'The Lost Boys' Mafia (Cry Little Sister, it's OVER!)
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/confirmShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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vote Sudo_nym
Die scum Die!Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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no reaction to my vicious assault on your character?Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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damn you all
someone take me seriously
*pouts*Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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Oh maryi!
how i've missed you!
and your daggers of hate!Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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unvotevote Anixfor reasons, he thinks he knows why, but he really doesn't.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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unvote
vote Sir.Laggalot
Getting along like good little children is TREASONShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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vote Sudo
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Yosarian! are you a traitor?Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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vote Arafax
am i the only person who doesn't understand what he's talking about in his defense post earlier?Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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why not??Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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um.
when he asks Yosarian "why" he can be asking for many reasons
some of them are
1)He thinks fonz is town,
2)He thinks Yosarian is scum and wants to get his opinion down to attack it
3)He has no idea about what Yosarian is talking about and wants elaboration
When I ask him "why not?" I am asking him why he is questioning Yosarian's vote.
I generally don't like it when people defend passively like MoS did for Fonz because generally passive defense such as what he displays is a twofold move to gain the trust of the defended townie while also trying to look like he is paying attention.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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uh why are you voting arafax then?Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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Blood traitor!Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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Fonzie
Question:
Do you believe the Vampires have safeclaims?Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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PookyTheMagicalBear Pooky got your back
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You're from Texas? >.>Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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Limited access currently.
I'm a little behind right now.
I've however C/Ped the entire thread into word and will reread it at my first opp. and post something more significant.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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PookyTheMagicalBear Pooky got your back
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Sorry for my lack of posting.
internet in canada is more lacking than I expected.
vote Ectomancer
because I don't like his speculation on how the scum work, it reeks of TMIShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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PookyTheMagicalBear Pooky got your back
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so my vote doesn't deserve either an FOS or a vote because?
are you fishing for an attack on me?Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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I actually like Ecto's last post, BM's lack of choosing a target shows marked indifference in the lynchee today, a sign of a scumbag not caring which innocent goes down the drain.
unvote vote BMShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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I never said I was absolutely certain that Amb, Mari, and Tin were all town. What I said was that your choice to say that we should merge wagons without putting forth a target implies that you don't actually care where the merged wagon lands, which seems to indicate to me that you are scum because I believe indifference to where the wagon hits is usually a scumtell exhibited when both targets are innocents since scum don't care which innocent gets lynched.
My opinion is that if you were protown, you would not be indifferent between the targets and have an opinion that one is more likely to be scum than the other as that is essentially what a townie is responsible for. Since you've shown an indifference that I believe is uncharacteristic of a townie, I believe you are scum.
Trying to put words in my mouth to make me sound ridiculous is a fairly silly defensive move, try addressing what I actually write instead.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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I am so confused
Dyb has one vote on him
why is he panicking?Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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so do we put a squelch order on him and move on?Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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@TCS, do you think GoW is town?Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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Arafax, do you understand what a "safeclaim" is?Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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that was your long post cicero?Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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you wanna play a game?Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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I will contribute before this day ends btw.
I'm just having a major case of writer's block that's kind of more of a reader's block.
I promise I will make a siginifcant post soonish.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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Ok, first off I'd like to apologize for my continued absence in this thread.
It's a mix of reader's block and strategic block.
I'll explain what I mean by strategic block, it's one of those modes I get into when I start thinking about a game strategically far too much and end up chasing my own tail in my head and when that happens I sometimes find reasons strategically for lurking that somewhat paralyze my actions, also there is a somewhat ethical concern also and I've finally resolved it.
I was fairly sure on Day 1 that we were dealing with a cult.(And a cult only)
Why? Because a player came out and claimed to be a vampire in the movie but a townie in the game, he was promptly backed up by another player.
Now if you look at the theme of the game and just look at the movie involved, think for a second who could possibly be scum if we had vampires being actually protown.
The character list is simply too shallow for any other group of players to be a Mafia Team other than the vampires. In a game of this size, you'd need at least 3-4 scum in a group for them to have any kind of chance.
Because the character list is so shallow that there is no real possibility for a bad guy group other than the vampires, and because I think it'd be frankly absolutely insane for a vampire scum to claim to be a vampire and protown considering that he'd look like a certain lynch if a scum vampire showed up dead and we're bound to hit at least one vampire eventually before LOL.
The nokill on night one only reconfirmed my suspicions.
Think for a second, who could possibly compose the scum team if the Vampires are not a scum team?
The answer is right there in front of you:No One Could be a Mafia Team
Which leads me to the conclusion that we are hunting a cult leader(as opposed to a really powerful SK because 1 against 17 isn't really fair and the theme rather lends itself to cults)
What we need to do is to stop this directionless movement and quickly regiment ourselves to move quickly because time moves against us in a game against a cult much faster than in a game against a Mafia by simple mathematics.
What I propose is that we order our vig(should we have one, I suspect we do since it would balance against the Cult's growth power) to fire every night on our orders.
So basically what I would like to have each day are not just one suspect being lynched, but a suspect being lynched combined with a designated vigilante target to give the suspect/vig target ample time to claim some kind of important power role.
Also a cult plays much differently than a mafia group in the sense that a cult does not look for mislynches so much as it moves to protect one person, the cult leader. Very rarely will cult members distance from the Leader because it is simply too risky. As such I'd imagine the Cult Leader's play would be conservative, careful to move with the tide/staying out of the spotlight.
I also would believe that those who came under the heaviest fire are the least likely to be recruited on night 1. Cult Leaders don't want to recruit people who are likely to be killed tommorrow, they want people who are able to stay alive.
Basically I think what we need to focus on and quickly eliminate is the section of the town that is the blandest/relaxed. If we make it so that the cult can only recruit from active players who are into the game and constantly contributing, we will have an advantage because 1) if some1 gets recruited who is active and contributing, it is much easier to spot a difference in play between him and another player if his alignment flips. 2) An active player can't just shut up when he gets flipped, he must stay active because he'd be easy as hell to spot otherwise.
I would like to hear if you agree with my tactical/strategic views on the game before unveiling my picks for who I believe are the best plays for today/tonight for us.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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-By trust me, do you mean trust that I am innocent or trust my plans as I have unveiled them?
I believe firmly that you should trust my suggestions because if you look at it objectively, it makes a lot of sense. If you were to disagree with my plan, you would have to come up with a likely group of mafia which I think would be quite difficult given the theme and the claims so far. I believe that it's imperative that we move quickly and decisively against a cult that I believe is definitely there because there are so few alternatives.
The Strategy I've outlined and the reasons for each of my assumptions and why I believe they are true can be judged on their own merits.
My strategy makes sense, that's why you should trust it.
As for why you would believe me to be innocent, well it's fairly obvious in my opinion, if I were a cult member, it'd be fairly stupid for me to actually roll out this strategy. It'd be much easier for me to simply roll onto the easy bandwagons and play exactly the way I outlined, simply post enough to not be considered a lurker, contribute opinions that can't be held against any objective light and float through the game untouched. It certainly would've been smarter than pulling out a giant "look at me" sign like I've done and outline a strategy that is in my humble opinion, obviously better than this mindles footdragging that is currently going on.
When I said passive, I meant the type of player would is willing to not really develop any real case and willing to stay in the game by simply posting very little content while pretending to be still in the game, basically just jumping from 1 bandwagon to another without actuallycaringabout who gets lynched as long as it is not him or his cult master.
Why do you think I proposed the plan?
Either
A) I am scum and I proposed it to get into the town's good graces.
B) I am town and I proposed it because it gives the town the best chance of winning this game and I am currently a member of the town.
Now consider Scenario A, what is the point of winning brownie points in a game that has a cult? I'll give you a hint, none whatsever, even if Town Pooky were to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he was town today, it would be worthless tommorrow because Pooky could be recruited tommorrow.
Scum Pooky has no incentive to try to get into the town's good graces because "good graces" are only "good" for exactly one day and one day is pretty much worthless this early in the game.
So if I were scum, I'd be trading longterm strategic advantage for the scum for a 1 day reprieve(which I don't even need considering the size of the bandwagon on me and the fact that I could've gotten by simply by posting once in a while and shifting on contentless bandwagons).
- I believe the could be limitations, it really depends on the game balance, I would believe that enough players could be recruitable that lynching the nameclaimed vampires would be a bad strategy. We really can't win against a cult by denying them potential recruits in a large game because balancewise, it would be unlikely that we could win that way.
-I doubt that a lucky lynch on day one would've ended the game, it's probable that the cult has some kind of mechanism to avoid a day 1 loss, I'd imagine some kind of power involving a sudden ending of the day by eclipse or sudden nightfall or something would be involved.
-I would like to see the reactions to my "plan" for hitting the cult quickly first before I reveal who I believe are the most likely culprits.
The thing about hitting a cult is that it starts out small, so it's far harder to hit, that and the fact that the Cult Leader will likely be recruiting away from the lightning magnets, does skew the metagame a bit.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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Tinvision is the better choice out of the 2 players, Dybeck might play a little shoddy sometimes but I certainly expect a cult leader to run alot more less abrasive.
Dasq/Ecto's reactions are interesting for this stage of the game.
I don't think either are cult, I think a cultie would not be able to reinsert himself as smoothly into the convo after a callout.
I think our best bet is to lynch/vig among:
Tinvision, HackerHuck, Crub and Yosarian2.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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Considering that we have information that says the cult can recruit our power roles, I don't think massclaiming at this point would be wise.
If they hit our vig, we could easily be done.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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Did we have our trackers give us tracking results?
Think Cicero, I wouldn't do what I did yesterday if I was in the cult, you can cry WIFOM all you want but the fact remains that I wasn't recruited last night, Mari was, and I have no reason to go after the cult if I was in it.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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And I don't like the way you've decided to narrow the list down to the unclaimed players, it has a feeling of you trying to turn the attention away from a wide swath of players in order to secure them
the idea that we have a cult that doesn't have safeclaims is ridiculous, especially considering that they probably will find out the likely setup of this game through recruitment.
Here's the thing, everybody can be recruited, nobody can be trusted, when you start going after a certain group of people for not claiming, you risk a cult running out of control if they take control of the segment of the town that you seem to have cleared of being the cult recruiter.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
-MariaR
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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PookyTheMagicalBear Pooky got your back
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Look Cicero, just stop a second and look at that list of roles we've had claimed.
What do you notice is missing?
That's what I don't want being flushed out, especially when we have these power roles in the game.
Why do you think we have co-vigs instead of a single vig?
Stop, no don't tell me, keep it to yourself. Be smart here.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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can you 2 watch each other at night?Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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actually don't tell me.
just roll a d2 each of you, so that the cult recruiter has to think twice before attempting to recruit either of you.
have some positive percentage chance that one of you is going to watch the other.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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What do you expect to get out of pressuring me?Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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I think my posts have been some of the most intelligent in this game so far.
I think I've thought about this game to a certain depth that most of you have yet to think to.
So yes, when I say something like what do you want me to say, I mean what do you want me to post?
Do you want to know who I think are scum?
Do you want to know who I think have been recruited?
I've posted what I think we should do,
I've gone over the strategy I think we should follow,
I've even gone ahead and said who I think the cult leader should be.
What more do you want me to do?
Check in and say that I'm reading up? Make up an attack on someone when I think the current movement is going in a good direction?
Look, we are dealing with a game that has not had a single nightkill,
it started in day, we've had testimony to the existence of a cult, and the cult doesn't even recruit in the traditional sense.
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I'd be a terrible recruit, I have a history of being nightkilled/investigated. There was this one game where I got killed by a group of mafia and 2 cops on night one.
Yea that was funShow"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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You've clearly at this point forced my hand because I don't want my silence to continue to be the principle point of discussion. I've been lynched in several games recently as protown for actually pushing who I wanted as scum and I've regretted not pushing harder so I don't really feel like being inertia lynched after a while so I will take you through the rest of my thought process and why I didn't want to reveal.
The difference between hunting Mafia and hunting a cult is not just about the smaller group you have to hunt in the beginning but in looking at thetactics and strategybeing employed by the cult.
Now in a game of Mafia, if Player A is constantly attacking Player B who happens to be Mafia, player B can arrange to have player A shot in the night in order to protect him, sometimes towns will not follow up on Player A's attacks after his death because they just don't remember OR because of the popular idea here that everything is WIFOM so you can't look at Player A's posts as a reason why he was killed since the mafia could be killing to frame player B yada yada. In fact in KingMaker II, we killed Thok at night because he had been HEAVILY attacking 4 out of the six scum or something like that, basically he was VERY on target and we were scared that his continued pressure would lead to some scum lynches, so we took care of him at night and NOBODY FOLLOWED UP ON THOK'S ATTACKS AT ALL! the scum ended up cruising to victory when they would've very easily been handidly smashed if the town had simply looked at who Thok was accusing of being mafia and acting on it. This is the reason I think WIFOM is way too overly applied on this site.
But now look at this game, what happens when the Cult wants to stop a player who is dangerously on track? Who is going hard on the cult leader? Protecting the Cult Leader is the Cult's number one priority, everything else falls short, what would happen is that those players who are on target would be recruited into the fold, and quickly would have their objectives changed to protect the Cult Leader. The same way as a Mafia protects its members by killing those on the right track, a cult recruits those on the right track, except its harder to see because we don't find a dead body in the morning pointing us in the right direction, that person instead is still alive.
So my plan was to wait for the days to go on and look at who is having a unexplained change of heart in their suspicions overnight, needless to say a wrench was thrown in this when mari said she didn't know who the cult leader was but I'd imagine a single cult in the game has to have some way of recruiting members who can know the identity of the leader and be obligated to protect him(possibly vanilla townie are instantly turned without choice? i dunno what the triggers would be) So basically what I was hoping for would be to look for people who are having unexplained changes of heart, if enough of them happen to have been going after Player A before changing their minds, I have a top suspect for Vampire Lord and I have a substantial section of his network exposed.
The reason that I didn't want to tell you all this was because I didn't really want the vampires to read this and change their behaviour accordingly.
I have 4 finals in the next week and a mountain of homework to go through, so I haven't exactly been examining the game as closely as I would've liked and my activity level will drop off due to these pressures so I'm sorry about that.
I really didn't want to be inertia lynched.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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When you move the meta away from recruiting lurkers by advocating attacking lurkers hard, recruitment should move away from Lurkers. Cult Leaders want to recruit lurkers because they have a good record of survival, but if I propose attacking them, that moves the meta for the Cult Leader away from recruiting lurkers. It's a helluva lot easier to see behavioural change due to cult recruitment from an active player than a lurker.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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I reviewed the rest of your case against me,
The reason I lurked was because I had a specific plan for finding this cult, the plan involved looking for changes in behaviour over time and then matching those the prior suspicions. I believed at that point that it would be the best method for finding the Cult Leader and a significant part of his network, which is why I decided to stay back and let things go wherever they may because it is ESSENTIAL that I let people develop their own suspicions and attack on their own.
If I had decided to attack somebody else based on another method, that would decrease the number of attacks in the game because that focusses attention on me and the person I attack, so players might instead of posting their own suspicions be swayed by my case against someone and just fall in line. This town is very content to fall in line behind a bandwagon and if people just fall in line behind me, I certainly won't be able to pick out who changes his mind about his suspicions because THEY WONT BE STATING THOSE SUSPICIONS, instead of rereading the thread to find cult, they might just fall in line behind me. For my strategy to work, I need as many people working to find the cult leader as possible, that's why I specifcially separated myself from the cult hunt after putting you guys on that path on day two.
If I was very confident a player was a cult leader, I damn well would go hard after his ass 100%, but when I'm not that sure on any one person, I'd like to watch you guys chase and see what happens.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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That's not the point I'm making at all.
You weren't actually looking for people who are flipping because if the town sentiment was to go after people who suddenly flip on conviction, the scum would not behave that way.
The point I'm making is that scum don't recruit people who seem to be doing nothing and could become the target of much scrutiny because they have better things to do with their recruitments.
Like if Player A is trying to run you up and Player B seems to have completely fallen asleep and not posted in god knows how long AND has been on the top of several player's suspicion lists would you recruit player A or player B?
You don't need to catch me flipping my stance because I wouldn't be recruited, just think about what choices the Cult Leader should be making.-
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The List(TM):
Sudo_Nym
Setael
Yosarian2
MoS
Ecto
I don't trust Ecto because I don't think it would be a balanced setup for us to be up against a lone cult(which seems to be the case) which doesn't even recruit fully each night when we have so many investiagtive roles/masons. But there could be things that we don't yet know about this cult.
I've been somewhat suspicious of Sudo/TCS from day one, Sudo imo played somewhat cautiously like he wanted to be extra careful not to fuck up, TCS was just all over the place.
MoS is one of those minimal contribution tag-alongs that can really be anything.
And Yosarian is Yosarian. He makes children wet their beds at night.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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@ Cicero, what inquiry are you referring to? Specifically, what do you want me to tell you?
@Ecto, this is how I work, I use the information I am given to work out what I think is plausible and what I think is less plausible. The information I have is that all things point towards a single cult, multiple cults wouldn't make sense flavorwise and killing groups wouldn't make sense in terms of night actions.
I also have played enough games with Flay to know that he's an excellent moderator and I'm also a good enough analyst of setup balance to know what would be balanced in a game and what would be not so balanced.
This isn't me using balance as proof of anything, I said it was one point in favor of you being scum, I've hardly touted it as conclusive evidence of your guilt.
And frankly speaking, if you are telling the truth, I would fully expect you to be one of the top choices for the cult leader to recruit.-
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There is nothing that would make the CR not want to recruit you, the only thing was the off chance a fogg brother would've been possibly watching you, but we know the curfew lets the cult strike without fear of watchers so I'm tossing that out the window.Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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do you think the fogg brothers would be considered essential personnel?Show"I hope one day I can openly play as wolfy as Pooky and get zero pressure for it grumble grumble."
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That evil teddy bear has got everyone twirling by his thumb.
It's like witnessing an slow but unavoidable train crash you can't stop."
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