Jack of All Trades Mafia -- OVER!
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ThAdmiral Jack of All Trades
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ThAdmiral Jack of All Trades
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Finally finished reading through.
I don't like quagmires attitude, especially his seeming lack of concern for the events of the game.
His predecessor, harry potter, didn't seem to contribute that much, a flying under the radar type.
I want to vote him, but that would be the end of day, and potentially could lose the game. If anyone has anymore comments post them now. I plan to vote him in a day or two.-
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ThAdmiral Jack of All Trades
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@MoS: Logically I think quagmire's scumbuddy's are coron and thok, since they haven't voted him yet.
Quite simply if quagmire was town and there was a scum yet to vote they would just do it, right? (This would mean mafia win I believe)
That is unless all three mafia have already voted him, but I find that hard to believe since two of the people I most trust to be town (MoS, and STD) are ones voting.
More likely is that quagmire is scum and the people not voting yet are his scum-partners (except me, cause I'm ready to drop the hammer).
It is possible, however, that a mafiate jumped on the wagon thinking it was a lost cause, ready to throw their partner under a bus to look more pro-town. If this is the case I believe SV is scum and thok is town.-
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ThAdmiral Jack of All Trades
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ThAdmiral Jack of All Trades
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ThAdmiral Jack of All Trades
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ThAdmiral Jack of All Trades
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ThAdmiral Jack of All Trades
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ThAdmiral Jack of All Trades
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well for one thing alot of what we are discussing here is based on assumptions. If quagmire ends up being town (I doubt it but anyway) then all this discussion will pretty much be wasted. If he is we take it from there.
If you want to talk about other stuff, like moving offices or something, thats probably a good idea.-
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Well I'm going to go ahead avote: coron.
Save the dragons: if you believe me and coron are scum then you have nothing to lose by putting your money where your mouth is and voting him as well. Just saying.
(And before anyone asks, no I haven't done the read through yet to dig up dirt on coron, but I will if you feel I absolutely have to. I was planning to then I remembered it was 79 pages...)-
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Coron wrote:
Turns into almost 2 weeks.ThAdmiral wrote: I want to vote him, but that would be the end of day, and potentially could lose the game. If anyone has anymore comments post them now. I plan to vote him in a day or two.
Well, someone (I think Thok) asked me not to hammer so I delayed.
this is ridiculous.ThAdmiral wrote:@MoS: Logically I think quagmire's scumbuddy's are coron and thok, since they haven't voted him yet.
Not really. Anyway I prefixed that statement with "logically" i.e. logically I think this, but what I really think is this.
I've explained why this is scummy.ThAdmiral wrote:Quite simply if quagmire was town and there was a scum yet to vote they would just do it, right? (This would mean mafia win I believe)
That is unless all three mafia have already voted him, but I find that hard to believe since two of the people I most trust to be town (MoS, and STD) are ones voting.
Was that because you took from it that I had intrinsic information about the makeup of the mafia? As I said: I didn't, I was just guessing due to the size of the game.
Yup, sounds like you.ThAdmiral wrote:It is possible, however, that a mafiate jumped on the wagon thinking it was a lost cause, ready to throw their partner under a bus to look more pro-town. If this is the case I believe SV is scum and thok is town.
This is the "but what I really think is this" section. Once again it relies on there being two scum left, which may or may not be true.-
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Mystery Meat of Doom night targets
Night 1: Switches ibaesha (Jack Johnson) with SpamWise (Jack Quinn)
Night 2: Switches MrBuddyLee (Jack Nelson) with the silent speaker (Jack Fox)
Night 3: No choice submitted
Night 4: Switches Yosarian2 (officeless) into the empty office of Jack Gallagher
Night 5: Switches spectrumvoid (Jack Irving) into the empty office of Jack Kay
On night 5, MMOD was switched into a new office with a new role: Jack zimmerman-
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After having a look at voting histories (both of Coron and MoS) I am now very confused.
They read as such at the end of each day:
Legend -
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day - voted for - player lynched
DNV= did not vote
Darkred= scum aligned
Orange= a town lynch the player was involved in= a scum lynch the player was involved in
Green I's
Coron
Day 1 - Spamwise - Bogre
Day 2 -DNV-Bluemonick
Day 3 -DNV- babyjesus
Day 4 -Mathcam - Mathcam
Day 5 -IIFuldu-FulduII
Day 6 -Uraj - Uraj
Day 7 -DNV- No one
Day 8 - ThAdmiral -Quagmire
Day 9 -DNV- Spectrumvoid
MoS
Day 1 - Spamwise - Bogre
Day 2 - Armlx -Bluemonick
Day 3 -Babyjesus - Babyjesus
Day 4 - Mrbuddylee - Mathcam
Day 5 - Ces -Fuldu
Day 6 -DNV- Uraj
Day 7 -Quagmire- No one
Day 8 -IIQuagmire-QuagmireII
Day 9 -Spectrumvoid - Spectrumvoid
Here is some analysis:
- Both of you have been involved in two town lynches each. Of these however I would only say the Spectrumvoid lynch by MoS was the only one that any of you had any real responsibility for, as MoS pushed fairly strongly for that one.
- Both of you have also been involved in the lynch of a scum. Coron's vote swing to fuldu was instrumental in his lynch, but could coron have guessed it may have happened anyway, and jumped on board early to gain town cred (he didn't provide any reason for his switch, for instance)? Quagmire's lynch was heavily pushed for by MoS, but could it have been a set up that one of the two remaining scum would throw the other under a bus to gain town cred? I don't really think either of these situations are likely to be honest: Coron could well have let things run it's course with fuldu, and there was a period where MoS and quagmire were the only one's voting and could have teamed up instead and perhaps won the game. If anything I think the MoS/quag teammate-under-bus-plan is slightly more likely though.
- The one stat that you differ in is times-not-voted. Coron failed to vote four times, and MoS only failed to vote once. I think that is fairly damming in my eyes: it is lurkish and it means that there is less to go on for players to analyze later in the game (like now).
If anything this tips me towards still voting for coron, but I can't completely look past his vote for fuldu that helped condemn a mafiate.-
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ThAdmiral Jack of All Trades
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ThAdmiral, obviously there was not a 5-person mafia, or the game would be over. That's not the point, though. Do you now contend that there was simply a 4-person mafia instead of 2 2-person mafias? That is the only way that votes in relation to Fuldu and bluemonick can possibly mean anything.[/quote]
I don't know anymore. Based on how many kills there were on some nights, followed up by a lack of that many kills in subsequent nights what would you say? Do you think 4 person mafia with another killing role that wasn't always used or 2 2 person mafias where sometimes one team didn't send in a kill?-
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I don't know anymore. Based on how many kills there were on some nights, followed up by a lack of that many kills in subsequent nights what would you say? Do you think 4 person mafia with another killing role that wasn't always used or 2 2 person mafias where sometimes one team didn't send in a kill?Mastermind of Sin wrote:ThAdmiral, obviously there was not a 5-person mafia, or the game would be over. That's not the point, though. Do you now contend that there was simply a 4-person mafia instead of 2 2-person mafias? That is the only way that votes in relation to Fuldu and bluemonick can possibly mean anything.
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ThAdmiral Jack of All Trades
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