InuYasha Mafia (Game Over)

[Young and Beautiful]

@Y&B - why didn't you discuss my stated reasoning for finding the posts townish? Like, you ignore that the one case, half-arsed it may be, was still tied as the biggest case Abomination made all game. It is in *context* not in isolation that it suggests an issue with BoP being a buddy.

I don't understand. Can you please rephrase?

And no, that isn't a case. Abomination played poorly, and that 'case' was obviously written in lesser time that I had taken to respond to your post.

Also, literature student or no - please explain why a scum player would call out another scum player for trying to tie a town player to a scumbuddy. What, were they hedging their bets on how bad that one would go down or something? Explain to me the scum strategy there please.

Distancing. BulbaFenix was obviously not interested in playing the game, or playing a scum role. He was obviously expecting to go down some time in the future; it would be better to distance from BoP, assuming she is scum, as Titus has more willpower to play the game and carry it for the team. Plus, there was also an added intention to paint Egg as scum as well.

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[Young and Beautiful]

Learn to Meta.

That's why BoP is #1 lynch target!

[Young and Beautiful]

Name	Flavor	Race	Role/Abilities	Actions	Comments	Alignment
Lord Mhork	Renkotsu	Undead	1-shot Watcher
shos	InuYasha	Demon	Scenter Empathic Vigilante
ProHawk	Tsubaki	Human	Shard Thief
Oversoul	Urasue	Demon	Race Miller
Squirrel Girl			Doublevoter
BeastCharizrd	Sango	Human	Poison Immune
notscience	Kohaku	Human	Faustian Pupper
Birds of Prey	Hakudoshi	Demon	Ascetic
ActionDan		Human	Poison Doctor
Kagami	Princess Abi	Demon	Faustian Puppet
Majiffy	Ryujin	Demon	Faustian Puppet
Neil1113		Demon	Neighbour
Young and Beautiful	Jijenji	Demon	Friendly Neighbour
TheGoat	Kagome	Human	Shard Cop
Penguin_Alien	Ginta	Demon	Neighbour
BBMolla	Midoriko	Human	JoaT
Egg			2-shot Tracker
zMuffinMan		Demon	VT
Lemniscate	Jakotsu	Undead	2-shot nonconsecutive Ninja			SCUM
AngryIceRink	Ryukotsusei	Demon	VT			TOWN
Mist7676	Miroku	Human	Demon Cop			TOWN
geists	Rin	Human	VT			TOWN
Xofelf	Shippo	Demon	JoaT			TOWN
Abomination	Bankotsu	Undead	Even night Jewel Cop / 1-shot Jewel Thief			SCUM
The Chamber of Kittens	Hakkaku	Demon	Neighbour			TOWN
Serene2	Hosenki	Demon	Shard Holder			TOWN
Aronis	Suikotsu	Undead	1-shot Odd-night Poison Doctor			SCUM
Nero Cain	Sota Higurashi	Human	VT			TOWN

Someone complete this. I have no time or will and this is much easier to navigate and read.

Right, I just thought of something very important.

Not all the claims that have been given are truthful.

There is still a Reviver, and they are obviously keeping their role and identity a secret.

It goes without saying that there are other claims that are either blatant lies or lying by omission.
- - - - - -

There might be a chance that BoP is town.

Birds of Prey, are you the Reviver?

Think carefully before you answer this question.

It is a critical moment.

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[Young and Beautiful]

I know, B! This game is so big and it's so exciting but that's also why from here on I'm just going to cheer for B from the sidelines.

As for the rest of you children, no trashtalking B! You guys just need to all take a step back and watch B put her scumhunting SHINE on! She is always right! Always!

I believe in you, B! Keep it up!

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[Young and Beautiful]

I love you too Y! :*

I missed you so much! Your scum-pushing skills are magnificent, and it is difficult for a beautiful lady like myself to push heavy wagons...

I do wish you can join us on Day 6 though, and I'll catch you up! You can pretend that the first 5 days didn't happen and start afresh on a new day!


We're going to make history!~

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[Young and Beautiful]

OK B, but please first check your main! I just sent you a PM containing content!~ :*

Kiss! Kiss! Fall in Love!,

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[Young and Beautiful]

We're going to be part of a record-breaking game in Mafiascum! Aren't you excited?

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[Young and Beautiful]

Shut your pie hole and leave B alone Lord Mhork! She is doing just fine without you yelling at her...

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[Young and Beautiful]

Who's spamming?

I'm not the one who surpassed shos's postcount despite being VLA from Day 2 to Day 4!

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[Young and Beautiful]

Honestly though, our activity rates are similarly active. The only difference is that BoP quintuple posts and they mostly are flawed logic.

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[Young and Beautiful]

Don't misrepresent me.

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[Young and Beautiful]

Shut up shut up shut up! You have NO idea how right B is 90% of the time!

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[Young and Beautiful]

No-

pe

.

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[Young and Beautiful]

In all seriousness, you need to stop treating B like she's scum or wrong just because you disagree with her. Studies show that when you disagree with B,

you

are usually the one in the wrong. Let B do her thing, and sheep her when you feel mentally ready to commit to a scum lynch.

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[Young and Beautiful]

You will see in due time...but for now, remember: remind yourself: if I disagree with B, I am probably in the wrong...studies

Show

I am in the wrong...I must let go of my differences and let B keep hunting, because B is always right and I trust her 110%...

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[Young and Beautiful]

Oh, this will be good.

I love you Y!


@Mhork I have some pretty nasty things to say, but I'm above that. Just... stay out of my way. You can gloat if you're right, but until then, just sheep me?

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[Young and Beautiful]

Here are the differences.

I think Titus is scum. I don't think you are.

I love Titus like I love Y. However, I have no feelings for you.

So here's this. I'm just going to ignore you until BoP flips. If she flips town as you say, I'll eat some humble pie. Otherwise, I'll think twice about being in any games that you are in.

You're frustrating.


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[Young and Beautiful]

Reviver?
Can we PLEASE have a massclaim(SG, AD, etc)

BoP beat your post count. Amazing, right?

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[Young and Beautiful]

You don't need a rocket scientist to tell you that it was a terrible case. Also one of the main reasons the town advocated a policy lynch against them.

It was so weak that it should be immediately dismissed.

[Young and Beautiful]

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[Young and Beautiful]

That's all you have to say? I wrote one whole paragraph for you to respond in a mocking tone?

Thanks.

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[Young and Beautiful]

Uh, ActionDan is posting in other games but not here. He needs to hang too.

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[Young and Beautiful]

I think you have to explain more on what the significance of Abomination's post is, and what it means for the town and for BoP.

Right now, I'm not sure I understand your post, or the point that you are trying to make. I might be misinterpreting the point of your post and this makes it difficult to take your post seriously.

Right now, my comment is that: A poor case is a poor case. It means as much as toilet paper, even if the author has only produced two pieces of it. Besides, I'm not sure if Abomination's poor demeanor was because they were scum, or just disinterested in the game as a whole.

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P edit: Jesus Christ. Not reading that.

[Young and Beautiful]

Well, I expect him to be back after BoP flips then, along with the lurkers Beast and notscience and friends. And also my beloved Y~

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[Young and Beautiful]

VOTE: BBMolla

Your vote is on the wrong person.

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[Young and Beautiful]

That said, if Beastcharizard Gets hanged, he won't be missed.

[Young and Beautiful]

Oh, alright.

Beastcharizard, can you put your vote on Birds of prey please?

Vote: bop

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[Young and Beautiful]

Hannah watered the Ironstorm that is what she said the KX.


Shhhhhhhhhhh


Vote bop
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[Young and Beautiful]

That's a good mindset to have!

I hope that you can help us by voting Titus!~ *hugs and kisses*

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[Young and Beautiful]

Hannah watered the Ironstorm that is what she said the KX.


Shhhhhhhhhhh


Vote bop
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what the fuck is this?

You know exactly what this is!

All I want is your vote on Titus by the end of the day! *hugs*

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[Young and Beautiful]

<3 <3

Thank you !!~~

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[Young and Beautiful]

We can have a bird's head today? ^_^

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[Young and Beautiful]

Desperate scum!

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[Young and Beautiful]

Titus is scum. You pretty much don't want to listen to anything she says. She has 800 posts in the game in 2 weeks.

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[Young and Beautiful]

Well my numbers are wrong but pretty much that idea.

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[Young and Beautiful]

Sorry. I still have more credibility and town power than you, believe it or not.

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[Young and Beautiful]

I think you have to explain more on what the significance of Abomination's post is, and what it means for the town and for BoP.

Right now, I'm not sure I understand your post, or the point that you are trying to make. I might be misinterpreting the point of your post and this makes it difficult to take your post seriously.

[Young and Beautiful]

No on both counts.

Really.

I try to talk to you seriously, but everytime... argh.

Titustown is very reasonable, she does not argue against facts and logic. Titusscum denies everything that is not in her favor.

Keep going, 7 votes on you is to 0 on me.

I am sheeping you for the rest of the game. That just made this whole game for me. Not even joking.

Please tell me you are not that oblivious to the gamestate.

[Young and Beautiful]

As far as I can tell your point is "any weak case is auto-dismissable"

Yes it is. You didn't hear me wrongly.

But that is BS.

There we go. Differences in opinion. Looks like we have to agree to disagree on that one.

He made *many* MUCH WEAKER cases. For some reason (weak as the final product may be) he decided to give it the ol' college try on that one.
I think YOU need to justify why scum him would do that when voting for a scumbuddy, even though he voted known town that way as his only other effort induced attempt, and as far as we are thus aware no other vote of his ended up on scum. So why does that case become dismissable and 'on a scumbuddy' for you?

It's an attempt to look town and to distance, haven't I explained this already? The effort put into that "case" was so poor that it would never have led to any definite adverse consequences whatsoever. I took a longer time writing this post than for them to write that "case", probably. It's a vote coupled with some links to past Tituscum games. Ignoring the links, the "case" itself is less than forty words. Seriously. How you even find that even remotely notable is beyond me.

Unless you mean that the large amount
of
enter
keys
is
making
that
post
look
long.


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[Young and Beautiful]

Are their shots used up?

If not they must use one on me tonight or die. Why they haven't already used one on me is beyond me since I am unpoisonable. Like there is little chance I am going to die. I still believe poison is the kill of the game.

P-edit:
VOTE: BBmolla

Only because this is the vote I actually want.

Please put your vote back on Titus please <3 <3

They are lying to you, please don't listen to a liar!

I've used up all my shots, sadly. My action failed N1 and I used my action on the towniest player N2 but scum killed them also. I used my action on a townread (BBMolla) who isn't so universally towny, and a bit scummy N3 so that he didn't die, and it was successful.

Please put your vote back on Titus please <3 <3

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[Young and Beautiful]

As far as I can tell your point is "any weak case is auto-dismissable"

Yes it is. You didn't hear me wrongly.

But that is BS.

There we go. Differences in opinion. Looks like we have to agree to disagree on that one.

I read that as 'weak handwave' for the record.


@BoP - I dunno, I never read Day 1, only ever did mini iso peaks.

I don't understand you. Can you speak in English, please?

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[Young and Beautiful]

I think you have to explain more on what the significance of Abomination's post is, and what it means for the town and for BoP.

Right now, I'm not sure I understand your post, or the point that you are trying to make. I might be misinterpreting the point of your post and

this makes it difficult to take your post seriously.

It is getting more and more difficult, yes.

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[Young and Beautiful]

I'm calling you scum who is interacting with me like scum.

Right, so I wasted my time. Again.

Thanks a lot.


What happened to the other two posts that I have rebutted? Gone? Forfeited? Nothing to say? I'm right?

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[Young and Beautiful]

Like, I'm trying to decipher what your post means and what you are trying to say, because your piss-bad argumentative skills make it difficult for someone logical to understand the impact of your point, and you dismiss me just like that? I respond to you in a nice and understanding manner, in order to address your concerns, and you give me that shit?

Sorry if I feel offended.

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[Young and Beautiful]

I didn't find the conversation very worthwhile because you declared that 'effort' is an objective as opposed to subjective state. Which is a patently ridiculous stance to take, and strikes me as the black and white mentality of a scum mindset rather than someone actually interested in sussing out an alignment.

Both my avatar and Titus's main avatar is in black and white. A player is either Town or Not Town. I find it an acceptable stance, and you finding it "ridiculous" is merely your opinion.

There is a maxim on mafiascum that effort is not indicative of alignment. Titus is obviously putting effort, but I still think she's scum. Mastin, as a player, puts in a lot of effort as scum, and this wins her games.

Aunt Jemima, your dear partner-in-crime in Marvel Avengers Alliance, was easily putting in the most effort at the end of the game, but she was the last scum.


If I feel that you respond to this in a condescending way or in a manner that is disrespectful, I'm going to treat you like that Squirrel

Girl

that you are and talk to you as if you're a 5-year-old. Infuriating.

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[Young and Beautiful]

I feel I was willing and able to explain my point multiple times and it was not until you took a logic hardline that I backed away from the discussion.

What was your understanding of your stance that i reacted negatively to?

Well, your explanation was insufficient. I said

"I think you have to explain more on what the significance of Abomination's post is, and what it means for the town and for BoP."

what it means for the town and for BoP

Hello? All you were saying was: "Abomination was making a case! That's unusual because he has only made two cases! This must be important!"

Pardon me if I have misintepreted your post.

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[Young and Beautiful]

Okay, looks like I have to prompt you step-by-step in order to troubleshoot this misunderstanding.

Why do you feel that Abomination only makes his "cases" on town?

[Young and Beautiful]

She's deliberately being blind, let me tell you that. I've repeated umpteen times throughout the game, Titus isn't dumb. Neither is PeregrineV for that matter, but he's deferring to whatever Titus says, obviously.


And for those who believe what she's saying -- they're blind too.

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[Young and Beautiful]

Welcome back! I've been waiting for you all day.

Okay, if Abomination made three cases, I'd agree with you there. Unfortunately, 2 is an even number. There could be an equal chance that he could have made his case on town or scum. He might have made cases on two town, or one scum one town. It's a nice number, and we don't know the answer of how they work.

Can I see the Nero case that you so reference? Let's compare patterns.

And my next question: Abomination was a hydra of 7 players. Did the same player post both two cases? How do you know that they will both post it on town?

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[Young and Beautiful]

Titus, I have to tip my hat to you. You actually managed to make BBmolla the leading wagon over yourself... Well done.


Amazing.
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[Young and Beautiful]

Beastcharizard, please vote Titus

I need your vote. You need to trust that I am right.

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[Young and Beautiful]

Muffin and majiffy too, deadline is here, and the wagon pressure is starting to form. It's about time to get into formation and lynch scumbirds.

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[Young and Beautiful]

Hannah watered the Ironstorm that is what she said the KX.


Shhhhhhhhhhh


Vote bop
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what the fuck is this?

You know exactly what this is!

All I want is your vote on Titus by the end of the day! *hugs*

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[Young and Beautiful]

I'm hoping for the remaining people on the BoP wagon to be Egg, Muffin, Majiffy and notscience. Squirrel Girl and Mhork are probably town but are too enchanted by scum!Titus to come to their senses. That's forgivable, Titus is really strong.

I'm trying to fix Squirrel Girl at the moment but I won't have access to my computer for today and its very inconvenient to read the Nero quotes -__-

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[Young and Beautiful]

The wagons are equal now, thanks to you. Honestly, I wasn't expecting Titus to get this far. That was quite surprising, and impressive.

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[Young and Beautiful]

Beast. Listen to me. Vote Titus.

You heard me loud and clear.

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[Young and Beautiful]

Scum is already laid out on a platter, I don't know what else I can do but whine

Heheh. If you were in Marvel Avengers Alliance, you might have had to go to a mental hospital.

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[Young and Beautiful]

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[Young and Beautiful]

Name	Flavor	Race	Role/Abilities	Actions	Comments	Alignment
Lord Mhork	Renkotsu	Undead	1-shot Watcher
shos	InuYasha	Demon	Scenter Empathic Vigilante
ProHawk	Tsubaki	Human	Shard Thief
Oversoul	Urasue	Demon	Race Miller
Squirrel Girl			Doublevoter
BeastCharizrd	Sango	Human	Poison Immune
notscience	Kohaku	Human	Faustian Pupper
Birds of Prey	Hakudoshi	Demon	Ascetic
ActionDan		Human	Poison Doctor
Kagami	Princess Abi	Demon	Faustian Puppet
Majiffy	Ryujin	Demon	Faustian Puppet
Neil1113		Demon	Neighbour
Young and Beautiful	Jijenji	Demon	Friendly Neighbour
TheGoat	Kagome	Human	Shard Cop
Penguin_Alien	Ginta	Demon	Neighbour
BBMolla	Midoriko	Human	JoaT
Egg			2-shot Tracker
zMuffinMan		Demon	VT
Lemniscate	Jakotsu	Undead	2-shot nonconsecutive Ninja			SCUM
AngryIceRink	Ryukotsusei	Demon	VT			TOWN
Mist7676	Miroku	Human	Demon Cop			TOWN
geists	Rin	Human	VT			TOWN
Xofelf	Shippo	Demon	JoaT			TOWN
Abomination	Bankotsu	Undead	Even night Jewel Cop / 1-shot Jewel Thief			SCUM
The Chamber of Kittens	Hakkaku	Demon	Neighbour			TOWN
Serene2	Hosenki	Demon	Shard Holder			TOWN
Aronis	Suikotsu	Undead	1-shot Odd-night Poison Doctor			SCUM
Nero Cain	Sota Higurashi	Human	VT			TOWN

Someone complete this. I have no time or will and this is much easier to navigate and read.

Right, I just thought of something very important.

Not all the claims that have been given are truthful.

There is still a Reviver, and they are obviously keeping their role and identity a secret.

It goes without saying that there are other claims that are either blatant lies or lying by omission.
- - - - - -

There might be a chance that BoP is town.

Birds of Prey, are you the Reviver?

Think carefully before you answer this question.

It is a critical moment.

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[Young and Beautiful]

stupid me

Kaze no Kizu: Majiffy

You should've shot Beastcharizard. They've never acted so defiant as town when I've used the jal Monty Hall Problem tell.

He is now as conf scum as BoP.

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[Young and Beautiful]

What do I get for following you?

You should know I am suspicious of you. You know for sure 100% how to get on my good side. Like last night I felt joy like none other I have felt in any other game because of what you did. It makes me suspicious of you.

You got my two hearts. Was that not enough? Then you cheated my feelings by following Titus.

You are a feelings-cheater. Bad bad bad.

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[Young and Beautiful]

Majiffy is one of the ones I'm counting on to vote BoP.

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[Young and Beautiful]

What do I get for following you?

You should know I am suspicious of you. You know for sure 100% how to get on my good side. Like last night I felt joy like none other I have felt in any other game because of what you did. It makes me suspicious of you.

You got my two hearts. Was that not enough? Then you cheated my feelings by following Titus.

You are a feelings-cheater. Bad bad bad.

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You know that feeling you get about notscience? I have that about you. I have read you wrong before, stupid MetalSonic, and I don't want to do it again. I have done nothing all game and I don't want to be the reason we lose. You are the person I know could manipulate me into doing what you wanted as scum.

I don't think so. And a nice guess, but I'm a lady ~

If you still failed to guess who I am, then it's obvious that you are unable to read me. You need to trust me.

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[Young and Beautiful]

Yeah. Smart phone. I'd rather you quote them rather than link them.

[Young and Beautiful]

We are not risking the lynch of another god damn town JOAT!

Seriously, if both of the town's JOATs die by lynch, then the town will be mocked as fools; especially in the record breaking game of Mafiascum.

Let's have a hypothetical scenario where both of the lynches are on Town and today is doomed for failure. BoP will still be the better lynch; 'Ascetic Town Spammer' is what we call it, as compared to 'Town JOAT'

Of course, BoP is the right scum lynch today, and if she manages to bring down a large town PR before she dies, however useless, she would have achieved her objective.

Stop being dumb, people.

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[Young and Beautiful]

Okay, if Abomination made three cases, I'd agree with you there. Unfortunately, 2 is an even number. There could be an equal chance that he could have made his case on town or scum. He might have made cases on two town, or one scum one town. It's a nice number, and we don't know the answer of how they work.

Since he made about 10 pushes, and only 2 with larger cases, I think it's very fair to suggest that the larger cases had a bigger meaning in his head - the question is why did he need the extra oomph at those points? I submit it's because he really wanted them lynched. Your submission is..."who can say?" as far as I can tell. I'm not really sold on that.

Can I see the Nero case that you so reference? Let's compare patterns.

Okay;

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p6037641
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p6040689

and in compare

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p5984528
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p5984724

Here he is interacting with opinions on two known scum

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p6017681

And my next question: Abomination was a hydra of 7 players. Did the same player post both two cases? How do you know that they will both post it on town?

By Abomination's own admission it had, at most, about 4 functional heads. With only minor effort you can track the posting styles of the heads.
I know for a near fact that different heads did the different cases.
That doesn't change that each of those heads also made other votes and pushes *without* cases - thereby still supporting my stance that there was special effort devoted to those two vote efforts.

Okay, thanks for your commitment.

First, I have to chide you on your weak evidence picking. #3290 was clearly a better post to reference than #3218, because it remotely resembled a case.

I'm going to have to go in depth for the Nero-BoP comparison, wall style, so that must be done on the computer. Let's spare everyone's eyes for a bit.


The case on BoP was done in jest, while the case on Nero Cain appeared to use strong hard logic, and fair but misused evidence (similar to what BoP is doing the WHOLE TIME )

With this fact, and the fact that the 'serious' case on Nero was on town, do you feel that the objective difference in tone means anything?

And

The two cases on Nero and BoP were written by two different players. Do you think that they would follow a standard pattern (ALWAYS MAKE CASES ON TOWN) as you postulate?

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[Young and Beautiful]

if she manages to bring down a large town PR before she dies, however useless,

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I'd like to clarify.


By useless, I mean that I have to admit that BBmolla's play has been lackluster during this game. That was also a main reason I chose him n3 for the message, he wasn't likely to die.

Nevertheless, I still feel that he is Town, and if BoP wants to pull a fast one on our important Town JOAT, no matter how 'useless' he had been in the game, it would be a great loss for us.

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[Young and Beautiful]

Also it would make us look really stupid.

[Young and Beautiful]

Which I'm more concerned about. Humph.

[Young and Beautiful]

We can't cop her and solve the mystery immediately.

We only have her word to take for it. Which is pretty bad news; if Titus is scum she is perfectly capable of lying without remorse or pause.

[Young and Beautiful]

I want to know though, BBmolla claims that he can get a shard/activate his abilities if someone else in the game gets a shard.

So, did Prohawk's steal give Molla a shard? Did he use his cop yet? What was his result?

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[Young and Beautiful]

But she /isn't/. Some of us aren't in tunnelfuckery mode. She is demonstrating so much town motivation it is actually making my eyes bleed.

She is suggesting to kill the JOAT to clear the conf town.

No

-pe.

[Young and Beautiful]

Slight? Slight???!

I wish you could see my face right now.

[Young and Beautiful]

Calm down, it's just a game, just a game...

[Young and Beautiful]

Sweet lord, I'm taking a break.

[Young and Beautiful]

The case on BoP was done in jest, while the case on Nero Cain appeared to use strong hard logic, and fair but misused evidence (similar to what BoP is doing the WHOLE TIME )

With this fact, and the fact that the 'serious' case on Nero was on town, do you feel that the objective difference in tone means anything?

I think the slight (and, yes, I call it slight) change in tone from joke to serious as presented here is much more likely to be simply style of the poster in question.
Both were done serious as far as the goal of trying to get votes happening. You can claim one was distancing as opposed to lynching, but to suggest it was any less serious in the goal of at least trying to appear like they wanted BoP lynched then I think you're just out of your gourd and are basically making up stuff to try to dismiss my point.

I don't think the tone changes the goal, and I think the goal is what I'm presenting as the issue.

If the style of the poster in question is different, is their goal necessarily the same? You can remember that Abomination was all over the place during the time that they were alive. What stops you from thinking that one prefers to make cases to lynch town, as scum, while another player feels that making 'cases' to distance from their partner Day 1 is a good option?

[Young and Beautiful]

And of course, the rest of them don't even care enough to make 'cases'. Well.

[Young and Beautiful]

Hi notty. Due to technical issues, you are aware of my identity. Please be sworn to secrecy.

Oh and vote BoP. Please.

[Young and Beautiful]

It's flail time, baby!

[Young and Beautiful]

Unvote, Vote Birds of Prey

Because it's so hard to get any traction behind a wagon on obvscum Oversoul, I'll vote the town spammer who is trying to lynch all my town reads over the obvtown power role before deadline.

Oversoul isn't scum. BBMolla is. If Molla claimed VT, would you be townreading him?

To be honest, if Molla was VT, I wouldn't be having so much resistance to his lynch, heh. Egg on your face, THEN shos shoots you.

But, you wouldn't be pushing so hard on him either. Admit it, you're trying to take down a JOAT before you die and you know it.

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VOTE: Birdsofprey

I will come after you with a vengence if you are wrong Beautiful. Just letting you know.

Getting BBMolla shows which one of us is right. If I am wrong, come after me tomorrow. That is if ProHawk and Egg don't lead mislynches on you first.

Are Egg and Prohawk scum now too? Damn!

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VOTE: Birdsofprey

I will come after you with a vengence if you are wrong Beautiful. Just letting you know.

Also, here are your two hearts back <3 <3

Don't cheat my feelings okay Beasty?

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I have never seen a double-day-night vig.

If your daykill resets the vote count, I will slap you.

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You don't know Majiffy enough. Lol.

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See I'm doing it like BoP now. Lol.

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If the style of the poster in question is different, is their goal necessarily the same? You can remember that Abomination was all over the place during the time that they were alive. What stops you from thinking that one prefers to make cases to lynch town, as scum, while another player feels that making 'cases' to distance from their partner Day 1 is a good option?

I think, as a universal habit, there is a difference between votes that a scum wishes to really push and votes that a scum doesn't.
I am advancing the belief that both of the cases in question were serious pushes.
If both/either of those heads had made other cases I'd buy it more as a playstyle habit.
Neither did.

Okay.

Do you feel that a case made in a tone in jest or a case made with serious logic tones would receive more votes? Why?

Even if Abomination wishes for a push on BoP, do you think that they were expecting it to cause a lynch? What about the one on Nero?

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Remember that fifteen players were required for a lynch on Day 1.

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A more apt question would be:

Was Abomination expecting the case on BoP, although a serious attempt to push, to be successful? What about the one with Nero?

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Y will be taking over, I need a break from this game.

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Y here. B's being lazy and not responding to my PMs or giving me any usable game summaries and I'm not reading 300 pages. I think I'm just going to just work off of the flips once they're up to date.

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VOTE: notscience Well, he's scum. What is he

supposed

to do?

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BEETLEJUICE

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notscience confirm/deny my guilty on you

BEETLEJUICE

For clarification, he practically already did.

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notscience confirm/deny my guilty on you

BEETLEJUICE

For clarification, he practically already did.

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Fuck this game. God damn it Titus, I swear I'm throwing away all of that meta.

I'm supposed to vote myself, right? Here.

VOTE: Beautiful

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Y, I replied to your pms. Go check.

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I've read the game since Day 6. Activity greatly massively dropped with shos, BoP and myself gone; but we have only 20 pages more to go before FE:A.

I still think Oversoul is scum. I don't think notty is scum.

I'll take a look at "wall of win" as promised.

Yeah, really thought Titus was scum. That was horrible.

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Titus's awesome wall of win

Town no one should ever vote for

ProHawk - Claim CCs flipped scum before flip. The setup would naturally have a role like his in it. Early voted scum.
Oversoul - Scum chainsawing his slot Day 1. Town as it can get.
Beastcharizard - Rhaego stops bussing to vote Beast. It makes zero sense to stop bussing the buddy with the larger wagon to vote a buddy with a smaller wagon.
Zmuffin - Both confirmed scum voting him Day 2 early with no incentive to bus.

Probable town

Lord Mhok - Again voting patterns here.
SG - Double Voter claim, voted scum early. When she voted NC, two confirmed scum came on after her.
notscience/TSO - Early vote on YnB. Hasn't supported many wagons on town. This is the weakest though as ns lurking is consistent with scum ns.
Neil1113 - Neighborhood.
Penguin Alien - Neighbirhood.
The Goat - Liked his early vote on YnB. Has not gotten in the way of scum wagons. He hasn't helped them either. Hasn't claimed N4 investigation. Weak lean town. He's the second weakest.
Egg - Caught Aronis scum. Has a problem with voting town without investigative help. I am paranoid both Egg and Aronis were scum. I wouldn't disagree with people townreading Egg fully though.

SK suspect

Shos - He flip flops on town v scum on a daily basis. Within each day he's consistent. Today, he is playing scum apologist despite the same people he's defending wanting him dead for so long without reasons. That makes zero sense unless he plans to kill them at night. He said Kagami slipped but no vote earlier. Now he's denying an obvious scumclaim from Kagami and trying to put lipstick on YnB's pig claim.

Scum suspect pool

ActionDan - Lurktastic. Said his claim implied multiball (misdirection). No memorable pushes.
Kagami - Killing the SK practically wins us the game. No honey. It puts us with 4likely scum in an 18 player pool. Bad OMGUS/SK on me.
Majiffy - Voteparked on shos. If his puppetry has an investigation, he should claim it already or start working with people.
Young and Beautiful - Hasn't done anything but misfirect, tunnel town and make an obvious bus vote. Fake claim is fake.
BBMolla - Vouched for bad claim. Argued for no lynch on Leminiscate after bad bus trajectory. Never pushed xoelf as scum despite votepark.

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Key:

Red for wrong

Green for right

Titus's awesome wall of win

Town no one should ever vote for

ProHawk - Claim CCs flipped scum before flip. The setup would naturally have a role like his in it. Early voted scum.
Oversoul - Scum chainsawing his slot Day 1. Town as it can get.
Beastcharizard - Rhaego stops bussing to vote Beast. It makes zero sense to stop bussing the buddy with the larger wagon to vote a buddy with a smaller wagon.
Zmuffin - Both confirmed scum voting him Day 2 early with no incentive to bus.

Probable town

Lord Mhok - Again voting patterns here.

SG

- Double Voter claim, voted scum early. When she voted NC, two confirmed scum came on after her.
notscience/TSO - Early vote on YnB. Hasn't supported many wagons on town. This is the weakest though as ns lurking is consistent with scum ns.

Neil1113

- Neighborhood.

Penguin Alien

- Neighbirhood.
The Goat - Liked his early vote on YnB. Has not gotten in the way of scum wagons. He hasn't helped them either. Hasn't claimed N4 investigation. Weak lean town. He's the second weakest.
Egg - Caught Aronis scum. Has a problem with voting town without investigative help. I am paranoid both Egg and Aronis were scum. I wouldn't disagree with people townreading Egg fully though.

SK suspect

Shos

- He flip flops on town v scum on a daily basis. Within each day he's consistent. Today, he is playing scum apologist despite the same people he's defending wanting him dead for so long without reasons. That makes zero sense unless he plans to kill them at night. He said Kagami slipped but no vote earlier. Now he's denying an obvious scumclaim from Kagami and trying to put lipstick on YnB's pig claim.

Scum suspect pool

ActionDan - Lurktastic. Said his claim implied multiball (misdirection). No memorable pushes.
Kagami - Killing the SK practically wins us the game. No honey. It puts us with 4likely scum in an 18 player pool. Bad OMGUS/SK on me.
Majiffy - Voteparked on shos. If his puppetry has an investigation, he should claim it already or start working with people.
Young and Beautiful - Hasn't done anything but misfirect, tunnel town and make an obvious bus vote. Fake claim is fake.
BBMolla - Vouched for bad claim. Argued for no lynch on Leminiscate after bad bus trajectory. Never pushed xoelf as scum despite votepark.

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Interesting to note that the dead mostly in BoP's "probable town" list, while leaving her "conftown" or "confscum" list alive.

Given that, the only "confscum" in Titus's list that I agree upon is ActionDan, and that I know that if Titus is town, and I am town, and we both agree on something; that something is very likely to be right.


ActionDan needs to hang.

After Oversoul, maybe.

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Uh, ActionDan is posting in other games but not here. He needs to hang too.

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Today, its currently 13 players alive. Three scum, and one SK.

This is a terrible situation. 4 deaths in one night is bullshit. Titus was also bullshit but that was probably her own fault.

We've come from a winning situation with an estimated multiple safety net of mislynches into one where this is a nigh-LyLo situation. I was pretty sure that Titus was scum, but I learned a few days ago that I'm not infallible. And I'm still pretty upset, but I'm recovered enough to play the game.

We have to hope that that some crossfire-action happens so that there is a hope for town. I got pretty complacent coming off from having half the scumteam dead at Day 4 coming off a town pool of 18, but the tables have turned

greatly

.

I'm sorry, this is more of a pep talk for myself than to all of you, as it stands I'm pretty distraught at the devastation last night.

The SK will need to eliminate the scum so that he has a chance at winning; he can't take them down three-to-one. Vice-versa, this is a critical period where scum will begin to hunt for the SK at night as well. So there's still hope.

However, let's imagine that an SK is nonexistent. Similar to a mini-theme/open game, we can imagine it to be a best case of 13 players:3 scum scenario where we have only few mislynches at best because of the nature of the remaining players. SK will be attempting to scumhunt too, so we can take them as a part of the town for day phases, and hope it gets sorted out by night.


Let's use the mindset of a mini-theme to try to win this. We can do it! And beat FE:A!

My top suspects are Oversoul and ActionDan; why shos didn't shoot Oversoul last night was beyond me.

Also of note is that this is a virgin experience of seeing a Majiffy-tunnel fail. That's contrary to his godlike-accuracy in the game Organic Chemistry. And he wasn't tunneling Titus. That also cuts my meta of "Majiffy tunnels are always right." Argh!

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Come at me bro

I. am not. a "bro".


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Meta is dumb, and I have not once in my multiple games of mafia actually seen a case heavily based on meta actually be accurate. You sound extremely silly for defending it. I would ask you to provide me a link to one game where meta was used to nail scum down or I am calling BS on your fake ATE post.

I have seen a number of games have meta be accurate.

For relevancy, let me direct you to the 2013 Scummies thread; the games that I am about to reference will demonstrate a successful Day 1 meta lynch on scum. I have read all the games that have successfully won a scummie in 2013, and they are good reads! You can enjoy some of them in your free time!

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... start=1225

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p4998357

Xenoblade Mafia; the game that you yourself had earned a scummie for, and Majiffy too. Were you not aware of the Day 1 lynch being primarily based on meta?




We have come far since then. Xenoblade once deemed to be a record-breaker longest game in existence, but currently FE:A holds this record, and now we are about to beat it.

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I am live. We can talk now if you have anything to add. I have nothing to add.

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Sorry Egg, I was late in answering your query but fortunately you've rectified it yourself? Can't trust Y, bah!

May I help you with anything else?

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Why do you think that beast is unlikely bo7?

And if he isn't bo7, then he isn't our priority. We are in a bad position with a 13player:3scum scenario. SK is our best chance at a non-trustable vig, not like shos was very trustable anyway; point is we shouldn't be SK hunting.



@Prohawk Why do you think that Oversoul is not scum, while Beast is scum? There are arguments for both being scum; why do you find one comparatively much scummier than the other?


I feel that we should lynch Oversoul.

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Cephrir, please prod The Goat

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I got no result last night; I tried to investigate Neil again.

Or maybe... it's because neil died?

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and when i think of titus and being right, i start feeling a bit queasy

I know, right?

I want to know too. She was wrong about shos-SK (as was Majiffy), so there is hope yet.

Why shos didn't shoot Oversoul is beyond me.

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Like, Titus flipping town gave me a real-life migraine. Obviously, I'm more invested in this game than you are, so you probably have no idea how I feel.

And I want to win.

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That said,

VOTE: Oversoul

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Kagami must have been killed for her hammer of Oversoul. But that makes no sense as that makes her a viable lynch target today.

I hate how Oversoul only came back after he had been hammered. His reactions after the hammer were super townie, but it was too late

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Then it's probably a factional thing.

Molla also claims to have Shard related abilities so there's that. Plus, multiple roles (Goat, Prohawk, scumshardthief) are shard related, so these shards obviously play a big role.

It is also probable that there are some people keeping their role a secret despite shos's 'lol mass claim' earlier. Where are our race cops? Do 'Demon' and 'Undead' have no meaning? What is the importance of oversoul's role?

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Currently, two counterclaims (or at least considerable) exist.

One was Oversoul-Mhork, which had just been solved, and ActionDan - Beastcharizard.
I honestly think we should lynch between you two today. I'm running out of ideas. Have to wait for the flips, but I am pretty unhappy with Oversoul's play.

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Well Kagami is dead so the problem is moot.


Yeah, Oversoul played terribly. I don't know if we were at fault for lynching him or he was at fault for being super scummy.

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What annoyed me though, was that Kagami quick hammered. We had more than a week left on the timer, so that

page count ++

discussion could still happen. We are still aways from beating FE:A and the game is going to end soon. 10p 3scum

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Can you help with post count++ increase though? Charity mission.

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Like, we are in a pretty bad position anyway. Why am I more concerned over beating FE:A than finding scum? Because scum are too tough to find.

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Maybe my priorities have been messed up after BoP and Oversoul flipped town. I don't know.

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I feel like I have no purpose. I'm a conftown with poor reads. Useless. Just a statue.

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Maybe if we all quintuple post like BoP we all can get astronomical increases in post count.

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And beat FE:A

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And be the largest game in history.

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I regret lynching BoP right now. She was so helpful. Spam was good.

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Why isn't Prohawk dead yet? He has many shards.

Is he working for scum? The ever question is: why Mhork and Kagami over Prohawk and Egg???


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One was Oversoul-Mhork, which had just been solved, and ActionDan - Beastcharizard.

Kagami more directly cced by claiming killproof outside of Naraku.

I'm just a poison doctor. Aronis would have been my CC

Do we have a legit doctor? To protect from scum kills.


I think we should have. Like the missing racecops. Obviously, not all the roles of everyone is public yet and there are still hidden secrets within town.

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I can explain why I am not dying though. The most obvious explanation is that I'm off miles with my reads. Another explanation is that By killing me, it would semi- confirm BB as town, producing another conftown. That's not optimal if they want to put me on the mislynch pool thanks to Miss Titus.

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And they aren't killing BB, because in doing so it would confirm me as town. Plus, BB is pretty useless as well. We are both possible mislynch targets, BB more so.

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I double posted on purpose, by the way.

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Why is Prohawk not dying? He has a sack ton of shards. If shards make the scum powerful, wouldn't they want to collect them?

But scum have flipped a shard thief already.

But So far, the scum flips have very weak power roles. So it can be possible that their remaining roles are pretty bad as well. They can only survive on their larger numbers and good play.

Which is happening right now.

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Pro hawk refusing to claim this targets and the number of shards he has is extremely suspicious.

Now that I think about it, it might be possible, considering that by claiming a shard thief, he is off the radar for town calling him scum


VOTE: prohawk

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But then, wouldn't the SK want to take shards too? Well, we don't know if the SK enjoys shards, nobody is going to claim SK, but hmm



Who was the SK kill yesterday? Kagami?

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Ah, right, the SK was supposed to be scumhunting too. That means the SK thought that Kagami was scum for her bad hammer. That makes sense.

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Has anyone thought about the town utility of shard copping? What if it's a scum role?

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/me grasps at straws (who is scum???)

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Also, it's strange how nobody asked this yet:

Why were there 4 kills after Titus's death?

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Can somebody account for this?

Why?

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Oh. Scum shardcop flipped too? Hmm.


Then maybe we should take a look at the uncc'd roles, maybe scum is fakeclaiming them

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Maybe beast's poison proof may not be as honest as it seems

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Poison kill and SK kill? So who killed who?

Did SK kill shos or did scum kill shos?

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I am increasing post count on purpose because we are bored waiting for flips anyways

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Why can the SK poison and instant kill? Can he only do one?

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Currently, two counterclaims (or at least considerable) exist.

One was Oversoul-Mhork, which had just been solved, and ActionDan - Beastcharizard.
I honestly think we should lynch between you two today. I'm running out of ideas. Have to wait for the flips, but I am pretty unhappy with Oversoul's play.

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You want to lynch me?

I thought you were town for sheeping me onto BoP. But you were dancing around with your vote first voting BoP then voting me then voting BoP. Then I realised that both of us were actually town.


That is very bad because you are just happy to vote town.

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Why isn't Prohawk dead yet? He has many shards.

Is he working for scum? The ever question is: why Mhork and Kagami over Prohawk and Egg???


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The best part about this post is its coming from the "confirmed-town". The confirmed-townie with bad reads isn't questioning why scum are allowing themselves to be PoE'ed, he is asking why they aren't killing the shard-holder/X-Tracker. We won't ever live this down if Titus was right about you...

'Why are scum allowing themselves to be PoE'd' and 'why aren't scum killing conf towns and PRs' mean the same thing.


It's people like you who cast suspicion on me which keeps me alive. Don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.

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Also my shit reads but their scummy behaviour is also to be blamed.

Who asked them to be so scummy?

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This will be good

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How does majiffy has 537 posts? I barely remember him posting! I only just surpassed him with my newfound determination to increase the game's page count!

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Well, 534. I just remembered wrong.

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Uhh why did you investigate me lol?


Never mind, what's done is done.

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Also, that's BBmolla's passive, not not science 's

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Will you still love me

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When I'm no longer

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Young

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And

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Beautiful?

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A miracle!

VOTE: muffinman

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By the way,

Since Mhork was scum,

Then SK must have killed Mhork

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That also means that scum killed Kagami

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Also, interesting thing is that scum can start with shards.

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This blows some theories out of the water

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Does SK kill resolve before or after scum?


If the SK kill resolves after scum kill, it makes Kagami conf-town

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Kagami said that scum can't kill her. Is this her ability?


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For obvious reasons Kagami is conf-not-scum

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Of course I'm not scum too, but what say you?

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does SK kill resolve before scum, or does scum kill resolve before SK?

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I hope the above is public information!

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does that mean that hypothetically if both Kagami and Mhork had a kill, could have targeted each other the same time, resulting in both dying?

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Half of me wants muffin to be quicklynched and another half wants the day to drag out for some fancy page count++

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That's just an expression. Y left again, so it's just me.

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yeah, nah

ad being a dumb fuck is understandable, but that mhork flip makes me incredibly obviously town to anyone paying attention

show, not tell.

if you can that is, because I see the exact opposite

This is a good quote. I will put it in my quote book

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Please post more

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We are still twenty or so pages away!

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Why is notty's postcount abysmally low?

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Increase page count! For the cause!

Catch scum at the same time if we can!

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Funny how I'm intentionally spamming but still fall far behind Titus who may or may not have been intentionally spamming

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348!

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THREE

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FOUR

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EIGHT

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I wonder if the scum would kill me tonight for spamming?

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Or maybe they would want to try to secure a better win by re-shooting Kagami

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Or a PR that is more useful than me

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Like shard collector Prohawk?

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Actiondan, Goat, and BBMolla. I tracked one of you. Claim your action from last night with my role in mind. One of you needs a good explanation.

Did this ever get answered?

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Oh, it's only been 24 hours? Darn!

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Me and this game have a love-hate relationship

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Spam is good.

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I was Wrong about Titus

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Page top woohoo!

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Titus was spamming. Spam is good.

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Spammers are good.

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I am good

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I will get in trouble, won't I?

Bah.

Will stop here.

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Too many pages while I was at work. Don't know if I should claim my result until I read. Please slow down posting. I'd hate for my result not to go up just because people feel the need to spam.

Don't worry, I read everything. If there is anything important, I can requote it for you. Multiple times, if necessary.

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'Purloined'! Nice one!

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Why not?

Give me one good pro-town reason to do so. I think last time we spoke it was to see who was scum based on not having shards or who was town based on having them?

Considering MhorkScum had a shard... That blows the theory out of the water. Now we must rely on liars/contradictions/counterclaims.