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[borkjerfkin]

#6001 explains exactly why.

Toog says his redirect only works on someone that performed a killing action that night. He said he was informed it worked.

If Feu bus-drove or redirected, he did NOT perform a killing action.

[borkjerfkin]

Yes.

[borkjerfkin]

That's what I'm saying, yeah.

[borkjerfkin]

I mean 6002 is checking w/ Desp to make sure that he wouldn't process Toog's redirect in a weird way

But I would never even think to resolve a redirect like that

[borkjerfkin]

Well the bus-driver theory explains the ETL visit.

[borkjerfkin]

@Rogue: I think we have confirmed scum in Toog/Snowstorm and that may be more important than worrying about Venmar today.

p-edit: really.

[borkjerfkin]

Confirmed scum in a group of 1

Let's not be hyperbolic.

It was scummy.

He's not confirmed scum.

[borkjerfkin]

What about traitors?

*shrug* occam's razor again

[borkjerfkin]

3 Town

,

1 Red

,

1 Blue

3 Town

,

1 Red

,

1 Blue

4 Town

,

1 Red

4 Town

,

1 Blue

(X-ternals)

This was my hypothesis earlier. I'm in the 1 blue only hood.
If I'm right, there's (Red) scum in Venmar/Snowstorm.
Otherwise Red have two in the same hood.

[borkjerfkin]

Well I'm the only one left in my hood

And guess who isn't scum

[borkjerfkin]

Unless it's

1 blue 4 town

1 blue 4 town

1 blue 1 red 3 town

2 red 3 town

That's asymmetric, and inherently harder to balance

But yeah possible.

[borkjerfkin]

Right, because that makes sense from my PoV.

*shrug* that's the reality of it.

[borkjerfkin]

Yes, I think it's 14v3v3.

[borkjerfkin]

Player E sees Player B visiting Player D.

Thanks. This is what I would have thought.

So the possibility that Feu performed a kill by itself last night and Toog redirected being internally consistent with Snowstorm's report is out.

[borkjerfkin]

Implying that Feu was the last of his team

Or that he did what I said he did.

Probably 2 + a recruitable traitor vs. 3 (but weaker than the 2) vs. town

*looks at the Metal Sonic full blown ninja flip*

Jailkept Snow.

1. Why?
2. Where did the other NK go? Why are you not going after Snowstorm?

[borkjerfkin]

What scumteam in a million years was killing a beloved princess claim

[borkjerfkin]

Everyone is doing some wicked suboptimal shit up in here

[borkjerfkin]

I'd forgotten that I've actually played with BBMolla before, in Mhork's Zelda game

(I'm Kagura, he's Molladoni)

and they were obvtown as fuck there

[borkjerfkin]

Also ignore all my red/blue no two in the same hood spec, I fucked that up:

The distribution of scum in each neighborhood was randomized.

[borkjerfkin]

Dude

Seriously

I could not be more town

I am in awe that anyone is doing anything but hard townreading me

I mean yes I'm alive, but christ

[borkjerfkin]

Like look at LITERALLY ANY SCUMGAME I'VE EVER PLAYED

my scum game is fucking crap

[borkjerfkin]

lol

I'm scumreading you for that sole reason

I thought that was your little dipshit paranoia 'oh that's cute thing'

are you actually serious?

[borkjerfkin]

Wow did I not expect you to dodge me there

I might need a reset.

[borkjerfkin]

It was nothing like my play this game and you know it.

Go back and check. I'll wait. Like even AP didn't think it was.

I also refuse to believe that Mala would even let you entertain this kind of thing.

But if you're feeling serious niggles about me (and I can't really tell if you are from that post) why the fuck are you not engaging me at all since calling me supertown early game as is your MO.

Instead you've gone along with pretty much everything I've come up with.

[borkjerfkin]

Sure was.

[borkjerfkin]

ok

too lazy

lol

dunno!

:shrug:

[borkjerfkin]

In Tales? Yeah.

What does this have to do with either my actual meta from that game or anything about this game exactly? If you're not gonna actually meta what I posted there, why are you interested in taking this really awkward tangent?

Because you're really really skirting the issue here.

Is this just a paranoia read or are you actually scumreading me and if so why the fuck

[borkjerfkin]

I'm not terribly fond of your responses here but if you're scum then a ton of other shit is fucked for me (e.g. not both of Toog and Molla can be scum).

Putting all that aside, what do you actually make of the Toog/Molla/SnowStorm/Venmar thing?

[borkjerfkin]

6072 from Venmar is marginally town

You're not giving me much to work with.
That's 4 people you don't mind lynching.
Are you hard towning anyone?

[borkjerfkin]

Occam's Razor states that Feu was the last Blue member and

that that team is wiped out.

Snow is probably town (for

Jiffy interactions

)
Venmar is probably town (for early game and

Jiffy interactions

)

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[borkjerfkin]

Yeah man you're getting dunked

VOTE: Toogeloo

[borkjerfkin]

You can't think someone is not the last member of a team due to negative interactions with a person on that team and simultaneously not think that team exists anymore

ergo you are full of it

[borkjerfkin]

I don't believe certain members are associated to Majiffy due to relationship tells from early game.

Which suddenly

should

become null to you if you are trying to posit that there are no more blue scum.

You're basically saying from those Majiffy interactions is "I don't think these guys are blue scum with Majiffy" (because red scum and town would be forming indistinguishable associative tells) and also "I don't think anyone is blue scum with Majiffy because they're all dead now"

Your reads are fabricated.

[borkjerfkin]

So take that as a fence sit, or whatever

I'm gonna take it as a scum slip if it's all the same.

[borkjerfkin]

Cloud 9 opened the evening with a vote for bork to be the nightkill. I came in shortly after voting for Snowstorm to be the kill

because I was under the impression any vig we had was planning to shoot him. Rogue came in after that and voted Speaker for the Dead to be the night kill. We stayed deadlocked at 1v1v1 for most the night, then PV came in, voted for Snow but said the vig would be stupid to shoot him. Cloud 9 then changed their vote to Snowstorm. Rubik never popped into the hood at all. We had maybe a dozen total posts through out the night phase, including the mods.

Night 1, I tried redirecting bork to Nero. I was getting vig vibes from bork, and

I didn't want him to shoot Snow, so I redirected him to Nero

because I thought Nero was scum. Action didn't go through.

or as I like to say, "How can I basically ensure we don't get the NK objective?"

whereas the town thing to do (while ostensibly performing that [silly] redirect):

Say something to the effect of "hey Snow looks decently town, maybe the vig will agree, let's go for an NK predict tonight instead."
Or say LITERALLY NOTHING since the vote was already on me.
Instead you moved it TO SNOWSTORM while making it less likely that he'd get shot.

Seriously can we get rid of this guy?

[borkjerfkin]

I don't know about Venmar. The wagon speed here is giving me a lot of pause.

Toog's a better lynch. The cog-dis required to say that his

strongest townreads

result from negative connections to a member of a team that

he thinks has no living members (and therefore no scum to generate positive connections with Majiffy)

is extremely blatant.

(This would be a lousy point even if there were blue alive - even he thinks there are two red.)

6105 is a backpedaly mess.

Also the game is probably 3 red 3 blue. MS isn't flipping Ninja as a member of the 'weaker' scum team when we have a flipped town tracker that was pretty much designed to catch blue making kills, not red making kills. Where does Red start to become weaker?

Venmar hop on.

Also BBMolla is being obtuse as hell about the setup / night actions / toog vs snow and it looks fucking terrible.

[borkjerfkin]

It's only been a negative force because people keep not listening to me.

I mean luckily we got ika and skot on the wagon yesterday, but we'd have been in an infinitely better position by getting Rogue and BBMolla on too and that's really the only reason I'm kinda squinting at you because I don't feel that the Feu wagon was in danger of falling apart and I am confused by why you just didn't wait it out.

Like it or hate it, the objectives are there to be achieved, and the setup was designed around having those abilities available. I haven't advocated finagling the lynch target to achieve them since D1 (and honestly even I realize that was a bad idea at this point), but I

have

been trying to organize the wagons especially when I feel we had a surefire scum lynch as we had with Feu yesterday, as I feel that this doesn't at all detract from scumhunting. My motivations here are really transparent and really pro-town and it's frustrating for me for people to be on totally different pages than me about it.

Regardless I don't want to lynch you today.

[borkjerfkin]

the most obvtown player alive, in fact

[borkjerfkin]

Anyway

I get what you're saying about Venmar. It's impossible to overlook what he did yesterday and he was actually really opposed to the Feu lynch early in the day until I explained what was going on (5760) so I am unsure why he's trying to take credit for being an influence on that lynch.

I just feel way more confident about Toog right now:

1) Feu flipped something that could viably contain a redirect/bus drive
2) Claim is bad, use cases for it are almost non-sensical from a town POV (like pointing it at a vig-read is so incredibly suboptimal that I am kinda floored)
3) His recent cog-dis on his reads by towning people because they're not a member of a team he thinks has no remaining members anyway
4) Anyone who believes in a 3 man blue team has to think one of Toog/Snowstorm is scum
5) Day 1 objective screwup thing followed by listing 2/3 scumreads that were in hoods already on the voting table, ergo no town motivation to do it

I mean there's a lot of shit here

[borkjerfkin]

6) Allegedly used his power to point the kill away from the hood prediction

[borkjerfkin]

Tbh, I think what makes most sense is Snow's track claim is real, Toog is fake claiming on the same scum team as Vol that he redirected him because it's only the two of them left. This would explain why Vol made the kill when knowledge was out there that I jailkept him.

Or Vol is scum, AND Snow is lying

*shrug*

Also here's BBMolla hypothesizing Toog scum yesterday in the same manner as me

And today suddenly he's not even considering it

[borkjerfkin]

If I'm not mistaken, that vote prevented our hood from completing objective 5.

Nah, Feu voted you a few pages earlier.

[borkjerfkin]

Where did I mention snowstorm at all in that post?

[borkjerfkin]

considering you used the term 'fake claiming', I'm gonna say after

[borkjerfkin]

Tbh, I think what makes most sense is Snow's track claim is real,

Toog is fake claiming on the same scum team as Vol that he redirected him because it's only the two of them left.

This would explain why Vol made the kill when knowledge was out there that I jailkept him.

Or Vol is scum, AND Snow is lying

*shrug*

[borkjerfkin]

Dude why are you being lazy and saying things that are objectively verifiable to be false?

You obviously made that comment after all the claims had come in considering as to how you reference both Toog and Snow's claim in that post

Then you come in today and go a completely different direction, positing a two man blue team even though you know in your heart of hearts that doesn't make sense because ???

[borkjerfkin]

I feel like you're making no attempt to figure out the game

[borkjerfkin]

Reads are:

T
C9 (somehow turned into the best read I have in that hood by PoE)
ika (good gut vibes, generally doesn't care about going against the grain, ETL was really confident that the VT claim was some kind of reliable crumb)
Snowstorm? (flashes of paranoia but not many; could be scum if toog isn't)
Rogue?? (don't like ns' paranoia on me because it looks kinda posture-y, but other than that they've been town looking if not terribly useful. NS was strong out of the gate as he is when town. Wish Mala would engage more - that might be the worst thing I'm seeing from them. If one of the people in my scumreads from your hood flips town I might have to move them down)

(more question marks = more unsure. )

N
SKOT (who the fuck knows; don't want to lynch unless I PoE everyone else alive)
Venmar (explained)

S
You (I hate your angle on what happened with Feu re: 2 blue, your night action target was bad, general lack of usefulness)
Toog (well explained)

That's about where I am (I realize there are prolly 3 scum left). I don't feel

super

good about anyone, mainly because no one's really playing ball with me (except snowstorm, but even that's intermittent and I'm a tiny tiny bit paranoid that his scumreads align with mine right after I post mine)

[borkjerfkin]

What I really need to do is establish a town core and there are 5 people in the game that really need to start helping me out with that

[borkjerfkin]

WAIT

Feu fucking self hammered

No fucking chance he is last scum

Lynch toog

Pedit: lol

[borkjerfkin]

Keep playing dumb man.

[borkjerfkin]

wasn't in the forefront of my mind in disproving toogs theory considering I already didnt believe it

[borkjerfkin]

Unless you have a pants on head stupid theory about Fue being bus driver with Toog.

But you're not that dumb

Yes a one shot redir/bus driv in a scum joat role is clearly too far fetched to be true

[borkjerfkin]

well feu was soft ccing AP all game so it synergizes with that.

But I think you've been around enough to know an esoteric claim is not synonymous with a legitmate one

[borkjerfkin]

I thought your previous argument was that I had to be red scum because I knew no other blues remained or some shit.

gogo obtuse-o-tron 9000!

[borkjerfkin]

We'll leave toog alive today, yeah.

Objectively there has to be 1 scum in ika/skot/me

Who did molla hit last night?

And it would seem I had a read wrong in C9/Rogue (I like rogues opening today)

[borkjerfkin]

Gonna attempt some ika meta. I doubt Ill get anywhere with skot but I will try that too.

[borkjerfkin]

If you think I'm scum c9 vote me. The only thing is I reserve the right to hammer myself.

I already stated I was going to get a hammer and I got it.

What is your obsession with hammering this game

[borkjerfkin]

SKOT's town, Sal.

Why is skot town to you?

[borkjerfkin]

Spoiler: bork's gonna yell at me for doing this again

Fizzling out is a scumtell for me

I'm trying to figure out how to get back my interest in this game.

Meant to comment on this yesterday:

What are you trying to accomplish with pointing out your own scum meta? We both know I've seen you pull both 1) deliberately eliciting paranoia on yourself (a la Frozen) and 2) fading/lack of efforting (a la 346) as town.

Why do you continue to not only do it, but point out that you're doing it? I can't responsibly call it anything but null.

[borkjerfkin]

DO NOT.

DO NOT VOTE US.

WE JUST NEED ONE MORE FOR THE KILLSTOP.

ANYONE VOTING ANY OF {US/C8/TOOG} IS A SCUM CLAIM ATM

~R

Actually I see a problem with this plan.

[borkjerfkin]

In fact, yes, I have a better plan.

We're getting you the hammer sandwich objective and we're lynching Toogeloo.

[borkjerfkin]

Actually that's not ideal either but it's probably better than the current plan you've got going.

Anyway, the issue is that there are 2 scum and 1 town in that hood alive right now and that's not good.

[borkjerfkin]

Actually I changed my mind - we'll do it your way.

That means we absolutely need to pick right between ika/skot today.

[borkjerfkin]

I'm not going to pay any more service to your desire to hammer. It's anti town and it's not helping. Please stop.

I think you're more likely town than SKOT, but your desire to hammer could actually fuck this up for us here.

If you're town, then to you there should be confirmed scum between me/SKOT.

(reasoning for this is, Snowstorm hood is confirmed 1 scum only. My hood and ika's hood cannot be both 1 scum hoods because that would make the last hood 3 scum, which is against the rules.)

Vote where you think scum is.

[borkjerfkin]

The reason is that I don't want to give scum time to pull the ol' 'vote all the hoods and self-hammer shit' a la Feu and I can't always tell when you're gonna be around.

If you're going to hammer then you're coordinating it with me and we're doing it when we're both around.

[borkjerfkin]

If I can be convinced Rogue is town I might just take you up on that.

[borkjerfkin]

@Desp: how do you resolve a tie between one person voting for using an ability and the other person voting not to?

[borkjerfkin]

I have no interest in 1v1s.

Bork, how would, well, any of my actions make sense from a scum pov. Moreover, a multiball scum pow.

Not going to lie. I mean, like, I've personally commited every tell under the book this game.

Well

2 of (Toog/you/Rogue) are scum. Toog is, and I'm trying to figure out which of you two are.

[borkjerfkin]

There is going to be a reckoning if people actually try and lynch me.

The issue with Toogeloo right now is the track result, which is annoying because I'm at the point in the game where I really, really want to believe he is town. That is part of why I just kinda went with Rogue today, because I'm not sure I want to lynch Toogeloo today with other options(ika) on the table. And I'm stuck in this phase where I can't push ns's slot without adding fifty pages to the game, so I'm not.

The issue with SKOT is he's kinda useless as both alignments and I'm just trying to gamble which useless he is and Murphy's Law is telling me he is town useless.

If you believe that SKOT's town and you only have 1 scum in your hood then you have to believe that both ika and I are scum.

And I've seen no evidence that you're even going down that road.

[borkjerfkin]

Since I have to explain shit 50 times instead of people reading:

There is one scum in Snowstorm's hood (confirmed)
There is one in mine (confirmed to me)

There cannot be three in any hood

Guess where the other four are

[borkjerfkin]

This game contains four pre-determined,

majority-town

neighborhoods that will act as "teams" within the context of the town as a whole.

nope nope nope

[borkjerfkin]

And toog is fucking obvscum at this point and arguing otherwise is just kinda

I just don't know which team he's on

[borkjerfkin]

Man that Venmar lynch might've fucked us irrecoverably. We'll see.

[borkjerfkin]

The issue I have with Toog is his play has been screaming town hard, but the stupid claim and track result.

Except for the part where it hasn't been and he's scum and I am entertaining no arguments of Toog town so talk away about it but I'm not listening

[borkjerfkin]

Don't care.

Why's ika scum (or skot town) - there's guaranteed (to me) scum in there and I wanna know how you got to where you did.

p-edit: me too I really wish I knew which scumteam he was on

[borkjerfkin]

Anyway I don't know how to reliably ensure the kill-stop gets used even if you guys do get it.

[borkjerfkin]

Didn't he claim tracker or something at some point too?

He did not

p-edit: How so? Scum could just vote no on it

[borkjerfkin]

What 'easy objective point'

Lynching scum sooner vs. later is always better (especially here) and deciding Rogue is town and not going right for Toog is ???

[borkjerfkin]

If we lynch anything but Red today Blue is probably totally fucked regardless of what happens.

p-edit: and you're just willing to stake the game on skot being town? just like that?

[borkjerfkin]

If Ika flips town we're fucking boned.

We'd be at 3-2-1 even if the killstop does happen (and that's far from guaranteed)

lynching blue puts us at 3-2 going into night which is instant red win
lynching red puts us at 3-1-1 going onto night which is some bullshit kingmaker thing that we have a super outside shot at but in all likelihood town loses parity the following day

[borkjerfkin]

I want to lynch Toog and worry about killstop tomorrow.

[borkjerfkin]

I'm gonna need some help from some people to get that to happen though

I need Snowstorm and Rogue and ika to check in.

p-edit: I'm not staking the game on Blue deciding to throw the game toward town instead of toward red (or that red doesn't have a roleblocker/protective. These one kill nights aren't accidents)

[borkjerfkin]

I was thinking about your sensor and is there anyway you can use it for some marginal value?

[borkjerfkin]

Highly doubt he blocked one the night before last.

[borkjerfkin]

Entertain for a moment that it's 2v2vTown.

Nothing seems to suggest the contrary other than omgwtfbalance!?

The Track result shows that Feu used two actions, which means he was the last Blue. Why would Red have more members than Blue?

[borkjerfkin]

just fucking vote me

patience

[borkjerfkin]

Toog if you're blue I'm willing to treat you like a leashed SK

[borkjerfkin]

I'm here.

[borkjerfkin]

I'm rockin my son to sleep lemme get done with that

[borkjerfkin]

K i think we're good.

Anyway I want a Toog lynch. You can get the kill stop tomorrow when you have to deal w/ ika vs skot.

[borkjerfkin]

Otherwise I can't guarantee that we just don't straight up lose today for picking wrong

[borkjerfkin]

bork/skot is scum, idt both are

'mason buddy' indeed.

[borkjerfkin]

No.

[borkjerfkin]

At this point it's more sheeping ap/mollie's scumread if nothing else

Here's something else:

How about LITERALLY EVERYTHING I'VE DONE IN MY ISO is fucking hilariously town? Even the AP thing considering what I thought I knew about Feu.

AP didn't have a damn clue what my trajectory on him was at the time and Mollie was townreading me (muffin may or may not have been overall; he was being dodgy about it)

But fuck it, if you paranoia lynch me after all the fucking effort I've put in to coming back from the colossal fuckup I made D2 then that'll just be how it fucking goes.

[borkjerfkin]

I don't even know what that means

[borkjerfkin]

Did desp ever answer my question?

[borkjerfkin]

@Desp: how do you resolve a tie between one person voting for using an ability and the other person voting not to?

[borkjerfkin]

Anyway desp's answer is going to determine how I want the rest of this day to play out

[borkjerfkin]

Yes but two people in a hood becomes a he-said she-said situation and I know there are 2 scum in that hood.

[borkjerfkin]

Just to repeat: I was wrong about my balanced color predictions earlier: the number of scum is guaranteed (0-2) per hood. The color is random.

[borkjerfkin]

ika, rogue

I'd like to talk to you both when you're around

[borkjerfkin]

ns:

I have a plan.

I need you to work through the paranoia you have on me if it's going to work. Fine toothed comb my ISO if you have to. Engage with me. Talk to mala. Do whatever you have to, but you really need to get back into this.

If you don't think you're ever going to be able to do this, please let me know now and I'll think of something else.

[borkjerfkin]

How's your Rogue vs. C9 read?

[borkjerfkin]

Dude are you gonna respond to my reach out at all?

[borkjerfkin]

Just an acknowledgement that that's what you're doing would've been cool. But ok.

[borkjerfkin]

He did acknowledge it you overlooked it

~R

He didn't respond to my post when I specifically asked for a response.

Anyway that reach out applies just as much to you as to him. There's one town in you/Toog/C9

And I'm pretty sure it's you. But you're making yourselves difficult to work with right now.

[borkjerfkin]

@Snowstorm: We need to resolve the one town in Toog/Rogue/C9 (and I obv don't think it's Toog) but we're gonna have to fucking sort the other two as soon as possible.

I've played with ns quite extensively and overall this

does

seem like his town game. Usually he's aloof/scared/uninterested in posting when he's scum, and I just didn't see that out of the gate here. He's one of the few players on the site I generally feel comfortable using meta on.

He fades late game a lot (as he has definitely done here). But I've seen him do it as both alignments but his demeanor is different when pressured. He also made a good point himself that I think he'd have had trouble doing as scum: he's second in post count only to me (and maybe Titus lol I don't feel like checking). He's definitely posted more (considerably more) than Mala and I just don't see him able to hang with high volume guys like me, Titus, and Majiffy as scum.

His refusal to play ball with me at the point in the game where he is allegedly getting cold feet on me is the one thing I'm frowning on from that slot. His reads weren't very good early - I don't consider that a scumtell. Mine weren't great either.

Anyway this turned into an endorsement for 'I think Rogue is the town in that hood' because after rereading them many, many times since BBMolla flipped town that's where my head is.

[borkjerfkin]

No we aren't, but please point where we are making it difficult..

1) Not posting much (I mean I get your reasons but he says he has to talk to you and you aren't around much and I don't know what to do except wait more)
2) Paranoia reading me for ??? (which I'm trying to deal with via the reach outs. I don't know what else to do. I need to be able to work with my townreads)

((Also seriously don't get fired this game is not that important. I would rather lose every single game on site I play for the rest of my mafia career than have that happen to you))

[borkjerfkin]

No we aren't, but please point where we are making it difficult..

And this isn't a matter of objective fact - it's how I feel. Communication is a two way street.

This is probably aimed more at him than you, but as it is I feel that you both should have figured out I'm town by now and I'm wondering when (and sometimes if) it's gonna happen.

[borkjerfkin]

I have a plan but it's kind of all-in and requires Rogue and I to be the mason buddies we've always wanted to be

Which is why I want to finish ironing that out

[borkjerfkin]

It's basically you me and ika blitz the fuck out of c9 right now with you hammering and I hope to fucking god I'm right about you. If you're town and you believe I'm town, both c9 and toog 100% have to be scum (and exactly one of ika/skot is also scum)

It's possibly better than a toog lynch today (who i know is scum) for a few reasons, but it's a road we have to go down eventually.

[borkjerfkin]

Toog lynch is the conservative fallback.

[borkjerfkin]

bork

how close are you to objs?

[borkjerfkin]

but yes you basically just telegraphed what I'm trying to do

[borkjerfkin]

ika

[borkjerfkin]

no he cannot. it has to be ika.

[borkjerfkin]

fuck he's gone isn't he

[borkjerfkin]

VOTE: c9

[borkjerfkin]

please be fucking town

[borkjerfkin]

please

[borkjerfkin]

tlaking to rogue

[borkjerfkin]

this is supposed to be the part where you reassure me

[borkjerfkin]

i just read your iso in that newbie crossroads game that ended (it's one of the things that gave the stones to go through with this) and you look nothing like you look here so that's encouraging

[borkjerfkin]

no

mala was in a game called crossroads it was a newbie game

[borkjerfkin]

penguin modded it

[borkjerfkin]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=58334

[borkjerfkin]

anyway I'm gonna go do something to burn my adrenaline down

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I'm just gonna post this whenever I singlehandedly piss the fucking game away from now on

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Also hey blue guy claim

you're town now

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also fuck meta

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or at least my ability to use it in any effective way

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I'm a fucking moron

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Gonna guess blue's been chain roleblocked by red since like night goddamn 3 or whatever

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i want hamemr

fuck off

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anyway blue claim in your next post or it's not my fucking fault if we lynch you and red endgames us

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my thingymagig is irrelevant atm because it doesn't tell me what color scum people are

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and everyone left in killstop hood is scum so that's worthless too

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so you're officially not claiming blue?

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that's a pretty red response

i'm gonna wait for toog and skot to show up in case they've got anything they want to tell us though

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Bork, we already know you're red trying to mislynch a town and then nightkill the blue.

I'm trying to think if you'd post this if you were blue and legit didn't know what I was.

I'm not sure you would. I think this is you trying to close the game out.

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you have literally no interactions with ulf

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nor he with you

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VOTE: rogue

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Good luck.

You're gonna need it.

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there is no such thing

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Tammy couldn't out-town me this fucking game

But you may have a buddy and that works to my detriment

We're probably not going to win, but fuck it, I'm going down fighting.

p-edit: hey if you're blue it's irrelevant anyway because red can quickhammer either of us, so....?

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neighborhoods do, i'm willing to bet they do too

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<-- green mofo

(and I have no idea how daytalk would have anything to do with town vs blue right now considering blue has no one to talk to)

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cool man

if rogue is blue we're in serious fucking trouble because there are two reds who can quickhammer me

if they're not we've got a tiny lifeline. I think they're red.

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Also I put to you:

there is a reason there hasn't been a second NK in ages: Red knows exactly who the last blue is and has been chain roleblocking them forever.

As red I would have no reason to ask who blue is.

As town I do: lynching them is as good as lynching town right now.

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Blue wants red dead ever since Feu died. They have absolutely zero reason to no kill.

You want to believe they collided every night? I don't know what to tell you.

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Yeah there is one in ika and skot.

gun to my head its skot but there is no fucking way I am outting that read on the line todat

and no, I don't need the sensor to know that 3 scum left means that there is one in skot/ika and both in your hood

That is literally the only possibility

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Putting*
Today*

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Just before everyone starts yelling at me

You can't possibly be more pissed at me than I am at me

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I'm not mad, just disappointed, bork.

We could of had it all.

I am this too

One fucking faulty assumption that I was basing everything on

I don't even want to read the dead qt

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I learned a lot of things this game.

1) Should've outed Feu and listened to ETL about AP but I was a moron
2) Should've lynched Toog because he was a scumbutt but I was a moron and setup spec
3) Shouldn't have even considered policy lynching at any point but I was a moron
4) marquis

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i dont even think anyone is angry at you (apart from maybe noddy i dunno)

Eh, honestly I wouldn't blame AP if he was

but yes this is mostly me angry at me

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My only question, bork, is

1. Why didn't you reveal feu et Vol's CC day two.
2. What was up with my lynch. I just don't get why you chose Rogue over me if you wanted to do that? Even if we assumed one of me and Rogue were scum, Toog was still scum and one of ika and slot were scum and would have made sure you delayed putting me off til the literal end of the game.

1) I was sold beyond belief on the vig crumb/AP not really crumbing the M&C shot/ika just happening to have a result on him.
2) I knew I was going to have to make that choice eventually (except I wouldn't have but I am bad) and I wanted to grab the killstop and make sure that ika/skot weren't on the wagon so I could sensor it
3) I overthought a bunch of shit that I shouldn't have

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although i am interested in what you thought feu visiting etl and venmar was about and how that factored into your setup spec

Thought there was a redir/bus drive on the JOAT

If JOAT had flipped with abilities we might have won this game.

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Ok I lied, I did read the dead QT and this is the best summation of my play I've ever seen:

The sad thing is I wouldn't be surprised if town didn't lynch MS today.

I also think Bork is extremely frustrating. He goes from posts of greatness to head smashing inducing posts and I wish he'd pick one and stick with it.

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More like shmobjectives

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Blue team was way weaker than red imo

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Molla I have no idea how I was supposed to read you this game

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I was the only one who caught Toog as scum

I swear no on reads my posts

I mentioned you to someone as reason for toog scum

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That...actually mightve given me pause

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I think I was fairly obvious as town...

You were

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By the last night she was alive i was utterly convinced etl was town. Was trying to see what eek would do

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Earlier on though I was back and forth on the whole hood

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bork I want to hydra with you.
I also want to give you a hug because dammit you deserve a hug.
I thought bork was pretty obvtown, especially after he correct MME's misconception about the lynch objectives. idk if paranoia would have set in if I was actually playing though.
Seriously bork you're the man.

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this wouldn't have been such a fucking mess.

I just really don't appreciate this at all cabd. I put a lot of effort into this game when I first started. I was townhunting, and successfully with the exception of my toog read. To say that "this is such a fucking mess" because

ETL wasn't scumhunting

is really uncalled for.

I was really happy to have you in there (even when I was going paranoid on you)

eek too

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bork I actually did enjoy playing with you and I hope you will not hold this against me in any future encounters

of course I won't

It just threw me for a loop

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It is a credit to your play that I couldn't get the wagon off Venmar onto you

because if I had this would've been a very different game

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bork, you went along with me so much that I actually thought you were scum so I was trying to keep you alive.

*shrug*

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Sorry I baited you like that bork

In my own defense, my read on you was right
but my setup spec was wrong (there was no combo of 3v3 that worked with you as town after C9 flipped town)

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bork, i know you were very frustrated and I feel like at one point you were thinking about taking a break. Please don't. It was a blast to play with you.

I probably shouldn't play larges, honestly. They either monopolize my time or I get frustrated and out of sync

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would've been the perfect bah post