Jack of All Trades Mafia -- OVER!

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I am here. I need to read the thread, but I approve of the mathcam lynch, and I find it curious that he's trying to use a role to defend himself given that he started attacking BJ for doing the exact same thing.

(As a side note, I noticed early in the thread that BMQ/Pooky were pondering the alphabet stuff meaning something. Maybe I'm being silly to even consider this, but a J-A-C-K mafia might be possible and fits with mathcam/bluemonick scum).

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I should put my vote someplace useful.

unvote Fuldu, vote mathcam

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Even if you missed this line (not that there have been *that* many new lines as of late), then I find it surprising that you would even assume I was making this argument, when there are no posts to support it. I'm having a hard enough time defending myself against the stupid things that I *do* do, so I don't have much chance if we also chuck in things that I *don't* do.

Cam

You mean, other than the fact that you've said "Don't lynch me, I'm a useful power role!"

Given what Fuldu said, would you being willing to lynch armlx? The behavior Fuldu pointed out doesn't make sense as a protown role swapper, but it does make sense as an antitown role swapper, and I could fairly reasonably see there being both a pro and anti town roleswapper in the game.

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I can neither confirm nor deny my blockage on night 1, since I didn't have a blockable role that night (I could converse with my fellow chatbuddies, but presumably this is not blockable).

Cam

I can confirm that Jack Johnson's office currently only has masonish stuff in it. I think ibby mentioned this earlier. Obviously this doesn't rule out mathcam having separate killing powers.

Could you answer my question about armlx?

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Looking over some stuff, some thoughts about things

I wonder if bluemonick/his office was the office destroyer. That would explain the lack of office destruction after the first night.

Looking over lordy's early comments about spamwise, it sure does seem that lordy was coppish, specifically with a guilty investigation on spamwise. That's theoretically more evidence against mathcam.

I also don't like how mathcam started by pushing the "we should consider bluemoncik's dying words" idea, especially given bluemonick's comments in 489 "I got answers. Line them up.", which just screams that bluemonick realized that it was time to mess with our heads.

Also, there's the whole spamwise/viper interaction from most of day 1 that everybody's seemed to have forgotten.

So in other words, still happy with my vote.

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Bump. Why isn't mathcam dead?

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I don't know, but for some reason armlx was willing to trust mathcam with the office-switcher role - so that means that armlx thought mathcam was pro-town, right?

This argument only works if we have reason to think that armlx is protown/if we trust his scumdar. You'll notice I don't really think you/armlx is likely protown either.

Moreover the argument could be applied the other way; protown mathcam should believe that armlx is protown (no reason for antitown armlx to give that office up), and mathcam has already showed his willingness to vote armlx today.

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@Fuldu-My other stuff against mathcam, from last page

Looking over lordy's early comments about spamwise, it sure does seem that lordy was coppish, specifically with a guilty investigation on spamwise. That's theoretically more evidence against mathcam.

I also don't like how mathcam started by pushing the "we should consider bluemoncik's dying words" idea, especially given bluemonick's comments in 489 "I got answers. Line them up.", which just screams that bluemonick realized that it was time to mess with our heads.

Also, there's the whole spamwise/viper interaction from most of day 1 that everybody's seemed to have forgotten.

So in other words, still happy with my vote.

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Coron, look at the dates/days of the weeks.

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vote Uraj

, mainly for suggesting multiple office movers at a time when he shouldn't have had any reason to guess it.

FOS pablito

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Bah, I'm misreading your 789 (you simply suggested that the office mover moved himself out of his office, not that there were two office movers).

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 354#445354

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Feh. Coron is doing his typical little Coron dance, where he acts all Corony. I don't think he's scum.

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unvote, vote Fuldu

to force him to post. I've seen him in this forum, and this is the only game he can be looking at.

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No, I see it too; Fuldu basically admitted that he was trying to get you to out yourself yesterday (under the false impression that you were a cop).

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If you really felt Coron had outed himself, why didn't you just ask him? (And there's precedent for you doing this; see Kingmaker and Fritzler. Granted that's a different game with different issues, but still.)

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I don't think so. There's probably some stuff involving viper you sort of should read, and you should see why some people were suspicious of spamwise (who became mathcam).

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Bizarre. Pretty sure that Fulduscum implies Coron is not mafia.

SV, who did you block last night?

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Pretty sure Coron isn't the play; roleblocks prove he isn't an SK (two kills the night you blocked him), and Fuldu's play suggests Coron isn't scum.

(More likely, our missing kill last night disappeared to either a doc protect or maybe SK/scum giving up a kill to do the rearrnage office thing. The former strikes me as more likely than the latter.)

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Pablito could read the front post and also pablito/armlx had your office before?

(I can confirm that SV as town has caught scum by withholding known info before (although I'm probably thinking of a different mini than you are)).

It occurs to me that I missed a big possibility for a lack of kill last night; Fuldu's office could have been a vig office (which would make his lynch a double victory). Possibly tonight would clear that information up.

Uraj-do you have any thoughts on the Fuldu/SV/STD wagons of yesterday? I just read over them, and noticed you weren't around for the most part.

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That's the one I was thinking of.

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Not really a fan of Uraj's defense here; his original vote for SV was specifically a metagame vote and not an attempt to find scum (and moreover, that vote seems to have been made hastily without actually looking over SV's posts.) His vote on pablito feels like a really prettied up OMGUS vote.

That said, I dislike that we've been focusing on what's happened today, and not looking over previous people's posts.

@Pablito, I would really like to hear what bluemonick's old office did.

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@pablito-what does bluemonick's office do?

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Curious. I thought it likely that bluemonick's office was related to the office blowing up earlier.

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I wanted to see how you would respond.

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Wait a second, you're not voting anyone, Thok.

And your point is? I do like the current line of looking closely at Uraj, but I'd like to take a look at MOS (given his Cesspit obsession) and I'd like to hear stuff from Quagmire/Pooky also.

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I think we'd be better off not letting the mafia know who's moving.

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Hey, MOS, tell us what you thought of the Fuldu wagon yesterday.

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I've been neglecting this game (along with like 7 other games I'm in.)

Uraj, could you explain your two posts where you've unvote and then voted mathcam (where you were trying to figure out if something weird was going on)?

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You office claimed that Bennett=townie yesterday.

Another night of only one kill suggests Fuldu was a scum in a vig office. With that in mind, I find it hard to believe SV or STD scum would support a Fuldu wagon.

I'm leaning towards a Quagmire wagon at the moment. Feel free to give us your thoughts on everybody in the game, OK?

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We've had only one death the last two nights; combined with the mass office swap, I find it unlikely the missing deaths come from doc protects or roleblocks. Fuldu being a scum with a vig office is the most elegant explanation for why we've gone from two deaths a night to one death a night.

(The alternative could be a complicated series of role events working together to stop deaths, but I find it unlikely.)

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Prod mysterymeatofdoom

please.

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yoooooo do we have any plans?

if not, can I propose one?

I'm leaning towards going after Quagmire, but feel free to say your plan.

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I'm not so much avoiding this game as procrastinating on having to do a 200 post analysis of MOS.

(Honestly, I have taken a look over him, and he feels townish, just based on his participation rate and the types of posts I see from him, but I need to take another look over the thread to get a feel for everything.)

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vote Quagmire

, I know he's around, and I want to hear him say something.

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Oh wait, a quick check of his posts says he's gone until Sunday. Sigh.

unvote Quagmire, IGMEOY Quagmire

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Give your analysis of anybody. Post your thoughts on anybody. Give good reasons we shouldn't lynch you right here and now.

Specifically, you've been asked to give a full analysis of me. (Which I guess is an analysis of ibaesha+me).

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If you look at the bottom of the page, there is a series of three buttons that says "Display posts from previous: All Posts by All users Oldest First", right under the Quick Reply. To see Pooky's posts, change the "All Users" to "PookyTheMagicalBear" (click the button and go down the drag down menu), and then hit Go.

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Seriously, Quagmire, the major argument against you is that you've been completely useless, and that there's nothing good to say about you.

HP's votes have been Pooky (day 1 random), Mlaker (known town, and timed when it makes sense as a counterwagon to the day 1 viper wagon), Colonel Kurtz (known town), BJ (known town), MBL (known town).

Your votes since you replaced in have been for MOS. The only votes you've explained was for attacking pablito, (when MOS had a prefectly reasonable criticism; at the time it was quite possible pablito has bussed Fuldu), and an OMGUS vote right now.

Neither of you have posted much; we have no idea what you thought of the Uraj wagon or what your role thought of the mathcam or Fuldu wagons, for example. We have no idea what you think of any player in the game, except for possibly MOS.

The main point is that there's absolutely nothing good to say about you. Given that there are plenty of members of town that have exhibitied actual protown behavior (IMHO, I'd be surprised if any of SV, STD, or MMOD was scum, for example) I have no problems going after somebody who's it seems like is trying to hide in the shadows and avoid attention.

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I'm tired of waiting for Quagmire to say something. THOK SMASH!!

vote Quagmire

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Geez Quagmire, you can't be this stupid, can you? Do you really think just saying "MOS is scum" is helpful at all? Do you really think ignoring the comments I've made about you is helpful? Do you want to be lynched?

At very least I'd like you to reveal your night choices from your offices.

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I'd like to see your investigations to see why you are concluding you are paranoid.

I'd like to see you make some sort of suggestion of who you think is likely to be protown/scum.

(For that matter, I'd like to see similar contributions from the other players in the game.)

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Quagmire, any specific reason you believed you are paranoid and not insane?

Pooky, what did you do last night?

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I investigated Thok and got a guilty.

I did this because Thok was the most likely person IMO to be town.

This strikes me as an incredibly horrible reason to investigate me this late in the game. If you are town, I'm pretty sure we don't have time for you to check your sanity before you start doing useful investigations (and by your explanation, an investigation on me basically has to be a check on your sanity).

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if i investigate someone im not sure of, I wouldn't know if Quag was lying about the sanity or not.

If I get an innocent on you, then I have a scum to lynch: Quag. Getting another guilty result off somebody else would be pointless for me because I wouldn't know if its because the cop is paranoid.

If Quagmire is lying about his role, then the most likely lie is that he's claiming to be paranoid when he's really insane. (That's the least likely situation for him to avoid getting caught, IMHO.) So again, I don't see why investigating me was a good idea.

That said

unvote Quagmire

, since I feel his claimed investigations make HP's play much more understandable.

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Ok, Pooky gave the explanation that I figured it was.

Why do you belive Pooky to be protown? How many scum do you think are left?

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Also, could we have mass prods on well, everybody? (Specifically, STD, Coron, and MMOD?)

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My mind says to vote Quagmire, my heart tells me to look elsewhere. I'll tell you which one wins sometime before the deadline.

For what it's worth, my heart says Quagmire, and my mind says look elsewhere.

I think it's relevant that Pooky has yet to place his vote. I'm not sure how that's relevant, though.

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Thok (replacing ibaesha) -- Hmmm...

?

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I think close to everybody needs to go. I mean I haven't even done you yet. I think you, STD, and Pooky are the only people to go.

As for my earlier question-I can't see what benefit there is for you as town to suggest that there is a protown reason for what Pooky did, especially since I had already commented about that reason (I had said that using me as a sanity check this late in the game is dumb, unless you felt it important to defend Pooky. Given that Pooky falls into my collection of people that I have little to no read on, this makes me wonder why you would be confident enough in Pooky to do that.

Notice this isn't the first time this has come up; you defended Pooky earlier in the game also (from MBL, for example).

@Pooky-I would have strongly prefered you let STD react to my comment without you making a massive accusation on him.

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I think close to everybody needs to go. I mean I haven't even done you yet. I think you, STD, and Pooky are the only people to go.

As for my earlier question-I can't see what benefit there is for you as town to suggest that there is a protown reason for what Pooky did, especially since I had already commented about that reason (I had said that using me as a sanity check this late in the game is dumb, unless you felt it important to defend Pooky. Given that Pooky falls into my collection of people that I have little to no read on, this makes me wonder why you would be confident enough in Pooky to do that.

Notice this isn't the first time this has come up; you defended Pooky earlier in the game also (from MBL, for example).

@Pooky-I would have strongly prefered you let STD react to my comment without you making a massive accusation on him.

I didn't say his reasoning was necessarily protown, but it was what I would expect as a genuine answer. Whether he's scum or not, his role is separate, and if his answer didn't feel genuine to me, then that would be a point in favor of him being scum.

OK, replace protown in my arguement with "genuine"; my question still stands.

I'm not really asking whether or not Pooky's argument is valid/genuine/tangerine; I'm wondering why you would suggest that there could be a valid/genuine/tangerine argument in support of Pooky's decision. I'm trying to decide if you are scum who is either kissing up to Pookytown or defending Pookyscum.

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I'm not understanding you, Thok. Whether or not Pooky was right in the decision he made, that doesn't make it any less genuine. If I had been in Pooky's place, that's what I would've done, and that's the reason I would've done it. Therefore, if he gave the same reasoning, I can believe that he was genuine in that explanation. I don't see how you think this has any bearing on alignment, however. Both scum and town can tell the truth when it comes to their roles.

I'M NOT USING THIS DISCUSSION AS A WAY TO ASSESS POOKY!!!!

I'M USING IT AS A WAY TO ASSESS YOU!

I want to know why you are letting Pooky know that there is some sort of "right answer" to my question.

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Um, there are 7 people alive.

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That list has 8 people in, including Pooky. The number is correct.

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Um STD, could you explain what you meant by that hmmm?

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Quagmire, tell us your thoughts on every person in the game, and how likely or not likely you think they are to be scum.

Is nobody worried about the possibility that we have three scum left? It's not unreasonable in a game of this size.

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OK, did some rereading.

@Quagmire-a lot of my thoughts on why you are scum is just process of elimination. There's a fairly strong argument for Coron being town (Fuldu tried to get him lynched and Coron made the critical fourth vote that got him lynched over SV). There's a strong argument for SV being protown (SV was one of the counterwagons to Fuldu, and had a reasonably useful vote on him, plus various office power stuff she's done.) There's a decent argument for MMOD being protown (otherwise his "WTF did we use lose" post makes absolutely no sense as a first reaction, and I don't think he'd make such a post up.) There's obviously good reasons to thing I'm protown.

All of the bandwagons in this game have had a fairly high percentage of protown players on them, IMHO. That's worth noting and suggests we have lurker scum.

If I had to guess a 3 person scum group remaining, it would be MOS, Quagmire, STD, and no other group really comes close.

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Um, see the bluemonick lynch and the Fuldu lynch.

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What do you think about the Quagmire bandwagon Coron?

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So, Quagmire's been at lynch -1 for several days. I'd like to know what people think about this. (I'm actually severely tempted to hammer Quagmire, but I figure getting more info could be useful.)

Mod

please prod Quagmire, Coron, and Mystery Meat of Doom. If necessary, please replace MMOD.

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Quag-other than MOS, who do you think is likely to be scum.

How many scum are left in the game?

Why did scum kill Pooky last night?

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I would prefer to wait a day to discuss offices. But that's just me. Unless somebody has multiple cop investigations, I don't think it's particularly helpful.

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Hello. Office powers and alignment are completely independent.

Could you answer the other questions I made in my post?

Why aren't you more concerned about the upcoming deadline? What do you think about MMOD? Why did you reveal your former office role unprovoked?

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@Yaw-is ThAdmiral even around/has he picked up his role PM yet? His post in the signup thread was several months ago (and was at a time when he posted in about 20 replacement threads at once.)

@SV-from what I remember about offices, I'm not sure of how much benefit you will get out of switching offices (I don't think there's any super special awesome offices remaining that will win the game for town; people won't get the benefit of them for at least another night). I mean, feel free to switch offices, but don't expect it to be that helpful.

my thoughts on mos have already been posted: i don't think that he took a certain position on anything until today started, in which it was basically confirmed that i was going to be the main target of the town's lynch. this is really the only time that he attacked or voted for me with any confidence. these "positions" of his seem consistent throughout the game.

MOS has taken strong positions on things in this game (particularly his attacks on TheCesspit/CES and his attacks on pablito-he may have been wrong about those, but he certainly took strong positions). In addition, he was one of the people attacking you yesterday.

Yes, he didn't start looking at you until yesterday, but that's partially because you/Harry Potter have massively lurked throughout the game; you/Harry Potter have basically gotten away with being ignored most of the game.

spectrumvoid has lurked the great majority of the time that we've been playing, and lately seems to continue flaunting his "office switcher" role as if it's already confirmed and that he's innocent. it feels like he's trying to

prove

his innocence to everybody by saying, "look, guys, i'll switch roles again. do you want me to? is this okay? c'mon, just say the word" without any need to do so.

You're a fine one to accuse people of lurking. Morover, SV's lurking is a more recent phenomenon (earlier in the game she was posting a lot.)

It is confirmed that SV has an office switcher role. I feel like you are massively stretching to get that she's flaunting the fact of her power.

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Yaw

please prod Coron.

As I'm posting elsewhere, I will be unlikely to post much Friday through Sunday.

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You've only "not lurked" because you've come under massive amounts of attack for lurking. The only way I've gotten any info out of you is by repeatedly asking you qustions and forcing you to post. My ttack/MOS's attack were what stopped you from lurking.

Moreover, you've now made additional scum tells; I've pointed out how I think your arguments about MOS and SV are flawed, and you've ignored them.

Do you really think "I'm protown, I guarantee it!" is any sort of defense?

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You've only "not lurked" because you've come under massive amounts of attack for lurking. The only way I've gotten any info out of you is by repeatedly asking you qustions and forcing you to post. My ttack/MOS's attack were what stopped you from lurking.

Moreover, you've now made additional scum tells; I've pointed out how I think your arguments about MOS and SV are flawed, and you've ignored them.

how is that a scumtell at all? i haven't read the game previous to the point i replaced in, so when you're telling me pretty much factual information about parts of the game that i don't know about, i feel pretty compelled to believe what you say. i'm just basing my scum feelings off of what i've played through so far.

You replaced into the game in December. You've had months to read over the game. I'm not going to take "I haven't read the game at all" as an excuse, especially when it takes maybe ten minutes to check your comments on indivuidual people. Especially since the most common thing people have asked you to do since yesterday is, to know, read the game.

And selectively choosing to defend against arguments is scummy; it allows you to pick and choose which arguments are part of the discussion, and make it appear you are defending yourself, when you are not.

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You've only "not lurked" because you've come under massive amounts of attack for lurking. The only way I've gotten any info out of you is by repeatedly asking you qustions and forcing you to post. My ttack/MOS's attack were what stopped you from lurking.

Moreover, you've now made additional scum tells; I've pointed out how I think your arguments about MOS and SV are flawed, and you've ignored them.

how is that a scumtell at all? i haven't read the game previous to the point i replaced in, so when you're telling me pretty much factual information about parts of the game that i don't know about, i feel pretty compelled to believe what you say. i'm just basing my scum feelings off of what i've played through so far.

You replaced into the game in December. You've had months to read over the game. I'm not going to take "I haven't read the game at all" as an excuse, especially when it takes maybe ten minutes to check your comments on indivuidual people. Especially since the most common thing people have asked you to do since yesterday is, to know, read the game.

you underestimate the power of total laziness. of course i wasn't going to read the game in the first place -- that's way too long for me to give a damn about.

and "especially when it takes maybe ten minutes to check your commends on individual people" -- what does that mean?

So, you've replaced into a game, and delibarately chose not to read it, or care about it? You're willing to just trust me on statements and not check them out yourself? (Note, this is a scumtell, because if you are town, you should be at least a little wary of me). You don't feel it's important to at least say, oops "I'm wrong, oh well?" (Another scum tell, ignoring an argument hoping it will go away.) You don't feel it necessary to refine your reasons for going after SV or MOS when they've been partially been shown to be wrong?

And there's an asymmetry; given that well, everybody has been lurking, why only focus on SV's lurking? Why haven't you discussed STD at all (among others)?

As for your statements about MOS and SV, you don't need to read the entire thread to check them; you can just select "Find all posts by blah" and skim those posts (given that you are looking for things like "Not taking a strong stand" or "Been lurking").

And selectively choosing to defend against arguments is scummy; it allows you to pick and choose which arguments are part of the discussion, and make it appear you are defending yourself, when you are not.

what arguments have i not been paying attention to? because all i see is "process of elimination".

I mentioned how your comments about SV and MOS were horrid in 1860; you've originally ignored my comments about them, except to say "Well I guess you're right Thok". And then you've continued to vote for MOS anyways.

I'll add this; you seem to be more concerned with defense then actually saying anything useful in this game.

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None.

I have also decided not to shift any offices tonight.

Why are you announcing this in public to the thread?

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SV: I'd rather you have put someone in my old office days ago. It really doesn't matter now, since we're running out of nights. The fact that you've ignored my request thus far has given me no reason to believe otherwise that you have any intention of doing what I suggested a while ago. I'll admit you don't really have a reason to do so, but still.

When did you request to have somebody put in your office?

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Also, to ThAdmiral and Coron, hold off on voting Quagmire for a while.

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Any reason for that?

Just want to make sure we get the plans straight before night?

I wanted to see STD's response to my question.

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1) what about all of the times in the game where he's taken weak and nonconfrontational positions?
2) we/i was called out before yesterday.

Where has MOS taken weak or nonconfrontal positions? Without examples, your statement is worthless.

Where were you called out before yesterday? Certainly, you haven't been forced to post at all before yesterday.

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people were continuing to say, "first, let's lynch pablito, then quagmire."

From what I can tell you mean Uraj, not pablito.

MoS had no input into this, whereas many people agreed with the people who wanted my head chopped to pieces. He then decided to take pages 68-71 to post nothing but one-liners with little relevance to the game.

Coming from you, this argument isn't exactly particularly convincing. If anything, mentioning page 67 isn't a good thing for you; it gives a reason why pablito might have been nightkilled [since he was one of the people suggesting a Quagmire wagon in that time period].

In addition, there was the whole "MOS analyzing STD" thing on page 69, which certainly was not a one-liner. (And it's not like you were saying useful stuff during that time period.)

He then decided, with a post that I made about not voting for Thok because he liked NCAA hoops (that didn't intend at first to be a trap-post, but in retrospect, was), that I was scummy. He then decides to speak up and create a bandwagon before anyone else does; that post of mine, obviously, was scummy.

What other bandwagons were likely to happen that day that MOS was preempting? Moreover, MOS wasn't the first person to vote you that day; I was!

Page 73 is also good evidence towards my cause; he spends little time talking about me, the most popular lynch target, because he doesn't want to be seen as a bandwagoner. At least, that's what I get out of it.

He then abruptly changes his mind and decides I'm scum after not really paying much attention to the arguments against me.

You do realize that MOS was voting you the entire time, right?

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@ThAdmiral

Why do you think there are three scum left?

Why are you assuming that scum aren't voting Quagmire and town are? If Quagmire is scum, his partners might want the day to end quickly and as you mentioned, might think that Quagmire is a lost cause. (Scum being sme subset of SV, MOS, STD isn't really that unreasonable either). Town might not be completely certain of Quagmire allegiance and might want to force people to talk to get more info about a possible Quagmire scum's partners.

(As a side note, saying "I'm willing to hammer Quagmire" is a completely contentless statement.

If you didn't know that Quagmire had three votes on him, what would you think of his play? What would you think of the play of the other people in the game?

Ignoring the fact that they are voting Quagmire, why do you think STD and MOS are protown? Why do you think Coron is scum?

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I assume there would be 5 mafia due to the size of the game. Is that unreasonable?

On the people I think are scum and the people I think are town: these are based on my overall feeling after reading through the game.

We did have an SK, so either 4 or 5 Mafia and 1 SK is not that unlikely; it's more of the certainty with which you asserted there were 3 mafia.

We'd like to hear where your "general overall feeling" comes from.

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ThAdmiral's comments are making me consider the idea of us starting with 2 mafias of size 2 each and one SK, all of those groups having some nightkill protection (necessary to explain the relative lack of kills night 1). One of those mafias would be bluemonick-Fuldu, fairly obviously.

In such a scenario, my reasons for thinking MMod (now ThAdmiral) are protown are basically null and void.

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MOS, I would think the fact that I've been having an angry discussion with him and pointing out multiple flaws in his arguments would make it obvious that I'm not happy with him and think he's likely scum. But, like I said, I'd like to figure see if I can deduce Quagmire's scum partner today (assuming he is scum). I also want to see people post to see if/how Coron's vote on ThAdmiral affects things.

One thing that I have been thinking about was the lack of a push to lynch anybody yesterday near the deadline.

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Actually, right now I think Coron's a more likely Quag scum partner than ThAdmiral; if there are multiple groups, then ThAdmiral thinking there's 3 scum left is a slight protown tell.

It could also give an explanation for why Fuldu was going relatively hard against Coron; Fuldu and partner could have tried to kill Coron night one and failed. (In my 2 scum + 2 scum + 1 SK with lots of night protection theory, we're missing 2 night 1 kills. One of those missing kills has to be TSS-SK [since he was killed later].)

I want to wait a bit to see if anything interesting occurs with respect to Coron's vote on ThAdmiral.

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I'm not sure how much more there is to discuss today. At this point I feel fairly comfortable with a Quagmire lynch, and I'm willing to hammer in like 48 hours.

[Thok]

Bah!