really wants to start a wagon on DGB (whether for lynch or for pressure) while we're still waiting on Xtoxm?

I mean, I'm not against a dram wagon because I think this sit and tunnel on Jaqen has grew old yesterday, but unless enough people don't think Xtoxm is worth lynching shouldn't votes be going for or explicitly against that wagon?

I guess I still don't really get your point here.

I now understand when you say DGB you say dram but what's stopping Jaqen from doing his own thing while other people are wagonning Xtoxm?

Is your point just that its strange for him not to give an opinion on Xtoxm?

Well, that, and I agree with Gork that Xtoxm should be one of the lynches for today (Well, he included you and DGB due to what happened yesterday, but. I'm fine with Jaqen scumhunting on Dram (jeez, that's the second time--well, third--that I mixed up those two), and maybe I'm jumping the gun here, but I'm just worried about going off-track unless we're really sure Xtoxm isn't scum and Dram is.

[Voidedmafia]

(Well, and you because he thinks you're a scum messenger, but I'm not as inclined to include DGB in there yet.I'd love Hermit over DGB.)

[Voidedmafia]

All I want to do is facepalm so hard...Or facedesk...but I have work tomorrow.

[Voidedmafia]

Welp, 185 pages of digging and either I missed the Roleblocker claim or there hasn't been a claim and Fresh messed up (which seems out of character based on YCBA) or was setting up a wild goose chase.

Most likely Fresh messed up/wild goose chase.

Why would you give your result to one of your scumread?

Most things indicate Imp can't actually control who gets her investigation. That's kinda the point of amnesiacs, IIRC.

[Voidedmafia]

Imperium is my strongest scumread. This is mostly centered around their Bacde push which is beyond bad. They claim that Bacde is scum because no one was vanillized. What if scum was vanillized and decided not to out? The remainder of their push amounted to “you are not buying our bullshit, therefore you are scum.” Bacde’s shock at not being believed and insistence that Imperium was scum was a strong town tell and Imperium plowing forward while ignoring it points to someone who just wanted to get rid of Bacde, not figure out his alignment which a townie would do. On the flip side, if Imperium is scum, their aggression makes a lot of sense. Bacde started out by making lots of enemies and rubbing people the wrong way by being abrasive. He also pushed Imperium pretty hard. This makes him a great target for scum to push back because Imperium would feel they can outshout Bacde and get rid of someone scumreading them without nightkilling him and lending credibility to his reads.

While I understand the mindset that bacde's reaction was town (although I won't ever see being yelled at for think you're scum as anything townworthy and just makes your posts unreadable; italic-emphasis is tech), Imp's point about how bacde was essentially simplifying how that guilty interaction works is true. In some ways it does boil down to whether or not you believe Imp's role in the first place (either that it's what they say it is or that it's what they have, period), but "Imp-cop investigates someone else but is redirected to slobber who is killed" is still as viable as "Imp-scum kills someone but is redirected to slobber". As such, I don't see Imp trying say bacde is scum for not believing their "bullshit".

I will give credit that bacde's strong reaction should have been a good indicator given that he flipped the role his slot claimed, but that in part was the problem. No one on the wagon from what I could tell believed that there would actually be a Vanilla Cop in a Role Madness game and with a Vanillizer. I certainly didn't.

It doesn't make sense to me for those two roles to exist in the same game. I mean, the VC could prove the vanillaizer's existence if it was somehow masked, or that those vanillized were indeed vanilli

--okay, there's one reason why it could existed, to prevent scum from claiming they were vanillized to mask the use of their abilities. Even so, I still feel my point here stands.

Them claiming they were redirected does nothing for me. They could have wanted to kill a more threatening player than Slobber and got redirected by town/other scum team to Slobberknocker so asked if there were any redirectors messing with their kill. Acting like it makes them town is just the icing on the cake. They are overemphasizing the fact that someone watched Slobber as though it is conclusive evidence that clears them. It is not unlikely for a watcher to make bad night action choices. But the watcher-guilty is only about 20% of the reason I scumread them. Their reaction to that guilty, their push on Bacde, and their overall play are a much bigger part of it.

Question: Bacde did essentially the same thing, aka point to the fact that there was no unnatural kill when he was jailed that thus made him town, and IMO he went to some lengths to emphasize this fact like you claim Imp did for the watcher "clear". And Bacde flipped town. The guilty aside, what makes Imp's reaction any different from Bacde's?

Their insistence that they were town and were trying to figure things out magically vanished once they were no longer under threat of a lynch for instance, by putting Xtoxm at L-1 despite him not being a scumread. They’ve defended themselves vigorously, shoved a Bacde lynch through, succeeded, and turned back to lurking again. They read like experienced scum players who can post passable content when needed but fall into the common trap of having no passion for figuring out the game unless their survival is threatened at which point, they deliver more rhetoric under it subsides.

Do you believe they're doing so through D5 as well? I'm not going to claim they're doing godlike scumhunting, but I feel that your assertion that they've fallen back down in activity now that they've gotten away from the hot seat is premature given that you've stated you haven't caught up to all of D5, and I'd like you to re-address this point when you do get fully caught up.

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@ Voided:

1) Bacde oversimplifying the guilty isn't a scumtell and I wouldn't have found it scummy even if I was there real time. Imperium was explaining away the guilty on them through a convoluted set of night actions that would go over most people's heads. It is plausible for a townie to think "I'm not going through this mumbo-jumbo, you're scum" without explicitly rebutting each and every explanation. Humans don't have unlimited patience and not everyone's going to engage the nitty-gritty of every argument. Bacde certainly didn't come across as a patient and methodical player. Thinking he has to be scum for it is a pretty big stretch for town to make. But it makes a lot of sense as scum getting rid of someone who they know will stand his ground on his read of Imperium and in general be a thorn on their side.

2) I disagree with Bacde that 3 kills on a night he was jailed made him town. I think such a statement is more likely to come from scum than town but it was outweighed by all of Bacde's townie posting. With Imperium, it is another reason I find them scummy in addition to their other scummy posting. Beyond that, it is gut/intuition. Bacde's presentation and tone suggested he believed what he was saying. Imperium's came across as a way they planned to talk themselves out of trouble.

3) I've caught up with D5 now. I don't see the same passion in figuring things out that they seemed to have D4. Their only real push in this entire game that they pursued with conviction was on a townie who wasn't buying what they were selling. It was a totally reactive push. I'd expect that from noob-town but for an experienced player like Imperium, it sticks out. It was a push they made to advance their agenda.

I'll accept #1, and #2 we'll have to agree to disagree on as I believed in the essential opposite of you (Bacde was trying to outyell imp's case). As for 3, though, I feel that some of that is because there's not as much pressure on them now as there was. Sure, they shouldn't stop trying to scumhunt, but unless they're being hyper-active on the threshold of being lynched and then essentially dip into #proddodgetowin I don't think that a downtick in passion or pressure is necessarily a scum indicator.

Guys, this is getting us nowhere.

Lynch xtoxm.

Fix'd for you. Maybe you won't be ignored now.

[Voidedmafia]

Really don't have the heart for this game. Too many people jumping on every fucking thing I say to call me scum. People who should know me better calling me scum. A gamethrowing troll occupying a slot. Lynching my role at this stage of the game is really epicly retarded. But I guess this is what happens in multiball, too much scum so nothing gets done.

Nacho, Farside and DGB should all know that i'm town here so the simple fact they are mislynching me is EXTREMELY suspect. Not that the dead guy ever gets listened to.

N1 Spiff spent the night with TIP
N4 Voided spent the night alone

VOTE: XTOXM

Hold on, hold on.

You're saying you targeted me, and no one showed up?

[Voidedmafia]

(But really, don't self-vote.)

[Voidedmafia]

I'm thinking that's how your role works. It's the only way getting a pamphlet from you and then xtoxm, having well seen that I received one, claiming you didn't visit anyone. I mean, that's a shit claim from him in respect to his role and actions whil facing almost certain death today otherwise and I don't think he's a shit player.

It's a shit claim, it makes no sense, it contradicts your result, but you're not gonna vote him for it.

People, explain this to me. Explain why this is alive.

Dram, you really need better perception or you'd realize he's voting Imp right now.

I mean, just lol.

(on the other hand, though, I can't make heads nor tails of what Jaquen is claiming either)

[Voidedmafia]

... That's exactly my point.
He should be voting Xtoxm.

...Oh. I thought you were referring to Imp instead of Xtoxm.

Carry on, then.

[Voidedmafia]

What are your guys thoughts on Xtoxm's self vote? Trying to make sense of it myself.

AtE pity vote.

The fact he hasn't come back to confirm his results also removes any potential town in that post, too.

[Voidedmafia]

How do you explain why no one was vanilla-ized now that he's flipped town? That's right: role shenanigans. Apparently the same thing that resulted in a watcher-guilty on you. But you were unwilling to consider this possibility for Bacde even after the apparent fake-guilty on you. Why?

Because Jailkept?

Like, role shenanigans don't even matter in that case because Bacde couldn't act in the first place. And there isn't an argument regarding actions on Bacde because his supposes vanillize action (or vanilla investigation, as it turns out) came from himself. And Bacde neither claimed nor flipped any sort of strongman-esque modifier for his cop. So I'm not really getting the point here at al.

Also, why are you sure that it's role shenanigans on that, anyways?

[Voidedmafia]

Okay? And we didn't know that he wasn't the vanillizer yesterday, so what is the point of this argument?

It's like you're trying to argue that because we know in hindsight Bacde wasn't the Vanillizer we shouldn't have lynched him yesterday when we didn't know that. Which makes no sense.

[Voidedmafia]

@ Voided:

That's not what I said. I think that if Imperium were town who just got a fake-guilty on them due to weird role interactions, they wouldn't be so quick to jump on the vanillizer argument as if it was totally cut and dry without considering that maybe something interfered with his role or that there were night actions that we haven't fully figured out at that point.

I see a lot of defense of Imperium and questioning of the push on them but no questioning of Imperium themselves. Do you feel strongly that they are town?

Well, there

could

have been double-RB on Bacde or there

could

have been something else that happened to his role. But that still doesn't matter because, again, Bacde got jailkept the night after two consecutive vanillizes happened. He could've had his role mangled beyond extremes by roles, or had nothing done at all, but it's still a moot point since nothing would've happened in the first place.

And yes, I do.

and are you literally retroactively accusing us for stuff that didn't happen on night four and that's why we can't suspect someone on day three? Because that's what this feels like.

This is the same feeling I've been getting, too.

In other news, Jaqen is voting for Imperium even though Xtoxm is confirmed to be lying through Jaqen's own results which is lol

To be fair, it is essentialy a 1v1 between Imp and Xtoxm, so it's not like he's voting some third wheel that shouldn't exist, but Imp has more going for their credibility than Xtoxm does, so it's still suspect.

what does he gain as scum from lying about those?

Xtoxm? The hope that he'll be kept alive one day longer against a general consensus for his death.

voided

I'm confused by what you meant here. Talking to me? Stating your lynch preference?

[Voidedmafia]

admitting that he knows im town and setting himself up to do nothing for the rest of the game

And this is not confirmation of your results, thus irrelevant and scumtastic.

id love for you guys to come to terms on us and to have a conversation with us because I think that nacho thinks that you at least would want to talk to him so that would be great and OH OH OH would be more likely come tomorrow late morning/early afternoon our time if that's the case.

maybe some other scumteam would shoot voided and we can figure out if your balls cop is an insane cop or a naive cop

You don't want them to check me again now that it's an odd night?

(sigh) I hardly do anything because of IRL reasons. By the way, I'm not the only useless player here. Farside, move on, please! You're not scum, okay, but I'm not scum either. Remember, you were JK-ing me. Spiffeh had a result on me.

That's not an excuse for how continually out-of-touch you are. You should stick to something less lengthy or intensive if this is a consistent issue.

Wait-oh... and where was that Vanillizer last Night?

No one has claimed to be vanillized for 2 nights now.

Is there a confirmation for that? Is that true for every single investigation?

We don't know. Otherwise imp would be calling for our lynch in between getting through Warped, probably.

[Voidedmafia]

OMG they actually make a post that's not a naked vote!

[Voidedmafia]

Even if Xtoxm is not lying about his results there are plenty of reasons why he is scum that have merit.

I think we are both too stubborn to be convinced so I'll just wait for people to realize that Xtoxm is the only possible lynch today and THEN YOU WILL SEE!!

My concern is with what you'll do afterwards depending on how xtoxm flips. Instalynching Imp upon an xtoxm townflip is okay, but I don't like how you're setting up to lynch jaqen regardless of xtoxm's flip. Unless you're not up for lynching him if Xtoxm flips town?

Anen, what the hell is up with that pigeon?

In this scenario, he would have seen I received a pamphlet on Voided. He would have seen Imperium's lack of rebuttal of me receiving s pamphlet on Voided. With this knkwledge in hand, he still claims to have watched a lonely Voided knowing full well it could lead to his mislynch. I fail to find the scummotivation here either.

It is possible Xtoxm is banking on getting enough AtE from the self-vote to sway things to Imp, though I think xtoxm is smart enough to realize he doesn't have that kind of sway here. I'd hope.

[Voidedmafia]

I don't get why you're under the impression I am "setting up" a Jaqen lynch. That seems like an overdramatization. I've just been pointing out shit he's said that I think is scummy. I don't have some grand master plan to put into action.

Actually I'm curious as to why you're bringing up me setting up someone to be lynched only now when yesterday I made it perfectly clear I even admitted to setting up a Xtxom lynch regardless of Bacde's flip. Why were you fine with it then?

So you are not going to want Jaqen lynched when xtoxm flips town/scum, and just want him lynched period?

Also, I think a fair portion of us (myself included) were wanting Xtoxm lynched regardless of Bacde's flip (and in some cases lynched before Bacde, IIRC), so I'm not about to call you out on a position I held myself.

[Voidedmafia]

So you are not going to want Jaqen lynched when xtoxm flips town/scum, and just want him lynched period?

What is the difference between these? I will consider Jaqen as a lynch tomorrow just like I consider everyone else?

I just don't get what you found so out of the ordinary.

It's just that your recent posts have come off to me as if you're saying Jaqen should be lynched if Xtoxm is scum and should be lynched if Xtoxm is town; not so much that you want him lynched regardless of Xtoxm's flip, but that either flip would be additional evidence that Jaqen should go next, if that makes sense.

[Voidedmafia]

metal sonic - I've let nacho know that you wanted to know about xtoxm.

Did xtoxm ever clarify his role and if he was claiming a watch in addition to a track result?

Nope.

[Voidedmafia]

Don't wanna risk being accused of playing anti wincon. Thought I self hammered before tbqh. This will be viewed as an act of self preservation and speed things up anyway.

And you have refused to elaborate on your claimed results on me and its contradiction with Imp's claimed action, why?

[Voidedmafia]

Xtoxm's play lately is just weird.

His sheer avoidance of saying anything about his results speaks enough to that. I've been expecting him to just suddenly pop up and explain it now.

I feel like we're waiting on Xtoxm to post things like that and it's just not going to happen.

[Voidedmafia]

I don't really like Voided's indifference to the Voided result when the check landed on scum on a previous corresponding day

Look, what exactly do you want me to do about it? I know I'm town, so that not guilty should be a true not guilty. But the guilty they got N2 on WN turned up as a guilty when their N1 guilty (Which we KNOW is sane)

also

was guilty, so some shit is up with their results if I'm recalling them right. That result is a non-issue until we can actually figure out what the hell their sanity/modifier is on even nights. It's something to go back to later on, but right now it's immaterial.

I essentially agree with your townreads (as much as I want Misaka to fucking die right now), though for me Imp's a townread as well. MoF is null but that's more because I don't remember much from them, I think.

Nulls are okay (Holy shit, OS was in this game still?). I still think Constantine is really flying under the radar because we've been inundated with his bullshit and are kinda just tuning him out. Anen I feel like fluctuates between town, null and scum from all of the forgetfulness of the game to the point that it's mind-boggling. I think Dram's scumtunnelling on jaqen, and Warped does need to talk about more than just Xtoxm and Imp mainly.

And then obviously I agree about Xtoxm but not about myself.

I don't really like Voided's indifference to the Voided result when the check landed on scum on a previous corresponding day But it's hard for me to justify switching over to Imperium

Voided's handling of the whole situation is weird; it feels like he's landed very solidly in camp Imperium lately and I probably shouldn't be as creeped out by it as I am but I am so basically scum reading Voided for town reading me at the moment.

How does that even work?

[Voidedmafia]

I believe i've covered everything.

No you haven't.

what if.
we kill this:

vote: constantine

I'd do this if I didn't feel the day has dragged on enough and we should just lynch Xtoxm and be done with it.

I don't know what more people expect me to say about my results. That's what the mod told me, almost word for word.

Imp says they targeted me. You say that no one targeted me.

You don't think that

something

is amiss here?