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Post Post #4193 (isolation #0) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:10 am

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Hey I am here. Well sort of. I am on VLA. Oh and I have zero intent of reading the first few thousand posts but for my VCA if I live that long.
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Post Post #4194 (isolation #1) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:11 am

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Derp that is obviously Titus. I forget to sign a lot.
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Post Post #4196 (isolation #2) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:23 am

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Curiosity, just defer on Mala to me since we are not face to face. She's pretty good at reading me.

Speaking of which...back to meet.
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Post Post #4197 (isolation #3) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:24 am

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^^^^ Titus
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Post Post #4198 (isolation #4) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:27 am

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Checking in. Will read/skim today.

Anyone have a synopsis they want to throw out?

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Post Post #4200 (isolation #5) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:30 am

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In post 4150, Yukari Yakumo wrote:
VC 3.03
Alchemist21 (2):
pirate mollie, Ankamius
haj (4):
Saki, Time, Alchemist21, beeboy
Dreams of an Absolution (1):
purple hero
ActionDan (5):
pieguyn, Curiosity, Om of the Nom, Dreams of an Absolution, Mononoke

Not Voting:
SXTLHGaiden, beastcharizard, ActionDan, nopointinactingup, haj

With 17 alive, 9 votes to lynch


Deadline: November 16, 3:10 PM EST.
Countdown: (expired on 2014-11-16 15:10:00)


Already we have good times.

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Post Post #4201 (isolation #6) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:32 am

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In post 4199, SXTLHGaiden wrote:synopsis:
pie is masons with someone
mastin-slot faked a guilty and is somehow not dead.

This is everything i remember from the game.


I was set to vote haj/Mastin so we'd have a real contest. But now I need to read the slot first.

So, for now,

Vote: ActionDan
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Post Post #4202 (isolation #7) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:32 am

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Oh, me, and me :up:

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Post Post #4207 (isolation #8) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:26 am

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In post 4204, Curiosity wrote:We know his role, as well as the fact that he's not going to fight this wagon, so feel free whenever guys

~Wis


We know Dan's role? Post#?

And why would he not fight the wagon?

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Post Post #4208 (isolation #9) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:26 am

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In post 4206, Curiosity wrote:peregrineV

~Wis


Confirm this

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Post Post #4210 (isolation #10) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:54 am

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Unvote.
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Post Post #4281 (isolation #11) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:10 pm

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In post 4262, Dreams of an Absolution wrote:all doublevoters are town


No. I did draw SK doublevoter offsite once.

Can I get a list of claims?

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Post Post #4282 (isolation #12) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:15 pm

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In post 4273, Curiosity wrote:
In post 4271, beeboy wrote:
In post 4267, Dreams of an Absolution wrote:so what if its a hammer lol? those of you on the wagon were bad for even making a wagon


Why would a town secret double-voter hammer without telling anyone?


Why would a town claim a fake guilty?

~Wis


Fake claiming guilty works if someone strong scumread someone but had zero shot of getting lynched bc widely townread.

Links to fakeclaim.

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Post Post #4322 (isolation #13) » Sat Nov 08, 2014 5:13 am

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Can I get a list of current claims and who fakeclaimed and when?
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Post Post #4328 (isolation #14) » Sat Nov 08, 2014 7:32 am

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So you are telling me that we have had a fake claim that drew masons out and seem designed to draw masons out that was not flash lynched?

Then we have a fakeclaimed guilty that was wrong and not autolynched?

We have supposed masons and neighbors both who scum are just letting live?

Half of everyone circle jerk confirming each other. Given how many "confirms" there are, you would think we would actually lynch a scum.

Are y'all considering a framer or just being derpy?
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Post Post #4329 (isolation #15) » Sat Nov 08, 2014 7:33 am

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Titus wrote the above obviously
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Post Post #4332 (isolation #16) » Sat Nov 08, 2014 7:41 am

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Explain. How is a claim of player X is masons or scum not designed to draw a mason? Whynot say masons neighbors or scum?
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Post Post #4333 (isolation #17) » Sat Nov 08, 2014 7:43 am

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In post 4331, purple hero wrote:
In post 4328, Birds of Prey wrote:Are y'all considering a framer or just being derpy?


well, there's a third option which is "haj was just being an asshole" which is what we're going with right now


And then he promptly lurks out of the game when all reaspn say flashwagon his slot?

Scum see a fake guilty by Dreams that draws the hypothetical masons out is not lynched.

Scum fakes a guilty on JN who is a very good hydra.

Seems pretty obvioushere.

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Post Post #4335 (isolation #18) » Sat Nov 08, 2014 7:48 am

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Dreams's guilty makes ZERO sense if described. Dreams gave two options. Masons or scum. If he's QT cop, neighbors should be a choice. Why did Dreams not consider neighbors? It seems like a ploy to draw out the masons.
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Post Post #4339 (isolation #19) » Sat Nov 08, 2014 7:58 am

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That series of posts makes zero sense from a town perspective. That is also not Wake perspective too much cirsing too little abrasiveness. Wake also is lower risk gambiter. Wake also tends to be anal about punctuation. If it is an alt, my guess would be ika.

3rd party belief would not be explicitly allowing a mason back door. Everyone allows a masonbackdoor. Then the talk would move to fuckery. That is a masonfish.
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Post Post #4341 (isolation #20) » Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:37 am

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Which game? When? Did town win.

I have never seen Wake fake claim cop.

From his perspective his gambits are low risk. He fakeclaimed bomb to lynch me bc I was the only one who would spot it but he thought zero risk bc I was scum.

Wake faking for a sorta third party is ridiculous. It ain't Wake.
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Post Post #4343 (isolation #21) » Sat Nov 08, 2014 9:28 am

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The thought of that game makes me want to drink.
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Post Post #4422 (isolation #22) » Sun Nov 09, 2014 5:18 am

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@Everyone can someone tell me why we are lynching Dan? I obviously haven't read but lynching Dan is basically the last thing I feel we should do strategically.

The fakeclaims were epically bad.

I will cede that it is unlikely that all the masons and neighbors are town. However, If there's scum there, the scum must keep the other pair alive or out themselves as likely scum.

Can someone give me game reasons why we are lynching Dan?
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Post Post #4423 (isolation #23) » Sun Nov 09, 2014 5:19 am

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^^^ Big shock forgot again.
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Post Post #4425 (isolation #24) » Sun Nov 09, 2014 5:47 am

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@Wis, yes but somewhat selectively. I still need to do more but I have never seen a fake guilty that reached lynch not be auto lynch or the peiple on the wagon get suspected bc they were on the wagon. I need to do more but strategically, Iwould rather have you and Mala alive. When Mala quits hanging out at my place for the meet, she will be easier to read.

I want toknow what you won't let go on.
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Post Post #4596 (isolation #25) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 6:45 am

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In post 4592, beeboy wrote:This game is hard i will just sheep conf town


Who is conftown?
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Post Post #4598 (isolation #26) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 6:52 am

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Because? I just see two conflicting improbable claims. That is why I would rather lynch Mastina.

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Post Post #4602 (isolation #27) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:21 am

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While I am townreading you, I have a few issues with this.

One, that's the kind of post I make after a retead/VCA but I understand your rushing to that conclusion from your perspective. I think you are likely town making AD and beeboy scum.

However, I want them to be forced to confirm it because you are damn goid as scum Wisdom. If they want to live, they must keep you and pie alive bc I will turbo lynch them if they don't. That is the consensus of the game state I believe?

Why are you so reluctant to see that lynching outside of the claimed pairs means more nights for you to arguably crack the game?

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Post Post #4603 (isolation #28) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:22 am

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I also do not think the mod would force an investigative forcer to do that during the day....


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Post Post #4606 (isolation #29) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:30 am

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Last question, is Captain normally done publically? Why isn't someone flipped as captain?

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Post Post #4608 (isolation #30) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:32 am

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Wisdom suppose for a moment masons + neighbors is really unlikely. That means you and pie scum or AD Beeboy from my perspective.

They don't want to be lynched. So they keep the masons alive to try and pain them as scum later.
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Post Post #4611 (isolation #31) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:40 am

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Why not shoot you or the captain then? They shot the maid. You read the wiki and the captain controls multiple roles.

I am townreading you but you are not conftown.
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Post Post #4612 (isolation #32) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:41 am

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In post 4609, Curiosity wrote:Masons and neighbors is not unlikely at all as it happens all the time. Next argument

~Wis


I haven't seen that at all during my time here I think.
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Post Post #4615 (isolation #33) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:50 am

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Peopleclaiming conftown and pushing lynches for reasons make me want to fucking lynch them.

I do not think that was a cop crumb. I don't care how hard you beat me over the head. I am trying to work with you.

You say masons and neighbors happens a lot. Well shit. Show me.

The hypothetical capitan claimer could try to draw a CC even in your scenario. Stop rushing and lynch obvscum with me.
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Post Post #4616 (isolation #34) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:51 am

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Quit acting like king of the universe and fucking just treat me with respect.
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Post Post #4640 (isolation #35) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:41 am

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Haven't had a chance to read or catch up with Titus, so right now I agree with her. :nerd:

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Post Post #4649 (isolation #36) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 11:10 am

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In post 4645, Curiosity wrote:
In post 4640, Birds of Prey wrote:Haven't had a chance to read or catch up with Titus, so right now I agree with her. :nerd:

~P

What do you agree about? Talk to me.

~Wis


Whatever she's posted. And I guess the Mastin vote, but that'll probably be the first thing I look at when I dig into the game.

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Post Post #4657 (isolation #37) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 11:53 am

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Mollie they won't claim bc they think conftown means a) they are always right and b) they do not have to work with people. Sad thing is they are not conftown.

Vote back Mastina with me please.

Mala is flying back to NY.



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Post Post #4660 (isolation #38) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 11:58 am

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Dude getting pissy because I am not agreeing with you is not talking.

Talking is communicating. Talking is explaining.

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Post Post #4661 (isolation #39) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:00 pm

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In post 4658, Curiosity wrote:And just wtf is your point mollie? We are conftown and we'll change our reads as much as we want.

~Wis


That is your right but if you want us to follow, they need to be explained. You see I got votes when I explained why haj's play suggested scuMastina. Talk. Try it.
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Post Post #4663 (isolation #40) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:04 pm

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Ok. I will just say I agree with the comments Mollie raised as to not spam the thread.

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Post Post #4665 (isolation #41) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:06 pm

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In post 4630, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 4628, Curiosity wrote:This game also had both neighbors and masons

~Wis


you are giving an example that is diametrically opposed to your supposed guilty investigation.

and i wonder why I have zero desire to sheep the alleged investigation.


This particularly. I will admit I haven't read it but Mollie has told me that it supports my position not yours.
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Post Post #4667 (isolation #42) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:08 pm

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My position is that all 4 of you are not town. Let's let the NK sort it out. That sort of thing just doesn't happen. Add in cop and BG. Really?

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Post Post #4670 (isolation #43) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:09 pm

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If your result on AD is real, why won't you claim it?

Why so hyper to lynch today? Why? Mastina is obvscum I actually have coherent reasons for.

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Post Post #4673 (isolation #44) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:14 pm

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In post 4669, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 4658, Curiosity wrote:And just wtf is your point mollie? We are conftown and we'll change our reads as much as we want.

~Wis


if time gave an investigative action THEN JUST FUCKING OUT IT. scum have a decision to make to whether or not to off you guys or time or pie since that is whom I think you received it from and it isn't like they could not this pick up in the first place.

eta: stahp ninjaing me


But didn't Wis say Time is the captain? Having a Mason Maid really? No. Don't think so. Stretching.

Wis just hates the idea of a Mastina lynch and is shitting up an investigative result. AD's reactionwas bad just confirms it. What did he expect a scumclaim? AD is going to claim bullshit. The timing of the relevation is pretty obvious.
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Post Post #4678 (isolation #45) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:24 pm

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That is personalitydifferences. Both are saying it is fake.
It is just as likely scumsay something is wrong bc they cannot attackconftown.

The fact dan attacked supposed conftown is actually evidence making him more likely to be town.
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Post Post #4683 (isolation #46) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:30 pm

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Then he did the former and said there's something wrong and called you a liar. That is attacking you. You don't have to call someone scum to attack them. You are doing a mighty fine job of attacking me and Mollie without calling us scum.

Either you can work with us and possibily get us to vote the way you want or you can antagonize us. You cannot call us idiots and think its a magical pill to get us to vote with you.

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Post Post #4686 (isolation #47) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:36 pm

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Why do you have dreams as town again?

Om join me on Mastina. If the wagon gets to big he might need to be civilized.

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Post Post #4691 (isolation #48) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:43 pm

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Conftown does not equal confright Wisdom. I was conftown in Guyett's Paranoid geology trip. Town sheeped me to flawless loss.

Om, bigger wagon on Mastina. Canwe talk about your Mastina townread?
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Post Post #4696 (isolation #49) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:47 pm

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Wis, you might as well be as I see zero way you cannot share what you know with the class as Masons do not act at night and you are not buying my theory.
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Post Post #4699 (isolation #50) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:50 pm

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Om, the fakeclaimers are scum. Read me and Mollie ISO together. It pretty much lays it out more specifically than "tone".
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Post Post #4701 (isolation #51) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:55 pm

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You want me to swallow three fakeclaiming townies in a single game? Really?
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Post Post #4705 (isolation #52) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:02 pm

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In post 4703, Titus wrote:Then why can't you claim Mala?


Me sorry
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Post Post #4731 (isolation #53) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:19 pm

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Post Post #4745 (isolation #54) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:15 pm

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Since when does breaking troll fluff > guilty if believed. I don't believe the guilty at all but that makes zero sense.

@Sonic/Wisdom, you mean I was the only one NOT snowed by the Friendly Neighbor claim.

@Sonic, I'm not townreading your slot. One of the fakeclaimers is probably scum at this point. You really think we can have two fakeclaiming scum be town?
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Post Post #4746 (isolation #55) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:16 pm

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In post 4740, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 4739, beeboy wrote:VOTE: Alch

So how did you go from AD IS OBVSCUM!!! on top of a guilty to let's lynch Alch instead?
Why isn't AD dead yet? pie's town, so ergo they are telling the truth, and ergo their guilty is true as well, i'm pretty sure wisdom wouldn't pull some BS, he's not best town performance for no reason.


The best town performance wouldn't eliminate a tool from the toolchest. I highly doubt Wisdom won best town for his performance but for his popularity.
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Post Post #4755 (isolation #56) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:45 pm

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In post 4750, Dreams of an Absolution wrote:
In post 4745, Birds of Prey wrote:Since when does breaking troll fluff > guilty if believed. I don't believe the guilty at all but that makes zero sense.

@Sonic/Wisdom, you mean I was the only one NOT snowed by the Friendly Neighbor claim.

@Sonic, I'm not townreading your slot. One of the fakeclaimers is probably scum at this point. You really think we can have two fakeclaiming scum be town?


ISO me.


To be fair, I'm thinking you're the most likely town out of the fake claimers but I find it very difficult to trust those who fake claim a psuedo guilty, especially one that made no sense.
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Post Post #4758 (isolation #57) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:50 pm

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In post 4757, Dreams of an Absolution wrote:It doesn't make sense cause you don't have all the info yet. That makes sense.


Ok, can you give me a hint as to what I am missing? I'm just seeing a shit ton of power and zero balance here. That cannot be right.

1) Cop, 2) Masons, 3) Neighbors, 4) Captain, 5) Whatever the hell wisdom is claiming... so on and so forth.
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Post Post #4761 (isolation #58) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:52 pm

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Oh I forgot the transformer, if a the Maid was blocked, the transformer could just investigate... this doesn't sound OP as fuck..
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Post Post #4762 (isolation #59) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:54 pm

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In post 4759, Dreams of an Absolution wrote:This game is role madness if you haven't realised from the flips lolol


That would explain some things... but my question is why is Wisdom not thinking scum could have fucked with his result in that case?

Why aren't we just scumhunting and lynching, which leads us to lynching Mastina?
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Post Post #4764 (isolation #60) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:57 pm

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In post 4760, Dreams of an Absolution wrote:You need to read the context and circumstances of the whole game.

right now you appear to have not read the game yet, correct?2


Why do I need to read pages upon pages of mistakes and lies when I can scumhunt for a couple of game days and crack it via VCA.
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Post Post #4774 (isolation #61) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:31 pm

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If you're a backup PR, shouldn't you be the transformer?

Rolestop and jailkeep? Isn't that redundant? Who is the they you are talking about? Slow down please.

Mollie.... noooooo Mastina is the much more likely guilty one. She's lurking the wagon away on her.
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Post Post #4789 (isolation #62) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:52 pm

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Ok, I am so coming back to this tomorrow, when I get smashed and I'm done taking Action Dan to the airport so we both can be off VLA.

People need to slow down and CALMLY explain what is going on here.
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Post Post #4797 (isolation #63) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:55 pm

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Sonic, help the dumb people please. I don't vote without knowing WHY I am voting.
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Post Post #4802 (isolation #64) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:59 pm

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@Sonic, you know that's going to drive me paranoid. Sit down, explain it to me about your latest rambling and why your scumteam is correct? We've got so many people rambling about OMG this is LIKE THIS ONE TRUTH that it makes it impossible for me to do my damn job!
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Post Post #4815 (isolation #65) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 5:17 pm

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In post 4810, purple hero wrote:Why is he vla now when he has been at the meet all weekend?


I would suppose he VLAed the entire time. I guess he didn't. *shrug* I'm taking him to the airport in an hour. He's packing at the moment.
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Post Post #4822 (isolation #66) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:12 pm

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Ok so I'm back. Titus's Tavern is officially over. :'( I'm going to cry because I'm lonely but happy to have my house back.
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Post Post #4828 (isolation #67) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:17 pm

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Mollie.. I really don't know at this point. I hate lurking but considering I know very little at this point useful, I'm tempted to just let them yell at each other until a theory comes out and then critically analyze it.
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Post Post #4829 (isolation #68) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:19 pm

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In post 4827, pieguyn wrote:you gotta be fucking kidding me. why is anyone leaving the Dan wagon? my case on him still stands; not to mention his recent play looks like scum who is just throwing as much "frustration" as possible in a last ditch effort to get townread. the way he is getting frustrated doesn't match at all with him previously not giving a shit at all about the wagon on him.

DOAA is also 95% town. their action actually does make sense, and scum DOAA really has no reason to bother gatekeeping Wisdom, which would have to be the case for Dan to be town. please don't fall for this shit.


Scum DOAA would have reason to jailkeep Wisdom. It's called scum only get one kill per night. Second, Wisdom could be faking it. Third, it could be town dreams jailkeeping Wisdom.

We aren't reaching any conclusion based on "guilties" until the hood is looked into.
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Post Post #4837 (isolation #69) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:35 pm

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:facepalm Yo! Wisdom, any chance you might have overlooked a town doctor healing you since you know 90% of the game thinks you are conftown?

Mollie, I don't think Wisdom is scum. His play would be too boneheaded for scum.
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Post Post #4845 (isolation #70) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:40 pm

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Mod: Could a doctor heal a hypothetical death from a Desperado claim?


Pie, if a doctor cannot stop a desperado attempt from the attacker (Curiosity) then how could a scum doctor heal Action Dan?
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Post Post #4846 (isolation #71) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:41 pm

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In post 4843, beastcharizard wrote:Darn, didn't realize I was in prod range. Oops.

Won't happen again.


Yeah it will as most mods do not count this lack of content shit. Give me some content so I can read you.
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Post Post #4848 (isolation #72) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:42 pm

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In post 4847, pieguyn wrote:
In post 4845, Birds of Prey wrote:
Mod: Could a doctor heal a hypothetical death from a Desperado claim?


Pie, if a doctor cannot stop a desperado attempt from the attacker (Curiosity) then how could a scum doctor heal Action Dan?

ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?

THE DESPERADO KILL ITSELF IS A STANDARD FUCKING KILL. OF COURSE A DOCTOR CAN SAVE FROM IT.


Which is it? It can heal or it can't.
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Post Post #4853 (isolation #73) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:45 pm

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In post 4850, pieguyn wrote:I AM SICK AND TIRED OF TOWNS WHO BLATANTLY IGNORE THE FUCKING FACTS AND INSTEAD FALL FOR WHAT IS NOT EVEN MEDIOCRE SCUMPLAY.

I AM THIS FUCKING CLOSE TO REPLACING OUT. GOD WHAT THE FUCK


Take a chill pill.

Reflect. Grab a beer.

If you want me not to fall for something, it helps to explain what and how I'm falling for cooly and rationally.
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Post Post #4860 (isolation #74) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:51 pm

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http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... ado_(Role)

The wiki seems to state that the Desperado's victim is just as vulnerable as the attacker and vice versa. There is no "nothing can stop it" at all.


Pie, your case depends on assuming 1 DOAA is scum and scumclaimed AND no town doctor healed conftown...Cool your jets.


Mollie, we can take a look at Curiosity tomorrow. I don't think he's conftown but I don't think we are tearing through that facade today. I tried that shit before in InuYasha mafia. Tearing apart bullshit conftowns is nearly impossible but I'll need your help to do it.
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Post Post #4864 (isolation #75) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:54 pm

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A Desperado is a role that targets a player during the day in-thread to perform the following action on. If the target is scum (mafia), then their target is killed. If not, they die in a valiant "desperado" attempt.


That's the entire wiki text for desperado that's explaining the role.

It doesn't say "docs cannot heal".
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Post Post #4867 (isolation #76) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:55 pm

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In post 4863, Om of the Nom wrote:VOTE: dan
look i dont want dan lynched but this game has got to go to night before half the playerlist implodes fucking heck


Day late and a dollar short. We are not just lynching people because some are yelling.

That's pretty much repeating Gundam Seed all over again.
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Post Post #4868 (isolation #77) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:57 pm

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In post 4866, pirate mollie wrote:I am sick to death of playing vt and feeling obligated to stick with it.


Mollie, you are starting to figure some things out as VT that everyone is losing in the setup spec. Just stay calm. I think I am reading you right and if so we can crack the game by just proceeding cautiously and methodically since you understand the game history and I can crack the setup spec.
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Post Post #4874 (isolation #78) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:11 pm

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In post 4873, pieguyn wrote:and there still can't be a fucking doc on top of a gatekeeper and 1x bodyguard anyway. there is just no way in hell

ofc, mastin and/or Ank will mist over this by calling DOAA scum



You've said this is role madness... so you're excluding a doctor... and the possibility of a scum roleblocker or appropriate counterbalancing power. Really? *smack*

Just stop tunnelling reset.
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Post Post #4882 (isolation #79) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:15 pm

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In post 4878, Curiosity wrote:Titus pls tell me you aren't thinkng that we are scum. PLEASE TELL ME THATS NOT WHAT IM READING.

~M

In post 4879, Sakura Hana wrote:See mollie you're not following the game.
You're voting masons that Jingle inno crumbed and you didnt read Jingle's role flip.

Mala, I think you are town but not conftown.

Sak, that's just Jingle rereading the thread.
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Post Post #4884 (isolation #80) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:17 pm

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In post 4877, pieguyn wrote:er, I never said this is role madness, nor do I think it is. Kagami flipped VT

and no, I am excluding a doctor IN THE SAME SETUP as BOTH a gatekeeper and 1x bodyguard. you just don't put that much protection in one setup.

p-edit: @Titus


With someone giving out Desperado items, I can see it.

Plus we have a shit ton of cops neighbors masons etc.
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Post Post #4886 (isolation #81) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:18 pm

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In post 4883, Sakura Hana wrote:If that's just jingle reading the thread why did he die over masons?


Scum misread it
Scum want to frame Masons
Masons are scum and reaching for cred after rolecopping him

That's for starters...
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Post Post #4891 (isolation #82) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:20 pm

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In post 4888, Curiosity wrote:
In post 4837, Birds of Prey wrote:Yo! Wisdom, any chance you might have overlooked a town doctor healing you since you know 90% of the game thinks you are conftown?

A doc doesn't save a desperado from dying.

We also asked whether we would die if we shot town-BP. the answer was yes.

~Wis


The wiki does not bar that possibility.
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Post Post #4893 (isolation #83) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:21 pm

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In post 4890, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 4886, Birds of Prey wrote:
In post 4883, Sakura Hana wrote:If that's just jingle reading the thread why did he die over masons?


Scum misread it
Scum want to frame Masons
Masons are scum and reaching for cred after rolecopping him

That's for starters...

You're reaching


That's what people said about Young and Beautiful in InuYasha too.
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Post Post #4896 (isolation #84) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:26 pm

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Wrong.

I must asdume that

1) Crumb did not exist.
2) Scum thought it did.
3) Scum killed who they thought was cop.
4) Jingle rejected the mission bc he thought the investigation target sucked or thought Time was scum or thought Wisdom was obvious or...
5) Scum killed Jingle bc crumb mistake.

Gamestate is the same.
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Post Post #4897 (isolation #85) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:27 pm

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In post 4895, Curiosity wrote:
In post 4845, Birds of Prey wrote:
Mod: Could a doctor heal a hypothetical death from a Desperado claim?


Pie, if a doctor cannot stop a desperado attempt from the attacker (Curiosity) then how could a scum doctor heal Action Dan?


A doc can protect the person who is shot by the desperado. They can't protect the desperado from passively dying when they shoot town. The two are different.

~Wis


The wiki makes no such distinction. I literally just had that discussion with Pie and quoted it.
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Post Post #4901 (isolation #86) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:30 pm

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In post 4899, Curiosity wrote:
In post 4852, Sakura Hana wrote:i just dont think that pushing that angle confirms him as scum

Weak role death is passive too and can be stopped by a doctor.
Hider death is passive, but can't be stopped by a doctor because hider can't be targeted while hiding.
Methinks Desperado works like the weak role death.


That doesn't make sense. The weak role/desperado are not shot by someone. They reflexively die. Therefore there's not a kill to stop.

Anyway we'll learn soon

~Wis


Agreed. Let's get the boundaries of the area first.

Any chance we can find a "mission accepted" crumb from Jingle?
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Post Post #4905 (isolation #87) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:31 pm

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In post 4900, Curiosity wrote:
In post 4891, Birds of Prey wrote:
In post 4888, Curiosity wrote:
In post 4837, Birds of Prey wrote:Yo! Wisdom, any chance you might have overlooked a town doctor healing you since you know 90% of the game thinks you are conftown?

A doc doesn't save a desperado from dying.

We also asked whether we would die if we shot town-BP. the answer was yes.

~Wis


The wiki does not bar that possibility.


I asked the mod directly. Because I was thinking about that.

Just find it crappy that we have this modifier on this role and it just sucks because we have to be so accurate.

~M


This kind of accuracy is important. It's how I caught Young and Beautiful's claim. I didn't let bad logic through. We go step by step.
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Post Post #4907 (isolation #88) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:33 pm

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In post 4904, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 4896, Birds of Prey wrote:Wrong.

I must asdume that

1) Crumb did not exist.
2) Scum thought it did.
3) Scum killed who they thought was cop.
4) Jingle rejected the mission bc he thought the investigation target sucked or thought Time was scum or thought Wisdom was obvious or...
5) Scum killed Jingle bc crumb mistake.

Gamestate is the same.

You're missing the fact that time claimed to be controlling Jingle without know who they were controlling nor their alignment and that they ordered them to inspect curiosity n1
Jingle was the ONLY person to say something relatively close to an inno crumb wrt curiosity D2.
So there


None of that says Jingle accepted the mission. That only says Time thought Jingle would.
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Post Post #4911 (isolation #89) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:35 pm

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In post 4908, Curiosity wrote:
In post 4874, Birds of Prey wrote:and the possibility of a scum roleblocker or appropriate counterbalancing power.

So what are you suggesting? That a scum RB blocked a claimed mason? Why?

~Wis


No. I was suggesting a scum RB could exist if a town doctor exists allowing a doctor to heal you.
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Post Post #4913 (isolation #90) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:36 pm

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In post 4909, pieguyn wrote:..... jingle literally crumbed an inno at the start of D2

moreover, any town aligned player would have no reason to reject a free investigation on someone. like, fucking really?


I see rereading during the night.

I would reject a claim if I was worried about a framer.
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Post Post #4915 (isolation #91) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:37 pm

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Why wouldn't Jingle crumb mission accepted or somesuch. If he did, I would accept that as a crumb.
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Post Post #4918 (isolation #92) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:40 pm

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Even if it is Godfather also works.

Wisdom/Mala, the only innocents are bodies. If one of you flips, the other is conftown.

I do not take it as a crumb and the logic put forth is why town lost InuYasha mafia.
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Post Post #4921 (isolation #93) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:43 pm

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In post 4919, Curiosity wrote:
In post 4896, Birds of Prey wrote:or thought Time was scum

Jingle didn't know his captain, see his role pm

~Wis


All the more reason to think scum Captain.
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Post Post #4924 (isolation #94) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:44 pm

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In post 4920, Curiosity wrote:
In post 4896, Birds of Prey wrote:he thought the investigation target sucked or thought Time was scum or thought Wisdom was obvious or...

And even if he thought the investigation sucked he had no reason to reject it. Better be sure than just.confident in a read

~Wis


Scum Captain plus Framer.
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Post Post #4927 (isolation #95) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:45 pm

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In post 4923, pieguyn wrote:not everyone plays the same way you do. just bc you don't crumb in that way does not mean no one else would (e.g. the "vig" from NY168) in this case, what he did is the textbook inno crumb and something 99% of players would establish as such.


I am not saying no one else would. I just do not think it is a crumb.
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Post Post #4933 (isolation #96) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:49 pm

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In post 4926, Sakura Hana wrote:A godfather in the scumteam with captain scum telling jingle to scan the godfather.
That's quite an itneresting theory but too farfetched if not for the fact that i used a similar tactic in madoka.


That is simpler.

Scum captain clearing a buddy or framing a townie. Either works. If I do not know the captain, it is a possibility.


I gtg to bed. Ttyl.
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Post Post #5058 (isolation #97) » Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:28 am

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In post 4976, Saki wrote:Byakuren Hijiri, Light Martyr.
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Pretty badass.


No nightkills go through the night of the day that I'm lynched


Mod: Is this kind of wuoting allowed?
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Post Post #5481 (isolation #98) » Fri Nov 14, 2014 3:56 am

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In post 5455, pieguyn wrote:
In post 5451, SXTLHGaiden wrote:If there is something I've learned from skype mafia with titus, it's that if she isn't death tunnelling, then she isn't town.
i'm required to act under this assumption for the same reason that any non-POE scum hunt from ns means that ns is scum.

tbh the more I look through BOP's ISO the more I agree with the conclusion, I just wanted you to post your reason :p

purple hero wrote:I think that'll work, Mastins kinda gotten me to rethink my Om read but I'm thinking time. I understand he's the creator and such of our world, but I don't understand why he hasn't been killed yet

why would Time get killed here, quite literally, ever?


What was I doing but death tunnelling dreams and Mastina yesterday?

Can y'all seriously slow down on the rate of posting?

Did no one else notice Saki on the posting of her supposed role pm and having zero action taken? That means it must be fake.

VOTE: Saki

I think shooting Dreams was a trap by scum to force a Mastina speed lynch relying on me keeping up despite the mountain of work I have.
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Post Post #5482 (isolation #99) » Fri Nov 14, 2014 3:58 am

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In post 5480, Curiosity wrote:The more I think about it, the more I think that's the case

So something like {BoP, Ank, Om, beast}

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Post Post #5483 (isolation #100) » Fri Nov 14, 2014 3:58 am

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Then you will have a few conftown to work with.

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