SMITE Role Madness Mafia (OVER AT LAST!)

[Espeonage]

Things I will do.
1. Not read the thread.
2. Try to play my way in to the game like I did Capcom.
3. Request a detailed gamestate wall from Andy and MS because I like them and they both posted recently.
4. Maybe read these walls.
5. Ask that people hold off on the hammer until closer to deadline if they can. We have been given an extension, so I would like to do this to get in to the game.

Things I will not do.
1. Engage meaningfully until I have my bearings. This is a complicated game from the look of it with a heap of content out there already. I am not the type of player that will dive in just because you guys want stuff to happen.

Just for the record, I don't really have the time for a large, but I'm going to do it anyway because I like the playerlist and Dram needed it, so if I ask for some concessions for a bit please be obliging.

Thank you.

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Can you not do this right now.

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We have over 5 days.

I need that time to get in to the game.

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What part of I'm not going to read the thread skipped past you?

When I replace in to a game with lots of pages, I get in to the game by talking and develop reads from the point I replaced in from.

Do not end the day phase before I can actually be a part of the game.

Andy, chat to me.

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@MS: We should chat if you can. You are completely town as far I am concerned atm.

[Espeonage]

Andy, why you not talk to me or give summary?

[Espeonage]

Ah, ok, misunderstood what you meant.

Anyone able to give me a summary?

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I don't think I can.

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Ok, this is going to take some doing. I am way over my head.

I beseech you two to not end the day.

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Beseech is a fucking strong word if you are wondering.

OMFG

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I will fucking end both of you, what the fuck was that.

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I BESEECHED YOU.

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I WILL NOT READ THE GAME.

That was the whole fucking point.

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I am legit fucking mad. Andy, you are fucking better than this.

Falcon is official in my done with forever pile. You better be scum, because making me waste all my efforts lynching you better be for something I swear to fucking god.

[Espeonage]

Hopefully that was a hammer. @ Esp, there's always the next day and you can interact with people in the neighborhood overnight. There's a point in days when productive discussion stops and we learn nothing more from it. Everyone who showed up said they either wanted to replace out or had nothing to add. I didn't feel that you "interacting" with people at this point would be a whole lot of help for the town beyond creating a ton more pages to read.

WHAT THE FUCK KIND OF EFFECT DO YOU THINK A REPLACEMENT HAS ON A GAME.

A good replacement breathes life into a stagnant state and thats one of the few things I can actually do if I care enough.

But I should thank you. I'm now invested in the game. You are fucking hanging tomorrow.

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if you couldnt portal me then there wasnt anything left to do

I played in to capcom, I could have done the same thing here. There is so much to consume that I need time in thread to sift through and they purposefully took that opportunity away.

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I WILL NOT READ THE GAME.

That was the whole fucking point.

Then what do you need the time for? D:
Also don't loverize me tonight I will feel bad coming home to you with blood on my hands. Even with scumblood I cannot bear to touch you with soiled hands.


predit: man it hurts in my heart
I don't particularly regret what ive done
only that I have offended thee
who art good and deserving of my love

TO PLAY IN TO THE GAME.
I will see what I can do but I'm mad right now and it's directed half to you right now, so don't expect much.

PEDIT: @f16, if you fucking took 5 minutes to look at capcom after I mentioned it, YOUD FUCKING KNOW WHAT I WANTED TO DO.

Don't even fucking start.

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@Andy No, f16 can die. His fallout is so much worse than yours.

I might chill with you, I need to sort you out, this is kind of game that would work with a cross neighbourhood bloc and I would love for you to be town.

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Thanks, you should thank caled.

Bitmap evidently left out I can't do the same person twice in a row. But we can chill again sometime.

Pedit: I have the old chat.

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@f16, if you fucking took 5 minutes to look at capcom after I mentioned it, YOUD FUCKING KNOW WHAT I WANTED TO DO.

Don't even fucking start.

Why would you be incapable of doing this tomorrow when there are actually lynch options beyond the three that are there today?

Because I have a fucking ability to use.
Because it gives me wider context for talking with my neighbours.
Because it's fucking polite.

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Nacho can't manipulate me one on one if I'm focused. In a full thread where I'm over my head then yeah, but one on one is different.

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Because I have a fucking ability to use.

If that's the case I understand your frustration. You should have mentioned something though and I would have waited. The way it seemed, it felt you were just going to increase signal/noise ratio in the game. I was pretty pissed off about how D1 ended for similar reasons.

What part of a simple request to wait is so fucking difficult to listen to?

Where is the fucking respect for a request that has no bearing. Andy at least gave a reason to do what he did, you've just gone, "O welps"

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No meaningful discussion?

I JUST REPLACED IN YOU DOLT.
What part of interacting with a new person is a bad idea?

PEOPLE CAN GET A READ ON ME TOO. Maybe I want to talk to people and have people trust me. Maybe that's THE ENTIRE CORE OF MAKING A GOOD TOWN IN A LARGE THEME. MAYBE YOU'RE A SCUMFUCK AND NEED DEATH.

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Allergic to bullshit.

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Ok, wait a second.

How the fuck does Tammy have anything to do with what is going on right now?

How?

The slot hasn't posted in the game thread or the neighbourhood since I replaced in, so where the fuck does that shit fuck of a deflection have any merit.

You can die. You can die so fucking much. I have no grasp on Ozgin right now, but I want to lynch you. I want to lynch you so fucking much.
And to fucking think that I was going to give you the time over day to listen to what you had to say over the night phase and reserve proper judgement to tomorrow. Fuck you.

I want you dead immediately.

For the record, as far as I could tell you are townreading her too. So idek wtf you're on.

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What the fuck did I replace in to.

Vote: f-16

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If flacon has been like this all game I have no idea how he is not on everyone's blacklists.

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Well, that was fucking stupid.

- We're not lynching FT apparently
- We can't lynch Oz because his lover Cephrir is town who wants to use his ult today. I also read Oz as town.
- Therefore, we can lynch TD. Dram doesn't have a to find a replacement.

Esp, you still want to catch up? I'm all for waiting.

Also, this day could have gone SO much better if farside and Falcon had just outright claimed their abilities. We could have lynched two suspicious players.

pls yes. Busy day today and tomorrow. (Uni just started.)
But I'm happy to chat when I am online.

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ooba is highly scum suspect so you might want to be careful with that

Noted, but why would that make it a less useful conversation?

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Ok misread your implications.

How are you MS? Do you reckon I can trust Andy?

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The whole "we're not lynching Ozgin because Ceph dies too" argument is totally and utterly stupid.

As an impartial party at the moment, it's actually bad from a purely maths standpoint. Especially when we have a game as large as this and we can easily put a lynch off for a single day without too much adverse effects. The only thing we are gambling on is in the case Ogzin is scum, is it a PR that is going to ruin tonight?

If there is reasonable doubt (hint: there is) that he is even scum, or that he has a great role, then he's not a good lynch target.

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FT is coming off really self preservationist.

Imma join here,

Vote: FT

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Esp, what're your reads on Ozgin and Cephrir? They've both been self preservationist -- so is there some reason you're voting me instead of them?

Don't have them. I didn't particularly like what I've seen from Cephrir but I already gave an explaination of why they shouldn't be lynched together from my viewpoint.

2714, 2723 are both pretty bad, re: self preservation. Nor is your insistence of pushing the dying wagon on Ozgin after explaination has happened. Also the subtle discounting of your wagon and saying it's between TD and No lynch gives me bad feels.

[Espeonage]

Outgoingness under immediate pressure seems like something that will expose it's mentality later.

I have no interest in lynching zelink at this point.

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Also Magua, you know you love me man.

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No it didn't. I got a link to our portal, but that was in a separate later PM.

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By later, a few minutes later. Dram could have easily forgotten.

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I like you.

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It's hilarious.

Zelink should play survivor.

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That's a good idea and everyone voting him probably needs to do it, especially if they haven't read the thread Espeonage.

We're in a good enough position, and seemingly have enough vigs, that we should be able to get away with a no lynch.

nah we're bloodthirsty

As a general rule, I dislike no lynches.

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Yeah, I should probably clariy something I said in the hood in main thread.

It's not that I think FT is scum, it's that he is less town than zelink and I am against Ozgin for other reasons previously mentioned.

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Please explain for the uninitiated

adrokable was scum in Capcom. Gave me bad vibes. Death note asked for day-vig possibles - I suggested adorkable - Deathnote agreed and shot him. Confirmed both of us - I was a mislynch possibility till that time but had to night killed that night because of the town cred.

Regarding Esp.
- I thought Bitmap's posting was really effy (if you remember the 'I don't like that wagon because Bitmaps on it')
- Esp. voting FT this day actually fit the bill of 'scum trying to off a fairly universal town read'. Esp. couldn't have read the thread by then to form concrete opinions on Oz\TD\FT - so it might have come from his scum thread.

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Cephrir, yes.

Ooba, do you have a case on me or just being lazy?

I'm being lazy - it boils down to 'I can see you being part of the scum team I have in my head'. Also I never liked Brantz.

I have given reasons for why I think Zelink and Ozgin are both bad lynches. Where did I say FT was scum?

[Espeonage]

We had a chat earlier about the hoods overall, and we are in the process of testing a theory.

However we did get told very clearly by Dram to respect his fertile mind. And I have a personal theory that given the power that everyone seems to have that we actually have a type of hidden smalltown thing going. Which I think is probably the easiest non-arbitrary way of doing it. And it fits with the theory being tested.

Regardless, using neighbourhoods for scum hunting is bad.

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OMFG just shoot someone.

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The waiting feels like posturing to try and get an 'accepted' kill close enough to deadline to avoid being lynched.

Which has moved me from a read of best of the bunch to probs scum.

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The is no motivation for FT as town to have not just taken the shot by now. The only reason to wait this long is because it serves two purposes for scum.
1. Brings deadline closer, to a point where it might be too hard to push through the lynch.
2. Allows for FT to find out who an accepted target is so that when the person that dies is town, FT can try to avoid being lynched by playing the "I did what you want me to" card.

Neither of those make me feel good.

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Unvote, Vote: No Lynch

Don't really have any more time online before deadline so any questions you have I'll get too when I get back to the thread.

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Ok, pissed off.

First you guys decide to lynch town, Andy and I were getting bloody pissed off and waiting until we could come back and get the hell rid of that wagon. Andy provided a compelling argument for why Ank was town and I accepted that.
Second you guys don't even let us do that. You go and bloody make the lynch when there is still ages on the clock and two people who have fucking opinions.
Thirdly, whoever the fuck shot Andy, and I doubt it was scum, needs to get their head out of their arse. Why the fuck would you shoot someone that had just spent two phases with someone to try and get a handle on the player. I was intending to come in here to a fucking happy place and be able to reign terror with Andy, and honestly a dead Andy is wind out of my sails.

Now mastin, fucking tell me something that can improve my mood or I will push Andy's number 1 wanted lynch in his honor.

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It wasn't happy happy. I didn't even tell him I went from scum reading him to town reading him. He might have told you about my zelink read though.

[Espeonage]

Ok here's the thing.

I was straight up (Well he asked early) with Andy that I didn't trust him and let him say stuff. I took it as an opportunity for him to try and obv town and chat the game a bit. I was unresponsive for most of the time, but I got the impression he was townreading me. As Ank was getting closer to lynch, he started going on about how Ank was doing things that he could only see town Ank doing, emotive kind of tells, and I figured that given the gas Andy was under before he came in to the portal with me for him to not just leave well enough alone (he knew we weren't far from coming back to thread as I'd told him it was half day) was a big big town tell.

I did not divulge this to Andy.

What I did do with Andy was tell him that I was having second thoughts about Zelink. But that deserves another post. (it's like a mood thing backed by weird stances)

When I got back to my hood I didn't say much just answered Zelink's questions. I believe I told them I was putting Andy in my town pile, and that I was unhappy with Zelink.

My intention today was to come out, declare my Andy town read, which coupled with the assumption that Andy was townreading me which he implied in portal, we could reign terror.

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I don't see the bad guys killing Andrius. It's as simple as that.

i do
and it is as simple as that

also, how do you balance multiple day kills?

give scum a day commute. that's what

no that's dumb

It's not even a day commute.

However on that note, probs going to have a 1v1 with Zelink, MS (because request) or one of the mastinhood.

[Espeonage]

I'dlike to see what happens to the town without your influence for a while.

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You know you're the one that I want.

Did mollie tell you that she was having a hard time reading me in a game so she was threatening to flirt with me to get me to slip one way or the other?

[Espeonage]

You've hurt me in a way that I've never been hurt before and I think if I'm ever hurt in such a way again I won't be able to love anymore

I need you to be able to love (me). I'm sorry.

[Espeonage]

You know you're the one that I want.

Did mollie tell you that she was having a hard time reading me in a game so she was threatening to flirt with me to get me to slip one way or the other?

Awe!

I would never use my feminine wiles for something as devious as that, gorgeous.

Oh, stop it.

(Don't)

[Espeonage]

prodge,

I've read like none of today.

Has mastin done anything?

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I am well out of this game at the moment.

I apologise.

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Someone bring me up to date. My neighbourhood is as hard to read as the main thread right now.

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I told you you could ask whatever questions you wanted in the neighborhood. Though you apparently never read that.

TL;DR A few people want to lynch TSO, a couple people want to lynch pikari, a couple people don't want to lynch anyone, and a third of the game isn't here.

The thing has a posting rate only marginally slower than the main thread.

[Espeonage]

Well I'm sick. I site flaked a different site so I can devote at least some time to MS. And I can't for the life of me concentrate on a game as heavy as this one.

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Ok, I like dancing under certain circumstances.

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wtf tags

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Dram I demand you fix this or tell me what I did wrong.

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Ok, I like dancing under certain circumstances.

Ha worked it out.

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So I'm not caught up, but my vote should be somewhere and as discussed in the hood, mastin's claim doesn't clear her as she said it would.

Vote: Mastin

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So I'm not caught up, but my vote should be somewhere and as discussed in the hood, mastin's claim doesn't clear her as she said it would.

Vote: Mastin

Goddammit.

Now my vote will appear as if it was omgus.

But swear to the gods, had no clue Esp had posted this.

...Still holds, though. It just felt like the right thing to do, when Esp was posting earlier with all that fluff.

I love you hun.

Also yeah I'm posting nothing but fluff. I'll play my way in to the game at some point. I am slowly jettisoning off some stuff so I can concentrate on mafia.

[Espeonage]

I really think Metal Sonic is scum. Along with the things I mentioned earlier, there's his very early decision that our neighborhood is all town. IMO that decision was made before he really could know because of the limited interactions. In the neighborhood, MS has been trying to direct the play of the others in the hood. He got very mad at TWIE when he replaced in because TWIE also thought MS looked scummy. He did threaten to day-vig TWIE in the hood. I also feel his "guaranteeing" me as town was to get me to feel ingratiated to him.

I am also suspicious of Heartless and Mastin. Verzok was a town read for me that has slipped lately due to his interactions with MS.

I feel Zelink is town. He's put forth a lot of effort to solve the game and generate content. I feel TWIE is town based on his play in the game thread and comments in the neighborhood. Imperium is also town based on play. I was town-reading bitmap and I haven't seen enough of Espeonage to determine if I should continue town-reading that slot. TAOS was scummy to me earlier in the game. It bothered me that we could never seem to get him lynched because I can't figure out why. (I guess the same could be said about me. Everyone is scum reading me so why the hell haven't I been lynched yet. lol)

Just a point on MS. MS has that superiority thing and likes to run games regardless of alignment, but he prefers to do it as town even more so, so if anything that is a town point on him.

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Nah, I was referring directly to the point of directing the hood.

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You seem very confrontational. Are you stressed?

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O wait nvm I see the self vote.

pls direct hate away from the pretty spy kitty avatar.

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It doesn't automatically win at LyLo. My plan was to create a scenario where I was online along with someone I felt strongly was scum, somehow derp into self-voting, get them to hammer, ask them 2 or 3 of their scum members, which would create multiple consecutive scum lynches.

This seems like the least thought-out plan I've ever seen.

Ignoring all possibilities where it's mostly town involved in your lynch or possibilities where scum don't tell you this information (eg all scenarios in a role madness game where scum aren't brain-dead), this fails simply because in, for example, a 4:3 LyLo, if your lynch ends the day then scum could potentially kill anyone but you and outright win via numbers, barring shenanigans preventing a night kill or killing one of them.

Yeah he doesn't end the day. The plan was sound.

I don't know why people don't get why I don't trust you. You so headstrong.

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Did TSO get lynched yet zz

Ok why aren't you reading? You always read.

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In struggle town.

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There was a push on me?

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Magua, who are you voting? I'll vote them.

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I doubt TSO is lying about the ability portion of his role, the town part might be wrong.

So ergo, we need to wagon elsewhere.

Vote: Ooba

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Good luck trying to lynch me.

Vote: TSO

Don't see anything in the mod post saying this can't happen - could be a simple vote reset power [Chronos and all] - worth trying out.

What is even the point of doing that outside of wasting time? There is going to be more scum than just TSO so why not take a stab elsewhere avoid wasting time?

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Vezok did the thing.

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dodge

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That's a bit of a turn around magua. Anything in particular or just the general lurkfest read?

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Things like, you fixating on the fact that I'm calling you scummy rather than saying which of my other scumreads you agree / disagree with.

I'm not saying I'm not playing exactly as described, however it's in contrast to your thoughts on my (tbf meager) efforts earlier in the game. There is usually a catalyst for turnarounds, I just feel in the dark and at the moment, pending stuff

tm

it's just something I noticed mostly because it pertained to me and seems out of nature for you.

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It should be noted that I think you are town, but you've just made me paranoid with the swing around.

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I'm probably missing some steps but I garnered that much of the heat on Heartless was relational to TSO. But the wagon is out of nowhere.

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Espe, who are you scum reading now? BTW, you mentioned in 7190, you mention some issues with Zelink but I don't see anything in your ISO where you lay out a case. Also, who was Andy's #1 lynch want?

In order; No one really, I'm setting it aside because when I have a chance my hood will probably help me back in to the game, mastin.

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What mentality is behind ooba saying it's a bad idea?

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Das me

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clue me in

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you

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Espe, give me a direction to start.

Ooba, that is a good point.

Heartless, go for it!

I meant in regards to what you were asking about.

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-.- Dude I get what you're asking. I don't know what heartless claimed or what action happened.

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well I still am living by the theory that roles were assigned before alignments. So I don't see any reasonf or anyone to have lied about alignemnt.

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ebwop: Lied about role

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It's in MS's character to try and get himself completely cleared so like it's a possibility, but probs unlikely at this point.

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Been hella sick.

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Espeonage, you ruined your try to go two weeks without posting!

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Also, I disbelieve. You've got at least 75 posts on site since your last post in the thread. It seems to me like you were just avoiding this thread.

I have higher priorities.

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@Espeonage: How come you didn't kidnap anyone yesterday? How come when Bitmap kidnapped Metal, they returned at the start of the next Day, but when you kidnapped Andrius you returned at the start of the next Night?

Because hood told me not to.
Bitmap's kidnap was activated in day phase, my kidnap on Andy was activated in night phase.

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Just to clarify, if you guys had taken longer to lynch Andy and I would have returned during the day at the halfway point of the deadline timer.

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Also of course you posting within two hours indicates that you're at least somewhat aware of and reading the game. Which makes me itch.

?

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If ms shoots I can hood him so he is safe for the night phase.

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@Zelink, haven't been following thread at all, came back to thread because of prods. Was vaguely following hood but then kinda didn't the last day or two.

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Hi, I am around. Higher priorities that require more immediate attention but I will get to this.

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I don't really care tbh. I think it should probably be someone, but then don't tell anyone not even at the end of the day. Just take a stab at it.