I mean, that's exactly my point. I don't make things personal or let them carry over games. I mean, I really like Titus and despite our strong disagreements in this game, I hold no grudge over her, if anything I hold it over myself, and I hope that goes the same for her. You directly insulted me, and now you're crying about it because I lashed out at you for doing so. Grow some balls and don't take things so personally like a 16 year old girl.
If you are going to purposefully attack me post-game, then you are incredibly childish.
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In post 5997, Venmar wrote:Meh, I don't get personally offended, it's a shame Nat did. Truth hurts.
Also, what track from Snowstorm? Only one I know if the Feu track.
That's the one - he tracked Feu to ETL AND You.
Desp confirmed scum can't kill and use a second action in the same night unless he is the last scum. I don't think he is (otherwise you have a team of two in here and that's kinda weird given the setup)
So Feu very likely did not actually perform a killing action.
Toog's role only works on people performing a killing action.
This is a problem.
Feu had a Bus Driver or Redirector JOAT shot. Since ETL died, I think it's more likely that he bussed me with ETL, so that they could circumvent all protections on ETL to me, and shoot me to kill ETL.
If you think I'm red scum, and Feu redirected me to kill ETL, then that's your theory and I can't disprove it, but it's not true.
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Post #6010 (isolation #204) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:24 am
Postby Venmar »
So Toog redirected Feu to ETL, and since he succeeded, he transferred Feu's kill into ETL. This means that Feu had to be targeting a single player with a kill, but his kill got switched to ETL by Toog.
But SnowStorm claims he got a tracker result from Peregrine, that says Feu instead targeted me AND ETL, which alone implies he wasn't making a kill. UNLESS, Feu used a vig JOAT shot, AND his NK at the same time. I don't even think that's possible though or balanced.
Therefore, you think either Toog lied, or SnowStorm faked his result?
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Post #6017 (isolation #207) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:34 am
Postby Venmar »
Then again, SnowStorm claiming the tracker result AFTER Toog claiming seems stupid to do as scum, since Toogs claim alone would have been enough to lynch Feu, and faking his own result would do nothing but complicate things for him?
His vote on our hood today is to try to salvage the last scumteam's chances since he knows that they're already in a pickle and if we get a killstop it's going to make their lives even harder. Same with not letting my hood have the hammer.
Or I was voting BBMolla, my largest scumread?
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In post 6034, Venmar wrote:The 3v3vTown setup has nothing to do with the Bus Driver theory though, at least not in my world.
It does. The bus driver theory can only be true if he had another living partner. And it's the only theory that points to 3v3vtown, otherwise, most evidence seems to point at 2-man scum teams.
And the fact that most multiball games over 20 players are at least 3v3vTown?
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Post #6046 (isolation #218) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:51 am
Postby Venmar »
Yeah, so how about we now make an educated conclusion about the conflicting results between Toog and SnowStorm, rather than get on the blind Venmar hate train?
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Post #6052 (isolation #220) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:02 am
Postby Venmar »
No, I meant people are using my obvious Venmar-ish mistakes as reasons to set me up. Despite the fact you (Rogue) have had mostly a townread on me all game. I didn't vote Molla as a way to vote the strongest hood, I don't even know who's in Mollas hood, and I voted him cause he was my highest scumread last day, which carried over to today. People obviously realize by now that I have little respect for the objective system, and shouldn't be surprised when I accidentally overlook it.
I mean, I confirmed that MS was scum by pointing out S4TD commuted N1 and therefore faked his claim. And I (accidentally by ignoring objectives) got Feu to hammer himself, resulting in a scumflip. I have helped directly lynch two scums from two different teams.
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Post #6053 (isolation #221) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:04 am
Postby Venmar »
In post 6051, SnowStorm wrote:Wouldn't 2v2vTown + traitors + wacky roles balance out the lack of a third scum?
No, that is a terrible, terrible balancing technique if that's the case. Stop being obtuse and trying to justify 2v2vTown, it doesn't make any fucking sense.
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Post #6116 (isolation #227) » Mon Aug 18, 2014 5:08 pm
Postby Venmar »
Bork is just saying that you can't townread me and Snowstorm for our interactions with Majiffy, when you think Majiffy's team is wiped out. Those two pretty much mean the same thing. You're essentially just saying we're not blue scum, which doesn't exclude us from being red scum.
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In post 6095, Venmar wrote:Toog, why do you think SnowStorm is town when his tracker claim pretty much contradicts your redirection between Feu and ETL?
Because at this point I am inclined to believe that Feu was the last Blue Scum, and their team was only two people, in which case, there is nothing wrong with Snow's track results since I don't redirect every action, just the kill.
But Feu was a JOAT? It's completely possible he had a Bus Driver or Redirector action that night. That doesn't make sense from your POV, I understand, but it's an equally likely possiblity from everyone else's POV, simply because a 20 player game is way more likely to have a 3v3vTown team, rather than a 2v2vTown game with a bunch of traitors, which in itself is quite a flawed game balance and mechanic wise. Why push the super unlikely idea that the setup is 2v2vTown or 2v3vTown, rather than defend your night action against the contradicting tracker claim from SnowStorm?
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Post #6123 (isolation #231) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 3:56 am
Postby Venmar »
Like, how can anyone vote me, from my PoV everyone else is stupidly scummy and I am an obvious, obvious mislynch. You guys are lynching me for lynching scum, something that might have ruined a single objective. Big fucking deal, jesus. I swear, the objective system has only been a negative force so far, nobody has fulfilled them yet they possess our actions. It's dumb.
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Post #6125 (isolation #232) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:05 am
Postby Venmar »
Bork - Bork is actually most likely town, i'm just a paranoid fuck.
Toogeloo - His result on Feu is conflicting with SnowStorms tracker result. Might be lying scum.
SnowStorm - His tracker result is conflicting with Toogeloos redirection on Feu. Might be lying scum.
BBMolla - Is scum, for his scummy play, actions, shitty night actions, and the fact he was scumread by people that have conveniently died after doing so. Combine that with gut, his uncharacteristic play here, and his OMGUS.
Rogue - Might be town, but ended up opportunisticaly backstabbing me immediately today, so I don't care.
Cloud 9 - Idiot that has a personal vendetta on me.
Ika - Probably town, but has been crusading against me for half of the game now.
SKOT - I don't know, is voting me and has done jack shit all game. There is no basis that I can call this dude town on.
Everyone is either Town that is fucking me over, or someone I think is scummy. This is why I don't trust anyone.
If you guys do lynch me and realize i'll flip Magneto, VT, then collect your shit and lynch between BBMolla - Toog - SnowStorm tomorrow. Assuming town hasn't lost..
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Post #6129 (isolation #234) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 4:33 am
Postby Venmar »
I'm not oblivious >.>, i've shown suspicion of you for a while now and the only reason it has persisted is because your claim clashes with Toogs over Feu. It's not because of any other reason like you seem to think.
But if you feel that way, then vote me?
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Post #6176 (isolation #242) » Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:49 am
Postby Venmar »
Oh that'd be against my wincon as town, and yours too if we're both town. I'd rather not make that promise even though you know I am a player that would do it.
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Post #6558 (isolation #245) » Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:28 am
Postby Venmar »
I'm just chapped that the setup was 3v2, idk why. Town didn't actually play that bad upon a second though, I mean bork did a pretty good fucking job of being super obvtown (despite my paranoia), and several town players were very competent, it's just that they all got killed early on. Given the circumstances, I still think that the objectives, while they could have definitely been benefitial for town, they just seemed to end up being an obstacle and anti-town in this scenario of play. Town just didn't know how to handle itself given the chaos, Toog just took advantage of it, so props to him.
Still a good game, gg.
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Post #6574 (isolation #247) » Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:44 am
Postby Venmar »
In post 6573, AngryPidgeon wrote:It really is sad that you got lynched. You were right behind muffin, Nero and I on D2 talking about how ULF was the scummzorz. ULf flips scum. BETTER LYNCH VENMAR.
Yup. I quickly caught on to what you and Nero were talking about and dogged after ULF. I was even the one who pointed out Muffin commuted N1 and therefore ULF couldn't have gotten his results. Then I essentially force Feu to quickhammer himself, and people are like "Venmar, you blocked a single objective despite getting 2 scum lynched... FUCK YOU, YOU ARE GETTING LYNCHED!"
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Post #6575 (isolation #248) » Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:46 am
Postby Venmar »
Sad thing is, I was the only one who caught Toog as scum. If I didn't get bullshit lynched, chances are Toog would not have coasted it and gotten lynched in his 1v1.
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Post #6579 (isolation #249) » Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:49 am
Postby Venmar »
Me and Bork were the only competent town players left after the Feu lynch :/. It is the truth, at least I had the brains to know Ika and Rogue were town too.
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