Inorganic Chemistry [GAME OVER, SCUM WIN]

[Sonic Boom]

Sonic's vote change is also ew

no

[Sonic Boom]

Sonic's vote change is also ew

no

ok, maybe a bit.

Titus changed the vote w/o talking to me about it.

lalala

[Sonic Boom]

Sonic super readslist @ Page 51

STRONG Town

Sonic Boom (Metal Sonic + Titus)
ZZZX
Tere
vezokpiraka
Jaqen Hghar
------- <---- dont lynch above this line

Town

Ankamius
Flubbernugget
Wickedestjr
Mac
------- <------ line of maybeness

UNSURE/NULL

ika
Lying Cat (sthar8 + Jingle)
mastin2
Kari
Cerberus v666
--
Shakira Confirmed (Marquis + Fluminator)
hiplop
Bins

Scum

updated.

Jaqen is up into strong town.

shifted some null reads into town pile.

Bins latest posts ping unusually hard. Down to scum pile

[Sonic Boom]

ankamius is pretty town but there is that seed of doubt that prevents me from putting him into strong town

but yeah, high probtown is what i'd call it.

[Sonic Boom]

I feel about being on the same wagon as vezok and Flubber.

i lvoe being on the same wagon as vezok and flubber.

i don't know what i feel about being on the same wagon as

you

, though!

[Sonic Boom]

hmm. ^ this post makes me go hmm.

i squinted my eyes. hmm.

[Sonic Boom]

Martina, you are really scaring me here. I see you posting elsewhere and now I see what looks to be whiteknighting from you. (Hiplop's posting is "Pretty awful" but you don't think he's scum). Then there's the quibble with over the definition of counter wagon. It doesn't matter which came first in a good vca but rather what options scum feel they have.

Bring me some good Mastina logic on why hiplop is town, or I am turbo tunneling you if hiplop flips scum.

I know Sonic wants our vote on Bins but I don't see scum Bins. I see scum hiplop.

[Sonic Boom]

Oh and ika did tell me what he thinks you are doing in that non answer by the way. I doubt he's right though.

[Sonic Boom]

Mastina, if you think Sonic is talking to you, your reading comprehension needs work.

Doubly so if you think it's Sonic in the way of voting Bins...or are you in the middle of making multiple catch up posts again...

[Sonic Boom]

mastina, I

dont

freaking

trust you.

Vote bins for

you

? Nah.

If I'm voting, I'm voting bins for jaqen

Not you

I don't take a single post of yours into account

[Sonic Boom]

hi titus

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Mastin's posting is ew

Substantiate this. I'm not interested in anyone else's answer before Flubber's by the way.

Frankly, I don't care about Flubber's response.

It's

Sonic

taking the same stance that is.

heyheyhey...

I came first! Then ika! Then flubber!

He's last place! I'm the one with the original ideas

[Sonic Boom]

eh, zx isn't flipping scum. trust me on that one

I'm not flipping scum either but you probably can't really take my word for it, or can you?

vote:bins

killing this now.

[Sonic Boom]

Think both bins and hiplop are scum now. They refuse to vote each other

Icky

[Sonic Boom]

VOTE: hiplop

I don't think Bins is scum.

[Sonic Boom]

ok back to our hydra pt we go!

[Sonic Boom]

mastina, I

dont

freaking

trust you.

And therein lies the problem:

If you were town, I'm having extreme,

extreme

difficulties comprehending how you WOULDN'T be trusting me.

OMGUS

[Sonic Boom]

It's the thought that goes

"Hey, mastina is wrong on me, what's preventing him from being wrong on the rest of his reads?"

Credibility down

[Sonic Boom]

*her

[Sonic Boom]

yeah maybe if you didn't park your vote on my slot for 51 pages perhaps I would listen to you more


but then again I probably wouldn't. Lol.

[Sonic Boom]

I'm sonic, fool

[Sonic Boom]

Yeah I've agreed that Mac was town since the very beginning

I just didn't want to go anywhere near your shitty "100% town" offers

Mastin is not sonic's favorite brand names

[Sonic Boom]

It's not that I disagree with your reads


I just... ignore them

[Sonic Boom]

Yes, every player should view the same stimuli the same Mastina. Nope.

You have provided nothing worth agreeing with here. For a fan of meta analysis, you have a short time frame. The last time we "worked together well", I was scum so far up your ass you might as well have been talking for me but for that DV read. I was scum.

If you're going to scumread us for not acting like you're the Lord and savior of teaching crazy people, then go ahead.

~Titus

[Sonic Boom]

Have I been calling mastina scum? I must have forgot, pls rejog my memory

[Sonic Boom]

hmm, good one.

Noted

[Sonic Boom]

@LC, You are right that I know Mastina. I don't doubt that she's trying to "browbeat" what she wants. Yet, I don't see that as town. Town Mastina, I can track reasons for, even if I disagree. Here, she's refusing to provide anything that resembles a fully fleshed out read.
She is refusing to get on Hiplop for no reason. She thinks his posts are terrible but refuses to vote. Bins has this same issue too of not voting hiplop which is why Sonic wants them voted too.

Right now, if I was letting myself be totally paranoid, I would state this is a VCA stunt and another vote or two puts them at the point of no return.

[Sonic Boom]

Forgot to sign but I am Titus and I will be unavailable for about the next 12 hours.

[Sonic Boom]

@Lying Cat/Mastina, Why am I supposed to belive Mastina being OMG super right when I threw her off the majority of Signs and Void? Why shouldn't I think that one of you two is scum and buddying the other?

@Mastina, Yeah, I get it, you lurk because real life. Irrelevant. If I see you avoiding this thread, I start to think scum. Can you stop with the diattribes? Until you give me a reason why you're not voting hiplop, I'm presuming you're buddies with hiplop.

Oh and ika's gone again.

~Titus

[Sonic Boom]

@Mastina, If you're posting in other threads but not here, I think you're scum avoiding the thread. Universal lurking, I don't factor in.

So basically, you're telling me I should excuse what is objectively bad play because it fits with your meta and your theory of yourself? And you're scumreading me for that?

Hahaha. You know my stance on meta better than anyone.

~Titus

[Sonic Boom]

@Mastina, I don't excuse anti-town play because it's your mindstate. I can excuse faulty logic, irrational beliefs, I'm not going to follow your reads when you don't explain them and they are logically bad. You stating mindstate is the first thing I agree with. I just don't see any town coming from vote parking us all game, not reading, not having solid reads, not acting consistently with how you're feeling and then pushing those who highlight this.

You've told me that you've detailed your reads, when I said you haven't. Show me a detailed reading that's more than someone disagreeing with you. I don't think you're the mighty Lord and Savior ika does.

[Sonic Boom]

ok. hi.

just trawled through a bunch of mastinwalls.

but having a talk about. If I have a read which is 96-100%, then even the talk shouldn't happen; it should just be an, "Okay, Mastin, if you're wrong, this one's on you" thing.

TOWNBLOC:
TellTaleHeart (TTH is town, period)
Bulbazak

Titus

Shadoweh

TOWN:
Oversoul/Tammy
GuyInFreezer (GIF off of Titus-trust)
ChanelDeliBird (I fully believe CDB's claim)
ActionDan (I hated the wagon on him)

WEAK TOWN:
Gammagooey (here 'cause Nacho)
Vezokpiraka (same)
Untrod Tripod
Espeonage (off of meh wagons)

REST:
Aronis
Formerfish/Marquis

SCUM:

Cheetory (pure gut)

DeasVail

singersigner/Empire/Zar

/still doing basic VCA.

lol. no.

[Sonic Boom]

"Okay, Mastin, if you're wrong, this one's on you"

"I'm never buying your "X is 100% town!" products again, Mastin. Never again."

[Sonic Boom]

im a dissatisfied customer, mastina

thats why:

Mastin is not sonic's favorite brand names

Well I can understand not being THE favorite, but not being *a* favorite, I can't.

you are not a trusted brand name

[Sonic Boom]

serious talk:

i have a tell that says that:

if bins flips scum, hiplop is town

if hiplop flips scum, bins alignment is unknown

if either flips town, we are back to square one.



for this reason i am more preferable to vote bins.

but i dont want to hop off hiplop and later he flips scum. that is just a sad retreat.

the best way to solve this problem is to metadive hiplop

but i dont care enough to do that.

[Sonic Boom]

MS: Why post #1379? That's remarkably useless when you consider hiplop has a lot more votes and deadline is approaching, especially just to say that you're keeping your vote on hiplop anyway.

idk. just talking to myself maybe

just wanted to loook at that in postgame and see if my tell is right i suppose

[Sonic Boom]

Marquis,

Either you stop posting in fking caps or you fking sign

Thanks for reading this public service announcement

[Sonic Boom]

Mastin, if you're town, can you please stop making every post a rave about how good you are at this game and actually post something meaningful or relevant?

I agree with this post, btw

The walls that I had to read over were just mastina talking about herself

Which is a waste of our time especially when it's not justified, with her spectacular reads in signs n void

[Sonic Boom]

That wasn't Marq, the sorriest.

case in point.

flum, weren't you supposed to be the signing dude?

[Sonic Boom]

Mastina: Show me a detailed reading that's more than someone disagreeing with you. I don't think you're the mighty Lord and Savior ika does.

Ika, I don't see you postin'. I hatin'. I am trying to catch you di
ridin' scummy. Ridin' scummy.

[Sonic Boom]

ika, stop thinking literally. Parker possessed me and replied and told you that no I don't think Mastina's Parker and I'm not either... or was that NOT what you were saying?

I'm going to keep poking you until you actually show the town ika behaviors I expect. Deal with it.

[Sonic Boom]

Then post a VLA or reads. If neither happens, I will poke. I am not waiting for you to spew out garbage.

~Titus

[Sonic Boom]

You should understand that my gripe with you isn't IRL. It's your lack of investigating/clear thought. Anyone can stick names in an RNG generator and create a PoE list. I want to see you investigate.

If you have time to botch, particularly using Jaquen's stilted language, you have time to ask scumhunting questions.

[Sonic Boom]

@Lying Cat,

My problem with the Bins wagon is two fold. First, it's a counter wagon to hiplop (meaning scum need to pick one or the other). Second, I can't see a reason why to vote Bins, much like you cannot see a reason to vote hiplop. I don't understand Sonic position and he has tried to explain it. All I see is Mastina causing a shit storm to detract from hiplop which is different than House Party.

[Sonic Boom]

WOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

HAPPY BIRTHY ANKY <3

GREAT PRESENT, ANTI

[Sonic Boom]

umm, no you're wrong. hiplop wagon came first

[Sonic Boom]

i started hiplop wagon here:

lmfao, hiplop's vote is terrible as fuck, kill it

VOTE: hiplop

subsequently from my point of view (my reads), hiplop wagon was entirely town driven

at this point, there were 0 bins voters

Ionization Energy of Transition Metals

A transition metal’s ionization energy is related to the energies of its d orbitals, its ease of oxidation, and its basicity. In simplest terms, the greater a metal’s ionization energy, the harder it is to pull an electron from it. Thus, metal centers with high ionization energies exhibit low basicity (or nucleophilicity) and are resistant to oxidation. Trends in ionization energy are more complex than atomic size trends, as the plot below amply demonstrates.

The first thing we may notice is that in general, ionization energy increases as we move from left to right across a row. Notable dips occur at row 1, group 10 (Ni) and row 3, group 7 (Re). However, the general trend is consistent with our previous notion that electronegativity increases as we move left-to-right across a row. As for trends down a group, it’s difficult to discern anything useful in the graph above. What we can say (considering second and higher ionization potentials, not shown) is that higher oxidation states are more accessible to third-row metals. Easy way to remember this: OsO₄ is a stable reagent that reacts only with alkenes; RuO₄ is prepared in situ and ravages alkenes and alcohols; FeO₄ has never been observed.

We’ll touch on trends in acidity/basicity again in a later post on hydride ligands, but they tend to follow the trends in bond strength described below: basicity increases (and acidity decreases) as we move down a group, generally.

Vote Count 1.8

Cerberus v666 - 2 (Lying Cat, Flubbernugget)
Flubbernugget - 1 (Wickedestjr)
hiplop - 1 (Sonic Boom)
Shakira Confirmed - 1 (Mac)
Sonic Boom - 6 (mastin2, Ankamius, Shakira Confirmed, Tere, Jaqen Hghar, hiplop)
vezokpiraka - 1 (ZZZX)

Not Voting: Bins, Cerberus v666, ika, Kari, vezokpiraka

mastin2 is LA until June 16th.

9 to lynch. Deadline is in (expired on 2015-06-17 23:00:25)

so a man must maintain his memory

[Sonic Boom]

A man is further finding it no coincidence vezok's vote is bookended by scum-Sonic (who is moving their vote to the end of the wagon to be less obvious and play up "hydra dissonance" out of desperation for a town read) and ZZZX who is also certain scum because that one is probably the easiest player on site to read once you analyze his <town PR, vanilla, scum> plays as he is having a unique style for playing each role.

Lynch Binscum today
Lynch ZZZX scum tomorrow
When a man is right on those (in particular Z)- lynch Sonic D3

Someone else can find #4. A man isn't too sure about his initial read on Cerberus and is seeing a couple of other, better options.

Yes, before it is being asked, a man is definitely lining up lynches. As such, he is much and more content in being flashed lynched if the town is finding that necessary- so long as it is coming with the solemn promise to then follow a man's lineup when he is flipping town.

a man will look like a fool if neither of the above flip scum

[Sonic Boom]

Vote Count 1.3

Bins - 2 (Wickedestjr, Jaqen Hghar)
Cerberus v666 - 1 (ZZZX)
ika - 1 (ika)
Mac - 3 (Shakira Confirmed, Flubbernugget, Sonic Boom)
mastin2 - 1 (hiplop)
Shakira Confirmed - 3 (Flames682, vezokpiraka, Mac)
Sonic Boom - 3 (mastin2, Bins, Ankamius)

A man is well aware of that which is transpiring and though the votes are vanishing, the pressure is not. Bins is still the first wagon with hiplop being the counter and coming with opportune timing so that when the Bins wagon is reforming it can be misrepresented as a counter to hiplop when just the opposite is true. Thanks for stepping up to claim starting that counterwagon, Titusscum.

and a man should remember that bins was a counter wagon to me

so is bins the scum counterwagon or what.

[Sonic Boom]

The Shielding Effect

An atom (assuming its atomic number is greater than 2) has core electrons that are extremely attracted to the nucleus in the middle of the atom. However the number of protons in the nucleus are never equal to the number of core electrons (relatively) adjacent to the nucleus. The number of protons increase by one across the periodic table, but the number of core electrons change by periods. The first period has no core electrons, the second has 2, the third has 10, and etc. This number is not equal to the number of protons. So that means that the core electrons feel a stronger pull towards the nucleus than any other electron within the system. The valence electrons are farther out from the nucleus, so they experience a smaller force of attraction.

Shielding refers to the core electrons repelling the outer rings and thus lowering the 1:1 ratio. The nucleus has "less grip" on the outer electrons and are shielded from them.

Shielding describes the amount of screening from nuclear charge that one electron can do with respect to its neighboring electrons. Electrons that have greater penetration can get closer to the nucleus and effectively block out the charge from electrons that have less proximity. For example, Z_eff is calculated by subtracting the magnitude of shielding from the total nuclear charge. The value of Z_eff will provide information on how much of a charge an electron actually experiences.

Because the order of electron penetration from greatest to least is s, p, d, f; the order of the amount of shielding done is also in the order s, p, d, f.

Since the 2s electron has more density near the nucleus of an atom than a 2p electron, it is said to shield the 2p electron from the full effective charge of the nucleus. Therefore the 2p electron feels a lesser effect of the positively charged nucleus of the atom due to the shielding ability of the electrons closer to the nucleus than itself, (i.e. 2s electron).

These electrons that are shielded from the full charge of the nucleus are said to experience an effective nuclear charge (Z_eff) of the nucleus, which is some degree less than the full nuclear charge an electron would feel in a hydrogen atom or hydrogenlike ions. The effective nuclear charge of an atom is given by the equation:

Z_eff=Z−S

where

Z is the atomic number (number of protons in nucleus) and
S is the shielding constant
We can see from this equation that the effective nuclear charge of an atom increases as the number of protons in an atom increases. Therefore as we go from left to right on the periodic table the effective nuclear charge of an atom increases in strength and holds the outer electrons closer and tighter to the nucleus. This phenomena can explain the decrease in atomic radii we see as we go across the periodic table as electrons are held closer to the nucleus due to increase in number of protons and increase in effective nuclear charge.

Vote Count 1.1

ika - 1 (Sonic Boom)
Mac - 1 (Ankamius)
mastin2 - 3 (Wickedestjr, hiplop, Gorkington)
Shakira Confirmed - 4 (Flames682, vezokpiraka, ZZZX, Mac)
Sonic Boom - 3 (mastin2, Shakira Confirmed, Flubbernugget)

Not Voting: Cerberus v666, ika, Jaqen Hghar, Lying Cat, Tere

9 to lynch. Deadline is in (expired on 2015-06-17 23:00:25)

the man should read really fucking carefully


cause im not titus

[Sonic Boom]

Dissect this "fantasy" so a man can slam you with evidence, vezok.

im going to dissect the fantasy that bins was a "wagon that came first"

[Sonic Boom]

Sonic was an RVS wagon, Bins was not. Try again.

oh really?

but mastina and shakira parked their votes on me even longer than you call your scumread on bins

so you try again

[Sonic Boom]

Vote Count 1.8

Cerberus v666 - 2 (Lying Cat, Flubbernugget)
Flubbernugget - 1 (Wickedestjr)
hiplop - 1 (Sonic Boom)
Shakira Confirmed - 1 (Mac)
Sonic Boom - 6 (mastin2, Ankamius, Shakira Confirmed, Tere, Jaqen Hghar, hiplop)
vezokpiraka - 1 (ZZZX)

Not Voting: Bins, Cerberus v666, ika, Kari, vezokpiraka

mastin2 is LA until June 16th.

9 to lynch. Deadline is in (expired on 2015-06-17 23:00:25)[/color]

you call the 6 votes on me rvs?

i dont see and bins votes

do you want to justify

[Sonic Boom]

A man is conceding he should have picked up on the "fool" keyword when skimming the pedit

a hedgehog is proving that a man should read pretty fucking carefully before accusing anybody of shit

a hedgehog is seeing a man time and time again making unjustifiable statements that is uncharacteristic of a gentle man

[Sonic Boom]

Vote Count 1.3

Bins - 2 (Wickedestjr, Jaqen Hghar)
Cerberus v666 - 1 (ZZZX)
ika - 1 (ika)
Mac - 3 (Shakira Confirmed, Flubbernugget, Sonic Boom)
mastin2 - 1 (hiplop)
Shakira Confirmed - 3 (Flames682, vezokpiraka, Mac)
Sonic Boom - 3 (mastin2, Bins, Ankamius)

A man is well aware of that which is transpiring and though the votes are vanishing, the pressure is not. Bins is still the first wagon with hiplop being the counter and coming with opportune timing so that when the Bins wagon is reforming it can be misrepresented as a counter to hiplop when just the opposite is true. Thanks for stepping up to claim starting that counterwagon, Titusscum.

then a man should notice that sonic boom wagon has ALWAYS been larger than that kiddy pram of whatever Bins is

[Sonic Boom]

Also you can't seriously call 2 votes on someone a wagon.

if an "RVS wagon" that a man calls has more votes than a "manly wagon" on whatever he thinks Bins is


then a man is probably just a little boy

[Sonic Boom]

you're just plain wrong here.

just suck it up, jaqen.

[Sonic Boom]

Hiplop wagon is forming just as votes slide off Bins originally (though Bins pressure is continuing with more and more voicing concern for that slot). A man is thinking that is the perfect time for scum to be forming a counter to the suspicion on their scum partner. Hiplop isn't scum. The speed and ease of the until push as well as reasons a man is already giving are showing that one is town.

Scum aren't easy to build a wagon on
Scum don't bounce their vote all over the place on D1 (it's counterintuitive for scum to draw attention to themselves, especially in D1, in such a manner)
His ISO is screaming easy mislynch

And you think bins is actually scum?

Also you can't seriously call 2 votes on someone a wagon.

The thing is that ~4 people has given intent to join that wagon which makes it a future - buildable - wagon and can be treated as such.

yeah but the bins never gotten above 6

look at how fast sonic and hiplop got


oh wait

[Sonic Boom]

Bins - 4 (Lying Cat, mastin2, Jaqen Hghar, Wickedestjr)
hiplop - 6 (vezokpiraka, ZZZX, Flubbernugget, Cerberus v666, Shakira Confirmed, Sonic Boom)
Lying Cat - 1 (Bins)
Shakira Confirmed - 1 (Mac)
Sonic Boom - 2 (Ankamius, Tere)
ZZZX - 1 (hiplop)

Not Voting: ika, Kari

Ank, Tere, hiplop must needs be fixing their vote. Kari and ika must needs be making one. Mac- is a vanity vote really the place to be?

I kind of feel if Bins has a useful and proveable day action, she should consider claiming

Lying Cat - 1 (Bins)

That one is using her day power- unoriginally on the first member of her wagon.

Sonic Boom - 6 (mastin2, Ankamius, Shakira Confirmed, Tere, Jaqen Hghar, hiplop)




hiplop wagon and sonic boom wagon is entirely diffeeren members of 6 people

i smeel something fishy here

[Sonic Boom]

im calling titus



for now, im staying on hiplop

i maintain my stance that hiplop wagon is entirely town driven. except for shakira and cerberus whom i dont think is town.

so it was

[Sonic Boom]

ill help you with that

im like this as town.

i win as scum

I hate this kind of argument even if I use something similar tbh.

with what i've seen

i doubt he can win anything tbh



*ELITIST ALERT*

[Sonic Boom]

Fine...

A man is as nauseam on Bins. If one isn't seeing that case, then one is being willfully blind. This one is on lock and is even giving the D1 scum surrender post.

ZZZX:

as a town PR ZZZX is lurks, coming out of his lurk almost immediately the very moment anybody casts doubt on his slot and then goes back to lurking when attention goes elsewhere. HE PLAYS LIKE THIS EVERY TIME HE IS A TOWN PR WITHOUT FAIL. He isn't doing this here, hence he isn't a town PR.

as VT, his vote floats the ought the day, ESPECIALLY the first day. He is also somewhat engaged and questions most if not all of the player base. He has a fairly sincere temperament in his posting. D1 is almost over and he hasn't exhibited any if this. HE PLAYS THIS WAY EVERY TIME AS VT. Thus, he isn't VT.

as scum, ZZZX is more of a smartass (cheeky if you will), less engaged than VT but more engaged than town PR. He is easier to get along with and is almost always town read by the majority of the players in the game. HE PLAYS THIS WAY EVERY TIME HE HAS A SCUM ROLE CARD. He IS playing this way here, so he's scum this game.

Like I said, this guy is hands down the easiest guy on the site to nail down what role he has.

Sonic says he is 100% on reading ZZZX correctly, and I'm inclined to believe him because like I said easy. So his guaranteed town read on a guaranteed scum slot which he is never wrong in is a major conflict. When (yes, WHEN) ZZZX flips scum, Sonic needs to be held accountable for his bad read on a slot he us never wrong on (a slot that's literally an open book to read).

All of this is sound, provable logic and is completely differentiated from personal feelings. This is nothing more than following a trail of EVIDENCE and holding people accountable for their actions.

<winkie.face>

im convinced by your reasoning.


except he is not playing as scum here. he is playing as the PR / VT here. he is lurking like a useless fucklord and i have no idea why you cant see that.

so zzzx is not flipping scum.

[Sonic Boom]

He IS playing this way here, so he's scum this game.

look bro here's where i fundamentally disagree with you

[Sonic Boom]

When (yes, WHEN) ZZZX flips scum, Sonic needs to be held accountable for his bad read on a slot he us never wrong on (a slot that's literally an open book to read).

how accountable will you be when zzzx flips town?


you promise to work better with me? cuz im quite sure you look like town (if you're scum, fuck you btw ) so idk

[Sonic Boom]

A man is just going back and auditing your previous games and is noticing this pattern very clearly.

frankly i find this hard to believe

how many did you look at?

does anybody believe that jaqen actually looked at zzx's past games?

pls raise the hand

[Sonic Boom]

Lol! A man is already advocating a flash lynch on himself if the rest of the town are finding it necessary. What more must a man give? Must he pluck his short curlies or chop off a pinky toe irl?

theres no need to flash lynch you


plucking the short curlies sounds interesting....

[Sonic Boom]

if you actually did that,

you can get a bonus kodak award scummie!

how cool is that!

[Sonic Boom]

i know

print out a sonic mask or get one (to hide your face if you waant)


then film yourself saying "i love sonic!"

that sounds good

[Sonic Boom]

you'll definitely win kodak award

[Sonic Boom]

A man is just going back and auditing your previous games and is noticing this pattern very clearly.

frankly i find this hard to believe

how many did you look at?

does anybody believe that jaqen actually looked at zzx's past games?

pls raise the hand

All of them- on the basis of ZZZX's role and that ones play style in ISO alone. And before you raise your hand, look back at a man asking for three VT games from ZZZX and that one's obstinance in not so doing. It was Z who is forcing a man's hand in doing so.

A man further loools at this one back pedaling to add distance between himself and his bad read on ZZZX with this question. A man is dropping Fat Boy on scum's Nagasaki and watch as they are scrambling like so many roaches!

no. i still maintain that zzzx is town. what are you talking about when you said add distance?


i ask this question because zzzx's games are absolutely horrible and i would not read it.


if you think that zzzx is a Nagasaki you'd better think again! lol!


let me test you. no cheating. what was zzzx's role in knight errant 2?

[Sonic Boom]

if you think that zzzx is a Nagasaki you'd better think again! lol!

i know South East Asia WWII history. come on.


what your answer, man?

like i said, no cheeating

[Sonic Boom]

Pfft. A man isn't keeping track of roles to specific games. A man is keeping track of roles to specific play style. Good try though!

good try to you

the answer is: zzzx didnt play in knight errant

it was a trick question.

[Sonic Boom]

Ha! Z is far from Fat Boy! That would be 1463

you're dropping Fat Boy onto ZZZX, right?

so ZZZX is Nagasaki!

except, he isn't. he is just. not. very japanese, for lack of a euphemism

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And? A man is already saying he isn't tracking a game's name. A man is ONLY tracking play style to role in each game he has played, and there are more than a few. How could this one reasonably expect a man to reasonably care for the name of a game when a game's name has nothing to do with what a man is searching?

A man is dropping Fat Boy on your entire team.

yeah?

well due to your poor reading skills, a man has accidentally dropped Fat Boy onto poor Indonesia. he isn't reading his map very well!


but that's all right.

sonic will save the innocent victims for this unfortunate disaster before its too late

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And? A man is already saying he isn't tracking a game's name. A man is ONLY tracking play style to role in each game he has played, and there are more than a few. How could this one reasonably expect a man to reasonably care for the name of a game when a game's name has nothing to do with what a man is searching?

if a man gave a different answer, or incidentally the RIGHT answer, the man would instantly be confscum for cheating

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sign up for the 3 prong trouser god game after it gets approved!

A man can prove that he is indeed the MANLIEST there! with his manly parts

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titus has replied

mastina and hiplop are scum by play, but VCA without a flip means next to nothing

so much for my theory


she'l be checking in soon

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Need to lynch hiplop.

ZZZX, you lurk in big games. In smaller ones you don't. The whole ZZZX lurks is shit. Unless someone has a wagon sensor, VCA day 1 is shit.

Hiplop should use his ability already.

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organic chemistry

no.


try:

cave story mafia

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I was wrong on Hiplop claiming action.

who is your main scum read?

Lolz we are so bad.

Anyway back to game...

Can most of the the scum team really be in Hiplop Mastina Ank ika... A girl can only hope

Metal, you leaking bad.

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I was wrong on Hiplop claiming action.

who is your main scum read?

don't make me crack out the sparklers i shove up the asses of people who post outside their hyrdas.

I stole your page top teehee

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why can't you hold your nose?

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i dont think i actually believe bins 'day power' thing tbh

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^^ If hiplop flips scum like he should, we are 1 v 1ing SC. Terrible read on us, bails off hiplop at L-2 to try and start a wagon on someone he's been told is town repeatedly and one of the heads of the hydra disagrees with.

~ObvTitus

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Like 100% provable.

You even know it was me that targeted you provable.

Fair enough, I'll work with Sonic on the definition of provable inventor.

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Titus, can you walk me through why you think my slot's scum?
-Flum

Sure. Mostly it's Marquis play but he's acting like he's right based on meta when he's totally wrong. Your slot ignores repeated indications I am town with zero attempt to engage the people who disagree. Marques just lurks at the background. Now that Hiplop is close to being lynched Marquis tries to swing the same wagon he's being trying all day with absolutely nothing. He acts oblivious to the fact the majority of his wagon has vote parked me since the start for next to no reason (Mastina, because I am not sheeping garbage reads, Ank because he's insane and ignores the fact I shot down his points to everyone here). Basically Marquis ought to know I am town if he knows me at all and he persists. The only reason I can see why is to save hiplop. Flum, you are letting that opportunistic shit happen.

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Oh and since Bins has obviously stated he's making us a PR, lynching us allows the scum team to deny a PR use.

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Titus.

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Tere why are you on this anyway, Sonic is telling me you're town, but I struggle to see town motivation here.

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SC - I was town in O chem so to argue I am repeating I chem is to argue I am town...

That was not an appeal to you Flum but the explanation you asked for.

Point blank, we are not getting lynched. Bins is making us a PR. Hiplop will flip scum. All will be right in the world.

Tere that's a specific promise to make us a PR with the expectation that we state the proof that Bins gave us something. Ika and I go back many years. Ika does not feel town to me at all. There's a liveliness a chaoticness when he is town that I am not seeing.

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@Tere...this amazes me...You like me better but I am the one scumreading you...Sonic just thinks you are bad. So why do you like me more?

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That logical inconsistency makes me think Sonic may be right. I don't see scum forgetting which head they buddied.

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If you guys flip town I will probably just not ever join a game with him in again because I can't be fucked with it.

wat.

why would you say this? we were the best of buddies in pokemon!

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do you just blacklist pple for no reason

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Good night Tere. I ask you take Sonic out of the picture, just look at facts.

Sonic let Tere cool down.

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I just don't enjoy interacting with you in mafia.

wtf

ok be that way

blacklist me, i can live without you

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well that looks like a town looking troll plea


or is my heart going soft and my feet getting cold?

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personally if he were town he would make his vt claim more cooler


so i am doubting if he is "clearly town"


gosh

im just a coward

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Sonic, that's a supersaint crumb in a setup where the only PRs should be inventors. Full steam ahead.

@Clubber, You take all that and try to reduce it to ego. Really? Meta being wrong is a stretch to turn into ego. Opportunistic wagon hopping has nothing to do with ego. Them ignoring the gamestate has nothing to do with my ego. Your posts is absurd pandering. My thought is why?

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Sonic, that's a supersaint crumb in a setup where the only PRs should be inventors. Full steam ahead.

@Clubber, You take all that and try to reduce it to ego. Really? Meta being wrong is a stretch to turn into ego. Opportunistic wagon hopping has nothing to do with ego. Them ignoring the gamestate has nothing to do with my ego. Your posts is absurd pandering. My thought is why?

no, thats not a crumb. its a really really *really* weak plea to <not lynch him> but since its so weak actually i am beginnnig to think it is not legit



Flubber is town though. I think scum are beginning to counter wagon. all the players on tere slot are now clean: note that SC and cerb hopped off

if hiplop flips scum, we win? is it that easy?

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tere

*the


tere is pretty town too voting hiplop so still yeah

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Umm what?

First you're saying you'll give us an item, then you're saying you'd prefer us lynched over Hiplop? I am clearly under the impression you will give us something and you ignore this?

~Titus

(If we ever forget to sign, I tend to have proper grammar (barring phone autocorrecting).

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titus is so greedy

im 80% sure that we are not getting a gift from bins

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honestly, i think that bins is trolling

we will see

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the smiley made his plea 20% more effective


it is still not very effective. as an ate expert i am not convinced

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noooo! Binsy!

</3

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ftr:

Bins neighborized us last night

Coincidentally we got a weak cop invention last night.

That would be a game winning combination


Good thing our cop target was town! Otherwise we would be in shite


shakira confirmed town

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Yeah duh you're a scummy fuck

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Marquis shitpushing my slot mostly

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OK so the hiplop wagon WAS all town, with you being conftown

VOTE: hiplop


Slam that guy


Also jaqen is either very fail town or scum.

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THAT IS THE WORST COP TARGET EVER MS AND YOU FUCKING KNOW IT

FLUMY VOTE HIM PLS

Nope

posts like ^ justify my cop target 100%

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What do you even mean if the cop target wasn't town you'd be in shite?

A weak cop will kill the user if the target is scum.

The plan was for if my target was scum, Bins as my neighbor would deliver the news



She died.


If we died too, that would be shite

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Convenient you ignored Mastin who shitpushed you even more.

Mastin is useless regardless. We'll policy her later

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Sonic is confirmed lying. Bin's neighbourize took place in the day, it says it in the role PM. And you voted bins yesterday. You're lying, and caught scum.

Great work reading her role pm

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ika had one job

One job

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Oh ya lying cat is bad news btw

Put that on the scumlist

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Sonic is confirmed lying. Bin's neighbourize took place in the day, it says it in the role PM. And you voted bins yesterday. You're lying, and caught scum.

this is so flawed/shitty it makes me wonder if it's scum trying to run the "so dumb it must be town" route

I think he really is just that dumb


Or no daytalk

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Oh I didn't actually click the spoiler

Lol

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though it still is town
i think

wanted to lynch lying cat too but sonic is ughhhhh

scum pls bus him now

If he's scum then he's been bussed hardcore the whole game.

Hey MS, what did you and Bins talk about in the PT? Like, Bins was strongly town reading us. Did she support you copping us?

-Flum

We talked about the plan. Cuz I got a weak cop + neighbor at the same time


BTW: bins neighboring me I read her as conftown immediately.


After we confirmed the plan, we talked about life

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VOTE: lying cat

Sthar go screw

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We talked about the plan. Cuz I got a weak cop + neighbor at the same time


BTW: bins neighboring me I read her as conftown immediately.


After we confirmed the plan, we talked about life

So Bins never went, "umm, don't waste your cop on someone who is obvtown to me?"
You guys didn't talk about the target at all?

-Flum

You're not obvtown to her rofl

She did suggest LC or mastin though.

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I will lynch you if you say that Marquis is godfather

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I am thinking LC/mastina/Hiplop/?

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Ika failed at his job

One job

Also punishable

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We talked about the plan. Cuz I got a weak cop + neighbor at the same time


BTW: bins neighboring me I read her as conftown immediately.


After we confirmed the plan, we talked about life

So Bins never went, "umm, don't waste your cop on someone who is obvtown to me?"
You guys didn't talk about the target at all?

-Flum

You're not obvtown to her rofl

She did suggest LC or mastin though.

The only reason she didn't neighborize us was because she thought we'd be nightkilled.
So why do you say, "she didn't think you were obv town rofl"

I'm biased

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oi

Shakira confirmed stupid

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stfu marquis

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you talking so much shit was the main reason I pushed to cop you


I thought you were pulling a doduo

I'm town ffs stahp

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VOTE: hiplop

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Back from emergency trip picking up friend from hospital. Seems like Sonic has things under control here.

Titus

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@1777, scum likely have a PR of their own to counteract this. For instance, we specifically got weak cop not hider. So godfather would not trigger us. Strongman kill would kill us (as it would bypass all blocking and getaway attempts).

I don't think Ika would lie about IRL. While not a trust tell he would be aware of just how bad that would puss me off that I would doubt he would risk it.

Hiplop needs to be flipped. I am thinking Mastina/Ank/Cerb/Hiplop atm.
~Titus

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Oh and for the record Bins did not give us the weak cop, so our weak cop can be substantiated.

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Jaquen, Everyone knew Bins was a PR of some sort. Plus lynching us is bad as we'll die soon enough anyway. If we encounter scum, we will die. No healing can happen.

~Titus

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We just get the commute each night, and check whoever.

~Titus

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A man isn't caring who have who what. A man IS pointing out a basic principal of mafia though- if someone is neighborized, and the one who did the neighborizing is meeting Death that same night, LYNCH THE FUCK OUT OF THE REMAINING NEIGHBOR BECAUSE SOMETHING LIKELY CAME UP IN THE NEIGHBOHOOD WHICH MADE THE CAUSED THE NEIGHBORIZOR TO MEET THEIR DEMISE.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Sonic

For Bins. Boom!

still unashamed about being wrong as fuck?

ashamed of being slippy as fuck

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read the setup 5 times over you fool

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stop being 'a man' and return to your normal playstyle if its making your IQ drop 20 points below your normal baseline

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A man isn't caring who have who what. A man IS pointing out a basic principal of mafia though- if someone is neighborized, and the one who did the neighborizing is meeting Death that same night, LYNCH THE FUCK OUT OF THE REMAINING NEIGHBOR BECAUSE SOMETHING LIKELY CAME UP IN THE NEIGHBOHOOD WHICH MADE THE CAUSED THE NEIGHBORIZOR TO MEET THEIR DEMISE.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Sonic

For Bins. Boom!

still unashamed about being wrong as fuck?

ashamed of being slippy as fuck

You should be^^^

And a man is having no shame for being wrong on ONE.

oh please.

the bins one was the only one up for contention.

im pretty sure you're wrong on zx and i'm definitely sure that you're wrong on me so thats 3/3 wrong

that's usually a scumtell for someone proclaimed as a "good scumhunter" dont'cha agree?

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maybe you should consider sheeping me

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and be my assistant

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We just get the commute each night, and check whoever.

~Titus

So now- neighbor, weak cop, AND commuter. Check.

Context, I was asking for the commuter, I doubt the weak cop giver would not go along with this. We did not CC the commuter claim. Seriously, knock it off Wayne.

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No. You're not. I am proposing a plan there. We get the commute and that's what happens.

You're being so stupid where I am almost down for policy lynching you.

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um, the only one flailing here is you


like

we sign by our punctuation.

if there's no caps, it's sonic. if there's proper punctuation, its titus

your failure to grasp this basic concept shows how stupid you're being, and i'm not sure if its feigned or not because you're scum.

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stop being 'a man' and return to your normal playstyle if its making your IQ drop 20 points below your normal baseline

like

you might as well replace out and replace in with waynegg and talk normally and properly

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or, you could shut the fuck up and sheep me and look less of an idiot

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thats right folks, excessive stupidity is a scumtell

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I am thinking LC/mastina/Hiplop/?

I'm with you on this one




P-edit: jaqen, there is no correlation between neighbor being killed and said person soft claiming a PR a day before, yeah?

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A man - bins is scum RAWRAWRAWR

Almost everyone else: no get Hiplop

A man - RAWRAWRAWR LYNCH BINS RAWR


Bins - flipped town

Yay

[Sonic Boom]

Please substantiate said mafia theory

Provide your reference

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Yeah

One of the main things we learned was that jaqen was full of shit

ok, ignoring you

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Yeah that idea is cool

Why can't the cop inventor claim, then a player will always use the commute on him

Then we just spam that. Cop inventor will keep his target secret. Someone cops a predetermined target every night. Cop inventor confirms that person was the one who received it tomorrow


Problem is that though we clear 1 town every night, scum also clear 1 person every night. So it's a trade thing.

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They only way the above plan is stopped is if the commuter inventor dies

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Hmm, that's a valid point.

That will also mean that there needs to be another town protective PR role then.

That will still make the plan work.

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But actually the main problem here is that we don't know what PRs the scum has to counter this plan.


Upon more thinking I don't suppose that we should make such plans so early in the game until we know what we are dealing with.


For the meantime, vote LC or Hiplop. Both bad cats.

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thats right folks, excessive stupidity is a scumtell

So.... You're scum?

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Commuter

Your idea is stupid, SB. Commuters can't do anything else. It's like a self JK.

The commute inventor gives it to their choice every night, unless cop inventor claims, in which case they target them.

As for the cop, my thought is this. We cop you tonight. We cop whoever cops you tonight tomorrow. Etc. If someone in the chain flips town, we've got a bunch of conftown. Person who cops #3 or 4 should be a strong townread of cop inventor.

And the massive flow of associative tells without flips is hilarious.

If Scum get copped can't they fakeclaim a result and break the chain?

That's the point of copping the previous cop everyday.

And the inventor is picking the next cop and cop target, so scum can't control that or plan around it.

Right.

The Weak Cop cops us. We'll announce who we would check in case the inventor goes off script. This forces scum to kill us, or get a new conftown every day. There's a chance of a godfather (weak cop might be subject to godfather not sure here but I don't think so).

If two people die tonight (which will not happen), the presumption would be that we are scum.
If one person dies tonight, then its most likely that the person checked (in this case us) was town or GF. If we're town, then SC can only be town or godfather. The only exception would be the cop being blocked or healed. Given no healer, we can rule this out. So the scum would have to argue that there was a lot of roleblocking going on to minimize the number of night kills or have the NKs dictated.

VOTE: hiplop

I suggest giving Jaquen the cop so he can stop being an idiot or we find out he's scum relatively quickly.

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I'm a little less rigid on that, but it is something we can clear up by asking the mod. A godfather comes back as "town" to cops and weak is just a modifier so if a "cop" role thinks that a godfather is "town" then not dying makes sense. This is an interpretation question as we could reach an alternative scenario where...

Cop checks GF doesn't die because of a) Mechanic or b) healing.

Mod: If a weak cop targets a hypothetical godfather, will that player die according to the weak role?

We can confirm we were not blocked.

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Let me put that a clearer way

Supposing no other night actions take place, what happens if a weak cop targets a Godfather?

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Right, well I can't cop myself. Us claiming who we'd check is if the inventor regifts us. That's all.

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And what I'm saying is that unless you're masons with the cop inventor, you're a terrible choice to invent to. Even then you're not great. You and shak are like the worst recipients for the invention

I agree, but I don't suppose all town are smart. Otherwise, my persuasion would USUALLY be better. Sometimes I'm just wrong though.

~Titus

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I'd be willing to vote vezok too.

cerb is probtown, although he should get an avatar and trust in our proficiency. I have never yet been wrong about setup spec, and while it is theoretically possible that anti designed elements of this setup to fuck with my preconceptions, I believe that he cares more about balance than about dicking with me.

-sthar8

Nothing that creates an NAR problem. I just finished a game that Anti took over and he doesn't know NAR. So it would be highly suspect if he included redirectors or some such.

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Spoiler: Cerb's First 10 posts in this game, not counting confirms

I think it would be valuable to town and useless to scum if we all claimed our compound/element. Is there a potential downside to doing so which I am missing?

That Antihero wouldn't be so reckless as to not give scum fakeclaims?

Not a downside. Neutral in that case, and if he didn't, helpful.

i'd also rather not chance there being a scumchemist who can somehow use the compounds to figure out roles or something iuno.

Downside. Seems very improbable, but sure.

How could such a scumchemist function? Balanced scum PR that would be aided by knowledge of town elements. Go!

not sure.
dont think its super worth going into.

there could also be some kind of pattern behind which compounds/elements are PRs and which are VTs.

let's not find out now kthnx.
join a wagon. theorycrafting is boring.

Bolding mine. MUCH stronger argument. Who should I vote for and why Gorkington?

Ike: I have not seen the first game. I suppose looking at the setup and mechanics there could be useful for this game.

Gorkington: So you say I should make a decision based on mastins meta, or the silly rvs of day 1? No thanks, it's a lot more informative to see exactly how fluffy and opportunistic other peoples cases are.

Seemed to be no town PRs in the previous game, just a mason pairing and inventors to hand out abilities. So mac being a smart ass is scummy now? Hmm.

So mac being a smart ass is scummy now? Hmm.

I cannot begin to count the many, many times that kind of response popped into my head as scum and I had to wean myself off of doing it, as opposed to the 1 or 2 times I've done it as town under a "fuck everything" attitude which shouldn't really be a part of the question right now.

But no, this isn't an "I'd only do it as scum so of course Mac is doing it as scum". It's simply just a response that's more scum-motivated than town-motivated.

VOTE: Shakira

Are you bussing?

What the fuck is this vote?

my hips told me too

and yeah, sure, page 4 i have decided to bus shakira

you got me

good job!

Initial response was offhand comment shaking it off, second response was a scum "just in case" damage control post that, while it tries to keep the tone light and sarcastic, its own existence shows scum instinctively taking vezok's post seriously to curb early suspicion out of necessity.

Is this where I claim Mason before we waste the next 20-50 pages blueballing my lynch?

No, because if it was, then I'd be calling you town before you claim, remain ignorant of your claim while I'm behind and continue to defend you against old attacks.

Is this where I discredit your townplay instead now?

So it's more likely Mac lacked your self restraint as scum, who should be watching every single thing they said, than that he(?) is town and speaking without concern for creating a "townie" persona?

I understand your reasons, I just think you're wrong and overthinking it. Attributing way more to the post than it warrants. Everyone hates being scumread for dumb reasons, only someone incompetent would press the issue for "damage control" because they, like you, can read the thread and see that sufficient damage control was done with the first dismissive post. The second "damage control" post is a terrible play for scum trying to hand wave the accusation away, and is more in line with town saying what's on their mind because they aren't worrying about trying to act like town.

We both see the same things, understand the same motivations, you just choose to believe Mac is bad at being scum, while I choose to believe he's town reacting honestly. Which is more likely?

TL;DR: the reasons scum has for making that post are so incredibly obvious that only obvtown or terrible scum would have made it.

With all that said...why such a terrible and flimsy case on what is basically just OMGUS?

It's barely an "obvious scum post" considering pretty much everyone else skipped over it or didn't bother to read into it just like we usually do for most seemingly-innocuous posts and exchanges.

Also, OMGUS doesn't exist unless you're exceptionally new to the game. If there's anything that's so

obviously

scum motivated that it's actually town, right now it'd most likely be you trying to shut down a Mac wagon using that buzzword and subpar "it could go either way but my way is the right one" WIFOM dismissals.

Well, yes, of course it doesn't exist because usually town has more reason than just that, or at least they try to rationalize it as more than just that, but that doesn't change the fact that the term simply means a vote made on someone who has voted for you. A vote which is typically ignored, as a result. Adding your case on top of it serves to draw attention to a standard, innocuous part of RVS, and I'm just wondering why.

i'm also curious why, when I basically just repeated what someone else had said the page before about OMGUS, you chose to respond to me, and not them. It's all very interesting.

Hmm. I suppose you are right about it being barely an obvious scum post, in that it's only an obvious play if you actually take another look at it...but all it takes is a moment of looking at it to see it, so, I'm going to maintain that it's definitely far from subtle or good.

Train on Shakira: Why? Any of you, why? It's currently at the point where its momentum practically guarantees that slots lynch if you all leave your votes there for any notable amount of time, so...why?

There's a certain tonal shift. In We Didn't PlayTest this, Cerb's open inquistive about more than the setup. IN this game, it's hard to get him to focus on reads, he's abstract all the fucking time. I'm not seeing the same inquistiveness, the same Cerb from We Didn't PlayTest this and it worries me a lot.

There's a time for spec and then there's a time for actually hunting.

You got reads for us yet Cerb?

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Spoiler: Cerebus in We Didn't Playtest This - First Ten Posts

Hi. So, Never-melt-ice and Soren are both supportive of, to varying degrees, D1 claiming, full in the case of Soren and partial in the case of Never.

Never: How does sharing information involving some sort of pairing between players help town *more* than it helps scum? Beyond the obvious argument that scum already has knowledge of those pairings they are part of, so you're removing the advantage they gain from that bit of information.

Hypothetically, would it ever be the case that scum would be paired with scum? Likely? Unlikely?

Soren: D1 full claims? Because you want us to all lie so your lies don't stand out?

Vote: Soren

This is made with absolutely no knowledge of how any of you play, other than Drixx. Maybe Soren always pushes for D1 claims. I wouldn't know.

@Cerberus
What do you think of Drixx?

I think he's a gentleman and a scholar, and less wall of texty than he has been in the past. If you're asking for a read on him, I don't really have one yet. I wouldn't mind an early lynch on him though, just so if he is scum and they win, he can't claim to have had any part in their success. ^^ Gotta keep his ego in check.

you're a day cop who is in a neighborhood, or you're a day cop who can only check neighbors?

The second one. I only get a result if my target is a neighbor.

I have to submit the action during the day, then I get a result at night. I wouldn't normally ask for claims so early, but the mod won't tell me if my target is a neighbor or not when I submit. So I would rather know all my options now, instead of guessing blindly and then if wrong have to wait for the next day before I can even try again.

That is a reason to request said information that could benefit town. My issue is you asked for neighbors to name their partners. Why would they do that? From how you described your role, it should make no difference to you how the pairings go, but only the fact that someone is part of a pair. Wanting to know the exact pairings is scummy.

When do you get the result from your investigation?

@Ice
Fair enough, I have nothing against doing it the way Cerberus proposed and you amended, I don't have a neighbourhood.

Does the night phase need to start in order for you to get the result, i.e. would you benefit from BBmolla's claimed ability to skip a night phase?

I didn't propose anything. Words in my mouth...hmm. Innocent mistake or subtle manipulation? Good question about the interaction of the claimed abilities.

I think we should claim whether we have neighbours or not. The benifit to the town outweighs the potential drawbacks (that is, if Ice isn't lying)

Ice could also have any sort of scum power and have it be dependent upon the target being in a neighborhood, but that might be a long shot. Scum, if present in neighborhoods, would know the other members of their neighborhood aren't scum(barring multiple mafia factions). The only scum power I could see requiring the information Ice has asked for would be some kind of one shot that targets all members of a neighborhood in a negative way, so something you wouldn't want to target on a neighborhood containing members of your faction.

I feel allowing scum the opportunity to dismantle communications outside the thread is bad.

The only scum power I could see requiring the information Ice has asked for would be some kind of one shot that targets all members of a neighborhood in a negative way, so something you wouldn't want to target on a neighborhood containing members of your faction.

Which would have my name written all over it, and lead to my lynch. So, no.

Indeed. That doesn't mean such a thing doesn't exist, only that you'd be a fool to use it before MYLO.

Hmm. I fail to see how om's case has any value, at least, any value vs a purely random lynch. I find om's posts to be incoherent however, so perhaps I'm just missing their merit. Also, and this is just a general question going out to anyone who chooses to respond, do you think, if scum saw momentum forming on a train for one of their partners, they would prefer to pile on said train, or to take advantage of the other votes lying around and split the momentum to other options?

Hmm. Soren doesn't care that I'm voting for him, which is perfectly reasonable, but ignoring the reason why I'm voting for him isn't. He hasn't pushed the D1 claim thing at all though, but I'll just leave the vote there for the time being.

I'm having a really hard time separating my distaste for the personality of tptg and his posting style, both in character and out, from my reads on him.

TPTG: Mason, you say? two different 13 person games. Would a 3 person mason team be reasonable in a 13 player game? My first thought when I read that was well, now tptg and their partner should confirm each other, since scum can just kill tptg now and break up the masons, because I didn't think a mason group larger than 2 seemed likely...but maybe it is, and so his mason claim at what, 2 votes, isn't as terrible as it seems to be.

now you can continue to fricking complain i dont even care anymore
bottom line is we want your reads
we do not care how much information you have on them
i know i am completely capable of asking for elaboration where i see fit
so just post your hecking reads and actually play the game

Who are you speaking for here Om? We want your reads? There are people who have voted for drixx, sure, but there are also people who said they accept drixx's defense. Do you have scum reads beyond this drixx 'case'? I don't know, your actions just feel fairly opportunistic, in that, again, there are 100% lurkers(such as myself to a certain extent I think) who have contributed even less to the game than drixx has. Is that scummier than answering questions?

Bad form and all to address someone attacking someone else, but it isn't sitting well with me. I've had more experience playing with Drixx than all of you, I assume...theory posts are pretty standard for him, regardless of alignment. Perhaps my extended knowledge of his play makes me less suspicious of this than I would be if it were someone else.

now you can continue to fricking complain i dont even care anymore
bottom line is we want your reads
we do not care how much information you have on them
i know i am completely capable of asking for elaboration where i see fit
so just post your hecking reads and actually play the game

Who are you speaking for here Om? We want your reads? There are people who have voted for drixx, sure, but there are also people who said they accept drixx's defense. Do you have scum reads beyond this drixx 'case'? I don't know, your actions just feel fairly opportunistic, in that, again, there are 100% lurkers(such as myself to a certain extent I think) who have contributed even less to the game than drixx has. Is that scummier than answering questions?

Bad form and all to address someone attacking someone else, but it isn't sitting well with me. I've had more experience playing with Drixx than all of you, I assume...theory posts are pretty standard for him, regardless of alignment. Perhaps my extended knowledge of his play makes me less suspicious of this than I would be if it were someone else.

idk if you have actually been reading but even like a couple posts above this one another plyer (molla) asked for Drixx's reads, and TPTG has also asked for his reads, i am srsly not the only one.
i dont care about his defense, that is the lowest priority i had in making the case
also you are making blanket statements without naming any names, tell me, who should i be attacking if not drixx?

my scumreads are a mix of ppl like vonflare and pika and im still weird about soren and im also a bit weird about copper too
i actually need to go through the playerlist again anyway bc im having a hard time remembering who isnt actually here regularly

now also i have never played with drixx before either so if u have thats cool and all but pls do not try and turn this on me because you think drixx is being his stock standard self
unless you can tell me what else i should have done calling me opportunistic when i found something i didnt like and pushed it is like calling anyone scum for making a case. you also gotta remember that lurkers are lurkers because they straight up arent posting, whereas drixx is posting therefore there is more to go off. unless you want to divert all your attention to making the lurkers post, then good luck lol

Please don't presume to attempt dictate what I should and shouldn't do. In the very post you quoted, I pointed out that I've been, as you would say, worthless, and asked if my lack of content was more or less meaningful than drixx's theory talk. And, scum reads? I'm just not fond of people who call for mass claims D1, but beyond that I'm ignorant.

need to ISO vonflare, because I'm like 90% skimming this and need to understand what happened there.

Om: Heavy lean town, but could possibly be inspired and bold scum.
ChiVri: Town, I like the death attack.
Drixx: Kinda weirded out by the speed with which his developing train disappeared. Nothing he's done makes me suspicious, but the speed with which it was abandoned once he said something is...worth noting.
Copper: Oh hey, you share reads on everyone. That's nice. Townish

Scum: lurkers.(meaningless)

Disclaimer: Any post TPTG makes that is in character, I barely even skim. Reading it makes my eyes glaze. If I miss something as a result, sorry.

Do you think ActionDan is scum with him for supporting his claim like he did then? Did Drixx get lucky fakeclaiming that particular role?

or are we not interpreting correctly what the mods told us about the two minis being mashed together without adaptation so he could still be mafia with that role and there actually are cross connected roles

? Some other explaination?

I like your idea about the massclaim further along the road in case there is a breaking strat.

Bolding is mine. There is 100% adaptation. My role is proof of said adaptation. The description of the game did not say they mashed them together without adaptation, just that they mashed them together.

Forgot the other game posts.

~Titus

[Sonic Boom]

Keep reading. Anti said I was right when given the basic prompt for NAR.

[Sonic Boom]

My wagon grew to l-1 in like two hours. No way that was all town. I didn't do anything huge, was just a giant hodgepodge of crappy bandwagoning

I've noticed that I can't even remember a single thing kari has posted?

Please please please vote this other wagon, I am afraid people will notice Mastina still vote parking me for shitty reasons and ignoring the game breaking strategy.

[Sonic Boom]

^^That's what I read when I saw hiplop post.

~Titus

[Sonic Boom]

i havent done shit because my mom was in the hospital.

hiplop would have been hammered yesterday had my net not crapped out just before deadline, piece of shit.

also i feel intimidated in large games but yeah, i need to post more

Sorry about that Kari. My friend was admitted a few days ago, and it's hard. My post count dropped due to that.

[Sonic Boom]

Keep reading. Anti said I was right when given the basic prompt for NAR.

yet anti also stated that he does not use NAR. so using an NAR argument in an anti game is moot point

Right so roles that trigger NAR are less likely to be included.

[Sonic Boom]

Hiplop claimed vt.

[Sonic Boom]

Lynch hiplop. Lynch Jaquen. Lynch Mastina. Lynch Cerb. That should end the game or be damn close.

[Sonic Boom]

Except for Hiplop I am flexible on the order.

[Sonic Boom]

Jingle, stop getting distracted by Mastina.

Flubber's town. I don't see any reason to scumread him or why any town would. In fact, I disagree with all Mastina's reads.

[Sonic Boom]

vezok/lying cat/ sonic scumteam

Sure thing!

So lynch the Sonic first.

Also, I thought of a strategy we could use to help with results:

Before night, everyone posts this:
"If I were to receive the weak cop, my target would be X", where X is a player that they decide on (if two players die, then we have a 50/50 shot at getting scum);
After each night, they post, "If I was the recipient of the weak cop, my target would have been Y" (Y may or may not be the same as X).

Does anyone see a flaw in that idea?

Roleblocker anyone?

Scum see that town want to target scum. Block the scum. Magic presto confirmed scum as town.

[Sonic Boom]

How do you reconcile the implication that this wagon is on town with the fact that it could have easily and reasonable been pushed into a lynch, yet wasn't? All 4 scum were already on the wagon? 3 and the one left didn't want to associate? 2? 1?

Because Sabotage Mafia called; it wants its D1 back. Same situation here. Or if you'd prefer, Signs and Void's D1's second half (CDB and Esp). Titus if she were town would have realized this already.

I'm getting close to caught up, but when I'm caught up, I still have work to do.

I want hiplop dead. It would solve so many interactions.

This argument will never, EVER hold weight unless the person making it backs it up with hard, HARD links on a large number of players for

both

alignments.

For instance, how a hiplop townflip means Sonic's scum thanks to their wagon falling apart when the wagons on Bins and hiplop did not.

Signs and Void isn't this game. Don't act like it is. We have obvious scum in Hiplop that wasn't lynched due to scum apathy. In Signs and Void, we had a no lynch because the conftown kept dicking around. There was nothing stopping or playing with lynches other than you refusing to bus Hiplop.

You love painting every scenario as leading to me scum. Town Mastina investigates, you haven't investigated at all?

So let me ask you, what do you think of the scenario

when

I flip town?

[Sonic Boom]

Sounds 'bout right to me. Small question, though. If an inventor gets the weak cop invention and fears their target is scum, do they deviate from the chain or risk their life?

Busted logic but highlights a possible flaw in my plan.

Why, the weak cop cannot gift themselves, so that's not a problem. Not ideal, but the idea is to generate conftowns/ That works.

[Sonic Boom]

Scum see that town want to target scum. Block the scum. Magic presto confirmed scum as town.

Weak cop != hider. If the cop gets no result back, then we've got good reason to scumread the person the no result is on.

You should know this, given that, y'know. YOU HAD THE POWER LAST NIGHT.

(Did I mention Sonic Boom is scum?)

Right. I am aware of that. But claiming no result is

exactly

what scum would do in your plan. So if a townie gets blocked, then it's scumreads for NO REASON on your plan.

No one should know WHO is getting the cop. We should all know who is being checked.

[Sonic Boom]

No one should know WHO is getting the cop. We should all know who is being checked.

And nobody would.

My plan wasn't, "If I were the cop inventor, I'd give my invention to X."
My plan is, "If I were to receive the cop invention, I'd target X."

Assuming everyone did so before going into night, then if two people died, we have the proof we need of one scum. (Or a reasonably good guess at least.)

So your plan just narrows down the cop inventor every time someone claims they got a cop inventor.

Don't think so.

[Sonic Boom]

i did not read anything that mastin said

titus is handling everything well

why is it so hard to lynch hiplop? cuz he is a super scum PR


(((if he was a real town and useless VT the scum would have helped us push the lynch over already!)))

[Sonic Boom]

So your plan just narrows down the cop inventor every time someone claims they got a cop inventor.
Don't think so.

Says the person who, by claiming they got the cop invention, narrowed down the list of people who could be the cop inventor.

My plan isn't to go, "Hey, I got the cop invention, and I targeted X" either.
My plan is, BEFORE THE NIGHT HAS BEGUN, "Hey, if I were to receive the cop invention, I'd target X."
They die, then we've got a guilty.
They live, sure, them claiming will narrow down who the cop inventor is, but every. plan. suggested. today. is doing nothing different. If anything, my plan is helping to OBSCURE who the cop inventor is.

Bullshit claiming the cop inventor immediately is good play. Checking whoever had it last forces scum to shoot a particular player or PR hunt. As long as the cop giver doesn't guess the commuter, we can always have someone out of the cleared list commute.

Tonight, that would force scum to kill us or PR hunt.

Mastina, you use a lot of words to try and justify your vote park but the "wagon" on us has been fueled by voteparking. You're pretending or deluding yourself that a vote in RVS somehow makes us a wagon that is viable.

You have completely managed to dodge my question about what you would think if we were town. You are trying to chainsaw the Hiplop wagon.

Find his posts, why is Hiplop town?

[Sonic Boom]

Sonic is tonight's investigation target.

Why the FUCK are people trying to lynch tonight's investigation

Why do you think? Hiplop has to be really valuable for scum to vote park me for days.

[Sonic Boom]

Ehh, still hesitant of Sonic scum. I've mainly agreed with all of their reads so far up until their derpy (scummy) as heck scan on us. Like I don't think I'll ever be able to get over that.
@Titus, what was your point of view on that scan. I only ever really hard Sonic's.

OK, brain check here, Hiplop should be today's lynch. Not checking them. I thought you were scum, Sonic thought you were town. Bins liked the check as well.

Seriously what the fuck is your issue? You ought to know Hiplop is the right play. Marquis should especially.

[Sonic Boom]

ok I just double checked the hood pt.

Bins was townreading you, yes. but we pushed to cop you


PLUS, she wanted you to be "conftown" so that we could have a "party" in the hood

[Sonic Boom]

not "conftown"

"inno"

[Sonic Boom]

the plan was, if you were inno, we neighborize you and we're a masonry

if you were scum, bins would report


we did not account for bins dying. especially when she was mislynch baited by jaqen and LC

[Sonic Boom]

Yeah duh you're a scummy fuck

Titus was mistaken w.r.t. my read on SC

[Sonic Boom]

Sonic, we should paraphrase the hood when I can focus on just this or you can do it.

[Sonic Boom]

You say that "scum are incentivized into suboptimal night kills", but that's where I disagree. I think scum would search for the inventor that gives the weak cop role rather than try to knock off the recipient - the best way to prevent future investigations is to kill the provider (and there is evidence as to their identity, it wouldn't be a crapshoot).

You know what would be really cool? If scum did this. It's no different from normal kill procedure, and if they're wrong we CONFIRM A BUNCH OF PLAYERS.

Right. This is why we should be copped tonight.

Jingle Mastina's plan does out the inventor if the recipient lands on scum. It also prevents conftown chaining. We get a fifty fifty shot to find scum, scum knows the inventor town read the person who copped them.

Jingle's plan forces scum to kill their mislynch candidate, us.

As for the hood paraphrase I will get to that asap. I just am tired cranky and frustrated at the moment. I am in the mood to just throttle anyone who disagrees with me and that is not the best state.

~Titus

[Sonic Boom]

hiplop almost certainly being town,

Hey! Mastin!

SMITE Mafia. Shut the

FUCK

up.


~Sonic

[Sonic Boom]

fucking anti!



...literally

[Sonic Boom]

you all aint gonna like this

my mom's blood pressure hit a bad low so she's going to the ER and im gonna

go v/la until monday

so i can deal with this.

That's fine by me. If the mod allows, maybe you can get a hydra partner to fill your slot during this time. I am dealing with something similar. Mafia is my escape so I would be v/laing if it was not.

Please bold any immediate questions to me. Otherwise deferring to Sonic.

~Titus

[Sonic Boom]

And wicked- you may as well come completely clean and let everyone know plainly you're the Cop Inventor. The crumbing is evident enough for some to pick up on and if one who doesn't is the commute inventor you're pretty screwed.

VOTE: Jaquen Hghar

Skimming because my hearing got delayed. This post is very fucking bad. I would be tempted to lie but that wouldn't do any good.

@Wicked, Unless you have incontrovertible evidence ika was lying, don't ever accuse anyone of lying about access. It is very unethical and I am not evaluating that. I have had access issues and I am posting when I steal a moment. I would hate to have to go into my own issues and ika deserves the same deference regardless of his alignment.

~Titus

[Sonic Boom]

@Wickedjester, fair enough. I think you handled that well. I'm going to revote Hiplop and come back in a bit and discuss your ika case with Sonic.

ika frankly tanks all his town games and says he's doing "Slayer's" in almost all of them so I'm not sure if your case is right, but I see where you're coming from. That's why I've been on his ass to produce content.

~Titus

[Sonic Boom]

VOTE: hiplop

[Sonic Boom]

Hey! Mastin! SMITE Mafia.

Oh, you mean the game where the entirety of the third page of my iso is calling town town and calling 2/3 of the scum scum? Where I had vast reservations about the serial killer? Where I developed a groundbreaking plan which was one night short of outing the third scum? (Because if I had lived with my Esp guilty and Drixx didn't shoot, bam, I out everything and powerlynch him.)

That SMITE mafia?

Yeah, you're not gonna be able to use that game to shame me.

I told you then, I'll say it again. I'll accept the shortcomings there. (That being, I defended Drixx longer than I should have for the sake of the plan, mainly. And that I didn't push my scumreads harder and defend my townreads on TSO, Heartless, and such more.) I will not let you walk over me.

well vezok stopped the argument before it began, so

in short, STFU. thanks in advance!

[Sonic Boom]

Oh our post count will be less because sonic is busy and I've just had shit happen.

Oh but I'm drunk now so no filter.

~ObvTitus

[Sonic Boom]

its not me who has issues. it's you.

[Sonic Boom]

wow i just read the last page and this page and i am aboslutely baffled how MS thinks notihing is his fault right now, like thats so far wrong its not even funny

shes still salty about ori! even though she replaced AFTER I died! i have 0 idea what her problem is, and I am getting a bit upset/annoyed. my patience has a lid too especially for this oog nonsense

[Sonic Boom]

*sigh* yes I am assuming again.

she already posted about how she hates me blahhblahblah earlier on this game I think, you can ISO her and I think its there here somewhere.

I hope you can talk to her about it because this is just really weird. I have been nice to her every single time and I have never been mean to her and somehow magically she blacklists me so if its not ori then i dont know what it is.

[Sonic Boom]

That logical inconsistency makes me think Sonic may be right. I don't see scum forgetting which head they buddied.

No, dummy, I just don't want to deal with a shrieking whining wall of Metal Sonic ate and misrep. If you guys flip town I will probably just not ever join a game with him in again because I can't be fucked with it. I still don't think you will flip town, however.

If you guys flip town I will probably just not ever join a game with him in again because I can't be fucked with it.

wat.

why would you say this? we were the best of buddies in pokemon!

Yes, well, when I was scum with you I could just zone you out. I have no issue with you as a fellow planet dweller. I just don't enjoy interacting with you in mafia.

i have only played 2 games with tere.

1 game we were happy scumbuddies and we got a perfect win. 2nd game we were, not so happy.

ika can you plz investigate

[Sonic Boom]

1613: No, dummy, I just don't want to deal with a shrieking whining wall of Metal Sonic ate and misrep

2167:Yes, well, when I was scum with you I could just zone you out.

context is important

i have a doc appointment to go to but if you read these it should make sense why she is so annoyed

ill have something more to give later but this is going off topic, i can make and OGCish post abot this later

she replaced out in another game too. then she immediately did in this.

i think we should stop talking about this. PM me.

fookme

that will be the last post on this matter.

[Sonic Boom]

@SC, I am not sure what you think is a contradiction but I am not surprised. Sonic and I don't perceive things the same way, especially now when high strung. I am much more open to being wrong given the state I am in.

@Wicked, This situation came up in another game. Ika was not around, did not hammer and was scum. It was not deadline though. He made a similar argument pre and post game that it was taking advantage of his circumstances. I disagreed then and still do, yet if he feels that way, I get why he was upset.
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