Through the Looking-Glass [Game Over]

[Konowa]

Man, I was starting to sweat during those moments.

I'm going to say "No" to this policy lynch as it is pretty dum.

Vote: Nachomamma8

[Konowa]

Those moments of last game before Aronis self-hammered as Town in LYLO.

[Konowa]

It's a FakeGod game.

[Konowa]

I don't know this is the sort of awkwardness that I normally vote for during RVS, but it's kind of reading sincere, notsci.

[Konowa]

And what exactly does that imply?

A game is not defined by its moderator.

VOTE: Konowa

Stop being ridiculous.

This post in particular is something I would expect newer Town to make.

[Konowa]

FakeGod, I am voting Nacho.

VC fixed. - mod

[Konowa]

And what exactly does that imply? A game is not defined by its moderator.

VOTE: Konowa

Stop being ridiculous.

This comment makes little sense in light of everything now.

unvote;
Vote: Cho

[Konowa]

Yeah, I'm agreeing with notsci and the whole "oblivious townie" bit after this last post.

[Konowa]

Apparently FG is mean and won't accept this as a valid vote.

VOTE: CHO

Did he message you about it? That's odd, but I see no response in thread so I assume that's what happened.

If scum have daytalk, this might be interesting later.

Was referencing this when I said playing up the oblivious townie bit.

[Konowa]

SK, are you scum this game?
Normally I get Town vibes from you pretty quick.

[Konowa]

I answered your question

What else do you want to talk about

The only people who have posted much are me (anyone not townreading me atm is doing something wrong), Marquis (subtle trolling is noted), and Konowa who I think might be town.

Well now I want to understand your unvote.
I've posted as much as Konowa (now more than Konowa)

Asking because this was extremely self-conscious, and can't ever remember you being self-conscious.

[Konowa]

Uh what?

[Konowa]

Cho is this games version of 4burner

Except that 4burner was new to Mafiascum and its meta and all, and this is Marquis. The two are not comparable.

Did you think the policy vote was serious?

Nope. Why I said it was dum. Can't tell if your over-exaggeration of my stance on the policy vote is scum or not.

The amount of town reads I'm garnering already is making me a little scared.

[Konowa]

You're reading that wrong.

That meant the amount of people that I am reading as town is making me a little scared.

Pretty hard to read that post any other way then the way I put it since I called it dum.

[Konowa]

Except that 4burner was new to Mafiascum and its meta and all, and this is

Marquis

Cho. The two are not comparable.

Sorry. The point I was trying to make here is the same though.

[Konowa]

Why isn't Brian Town, notsci?

Not seeing what you're seeing at all.

[Konowa]

It's gut atm. But I'm keeping a close eye on him

I'm cool with gut. Is there something you can point to that is pinging your gut?

Vote: Froot Loop

This is an awful vote.

[Konowa]

[Konowa]

Apparently because it's Nacho.

Don't worry about it. It's stupid.

[Konowa]

Sorry not sorry I have hard time believing Kats.

[Konowa]

Plus if Kats was a daycop after whatever the hell his awesome role was last game I would be super jealous.

And I don't want to be super jealous, so I don't believe him.

[Konowa]

Scumteam-

NACHO
NACHO
NACHO
NACHO

ftfy

I mean, if you had fakeclaimed a guilty on Nati, I would be all on board. But Nacho holds a special place in my heart.

Scumteam-

Brian
Muffin
x
x

Add Cho, and rereading Brian's post I think I might be seeing what you are saying.

[Konowa]

Gambler's fallacy, some other logical fallacy, etc.

[Konowa]

Yeah, we all saw how that worked last game

[Konowa]

this game there is a clear guilty from a confirmed town day cop

Note to self to ignore Muffin rest of the game.

[Konowa]

Yeah, notsci I see it.

[Konowa]

Vote: Froot Loop

Thanks.

Still an awful vote.

[Konowa]

Yeah, really. Froot Loop is pretty obv Town.

[Konowa]

Is this "OMG LOOK AT THIS" typical of TD?

[Konowa]

Like I have a hard time believing #413.

[Konowa]

Specifcally the whole notsci changing read on TD bit.

[Konowa]

When someone changes their mind there is a fucking reason, when someone decides to take a different stance there isn't. One of those is a town action, one of them is a scum action, Notsci did one of them, not the other.

Isn't that the same thing? Seriously?

[Konowa]

Because the "scum player" the way you are presenting it is someone who is assumed as scum, which notsci isn't.

[Konowa]

Cho, notsci thinks TD is scum evn with what you quoted. So?

[Konowa]

Cho, notsci thinks TD is

scum

Town evn with what you quoted. So?

[Konowa]

Logic has nothing to do with Mafiascum, I would hope you know this by now.

[Konowa]

Especially D1.

[Konowa]

I'm seeing a difference now between him and Titus in that Titus as town would still stick to the case. TiphaineDeath, instead, is acknowledging in part that the case couldn't make sense, and I'm seeing scum now in how he's still attempting to see what works to justify his stance.

This is a pretty bad supposition.

[Konowa]

Cho, notsci's conclusion from what you agreed with is that TD is Town, and you are saying that TD is scum with what you are agreeing with.

So?

[Konowa]

I really don't get the Cho Town reads.

[Konowa]

Brian
Muffin
Cho
SK

PEdit: Hey there misrep.

[Konowa]

If I'm wrong about what 400 is talking about, then what is that post really referring to?

Brian.

[Konowa]

#379 #397 #400

[Konowa]

Which just means you aren't reading my posts.

[Konowa]

notsci, I corrected myself somewhere can't look for it now.

[Konowa]

Something, something, played with Kats as scum, Kats doesn't expect people to bus Kats unless it's Fate level so don't do it, don't know where I'm going with this.

[Konowa]

You asking would defeat the purpose now, but it was from memory.

[Konowa]

You asking would defeat the purpose now, but it was from memory.

Damn. That game was probably like 2-3 years ago?

Maybe?

My use of meta pertains to players I have played with in games before. Personally, I can read a game and "understand" it, but not get it. This will possibly shed some light on certain players later in this game, maybe. Not sure, though.

[Konowa]

Maybe already said, notsci?

Sorted on DV and SK? Where are they?

[Konowa]

It's okay. Keep playing the dumb or scum card.

Doesn't refute the fact that I know more than you at this moment. Keep being smug as far as I care.

[Konowa]

Please do so I no longer have to read this circle jerk.

[Konowa]

This me not hammering.

[Konowa]

Who the hell was that?

Kscope and the guy with the penguin avatar?

[Konowa]

Konowa
Katsuki and Nacho reads with reasoning GO

Nacho is VLA
And Kats is being Kats, I guess.

[Konowa]

SleepyKrew

, vote Nachomamma8.

Konowa

, you die tomorrow. Along with, potentially,

Froot Loop

.

This amuses me more than it should.

[Konowa]

This is me saying that was completely unnecessary lest you be scum fishing for fake towncred.

Why would I be searching for fake towncred on a daycop guilty you are voting? I don't get the Town mindset of this post?

[Konowa]

Because we all saw how those quick Days worked last game with FG's mindfuckery roles.

Sorry not sorry I want some more interaction than this circleherdederjerk going on right now.

[Konowa]

There was no guilty.

[Konowa]

Really?

[Konowa]

Like, what ever gave you -any- confidence that Kats -actually- had a daycop guilty?

I don't get it at all.

[Konowa]

Plus if Kats was a daycop after whatever the hell his awesome role was last game I would be super jealous.

And I don't want to be super jealous, so I don't believe him.

Plus if Kats was a daycop after whatever the hell his awesome role was last game I would be super jealous.

And I don't want to be super jealous, so I don't believe him.

BUT I AM

SOME CUPCAKES ARE JUST THAT AWESOME

Kats also unvoted and DONTHAMMERGUYSICALLITDONTYOUDAREDOIT!!!!!!

[Konowa]

So thoughts on Kats then?

[Konowa]

Kats is pretty Town for #874.

[Konowa]

Town: Kats, notsci, Froot, Nacho, RC

[Konowa]

unvote;
Vote: SleepyKrew

[Konowa]

Froot, talk to me.

What are you seeing in SK?

[Konowa]

The title's don't actually have any significance. Anyone who played last game would know this. I think Kats doing that in the beginning was just more conversation starter, see if anyone would bite hard starter, etc. SK's "badgering" is just filler. You're falling into the whole "too scummy to be scum" fallacy there, DV.

[Konowa]

Zero sense, SK.

[Konowa]

Perspective, I guess.

[Konowa]

Post #1089. Maybe it's not zero sense, but more null sense would make more sense.

DV, you are one of the last people I would try to appease, I don't know how you got that out of that, since I feel that we always read each other as scum.

[Konowa]

You guys are pretty dum if you think votes on me are going to amount to anything.

[Konowa]

Salamence is still bitter from the first Alice game.

[Konowa]

Going to work soon and I'm at L-2? Don't want you guys to derp hammer me while I'm not here because I honestly don't trust you guys to let me live till tomorrow morning to say anything.

I'm a mason. Tweedle--->dum<---, brother is Tweedledee.

[Konowa]

i was not-so-subtly trying to indicate that making konowa a viable NK target is never a bad thing

I'm starting to believe I'm a better scum player than town, to be honest.

[Konowa]

I still don't like Cho for Town, still think the early play was awkward outside of what notsci said about a player trying to mask meta, and don't know what to make of her erratic play.

[Konowa]

Oh, before I forget.

If there is any protective role at all, protect my brother, not me.

~tia

[Konowa]

SK is the play for today people. Don't try and act like we know what the fuck we're doing D1.

[Konowa]

How does that equate to a vote then?

[Konowa]

I was asking how does that equate to a Bins vote, as Bins noted.

Hi Bins.

[Konowa]

I should've hammered Nacho, huh?

[Konowa]

I didn't say she was faking it.

But I'm not going to listen to anyone who has any semblance of a townread on her [Bins], as a few people have stated of having.

How does that equate to a vote then?

Don't think the question was ambiguous at all. You aren't going to listen to anyone who has a Townread on Bins, but don't think she is faking her absence, yet you are voting her.

Thus....

how does that equate to a vote on Bins?

[Konowa]

RC isn't paying close attention.

[Konowa]

Good shot vig.

Didn't put any thought into this game overNight since I thought I was going to die.

Will go back and read today in regards to Empking.

[Konowa]

Who else was in the neighborhood with Nacho and Empking, was it you Salamence?

[Konowa]

No it was SK, never mind.

[Konowa]

Only way that is demonstrable is to vote RC up to L-2 for a normal lynch and have RC vote and then unvote next post.

I don't know what that does to determine alignment though.

[Konowa]

And from what I'm getting from a sense of FG as a mod, he seems to prefer negative utility Town roles, which would makes sense in RC as Town.

[Konowa]

RC sits upon a throne of lies.

I don't read this as cheeky, DV.

Those two posts back to back make no sense.....

[Konowa]

And from what I'm getting from a sense of FG as a mod, he seems to prefer negative utility Town roles, which would makes sense in RC as Town.

Mod WIFOM

Also, how the fuck is Nacho sooooo good at reading me? He knows im town, he knows when Im scum, just wtf dude?

NACHO WHO ARE YOU AND STAY OUT OF MY INBOx

Why did you make this post?

VOTE: RC

There's no light at the end of this tunnel.

If you'll want me to join you here, you'll need to do some convincing.

Because RC will probably 1v1 me today and I want to lol at him post game.

Consider me his biggest defender today

First post reads like you disagree with my statement and think RC is possible Scum.
Second post you are saying you are RC's biggest defender and implies RC as possible Town.

[Konowa]

I could get that notsci, but those are two different thoughts.

Disagree?

I'm not 1v1'ing anyone. I'm Town, get the fuck out.

[Konowa]

RC claimed hated.

[Konowa]

It's kind of creepy that DV is thinking similar to me.

That -never- happens.

[Konowa]

That's -not- what you just said though Sala.

#1672 implies RC Scum
#1673 implies RC Town.

Am I wrong in this?

[Konowa]

#1672's post had zero to do with yesterday's read.

Scum Mason would mean lying, which would mean bastard, which to Town's butthurt despite bitchiness Alice I wasn't bastard, this isn't advertised as bastard, thus it's not. Stop being butthurt Town, or just be Scum. Don't know.

[Konowa]

There's a -huge- difference between what I am doing now and what Town did last game.

You think I'm wrong, demand to test RC's hated claim.

[Konowa]

#1672's post had zero to do with yesterday's read.

Scum Mason would mean lying, which would mean bastard, which to Town's butthurt despite bitchiness Alice I wasn't bastard, this isn't advertised as bastard, thus it's not. Stop being butthurt Town, or just be Scum. Don't know.

Honest question.

Are you this aggressive as town? You didnt have this personality in the last game.

If so, meta.

Ask Nacho, oh wait he's dead.

If you want meta, go get it yourself.

[Konowa]

I'm pretty easy to read meta wise, if you subscribe to that kind of stuff.

Self meta, blah blah, null. Whatever.

[Konowa]

Still haven't read D1 in regards to Empking, but just off top of head there wasn't too much talk about Empking, because Empking.

[Konowa]

Top of head straight gut I would be okay with Brian, Sala, or Muffing swinging.

[Konowa]

I was actually pretty apathetic in Alice I.

[Konowa]

Vote: Salamence20

[Konowa]

DV, the whole too scummy to be scum thing? Yeah, that again.

[Konowa]

And I think Kats is smart enough to know that as either alignment so that part is pretty null. I think the fact that I recognized it as "FAKE" early, and think Kats knew it was fake makes me believe Kats is Town.

[Konowa]

Plus if Kats was a daycop after whatever the hell his awesome role was last game I would be super jealous.

And I don't want to be super jealous, so I don't believe him.

Plus if Kats was a daycop after whatever the hell his awesome role was last game I would be super jealous.

And I don't want to be super jealous, so I don't believe him.

BUT I AM

SOME CUPCAKES ARE JUST THAT AWESOME

This interaction is what I am talking about.

[Konowa]

Vote: Empking

This is objectively the best lynch.

Low hanging fruit target noted.

Yikes, I just started reading Brian's ISO and this is the second post.

Stepping outside of my tunnel for a while.

unvote;
Vote: Brian Skies

[Konowa]

And?

[Konowa]

Why is the Brian wagon bad given the quote RC posted last page?

[Konowa]

That's a pretty bad assumption, especially given the early timing of the post.

[Konowa]

I'd hammer Muffin if he gets there.

Just because.

Functionally, I believe Brian to be a better lynch though.

[Konowa]

Meh.

unvote;
Vote: zMuffinMan

[Konowa]

Regardless of zMuffinMan's alignment, I think Bins is scum. A scum flip from zMuffinMan would strengthen those chances.

unvote;
Vote: Cho

Backwards thinking, yo.

And DV is Aussie?

[Konowa]

Regardless of A's alignment, B is scum but I want to lynch A first to prove B is scum.

Yeeeeeeah.

Cho, problem is you aren't saying shit.

[Konowa]

So, the only thing I did right in this game was not hammer Nacho?

Cool.

[Konowa]

Over my head.

How was claiming lovers the correct play?

[Konowa]

I mean, I guess I was sort of hinting at that after claiming Masons that any protective role should target Froot Loop.

I guess my want of having a vig shoot Kats so I wouldn't have to read Kats was also right?

[Konowa]

This is one of those theory questions that is going to have so many different answers to it, but personally I would say don't. Especially D1 when the distribution of roles is unknown, especially in a FG game when roles are bound to be a little off the wall.