Jack of All Trades Mafia -- OVER!

[ThAdmiral]

Yeah, I'm here. Just reading through still.

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progress report: about halfway through. Back to reading...

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Finally finished reading through.

I don't like quagmires attitude, especially his seeming lack of concern for the events of the game.

His predecessor, harry potter, didn't seem to contribute that much, a flying under the radar type.

I want to vote him, but that would be the end of day, and potentially could lose the game. If anyone has anymore comments post them now. I plan to vote him in a day or two.

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@MoS: Logically I think quagmire's scumbuddy's are coron and thok, since they haven't voted him yet.

Quite simply if quagmire was town and there was a scum yet to vote they would just do it, right? (This would mean mafia win I believe)
That is unless all three mafia have already voted him, but I find that hard to believe since two of the people I most trust to be town (MoS, and STD) are ones voting.

More likely is that quagmire is scum and the people not voting yet are his scum-partners (except me, cause I'm ready to drop the hammer).

It is possible, however, that a mafiate jumped on the wagon thinking it was a lost cause, ready to throw their partner under a bus to look more pro-town. If this is the case I believe SV is scum and thok is town.

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I assume there would be 5 mafia due to the size of the game. Is that unreasonable?

On the people I think are scum and the people I think are town: these are based on my overall feeling after reading through the game.

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Ok, maybe I jumped to conclusions. I'll have to rethink things a bit...

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I don't remember unvoting quagmire.

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Oh, right!

Sorry, I just got confused when I saw he only had two votes on him, but then I remembered mos unvoted him.

@Thok: seeing as you are trying to deduce who quagmire's scum partner is, do you have any lead suspects?

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vote: quagmire

Well, I've already said I'm happy to lynch him. I don't see why we're not just voting him now when we all pretty much agree he's scum.

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well for one thing alot of what we are discussing here is based on assumptions. If quagmire ends up being town (I doubt it but anyway) then all this discussion will pretty much be wasted. If he is we take it from there.

If you want to talk about other stuff, like moving offices or something, thats probably a good idea.

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Well I'm fairly suspicious of coron for fairly obvious reasons. I'm going to go do a read through to a) see if I can dig up any more dirt on coron and b) to look at how players interacted with quagmire through the game.

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Well I'm going to go ahead a

vote: coron

.

Save the dragons: if you believe me and coron are scum then you have nothing to lose by putting your money where your mouth is and voting him as well. Just saying.

(And before anyone asks, no I haven't done the read through yet to dig up dirt on coron, but I will if you feel I absolutely have to. I was planning to then I remembered it was 79 pages...)

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I don't buy into the whole whoever wants a short day is scum, and whoever wants a long day is town stuff. I've seen many, many games where a mafiate kept saying: "wait, lets talk about this a bit more", and vice versa.

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@ mos: well said and fair enough.

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He didn't vote for quagmire yesterday, and he seems to be going after me with little or no evidence. It seems like he's just picked the person who replaced the previous lurking/inactive guy because he's a soft target.

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What's mos-faire?

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Prod received!

I'm still happy with my vote, although if anyone wants to ask me any questions about anything, feel free.

Right now I don't think I would participate in an sv lynch but I may be able to be convinced.

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I want to vote him, but that would be the end of day, and potentially could lose the game. If anyone has anymore comments post them now. I plan to vote him in a day or two.

Turns into almost 2 weeks.

Well, someone (I think Thok) asked me not to hammer so I delayed.

@MoS: Logically I think quagmire's scumbuddy's are coron and thok, since they haven't voted him yet.

this is ridiculous.

Not really. Anyway I prefixed that statement with "logically" i.e. logically I think this, but what I really think is this.

Quite simply if quagmire was town and there was a scum yet to vote they would just do it, right? (This would mean mafia win I believe)
That is unless all three mafia have already voted him, but I find that hard to believe since two of the people I most trust to be town (MoS, and STD) are ones voting.

I've explained why this is scummy.

Was that because you took from it that I had intrinsic information about the makeup of the mafia? As I said: I didn't, I was just guessing due to the size of the game.

It is possible, however, that a mafiate jumped on the wagon thinking it was a lost cause, ready to throw their partner under a bus to look more pro-town. If this is the case I believe SV is scum and thok is town.

Yup, sounds like you.

This is the "but what I really think is this" section. Once again it relies on there being two scum left, which may or may not be true.

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By the way I don't think it has been mentioned but would it be useful to tell you what my predecessor did in terms of night-targets?
And I can't remember but do we know what all the offices do?

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Mystery Meat of Doom night targets

Night 1: Switches ibaesha (Jack Johnson) with SpamWise (Jack Quinn)
Night 2: Switches MrBuddyLee (Jack Nelson) with the silent speaker (Jack Fox)
Night 3: No choice submitted
Night 4: Switches Yosarian2 (officeless) into the empty office of Jack Gallagher
Night 5: Switches spectrumvoid (Jack Irving) into the empty office of Jack Kay

On night 5, MMOD was switched into a new office with a new role: Jack zimmerman

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Doubleposting is a scum tactic.

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@SV: do you not notice that coron has been trying to get more activity ever since you said MoS is pro-town for doing so. He is obviously playing to not get your vote.

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perhaps he was clever enough to not make it too obvious, and so waited a few days.

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Wait a second I pushed and voted for quagmire and coron didn't.
I know that's not proof, I know I could have been bussing, but surely it's got to count for something.
Just why do you think I'm scummier than coron?

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I'm here.

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I'm not sure about spectrumvoid.
If it comes down to me or SV, though obv I would choose SV.

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I was 100% anti-coron yesterday and not much has changed. The lynch result doesn't look that great for you MoS, but I don't like how coron has basically sat out two days in a row.

Even though I'm lazy I will actually do a total readthrough now that we know nearly everyone's alignment.

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There's no way to prove this, obviously, but I would have killed mos if I was scum.

If MoS is scum then you've played an excellent game. That's all I can say.

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He seems to be to be the most likely town in my eyes.
I do realize he's been around for ages and could just be playing well, but that's how I feel.

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He was just lurking more.

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I think the point is that I'm not scum.
Maybe you're right, if I was scum maybe I would have thought about the things like who was more likely to vote for who etc. Like you have.

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I'm attempting to do a reread, mainly of voting patterns, but I have limited computer access.
It may take me a few days.

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After having a look at voting histories (both of Coron and MoS) I am now very confused.
They read as such at the end of each day:
Legend -
read as:
day - voted for - player lynched

DNV

= did not vote

Darkred

= scum aligned

Orange

= a town lynch the player was involved in

Green I's

= a scum lynch the player was involved in

Coron
Day 1 - Spamwise - Bogre
Day 2 -

DNV

-

Bluemonick

Day 3 -

DNV

- babyjesus
Day 4 -

Mathcam - Mathcam

Day 5 -

II

Fuldu

-

Fuldu

II

Day 6 -

Uraj - Uraj

Day 7 -

DNV

- No one
Day 8 - ThAdmiral -

Quagmire

Day 9 -

DNV

- Spectrumvoid

MoS
Day 1 - Spamwise - Bogre
Day 2 - Armlx -

Bluemonick

Day 3 -

Babyjesus - Babyjesus

Day 4 - Mrbuddylee - Mathcam
Day 5 - Ces -

Fuldu

Day 6 -

DNV

- Uraj
Day 7 -

Quagmire

- No one
Day 8 -

II

Quagmire

-

Quagmire

II

Day 9 -

Spectrumvoid - Spectrumvoid

Here is some analysis:
- Both of you have been involved in two town lynches each. Of these however I would only say the Spectrumvoid lynch by MoS was the only one that any of you had any real responsibility for, as MoS pushed fairly strongly for that one.
- Both of you have also been involved in the lynch of a scum. Coron's vote swing to fuldu was instrumental in his lynch, but could coron have guessed it may have happened anyway, and jumped on board early to gain town cred (he didn't provide any reason for his switch, for instance)? Quagmire's lynch was heavily pushed for by MoS, but could it have been a set up that one of the two remaining scum would throw the other under a bus to gain town cred? I don't really think either of these situations are likely to be honest: Coron could well have let things run it's course with fuldu, and there was a period where MoS and quagmire were the only one's voting and could have teamed up instead and perhaps won the game. If anything I think the MoS/quag teammate-under-bus-plan is slightly more likely though.
- The one stat that you differ in is times-not-voted. Coron failed to vote four times, and MoS only failed to vote once. I think that is fairly damming in my eyes: it is lurkish and it means that there is less to go on for players to analyze later in the game (like now).

If anything this tips me towards still voting for coron, but I can't completely look past his vote for fuldu that helped condemn a mafiate.

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ThAdmiral, obviously there was not a 5-person mafia, or the game would be over. That's not the point, though. Do you now contend that there was simply a 4-person mafia instead of 2 2-person mafias? That is the only way that votes in relation to Fuldu and bluemonick can possibly mean anything.[/quote]
I don't know anymore. Based on how many kills there were on some nights, followed up by a lack of that many kills in subsequent nights what would you say? Do you think 4 person mafia with another killing role that wasn't always used or 2 2 person mafias where sometimes one team didn't send in a kill?

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ThAdmiral, obviously there was not a 5-person mafia, or the game would be over. That's not the point, though. Do you now contend that there was simply a 4-person mafia instead of 2 2-person mafias? That is the only way that votes in relation to Fuldu and bluemonick can possibly mean anything.

I don't know anymore. Based on how many kills there were on some nights, followed up by a lack of that many kills in subsequent nights what would you say? Do you think 4 person mafia with another killing role that wasn't always used or 2 2 person mafias where sometimes one team didn't send in a kill?

*Fixed*

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Here. I have limited access though.
Does someone want to do a voting analysis of me and mmod?

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to both: What do you think is more likely? Bussing your sole partner late-game, or trying to avoid him getting lynched even though it may make you look more scummy after he is lynched?

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I started to come around to thinking that mos might be scum, but I was never going to be able to convince coron to vote him anyway.