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[purple hero]

Why not? I think it's exactly the sort of thing scum-mastin would do.

~Wis

why do you think this exactly?

@ anti

every time mara posts I want to lynch you

what is with this? what is with you?

i'm serious

what is going on?

[purple hero]

Because it makes sense for her playstyle. She's a town-leader and a good manipulator. She needs all the towncred she can get. What better than a bus for that? It would give credit to her and her townreads, which is why, like anti correctly is suspecting, most of her townreads are actually scum.

you were swearing up and down that the slot was town at the time. i don't think mastin was that hard up for towncred.

[purple hero]

whatever

the point is mastin is a dirty, rotten scumbag and needs rope

mara, could you please vote mastin?

[purple hero]

because I'll switch it later on

[purple hero]

because if i vote now mara's just going to unvote again

and if i grab the vote and use it against mara's will, that makes me an asshole

[purple hero]

also why did you jail me :/ dreams was so obviously dying

~Wis

oh please

hindsight is 2020

[purple hero]

Hi, Pie. entertain me

[purple hero]

Because it makes sense for her playstyle. She's a town-leader and a good manipulator. She needs all the towncred she can get. What better than a bus for that? It would give credit to her and her townreads, which is why, like anti correctly is suspecting, most of her townreads are actually scum.

Like think about it. She could then boast "I replaced in, saved the town from the terrible AD mislynch, and lynched scum. Now sheep me as I lynch townie after townie". Do you really think that's not in line with mastin?

~Wis

(@mollie)

if she needs town-cred, why would she hard defend scum-buddy? and, if she isn't bussing then what? what if ank was town?

[purple hero]

does gaiden ever know who scum is?
unfortunately, i'm hyper paranoid so i haven't auto cleared beeboy like others have

unless someone slipped amphetamines into fakegod's coffee, he didn't let an all-scum neighborhood happen

[purple hero]

and what competent scum-player would forget that they are scum-reading a slot a few moments before saying that she agree's with my town-read on them?

[purple hero]

so, for mastin to be scum, alch has to be scum to. Can we lynch the latter to see if your theory holds?

[purple hero]

and what competent scum-player would forget that they are scum-reading a slot a few moments before saying that she agree's with my town-read on them?

hey mastin

someone is saying

YOU'RE TOO SCUMMY TO BE SCUM

[purple hero]

THAT IS NOT WHAT I AM SAYING

[purple hero]

that was anti

[purple hero]

we're going to hear the "what i would do as scum" spiel now

P.EDIT NO BUT FAKEGOD REVIEWED THE GAME

[purple hero]

like, you're all saying that she needs the town-cred but she's done a few things that's counterproductive to that

pedit: then where will her town-cred that she needs be?

[purple hero]

I WANTED TO DEFEND DAN BEFORE YOU GUYS OUTTED THE SHOT, HELL I EVEN DEFENDED HIM

[purple hero]

I wanted beeboy before Dan yesterday

[purple hero]

and you fail to realize that, my mindset was in a similar place to hers. am I just incompetent, or are we scum as well?

[purple hero]

so, for mastin to be scum, alch has to be scum to. Can we lynch the latter to see if your theory holds?

no. mastin is the lynch today

she was defending Dan for really bad and ass backwards reasons which any half competent town player should have known better than to actually believe. also, I didn't like the way she randomly took a potshot at my Sakura read, when she should know full well my Sakura read is going to be 100% solid. plus I have too many town reads elsewhere and haj was just shit

if she is town here, there is something seriously fucked up about this game

+ I hated how she demanded we believe that the doublevote is conftown and overreacted when we didnt.

~Wis

didn't see this to be as such, I think you're over emphasizing what happened. IIRC, she said that she had mod-confirmed info that unzan was town, nothing else

[purple hero]

and you fail to realize that, my mindset was in a similar place to hers. am I just incompetent, or are we scum as well?

there's a differences mara

namely, that mastin kept calling om and ank town in defiance of all reason

[purple hero]

if she was scumdoublevoter, it would have been alot easier, and alot simplier to have kept it a secret. She also gains zero to no cred from outting as such, and is more likely to gain more suspicion from outting unzan out the way she did

[purple hero]

didn't see this to be as such, I think you're over emphasizing what happened. IIRC, she said that she had mod-confirmed info that unzan was town, nothing else

OK.... HOW ABOUT THIS

the only way unzan can be town

is if unzan is mollie

otherwise

it is scum

[purple hero]

I am just one person though

[purple hero]

she would need the majority to think like that, and there is a low chance of that ever happening

[purple hero]

according the playerlist you're actually half a person

[purple hero]

and you fail to realize that, my mindset was in a similar place to hers. am I just incompetent, or are we scum as well?

the difference is that mastin's reasoning is really fucking obviously faked. yours was not (I don't remember if you even posted it anywhere, but regardless, mastin's is still faked)

she thought Dan was town because the way he played this neighborhood fit what he did previously, and claimed there is "no scum motivation" for doing so. however, any half competent player would realize that scum Dan faking his town thought process is a scum motivation, but there is another scum motivation, which I had pointed out previously (being able to coast until he got caught, which might be endgame if there were no masons in the game)

this is also just one of the reasons she is scum, there are more (which we just listed out)

yahno

also, you're placing burden of proficiency on her

[purple hero]

also, you're placing burden of proficiency on her

actually...

yeah, i am

do you think it's unwarranted?

[purple hero]

yes

burden of proficiency is always a shitty way to solidify a read

and that was to pie, not you

pedit: you're saying mastin should have known your read on sakura is legit because she knows you have good accuracy with her. You're saying she is stupid for calling dan town with the reasoning she gave, and that it's forced and that makes her likely scum

it's BOP

[purple hero]

and

as far as fake process goes, I don't agree with you there either. I defended her process, it makes sense if she sees it like that, especially if she has seen dan use that kind of thing before. She isn't one to back down on somthing she belives in, even if there might be evidence to the contrary

[purple hero]

also the fact that she claimed that there was no scum-motivation means she didn't really even think the process throught, which makes it all the more legit

[purple hero]

I also re-looked at her iso and she never overreacted to the unzan thing. the Dan thing, sure but not the Unzan thing. She basically wanted people to trust her on that read, and that she will out the info if people wanted her to but she preferred not to do so. IMO, it sounds like she has info much like you guys did, but she could have been caught up in trying to catch up on game state, and defend her stance to notice the similarity.

pedit: if she really belives that there was no scum motivation for dan, would that really be lying?

[purple hero]

conclusion, how she got there, and why she believes it to be as such.

[purple hero]

she has 5, she's at l2 IIRC

[purple hero]

and this wagon has built up BEFORE SHE COULD EVEN DEFEND HERSELF

[purple hero]

Mollie
beastcharizard
Alchemist21
Ankamius

Saki
SXTLHGaiden
Time (MTD + Aronis)
nopointinactingup/Birds of Prey
Om of the Nom

[purple hero]

and I checked, you're number 6 so if it is 8 to lynch, she is at L-2

[purple hero]

as far as time goes, if they are IC, why are they still alive? I feel like they have been using that as a reason to coast

[purple hero]

Curiousity
Mollie
(purple hero)
alch
Bee
gaiden
Pie

order of which the votes occured

pedit: it isn't in order, but top is maybescum and bottom is the stronger set of scum-reads

[purple hero]

mollie is mostly a stale town-read and I hate stale town-reads

[purple hero]

like, I can see her-town doing all the things that she has been doing, but I feel like that, as the game goes on she has become less of a prescense, and less of a powerhouse, and that isn't what I expect from town-mollie who lives to later game

[purple hero]

from experience, yeah. genenrally, she gains more activity not have activity drops

[purple hero]

so, yeah. mollies scum

[purple hero]

I don't believe for a second that she thinks I actually made a readlist with both masons inside of it, and had the second mason as very likely scum

pedit: no, they aren't my list of reads. those are the people on mastins wagon

[purple hero]

I've been calling wisdomdra town all day, where have you been

[purple hero]

that was in response to pie?

[purple hero]

Mollie
beastcharizard
Alchemist21
Ankamius

Saki
SXTLHGaiden
Time (MTD + Aronis)
nopointinactingup/Birds of Prey
Om of the Nom

and I checked, you're number 6 so if it is 8 to lynch, she is at L-2

as far as time goes, if they are IC, why are they still alive? I feel like they have been using that as a reason to coast

how does that list go? top = greater scumreads?

if so, why do you have mollie as scum?

also Time isn't an IC, nor was there much of a chance they could get NK'ed anyway.

Curiousity
Mollie
(purple hero)
alch
Bee
gaiden
Pie

order of which the votes occured

pedit: it isn't in order, but top is maybescum and bottom is the stronger set of scum-reads

like, it's almost as if you aren't reading the series of events that had just happened.

[purple hero]

the only scum list is the one I have with people separated in two groups

[purple hero]

regardless, you move from top group to bottom group. There's no way you couldn't have comprehended that

[purple hero]

Mollie
beastcharizard
Alchemist21
Ankamius

Saki
SXTLHGaiden
Time (MTD + Aronis)
nopointinactingup/Birds of Prey
Om of the Nom

top and bottom is scum, bottom is more scum than top, but as far as that goes, the strength isn't in order

[purple hero]

Pedit: mollie isn't dumb

[purple hero]

that's my one and only readlist

[purple hero]

I am still right about mastin, she's town

mollies scum
titus/pere is scum
Om is scum

[purple hero]

and, if I'm wrong the alch-scum flip will feasibly be the only thing that will convince me.

pedit: I think those are fustration on having to explain herself over and over again

[purple hero]

why is titus town?

[purple hero]

she's also unreasonable as scum, to. she also feels alot more sane than normal, ,and that's usually a scum-tell for her

[purple hero]

Pieguyn
Curiosity (Wisdom + Malakittens)
beeboy

haj/mastin2
Mononoke (Sakura Hana + Nachomamma8)


Ankamius
beastcharizard
Saki

pirate mollie
SXTLHGaiden

Time (MTD + Aronis)
nopointinactingup/Birds of Prey
Om of the Nom
Alchemist21


full readlist

[purple hero]

I'm entirely unwilling to vote mastin, regardless of what you guys have said all game but I will revisit her tomorrow if stuff happens. as for right now, I would rather see if there is anything that we can agree on and push there

[purple hero]

and if you lynch her and she flips town? we lose a strong player who's barely gotten the chance to catch up

[purple hero]

and that makes her have a wrong read, not scum

[purple hero]

and, she still has gotten ran up to L2 today, with no resistance other than me and she hasn't gotten a chance to defend herself. this reeks of scum taking this as an advantage to get rid of a potentially strong player and, I feel like if mastin was town there would be more resistance from her team

[purple hero]

er, scum not town

[purple hero]

or me, I guess

[purple hero]

Neither is mastin. I seriously won't forgive you when mastin flips town

[purple hero]

I hate you mastin

[purple hero]

mastin, what do you think of my list?

[purple hero]

give me a reason why you shouldn't be

[purple hero]

VOTE: Alchemist

[purple hero]

YOU KNOW I EXIST TO MASTIN

[purple hero]

vote: Om

we've got a wagon going on alch, love

[purple hero]

I think that'll work, Mastins kinda gotten me to rethink my Om read but I'm thinking time. I understand he's the creator and such of our world, but I don't understand why he hasn't been killed yet

[purple hero]

also think Gaiden belongs somewhere in there, and that, recently, I'm just letting mollie get under my skin for god knows what reason

[purple hero]

because they are confirmed something, presumably town

[purple hero]

pedit: well, even you have him as a weaker town-read, though so

[purple hero]

BoP is scum, one of my stronger reads

also, mastin we have an account set up! but, why did you take time out of your readlist?

[purple hero]

sure

VOTE: BoP

[purple hero]

lets just stop going in circles and killing our brain-cells by over thinking and get this lynch through

[purple hero]

oh jeez....

[purple hero]

mollie

[purple hero]

give me a reason why you shouldn't be

Because name the last time I wasn't active as scum.

I win.

quickness

...do i win now...?

[purple hero]

'Nother townpost from Om, btw. Unless Dreams claimed, again, Om would have no reason to nightkill them. Instead, he'd kill the people he'd actually have reason to believe were a threat. Instead, Dreams--Om's push--was nightkilled. Thus, Om isn't scum.

threat = jailkeeper on steroids

what the hell are you talking about?

[purple hero]

sara makes absolutely no sense as a doublevoter she doesnt even have proper relations with any of the other characters in the cast of her game.
ichirin is the only one that can wield unzan

Ichirin's themesong is The Traditional Old Man and the Stylish Girl

also VOTE: Alchemist i hope this lynch can finlly fucking happen

lol

maybe ur right mastin. maybe om is town.

that means your scum though.

[purple hero]

did a quick ISO

haj-mastin2 voting patterns are reasonably aligned with UNZAN

I'm willing to believe the claim

musta' been super quick

the only person the vote seems to follow around is mollie, there's barely any overlap w/ haj and unzan

[purple hero]

yesterday, when we were slow rolling our guilty, the guilty, mastin, Ankamius, and Om were all HARD DEFENDING Dan.

today, mastin, Ankamius, and Om are collectively defending each other. additionally, none of them have reevaluated in any way as a result of the Dan scumflip, despite hard defending him the previous day.

does anyone see the problem here?

/raises hand
OOOOO
OOOOO
OOOOO
PICK ME PICK ME

[purple hero]

critical enough that their existence is valued deeply.

what, follower isn't critical enough?

[purple hero]

Mod clarified; I am in fact NOT Sara, but Ichirin Kumoi.

omg

i just died

[purple hero]

desperado-inventor is probscum

[purple hero]

i'm too sad and too drunk to look or think righ tnow

/hug
idk what you're sad about but whatever it is I hope it gets better soon

you don't need to trouble yourself with my bullshit pie

so.....what's going on now?

[purple hero]

desperado-inventor is probscum

...and it's probably compulsive

that's actually a REALLY awesome role

[purple hero]

wis, was the use of the invention compulsive?

[purple hero]

still probably scum

you don't gift confirmed town you gift someone you don't mind seeing die

[purple hero]

having a desperado shot floating around + scum protectives is pretty fucked, though

[purple hero]

i still think desperado inventor is scum, unless you have a dedicated fanboy here, wis

the strategy of "give confirmed town desperado shot" doesn't make sense. in any universe.

[purple hero]

does gif juice up his scumteams to the nth degree?

follower is just a small step down from full blown rolecop
then there's the mystery protective

does double voter scum makes sense?

[purple hero]

yeah... even if there is a lylo clause tacked onto the double voter, that seems crazy op'd

[purple hero]

I think it's genuine, pie

[purple hero]

granted, I think she's pretty assuredly town, so I'm biased so whatever

but yes, more should join this wagon

[purple hero]

/insert continuous defense of mastin here

[purple hero]

who did aronis replace?

i want to lynch him

oh yeah, he's part of that mtd hydra

lol

mine

[purple hero]

Do I really need to explain how I am conf town to you?

please do.
if you can convince me that there is no way a mod would ever make a 2 scum neighborhood w/ daytalk, then you are confirmed.
until then, i'mma be paranoid of you.

this is pretty close to idiotic-paranoia

I mean... you're pretty much saying mod is being a troll and had two people of the same faction have a qt of their own? really? evidence so far points to the fact that there is only one scum-team, and it doesn't look like there are any 3p's either, so...

mine

[purple hero]

that doesn't count, there were four of us in that neighborhood, there is only two here. it's practically a filler role, where it wasn't one there.

[purple hero]

I mean... two people of the same faction when the neighborhood is ONLY those two people...

[purple hero]

They can figure out others are scum just like town can. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I personally never support a NK on D1. Which is probably why I've been able to uncover secondary scum teams quite easily in the past.

why
are
you
even bothering
asking for a case?

[purple hero]

no that was the mollie slot

[purple hero]

you didn't have to do that

[purple hero]

whatever

could someone just hammer titus now?

[purple hero]

VOTE: mastin2

can we please do this now mara?

what do i have to do. do i have to look at you and make my pupils go really big? what?

[purple hero]

for everyone's enjoyment:

Oh.

I should mention the town I've gotten.

Ankamius

(moderate), Om (moderately-strong),

Dan

(moderately-strong), and

nopointinactingup

(weak).

Like I said, this is just off of blind VCA. So I'm not even going to compile a readslist. I've got isos to do.

mastin2-om

that's it

[purple hero]

town reading your whole scum team is really mastin

[purple hero]

yeah p much

VOTE: om

[purple hero]

@Anti: for that quote you pulled up, keep in mind (iirc, correct me if I'm wrong) basically all of her VCA that she did to get those reads was based on the incorrect assumption of Dan being town. when that happens, it's not hard to get entirely ass backwards reads solely via VCA, given she completely swapped the town and scum wagons around and so she would have swapped the compositions around too.

then let's lynch om and party

[purple hero]

om wasn't even in ikaruga so i don't know what the fuck he's talking about

[purple hero]

I've been reading through Ikaruga and the anti there and the anti here are completely different

no

[purple hero]

ok so like
anti in ikaruga felt way more aggressive and fighting for his lynches and this game he feels way more passive
and i think it kinda looks the same but it feels different to me
i dont get the same impression from reading his posts there than i do here
maybe thats just something only im seeing?

idk its fucking 2am and i want to shoot myself for making tthat mistake earlier fuck

i'm not fighting for lynches here?

quotes or stfu

[purple hero]

on the bright side maybe you guys should compare my play lately to that of Spring Starflower pre-lynch and u will see the clear similarities and realise im town

Om is town.

VOTE: dgb

half-assed self meta is half-assed

[purple hero]

I almost want to call Om town for this. I'm not sure in what universe scum would bother inventing this whole thing about thinking Anti was scum when it's likely no one would listen anyway, and then responding to Sakura's suspicion of him framing Anti by......... flip flopping and calling Anti scum anyway. the alternative, that he's town and believes this, is more believable. it's also obvious he at least did read through parts of that game and find a difference in Anti's play, whether it means anything or not.

shitty meta dive = town?????????

if he really wanted to put all the stock into meta, i would think he'd want to know more about what mastin's talking about when she said she knew i was town in half a dozen posts

[purple hero]

i really dont feel like its saki tho
if we get to endgame and saki's still alive i might consider it then but not right now

also you say anti has been aggressive in his push on me but to me its a passive aggression
like yea om is scum everyone vote him not omfg u scumass can u just die
do u understand the difference here
do u see the difference i am talking about?

yeah. I'll think about it later bc holy fuck I'm still awake at 9 AM. if DGB is town, who'd be your choice for last scum?

...so this is different than serum+steel / ikaruga because i'm not cursing enough?

pie is this shit for real

[purple hero]

oh so it's that om makes a plea to meta that he's proven self-aware of that HE TOTALLY WOULDN'T SUBVERT IN ANY WAY

what is it?

[purple hero]

uhmm... I am somewhere in this game, I'll catch up soonish

[purple hero]

mastin, I love you.

I feel like, DBG is being DBG but I can't pin an alignment on her, though I think the biggest reason wisdom/mala died before you is mostly because they were gaining traction towards who was the scum.

Beeboy is conf. town now, too and we need to block, now. there is two more scum left.

Pie
Bee
Mastin
us

removing those people from the remaining living players we have

ank/DBG
mollie/hermit
Gaiden
Saki
beast
aronis
Om

of those in that list, I think Om is very, very likely scum here and the more I read, the more I agree saki is town, assuming role is correct though if push comes to shove, we should lynch him to give us another day.
Trusting your read on Gaiden, Beast and Aronis are most likely for partnership, I think. I still really don't believe that thing from game start.

[purple hero]

I refuse to believe you actually hold this position as town. Moreover, if you are town, it is shit like this that makes me want to just give up and quit this fucking site entirely. I would rather just quit than consistently play in games where no one ever values my thoughts, and when it's obvious me being in games and pushing reads differently just winds up annoying people, even when I try really hard to work with town over it.

the answer is not to quit

it's to keep going and play so much mafia you don't give a shit anymore

[purple hero]

VOTE: dgb

[purple hero]

(x1; UNZAN remains on Saki.)

why?

if saki is scum, he made the shittiest fakeclaim ever because he made himself a policy lynch.

unless you want to lynch him and take the reverse-beloved princess deal right now. which might not be a bad idea.

[purple hero]

i actually think giving the investigative(s) another night is our best bet right now
VOTE: saki

[purple hero]

What's the reverse belpved princess?

nk fails that night

at least that's what saki's saying

[purple hero]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmm

my bet's dgb+gaiden

[purple hero]

if mollie was scum, she REALLY broke her meta

[purple hero]

Saki is probably scum because Saki was open to the idea of being lynched today, and yet, did not unvote me when I was in danger of being lynched. Additionally, Saki was one of the two counterwagons to me.

if that's the case saki made the dumbest fakeclaim ever and i will point and laugh at him

[purple hero]

If you flip town mastin, I'll lynch Saki tomorrow.

uh yeah...

should have been done today

[purple hero]

DO NOT LYNCH GAIDEN!

i suggest investigatives get on him if they haven't already

[purple hero]

NOTES: people are always informed when i target them.

:\

a town fruit vendor's already flipped...

[purple hero]

gaiden are you a friendly neighbor? we'll role copy you.

[purple hero]

reversed? what does that mean?

[purple hero]

eh, screw it
I am a even night role reverser
when i target someone, that night their role is reversed.
they are informed of this before they use their action

...so it's a day action?

how does that work?

what the hell is a role reverser?

[purple hero]

My lynch order should be fairly clear.

Be warned that 2 or even 3 scum is possible if I'm remembering the number of flipped scum correctly (might not be).

But the lynch order should be Saki-DGB-Constantine.

3 scum flipped
one of them was goon so 5 scum

[purple hero]

Wish I had more to say, but I really don't. :/

c'mon you're professor mafia

what's a role reverser?

[purple hero]

gaiden is your role worth copying?

[purple hero]

for instance, ns would have become a person who tells everyone who visits him his role

...


what?

[purple hero]

who did you target n2 what happened as a result?

[purple hero]

oh, so instead of him seeing someone else's role, someone else sees his role i get it

[purple hero]

...how the hell would that work for the desperado.......

or the jailkeep?

[purple hero]

yeah i'm not copying that it sounds like a pain in the ass

[purple hero]

maybe

[purple hero]

that sounds like such a fucking nightmare to mod

does anyone know if gif is a masochist?