InuYasha Mafia (Game Over)

[Birds of Prey]

My role PM implies it's an active decision to.

So you would get a message "Hey, want to kill someone?" and you decide whether to or not?

~P

[Birds of Prey]

VCA notes through 1.30

Abomination (after his self vote) is reflected in the first vote count for voting us. That is probably the ika head but I do believe he's not bussing with his first vote. Given that's on me, I'll leave the conclusion to you. (1.1)
Shos's position as the counterwagon to known groupscum indicates he's almost certainly not groupscum. The fact zero kills came from the main day wagon indicates that shos is probably not groupscum. (1.Awholelot)
Beastcharizard is probably town because Lemni stops bussing his buddy (Abomination) to vote beastcharizard. I don't see why a player would bus one buddy and then bus the buddy with the lower wagon. (1.6) Beastcharizard comes back to vote Lemni in (1.9).
NeroCain is leaning not group scum because of Abomination's vote on him. (1.8)
Oversoul is damn near certain town. Oversoul was voting Abomination in (1.9). Lemniscate then votes Oversoul. That's very remote to be scum in that type of mix.
Lord Mhork is another lean town. Lemni and Lord Mhork seem to be OMGUSing in 1.10. (Here, Lemni has some issues with being doublevoting so be patient there).

Young and Beautiful wagon is mostly town in 1.27. TSO, zmuffin and The Goat are the people who I don't have reads/confirmation on that appeared on that wagon. Only Abomination is confirmed scum. If Y and B is a scum driven wagon (unlikely FMPOV but I'm letting the votes talk right now) then scum has to be in muffin/TSO/TG. Confirmed scum caused Y and B's claim in 1.29.

I stopped at 1.30 bc of the accident. I have been trying to get further but it is hard to post.

The case on me is I am voting the scums and my VCA clears the obvious mislynch targets so they have to lynch me to discredit me.

[Birds of Prey]

I played an sk double voter so I sm not sure that SG is town.

Dan, what is your PoE? You have not done much in terms of reads. How do you get there?

[Birds of Prey]

Can't help but notice how the wagon is full of townish looking players.

What are you smoking? This wagon is basically a reincarnation of the shos wagon D1 that countered abomination.

Yes. Everyone voting me has been a part of the shos wagons thst countered scum.

[Birds of Prey]

Derp everyone but shos and he won't move his vote despite believing Kagami slipped.

[Birds of Prey]

I huess I'm just a shrug and a walkaway though, to see where it goes.
But I am lost.

Are we sure this is town?

Now they are brazenly threatening you Oversoul. The message from Y n B is clear, mislynch PV and Titus or die.

[Birds of Prey]

Earth to Town

This wagon on us is shit. It is made up of the shos votrrs from Day 1. The only parts of that early wagon thst have flipped have flipped scum.

The Day 1 wagons also prove that several people are so fucking town. The first two dead scum fucking chainsawed Oversoul. That means no logical player should be even suggesting Oversoul is scum without a shitton of evidence. Yet his name has been tossed around in the background as mislynch.

Beast has some of that going on as well. Little pokes against his claim.

Lemni and Lord Mhok were chainsawing each other for awhile.

Neither of those are about their play. Big shock. They are town.

This is the method scum are using to prevent a townblock from forming.

Look at the attacks on me. BulbaFenix wanted us dead. Again scum attack. Abomination wanted us dead. Scum flip there too.

Look at Nero Cain. 1.32 wagon stands out. Two scum Lemini and Abom jump onto that wagon. This highly suggests SG and Neil are town. 1.17 has confirmed scum leading his wagon. Meanwhile Oversoul's slot along with Nero are voting Abomination.

Look at how hard it is to get another wagon going on scum.

Kagami has vote parked on shos most of Day 1 leading the counterwagon for abomination. Kagami has been underground attacking Oversoul by just dropping hints everywhere. Then yhere's the fact they are the only one who can vanillaize. Majiffy was saying it would be unfair to scum to force them to kill for the SK. Doesn't a self vanillaizer solve the problem.

Then there is YnB. They would be obviously scum without the Friendly Neighbor claim. When they clsimed, they never said 3 shot. When I highlight if they are town, someone else can vouch for them tomorrow. That is when YnB comes up with this .

BBMolla he has claimed no result actions on the same day someone else has I believe (memory here though). That should prove my ascetic claim. Yet he votes me because.....

Majiffy has been vote parked on shos the entire time without damning evidence. He has been unwilling to even talk about anything else. If Majiffy isn't scum he is an honorary scum. He has been stuck there since the first page of my ISO.

ActionDan is voting me for what reason (you can't really tell by his ISO).

That's the thing. The votes on us came right after we voted Kagami. We were not a threat to scum voting YnB becsuse y'all have been hoodwinked.

Oversoul, Beastcharizard, Lord Mhok, shos, SG, PA, ProHawk (bc of claim), neil1113) I feel all or almost all of you are town or at least not band of seven.

Please join us in voting scum.

[Birds of Prey]

We have a dead shard scum thief in the graveyard. You claimed before that flip. You can break whatever superawesome ability scum get if they take all the shards. I would expect us to have a shard. The fact scum tried to go after you with no bites is good but your D1 vca is shit. Start voting scum and I will start townreading you for play.

[Birds of Prey]

Really, you are arguing scum was pushing the YnB wagon? Why would I (as scum) push a counterwagon to xoelf, confirmed town? Who else was the scum pushing? TSO and goat were dragged to the wagon. That leaves you with muffiin scum which you haven't pushed.

Of course the beauty parlor worker and my role are different things. It was an auditory crumb to stop YnB from sending me her fake confirmation. We have been over that.

1.34 only furthers my vca being accurate. ProHawk is the most suspicious on the Lemni wagon and he's probably town. Shos's wagon is filled with viteparking scum. Maybe before you speak you should verify.

[Birds of Prey]

You claim to be skepticsl of doctor claims yet AD doesn't bother you being on my wagon.

The votes show that y'all have been flailing for mislynches and I will not cooperate.

[Birds of Prey]

For the record, scum are killing the most obvious town bc the lack of mislynch options not power strength.

[Birds of Prey]

SG - Gee she lived too long.
Oversoul - We throw out Oversoul is scum hard enough maybe we can lynch them
ProHaek - Call his obvtown claim scummy and cash in on his earlier bad shos votes.
Shos - Can be tunnelled due to complex roleclaim (where is the same pressure on BB though) and Majiffy is tunnelling there.
PA - Lurker
Lord Mhork, sitting around doing nothing.

^^^^ those are the mislynch arguments they have been planting evidence


My crumbs are mistly after. I prefer one ir two early crumbs. But no most are after.

[Birds of Prey]

Of course the beauty parlor worker and my role are different things. It was an auditory crumb to stop YnB from sending me her fake confirmation. We have been over that.

Really, you crumbed it to stop YnB from sending you a fake confirmation before they claimed FN?

After they did.

We discussed this. I did not start heavily crumbing until after they claimed.

[Birds of Prey]

They are an anonymous hydra. I will respect their wishes.

You answered your question. I am not pouring through my ISO looking for every instance of crumbing. I made it a neon sign.

[Birds of Prey]

Winning the game is not worth blowing someone's alt.

[Birds of Prey]

I hadn't deduce the heads fully then but I had an idea.

I thought my crumbs were crystal clear and I was assuming YnB was an idiot. Now I knoe she is scum.

Why are you rehashing Day 2?

I am reposting my reachout to town if you keep trying to spam it out. You know I am right ehen the best thing you can say is selective eith no support.

[Birds of Prey]

None of this was a problem until AFTER I voted you. Your whole case is rehashong and OMGUS.

Need this too.

[Birds of Prey]

I'll learn reaching out to townreads from Titus, and let her handle arguments about us being anything other than what we claimed.


Meanwhile pretty colors that will be the guide for wonderful questions I will ask tonight unless something better comes along.

Votecount 1.F

Lemniscate 15

[LYNCH!]

(Squirrel Girl, ProHawk,

ChamberKittens

, Kagami, The Goat, shos, ActionDan, Muffin, beastcharizard,

Nero Cain, AngryIcerink

, Birds of Prey, BBmolla,

geists, Serene

)[/b]

shos 8 (

Aronis

, Majiffy,

Mist7676

, Egg, Young and Beautiful, Penguin_Alien,

Abomination

, neil1113)

Mist7676

3 (notscience,

Lemniscate

, Oversoul)

Nero Cain

1 (Squirrel Girl)

AngryIcerink

1 (Lord Mhork)

Not Voting 1 (

xofelf

)

[Birds of Prey]

EBWOP

I'll learn reaching out to townreads from Titus, and let her handle arguments about us being anything other than what we claimed.


Meanwhile pretty colors that will be the guide for wonderful questions I will ask tonight unless something better comes along.

Votecount 1.F

Lemniscate 15

[LYNCH!]

(Squirrel Girl, ProHawk,

ChamberKittens

, Kagami, The Goat, shos, ActionDan, Muffin, beastcharizard,

Nero Cain, AngryIcerink

, Birds of Prey, BBmolla,

geists, Serene

)[/b]

shos 8 (

Aronis

, Majiffy,

Mist7676

, Egg, Young and Beautiful, Penguin_Alien,

Abomination

, neil1113)

Mist7676

3 (notscience,

Lemniscate

, Oversoul)

Nero Cain

1 (Squirrel Girl)

AngryIcerink

1 (Lord Mhork)

Not Voting 1 (

xofelf

)

~P

[Birds of Prey]

Votecount 2.4

Birds of Prey 8

(Young and Beautiful,

BulbaFenix

, ProHawk, Majiffy,

Nero Cain

,

Abomination

, BBmolla,

Mist7676

)[/b]

neil1113 2 (shos, beastcharizard)

xofelf

1 (ActionDan)
ActionDan 1 (Lord Mhork)

Serene

1 (Penguin)

Nero Cain

1 (Squirrel Girl)
Majiffy 1 (Squirrel Girl)

ChamberKittens

1 (Muffin)

Abomination

1 (ChamberKittens)
Muffin 1 (Birds of Prey)

Nero Cain

1 (neil1113)
Oversoul 1 (Egg)

Not Voting 7 (everyone else)

14 to lynch. Deadline: August 3, 3 PM EST.[/color]

~P

[Birds of Prey]

Wait, I am the most scum on the Lemni wagon? I pushed it before it was hip. I actually made a pretty accurate case IMO. Walk me through this.

Titus can walk you through it.

Who do

you

think was bussing Lemin?

~P

[Birds of Prey]

Who do you think was bussing Lemin?

I actually think scum cooked up her claim of masons in their thread, so I think, especially at the beginning they were trying to save her. If scum were on her wagon, it was after it was obvious she was still going to be lynched after a mason claim.

2660

Let's see.

Nero

Notscience talks about it. (2698)
And suspects it (2715)
Kafgmia talks about it (2720)
AD not moving vote unless another mason claims (2725)
You don't mention it (2731)
Neil buys it, unvotes shos to vote Mist (2738)
Majiffy complains about lack of shos-wagon (2742)
You contest neil explanation (2745)
Kagami (already voting Lemin), claims caught scum (2746)
ActionDan (already voting) talks about Internet (2748)
ActionDan (already voting) challenges Lemin BP claim (2752)
Majiffy says

Iec

looks bad for leaving

Lemin

lynch (2758)
notscience "lynch the other mason" idea (2771)
Kagami (already voting) says something flavor-related about masons and undead (2776)
Majiffy answers Kagami (2780)
Majiffy "one scum team" (2783)
Kagami flavor, claim (2787, 2784)
Niel- "Lemin too dumb to claim that" (2788)
noyscience- where's vanilla mason? (2789)
You-"If someone confirms Lemin, lynch shos" (2791)
notsci "lynch other mason"repeat (2793)

side Note (follow up on 2795 form Nero)

abomination "No mason claim" (2799)
abomination "vote shos" (2818)
ActionDan "Mist at 7, Lemin at 12" (2819)
Notscience townreading Birds, Serene2, notscience and geists (2821)
ActionsDan ???? (something I can't parse))(2822)
Beast (undead die again?) (2824)

Feel free to give thoughts so far, and take over at page 114.

[Birds of Prey]

Wait, I am the most scum on the Lemni wagon? I pushed it before it was hip. I actually made a pretty accurate case IMO. Walk me through this.

No. You are not scum. I must have made a typo somehere if you think that.

@

ProHawk, if your belief about scum cooking up masons is accurate then BBMolla looks like scum right?

That's what I have seen as well.

We agree on BBMolla. Now,let's discuss someone else.

Suppose we are right about BBMolla, what do you think of YnB?

[Birds of Prey]

Add Kagami as well.

[Birds of Prey]

Kagami looks like scum bc

A)They vote parked on scum
B)They are pushing Oversoul for vague reasons despite the fact it should be obvious he is town.
C) Kagami's reaction to our vote was to dredge up stuff from Day 2.
D) Their attack on our VCA sucks and it is a clear attempt to stop a townblock.



If BBMolla flips scum, would you consider the possibility of YnB scum?

[Birds of Prey]

BBMolla he has claimed no result actions on the same day someone else has I believe (memory here though). That should prove my ascetic claim. Yet he votes me because.....

Cause you're scum. Being ascetic doesn't mean shit towards alignment.

Why do you think I am scum? Why haven't you pushed us before our Kagami vote?

[Birds of Prey]

BBMolla, you basically thought we went from sucky town to scum based on our Kagami vote. Bad chainsaw at best.

You have many reasons for vouching. First, you are dcum together. Second, vouching keeps both of viable as mislynches if YnB is town. If you failed to vouch and YnB had more shots, you would be dead to rights.

[Birds of Prey]

Shos, why the vote on Majiffy and not Kagami who you believe slipped?

I am perfectly ok lynching Jiffy on policy (Day 5 and only one scumread who is likely tiwn). But why can't we lynvh obvious scum? For anyone but scum to win, we need to lynch another scum. That is precisely why I care more about forming a solid townblock yhan my own fate. Majiffy can be vigged.


I am fully aware of my fate and I do not expect to live past the next game day unless scum throughly discredit us.

Oversoul, please vote Kagami with me. One scumbuddy claiming the role of another is very unlikely. If I am wrong on Kagami, feel free to ignore me and tunnel ProHawk.

My major pushes have not flipped and that is extremely odd. What we have seen on the Y n B wagon day 1 is that it was really fucking townie. You know who was off that wagon, almost everyone voting for me.

You seem to have a townread on shos. That wagon has recycled onto me.

The scum are killing threats to them. I am one of the last. That is why we have a double voter still alive.


Why is it so hard to get a wagon going? I am not being unclear here. I know a whole hell of a lot of the game is town. I am defending them accordingly. If we do not get scum wagoned, I will be mislynched and ignored as always. Toward the end of my time in Xmen Age, I figured Feu was scum. Feu was ignored for days despite ccing known vig. Hell AP was lynched. So forgive a little bit of AtE but I have no interest in lynching town.

Prohawk voting Kagami and having them flip scum should do a lot in regards to any latent scumreads of you.

The Goat with inaction you may help the scums lynch me anyway.

[Birds of Prey]

PA the hood is likely all town. Can you see this is town me asking for your vote or at least a dialogue?

Zmuffin, where have you been? We need townMuffin to come on and see I am town.

[Birds of Prey]

Yes. It is. I have begged pretty please but I know no one on my wagon will move bc it is mostly scum. I want in the worst case scenario a solid fucking townblock after my mislynch and you are in that block. Manipulation is just a negative connotation for persuade. I am straight up here not doing anything subtle.

You saw my scumgame in Book of Shadows. You know this ain't it.

[Birds of Prey]

Really, I reach out like never. As scum, I wouldn't need such a post. My scumteans tend to follow my lead. Look at my scumgames. The target I want gets lynched. I do not need to reach out to my fellow townies. So it may look scummy but that is the disease of Titus evidently.

If you guys would realize you are NOT Bo7 scum then y'all can fucking rule this shit as there will be next to no viable mislynches left.

Lynch Kagami
Lynch BBMolla
Lynch Majiffy
Lynch YnB
Lynch Action Dan

Any order is acceptable. Only one or two of those csn be town. The rest are scum. If there's a missing Bo7 after that it is NS but TSO came off really townie. Muffin I am reluctant to comment on.

[Birds of Prey]

Realized I forgot Egg in second tier scum.

[Birds of Prey]

Who do you think was bussing Lemin?

I actually think scum cooked up her claim of masons

in their thread

, so I think, especially at the beginning they were trying to save her. If scum were on her wagon, it was after it was obvious she was still going to be lynched after a mason claim.

Is this a slip of knowledge that scum have an onsite private topic rather than a quicktopic?

Well do you know if they do or not? Sounds like you might.

The site has shifted to pts. Nothing abnormal there. Quit mudslining town.

[Birds of Prey]

Lol advocating a PL on d5

Do you have other scumreads? It is Day 5. You haven't shown any.

Don't you think if you were right you'd be dead given the amount of times the wagon has tried and failed.

[Birds of Prey]

You've literally done nothing all game.

How does that make me scum?

Votes the same townie all game. Does not contribute. So yeah that's obvtown.

I have tunnelled YnB. My confidence on that read is waining just a little given the bad reaction we got for our switch. You may learn something by contributing.

Even inOrganic Chemistryyou contributed while tunnelling me.

[Birds of Prey]

I've actually never had an onsite one before.

If I'm scum, why did I claim a guilty on Aronis when he wasn't about to be lynched and I was pretty widely townread anyway?

I like this point. The main reason I suspect you at all is voting pattern. My paranoid side (which I am ignoring) says you both fake claimed to get one of you as conftown but that requires AD town which I do not see.

[Birds of Prey]

Shos, I was in a car accident Monday. That is why this head's activity decreased.

I will agree to be your vig target if Kagami is lynched.

[Birds of Prey]

I am leaning town on zmuffin. Zmuffin thinking miller demon is a strech given our pm is demon too. I can see noob town freaking out. But why didn't they claim in post 1? They are being lurksacks since.

Of course scummuffin would jump at the chance to lynch us so I doubt activity is alignment indicative. They haven't been doubtcasting the rightful townblock. He wasn't involved in the bad d1 wagons for the most part. He quicking jumped on YnB.

Zmuffin isn't taking a stance though. I want to see zmuffin push something.

[Birds of Prey]

I also do not see why anyone townreads Kagami? Their ISO is full of suspicious voting. They have doubtcasted town and a counterwagon pops up immediately after one vote on them.

[Birds of Prey]

Shos, I am fine btw. I am on bed rest for the most part so only phone posts.

[Birds of Prey]

Zmuffin who is your biggest scumread?

I don't expect you to read me well consistently but I expect when you are in the shadows observing for your reads to be more accurate.

Late game, if I am listened to, the game is my bitch. Look at Revolution mafia. I narrowed it down to two scum in a pool of three. We lynched scum flawlessly at the end. Look at Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkabam. Everyone was townreading gammagoey. I say he's scum bc vca. They listen and we win.

I may be less good early game. I am right here. Scum are picking off threats to yhem. Look at the YnB wagon most everyone is flipped or replaced.

[Birds of Prey]

Young and Beautiful 11 (Birds of Prey, HighShroomish, The Goat, xofelf, shos, TSO, geists, Abomination, Mist7676, Lord Mhork, Lemniscate)

BoP = Town
HS replaced w zmuffin = lean town
The Goat = prob town by play
Xoelf = dead town
Shos = obviously not Bo7
TSO replaced by NS = lean town bc TSO was townie
Geists = town
Mist7676 = town
Lord Mhork = Lean town gor play vca says lean town
Abomination and Leminscate = dead scum


Let us compare thst with shos and my wagon

[Birds of Prey]

shos 7

(Moogle Dance Troupe,

BulbaFenix,

Majiffy,

ProHawk, TSO,

BBmolla,

Nero Cain

xofelf 6 (Svenskt Stål, geists

,

shos,

Egg,

ActionDan, [color=greenAlways)

Nero Cain 4[/color]

(Abomination,

Squirrel Girl,

Mist7676, AngryIcerink)

Rhaego 3 (

beastcharizard, Lord Mhork, Squirrel Girl)

That is 1.12

Now let's break this down. The first 6 voters on this wagon are fucking votepatked there most of D1.
Beast and Mhork scream town here bc they are pushing the latter successful wagon on scum.
The unknowns on this wagon are Kagami (as MDT) Majiffy Molla and notscience (if very generous with unknown).


I will do your requested comparison shos. Hold on.

BBMolla immediately votes me for a shitty reason based on my Kagami vote. Obvious chainsaw. He said at first it was ok to let me be stupid but now it wasn't right after my vote changed? Ridiculous.

[Birds of Prey]

Underlined above is prob town. Shos orange is at least not Bo7 scum.

[Birds of Prey]

Young and Beautiful 11 (Birds of Prey, HighShroomish, The Goat, xofelf, shos, TSO, geists, Abomination, Mist7676, Lord Mhork, Lemniscate)

xofelf 6 (Egg, ActionDan, AngryIcerink, Moogle Dance Troupe, BBmolla, Young and Beautiful)

Lemniscate 4 (Squirrel Girl, Svenskt Stål, ProHawk, Nero Cain)


This is the point where people would naturally start choosing between xoelf and Lemniscate.
MDT, BBMolla, Egg and Action Dan are all on this wagon. All but Egg are voting me suddenly after I vote Kagami.
ProHawk is voting Leminiscate before it was deadline which suggests town. Nero Cain and Stal are confirmed dead town. SG is the only theoretically questionable player and she's probably town.

The YnB wagon is shock full of town. The end of that wagon is bussers. The start is all town. It's included to see where ppl peel off.

Spoiler: 1.33

Votecount 1.33

xofelf 6 (Egg, ActionDan, AngryIcerink, Moogle Dance Troupe, BBmolla, Young and Beautiful)

Lemniscate 5 (Squirrel Girl, Svenskt Stål, ProHawk, Nero Cain, geists)
shos 5 (BulbaFenix, Majiffy, Venmar, Lord Mhork, Mist7676)

Nero Cain 4 (Squirrel Girl, neil1113, Abomination, Lemniscate)

Jumping ahead to 1.33

We see geists jump back to confirmed scum. Our confirmed scum (but for vote parked Bulba) jump onto town.
We see Kagami Action Dan Egg and BBMolla all on xoelf confirmed town. At this point it should be readily apparent there is at leadt ne scum in Kagami Egg ActionDan and BBMolls.

Moving forward.

Spoiler: 1.36

shos 10 (BulbaFenix, Majiffy, Lord Mhork, Mist7676, The Goat, neil1113, Egg, Nero Cain, Young and Beautiful, Abomination)

Lemniscate 5 (Squirrel Girl, Svenskt Stål, ProHawk, geists, Always)

xofelf 4 (Moogle Dance Troupe, BBmolla, shos, notscience)

I jumped to here bc we have a second counterwagon to Leminiscate and xoelf. SG and Prohawk are the only unknowns on the wagon on scum. Again strong town indicator to votepark lynched scum but not as strong for SG given 2 votes.
MTD, BBMolla shos and ns are all on confirmed town.
Let's see where these people peel off to next post

[Birds of Prey]

Lemniscate 11 (Squirrel Girl, Svenskt Stål, ProHawk, geists, Always, Moogle Dance Troupe, The Goat, shos, ActionDan, Lord Mhork, HighShroomish)

shos 8 (BulbaFenix, Majiffy, Mist7676, neil1113, Egg, Nero Cain, Young and Beautiful, Abomination)

xofelf 2 (BBmolla, notscience)
Nero Cain 2 (Squirrel Girl, Lemniscate)

Leminiscate takes off like a rocket. We see some from the xoelf wagon get off towards the end. This suggests busding. This is pretty damning for Action Dan. Kagami looks pretty bad here as well.


VOTE: BBMolla

I am down for lynching BBMolla.

[Birds of Prey]

Noooooo shos your analysis is off my ability has to deal with barriers and nakaru.

It paraphrasing says Yhe barrier of Nakaru can stop all non-killing abilities. When Nakaru wants you dead he can disable it at will.

[Birds of Prey]

The mod was vague when I asked. If poisoning is a killing ability then I am able to be hit. If the poision is not, I am immune.

[Birds of Prey]

I paraphrased above for my ascetic zmuffin.

[Birds of Prey]

My flavor from the wiki has something to do with Nakaru. I am a pure asctetic. Just the implication is Nakaru can shut it off at will probably means if he targets me he'll do that.

[Birds of Prey]

Rephrasing to try to be clear

If it is not a killing ability, it fails if you are the target. However, Naraku can destroy the barrier whenever, and that will automatically happen if someone tries to kill you.

[Birds of Prey]

I have not received any notification of not being asctetic so....

[Birds of Prey]

Let's lynch both our town joats

what could go wrong

You are not toen.

[Birds of Prey]

Stop the wagon on ProHawk. He is town. He is the only method we have of stopping scum from having an awesome ability when they have the shards.

VOTE: ActionDan

The scumteam is most likely in Kagami/YnB/ActionDan/BBMolla/notscience (cuz lurking)/zmuffin.

I will not vote for anyone not in thatlist today.

[Birds of Prey]

I will vote for anyone on that above list. Can we get a consensus in that pool? Is anyone seriously townreading ActionDan?

[Birds of Prey]

Damn it. Forgot Majiffy in votable list.

[Birds of Prey]

YnB is confirmed town as long as Molla flips town, IIRC.

I don't know why you're lumping them in the "most likely scum" category, that'd be one hell of a risky gambit.

Really? How risky is it? If YnB fails three times, I don't think anyone would buy their claim. If Aronis vouched that's sketchy. So they pick the most townie looking player.

Can you vote ActionDan? If my pool turns out wrong, I vote shos. Deal?

[Birds of Prey]

Majiffy, basically you sheep me until I am wrong on Bo7/SK. Then I sheep you until you are wrong. You would get a guaranteed shos park tomorrow if AD is town.

[Birds of Prey]

ActionDan is someone who shpuld not be townread. He has pushed nothing. He has been on bad wagons throughout Day 1. Majiffy thinks heis probably scum. So it is a win win. If AD is town, my reads are likely shit. So I can sheep Jiffy.

If Molla "townreads" the SK, then this risk is minimal.

Egg both of those are town and there's probably at least 3-4 scum left.

[Birds of Prey]

I am willing to go three to four deep in my lynch pool so we hit scum. Why no AD lynch Egg?

[Birds of Prey]

SG, who do you think is scum in my pool of lynchables?

[Birds of Prey]

Sure SG. I will grab the relevant VC and votes.

[Birds of Prey]

Burn with fire.

VOTE: Abomination

UNVOTE: Abomination

VOTE: beastcharizard

Are you Scum?

VOTE: lecerint

Are you Scum?

VOTE: Katsuki

Are you Scum?

Maybe you're not as shy as beastcharizard and lecerint.

Someone vig shos now.

And why is that?

Do my questions bother you?

Why?

VOTE: Lord Mhork

This is a good chunk of Rhaego's post. Far too many naked votes for comfort. Look at the subtext.

1)

[Birds of Prey]

Sorry hit sumbit ehen I meant to scroll

1) He busses Abomination. He says kill it with fire and then unvotes w/out reason.
2) His next vote is on Beast. As far as I am concerned that townfirms beast unless scums have daychat. I find that unlikely.
3) He then votes Iecrint who is conftown.
4) Then he votes the last voter on the Oversoul wagon. Notice he doesn't have the same aggression towards the votes on town as he does scum.
5) He then changes to LM.

Both Katsuki (Now Oversoul) and LM are voting scum when he changes.

It doesn't make sense for a noob like Rhaego appeared to be to engage in multiple double bus chainsaws.

Relevant vcs are 1.6 (beast vote) 1.6b (Iecrint vote)1.09 (Katsuki vote) and 1.10 (follow up on Katsuki).

[Birds of Prey]

BםP, that description fits to many people, and there are others whose claims fit better as scum.

It does not shos. That was basic filler before you heard my town case on Oversoul based on votes.

[Birds of Prey]

*4 should be the last voter on the Abomination wagon.

[Birds of Prey]

In my slightly delirious sleepy think I'm realizing that shos SK can still make massive sense even though he 'vigs' if he has poison. I'm wondering if he's going back and forth between poison shots and vig shots and just making up shit about other abilities. Killing him could take out all the random bloodbath and leave us with only one kill per night, which is a hell of a lot easier to deal with.

This is definitely someone paranoid over shos. (Notation for later)

[Birds of Prey]

Egg, if you think I am town. Trust ProHawk is town.

What is your read on AD?

ProHawk, Do you think Egg faked a guilty on his own partner? It's possible but it's more likely that he's not scum. Quit bickering and vote from my pool please.

@BBMolla, towniest slots in the game? Haha. You AD and Kagami haven't done shit for ages.

[Birds of Prey]

You conveniently ignored the idea that Aronis' claim being dumb luck means his claim doesn't affect your alignment. Which means I'm back to square one where my result is a sort of guiltyish.

Honestly, I'd still rather lynch Oversoul, but I can see it's not going to happen which makes a lynch on you and Shos vig on Oversoul ideal.

Why do you want to keep voting town?

[Birds of Prey]

YnB, I will suppose your head is an egotistical idiot to be arguing my post count is indicative of alignment. I was in a fucking car wreck honey.

My post count is also relevant to the amount others post. I am not going to spam to meet a magical number.

I have been open and transparent. If you bothered to read my fucking posts, you would know that. Of course, town Titus doesnt fit that narrative.

I am transparent in who my townreads are and who my scumreads are.

I have said for days that the shos wagon was shit.
I have said for days thst Oversoul ProHawk Beast and shos are not Bof7 scum
I havent vacillated.
I haven't caused chaos.

BBMolla confirming you is what tipped me off to him possbly being scum. His votes has been shit all game long. He hasn't pushed scum at all. He was part of thr bad shos wagon.
You haven't done jackshit other than tunnel my slot. Newsflash if town woke up and saw that a full friendly neighbor claim became three shots at the end of Day 4 you would be lynched already.

Also, you really are desperate with ascetic serial killer. That role would be an SK that takes kills eith a vig and scum with zero protection. You are desperate.

There are missing kills. Either a)scum killed the guy the SK wanted to poison a lot or scum hit the SK. BBMolla and you cozy up to them.


The people on the shos wagon have been turning town against itself.

What explains my wagon taking off after I vote Kagami? Oh no wait BBMolla snd ActionDan thought it was ok for me to vote yhe FN but not the puppet wiyh a shitastic claim? Bullshit. Kagami is more lynchable so scum piled onto mr to discredit me.

That being said if people follow my townblock. We will win.

[Birds of Prey]

VOTE: Vote Majiffy

YnB my track record gas been voting scum each and everyday. You are scum. You are not confirmed town. Shifting your claim to three shot when you realized I would demand more scum vouch than one should be a dead giveaway. If people listen to me and stop voting fucking town, we win.

If that takes me getting lynched, then I will get lynched. Then people will listen to my analysis. My VCA has never excluded scum and hit just town. I am deadly in the late game.

Revolution mafia - Narrowed scum down to three. We won flawlessly after that.
Harry Potter - Came in Day 8 and forced the last scum for trying to take credit for a wagon on his buddy despite being off it at lynch time.
NY 173- VCA nails two scum. Town lynches me despite me leading lynch on scum at the time where no scum would do that.

My late game track record speaks for itself.

You took a chance letting us live this long. When we flip town, a wall of conf not Bo7 will rise up and take you. You gambled that my read on YnB would be doubted bc I was alive and people will be cowards. By having all the not town on this wagon, you will lose. Anyone can see this is a recycled shos wagon for the most part. I have no clue why shos is fucking on it.

[Birds of Prey]

I would murder titus for being titus if I thought there was a point in doing so

I don't really think she's scum though

I wouldn't object to her being vig killed just because I realise she's a distraction but I'm meh on the lynching thing

Do you think titus thinks this is what my scum-game looks like, muffin?

Yes. I have never played with this account to my knowledge. PV scumread you a lot earlier and was thrilled when I moved my vote.

[Birds of Prey]

Those are valid points.

However, could you please draw the link between your 3 points -> YnB is scum? You have yet to show this despite your well-written analysis and case.

If the conclusions of your case are: "You are X, Y, and Z, but you are not scum," then there is no need for all the tension; in fact you have just lured a pack of hungry scum for a mislynch on poor YnB. Aren't my kisses enough?

- b -

The first point-
This is a tell that I have used without fail in three other games. Two of which you know of. I trust it. It works.
The second point- only solidifying under pressure, as Mhork is saying, is scummy. Once the pressure starts to alleviate you go back to fluff-posting, which, seeing as it is the third point, isn't something town players do. Having 91 posts of near nothing is bad. And this bad means scummy bad.

I concede defeat. Our play hasn't exactly been stellar, and your case is very valid and sound. I know that it leads to the wrong answer, thus there is definitely a flaw in there that results in a contradiction, but I am unable to find it using logical reasoning as you have provided.

It's like a complicated math problem; the working and methodology is seemingly correct, but for some reason you arrive at the wrong answer. It may take a good eye to spot the possible (careless) mistake, but I can't.

I'm

Jinenji, Town Demon Friendly Neighbor

. Some flavor about being a gentle giant being afraid of humans or something. And I help Kagome collect herbs or something.

I am a Demon. I can visit a player every night, and they will receive a message confirming me as Town the next day.

This explains my "uselessness" et al. We were trying to have fun, and also our plan was to coast using our ability, since it would give us a whole lot of breathing room. Unfortunately, we got run up today, and might be a potential nightkill target now. Didn't expect that.


Oh and sorry Y if I'm claiming prematurely. We're L-4 and a ton of scum is on our wagon.

- b -

Oh, and I neglected to post this at the start of the day.

I'm a 3-shot Friendly Neighbor. I had wanted to announce this after I had a successful Neighbor confirmation, but I forgot to do so.

My Role PM explicitly says that my shots will be used up regardless if my action was successful or not. I would not be notified if my action was unsuccessful, anyway.

Although it would be pretty obvious the next day.

I've been using all three shots ASAP for the past 3 nights, so although I've only had one successful confirmation, which sucks, third time's the charm, I guess?

- b -

Now look at these two posts.

What are the odds that two heads of a hydra

Both

forget to claim limited shot FN when claiming?
What are the odds that an FN misses the first two nights?
What are the odds of Y n B knowing she was blocked Day 1 despite site meta of not usually getting feedback on roleblocked Day 1?
What are the odds that Y n B picked the dead guy Day 2?
What are the odds of the host explicitly saying in the role pm shots are used when you fail, despite that not being site meta?


What are the odds that BBMolla confirms her to take advantage of being widely townread scum?
What are the odds that a scum vote triggered her claim and the two confirmed scum are the only scum on the wagon and she panicked realizing the wagon would look really bad for scum?
What are the odds of YnB still being caught in a useless OMGUS tunnel if scum knowing my town meta is to find scum and tunnel?

[Birds of Prey]

VOTE: BBMolla

[Birds of Prey]

BoP, I fully agree against you, you know.
You,majiffy, prohawk andmhork, are tje four most controversial peeps in this game for me, and I want yall dead. You literally just said that 'mollaconfirming ynb' was what tipped you off.

How?

If I were a friendly neighbour and I confirm myself to you. As town, wouldnt you say that? As scum, you have the choice to go against, but as town you 100% confirm him. So how did it make you think molla was scum?

If scum can do X and Y and town can only do X and X happens then this is null. If it was Y, I get it, but X? Nah.

Going balls to the walls against the practically only cpnftown(s) that town has with 18 alive - whats up with that?

Ima just start removing.

Also, titus, your townplay is very remote from this game iirc. Your post count by itself speaks.

No. YnB's claim is obvious bullshit. I have shown the errors. If YnB is scum, then her voucher must be scum as well.

Oversoul is not Bo7. Beast is not Bo7. Lord Mhok is not Bo7. ProHawk is not Bo7. Egg is probably not Bo7. You are not Bo7. Zmuffin and notscience are probably not Bo7 for not jumping on me bc easy and their slots voting YnB during the first wagon.

We handle Bo7 first. Let scum indicate/kill the SK unless we get evidence of the SK.

Inb4 YnB goes back to the SK theory bc the lyncher one was obviously shit.

[Birds of Prey]

Unvote: Majiffy

Just to toy with people.
Also, wow, sudden flash wagon.

Yup. Except the Flashwagon on Molla has town on it. Mine was started after I voted Kagami. BB's was started after a case highlighting how shitty YnB's claim is.

[Birds of Prey]

Egg, that's good. We agree on AD scum. Look back at your posts. See if you see the same behavior or if his behavior reflects the concerns.

Why did you skip over the post where I highlighted the bullshit in YnB's claim? Do you have nothing to say there?

[Birds of Prey]

Egg, that is the wrong way of looking at it fmpov. If you know YnB is scum, then Molla must be.

If the analysis is wrong (unlikely) YnB is unquestionably confirmed town with no PR. However if you need a BBMolla case, I will make you one.

[Birds of Prey]

Egg, I realize that came out wrong. If you discover YnB is scum, then BB is scum as well. If BB is town, YnB is as well. Therefore if YnB is scummy, lynch BBMolla. If we are wrong YnB is unquestionably town. If we are right, 2 for 1.

[Birds of Prey]

BBMolla VCA
1.6 through 1.18 - Molla votes shos who is unlikely bo7 scum.
1.19 through 1.26 - Molla votes conftown xoelf.
1.27 is when YnB takes off with a really townie wagon. BBMolla still voting conftown.
BB keeps voteparked on xoelf conftown until 1.37 when he busses. How do I know he's bussing...

For being voteparked so long, you would expect townMolla to push xoelf. No. He has less than 20 posts. None of which are strongly pushing xoelf. He mentions Leminiscate once prior to voting him at the end of the day. That was "conflicted on Leminiscate". He approves of AngryIecrint's vote. AngryIcerink isn't voting xoelf but Mist7676 who is confirmed town.

BBMolla then unvotes and starts advocating for a no lynch...on Day 1.

On Day 2 he resumes his voteparking shit on xoelf but for a slight dalliance with my wagon. My day 2 wagon has Abomination and BulbaFenix with Aronis on it. When my wagon loses steam he goes back to xoelf.

I am up to post 6000 BB prematurely claims, has asked once for help lynching xoelf and not given a single serious reason why xoelf is scum.


His ISO is devoid of any strong push until you reach me. Even then he's not pushing me. He's voting me because I'm allegedlybad.


[Mental note 2.9 has Abomination and Bulba on it. Zmuffin is almost certainly town.]

[Birds of Prey]

Egg if you are townreading BBMolla, I would need to know why.

[Birds of Prey]

Oops I forgot the Rhaego mention. He mentions Rhaego as could kynch. Leminscate as conflicted. Votes lemniscate. Then unvotes and argues for no lynch not xoelf.

[Birds of Prey]

Great! But what if I'm townreading both players?

If you cannot follow me, discuss it rationally with me.
If you cannot follow me, vote another player who isn't town.

[Birds of Prey]

I said Oversoul is town Pick someone who isn't town or at least could be scum.

Also, a five second glance knows you were trying to get xoelf lynched. Scum do not stick their neck out in that manner usually. Your passion and drive are what indicate you are likely town despite only lynching scum when you have a guilty on them.

Your explanation on Molla's frustration makes zero sense. He is frustrated he's not getting a lynvh so he argues for a no lynch. That's logically inconsistent. It's like saying I really don't want the opposing team to score in Hockey so we play without a goal keeper.

He should have pushed xoelf hard and the worst case scenario is no lynch. He argues no lynch to be less obvious as Lemni's buddy after the flip.

[Birds of Prey]

Wasn't xof lynched for the whole 'there can only be one town JOAT' argument though?

No. That's not at all why I wanted her head in a noose.

Well why did you? Your ISO is a little murky on that point.

[Birds of Prey]

There's actually some truth in what Titus is saying, but the problem is that I'm 96% sure she's scum.

It's like varsoon's from Touhou UPick 2. I knew he knew I was town because of an earlier interaction that only the two of us understood. When he started "suspecting" me the last day, it made him obvscum (though I thought he was the SK, because I thought FG wouldn't make a groupscum GF with a cop who announces her target publicly).

Titus should know that I'm town, but instead she came up with the silliest reason imaginable to vote me, then started justifying it with some VCA PoE that ignores my scum pushes.

I still think Titus is scum, but if she's SK, then she might be right on molla (and it would explain why she seems so certain that Y&B is scum despite evidently having no idea what's gone on in most of the game. I think that's unlikely though. Scum don't CC town on day 1.

Read. I am desperately scum eith YnB and BB and I cannot refute this so I will call Titus the SK.

[Birds of Prey]

I said Oversoul is town Pick someone who isn't town or at least could be scum.

I disagree

Your explanation on Molla's frustration makes zero sense. He is frustrated he's not getting a lynvh so he argues for a no lynch. That's logically inconsistent. It's like saying I really don't want the opposing team to score in Hockey so we play without a goal keeper.He should have pushed xoelf hard and the worst case scenario is no lynch. He argues no lynch to be less obvious as Lemni's buddy after the flip.

People have weird ways of making a point. You saying this is almost like voting someone for pulling the ol' fake dayvig thing because they fakeclaimed.

Explain to me why a 6 headed hydra and noob scum would think it's a good idea to chainsaw their buddy. That's the vote pattern.

No. BBMolla arguing for a no lynch scumfirms him. If he voteparked that long, he should be convinced Xoelf is scum and pushed that or be convinced every other case was shit. His ISO doesn't indicate that.

Scum do CC town Day 1. Doubly so if they have to for their fakeclaim to be viable. Triply so if they need a townie looking scum for YnB.

[Birds of Prey]

...
Read. I am desperately scum eith YnB and BB and I cannot refute this so I will call Titus the SK.

No, your push on me is terrible, and I've been calling you poss-SK for a while. I would love it if I'm right, because then lynching you basically wins the game.

Do you even remember your original justification for voting me?

Lol. Lynching the SK basically wins the game. LMFAO.

What do you not have to lynch scum anymore?

[Birds of Prey]

Kagami you haven't been widely discussed much less widely townread. Even then, scum have two people who fit the bill. One has claimed superpowered joat and is not dead.

[Birds of Prey]

Then they would have picked me. Aren't I scum with them?

p-edit: I would 100% want BB lynched next. The best explanation for your behavior is some kind of investigation.

Believe whatever gets you to bus.

[Birds of Prey]

Kagami you haven't been widely discussed much less widely townread. Even then, scum have two people who fit the bill. One has claimed superpowered joat and is not dead.

Again, you appear to be reading a different game.

Yup. I am reading the game where lynching the SK isn't autowin for town. But hey, I know you're scum too.

[Birds of Prey]

...
Read. I am desperately scum eith YnB and BB and I cannot refute this so I will call Titus the SK.

No, your push on me is terrible, and I've been calling you poss-SK for a while. I would love it if I'm right, because then lynching you basically wins the game.

Do you even remember your original justification for voting me?

Lynching the SK does not result in an autowin for town. So obvious that Kagami is scum.

[Birds of Prey]

Sounds like you're flipping SK.

this

I'll make a neat post in a min

I will trump it with nearly solving the game. You don't mess with late game town Titus

[Birds of Prey]

1. Nope. YnB should have claimed limited shot at the outset but not how many. It's a wifom battle. Not a misrep to say players should play and claim accurately.
2. Right YnB claiming blocked but she didn't know she was blocked bullshit. She said that. Cmon. No one knows. She should have suspected the recipient was scum at least a little. No suspicion bc YnB knows not scum.
4. Site meta is shot gets used in failure and not to put it in the role pm.
7. Early game I have issues. Late game I am that good. My last three larges, I have been spot on. My VCA works.


SG town. Lord Mhok town.

@shos why are you supposing 3 scum left with a clear suggestion 7 scum?

[Birds of Prey]

Titus's awesome wall of win

Town no one should ever vote for

ProHawk - Claim CCs flipped scum before flip. The setup would naturally have a role like his in it. Early voted scum.
Oversoul - Scum chainsawing his slot Day 1. Town as it can get.
Beastcharizard - Rhaego stops bussing to vote Beast. It makes zero sense to stop bussing the buddy with the larger wagon to vote a buddy with a smaller wagon.
Zmuffin - Both confirmed scum voting him Day 2 early with no incentive to bus.

Probable town

Lord Mhok - Again voting patterns here.
SG - Double Voter claim, voted scum early. When she voted NC, two confirmed scum came on after her.
notscience/TSO - Early vote on YnB. Hasn't supported many wagons on town. This is the weakest though as ns lurking is consistent with scum ns.
Neil1113 - Neighborhood.
Penguin Alien - Neighbirhood.
The Goat - Liked his early vote on YnB. Has not gotten in the way of scum wagons. He hasn't helped them either. Hasn't claimed N4 investigation. Weak lean town. He's the second weakest.
Egg - Caught Aronis scum. Has a problem with voting town without investigative help. I am paranoid both Egg and Aronis were scum. I wouldn't disagree with people townreading Egg fully though.

SK suspect

Shos - He flip flops on town v scum on a daily basis. Within each day he's consistent. Today, he is playing scum apologist despite the same people he's defending wanting him dead for so long without reasons. That makes zero sense unless he plans to kill them at night. He said Kagami slipped but no vote earlier. Now he's denying an obvious scumclaim from Kagami and trying to put lipstick on YnB's pig claim.

Scum suspect pool

ActionDan - Lurktastic. Said his claim implied multiball (misdirection). No memorable pushes.
Kagami - Killing the SK practically wins us the game. No honey. It puts us with 4likely scum in an 18 player pool. Bad OMGUS/SK on me.
Majiffy - Voteparked on shos. If his puppetry has an investigation, he should claim it already or start working with people.
Young and Beautiful - Hasn't done anything but misfirect, tunnel town and make an obvious bus vote. Fake claim is fake.
BBMolla - Vouched for bad claim. Argued for no lynch on Leminiscate after bad bus trajectory. Never pushed xoelf as scum despite votepark.

[Birds of Prey]

@shos, I don't argue with inane andinsane ramblings. Those points are desperate reaches beyond most of your post. For instance, claiming someone does not get towncred for voting scum.

[Birds of Prey]

Majiffy, I have asked you this before. I am asking you again. Vote with me until I am wrong. (If I ever am). If I hit wrong, you can use my vote as you see fit until you are wrong.

[Birds of Prey]

Make that list completely backwards and I pretty much agree. Like make all the town reads scum reads and all the scum reads town reads.

Then you can explain why. A dialugue is key. How the hell coild you not think Kagami is scum when she says lynching the SK basicalky wins the game? With 4 scum left.

[Birds of Prey]

Oh, and now that I'm on a computer instead of phone for once:

That's pretty reaching for a slip. A thread is a thread regardless of it being in a QT or onsite, but by all means, scum bring it on. Sorry that

you can't hit scum on all your targets Egg

. As much as you wish it to be so, my role PM won't magically change.

My last 4 games as a town power role:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=48144
One shot vig. Killed scum N2

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=38509
One shot watcher. Caught scum role blocking the claimed cop

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=40595
Cop. Got a guilty on bjc

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=40262
tracked scum to kill N1

So yeah, me catching two scum on two shots is entirely possible, I think.

What is your second scum catch? I have Aronis.

[Birds of Prey]

I love you think the mod lets the game be crackable by flavor shos.

If scum lynched you shos, then they have a clearer path to victory. I am the last player pushing scum. You have just as many ppl telling you I am town as voters bc I am town.

I have posted airtight cases on YnB BB and Kagami. Flail more.

[Birds of Prey]

Shos, if zmuffin is claimed scum, why haven't you vigged or voted him?

Why isn't he in your "vig" pool.

[Birds of Prey]

I love the baseless discredits like the buzzword obvious. Lol.

[Birds of Prey]

Mod can we get prods?

[Birds of Prey]

BoP, OS or Majiffy die tonight

I also LOVE IT how you think that the claimed Bo7 is town and still think there are 7 scums.

Mutually inconsistent with zmuffin or Lord Mhork claiming scum.

[Birds of Prey]

zMuffin claimed to be Bo7 too?

Doesn't matter. The whole claimed Bo7 is a ramble that I have ignored. That's clear when shos wants to "vig" and doesn't include his "claimed scum". Lord Mhok should be his only vig target if he bought that garbage.

[Birds of Prey]

You see I yhink YnB BBMolla and Kagami claimed scum, so I push yhem. I don't say they clsimed scum so I will shoot ProHawk.

Lol @ Shos, my town list is fucking awesome. Poison me at night.

[Birds of Prey]

@Majiffy, join the Molla wagon. We can lynch sk shos tomorrow.

[Birds of Prey]

@shos, if you actually believed that Lord Mhok claimed Bo7 you would have pushed yhem. If thst fsils, vig them. Unless you are appeasing a scumteam, that doesn't die.

You also don't imply there's six scum and the guy in the band of seven who betrays them is scum.

@BBMolla, Anyone who hears me say yes to that is a fucking liar. I never self-vote.

[Birds of Prey]

This is pretty much a joke at this point. Shos and Kagami are slipping all over the thread. BBMolla is obvious apathetic scum.

[Birds of Prey]

1. Shos "the vig" claims Lord Mhok claimed scum. Opens the day without confirmed scum in his vig pool and doesn't vote the obvious scumfrom his perspective. Simultaneously he argues for 6 scum rather than 7 scum. He fals to make the obvious logical leap that hey people who betray scum (if flavor is relevant), are not likely in the scum faction. Refuses to vote Kagami after calling her post a slip. Then he backpedals. Then he puts lipstick on YnBs pig.

2. Kagami's lynch the SK and we win. Yet there's three to four scum left.

3. BBMolla and YnB not pushing much. YnB has pushed me a little but mostly when I mention how scummy they are.

[Birds of Prey]

Oversoul, stop trying to outguess the mod. Look at rational player behavior.

Does shis's behavior come from town? Do town really think they are in a great position with 3 scum and 16-17 left alive? Do town vote park and not argue why their chosen candidate is scum? Do town change claims mid game?

[Birds of Prey]

I will admit I have a policy to lynch scum. Doesn't make it a policy lynch.

[Birds of Prey]

@shos, if you think LM is a miller, why did you add him to the vig list?

[Birds of Prey]

Shos just stop while your behind. The only people who believe you are a vig have scum PMs.

[Birds of Prey]

Lol. Caught backtracking. You have said LM claimed scum as an objection to me townreading him. Now he's a miller who might be scum.

[Birds of Prey]

pedit: WHY THE FUCK WOULD THAT MEAN KAGAMI IS SCUM??? if SK is lynched that does NOT MEAN SCUM WIN. it means we have a 17v3 situation, and this is reaaaaaally a cool town win.

I also LOVE IT how

you think that the claimed Bo7 is town and still think there are 7 scums

.[/b]

Take a look at that. You bitching LM is scum. You left them out of you vig pool. I call you out. You dance and say Miller for demon cop. Lol. Just stop.

[Birds of Prey]

Oversoul read my last post.

[Birds of Prey]

Fucking exactly. You said you couldn't believe I townread LM. By that measure you scumread him insanely strongly. Yet your vig pool is me OS and Majiffy. If you objected so strongly to my townread, why wasn't LM in your vig pool? You picked me OS and Jiffy. You put LM in your pool. Then you say he's town miller.

Your right to life shall be revoked. At this point I am done trying to stop town from voting itself when it should be readily apparent who scum are. I don't care if I am sheeping a scum suspect. You die.

VOTE: shos

[Birds of Prey]

There is only so many times I can say stop voting town before I get really pissed off and start calling everyone idiots.

[Birds of Prey]

pedit: WHY THE FUCK WOULD THAT MEAN KAGAMI IS SCUM??? if SK is lynched that does NOT MEAN SCUM WIN. it means we have a 17v3 situation, and this is reaaaaaally a cool town win.

I also LOVE IT how

you think that the claimed Bo7 is town and still think there are 7 scums

.[/b]

Take a look at that. You bitching LM is scum. You left them out of you vig pool. I call you out. You dance and say Miller for demon cop. Lol. Just stop.

...??

"I love it how you" does not mean "I agree with you on". it means, "I laugh at how stupid you can be when you say that.."

I honestly can't believe you thought I was supporting this

regardless of his alignment, so let's focus on them.

lytnching him (Lord Mhok) now will only take away town's power

when it tries to find the other three. if we lynch three and the SK and we haven't won yet - then we autolynch him, and no harm done.

[Birds of Prey]

How would town power be better off with leaving Mhork alive, Shos?

Read the bolded again. He is saying Lynching Mhok makes town less powerful. That means Mhok is TOWN!

[Birds of Prey]

LM, vote shos with me. Majiffy won't move. SG should double vote here and Molla

Shos, I forgot claimed scum means weak scumread and weak scumreads are worth attacking townblocks over.

[Birds of Prey]

:eyeroll: I cannot get to the comedy club on bedrest but your posts are the first things to make me laugh for awhile this game.

[Birds of Prey]

Oversoul, if you want my vote on Jiffy make him the largest of the scum suspects. Oversoul people are voting you because of your inability to figure out basic logic. You are giving shos far too much benefit of the doubt.

Shos, you are claiming that LM never claimed scum after claiming LM claimed to be Bo7 scum.

[Birds of Prey]

Gun to your head shos- Pick an alignment dor every player in the game.

[Birds of Prey]

I already did quote it. Your objection to me having LM in the townblock because he claimed scum.

How come Oversoul and Majiffy aren't listed as scum in your list but in your vig targets? How is Dan scum and not a vig target?

[Birds of Prey]

By the way, you aren't rolefishing town.

[Birds of Prey]

And I want my student debt paid off, the town to stop voting each other, and my back to heal so I can do more than phone post

We don't get what we want.

Again, you are treating your "scumread" AD differently than SG or BC. You put in bold you want their claims but your scumread ooops...better ask him.

Occam's Razor my friend

[Birds of Prey]

Backtrack all you want. Your stances have more give than a bobble head doll.

[Birds of Prey]

No Majiffy. If YnB is scum, Molla must be scum. If we lynch BBMolla and get town, we know I am wrong. If we lynch and get scum, we autolynch YnB.

Of course I am putting that on the backburner because Shos is the most obvious SK ever short of Piegyn.

[Birds of Prey]

In the abstract no. Based on play yes.

[Birds of Prey]

Majiffy look at shos. Translate please. I feel like I am speaking Greek to most everyone.

[Birds of Prey]

Translations: You will have to excuse me for not keeping my shit straight. My reads are completely inconsistent with being a vig; there's a large portion of the game I have no desire to put in the effort to interact with when I can kill them. Those who I must attempt to interact with, will be labeled town or scum to fit my everchanging agenda.


There we go. All better.

[Birds of Prey]

Yeah I think I'm leaning BoP town after all this shit. They're putting in more effort than most the base.

Are you scum or dumb

Yeah Lord Mhork is not scum. Thanks for confirming

[Birds of Prey]

That's the thing YnB. You can vote park me all you want. Hell you can even mislynch me. As long as the town players do not vote each other, then my job is done. People are starting to realize my reads are right. I have tethered my list in VCA. I am bound to that list. My conftowns cannot change.

I am terrible at persuasion. I know it. That is why I have a pool. All of your men are cracking. Their reads change on a dime.

You also forget the key thing, and it is key to scumreading me. My motivations and objectives are more important than my in life game. I haven't cared about my survival. Use my flip as a guidepost.

VCA is my best asset for town. If I die trying, town will treat this as my funeral.You will have to discredit my logic to get Oversoul and ProHawk lynched.It's a tall order for me to overcome. Abrasiveness will not work here. I am terrible at reaching out. But it is a bit of strategy. My goal is to end the chaos. I can do that if town stop voting each other.

[Birds of Prey]

Well shos is still scummy as fuck. I don't know if anyone is actually arguing that. ._.

Then vote shos.

Take an oath not to vote my townreads today. Test me to see if we hit scum. It is a bit of a leap of faith but if all my townreads don't vote each other. Our collective chance increases greatly.

[Birds of Prey]

I get mislynched in the early game much more frequently. This is midgame.

First they laugh at you (ludicrious), then they fight you (please stop and the lynch train) then you win (dead scum).

[Birds of Prey]

MAJIFFY

who is scum

According to Majiffy, it is shos, shos, shos and shos.

If you are charting vote there.

[Birds of Prey]

Why aren't we lynching BBmolla again?

Titus, are you scum?

You should vote Molla. There are cases on all of my suspects. I am not trying to lynch one scum but to form a consensus block of town.

[Birds of Prey]

If we get that consensus, we cannot mislynch. It will be a wall of town. That is what we need.

[Birds of Prey]

Oh I almost forgot.
HELL NO! I am not scum.

[Birds of Prey]

We are lynching all the not town. We are lynching BBMolla, YnB, shos, and Kagami. If one happens to be wrong or there are seven scum, we can hit Majiffy. Unity is the first step.

So I ask you beast? Are you in to take down the scum and to realize that scum tend to be predictable unless they think outside the norm.

It's much easier to give a variety of choices.

[Birds of Prey]

No. It is not.

[Birds of Prey]

We lynch BBMolla bc they are apathetic scum.

[Birds of Prey]

There is no reason to claim flavor. It is not alignment relevant.

[Birds of Prey]

Are you even reading? They are town.

[Birds of Prey]

Why aren't you explaining the value of your fishing expedition?

[Birds of Prey]

shos, flavor is irrelevant. They could claim any character. It wouldn't matter.

YnB, that's the reason why you are scum and I am town. Your walls are cracking and you be a bully. You throe I'm conftown and you expect people to follow you like God. Always was town and wrong. Town can be wrong. Why are you afraid of free will.

I am not trying to force any particular lynch. I am creating an actual town block.

My goal is to have people work together.

The more you holler empty threats, the more you look like scum. You cannot vote me again. Your only option is to convince town to vote itself.

Where do you stand? If you are going to "shut me down" for reaching out, you will lose. I am not controlling anyone. I am not forcing any particular lynch.

Keep trying to paint me as a bully though.

That will have some doubt your conftown status.

[Birds of Prey]

Hosts don't make games breakable by flavor. You keep saying 6 scum and one sk. It makes sense that the guy who betrays the Bo7 is town in that paradigm.

If you were so confident, why wasn't he on your first vig lynch? Answer: You want to kill town or threats to you.

You made a big deal about how your position as a counterwagon and shot scum made you not Bo7. Yet you ignore votes on Oversoul and I that suggest town.

[Birds of Prey]

Can someone tell me where discussion about undead scum first started and what oversoul said about it maybe

If you give me something more specific or a time frame, I can look. Otherwise, you can cntl +F on "undead scum" in Oversoul's ISO.

[Birds of Prey]

Lol. You pretty much just did play the I am conftown card. You are not though.

YnB for knowing my meta, you should know that I am rarely if ever sheeped.

I don't see how pushing scum is bigoted.

You are saying policy lynch me because I cannot be cleared. Sweetie, the rational for lynching me applies to everyone but you. The only way you can be 100% cleared is to mislynch bb. Neither of you are town, so no confirmation.

You keep threatening me with big guns.

You should know my meta well enough that I rarely self hammer. I have done it once.

Throwig hysterical words like bigot is insane and you know it.

[Birds of Prey]

We're all listening to YB now? 0.o
Your scum reads are all kinda really townie YB...

My scum reads are over soul and Birds of Prey. If you think they are townie... And you are town... Let's say this will be the last game that I play with you.

Explain why Rhaego noob scum chainsawed for the 6 headed hydra by voting Katsukiand how that could be scum.

[Birds of Prey]

"For starters i don't make walls" followed by a wall is the mafia equivalent of "I'm not racist, but..." I guess

Really though, once I'm irritated enough with Titus to stop bothering with her ridiculous posts, I am just going to post a relevant image/gif to ridicule any objectionable post that I see from her.

No need to waste my time with walls.

Again, you are just throwing buzzwords? What is ridiculous about saying these people are town, do not vote for them ridiculous? How does that "cause chaos"? It seems tome like my stubborn prsistence is ruining a scum plan.

Have it out with me later. Disagreeing and being a wall tunneller is ridiculous for WotC treatment.

[Birds of Prey]

Rhaego is the old slot for Leminiscate.

By what standard did I "lose" thevargument with shos? People are seeing his behavior. They are also seeing BBMolla scum.

I haven't been pushing muslynches. I have pushed you, BB, shos, Kagami and Majiffy for reasons already stated. None of them have flipped.

I do not intend to be s religious scumting goddess. I just want to lynch scum. Do I rush to dwath recklessly? Nope.

I prove as many people are town and scum as I can.

[Birds of Prey]

Time to repost the wall of good.

[Birds of Prey]

Titus's awesome wall of win

Town no one should ever vote for

ProHawk - Claim CCs flipped scum before flip. The setup would naturally have a role like his in it. Early voted scum.
Oversoul - Scum chainsawing his slot Day 1. Town as it can get.
Beastcharizard - Rhaego stops bussing to vote Beast. It makes zero sense to stop bussing the buddy with the larger wagon to vote a buddy with a smaller wagon.
Zmuffin - Both confirmed scum voting him Day 2 early with no incentive to bus.

Probable town

Lord Mhok - Again voting patterns here.
SG - Double Voter claim, voted scum early. When she voted NC, two confirmed scum came on after her.
notscience/TSO - Early vote on YnB. Hasn't supported many wagons on town. This is the weakest though as ns lurking is consistent with scum ns.
Neil1113 - Neighborhood.
Penguin Alien - Neighbirhood.
The Goat - Liked his early vote on YnB. Has not gotten in the way of scum wagons. He hasn't helped them either. Hasn't claimed N4 investigation. Weak lean town. He's the second weakest.
Egg - Caught Aronis scum. Has a problem with voting town without investigative help. I am paranoid both Egg and Aronis were scum. I wouldn't disagree with people townreading Egg fully though.

SK suspect

Shos - He flip flops on town v scum on a daily basis. Within each day he's consistent. Today, he is playing scum apologist despite the same people he's defending wanting him dead for so long without reasons. That makes zero sense unless he plans to kill them at night. He said Kagami slipped but no vote earlier. Now he's denying an obvious scumclaim from Kagami and trying to put lipstick on YnB's pig claim.

Scum suspect pool

ActionDan - Lurktastic. Said his claim implied multiball (misdirection). No memorable pushes.
Kagami - Killing the SK practically wins us the game. No honey. It puts us with 4likely scum in an 18 player pool. Bad OMGUS/SK on me.
Majiffy - Voteparked on shos. If his puppetry has an investigation, he should claim it already or start working with people.
Young and Beautiful - Hasn't done anything but misfirect, tunnel town and make an obvious bus vote. Fake claim is fake.
BBMolla - Vouched for bad claim. Argued for no lynch on Leminiscate after bad bus trajectory. Never pushed xoelf as scum despite votepark.

Please read this town.

@Mod: VC please

[Birds of Prey]

Just sayyin. Lol


BoP - we have so many. SO many reasons to think that flavor matters. How can you just disregard it? Do you honestly think that scumteam can be called 'band of seven mafia' and be made of 3 bo7 members +4 other random people?

Making scum Bo7 does not mean the game is breakable. Scum can be given fakeclaims, there are plenty kf characters in this show.

Name one reason. Fakeclaims blow it to hell. The scums can ask for flavor if it appeared to be useable at all.

Flavir ain't relevant.

Scumhunt please. You asking for flavor bullshit is trying to spin someone as scum cuz flavor.

[Birds of Prey]

I'll re-quote your loss in the shos argument later, since you have such a selective memory... It will make you look like a fool though.

You aren't push ing 'mislynches' in so much as to cause chaos and disruption. Your lynch pool is narrowing and your scumteam is dropping like flies, seeing a dire situation, you took it upon yourself to do why you do best: create massive town confusion to allow the last few members to survive.

There is no possible way to 'prove' people town or scum. Are you a scumhunting goddess? A cop, maybe? Perhaps an IC confirmed town with a 'Best Town Performance' banner? What? None of them? Why, anybody who listens to whatever you are saying must be so ashamed!

Not to mention the obvious issue of you being scum lying through your teeth.

Project much?

I asked you how forming a townblock = creating chaos. You respond with more buzzwords.

You have dodged answering why Oversoul is scum.

You are running out of mislynches if the town follows the wall of win.

[Birds of Prey]

However, you do have a valid point in Lemniscate. I noticed that my slot was not on the Lemni wagon at the end of day 1, and accept full responsibility for that. I do have mitigation in that I was away during that period, and Y was handling the event during that time. I will not shirk responsibility though, it falls on my slot.


But! If I don't remember who Rhaego is, then your point isn't very relevant, Titus. It's outdated and probably inconsequential evidence. What are you trying to argue with that point?

Day 1 is the most important day in VCA. Scum are least likely to bus.

Also, scum don't chainsaw scum for scum is also accurate. I have never seen it.

[Birds of Prey]

More buzzwords and spam.

Really provide an example where Scum A votes Scum B and Scum C then votes A on the same team Day 1. Until then Oversoul is conftown.

Attaching yourself to a position is dangerous as scum. You can try discrediting and mudslinging or scumhunt.

Or you can use those big guns.

I will see tomorrow.

Good night.

[Birds of Prey]

One more thing, for a conftown, you are obsessed with proving your innocence.

[Birds of Prey]

Lol. YnB you are panicked scum. You just spent a page arguing that I make no sense and you disagree with my reads. Well no shit. You are scum.

Shos, Undead v. Human v. Demon isn't flavor. Names are flavor. The cute ability text is flavor. Who gives a shit for that? I do recall beast modifying like you asked though. Also I do think our demon cop flipped so I am not even sure if the relevance for that.

ProHawk, if Rhego looked like they had any experience whatsoever I might entertain that. They are very noob scum. Scum given their size, likely do not have daychat. Furthermore, it is near impossible to plan around VCA as it looks at votes plus context. That would require scum to know who will be alive or dead when the VCA is being conducted.

Oversoul, make Majiffy the largest out of my suspects and I will vote there. Argue for Jiffy scum. Mhork is town, so I won't vote there. I am trying to actually get people to townread you.

Zmuffin, stop it. You are tiwn. You think I am town. Rather than getting into a contest with YnB about who can say I am nuts, how about trying to understand me?

[Birds of Prey]

Has anyone talked about Neil / noddy / oversoul / beast lately?

Yes. They are all town. I gave a huge readwall on everyone that has clear coherent reasons.

[Birds of Prey]

Btw o take back the scum poisoner idea because scum has flipped poison doctor.

I am waiting for the fullclaims of BC and SG.

Yeah you have ProHawk in your latest vig pool despite scum having a flipped shard theif.

[Birds of Prey]

YB, why do you tunnel so insanely hard? It's like you have two modes: do nothing and tunnel like a motherfucker.

Also we're not here to judge Titus' play. The important thing is that her town motivation is evident through her posts, and I don't think she should be lynched for it.

Those are the same thing for her bc I am town. If I am listened to, scum have 1 or two mislynches max.

[Birds of Prey]

Titus's awesome wall of win

Town no one should ever vote for

ProHawk - Claim CCs flipped scum before flip. The setup would naturally have a role like his in it. Early voted scum.
Oversoul - Scum chainsawing his slot Day 1. Town as it can get.
Beastcharizard - Rhaego stops bussing to vote Beast. It makes zero sense to stop bussing the buddy with the larger wagon to vote a buddy with a smaller wagon.
Zmuffin - Both confirmed scum voting him Day 2 early with no incentive to bus.

Probable town

Lord Mhok - Again voting patterns here.
SG - Double Voter claim, voted scum early. When she voted NC, two confirmed scum came on after her.
notscience/TSO - Early vote on YnB. Hasn't supported many wagons on town. This is the weakest though as ns lurking is consistent with scum ns.
Neil1113 - Neighborhood.
Penguin Alien - Neighbirhood.
The Goat - Liked his early vote on YnB. Has not gotten in the way of scum wagons. He hasn't helped them either. Hasn't claimed N4 investigation. Weak lean town. He's the second weakest.
Egg - Caught Aronis scum. Has a problem with voting town without investigative help. I am paranoid both Egg and Aronis were scum. I wouldn't disagree with people townreading Egg fully though.

SK suspect

Shos - He flip flops on town v scum on a daily basis. Within each day he's consistent. Today, he is playing scum apologist despite the same people he's defending wanting him dead for so long without reasons. That makes zero sense unless he plans to kill them at night. He said Kagami slipped but no vote earlier. Now he's denying an obvious scumclaim from Kagami and trying to put lipstick on YnB's pig claim.

Scum suspect pool

ActionDan - Lurktastic. Said his claim implied multiball (misdirection). No memorable pushes.
Kagami - Killing the SK practically wins us the game. No honey. It puts us with 4likely scum in an 18 player pool. Bad OMGUS/SK on me.
Majiffy - Voteparked on shos. If his puppetry has an investigation, he should claim it already or start working with people.
Young and Beautiful - Hasn't done anything but misfirect, tunnel town and make an obvious bus vote. Fake claim is fake.
BBMolla - Vouched for bad claim. Argued for no lynch on Leminiscate after bad bus trajectory. Never pushed xoelf as scum despite votepark.

[Birds of Prey]

Those are valid points.

However, could you please draw the link between your 3 points -> YnB is scum? You have yet to show this despite your well-written analysis and case.

If the conclusions of your case are: "You are X, Y, and Z, but you are not scum," then there is no need for all the tension; in fact you have just lured a pack of hungry scum for a mislynch on poor YnB. Aren't my kisses enough?

- b -

The first point-
This is a tell that I have used without fail in three other games. Two of which you know of. I trust it. It works.
The second point- only solidifying under pressure, as Mhork is saying, is scummy. Once the pressure starts to alleviate you go back to fluff-posting, which, seeing as it is the third point, isn't something town players do. Having 91 posts of near nothing is bad. And this bad means scummy bad.

I concede defeat. Our play hasn't exactly been stellar, and your case is very valid and sound. I know that it leads to the wrong answer, thus there is definitely a flaw in there that results in a contradiction, but I am unable to find it using logical reasoning as you have provided.

It's like a complicated math problem; the working and methodology is seemingly correct, but for some reason you arrive at the wrong answer. It may take a good eye to spot the possible (careless) mistake, but I can't.

I'm

Jinenji, Town Demon Friendly Neighbor

. Some flavor about being a gentle giant being afraid of humans or something. And I help Kagome collect herbs or something.

I am a Demon. I can visit a player every night, and they will receive a message confirming me as Town the next day.

This explains my "uselessness" et al. We were trying to have fun, and also our plan was to coast using our ability, since it would give us a whole lot of breathing room. Unfortunately, we got run up today, and might be a potential nightkill target now. Didn't expect that.


Oh and sorry Y if I'm claiming prematurely. We're L-4 and a ton of scum is on our wagon.

- b -

Oh, and I neglected to post this at the start of the day.

I'm a 3-shot Friendly Neighbor. I had wanted to announce this after I had a successful Neighbor confirmation, but I forgot to do so.

My Role PM explicitly says that my shots will be used up regardless if my action was successful or not. I would not be notified if my action was unsuccessful, anyway.

Although it would be pretty obvious the next day.

I've been using all three shots ASAP for the past 3 nights, so although I've only had one successful confirmation, which sucks, third time's the charm, I guess?

- b -

Now look at these two posts.

What are the odds that two heads of a hydra

Both

forget to claim limited shot FN when claiming?
What are the odds that an FN misses the first two nights?
What are the odds of Y n B knowing she was blocked Day 1 despite site meta of not usually getting feedback on roleblocked Day 1?
What are the odds that Y n B picked the dead guy Day 2?
What are the odds of the host explicitly saying in the role pm shots are used when you fail, despite that not being site meta?


What are the odds that BBMolla confirms her to take advantage of being widely townread scum?
What are the odds that a scum vote triggered her claim and the two confirmed scum are the only scum on the wagon and she panicked realizing the wagon would look really bad for scum?
What are the odds of YnB still being caught in a useless OMGUS tunnel if scum knowing my town meta is to find scum and tunnel?

YnB, do you know the difference between validity and sound claims?

[Birds of Prey]

YnB, if you plan on "stomping" me and being a bully, stop talking and do it. Be the bully you threaten.

However you should actually answer my question. Do you know the difference between valid arguments and sound arguments?

[Birds of Prey]

Lol. Nope. A sound argument is a valid atg where the premises are true.

[Birds of Prey]

Whoops!

Well, if you want to lecture me about argument validity and theory, do it out of game. If you're doing it here, you have scum agenda. Thanks~

Nope. That just meand I watch your posts closely. When you claimed, you stated the arguments against you were valid and sound.

That leaves either a) you are scum or b) you have no idea what you are actually saying. Take your pick

Be back later.

[Birds of Prey]

Wrong zmuffin.

A sound argument requires a valid argument.

[Birds of Prey]

You have valid and sound backwards zmuffin.

[Birds of Prey]

*shrug* whatever

don't care, changes nothing i said

This is actually a pretty important fact to get right. I will explain in my next post.

VOTE: BBMolla

@Jiffy, if you want shos dead, either take me up on my offer or do some god damn pushing.

[Birds of Prey]

[quote="In post 184 Young and Beautiful]

I concede defeat. Our play hasn't exactly been stellar, and your case is

very valid and sound.

I know that it leads to the wrong answer, thus there is definitely a flaw in there that results in a contradiction, but I am unable to find it using logical reasoning as you have provided.

It's like a complicated math problem; the working and methodology is seemingly correct, but for some reason you arrive at the wrong answer. It may take a good eye to spot the possible (careless) mistake, but I can't.

I'm

Jinenji, Town Demon Friendly Neighbor

. Some flavor about being a gentle giant being afraid of humans or something. And I help Kagome collect herbs or something.

I am a Demon. I can visit a player every night, and they will receive a message confirming me as Town the next day.

This explains my "uselessness" et al. We were trying to have fun, and also our plan was to coast using our ability, since it would give us a whole lot of breathing room. Unfortunately, we got run up today, and might be a potential nightkill target now. Didn't expect that.


Oh and sorry Y if I'm claiming prematurely. We're L-4 and a ton of scum is on our wagon.

- b -[/quote]

Look at the bolded part. YnB admitted that the lurkiness causing us to suspect her was valid AND sound. If she was town, the criticism on her would be valid but not sound.

YnB for claiming friendly neighbor has done none of the investigation or work of someone who expects to die.

That's because the arguments against YnB are valid and sound.

[Birds of Prey]

Cephir, Neil is voting Molla on the same wagon. You have two Molla wagons.

ProHawk, I am leaning against daychat. To give you an idea of daychat balance, 2 scum for 9 town is balanced. We don't have as much PR balance. Thow in a likely nk immune sk (best way to explain missing kills), I sm not seeing it.

Let us suppose daychat exists though. Why would a daychatting scumteam tell their buddy to votepark so heavily? Without trying to replace him?

Don't think so.

[Birds of Prey]

Zmuffin, stop voting town.
Egg, you too.

Beast, it looks like Molla is today's lynch as the other wagons are on town (but for shos who people are not voting).

Notty, I am asking you to trust me.

PA, I would like to open a dialouge with you.

[Birds of Prey]

If she was town, the criticism on her would be valid but not sound.

that's literally like saying 'if she was town it was good but not great but it's both good and great so she must be scum'. that is the most moronic reason I have ever seen anyone say. especailly after 7250 posts.

YnB for claiming friendly neighbor has done none of the investigation or work of someone who expects to die.

That's because the arguments against YnB are valid and sound.

or..because she didn't expect to die.?

why have I stopped ignoring you?

Why would "conftown" not expect to die with an sk and a scumteam?

Also you don't understand validity versus soundness of an argument.

A valid argument is and argument that if all the premises are true, the conclusion must be true.
A sound argument is a conclusion that is valid and its premises are shown to be true.

For instance if YnB is scum, so is Molla. This is an argument we know must be valid.
However, there is debate over YnB actually being scum. So we wouldn't agree on the argument being sound.

YnB stating arguments on her being sound are scumclaim or a total misunderstanding of the proper usage of the words valid and sound.

[Birds of Prey]

why isn't BOP dead yet

Because your team didn't kill me when you had several chances to do so and I am now obvtown to most of the town. Now if only I can stop them from voting each other.

[Birds of Prey]

I haven't shot him yet

Yo! SK shoot Majiffy first. He's clearable or confirmable. If you shoot me, you cannot argue I am the sk.

[Birds of Prey]

@shos, name a single wagon BBMolla has pushed; other than me.. Sure BBMolla stayed vote parked on xoelf. Did he push her? Nope. At the end of Day 1, when his argument changed to no lynch he has the same frazzled tone.

[Birds of Prey]

He has the same frazzled tone he has now.

[Birds of Prey]

...

BOP: You help me collect herbs or something?

I am not understanding this.

[Birds of Prey]

I'm going to come out with my role...because there's really no point for me not to at this point. I'm either being interfered with, or there's a mechanic working that I'm not understanding.

I'm Kagome, town human jewel cop. I can investigate someone each night and see if they have a jewel shard.

Upon reflection, it's the most frustrating role I've ever had, because revealing my results doesn't much help the town.

Actually your role is really op. If we ever get notified of the scumteam getting their cool power for getting all the shards, you just out who has a shard and we lynch them.

[Birds of Prey]

Both BBMolla and YnB have strong arguments for being scum. We have two options with two possible results.

Lynch YNBscum. Lynch YnB town. Lynch Mollascum. Lynch Molla town.

Lynching YnB and she flips scum tells us BB must be scum.
Lynching YnB town tells us nothing definitive of BB's alignment.
Lynching BBscum makes it very likely YnB is scum but does not confirm.
Lynching BBtown necessarily means YnB town and forces the game to a better direction if I am wrong.

Since YnB cannot be scum without Mollascum, lynching Molla is the right play.

[Birds of Prey]

I'll consider it.

meanwhile, I confirmed it, and for four nights, not a single undead or demon targetted me. that's just.. wierd.
if that means I wasn't roleblocked - or at least not by a nonhuman - then where was the RB? why didn't he target YnB? possibly X-shot?

sigh

it's almost 3:30 am, I better go to bed. I hate not sleeping on workweeks.

I am briefly going to assume you are town vig for this discussion only. Who did you vig on the night you were "blocked"?

[Birds of Prey]

however much I'd like to keep ignoring, I am bored and don't wnana study >_>
so @7265 - you're laughable. the way I learnt english, saying that an argument is valid does not mean it is correct, rather, it means that it cannot be disputed immediately. for example, "BoP is scum" is a valid argument. "all band of seven are scum, and mhork is band of seven and is town" is invalid, because it contradicts itself. "sound" means, the way I know the word, something like "well defined".
even if I am entirely wrong and you are entirely right dictionarily wise, that is

by far

the worst reason to vote someone.
@7266: will you let the town say that? it's like you keep saying 'you love me you love me you love me' and you never let the 'you' say that he does/doesn't. stop calling yourself obvtown, Mr. leading wagon.
@7267: I don't think anyone argued that you're the SK.
@7268: dunno. but I also cannot name a wagon I pushed(maaayybe abom), or notsci, or NC, or xof, or abom, etc. why do you always go to D1? there have been more days to look at, you know.

I am not sure who taught you valid and sound but you need a refresher. I have already explained those in debate terms.

@7266 The town already has said I am town and should not be lynched. So what am I waiting on again?

Spoiler: Town quotes

In post 6800 goat said he would not be apart of my lynch. The quote broke.

YB, why do you tunnel so insanely hard? It's like you have two modes: do nothing and tunnel like a motherfucker.

Also we're not here to judge Titus' play. The important thing is that her town motivation is evident through her posts, and I don't think she should be lynched for it.

Detachment is a trait of scum Pere. He loses focus of details on aspects of the game he is discussing. I think these last three quotes show Pere's detachment from the game. I feel like the claim [BoP] is town though. ~Oversoul

BoP is putting in a heck ton of effort if they are scum, which I am not convinced of.

BBM's response to the pressure is pretty bad.

This is false beyond false. I can name you ten players that put in a heck ton of effort as scum. I can name you tenfold more town that don't put in effort as town.

I don't think BBM made any response at all. Then again, there isn't any 'pressure' to begin with; I didn't bother reading BoP's 'wall of win' read list at all.

BoP is putting in a heck ton of effort if they are scum, which I am not convinced of.

BBM's response to the pressure is pretty bad.

This is false beyond false. I can name you ten players that put in a heck ton of effort as scum. I can name you tenfold more town that don't put in effort as town.

I don't think BBM made any response at all. Then again, there isn't any 'pressure' to begin with; I didn't bother reading BoP's 'wall of win' read list at all.

I'm not saying they are town because of effort, I am saying I like the analysis Titus has gone through the effort to gather info and make reads out of. If they are scum, they have put a lot of work into. This is nothing like scum Titus I had experienced.

SquirrelGirl liked the VCA I did.

I would murder titus for being titus if I thought there was a point in doing so

I don't really think she's scum though

I wouldn't object to her being vig killed just because I realise she's a distraction but I'm meh on the lynching thing

Notscience hasn't posted a read on us in awhile but has townread us hard on D1.

Ah damnitt... actually I don't want BoP dead. I remember Titus, and this is not Titus' scum game.

Just... terrible.... play. :'(

Why couldn't you draw scum BoP???

Kagami argued I was the SK.

Day 1 is the day scum are least likely to bus.

[Birds of Prey]

PA, please put forth a Kagami case then. Kagami is a good vote to me.

[Birds of Prey]

Lololilolol

BoP - I shot scum abomination
And read the dictionary definituons, you are just plain wrong. 'Valid' is literally one of the definitions of 'sound'.

You have like 40 there. Sound is a valid argument with true premises. If they meant the same thing...no one would say them together. No one says I picked up the big and huge car.

[Birds of Prey]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument

Read.

[Birds of Prey]

k I want OS and BoP both dead by tomorrow
gnight

^ I do too actually.

Not happening as I am obviously town and Oversoul is too unless scum kill us both.

Yet that's really too big a risk.

[Birds of Prey]

And I want you to vote and vig scum while displaying logical consistency. Not gunna get it.

Seriously, I have a pool of several people and your so called vig pool is pretty much the conftowns plus Majiffy.

[Birds of Prey]

Last I checked we have precisely one conftown and he is the one you want dead

Last I checked, there were two circlejerking scum and I want them dead. There is no confirmation outside of their circlejerk. YnB moved the goalposts. If scum have a blocker, why haven't we heard anything about the blocker?

This isn't YnB's towngame. You said/implied it yourself, YnB isn't playing like she's about to die. Where is the desire to get reads? The desire to talk to everyone? Why wouldn't a "conftown" want to do those things? Why doesn't a conftown fear death?

Look at http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Y and B's ISO in the other game we played. There's dialogue on every player, even though she's confident she caught one of the scums. There's reachouts and dialogue stunts to determine reads.

This game 90% of YnB's posts can be summed up in one sentence.

"YnB shall OMGUS the hydra who had valid and sound reasons for having me claim and doesn't believe my fakeclaim"

[Birds of Prey]

Dodge.

When is this day over?

Voting Molla scum gets you closer to that objective

[Birds of Prey]

I'm gonna catch up later today but probably won't have much to say. I've been skimming and it seems like it's mostly shos assuming massclaim is a good idea and Birds trying to get us to lynch

town

obvious scum.

Fixed it for you.

[Birds of Prey]

^^^BC, I want the rest od your claimzors

I think this is to me. I am Sango.

So you are ONLY poisonproof? What is the name of the ability?

Scumhunt please. The game is not breakable by flavor.

You and I both know you as the SK are playing to a scum wincon today as there are too many town for you to cut through otherwise.

[Birds of Prey]

^^^BC, I want the rest od your claimzors

I think this is to me. I am Sango.

So you are ONLY poisonproof? What is the name of the ability?

Scumhunt please. The game is not breakable by flavor.

You and I both know you as the SK are playing to a scum wincon today as there are too many town for you to cut through otherwise.

They shouldn't be. Town numbers drop easier than scum numbers do.

Not after I flip town and town follows my wall of win.

Oversoul isn't scum. You lynch him, I am proven right.

No matter what action is taken today, I will be proven right. Scum are trying to discredit me. It won't work.

The big issue with YnB is that I am sticking onto a lynch after being told YnB and BB are town. Why is no one noticing these 4 voting me are voteparked.

@YnB, go ahead and try it. I didn't just claim it was different. I explained. My bullheaded stubborness is still there btw. My late game read on BP was right. That game was even too small to do my preferred VCA.

[Birds of Prey]

The position here is ideal for scum and the SK. Mislynch one of me/Oversoul, come back for the other.

Drown out the wall of win.

Mislynch obvious town while pretending to be townfirmed.

[Birds of Prey]

Pretty sure SK gonna kill one of bbm/ynb soon enough

Great, maybe we can actually lynch scum together then?

[Birds of Prey]

Dodge.

When is this day over?

Voting Molla scum gets you closer to that objective

Your argument makes no sense. You say YnB is scum ergo lynch Molla. Why not go directly for YnB first, and then lynch Molla when YnB flips scum?

BB has to be scum if YnB flips scum. Since they are both scum, it shouldn't matter which we flip first if I am right.

In the rare event I am wrong and BB flips town, we have a conftown. ActionDan can heal her, unless he's scum. Egg tracks ActionDan or watches YnB. We generate many very high likely towns out of one mistake plus YnB doesn't die.

[Birds of Prey]

She doesn't care who gets lynched as long as she mislynches someone before she dies. You should know better than that, you've played with Titus countless of times; one of the more experienced ones in the game.

Again that is obvious bullshit to anyone reading this thread. My scumteam cannot have 8 people. I have objected to votes on Oversoul, ProHawk and Lord Mhork. I am objecting to any vite on my conftown list.

Lie more.