'The Lost Boys' Mafia (Cry Little Sister, it's OVER!)

[Mariyta]

/confirm

[Mariyta]

Vote Pooky

cause I don't trust him far as I can throw him (and he's no where near me, so I can't throw him at all).

[Mariyta]

The big question in my mind right now is whether TCS is honest or lying. Seems merely from a theory point of view, it might be worth it to lynch him and see just what is role is- if he's really a day cop, then we've got two confirmed vamps.

Unless he's a super daycop of some sort, most daycops only get one choice per day, just like regular cops. So, um, yeah, you're fishin' for a big one there.

[Mariyta]

People really need to learn what sarcasm is. Such silliness.

Anyway,

FOS Laggboy

(I'm not going to vote cause I don't feel like doing a vote count right now)

[Mariyta]

Unvote, Vote Sir Laggalot

It's a toss-up, but he has less votes than Arafax, and I don't think we want a speedlynch.

[Mariyta]

Sorry, just got poked. I've had a busy couple of days. I'll catch up this weekend.

[Mariyta]

Alright, I never got time to catch up. I've been hit with more than twice the workload I normally have, so I"m stressing out a bit. Things should calm down by the end of this week, but no guarantees, so if you need to replace me, go ahead.

[Mariyta]

K. I have a few minutes. Not enough to read most of what I missed, but I skimmed some of it (skipped most of the big posts, but I do that even when I have all the time in the world )

I believe Arafax's claim for now. I don't trust him, or Anix, as far as I can throw them, but I know Anix, and he's not dumb enough to put himself out there this early in the game for anyone unless he has a good reason. I know it's kinda wifomy, but I don't see him pulling a gambit like that as scum.

I read Amb's summary of The Fonz and it makes sense, makes me want to vote him, but considering he's at 7, I'm gonna wait til I can actually read the rest of the game (and maybe even a big post or 2).

Unvote

[Mariyta]

Well, aside from Albert's clear vendetta against The Fonz (which I hope no one is giving any credit to because it does not belong here), The Fonz has done nothing to defend himself, and refuses to claim at such a critical point. He has nothing to gain from not claiming at this point, so my only conclusion can be that he's scum, and can't think of a good enough lie.

Vote: The Fonz

[Mariyta]

A) Explained the reason I'm not very active. If you don't like it, I don't really care. I have a life outside the internet.

B) What Albert connection? You completely lost me there. He was going on about a vendetta from another game, and what happened in another game doesn't belong here. Simple as that. Same goes for everyone.

[Mariyta]

Uh, no. Clearly I don't...

[Mariyta]

Would you like to replace me now?

[Mariyta]

K. All yours, if Flay will let you.

[Mariyta]

I swear to God, people. Get hooked on phonics!!! Where on God's green earth does everyone get that damnable extra "A"??? It's not there, it never has been, and how do you manage to throw it in when you're saying/spelling my name all the time???

Anyway, as Ectomancer has said, I'm not switching my vote. Fonz hasn't done anything to make me want to. Just because someone roleclaims, doesn't mean that claim is true (and this one sounds horribly false). As for my lurking, already stated my reasons and there are people lurking far worse than I, so try harder you lazy scum.

[Mariyta]

Leave any meta-game grudges out of this game please. I rather like it and don't want to see external motivations being used here. It sucks for everyone else not involved in the pissing contest.

QFT... as far as I can tell, people are holding the Albert thing against me, and the only reason he went after me is because he had a weird thing against me or something. (Yes, I'm discounting the lurking thing, cause it's a lame excuse when there are people lurkier than I am).

[Mariyta]

I don't think we can figure out much by lynching another claimed vanilla. I believe there are 2 who have claimed still out there, so lynching one of them does us no good. I'm gonna

vote Pooky

, cause he's been too quiet.

[Mariyta]

Gut

Might wanna take some Rolaids then.

[Mariyta]

Sudo's last two posts have simply been parrots of the post before his... even to the point of using exact concepts or words (labyrinth vs puzzle, then in his second post, using "old fashioned", just like HH. It's giving me a funny feeling... is he trying too hard to fit in?

[Mariyta]

For the record, I trust Arafax's claim. Like most people, I usually think he's scum, but he's been consistent and sensical from the start. I find it hard to believe that Ectomancer has that much trouble understanding Arafax. He seems to be deliberately confusing what Arafax is saying...

Unvote

[Mariyta]

Not sure why Battle Mage felt the urge to name claim... but

vote: Mariyta

. For lurking, the -1 vote, and general scumminess.

FOS: HackerHuck, Ectomancer

That was the wrong choice for a vote, but welcome to the game anyway.

[Mariyta]

I can understand BM claiming to try to help The Fonz, but I think because of The Fonz's name, we needed that lynch to show that a vampire could indeed be town.

For now, some is telling me to

vote: Amb

.

[Mariyta]

Damn. I forgot "thing" in "something"... and I need a new sig.

[Mariyta]

Hmm... Crub and Hacker both coming in from nowhere to defend BM... interesting...

[Mariyta]

Couple quick things before I dope myself up with cold medicine and head to bed...

I can see the case for Sudo, and I would not be against it, but I still have an uneasy feeling about Amb that I'm not willing to let go of just yet.

I don't think I was "subtly implying" anything. I think I pointed out the possible connections pretty clearly, whether they are real connections or, as Ecto already pointed out, possible scum trying to align themselves with a townie. I found it kind of odd that 2 people who seemed to show little interested in the matter suddenly jump to BM's defense.

That is all. Good night.

[Mariyta]

I find it intriguing that Dybeck quoted Ecto's post, voted him, and yelled at him, yet never answered any of the questions in that post. Looking back, that seems to be his general response (minus the voting most of the time). While dybeck has been pretty active in response to Ecto's accusations, it seems like he hasn't said a whole lot, and I don't recall him ever actually answering the initial question Ecto had about why Tinvision is a good vote (something about the least being lurking or some stuff). I'm going to step on Ecto's side here, and ask dybeck to answer the questions. Why Tinvision? And why me? Please give me something more than "lurking in plain sight" because that answer is just crap, especially coming from you. I've added what I can when I can.

On another note, that may not mean anything, dybeck has replaced scmp, who I don't recall was very active... who replaced Albert, who was just plain weird. I'm not using this as a basis for my vote at all, it just seems like something of possible note. In my experience, scum tend to be replaced a lot more often than town... just something to keep an eye on.

Unvote, vote dybeck

Now, to answer my "lurking in plain sight" accusation... It's the beginning of the semester. I'm working every day, if I'm not working I'm in class, or at the newspaper, where I'm managing editor and have to dedicate a lot of time. Not to mention, it's hard to get reads on people in this game. So I participate when I feel I have something to contribute. And most of the time, I don't.

[Mariyta]

I agree with Laggsy. But GodOfWine is definately someone to keep an eye on, and I would like to hear his response to that post, specifically the comment about his lynch vote.

[Mariyta]

Nice wishy-washy comments on his post there SirLags and Mariyta. A less non-committal response would have been appreciated.

If you're calling it non-committal because I didn't vote him, then yes, it was non-committal, and it will remain that way. I agree with TinVision's assessment, but it's not strong enough to move my vote off dybeck, who I feel is a better choice.

[Mariyta]

Well, is there a case to investigate or not? By saying you disagree and cutting off discussion on it, you are indicating that there isn't. But if we should look at again later, then there is something there, and why shouldn't we look at it now?

To reiterate what I said before... there is a case, but it's not strong enough to push it further at this point, in my opinion. To answer your second question... just because there is a case against someone, it isn't always the strongest case, and it should be put on the back burner while the more likely suspects are evaluated. Trying to say that we should go after everyone who looks suspicious is just silly. We don't have time for that. It's possible to make a case against anyone here, but is that the smart way to go? No. We need to pick those who we feel the strongest about and investigate them first.

[Mariyta]

Yeah, my vote looks pretty good right now...

[Mariyta]

If you want me to reveal my thoughts on Laggalot's role, with my reasoning behind it, I will. You should know that it also involves revealing my role.

I don't think it would be smart. If enough people disagree with me, I'll blow the whole thing wide open. Although, as I've stated, I think this whole line of enquiry is Not Helpful.

What you should have done... what would have been the smart move, actually, is if you didn't say anything about Lagsy's role at all, unless it was absolutely necessary. You've simply put him in a position where scum, if you're not scum yourself, feel they need to take him out to be safe. You may have cost us someone important, if he does have a power role.

[Mariyta]

I'm also on board with the idea of a TCS lynch.

I haven't been a big fan of his play this game and I'm disappointed that more people aren't keen on his lynch.
I still think that his opening game play was scummy. It was obviously a discussion starter, but I think it ended up creating a big smoke screen to cast suspicion on the newbs.

He's expressed interest in being replaced. At this point, I don't think it's an avenue we should pursue.

Since then, he's been playing like Chamber.

That's just plain mean.

@dybeck: How many people have you gone after so far? Are you going to accuse everyone who changes their mind at any point in the game?

[Mariyta]

Yeah, still comfortable with my vote (and I know, I didn't add any content, but dybeck is doing all my work for me. I don't have to elaborate )

[Mariyta]

I agree with Crub. I don't see how claiming pieces over time and claiming it all at once is any different.

[Mariyta]

Meh. Yeah, I don't care, would just save time to do it all at once.

[Mariyta]

GodofWine: I would hold off on a claim until some protown players think you're scum.

Even then, I suspect you'll get lynched anyway.

This is where our eyes should be turned.

[Mariyta]

GodofWine: I would hold off on a claim until some protown players think you're scum.

Even then, I suspect you'll get lynched anyway.

This is where our eyes should be turned.

Could you BE any more scummy looking?

Yup.

[Mariyta]

Funny how you both are pushing for my lynch but neither of you are voting me. If you find me so scummy, grow some and do something about it.

[Mariyta]

Don't patronize me.

[Mariyta]

Please show us where HackerHuck is jumping on the weakest targets.

*bump* for dybeck

Could dybeck have been talking about himself, in an attempt to gain pity? I hardly consider someone with one vote on them the "weakest target" though... This isn't the first time the boy has avoided questions directed to him about his claims. I've yet to see a decent case against me (although, I've never asked for it; someone else did).

[Mariyta]

Arafax, I believe the point is, safeclaims are roles that *are* within the theme, and they are not given to a protown player for the purpose of giving scum something to claim.

Ahhhh, what I was saying is that based on the movie, there isn't a claim that scum could claim without a very good chance of someone actually being that person....Due to the number of characters in the film versus how many players in our game.

Right, and that's exactally the kind of game where mods sometimes tell the scum "roles X, Y, and Z are not in the game, and are therefore safe for you to claim" to give them safeclaims.

Just for my clarification... no one is claiming that all the safe claims are "vampire in movie but not in game" claims, right? It seems like that would be a mistake on the mod's part, and I just don't see that happening (I know, it's kinda WIFOMy, but it's hard to believe that would be the case).

[Mariyta]

BM does seem to be giving a "knee-jerk" reaction, as Vitamin said. He was no where near being lynched, but his response seemed a bit more stressed than it needed to be. First with the question "can I respond to anything" like people were just jumping on in droves not giving him any chance to defend himself, and second, he asks Vitamin to answer his question... I don't see any questions directed at anyone but Ecto.

I think BM might be worth examining a bit more, not just because of the claim issue, but because of a feeling I've had about him all game (of course, that could just be my general dislike for him ).

[Mariyta]

Mariyta dislikes me?

or is it just OMGUS?

How would it be an OMGUS?

And it's mostly because I think you're scum, and only a little cause I don't like you.

[Mariyta]

I'm not behind the GoW wagon, and my vote on dybeck doesn't seem to be doing anything, so I guess I'll have to come back to that one. For now, let's see if we can make someone squirm like the scum he is. Anyone with a real power role wouldn't make it that obvious with a claim like "me claiming would be bad." It's just not a smart move.

Vote BM

[Mariyta]

It doesn't matter what I say or do; you'll always find it "opportunistic"...

[Mariyta]

Hmm... not sure how I feel about that claim. I'll have to think on it a bit.

[Mariyta]

Ok, I had the night to think on it, and I'll believe it for now.

Unvote

However, I'm not sure where to place my vote now. I still think dybeck is scum, but for now, that's a fruitless avenue, so I'll leave it be until I glean more information...

....although....

He's alternately defended Mariyta and Yosarian, both of whom I'd be happy with a lynch on.

We finally got the case on HH, but I still haven't seen the case on me (who he's been on all game), and now he's on Yos, with no explanation.

[Mariyta]

Yeah, I"m putting my vote back where it belongs.

Vote dybeck

[Mariyta]

Thanks Mariyta. One fewer scum on BM's wagon seems like a good move to me. I'm sure it'll go back if you get a sniff that you might get him lynched.

Nah, I'll leave your scum buddy alone and I'll stick to you from now on.

[Mariyta]

Quit your OMGUS. I smelled ulterior motives to your actions and when you see that, you go looking for scum. You confirmed that I was correct that you did indeed have something else going on other than a simple claim to try to protect The Fonz.
Don't come after me because I was right.

You may have been right, but that doesnt indicate your innocence. All it does prove is that you are guilty of taking information and jumping to the wrong conclusion with it. Had you kept your mouth shut, i might not have had to claim today.

BM

Had you even half-assed bothered to defend yourself you wouldn't have had to claim either. It was lazy play on your part that led to your claim, not my scumhunting.

Agreed. Definately need to work on your defense techniques and tone down the pathos...

[Mariyta]

Wow. I wish both Mariyta and dybeck would shut up and stop making retarded attacks on each other. BM is not dybeck's scumbuddy, because BM is most likely town. BM is not going to be lynched any time soon for the same reason. They are both making completely idiotic potshots at each other just because they think the other is scum. Try presenting some actual logic, please, and cut the bullshit.

Just because someone is a mason doesn't automatically make them town, my dear. And until you give me a good reason to vote someone else, I'm sticking with the person I feel most likely to be scum.

[Mariyta]

So you don't care AT ALL the fact that BM's claim matches up almost perfectly as a motivation for the actions he was being voted over?

You've been hanging around BM too long. You're becoming a drama queen... I unvoted

BM

because I think his claim is more likely town than not. That doesn't rule out the fact that he could still possibly be scum. I'm voting

DYBECK

, not BM. I have no reason to believe dybeck is town. If you're that convinced of his innocence, why don't you prove it to me, instead of hounding him for not answering YOUR questions....

[Mariyta]

Your vote alone isn't going to convince anyone. Care to post a case?

Gladly. He replaced Albert and scmp, so we'll start there. Italics are my comments.

First post of substance from Albert: Votes Indy without any explanation whatsoever.
2: Uses Sudo's explanation to explain his previous vote

This is shady, but not necessarily condemnable

3: Gets upset at Anix for unvoting Arafax (after Albert himself already said it was a baseless wagon)
4: Jumps his vote to TCS

Again, no explanation; strike #2

5: Wants Anix to claim more
6: Does a 180 in less than 4 hours and decides to leave Anix alone
7/8: Explains his 180
9: Something about messed up quotes
10: Jumps on the Sudo wagon

Still no explanation for his vote hopping

11: U

Gets involved in the childlike banter

12: Believes Laggsy is town
13: And Fonz
14/15/16: Response to Sudo about wanting to vote for any reason
17: Jumps on Fonz

Voting Fonz, after previously claiming he was town, with no explanation

18: Agrees w/ MoS
19/20: Asks for claim then says lynch him
21-24: Says he's getting revenge on Fonz and they go back and forth

Revenge from another game is definately not a good reason to get someone lynched

25: Doesn't care if Fonz claims
26: Likes Fonz, but thinks he's scum
27: Sorry Fonz
28: Quotes TCS with a QFT
29: Votes me (no reason stated)

Again, no explanation

30: Says he's voting me for my "Albert connection"

He's never liked me, so I'm ignoring this

31-34: Strange exchange with me about the non-existant connection
scmp replaces Albert
First (and only) post of substance: Is convinced, votes Fonz

Useless post

dybeck replaces scmp
First post: Summary of his thoughts, votes me, foses HH/Ecto

His reason to vote me was lurking. I'd already explained my reasons, and they still hold true. I have a life outside this site. I work, go to school, and help run a newspaper, and that's just for starters. Maybe some people need to learn what it's like to be an adult...

2: Could go for a TinVision wagon

No explanation why he wants a wagon, just does

3: Realizes vampires might not be the bad guys
4: Doesn't think BM is scum, but tells him he could get lynched.
5: Response to BM
6: Wants me, Ecto and TV lynched

Where's HH in this list, and why TinVision?

7: Refuses to elaborate on why he thinks TV is scum
8: Thinks Ecto thinks he has some inside info, still voting me
9/10: Doesn't have anything on Tinvision and wants me lynched

Back to square one, without him actually giving any reasoning for voting Tinvision in the first place!!!

11: Says I'm still lurking and wants Ecto's opinion on me

See First Post for my explanation. This is where he starts to ask others to build his cases for him. He does this repeatedly, and it's extremely scummy

12: Votes Ecto out of frustration

*Note: This is where I really start thinking he may be scum.

13: Starts pleading to specific people to build cases on those he thinks is scum

This post simply reeks of scum.

14: Goes back to voting me, says Ecto/Mariyta likely scum pair
15: Asks Yos to give opinions on me and Sudo

Yet again...

16: Agrees with Ecto

OMG, Hell froze over...

17: Asks HH to build a case on me and Sudo...

Again!

18: HH responds and complies, then dybeck asks him if he's scum...

After someone finally complies and builds his cases for him, he turns around and attacks them!

19: Claims Ecto is reading things into his posts

Gets defensive here, as he does later on, about people interpreting his posts, yet never explains why he asked HH if he was scum.

20: Still voting me
21: Starts arguing with Ecto (again)
22: Response to HH
23/24: Thinks people are after him, trying to misinterpret his posts
25: Claims he knows Laggsy's role and he'll spill if asked

Bad bad bad move. Never ever do this if you think someone has a town power role. Bad form

26: Votes HH

Again, no reason

27: Agrees with almost everything GoW has said all game and qft's TCS

Note this for future reference.

28: Tells GoW not to claim, but that he'll likely get lynched anyway
29: "Why have we not lynched Mariyta yet??! " and says I go into hiding

Again, I have a life, and it doesn't revolve around dybeck or this game...

30: Sarcastic comment to me

These become increasingly more frequent, and I'm really getting tired of them.

, Agrees with Yos that GoW's play was "ridiculously poor", tells GoW so

And yet, he agreed with pretty much everything GoW said all game...

31: Tells the town not to lynch GoW due to bad play; says he's been trying to draw me and HH "out of the woodwork"

Why HH? We still have no explanation.

32-34: Doesn't get why BM thinks he has more info than he should
35: Says his opinion hasn't changed
36: Wants to know who Paul is
37: Claims I'm opportunistic
38/39: Goes into why he thinks HH is scum, throwing me and Yos (no explanation) in there

I'm not nearly as inactive as I was at the beginning of the semester, and despite comments on my "lack of content," I believe I'm doing a whole hell of a lot better at explaining my reasons and thoughts than I used to. Also, why Yos?

40: Says Ecto is fishing, but doesn't know if it's scummy (just annoying)
41: Yet another sarcastic, snotty comment to me

I'm seriously getting sick of this...

42: Calls MoS unhelpful

But refuses to answers MoS's question, that has been reposted at least 3 times.

43: Another unnecessary, snarky remark...

I'm thinking of asking to be replaced at this point. I don't play games to deal with shitheads.

So there you go. Most of the time he's just plain rude and unhelpful. He's gotten into fights with numerous people over silly, ridiculous things, hasn't bothered to post explanations for most of his votes (or doesn't back those explanations up with facts), and his posts have only a fraction of the content mine do (and mine usually don't have a ton). Agree with me or not, I don't care. But that's why I'm voting him.

[Mariyta]

yes i only have 1 buddy. 3 guesses as to which character it is. lol

Oy... you shouldn't have done that.

[Mariyta]

yes i only have 1 buddy. 3 guesses as to which character it is. lol

Oy... you shouldn't have done that.

If there is any adherence to theme at all there is only one character who would be a mason with Star. It's not exactly a big surprise.

Yes, but at this point, with all the revelation over who might be scum and who might not, it would've been easily debatable. He essentially just outted his partner, should a name claim become necessary for any reason.

[Mariyta]

First things first - there is

nothing

to support the theory that there are any vampires in this game beyond the theme. There is nothing to support the theory that if there

are

vampires in this game, they would be anti-town beyond the theme. We have every reason to think that anti-town vampires

might

be in this game, but no indication yet that they actually are. Something to remember.

I don't understand this part, I don't think... It seems to me like you're saying there are no vampires in the game, but you yourself are one. I think I might get what you're trying to say, but I'd rather not infer. Could you please clarify for me?

Mariyta - very quiet early on, and seems to be very flippant and terse. Potentially scummy?

I tend to get cranky when people continually vote me for "lurking" with nothing else to go on. It annoys the crap outta me when people act like there's nothing in life but this site. It's ridiculous to think everyone can participate non-stop all the time.

Amb/cicero - Amb seemed very very scummy, probably my second choice vote after sudo_nym.

I actually agree with this. When I was going back through to do my dybeck post, I realized I never stopped thinking Amb might possibly be scum; I just got sidetracked by someone more scummy. He seems to be sliding under the radar and deserves another look for sure.

[Mariyta]

I don't understand this part, I don't think... It seems to me like you're saying there are no vampires in the game, but you yourself are one. I think I might get what you're trying to say, but I'd rather not infer. Could you please clarify for me?

I'm not claiming to be a vampire, but Marko from the film was one (I think, it's been ages since I saw it). My role PM reflects this, as did everyone else's with similar claims. So far we've seen no vampires, even the characters we'd really expect to be vampires, and nothing vampire-related.

I guess I misinterpretted what people meant when they said "vampire in movie but not in game." I assumed it meant they were a vampire, but not evil. What you said does make some sense, though I don't quite get how it can be in the theme at all to simply use the names and change everything else so drastically.

[Mariyta]

yes i only have 1 buddy. 3 guesses as to which character it is. lol

Oy... you shouldn't have done that.

If there is any adherence to theme at all there is only one character who would be a mason with Star. It's not exactly a big surprise.

Yes, but at this point, with all the revelation over who might be scum and who might not, it would've been easily debatable. He essentially just outted his partner, should a name claim become necessary for any reason.

in which case i think you should be bright enough to realise that encouraging a name-claim is a poor plan.

Um, where did you get the idea that I'm encouraging a name claim? That would just be dumb.

[Mariyta]

Regardless of whether he was talking about role gender or real gender, we now have entirely too much information on his partner. I can imagine 'her' sitting at her computer, reading as he keeps babbling on, wanting to beat the living daylight out of him... Can we please drop the mason matter before he ends up giving us everything and getting them both killed?

[Mariyta]

Mariyta - Cranky? Definitely. Scum, who knows? Totally not actually lurking though. If you go back she's said a fair amount. She just doesnt do long posts. Except the last one which was good and long.

I get cranky when people are stupid. It just happens that we have several stupid people, and one really really stupid person.

And thank you for being the only person to realize that activity!=long posts!!

[Mariyta]

Alrighty, the next prod goes out to Anix, who has not posted in almost 2 months now. That qualifies as MIA, not lurking

He's not MIA. I told him days ago to post something game-breaking (cause, well, he's Mr. 11th Hour and should be able to do stuff like that). He whined about his laptop or something and never did it.

[Mariyta]

Um, I would guess that Anix can not post (a post restriction or something) because I mentioned an Anix prod to Flay a few pages back, he didn't post anything of relevance about helping out....Then he does the same thing to Ecto...Plus Flay is a mod who is quickly on top of prods, VC's etc....Now, if he can't post due to a restriciton, what does that mean?....I think that we can agree that he was "vamp in the movie, but not in game" and with the no kill N1 is it possible that he was brought into the cult?

Thoughts?

I was beginning to think that as well. If I were the leader of a cult, I know he'd be one I'd want on my side. It's a bit worrisome.

Random question: do doctor's save against cult infections or just deaths? Or does it depend on the mod?

[Mariyta]

Don't forget that Arafax was the first, unprompted, to out himself as a vamp.

He did this without any knowledge that others were pro-town vamps.

wouldn't that just make a cult more likely to recruit him, since this point could be brought up if people attacked him?

The hypothetical cult that we have absolutely no evidence of, that exists in the town where the vampires aren't scum. I'll pass on that as a reason for a lynch, thanks.

lol qft. cult-talk is generally started by scum who's sole aim is to confuse the town.

Do you have any evidence of this? In my experience, I don't recall this to always be the case.

[Mariyta]

Yes, I'm lurking because I have sooo much to contribute to this discussion...

/sarcasm

[Mariyta]

[*]

Albert B. Rampage

scmp

dybeck

scmp

is

dybeck.

[Mariyta]

Unvote, Vote: Hackerhuck

stop lurking!

Support of dybeck noted.

[Mariyta]

Guess it wasn't as funny as I thought.

[Mariyta]

And now the Mariyta/HH connections get stronger...-.-

There was a connection other than dybeck creating one?

[Mariyta]

This day is dragging and my patience are gone....

Vote Dybeck

That seems to be the main reason for the dybeck wagon's size and speed. Not that I really think it's a bad wagon, but still... makes me feel somewhat uneasy.

I already stated all of my reasons. Feel free to go back and reread them at any time.

[Mariyta]

Still happy with my vote. No plans on switching before deadline.

[Mariyta]

Cicero raises an excellent point.

Mariyta, who are my scummates?

I don't know. None of them are as scummy as you.

[Mariyta]

Cicero raises an excellent point.

Mariyta, who are my scummates?

Not surprising that when I posed the same question to you, it's ignored, but now you expect someone else to propose their alternate scum suspects.

I also don't like how MoS attacks Mariyta for her reponse (I assume at least) yet he ignored Dybeck for doing the same.

I'm highly disappointed in MOS's play as of late. He seems to be relying on mob mentality more than anything else. It's really quite sad, considering I know how great he can be.

As for my vote, I'm not moving it. I don't feel strong enough about anyone else to place my vote and I'd rather end the day knowing I was voting the person I felt was most scummy, even if no one else agrees.

[Mariyta]

Cicero raises an excellent point.

Mariyta, who are my scummates?

Not surprising that when I posed the same question to you, it's ignored, but now you expect someone else to propose their alternate scum suspects.

I beg your pardon. I must have overlooked it.

I think that the scum are, in descending order of scumminess:

Mariyta, HackerHuck, Tinvision, Yosarian2 and (at a guess) VitaminR.

Is that clear enough for you?

Now that there's a possibility of a wagon on my favorite scum suspect,

unvote, vote: Mariyta

. She's more dangerous because she's mastered the art of ducking back into hiding whenever anyone starts looking at her in a way that her scummates have not.

Look all you want, baby. Go ahead and focus on me for an OMGUS like the scum you are.

[Mariyta]

Cicero raises an excellent point.

Mariyta, who are my scummates?

Not surprising that when I posed the same question to you, it's ignored, but now you expect someone else to propose their alternate scum suspects.

I beg your pardon. I must have overlooked it.

I think that the scum are, in descending order of scumminess:

Mariyta, HackerHuck, Tinvision, Yosarian2 and (at a guess) VitaminR.

Is that clear enough for you?

Now that there's a possibility of a wagon on my favorite scum suspect,

unvote, vote: Mariyta

. She's more dangerous because she's mastered the art of ducking back into hiding whenever anyone starts looking at her in a way that her scummates have not.

Look all you want, baby. Go ahead and focus on me for an OMGUS like the scum you are.

You'll understand if I feel the urge to point out that my vote is not an OMGUS, and that I've had you fingered as scum since my very first poat. Your misrepresentation is noted.

If you're so confident that you won't get lynched, why don't you post some content for us? Now would be as good a time as any to start!

You really are a moron.

[Mariyta]

I also don't like how MoS attacks Mariyta for her reponse (I assume at least) yet he ignored Dybeck for doing the same.

Uhh, HH? You *do* realize that I've been suspicious of dybeck for quite some time, right? I was voting him for a long while until I got tired of Pooky's lack of contribution. Now I see Mariyta doing something scummy, so I put pressure there as well. But I already voiced my suspicions of dybeck, I'm too lazy to point out every single thing he does unless he is my main target.

Which was what? You never said anything; you just voted for me. That in and of itself is scummy.

[Mariyta]

Bad move, Dasquin.

[Mariyta]

Gettting a bad vibe from Mariyta from her last few posts. OMGUSy feelings towards MOS, general dis-inclination to post content, and just some general wierdness. (I'd especally like her to explain that "Bad Move" post)

unvote:Arafax

, although I'm not going to be happy with him until he starts to post something and stops acting like he can just lurk forever just because some people liked his claim

vote:Mariyta

You are quite correct. I'm tired of this day and I'm highly annoyed at several people playing. I will tell you the same thing I told Dasquin... bad move. Considering how many people are on me right now, you just might get an explanation to that comment soon, but for now, I'll leave as is.

[Mariyta]

Gettting a bad vibe from Mariyta from her last few posts. OMGUSy feelings towards MOS, general dis-inclination to post content, and just some general wierdness. (I'd especally like her to explain that "Bad Move" post)

unvote:Arafax

, although I'm not going to be happy with him until he starts to post something and stops acting like he can just lurk forever just because some people liked his claim

vote:Mariyta

You are quite correct. I'm tired of this day and I'm highly annoyed at several people playing. I will tell you the same thing I told Dasquin... bad move. Considering how many people are on me right now, you just might get an explanation to that comment soon, but for now, I'll leave as is.

Please don't soft claim.

I'll do what I want.

[Mariyta]

Cop. TCS is town. Regardless, this is probably my last day in this game. Congrats.

[Mariyta]

Cop. TCS is town. Regardless, this is probably my last day in this game. Congrats.

Well if it is your last day in the game, could you provide the full flavour please? Flavour is very important in this game.

Vernon Beasley, security guard on the Santa Carla boardwalk.

[Mariyta]

Thanks. That's actually fairly useful info since it lets us know

- that a minor character will be included in the flavour choices.
- that, potentially, the names aren't just shuffled randomly... which is important in considering the whole David as townie thing and the implications for other vamp name claims.
- Let's us know that TCS is town and that you are town which limits our suspect list UNLESS you are scum and lying, which is unlikely, but which certainly just let the real cop know that you are scum which can only help eventually.

As a pointed aside, while I personally didnt feel you were scum after my long readthrough, I certainly don't blame the town for you needing to claim. Your play throughout the game has been tunnel visioned, and your responses have been defensive and in my opinion quite rude and, frankly, contemptuous of the other players. It only got worse in the last few pages. It was only a matter of time before you ended up under severe scrutiny that way. Personally, I think you set this up in order to punish the town for a lack of clairvoyance and for being unwilling to fully back your Dybeck Vendetta.

So I return your snarky "congrats" back at you. If someone hurt the town by having the cop NKed early, in this case, it was that cop.

You must be joking. That's a really idiotic viewpoint. Heaven forbid I don't jump around in my suspicions like half the rest of you.

And I like how you call me rude and ignore the behavior of the other jerks in this game. Thank you.

[Mariyta]

Mariyta, does your role flavour give any hints as to what flavour of bad guys you can detect? That would be

really

useful information.

No, it just says I'll be a happy little girl when we get rid of all threats.

[Mariyta]

unvote, vote: Hackerhuck

Your claim will do for today. It's not like Hacker is town. And if there's another cop, you'll get investigated and lynched tomorrow. If there's not, you'll investigate me and I'll get some peace and quiet tomorrow.

Actually, I'm going to investigate MoS so we know if we can trust him or not.

[Mariyta]

Gah, why tell everyone who you're investigating in advance? It only sets up easy gambits for mafia role-blockers, redirectors, etc or just tells them which confirmed innocent to kill.

Um, wouldn't the fact that I'm the cop tell them who to block or redirect...or kill?

Besides, it's usually common practice for the town to direct the cop, vig, etc, after they've been outted (at least in my experience, anywya).

Cicero, the "If I die, blame him" route has been taken many a time by both scum and town. It's a null tell at best.

[Mariyta]

unvote, vote: Hackerhuck

Your claim will do for today. It's not like Hacker is town. And if there's another cop, you'll get investigated and lynched tomorrow. If there's not, you'll investigate me and I'll get some peace and quiet tomorrow.

Actually, I'm going to investigate MoS so we know if we can trust him or not.

HoI: Mariyta

(Hand of Idiocy). I really dont think you should be talking about who you intend to investigate. If anything, you might consider me to be a possible investigation target, in order to confirm me and my partner.

But srsly, just dont go on about it now.

BM

I thought about investigating you, but I think there's enough evidence for your innocence, it would be a waste.

[Mariyta]

I agree with you MoS. And I've been thinking more on possible targets to investigate, and I realize that there are several who are more questionable than you, so I think I'm going to focus on one of our lynch candidates for the day. We'll see where that takes us.

[Mariyta]

Yep MoS, that about covers it. thanks for spending the time to go and pick those quotes up. If you need more convincing, i'll be reading more of his posts later, and i'll make comments on the more up to date stuff for you.

Those exact same reasons can be used for quite a few others in this game as well.

[Mariyta]

He could always track me (I don't think watching would do any good unless I died because we wouldn't want to know the results of a watch if I didn't as that'd likely out another power role). He could also track/watch BM.

[Mariyta]

It was a suggestion if we thought we needed to prove his claim. Jeez. People get pissy for no good reason all the time.

[Mariyta]

Maritya - you already claimed TCS innocent from last nights investigation. Could you unvote please?

I don't understand this statement/question... I'm not voting TCS. So your comment doesn't seem to correlate with my vote at all.

As for unvoting, I won't. I prefer to end the day voting who I think is most likely scum, regardless of if it's the most popular lynch target. And especially in light of TinVision's comment, I think I'd rather keep my vote on and lessen the chance of a possible mason lynch.

[Mariyta]

Ok, I have several things to say.

First, cicero, don't be an ass. It's unnecessary.

Second, Sudo_Nym is innocent.

Third, last night, I was bitten. So, that's a definitive "Yes, we are dealing with a cult." I was never told I couldn't tell the town I was bitten, and according to the PM I received, I can still remain town (and subsequently only half-vampire) depending on what I choose to do. I still have my night action (IE: Cop). However, since I am technically a vampire, I need to kill and drink. If I choose not to kill, I'll suffer in some way. I asked what that suffering was and I was told I'd find out if/when the time came. Simply for the fact that I'm telling you all this, I hope you realize which path I'm choosing, but for those who choose to pretend to be idiots... I'm going to suffer instead of kill.

Some other things of note: The name of the cult is the Lost Boys, and I can talk at night with whoever bit me (through PMs with Flay, not directly as I don't know who did it).

[Mariyta]

Dont understand this one.

Could also have been BM with this OMGUS Mos vote.

Having masons who are also vampires in the movie does kinda poop on the whole 'cult who recruits movie-vamps only' theory.
On the other hand, a cult itself makes a little more sense now i think about it. Of course, balance is tough. A lone cult-recruiter at the start of game would be heavily under-balanced, and i dont think Flay would have a game that could well be over on Day 1. 2 cult members at the start is likely, and there has to be some sort of restriction on their recruiting.
Other than that, i'm pretty impressed with your analysis. Nice work.

@MoS- OMG-please pay attention. A few definitions for you:
1. If you analyse someone, you generally look at their posts. Obviously if i see something directed at me that i havent addressed in someones posts, i'll look at it then. I've already looked over it yesterday, and from what i recall, it was utter BS. BUT, if you want me to actually spend time taking it apart for the lazies, i'll do that.
2. OMGUS occurs when you vote for someone purely because they attack you. That is how i see your vote today. Your definition is ridiculously skewed, because ignoring breaks in the game, your definition infers that people who vote for someone who random-voted them, are probably OMGUSing them-some 50 pages later.

If you recall, i did volunteer to be cop investigated yesterday. I highly expect that i HAVE been cop investigated, so i guess we'll wait and see. But, thats weak logic on the grounds that you have not been the recipient of an innocent investigation either. You seem to be fighting the case that i am not confirmed innocent, and yet in your obvious over-excitement, you've forgotten that not been confirmed innocent does not mean that you are definitely scum. Every reason for me being scum, also applies to you, and thats excluding the fact that i have claimed a confirmable role, and your behaviour has been ridiculously scummy, and has so far gone virtually ignored.

In fact, i'm very tempted to get my partner to claim now, so that we end this dispute, and simply lynch MoS. But i'm going to analyse him first. The last time i came up with a strategy like that, i got lynched within 2 pages (i was the Doc). lol

BM

Did you not even bother to read my post?

[Mariyta]

Wow...interesting stuff happened while I was writing that uber-post. Ok, if Maryta is telling the truth (no real reason to doubt her at the moment that I see), it can tell us a lot.

1. Mariyta, you probably already said this, but I don't remember; is your role a vampire in the movie?

No, I'm a security guard, not a vampire. So that theory of only vampires being bitten is out the window.

2. Assuming that the scum did that same thing both nights, then there should be one other person "bitten", unless they were role-blocked or something. If that person chose to remain pro-town, he should say he was bitten now; after all, the vamps already know who you are. If he dosn't claim, then we know we've got exactally 1 vamp recruit so far.

My PM said I have to kill, not just bite. So that could easily mean that whoever has been bitten has either chosen the same thing I did, or haven't decided.

[Mariyta]

Sentral: Um, did you see the movie? I suspect that if Mariyta starts killing, she will turn into a scum. Or is that what you're hoping for?

fos:Sentral

That is correct. My win condition depends on my actions (I thought that'd be obvious, but I guess it wasn't...)

[Mariyta]

I bet whoever bit me last night is thinking I'm a complete idiot right now.

[Mariyta]

Besides, the vampire or vampires presuably already know who they bit night 1. By not claiming, they're just denying the town info that the scum already have.

And if that's the case, they've clearly chosen to go to the dark side.

[Mariyta]

I had a thought this morning (after a severe lack of sleep involving an imagined frightening letter of absolute nonsense...).

We are assuming someone got bit last night. What if only power roles can be bitten? We didn't have any power roles claim yesterday, did we? I haven't reread, but I think it was just townie claims. If only power roles can be bitten, then it would definately be in someone's best interest to force them to claim, thus making me the first "casualty," if you will. I'm definately not saying this is absolutely the case. It's just something to chew on.

[Mariyta]

Yes, I meant N1.

[Mariyta]

Just be careful. We could be closer to a loss than we think. I almost didn't bring up the numbers, but it wasn't made clear by Maritya whether the Cult Recruiter could communicate with

her

through the mod before she makes her kill.

It does say they may communicate with me.

[Mariyta]

Before you decide to kill?

It doesn't specify that.

[Mariyta]

- Mariyta, could you confirm that you got an innocent result on Sudo_Nym? I'm pretty sure you said you did, but I want to be crystal clear before moving on.

Go back and read. I was "crystal clear" already.

[Mariyta]

Vote cicero

for being blatantly scummy, contradictory, and for claiming the easy out (he claimed beach bum, no? If I'm wrong about that, I'll retract that statement.).

[Mariyta]

Has anyone else noticed that the death listings don't indicate good or bad? They're black, and usually town is green, not town is red. Is that just the way Flay does things?

[Mariyta]

Has anyone else noticed that the death listings don't indicate good or bad? They're black, and usually town is green, not town is red. Is that just the way Flay does things?

I assume it's personal preference, I certainly haven't found the red/green thing to be standard across games.

Anyway, Mariyta does your role give any indication as to what sort of scum group we are up against and/or any type of particular scum that you may/may not detect the alignment of.

Just says threats.

[Mariyta]

It said I have to kill in order to not suffer. I added the drinking part, because that's the reason vampires kill and it sounds cooler than just "kill". Drinking blood as a phrase is no where in my PM. Just the killing part. So, I guess I could just have to kill and not drink, but that makes no sense at all and I'd still suffer if that were the case.

Anyway, I hope that's the question you were talking about. Took me forever to find it

[Mariyta]

In response to MoS as I read through his posts:

-Yes, I thought of the possibility of losing my night action, or no longer being able to trust the results. It's possible I might even lose the ability to communicate at all, etc. But I figured it was worth the risk to see what it leads to if it gives the town more information.

-Your telling me to go talk to whoever bit me so they reveal clues is so not going to get them to reveal clues... Either a slip on your part, or a not-so-subtle hint to your current cult members? Hmm...

-I was thinking a bit more on this half-vampire thing... As you said, Star and Laddy were half-vampires (essentially) to begin with. What if it only takes a bite to turn them, and not a kill, since they are already halfway there? Or if the cult consists of mostly half-vampires to begin with, but they're laying in wait until they build numbers? Also, maybe a "vampire in the movie, but not the game" can be turned fully through a bite instead of just halfway... Today's new information has not made me feel more comfortable about BM or Dasquin at all.

-If any of the claimed vampires were turned and wanted to choose to bite me, I can see one of those choosing me for me, and not because I was the cop. Which makes me unable to trust him now too. Crap.

Unvote

Cicero may be a tard, but I'm less sure about his actual scumminess.

Vote Dasquin

due to a huge huge huge point MoS made. I don't think we can consider any of the vampire claims "cleared" anymore.

[Mariyta]

Actually...

Unvote, Vote Anix

. Reason being, he's the only vampire claim without a name claim as well. Therefore, we don't know his standing in the group, if that makes sense to anyone but me.

[Mariyta]

I missed Anix's claim, so

Unvote

.

As for Dasquin calling me stupid, I disagree.
A) I never said I felt they were more likely to be recruited or there was a restricted recruiting mechanism. I pondered the thought that they maybe could be turned with just a bite, instead of a kill. You clearly didn't even bother to really read what I wrote. Your entire argument doesn't even correspond to what I said....

[Mariyta]

Mariyta, now that you are no longer voting Anix, do you no longer feel Dasquian is worth your vote?

I haven't decided who I feel more comfortable with voting, now that I've thought it through a bit more. Clearly, Dasquin's predecessor was not above reproach, as he was pushed to claiming, and Dasquin hasn't made me feel any better about him being a surefire townie. However, BM has acted scummy all game, and his claim to be Star, in light of what we know now, definately doesn't clear him at all. Also, his claim to be mason doesn't help, since it's an easy claim to make in a cult. Anix still isn't cleared for me either, considering I can see him trying to recruit me despite the cop claim. So at this point, I have no idea where to cast my vote.

As for who I do not think is the cult recruiter... that would be Pooky. He'd revel in the idea too much and I think he'd be much more proactive. But that's just what I get from my experience with him

[Mariyta]

I do not. I don't think we can assume they've decided anything until a) they come out and tell us they were bitten (if they do that, it's kind of obvious they're at least trying to convince us they're town) or b) kill.

[Mariyta]

As for masons, maybe I dont understand masons well enough yet. They are just townies who can vouch for each other as townies, right? they get to talk at night? I dont treat them the same as I treat cops and doctors.

It's highly possible for one mason to be town and one to be scum as well. It doesn't happen extremely often, but it has been the case before. So it's not something we should count out at all.

[Mariyta]

Ecto made a point. If we're looking for "she"s for BM's partner, I think I'm the only real female, and I'm definately not his partner. Therefore, either BM screwed up, or we're looking for a female character. I think I'm going to jump on the pressure wagon.

Vote BM

[Mariyta]

FOS: Arafax and Crub

for being very quiet then dropping votes on cicero.

cicero is abrasive, confrontational and generally rude to everyone he gets in an argument with. Beyond that, though, he's posting a

lot

and seems to be doing his darnedest to actually see us move in a useful direction. I can't see how he would be the right lynch today, when we have a number of lurkers and people who are quite happy to let people like cicero stick their neck on the line.

Many thanks. I'll do my best to be a trifle less "abrasive, confrontational and generally rude to everyone he gets in an argument with." No promises, but I'll make an effort. (after this game, Mariyta's "tard" comment might make it into my sig though. )

I speak only the truth.

[Mariyta]

FOS: Arafax and Crub

for being very quiet then dropping votes on cicero.

cicero is abrasive, confrontational and generally rude to everyone he gets in an argument with. Beyond that, though, he's posting a

lot

and seems to be doing his darnedest to actually see us move in a useful direction. I can't see how he would be the right lynch today, when we have a number of lurkers and people who are quite happy to let people like cicero stick their neck on the line.

Many thanks. I'll do my best to be a trifle less "abrasive, confrontational and generally rude to everyone he gets in an argument with." No promises, but I'll make an effort. (after this game, Mariyta's "tard" comment might make it into my sig though. )

I speak only the truth.

Me too. I'm a tard and you're a shrew. We'd have very difficult babies. Much trouble at school. Maybe we should stop this now.

I consider myself more of a bitch.

[Mariyta]

Sure. This is a complicated story, so bear with me:

• Since I failed last night, we agreed that we should both track/watch the same person.
  I expressed suspicion of BattleMage and Laggalot seconded it, so we chose BattleMage.
  I told Laggalot we should both
  track
  BattleMage so that in case one person was culted, we'd still have an accurate result.
  I then sent in my night action: to
  watch
  BattleMage. I was gambitting here that even if Laggalot was culted, we'd have both a watch and track result, since he wouldn't lie if he thought I had the same result.
  Laggalot informed me that he had sent a
  watch
  action to Flay. Apparently he made a mistake and confused watch with track.
  I rechecked my role PM and asked Flay if we were more likely to succeed if we both targeted the same person, or only if we both performed the same action on the same person, and learned that it was the latter.
  I decided to leave things be to maximize our chances of success since my original plan was unworkable.

How comfortable are you that a) Laggsy wasn't recruited night one, and b) that Laggsy wouldn't lie to you about that little 'mistake'?

[Mariyta]

Ecto made a point. If we're looking for "she"s for BM's partner, I think I'm the only real female, and I'm definately not his partner. Therefore, either BM screwed up, or we're looking for a female character. I think I'm going to jump on the pressure wagon.

Vote BM

Did you just now notice this? I have mentioned BM's "slip" at least twice this game, as far as I can remember.

Ecto had his sign set to pink when I looked, so I assumed he was a girl and some people don't have it set at all. It didn't set off warning signals until he pointed out that he switched on purpose.

[Mariyta]

Ecto made a point. If we're looking for "she"s for BM's partner, I think I'm the only real female, and I'm definately not his partner. Therefore, either BM screwed up, or we're looking for a female character. I think I'm going to jump on the pressure wagon.

Vote BM

Did you just now notice this? I have mentioned BM's "slip" at least twice this game, as far as I can remember.

Ecto had his sign set to pink when I looked, so I assumed he was a girl and some people don't have it set at all. It didn't set off warning signals until he pointed out that he switched on purpose.

It was fairly obvious for a while now that Ecto wasn't a possible partner. I had eliminated any possible females from being BM's partner before this day even started, iirc.

I'd just never thought about it really until now.

[Mariyta]

If I hadn't semi-cleared her myself, I'd so be voting her right now....

[Mariyta]

BM, you're saying it's scummy that I only have results on the night someone else has the same result? That would make sense if the other watcher

WASN'T MY MASON PARTNER

.

Thats not what i'm saying atall. I think its highly 'suspect' that you have a result NOW, when the result is pretty obvious, from the lack of BM dead-ness.

I don't understand this argument at all.

[Mariyta]

Unvote

I'm not ready for a lynch yet, just a partner claim.

[Mariyta]

The more BM talks, the less I believe him, and I'm comfortable with putting him at L-1 now.

Vote: BM

@BM's partner: If you exist, please claim. Not claiming only hurts the town at this point, as we end up lynching yet another townie.

[Mariyta]

I'm NOT BM's buddy... but I guess that was kinda obvious.

[Mariyta]

I will be gone all day, so I will not be able to move my vote around until this evening should it become necessary.

[Mariyta]

I agree with all the posts saying that it didn't need to get this close to lynch. There was clearly enough reasonable doubt to have a mason claim, and it wasn't necessary for HH to wait so long. You're lucky someone didn't get antsy.

Unvote

[Mariyta]

/agree

[Mariyta]

BM annoys me and I think he purposely plays like he does just to piss people off. However, I think we should pursue someone else at this point... who that should be, I have no idea

[Mariyta]

Battle Mage - claimed Mason Star with HH
cicero - claimed Beach Bum w Breadcrumb
Sudo_Nym - has a Cop Innocent. Not Recruiter Cleared
Setael - has a Cop Innocent. Not Recruiter Cleared.
-TinVision- - Claimed Frog Brother co-vig, tracker/watcher
Arafax- claimed Vamp townie, Paul
Dasquian--Vamp townie, Marko
Sir.Laggalot-Claimed Frog Brother co-vig, tracker/watcher
AniX-- Michael Emerson. Townie. No claimed abilities.
Ectomancer - claimed Town side Detector of Cult Recruitor. Won't elaborate.
Mariyta - Cop, half-vampire
Crub-- Not the cult recruiter
Peers--??
Mastermind of Sin--??
HackerHuck - Mason with BM (Laddie?)
Yosarian2--??
PookyTheMagicalBear--??

The Deceased

Fonz--town vamp
Dybeck -- beach bum.

I think this is correct. Please fix it if it's not.
------------------------------------------------------------

Now, for who I think may be scum...
I don't think Pooky would be the cult recruiter. He's being too laid back. From my experience, he's much more active when he's something important. Same goes for Anix. He's playing like he's bored with his role, which leads me to trust the Michael claim.

Now, the two I'm willing to pursue are Peers and Yos. Peers hasn't really done a whole lot, and I never really trusted VitimanR when he was playing (I'm not sure why, I'd have to go back and look and I don't have time to do that right now).
As for Yos, he's always seemed to come in near the top of many people's suspect lists, but always seems to escape prosecution. He might be someone to look at simply because he's pinged so many people's radar. He hasn't pinged mine, but he hasn't pinged my town radar either, so I'm not counting him out.

Vote Peers

[Mariyta]

Probably a good point Cicero.

Maritya, from your post it seems you are on the "pursue the unclaimed" side of the fence?

For now. I don't want to out the doc or rb if we have one, but I don't know what other route to take. Most of the claims look to be fairly decent (one note, Crub is on the list as cleared, but not claimed. I never noticed that before.)

[Mariyta]

And I haven't really been lying low so much as watching the debate... and, while granted it's meta-WIFOM, but still... do you really think the cult recruiter would drop out of sight and need replacing?

Vote: Yos

. Again.

That really depends on the person. Some people refuse to play as scum and always ask to be replaced when they are. I don't know if that's the case with VitaminR, but it's possible.

[Mariyta]

what do you think is to be gained by a mass flavor claim? I don't really see how we can benefit from it, but I can think of a couple reasons scum would benefit.

I agree. We've already seen that flavor doesn't necessarily have anything to do with alignment, and the few that do seem to go along with flavor (ie: me) are highly obvious with what their roles might be. I'd prefer to not out anyone we need in the future just yet.

[Mariyta]

/yawn @ Maritya/Yos

What did I do wrong now?

And by the way, it's Mariyta, not Maritya, which you always seem to type. It's pronounced Ma-ree-ta, if that helps you.

[Mariyta]

No, I think movie-vamps are no different to anyone else, apart from having a unique name-claim that is no indication of alignment. I have no reason to think we would be special cases when it comes to recruitment, etc.

I kind of disagree here. I think it might be possible for the actual vampires to be more suseptible to bites, thus being turned easier. There has to be something keeping the game afloat. I find it hard to believe that Flay would give everyone a choice to be turned.

[Mariyta]

Just a warning: It's getting near to the end of the semester and I have a ton I need to do, so there might be a significant drop in my activity.

[Mariyta]

A) I'm liking my Peers vote more every time he posts;
B) Um, ew? I don't want those images, Ecto. Dirty, dirty boy.

[Mariyta]

A)

Unvote

for now. Not sure if I believe it, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for the moment.

B) Remember, my "clearing" Sudo most likely isn't a full clear. He could easily be the Night 1 recruit.

C) I'm not sure how much faith anyone should put in my investigations here on out. Starting tonight, I get the feeling I'll find out what the 'suffering' is.

[Mariyta]

Some very very good points I didn't think of.

Peers: Can you give us something else to prove your claim? Like, a name, or a scene your character was in? Something to prove to us that you didn't just pull that role out of your ars? (Just got out of Chaucer, had to use it somewhere )

[Mariyta]

#2 - What is that name? People keep saying this but

Mariyta's

role doesn't have a name, nor does the, as implied by posts on the subject, security guard in the film do much of anything. This doesn't play to the strength of "no mayor in the film" as an argument against Peers.

I do have a name. Vernon Beasley.

[Mariyta]

No indication that I have been affected further yet. And since I'm a cop, I was considered "essential." Ecto is clear.

[Mariyta]

I assume Setael is reading into TV's request for BM's info. The implication is there, but why info-fish?

I think you're just trying to attack Setael here. She is not the only one who assumed that's what TinVision meant. She was just maybe the first to say it. If someone makes as blatant a statement as TinVision did, it's not "fishing" to comment on it...

Also, to "pressure" someone, you have to have a reason. Your responses to Pooky make it sound like you're just voting for the sake of voting, and that's lame.

As I've stated before, I don't think this is power-role-Pooky play, but that doesn't rule out the notion that he may have been recruited night 1.

Ecto, I didn't think you were that suspicious; I just wanted to be sure, considering your role.

[Mariyta]

I would prefer no other night actions are revealed until BM ponies up an answer to TinVision's question. Really really really scummy that he's dodged it to this point, but has been generally extremely active. Mason or no, he could easily be A) the cult recruiter, or B) a recruit himself who can bite, but has chosen not to actually kill. (For those of you ready to jump on that last comment, I don't know if that's the way it can work or not. It's just a thought).

[Mariyta]

That was an extreme overreaction... Maybe you need to take a bit of a break if these games are getting to you that bad. You're obviously not having much fun anymore.

[Mariyta]

Setael, I don't believe Pooky's absence has anything to do with that. And no, I do not know what the suffering is. As far as I know, I'm not suffering yet, and I was told I'd find out what it was when the time came.

Laggsy, I haven't been contacted by them yet. I was told by Flay that I could talk to them and they could talk to me, but through him. I didn't try to contact them last night (I forgot I could do that at the time).

BM, if you read Flay's post going to night, it said all "non-essential" roles. I am a cop. Police are considered essential, no matter if it's real life or a game. Your vote is clearly personal and you are simply coming up with lame excuses to justify it.

Now, Ibby makes a really really good point about those of us voting for BM. I do think he is highly suspect based on his actions yesterday regarding the claim, but it may just have been him being a jerk. As such, I'm going to

Unvote

for now. Not placing my vote anywhere yet.

[Mariyta]

Ok, ignore that last part. I'm getting my games with an unreasonable BM confused. I'm going to go unvote him in my other game now.

[Mariyta]

Whatever. I'm done with you. You do this every game. You become a jerk and ruin the game for everyone.

[Mariyta]

I apologize to all the decent people in this game, but I'm done playing. I don't deserve to be talked to the way BM has been talking to me in both of the games we are in.

Replace me please.

[Mariyta]

No. Not simple. Read Mister Flay. He stated non-essential and specifically asked for "any applicable night choices".

Good catch...I don't get it BM...You must admit that you're stretching it here.

That being said, Mari's response does seem "off" to me...BM is scum hunting and seems to be getting under your skin; he is a "mason" remember...If you're the role that you say you are, then you should not be wary of his words against you....Plus the "bitten" thing still makes me curious about you.

No, it's not just this game. I'm in 2 with him, and he's been treating me the same way in both. It goes beyond just what you're reading here. He's made it personal for some reason.

I've said before, I don't know how long you can trust my investigations. From Flay's PMs, I believe I'll know when I'm suffering, but I can't promise that. Honestly, I wouldn't trust myself right now, either, if I wasn't me.

[Mariyta]

Wow. Maybe I was wrong about Pooky.

Vote Pooky

[Mariyta]

In addition, if you had noticed, this conversation is all over whether I would be a

recruit

and not the CR. That is certainly disprovable, though I won't do so today. If I were targeted, we still don't have a kill, which Mariyta's information seem to imply that we need to have had for someone to turn (I'm less convinced by this as we go along, though really, cult recruits last night, if still town and non-essential, shouldn't have been able to go out last night.)

I've always held open the possibility that certain people may not have to kill to be recruited. It would make sense for some people to not have a choice in the matter, while some (maybe power roles) do.

[Mariyta]

And on another note, I don't think Ecto OR cicero are scum.

[Mariyta]

A few reasons have made me suspicious of Pooky (which is a 180 from what I felt just a bit ago).

A) He's actively participating now, which seems to be from pressure, not from an interest in divulging what he knows. This isn't like the Pooky I'm used to. I never saw Pooky as being one who could be pressured into anything. And he kept saying he was lurking because he wanted to gather information, which he clearly doesn't have at this point.

B) He seems to be damn sure of some things the town is just assuming. Like, that the vampires could go out last night, and that there's no reason they should be afraid of Ecto. These assumptions are not ones that I think most townies would have (of course, Ecto said he thought the vamps could go out, but then what would be the point of curfew, except to limit town?)

[Mariyta]

Setael, if Cicero is a half-recruit and hasn't joined the cult yet, he wouldn't know if Pooky was the cult leader, right? So how can his comments about Pooky indicate any connection to the cult if half-recruits don't know who anyone else in the cult is?

Mariyta, how could the cult know any more than us if they should be afraid of Ecto? Only Ecto knows his role, neither us nor the cult would know how his role works, unless Ecto's not who he says he is.

His comment just came off as extremely arrogant to me.

[Mariyta]

If you forgot, I investigated Ecto last night. So if you trust my results that well, you should trust he's cleared.

Ecto, I think I know your role, and if I can figure it out, most others should be able to as well.

[Mariyta]

Correction: Role-name, not role.

[Mariyta]

Not a clue. I got the impression that my investigation was more of a criminal background check. It said he came back clear.

[Mariyta]

Mariyta: We already know what you are, and this is thusly of much less importance, and I trust you enough that I won't care if you ignore me at this point, but would you mind telling the name of your role?

What do you mean name? Role name? Vernon Beasley. Actual role? Security guard. It doesn't actually say cop anywhere (have fun with that bit of info, BM).

[Mariyta]

Ive changed drinking games. Now Every time someone asks Mariyta that question, I drink.

*Puts the hospital and poison control center on speed-dial*

[Mariyta]

Yeah, it couldn't have anything to do with the fact that we're friends outside the game and he realizes he doesn't need to be a jerk to get an answer.

I agree with Ecto. We may end up outing a doc or other power role, but most of the town has already claimed already and it's only hurting us to not know what we're dealing with.

[Mariyta]

OK, I'm back, but on way too little sleep to make some real headway with the 13 pages I just tried to grind through.

Sorry BM, but I'm not really feeling your AniX concerns.

Mariyta's role is starting to really get my head spinning again. I'm still trying to figure out what her results might really mean - cult member, cult recruiter, some other bad-guy role? Now, we've got word that the curfew meant no non-essential personnel were allowed out last night and she still got a result. I'm not going to dig up who mentioned that cops are part of curfews, but we need to remember that Mariyta's ability is investigative, but her role is that of a security guard - at the boardwalk if I recall the movie correctly. I would buy that law enforcement would be out and about, but not a rent-a-cop. Besides, it seems that the law was a little busy telling Ecto that he wasn't allowed out last night.

I don't really see her motive for lying though, but it's got me thinking a little bit more about her role.

I really don't get Ecto's behaviour or his flavour exactly either. Is it the manly charms that give you your role-blocking ability? I can see why you ran your gambit, but I really don't think Cicero or Yos should take a beating for pressing it.

I've not seen enough for me to move from my Pooky vote, but I really need to go back through the last couple of weeks again to get my bearings back.

On the massclaim, I'm leaning more on the side that it would be more harmful than helpful.

Couple thoughts on this:
A) I believe I'm specifically the security guard and not an actual cop because I don't remember there being cops in the movie itself. I might be wrong.
B) Security guards would be the ones to enforce the curfew on the boardwalk, most likely, in such a situation. Maybe if I get a free moment, I'll call up a real police station and ask them (if you can't figure it out, I think we're making too much of the "what would happen in real life?" thing. This isn't real life. It's a game, and the mod has to work with what's available.) Simply put, I was told I was an essential role.
C) WIFOM here, but why would I give away everything I have and lie about being able to investigate last night? It's impossible to prove, but it's illogical and foolish for me to do so.
D) I didn't "tell Ecto" he wasn't allowed out last night. As I already specifically stated, I got the impression my investigation was more of a background check than a physical check. I don't want to post the exact wording (it was so short, I can't figure out how to reword it to make it clear to everyone what exactly it said), but it essentially said Ecto was cleared of any threat.

[Mariyta]

The only connection is that I have cleared both Ecto and Setael from a cop standpoint.

As far as me being the only one to admit to being bitten, can't help ya there. I can't control anyone else and what they choose to do. They may be sitting on the fence right now, or they may have been protected in some way, as far as we know.

[Mariyta]

I'm fine with BM's order.

[Mariyta]

I'm fine with claiming if that's what you want. I admit that I've somewhat overextended myself on the online gaming; I've been reading the game, just not posting.

Yes, it's what we want. Why are you avoiding it?

[Mariyta]

Just poking my head in. I'm comfortable with most of the claims so far. Yos's seemed a bit off to me when I read it, though I can't remember why right now and I don't have time to go back and look. I'll see if I can figure it out later. Going to get my hair cut right now! Yay!

[Mariyta]

MOS, please claim fully.

I was gonna vote Pooky, but I realized I already was. I'm more inclined to believe the only Surf Nazi is a crap claim than Sam Emerson, although Sam being vanilla is hard to believe, too.

[Mariyta]

Just a thought... we assume other recruits have the choice to kill and turn... someone mentioned before there might be some other reason I wasn't fully turned. What if recruits who ARE fully turned don't have to kill? I get the feeling I'm the exception, not the rule. We most likely don't have recruits that are "hanging back and deciding what to do." I think they've already been fully turned and we're dealing with more than just the CR.

[Mariyta]

Ecto's case for Pooky makes sense, but I'm not sure if I believe it enough to remove my vote. From my experience playing as scum, there are often several options for a safe claim. Sometimes they will include both major characters and lesser characters. Depending on how someone is leaning, they could choose the major character and claim a power role, hoping to save themselves, or they could choose the lesser role and claim vanilla.

[Mariyta]

Ok as I have been reading I get the feeling of scum in the pair more and more.

I do think that Eco and Mariyta are scum, probably not the recruiter but recruited definitely.

I don't think it is going to pull through but...

Unvote, Vote: Mariyta

My next target for a lynch will be Ecto if Mariyta is lynched or if I get no support in this lynch.

Agreeing with Ecto and pointing out his case without fully accepting it seems like it's trying to get us to follow it without actually being attached to it. MoS (who I also think is scum but more likely the recruiter) wants us to trust a Mariyta investigation to prove his innocence and (I might be mistaken) but Eco has been defending MoS as well. If the CR gets a one anti lynch, he could be delaying one night to kill one of us frog brothers to reduce the chance of us killing him and then having another turn to recruit without being lynched. with 5 scum and 2 less people the cult would have a huge sway in the voting and would probably win the game. I think getting rid of a prime suspect (in my eyes) is the best course of action.

Either your not paying attention or BM has rubbed off on you... YES, I have been recruited. If you choose to believe that I was fully recruited and not given a choice, that's your prerogative. As for why I was "agreeing" with Ecto, I was asked my opinion. I gave it. I agree that it's plausible, but I'm not sure I buy it yet.

[Mariyta]

Ok, had time to think a bit....

*I don't think MoS is scum of any sort at this point.
*I do get the distinct impression that Dasquin has been recruited and since he's voting Crub, I'm not.
*I'm not 100% comfortable with the surf nazi claim, but the more I think about it, the more I realize Pooky wouldn't have been stupid enough to claim a group not in the game if he really was scum. He would have picked Beach Bum or something (he may be counting on people thinking that, but that would be serious WIFOM).
*I'm NOT ok with lynching Sudo just to see if his ability works on lynch too.
*Looking at the claim list, the least believable claim is Sam Emerson. Yos claimed early enough to be afraid to take one of the possible remaining power roles and he was afraid of being counterclaimed. Sam is one of the "good guys" and I get the impression Yos was relying on that. A better safe claim would have been beach bum.

Unvote, Vote Yos

[Mariyta]

I'm still here, just fyi. I've been trying to keep up, but the posts have been so damn long, and anyone that knows me knows I hate long posts. Plus, I'm on dialup and my time online is severely limited, so I'm not going to waste it reading novels here. I still think Yos is scum. Nothing I've read has changed my mind. In fact, Dasquin's comments have just made me more comfortable in my vote.

[Mariyta]

Setael

Don't think that Mariyta will find the CR guilty? Or don't trust Mariyta?

I

don't think I'll find the CR. I'll find something, but I don't think that's it. In my experience, that's not how cop/cult relations work. Also, I'm guessing the CR would probably be investigation immune anyway, like a godfather or something.

[Mariyta]

Don't trust Yos or Dasquin. I'd lynch either of them.

[Mariyta]

Don't trust Yos or Dasquin. I'd lynch either of them.

Brilliant! Great! So, put in your STV list and I can actually demonstrate who has to compromise where to get a lynch. Then you can argue

that

if you really want.

If I don't trust you, why would I support you making a list to "demonstrate who has to compromise where"?

[Mariyta]

You have mine. Yos, Dasquin.

[Mariyta]

Will Dasquin lynch his CR? Hmm... interesting situation.

[Mariyta]

To answer Adel's first question, I don't know what suffering I've experienced, if any. I assumed that if I didn't kill the first night, I'd start suffering, but I wasn't told anything, so I can't be 100% sure if I'm suffering or not.

On that note, I investigated Pooky. I was told he's not a threat. Take that with a grain of salt, as usual. I can't guarantee any of my results since being bitten.

Which makes investigation results even more interesting.

Mariyta: have you had any contact with your CR? Any messages sent or recieved?

I haven't tried contacting them (I don't see the point), and they haven't sent me anything.

[Mariyta]

I'm not sure how I feel about the Ecto wagon. He's been one of the few people I actually trusted. I'll have to think about what Adel has said.

[Mariyta]

That bleeds of frustrated townie. I believe Ecto.

[Mariyta]

1. Ecto did not know that I was watching Pooky.

No, but he knew you knew he was targetting Pooky.
Mariyta's support of Ecto is troubling.

Why's that? Aside from Adel's claim that he didn't do what he said he would last night (I haven't decided if I trust that or not. Adel could have been recruited, or it's possible that if both of the brothers aren't watching-or was it tracking? I get the 2 actions confused-at the same time, they only see the first person), Ecto's play has been consistent. Plus, I cleared him myself, so I'm more comfortable with him than some others. At this point, I'm leaning strongly toward Dasquin (but that hasn't changed since yesterday).

[Mariyta]

The night Mariyta was bitten, I blocked Crub. I had

planned

to block Crub again before we did the STV deal and had Pooky come up 2nd.

wait, did you confirm him by blocking him night 2, the night maryata was bitten, or not? Why did you plan on blocking him a second time if you had confirmed him night 2?

What am I missing here?

I'm addressing a pet peeve here, since I've seen it every time Adel has spelled my name. It's MARIYTA. Everyone, for some reason I do not understand, pronounces my name Maryata, and that's wrong. If it helps with the spelling, the pronunciation is Mah-Ree-Tah. Take out the Y if you need to.

[Mariyta]

Here's my 2 cents: I still think Dasquin is a most likely recruit. So my vote is going on him. I also think it's highly likely that one of the masons have been recruited, simply because they have a stronger alibi than most others. Ecto doesn't strike me as even remotely scummy, Pooky I'm comfortable with since I just cleared him last night, and Anix is playing like typical bored townie Anix. MoS seems to be playing like I'm used to, and Crub, cicero, Arafax, and Setael aren't pinging any radar for me (but my radar sucks, as has been proven). I'm not feeling Sudo either way.

Vote Dasquin

[Mariyta]

Cicero, do you believe that Michael Emerson could not be a safe-claim?

I dont think that would be as dramatic as Darth Vader safe-claiming Luke Skywalker.

That would be awesome. I want to be Darth Vader now.

[Mariyta]

And if Anix isn't a recruit by now I'd be goddamned shocked.

I'm pretty surprised myself.

The reason I called for a full claim and did "shit all" with it was because I didn't get what I wanted from it, so I added it to my notes and hoped something would come up later, which it still hasn't. I still stand-by that it got the town thinking in such a way that is beneficial to it, in addition to at least locking the CR and family down to a particular role. Limiting scum flexibility is always good times.

I wish someone would say something stupid that nobody else sees so I can jump in, notes in hand, and teach them various lessons. Any recruits or CR(s) want to take me up on the offer?

Something stupid that nobody else sees.

[Mariyta]

OK, thanks. Does that mean Mariyta is out and out lying then?

I don't get how that follows from anything Ecto said. Do you expect the recruits to drink the CR's blood? I'm really confused how you got this logic. The game has clearly shown to not be directly following the movie, so it would make sense to think possible recruits would be bitten instead of handed a glass of wine (note that if we were handed a glass of blood, it would directly implicate Max, and that would make it almost too easy to figure out who's who, thus breaking the game). Could you please clarify where your suspicion lies? 'Cause I don't see it.

[Mariyta]

- Mariyta, what precisely is it that makes you suspect Dasquian? Why do you suspect him more than, say, Setael? Is it because he keeps agreeing with me?

Nope. I believe you're town. He just keeps saying little things that really don't help us at all, like he's trying to seem helpful without actually being helpful. This last thing is just building on that. And I suspect him more than Setael because I cleared Seteal (back when I was sure I could trust my results).

[Mariyta]

I do realize that my investigations may not have been 100%, even from the beginning, but a) I don't believe Flay would put a broken role in the game, so I have to believe I have SOME purpose, b) I'm definitely going to side with those I've investigated over those I haven't because they have a better chance of being innocent (not to mention, I don't see an actual case against Setael, and I see one against Dasquin). If I truly can only find guilties on those who have actually killed, then my role is useless thus far, and I can't fathom Flay doing that.

[Mariyta]

Again, disclaimers that this is a dead subject:

If it's a dead subject, why do you keep bringing it up? You're totally making cases then qualifying them so you don't get called on it if you're wrong. You are so scum.

Maybe you're right, cicero. Maybe I just don't like Ds. Or maybe it's that people whose names start with D just naturally come across as scum.

[Mariyta]

I brought it up once, and of course no one likes to have themselves accused so

of course

everyone I mention wants to defend themselves, and then of course I need to put the record straight, etc. I

should

just drop it, but I'm not going to if there's something left unsaid. I keep saying it's a dead subject because if I don't, some idiot like you will think I am trying to make it a live one.

As far as qualifying it, I'm not saying "please vote him but I don't think he's scum", I'm actually saying the reverse. "I find this person suspicious but they're not the play right now." How is that qualifying them so I don't get called out if I'm wrong? If anything, I'm putting out

more

ways to be wrong, and I'm having trouble making clear which ones are the top of my list. Fuck me, this site really does reward lurking and keeping your trap shut.

Vote AniX please. He's the vote leader, he's not contributing, and he's very possibly a CR.

I love how you revert to namecalling. If you think it's a dead issue, stop bringing it up, genius. It's only a dead issue if you let it lie.

[Mariyta]

I love how you revert to namecalling.

genius.

Cicero may be a tard, but I'm less sure about his actual scumminess.

The genius was intentional (he called me an idiot). And yes, I called you a tard. Just callin' it like I see it.

[Mariyta]

Um, I guess I'm missing the case on MoS. I read through the posts but didn't find anything new. Someone wanna spill the secret?

[Mariyta]

If one of the Frog brothers has been half-recruited, having (or letting) them vig is the worst idea ever. According to the PM, I become a member of the Lost Boys if I make a kill. That means if the Frog brothers vig, and one of them is a half-vampire, they become a full vampire, and thus a member of the Lost Boys. We want to avoid that.

[Mariyta]

One more thing to keep in mind, we don't know HOW people get only half-recruited. We're assuming it's due to a power role, but seeing as I'm the only one who has stepped forward, and we as yet have no kills, that means there are possibly a ton of little half-vampires running around (which I personally find unlikely. I know several people in this game who would have jumped at the chance to join the scum bandwagon). It's possible that there is another reason they weren't able to fully recruit me. Maybe they have a fail chance, similar to the Frog Brothers or something. Ideas?

[Mariyta]

I'm considered a lurker? Seriously?

[Mariyta]

I think Anix is pro-town. This is not typical "I have a somewhat interesting role that isn't just plain vanilla townie" play. He tends to lurk more when he's vanilla, not really playing for anything special.

[Mariyta]

Sorry. I'm being stubborn again. Dasquin is the right lynch. He's so obviously a recruit.

[Mariyta]

I seriously hate this game now

i dont know if i am losing to a bunch of people who don't give a shit or if it's an elaborate plan conocted to make them look like they don't give a shit.

but with their play history it really could go either way.

Amen to that. Throw in a few annoying bastards who are convinced I am a recruit, but refuse to add anything more other than just squawking it louder, and you're getting the Dasquian Perspective.

Someone else can hammer MoS. Or three more people can help us lynch AniX. Or if anyone else wants to get Sudo_nym lynched, I'll join that bandwagon too. I dare say there are a few other plays I will be happy to support. But that's me, I'm done fighting for today.

I'm a girl. Therefore, not a bastard.

[Mariyta]

According to my investigation, Dasquian is not a threat to the town. However, I finally received a PM on my suffering. Since I haven't killed, my results only have a 50% chance of being correct.

[Mariyta]

I figure it's this investigation as well, since it was timestamped prior to my investigation results. He didn't specifically say that though.

[Mariyta]

Eh, I'm still convinced Anix isn't playing like he has an interesting role. However, I have no idea who else it could be.

[Mariyta]

What kind of rule are you talking about? That sounds... fishy.

[Mariyta]

What kind of rule are you talking about? That sounds... fishy.

Are you allowed to target yourself?

Why would you want to target yourself?

[Mariyta]

That makes a lot of sense... but it begs the question: why didn't they share that with us? Are they planning on joining the cult? Adel? Laggsypoo?

[Mariyta]

TCS, Sudo, Ecto, Pooky, Dasquian (I think that's the order it went).