Touhou: MitLoF ~ Makai Mix (Game Over)

[Curiosity]

They rolestop and jailkeep their target. their pseudoguilty doesnt make sense

Okay. So.

A jailkeeper is the one thing that could affect my result. That's why I said 99%. I considered it unlikely that there even is one, but since there is, there is the possibility that this nullifies my guilty. It also makes MS scum, because they'd then have lied about who they jailed.

So new info: If AD isn't scum, Dreams is.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

We have a shot of your ability, we inherited ns's role

did you use it on me or Dan

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Role is posted in the post where original owner of the role flipped

it says light transformer it does not explain what the role actually does.

why are you trying to obfuscate things?

for one more fucking time, there are the role pms in the flips

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Ok I'll fucking explain what happened since it has come to this.

I received a 1-shot Desperado shot to use during N2. For whoever doesn't know, a Desperado shoots someone, and if that someone is scum, they die. If they are town, the Desperado shooter dies instead.

I used it on AD. He didn't die. I didn't die.

We thought this either means AD is bulletproof scum, or a scum doc protected him. The only other possibility we could see is if we got roleblocked (but why would a roleblocker RB a mason), or if we or AD got jailkept. But I doubted there's even a jailkeeper.

Now we know there's a jailkeeper. This means AD is not necessarily scum.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

I AM SICK AND TIRED OF TOWNS WHO BLATANTLY IGNORE THE FUCKING FACTS AND INSTEAD FALL FOR WHAT IS NOT EVEN MEDIOCRE SCUMPLAY.

This so much

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Titus pls tell me you aren't thinkng that we are scum. PLEASE TELL ME THATS NOT WHAT IM READING.

~M

[Curiosity]

when exactly did you doubt there was a jk? when you were speccing in the night round? and you went with scum doc over jk? really?

Mason PT, mollie. Yes, those are the possibilities we came up with. We didn't know which it is, but we knew that me shooting AD and not dying meant AD is scum.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Yo! Wisdom, any chance you might have overlooked a town doctor healing you since you know 90% of the game thinks you are conftown?

A doc doesn't save a desperado from dying.

We also asked whether we would die if we shot town-BP. the answer was yes.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

DOAA CLAIMED TO JAILKEEP ME N2

Dreams, can you confirm this again? Are you sure you didn't jail me?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Mod: Could a doctor heal a hypothetical death from a Desperado claim?

Pie, if a doctor cannot stop a desperado attempt from the attacker (Curiosity) then how could a scum doctor heal Action Dan?

A doc can protect the person who is shot by the desperado. They can't protect the desperado from passively dying when they shoot town. The two are different.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

i just dont think that pushing that angle confirms him as scum

Weak role death is passive too and can be stopped by a doctor.
Hider death is passive, but can't be stopped by a doctor because hider can't be targeted while hiding.
Methinks Desperado works like the weak role death.

That doesn't make sense. The weak role/desperado are not shot by someone. They reflexively die. Therefore there's not a kill to stop.

Anyway we'll learn soon

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Yo! Wisdom, any chance you might have overlooked a town doctor healing you since you know 90% of the game thinks you are conftown?

A doc doesn't save a desperado from dying.

We also asked whether we would die if we shot town-BP. the answer was yes.

~Wis

The wiki does not bar that possibility.

I asked the mod directly. Because I was thinking about that.

Just find it crappy that we have this modifier on this role and it just sucks because we have to be so accurate.

~M

[Curiosity]

I don't think he's conftown

...

~Wis

[Curiosity]

and the possibility of a scum roleblocker or appropriate counterbalancing power.

So what are you suggesting? That a scum RB blocked a claimed mason? Why?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

eta: jingle did not flip bodyguard so I am confused about what you are saying.

Bg was one of his abilities

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Titus pls tell me you aren't thinkng that we are scum. PLEASE TELL ME THATS NOT WHAT IM READING.

~M

Yeah she keeps saying we aren't conftown after both a mason claim and a cop inno
Not to mention my obvtown play

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Sak, that's just Jingle rereading the thread.

No, Titus. That's a cop crumb.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

or thought Time was scum

Jingle didn't know his captain, see his role pm

~Wis

[Curiosity]

he thought the investigation target sucked or thought Time was scum or thought Wisdom was obvious or...

And even if he thought the investigation sucked he had no reason to reject it. Better be sure than just.confident in a read

~Wis

[Curiosity]

I asked the mod directly. Because I was thinking about that.

To clarify, Mala was talking about the shooting town BP here
Unless she asked about the doc thing in a pm

~Wis

[Curiosity]

I would reject a claim if I was worried about a framer.

lol
Ok this is getting hilarious now

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Why wouldn't Jingle crumb mission accepted or somesuch. If he did, I would accept that as a crumb.

Because giving an inno on me like he did does tell Time that he accepted the mission plus what the result was all in one

~Wis

[Curiosity]

or thought Time was scum

Jingle didn't know his captain, see his role pm

~Wis

All the more reason to think scum Captain.

Still doesn't explain why he would reject a free investigation
And no, fearing framers and godfathers is bullshit and I'm sure you know it. This is like telling.me that cops should not investigate because there might be framers or godfathers. Maybe nobody should use their actions because there might be a role that will mislead them then?
Please stop being this unreasonable.

~Wis

~Wis

[Curiosity]

And so titus lost her head.
Oh well there's still PV in there (i hope)

He said he agrees with Titus so I don't have much hope in that

~Wis

[Curiosity]

I would reject a claim if I was worried about a framer.

lol
Ok this is getting hilarious now

~Wis

lay off titus for a bit

Titus actually makes more sense than you. And that's saying something

~Wis

[Curiosity]

All will be fine if town and especially mollie, Titus and Om (assuming they are town) stop being unreasonable and stop doubting basic facts. Paranoia is one thing, being completely unreasonable is another. This game could be very easy right now and we're making it harder for ridiculous reasons.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

BoP is town unless Titus is attempting to derail my Ad wagon.

I'm probably going to bed too. I'm sleepy~

~M

[Curiosity]

Yeah, because you want the day to end. Not because you changed your mind.

~Wis

Pedit: @om

[Curiosity]

DOAA CLAIMED TO JAILKEEP ME N2

Dreams, can you confirm this again? Are you sure you didn't jail me?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Any thoughts on my 4830?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Blah. I can't help but think you are town.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

My best guesses for other scum if AD flips scum like he should are mastin and Alchemist. To a lesser extent Gaiden and Ankamius. Beast is also scum.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Though that's solely my gut and how they reacted to the AD wagon. VCA and stuff might tell us more.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

See i dislike how alchemist was online after I outed the guilty yet didn't post. I think it's completely in line with newbscum.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Mastin should really be scum though. I completely hated how he tried to destroy the AD wagon. And like pie showed us, he can and has done that as scum.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

My gut keeps saying Om town so yeah

And mastin scum should probably mean alchemist town :/

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Not sure why you had to claim this though

~Wis

[Curiosity]

I don't get why you would claim at gamestart either. Whatever, prolly it's just the different philosophy re:claiming

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Anyway

Player List

pieguyn - conftown
Saki - town. Gut, Sakura and pie townreading him, the claim.
pirate mollie - town. This dumbness is town mollie.
ActionDan - confirmed scum
SXTLHGaiden - probscum. Lurker, fixating on haj policy, ignoring my AD guilty. Plus whatever else MS said about him that I never understood.
Dreams of an Absolution (Metal Sonic + Natirasha) - Town via play and role, unless AD flips town. Then they were lying about jailing pie.
Mononoke (Sakura Hana + Nachomamma8) - Town Sakura.
Curiosity (Wisdom + Malakittens) - confirmed town whether you like it or not.
purple hero (Antihero + Ms Marangal) - Town. Anti play, Mara play, everything.
beastcharizard - probscum. Lurker, and when he wasn't lurking he posted some scummy things I talked about.
Time (MTD + Aronis) - Town, due to role, for reasons pie explained.
nopointinactingup/Birds of Prey - Should be town, as I think this is the famous unreasonable town Titus.
Om of the Nom - Probtown. Solely gut, but some of his actions, especially his flipflop when mastin came, could make sense with him being scum.
haj/mastin2 - Probscum. I don't care about the fake guilty, but I care about mastin trying to destroy the AD wagon.
Alchemist21 - Gut has said scum all game. Will depend on other flips like mastin, and VCA.
beeboy - Town, due to role (neighbor with scum) and play that I think has been consistently newbtown.
Ankamius - probscum. Ignoring my AD guilty, gut, nothing in his posts that I can confidently call town.

Therefore scumpile should AD flip scum like he should:
{Gaiden, beast, mastin, alchemist, Ankamius}

~Wis

VOTE: ActionDan

[Curiosity]

Sure, if mastin flips scum feel free to remove Alch

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Btw MS, be careful who you jail in case there are more desperado shots around

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Mod: Could a doctor heal a hypothetical death from a Desperado claim?

Pie, if a doctor cannot stop a desperado attempt from the attacker (Curiosity) then how could a scum doctor heal Action Dan?

the target or the desperado himself?

The desperado himself. Like, if a doctor protects a desperado who shot town, do they stop the desperado from dying?

[Curiosity]

Lurkers man

~Wis

[Curiosity]

AD, now that I've outed my exact result, how come you're not saying a thing? Back to "not fighting this"?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

L-1 by my count

~Wis

[Curiosity]

I'd like the mod answer before the hammer

~Wis

[Curiosity]

lol okay

~Wis

[Curiosity]

So I guess the flavor makes sense for neighbors. More town points for beeboy.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

He is but please don't hammer until the mod answers regarding the doc/desperado interaction

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Hear that Titus?

Hammer away beeboy.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

VOTE: mastin

~Wis

[Curiosity]

I don't think that picture was in his role pm, so yes

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Stahp posting you're dead

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Btw

@Mod

AD's flavor says Yuki yet you said Mai in the flip

[Curiosity]

Yes, Mara. We are lynching mastin today. Don't make our life hard.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

I'd also like to know who you jailed, if you used your shot

~Wis

[Curiosity]

ok

you really should have jailed dreams, it was the obvious kill

~Wis

[Curiosity]

anyway it's not a guilty this time, mastin is just obvscum

~Wis

[Curiosity]

beeboy

are you fucking serious

beeboy might as well be conftown

~Wis

[Curiosity]

because he was neighbours with scum, duh

~Wis

[Curiosity]

mastin is not town.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

lol go ahead, im pretty sure there are no scum neighborhoods

~Wis

[Curiosity]

do you mean pure scum neighborhoods?

yeah. After all, this was a neighborhood of two people, so if both were scum like you claim, it would be a pure scum neighborhood. Do you have such an example?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

also, do you really think mastin would defend her scumbud the way she did?

Absolutely. Pie even linked a game where she did this exact thing again.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Specifically, I would like Om, Prey, and ank killed the most. prey being primary choice for today.

We're not lynching any of those. Om and Ank are candidates for scumbuddies, but not even close to mastin. Prey are town.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Oh

and Saki.

Town. Did you see his claim?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

well, ok but I think scum-reading her based solely off that interaction is dumb. you're going to need more than that one thing to convince me.

Pedit: no

well im not going to make a case, maybe pie will want to entertain you. But it's obvious everywhere in her iso, really.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

nope

~Wis

[Curiosity]

what is this supposed to mean? dont tell me you still dont realize im conftown

~Wis

pedit: pointless posturing by gaiden

[Curiosity]

{mastin, Alchemist, Gaiden, beast}. Om or Ank could replace one of those if wrong.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

You're wrong, Mara.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

There's no town mastin in this game, so don't worry

~Wis

[Curiosity]

ankamius posts make me want to replace beast with him already

~Wis

[Curiosity]

i like this head more

Anti, we thought overnight with pie and we decided that what mastin was doing was trying to defend AD and bussing Alchemist at the same time. That way, he would gain "i replaced in and caught scum" ubercred, and it would give cred to AD too.

Find this plausible?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Why not? I think it's exactly the sort of thing scum-mastin would do.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

umm, she did. With both votes.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Alchemist21 (3): Ankamius, UNZAN, mastin2

~Wis

[Curiosity]

read his entrance and his push on alch and tell me if my scenario makes sense, because we think it does

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Because it makes sense for her playstyle. She's a town-leader and a good manipulator. She needs all the towncred she can get. What better than a bus for that? It would give credit to her and her townreads, which is why, like anti correctly is suspecting, most of her townreads are actually scum.

Like think about it. She could then boast "I replaced in, saved the town from the terrible AD mislynch, and lynched scum. Now sheep me as I lynch townie after townie". Do you really think that's not in line with mastin?

~Wis

(@mollie)

[Curiosity]

umm. She had like 4-5 votes on her.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Besides, no, I wasn't calling the slot town, I was just objecting to her lynch because I wanted AD lynched.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

how come mara controls the vote

~Wis

[Curiosity]

also why did you jail me :/ dreams was so obviously dying

~Wis

[Curiosity]

no gaiden, we're just lynching scum. haj fakeguilty has nothing to do with this.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

umm no, i did say it during the night too
i mean he was a claimed protective, it's a no brainer

~Wis

[Curiosity]

who else is scum, gaiden?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

any townreads?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Because it makes sense for her playstyle. She's a town-leader and a good manipulator. She needs all the towncred she can get. What better than a bus for that? It would give credit to her and her townreads, which is why, like anti correctly is suspecting, most of her townreads are actually scum.

Like think about it. She could then boast "I replaced in, saved the town from the terrible AD mislynch, and lynched scum. Now sheep me as I lynch townie after townie". Do you really think that's not in line with mastin?

~Wis

(@mollie)

if she needs town-cred, why would she hard defend scum-buddy? and, if she isn't bussing then what? what if ank was town?

Alch you mean?

Yes, it's a possibility, but like pie said above, it makes more sense that she was bussing. She would get zero cred by derailing AD lynch and lynching a townie. She would get infinite amount of cred if she lynched scum AND it would give cred to her townreads (such as AD) too.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

does gaiden ever know who scum is?
unfortunately, i'm hyper paranoid so i haven't auto cleared beeboy like others have

unless someone slipped amphetamines into fakegod's coffee, he didn't let an all-scum neighborhood happen

fakegod isnt the mod

mara plz

~Wis

[Curiosity]

so, for mastin to be scum, alch has to be scum to. Can we lynch the latter to see if your theory holds?

Alch doesn't have to be scum, no. There is the possibility, however slim, that mastin tried to switch the lynch from AD to a townie.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

and what competent scum-player would forget that they are scum-reading a slot a few moments before saying that she agree's with my town-read on them?

hm? i dont remember that, link/quote?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

like, you're all saying that she needs the town-cred but she's done a few things that's counterproductive to that

pedit: then where will her town-cred that she needs be?

thats why its more likely that alch is scum with her

but we're not lynching alch before her

~Wis

[Curiosity]

so, for mastin to be scum, alch has to be scum to. Can we lynch the latter to see if your theory holds?

no. mastin is the lynch today

she was defending Dan for really bad and ass backwards reasons which any half competent town player should have known better than to actually believe. also, I didn't like the way she randomly took a potshot at my Sakura read, when she should know full well my Sakura read is going to be 100% solid. plus I have too many town reads elsewhere and haj was just shit

if she is town here, there is something seriously fucked up about this game

+ I hated how she demanded we believe that the doublevote is conftown and overreacted when we didnt.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

I WANTED TO DEFEND DAN BEFORE YOU GUYS OUTTED THE SHOT, HELL I EVEN DEFENDED HIM

congratulations. so stop insisting on your wrong reads and sheep us

~Wis

[Curiosity]

i believe 5176 answers to you

~Wis

[Curiosity]

didn't see this to be as such, I think you're over emphasizing what happened. IIRC, she said that she had mod-confirmed info that unzan was town, nothing else

you dont remember correctly. she overreacted. sec, ill grab the quote

~Wis

[Curiosity]

if she was scumdoublevoter, it would have been alot easier, and alot simplier to have kept it a secret. She also gains zero to no cred from outting as such, and is more likely to gain more suspicion from outting unzan out the way she did

since you townread her for this, she apparently does gain cred from this.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

This town...

mollie, purple is town.
Mara, mollie is town.
Stahp it.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Mara you're still wrong about mastin. Stop being stubborn plz

~Wis

[Curiosity]

mollie ffs the second list was not a read list, it was who has voted mastin. Read the game properly.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

There's no way you couldn't have comprehended that

there is, shes mollie

~Wis

[Curiosity]

she isnt, but sometimes shes being dumb like this.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Om of the Nom (7): pirate mollie, purple hero, Mononoke, Alchemist21, Jingle, Saki, Jakuzure Nonon

this is the only large wagon that

didn't draw the secret scum double voter

FFS, for the last time, that's because the "secret scum double voter" is in fact a Mastin-known 100% town double-voter.

And said double-voter I'm telling you would not go there.

This frustration regarding the doublevote doesn't feel natural either. Why are we supposed to believe her anyway?

Because I SAID so, dammit!

^overreaction regarding the doublevote

~Wis

[Curiosity]

mollies scum
titus/pere is scum
Om is scum

No. The only one that might be right in these is Om, and even that I doubt.

Please do a hard reset.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

:/

dont take me so seriously mollie ffs.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

pedit: I think those are fustration on having to explain herself over and over again

please stop town-tunneling

~Wis

[Curiosity]

why is titus town?

because shes unreasonable as town

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Om of the Nom (7): pirate mollie, purple hero, Mononoke, Alchemist21, Jingle, Saki, Jakuzure Nonon

this is the only large wagon that

didn't draw the secret scum double voter

FFS, for the last time, that's because the "secret scum double voter" is in fact a Mastin-known 100% town double-voter.

And said double-voter I'm telling you would not go there.

SAKURA:

Blow a horn and make a callout to Nacho. Tell him one thing, and one thing only.
Mastin is here.
And she wants his help.

Nachomamma8:

Doesn't have to be much. My iso's not that long. Pick up the key points of the key points, and say them in your own words.

This frustration regarding the doublevote doesn't feel natural either. Why are we supposed to believe her anyway?

Because I SAID so, dammit!

Mastin is defending two scum so far. Maybe pie is right about her

Aaand, when via a combination of nightkill and lynch we continue to one after another turn up town?

Om is town. Period.

Dan is town. Pretty dang sure.

ok, i cant say i am 100% sure about her. but she wont be my priority for a long time.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

lol wtf quotes

~Wis

[Curiosity]

no mara, we're lynching mastin

i have no clue why you keep confbiasing that she's town, but she isn't. you have to reread and understand you went wrong somewhere.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

she caught up well enough and gave us her ridiculously bad reads.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

this so strong player would have stopped the AD lynch if it wasnt for my guilty btw

~Wis

[Curiosity]

seriously stop confbiasing pls

its like you just want her to be town and refuse to listen to reason

reread with the mindset that she's scum and you'll see it makes sense

~Wis

[Curiosity]

no it doesnt - nobody is stupid enough to defend obvscum. Except maybe Ank

~Wis

[Curiosity]

pls mara

you just want her to be town

stahp and go see shes scum

~Wis

[Curiosity]

you arent scum

~Wis

[Curiosity]

pls mara

~Wis

[Curiosity]

pls hang

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Hint: 'better nightkills' is in no way a valid answer.

Yeah except for the fact it is

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Oor, he would resist, arguing that I don't actually have a guilty, so that I claim and scum get information. The fact my reads hadn't been good up to that point gave him the perfect excuse.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Above was at 5273

~Wis

[Curiosity]

beast talk to us

~Wis

[Curiosity]

What do you mean about what
You haven't posted content in ages
What are your reads

~Wis

[Curiosity]

I see you pushing that mislynch on me mastin.

Dat scum theatre

~Wis

[Curiosity]

What do you mean about what
You haven't posted content in ages
What are your reads

~Wis

This was @beast btw

~Wis

[Curiosity]

VOTE: alchemist

~Wis

[Curiosity]

*I* didn't use that excuse, nor would I have because, y'know...I haven't read the game so I'd have no way of actually KNOWING this.
*Others* have.

I was talking about Om. You said he's super town because he would bus the guiltied scumbuddy. I don't agree for the reason I said.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

If so, GUESS WHAT THAT SAYS ABOUT YOUR FUCKING READS?

Considering. Y'know. Similarities and all that.

Your initial reads looked nothing like mine. It was practically the opposite of your current reads.

And I fail to understand how someone like you gets townreads from objectively scummy people like Ank, AD, nopointinactingup, yet includes Sakura and mollie, who are more or less obvtown, in possible scum. That's why your reads were terrible.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

{Time,

BOP

,

Alchemist

,

beast

, Om,

Ankamius

, mastin}

^this is what im feeling as the scumteam

~Wis

[Curiosity]

though yeah. Om sheeping mastin-town away from AD could make sense for Om-scum

And there have been other good points for Om-scum too

But I cant help but get a gut feeling that he's town

~Wis

[Curiosity]

PV's "I agree with everything Titus said" was terrible now that i think about it
I don't know him, but I don't suppose he's as unreasonable as Titus. He should be trying to put some sense into her, not agree with her. Plus he couldn't articulate what he agreed about when I asked him.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

yes, she wanted mastin dead yesterday, because "fakeclaimers are scum, theres no way they can be town"

~Wis

[Curiosity]

No. Her single post today had to do with whether Saki's roleclaim was breaking the rules or not.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Although I suppose she will continue wanting mastin lynched when she posts again. But doesn't change the fact she didn't vote him or otherwise mention she agrees with him being lynched today when she posted.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

{Time,

BOP

,

Alchemist

,

beast

, Om,

Ankamius

, mastin}

^this is what im feeling as the scumteam

~Wis

Mara? Agree? I suppose you'll also have Om instead of beast or something?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

well she was death-tunneling but not really. I guess I understand what you mean.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

the scumteam has no reason to commit to not lynching mastin in this scenario, especially when the alternative is bussing Alch.

but the thing is that other than ank, the proposed scumteam isn't doing that.

BoP haven't seriously posted, but are expected to want mastin lynched.
beast didn't give reads.
Alch wants mastin lynched.
Ank did say mastin feels town and voted Alch, so you have a point there, but it's only Ank.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

I don't understand why he hasn't been killed yet

why would he? He's useless with Jingle dead, unless he controls more people which I doubt.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Om is also defending mastin

i dont think om is scum, so yeah

Actually if Time replaced Ank and we had a Alchemist/Time/beast/BoP team, nobody would be against the mastin lynch. How does that sound?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

VOTE: BoP

works for me

~Wis

[Curiosity]

{Time, BOP, Alchemist, beast, Om, Ankamius, mastin}

Like, look here pie. This is the scumpile. Let's assume that a)mastin is town, and b) everyone resisting the mastin lynch is town, like you said.
This becomes:

{Time, BOP, Alchemist, beast}

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Easy why?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Though, I remember Alchemist's overreaction regarding people not accepting Time as IC and it kinda makes me question if they are scumbuddies

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Plus that beast-Alchemist exchange

baaah i dont know anything. Let's just lynch BoP

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Anything can happen though, the fact everyone is a lurker doesn't make the team any less likely

~Wis

[Curiosity]

hmm. If mastin and Alch are both town, it makes sense for scum-Om/scum-Ank to push Alch lynch instead of mastin lynch, since mastin was townreading them.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

The more I think about it, the more I think that's the case

So something like {BoP, Ank, Om, beast}

~Wis

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oh just what we needed...

~Wis

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oh just what we needed...

~Wis

Do you know him?

Yes, but can't explain cuz ongoing

~Wis

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also haj (mastin slot) claimed a fake guilty on Jakuzure D2, who flipped town

~Wis

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beeboy <- lone neighbor with a flipped scum (and thus conftown)

~Wis

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Sheep us on BOP beeboy man

~Wis

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nope

~Wis

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if they're scum, they gave them to me because my reads were bad prolly

~Wis

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but theres no other way AD survived, so scum protective is a given

~Wis

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i kinda anticipate an encryptor too, what with the three daychat threads

~Wis

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It is easy to fake genuine anger vote mastin for a brighter tomorrow

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh.

you are pretty town, but yeah stop this and stuff

~M

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oh my god how does BoP have 100 posts already.

nonono.

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Beeboy do you disagree with the haj argument?

Say you are scum doctor. Haj is your partner and has got Jakuzure lynched via a fakeclaim. Won't you protect him over someone with not as much suspicion like AD?

~Wis

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yom

i really still want alch lynched

Read on BoP?

~Wis

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^ i'm only required to sheep masons

Then sheep us

~Wis

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Post some content. Give us your reads. Vote.

~Wis

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Aronis plz

~Wis

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likely town wis

Why?

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i feel a solid train of thought in their posts, doesn't feel manufactured

This sounds like one of the typical premade excuses scum give for townreads.

~Wis

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Aronis stop rolling dies and play the game

~Wis

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Whatever stop rolling dice and play

~Wis

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nah

Yup. No specifics, nothing to indicate you actually thought that out. It looks like AD's townread on beeboy.

~Wis

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You should indeed

~Wis

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Mastin is town because of her catchup and because of the scum doc protecting AD over haj

Alchemist is town because scum wouldn't resist the mastin lynch only to bus their buddy.

Scum are BoP, Om, Ankamius and beast (or Aronis)

~Wis

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Read it, mastin felt very genuine there and her tone was pretty different than what I know of her scum game.

Om is scum because he tried to sheep mastin away from the AD lynch, and because his BOP townread is textbook scum townread (plus other points that have been expressed about him)

Titus is scum because her arguments are nonsensical and I feel she is just faking her town meta. I wrote off her as town when she was being unreasonable because I'm not familiar with her town meta, but others are pointing out she does it as scum too. Therefore that point is completely null and since Ive had zero other reason to think her slot is town (and thought npiau is scum anyway), she's scum.

Ank is just scum

beast/Aronis is POE lurker scum

~Wis

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Literally above post

~Wis

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Entertain me then, Om. Give me a viable scumteam with Alch in it.

~Wis

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I don't buy that crap, Om, sorry

~Wis

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Sure, I'll lynch you in a heartbeat if people prefer you over Titus, your half-assed AtE won't help you

~Wis

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Because it makes for a nice excuse to discredit me when I'm right

~Wis

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Good catch, yeah.

beast more likely for 5th

~Wis

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PEdit @beast: Your entire switch is not town. Having early scumreads and pushing them is null. Suddenly dropping them at a hat to push someone for making a mistake for that reasoning, then calling it a 'policy lynch' is too jagged a thought switch. I'm not buying it.

or not

~Wis

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You still have had reasons to think beast is scum at one point, therefore given you apparently dislike lurkers, you should be wanting beast dead as much as Time.

But you're buddies, so

~Wis

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Then why are you scumreading them? What are the scummy things they said recently?

~Wis

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bullcrap

Saki: tunneled on lynching haj Day 3, never made any stance towards AD, then claimed today and tried to coast on it.

Lots of people tunneled on lynching haj, and I had predicted that would happen because lolpolicy. It was haj's fault, not anyone else's. Not taking a stance towards AD is not unnatural for someone who isn't really following the game like Saki. I scumread the people who tried to make people believe AD is not scum much more than people who didn't take a stance. His claim has town written all over it so you trying to make that look somehow scummy is terrible.

Gaiden: Stance on the neighbors. Tried to push for both beeboy and AD being scum early and then kept on that thought pattern even after being unable to give any believable reason why he believes so.

It's much more likely that scum would not insist on using such flawed reasoning. Especially when they're in the position they are right now. Bad excuse to "scumread" them.

Time: Awkward defense of AD only to make a half-hearted fake-looking bus vote.

Where is that awkward defense of AD exactly? All he posted was "hey guys, should I vote or defend AD"? And then he voted him because of our guilty, which doesn't seem half-hearted or fake at all.

Did I mention bullcrap? Yeah.

~Wis

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lol at you quoting 4109 as if thats a defense

4112 could maaaaybe with some stretch of the fantasy be taken as a defence, but it's more likely an opinion that Dan is always scummy. Doesn't feel awkward anyway.

~Wis

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Yeah, the policy vote angle is terrible. Doing that at the expense of literally everything else is not town.

you mean like half the playerlist did? And if I had not strongly rejected to it pre-Jakuzure flip, I bet even more would have taken this angle. Even pie wanted to policy haj initially.

~Wis

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So you don't believe Gaiden is trying to throw shit on and discredit beeboy?

Not at all. beeboy is conftown and scum have nothing to win from that. Gaiden is just being Gaiden.

~Wis

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Hell, if you're scumreading Saki for that, what do you have to say about Titus?

~Wis

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Right. So Titus pushed the "mastin is scum because haj fakeclaim" against all reason 100 times more than Saki, yet you don't care about her and care about Saki.

Gooot it, man

~Wis

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{BoP, Om, Ank, beast}

I'll lynch any of those without a second thought

~Wis

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Single nightkill = one scumteam

Scum neighborhood is completely implausible.

See 5583 and 5585 for who is scum

~Wis

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What are you talking about? If there are two scumteams, they don't know the existence of the other, therefore can't strategically do that

~Wis

Pedit: that too, the alignments are light and dark, no room for another scumteam

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Uhh ok that makes zero sense so I won't bother

~Wis

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Too bad because that's the scumteam

~Wis

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BoP

~Wis

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Nah dw

~Wis

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No he's just lazy. Didn't you see the dice thingies

~Wis

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It was not actual reads, it was dice rolls

~Wis

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Cmon man, stop overthinking, pie explained why AD's actions make him town

~Wis

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lol

It's not as if pie just explained it

~Wis

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dont worry, nobody will quickhammer you, for you were mollie

~Wis

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also i want to get 1000 posts before i die so

~Wis

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<- 1000th post

~Wis