Mafia with the Quickness 2 GAME OVER!

[Slice of Life]

Huh, why did I think this was F11?

No matter.

Hello, Slice of Life is here and ready to go which you guys seem to have covered anyway @.@

Our heads will be communicate.

My posts specifically will come tomorrow afternoon because work, other me may have something in the meantime. I should sleep.

Vote: Slice of Life

Claim: Mastin2 and Haylen, Winner of the Hydra Most Likely to Make a Game Implode Scummie 2014.

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Righto, here we go.

I think Haylen also forgot that we'll need to communicate since she didn't give me a QT link, but we'll fix that eventually. For the time being, catchup!

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VOTE: Slandaar

Town.

SAD's probscum.

VOTE: Slandaar
Go, speed wagon... go, go!

So's jason.

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We're a miller.

Probably town.
Desp definitely is.

- Three negative town roles already claimed. I'm not sure yet what to think about that.

Three? I only saw the miller and the encryptor.

(SK might be scum.)

...The OTHER SK's probably town, though.
(I'm going to adapt a Saint and Sleepy policy, now. Respectively.)

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Take back the jason scumread.
Thought of making it be a townread, but too much doubt there.

Marquis hydra

very

loosely town.

/5.

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my role pm implies that multiple encryptors might exist,

and if one is alive daytalk is available for all QTs

if you think i should die why bother rvsing sleepy?

The bolded is why killing desp right now isn't helpful. We need to kill all of them to get rid of the effect. Otherwise we're just feeding scum a free lunch.

Okay, might be town afterall.

Oh god, how many pages am I going to wake up to each morning.

Dayne v Juls feels town v town to me. Daytalk can be very powerful in good hands, not saying I want to lynch Desp or I'm even completely sure he's not reaction testing or something but.. meh, daytalk utilised properly can be good.

VOTE: SleepyKrew

Posting:Content ratio too high

PEDIT: oh lord like a dozen posts popping up

So I might be wrong on this.

But when Not_Mafia has stayed true to his name, I've generally been able to figure as much.

This entrance post isn't giving me that feeling.
It could be on my end, it could be on his end yet not be his alignment (different posting), could be both, but could also be that he's lying. Which I'm vaguely leaning towards.

Okay early town reads on desperado, arthur and Jason.

ALCOHOL IS ALSO EVIL!

I think you might still be 2/3 drunk

Kinda scary how in-line Sleepy is with my thoughts.
Calling town.

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scum daytalk isn't that scary and getting rid of the encryptors is entirely pointless and only serves to waste lynches. the rest of them shouldn't claim either bc all it does is tell scum who not to kill

SKrew is town for pointing it out and Desp is town for making waves early - in the game I played with scum Desp he did a lot and tried to look town, but didn't actually do much of anything. F-16 agrees on SKrew town but wants to meta him to be sure.

I liked SAD's 105.

I fucking hate Juls so far. when Desp claimed she first took the easiest and most opportunistic stance for scum to take (lynch it) and then backed off once everyone else did.

vote: Juls

I also dislike Saint. the entirety of his posting is about Desp's claim and when Desp first claimed he also jumped for the opportunity to lynch him.

we'll sign if it's necessary, but it should be rly obvious who is who

Righto. I forget who's in this hydra, but I remember it's got at least one (if not both) player(s) that work with me extremely well (and I think I've called students before; would have to check), yet regardless, town.

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(Kinda feel like this game's going to be hellish and have a lot of ambivalence, though. And maybe apathy down the line. Or if not, too-many-townreads syndrome. But eh. Not to be worried about until it's something to be worried about. )

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pie please obvtown to me you are off to a good start

He already is. (You are, basically, too.)

For the record, blindly sheeping Antihero is something I can, and probably will, end up ultimately doing. (AKA, he's town and I'm paying close attention to his reads.)

In fact,
VOTE: Not_Mafia.

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Hoopla, what do you make of Desp's encryptor claim and subsequent action.
It literally makes me

Yo, Oversoul.

Anti's thoughts on you are looking accurate.

also I think slice of life is scum
discuss.

Well, then I'm scum bussing any scumbuddy you're suspicious of while I buddy you.

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cos mastina won't get pissed at me if I leave them as lynchbait while trying to determine their alignment when mastina is v/la on weekends (so am I) and haylen is hittin da club.

For the record, I'll only not get pissed at you if leaving me as lynchbait is temporary, and you actually reverse it around to prevent me from getting lynched.

<3

Mastin, I've noticed something in our meta together (not your lovable alts). Can you tell me what it is?
It isn't really a something, but it is a definite pattern.

I'm always town and you're always scum?


Juls is probs-town if I'm thinking right, but marquis-hydra is def-town.

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VOTE: overlysoul

I'll sheep this when caught up, though I owe my friend a catch-up benefit before then.

Mollie, why are you voting me?

Because she's scumreading you, duh.

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do you know who I wanna hear from but is on v/la? mastina. cos I kind of think he had overlysoul as scum towards the endgame in that game.

It does seem scum, but honestly, Oversoul and I have had so few direct interactions that my ability to read him has deteriorated significantly, in that any and all experience I've had reading him recently has been watching theme games that he's in and I'm not (at least, not under the name mastin2). Pinkmin was our last well and true proper game together, and my memory of it's hazy enough that I don't really trust myself to be that accurate.

That being said, still a scumread, soyeah.

I feel like Tales Of taught me some things about Mastin, so we'll see.

Indeed it will.

Let's just hope that the common elements here don't lead to a common result. (Among others, me not having any plans to play but being dragged into a hydra by someone asking, me being the more dominant head of the hydra, us being town, the game being fast, and it being filled with normally high-caliber players.)

lets arm wrestle for nk1 honour

I'd fight for that honor, but it seems that nowadays, people are more interested in "mislynch-mastin-on-d2-in-spite-of-her-being-obvtown". >_>
<_<

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Why am I scum Desperado? State your case.

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

F-16 and I agree on SKrew, Desp, and SAD as town.

@mollie:

why is SAD scum?

I'll buy it if others do, but my gutread on SAD is still scum.

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julz is town.

Leaning that way, but MASSIVELY ambivalent.

eta: goddammit mastina is scum

Probably, since I'm getting the distinct impression this won't be god-tiered scumhunting from me and will end up being apathetic-lurkish-eh-I'm-not-really-feelin'-it play, but still town. Just scum.

Okay early town reads on desperado, arthur and Jason.

ALCOHOL IS ALSO EVIL!

I think you might still be 2/3 drunk

Kinda scary how in-line Sleepy is with my thoughts.
Calling town.

Which 2/3rds do you agree with?

Well, Desp townread. Jason's not a scumread but not a townread either. He's minorly ambivalent. (Compared to Juls's massively ambivalent.) Arthur is a scumread. And it's not just the opinions Sleepy's presenting; it's also largely the way he's presenting them that seems in line with me.

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then why are we not in your town pool?

You are?

I kinda thought that saying I was fully willing to (and probably would end up) sheep you was enough?

Well, I mean we're town, so your read is we're town.

Yep!

eta: mastina why do you have to be scum.

Because I'm not really feelin' like efforts right now.

Like, best description is that I took chill pillz but chilled out too much into apathy when I'm kinda posting and reading for the heck of it but not really putting much soul into it.

IS THIS THAT FALCON PERSON
SCUM

Probably to the first, but...I'm reasonably certain it's no to the second?

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On that note, caught up.

VOTE: Oversoul.
Think that's where mollie/Anti are voting.

Will also vote for Not_Mafia.

Probably should get a readslist up.

[Slice of Life]

8. Desperado
9. Perpetual Nonsense (Bert + SXTLHGaiden)
15. Feu et Vol (beastcharizard + Marquis)
7. helium-3 (Antihero + Pirate Mollie)
12. Imperium (Nachomamma8 + Tammy)
11. Sugoku Sugoi (F-16_Fighting_Falcon + pieguyn)
16. SleepyKrew
14. Hoopla
5. Speedy Saki (Metal Sonic + Saki)
1. JasonT1981
10. Juls
2. SaintKerrigan
3. Slandaar
17. Ser Arthur Dayne
13. Oversoul
6. Not_Mafia

4. Nero Cain
18. Nobody Special

Something like this.

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PN, why does Hoopla being scum in a completed unrelated game make her dangerous?

I wouldn't call hydra dissonance town or scum, you've got two people playing as one. They are going to have their own opinions and their own arguments. They are going to clash every so often. It also depends on which role/alignment each person favours. There are too many confounding variables to consider this anything but null.

Why did the Neighbourizers claim so early and are we sure that this isn't an elaborate scum plot? One claim, one counterclaim, then neighbourize their buddies all game.

Loaf Slip

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Gut scum read on Slice of Life.

I realize that there's a decent number of people here who don't really have that much experience with me, so here, have this. It should help.

How To Read Mastin

:

Are you zMuffinman?

Yes-->Screw tells, you know mastin's alignment instantly.
No-->

Are you AngryPidgeon?

Yes-->Screw tells, you know mastin's alignment instantly.
No-->

Are you a player who has hydraed or has otherwise worked well with Mastin?

Yes-->You likely don't need the chart, but because you're not that familiar with her, you should probably go through it anyway as a precaution.
No-->You REALLY need to go through the chart; proceed! But fair warning in advance that it's only about 90% accurate.

THE FLOWCHART:

Does Mastin look town?

No-->She's town.
Yes-->Proceed to next step.

Trust her as town.

What does she do?

Get paranoid of you-->She's town.
Enthusiastically work with you-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
Nothing-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
Milk your townread and bully you-->Proceed.

Suddenly pressure her.

What does she do?

Freak out-->She's town.
Show concern, but subdued-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
Brush it off-->Proceed.

Is she posting up a storm?

Yes-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
No-->Proceed.

Is she gloating how good her scumgame is?

Yes-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
No-->Proceed.

Does Mastin have delusions of grandeur?

Yes-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
No-->Proceed.

Is she waffling...
...A lot?

Yes-->She's town.
Sorta?-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
No-->Proceed.

Does she look like she's trying to leave a legacy?

Yes-->She's town.
Maybe-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
No-->Proceed.

Is she antagonizing everyone?

Yes-->She's town.
No-->Proceed.

Has Mastin rambled at all on MD theory?

Yes-->She's town.
No-->Proceed.

If applicable, did she 'crumb her role and/or claim it openly and immediately?

Yes-->She's town.
Maybe-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
No-->Proceed.

Do the circumstances behind her play and/or claim look town?

Yes-->She's town.
Maybe-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
No-->Proceed.

Is she irrational?

Yes-->She's town.
Maybe-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
No-->Proceed.

Is she spewing random illogical theories?

Yes-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
No-->Proceed.

Does her posting look intentional?

No-->She's town.
Yes-->Proceed.

Is she spontaneous, random, and/or whimsical?

Yes-->She's town.
Maybe?-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
No-->Proceed.

Is her tone flat?

No-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
Yes-->Proceed.

(BONUS:

If Mastin is behind, does she demonstrate knowledge of the

current

gamestate she could not reasonably have at her supposed point of reference?

No-->She's town.
It's hard to say...-->She probably does know, but not much, having likely skimmed offline, not logged in, and chose not to get the full context to spoiler her as probable-town.
Yes-->Proceed.)

And finally...

Is there minimal resistance to lynching her?

Yes-->She's town; defend her!
...Maybe?-->You've gotten this far and the best you've got is a "maybe"?!? You dummy, run through it again! (But she's probably town anyway.)-->All other factors equal, if you're having this much trouble reading Mastin, just freakin' assume she's town. (She likely is, anyway.)-->FOR THE LOVE OF GODS, SHE'S TOWN, DANG IT.
No-->She's probably scum...but you should run through the flowchart one more time just to be sure, as a precaution.

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Hoopla, what do you make of Desp's encryptor claim and subsequent action.

I dunno. Feels like some weird setup shenanigans going on, so I'm inclined to leave the claims be, and work them out later.

I feel overwhelmed by this game already. Who is town? I'm basically willing to sheep someone and vote with them until I have any real opinions of my own. Someone speak up.

(That said, Hoopla's looking like scum for this.)

Oh, and just saying, Sleepy's VERY obviously town.

VOTE: Not_Mafia.

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I still lean town on Juls by the timing of her claim and because I don't see how this Hydra talk stuff is alignment indicative so I feel like she's just being backed in to a corner over nothing, I don't like the read on Feu Et Vol but I can also see it coming from someone who doesn't know them. Helium I see jumping on everyone and I don't think they're actually reading the posts they're attacking people for. The not liking entrances thing is mutual with slice of life, both head's entrance looked quite forced to me

haha, no. slice of life is town. and you're scum. and you're also strawmanning with "jumping on everyone" because mollie's already told you about a number of townreads. you're just butthurt you're not one of them.
mollie would you please vote

not

_mafia?

Pretty much, yeah.

As for my readslist, Hoopla's probably plummeting down to around Slandaar/SAD. Maybe above Slandaar, maybe below, but in that very-low-zone where scum can quite easily be, but not necessarily.

So Oversoul and Mastin/Slice of Pie are probably scum... likely together.
Helium just feels all over the place and not really attacking genuinely? But at the same time the points they've chosen to focus on don't really make me think "scum motivation".
Still think Juls might be scum? I mean I would be frustrated with mollie really regardless, but I'll hold off on actually getting a concert read till I might ISO them soon or just generally wait for more posts.
Skrew/Sugo/Tamcho are all leaning town. I guess? Idrk yet I guess but w/e I'll be able to sort it out later.
I feel like I should have a read on not_mafia but I don't. I'll do some ISOs when I actually get coffee.

Also Mastin is probably gonna call this post bad. The preemptive response is "lol".

Damn straight. Calling a scumteam including Oversoul and myself while not voting either of us, discrediting helium when BOTH heads are VERY strong players (in vastly different ways), pointing suspicion onto Juls but avoiding going onto the wagon, weak reads when you should have MUCH stronger ones, the null on Not_Mafia being included yet not nulls on most other players, not to mention the 'lol' and the pre-emptively undermining of me.

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and people who are saying "their pushes aren't genuine" are... ironically... NOT GENUINE
looking at SAD and not_mafia

^That.

At least Juls's looks genuine.

Speaking of which,

VOTE: Juls
Antihero's histrionics aside, I'm not liking Juls' "You're scum so you're using hydra dissonance as a scum tactic". Should really be the other way around.

Juls is moving up on the readslist. Heck, I might just flat-out switch her and Hoopla. (Not sure that logistically works out. I'll give ya an updated list when I get caught up.)

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Dayvig: Helium
Juls would you be okay being lynched if they flip town???

this is a shit gambit. not surprising.

on the off-chance it's real, don't lynch Juls.
sheep mastin. lynch not_mafia and oversoul.

That's a scum response.

There was literally no townier way to respond to that gambit.

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Your chaotic dayvig thing bothers me, it didn't generate discussion. Half of your reads are non-opinions pretty much, aka pure hubris. Also why are you going after helium so early instead of letting mollie do her D1 thing before we judge

(Did I mention Bert's town? He totally is.)

why do i get the feeling that everyone has forgotten that this is a speed game and is willing to dance around the lynch for 3 more days and let scum drive a mislynch wagon within the last 10 minutes like in dark age of the law

Yes, well, the lead wagon is on Juls which I think to be a mistake (the helium wagon is even worse), and I'm fighting for a lynch on Not_Mafia right now overall, with me spread out between him, SAD, Oversoul, and such. Basically, I can lynch any of my scumspects which creates the dilemma of none of them being pushed with conviction.

If I'm just leaning town but you aren't sure, why aren't you interacting with me?

(Because he's scum, and if me joining his wagon gets him more votes than any of my other scumspects, I'm doing so once caught up.)

Tbh there's a lot right now to focus on and right now I feel like I could let you do your own thing and then interact with you if any bells ring! (but I'm currently trying to figure out more priority targets right now with such short days).

*coughbullshitbullshitcough*

Not only is this response utter trash, it's also highly false: if there's a lot to focus on...why hasn't he actually, y'know. FOCUSED on it.

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Honestly I like helium's points on them, but it's more of "I like the fact helium is finally making points that sound good/look like they're believing them" rather than "they're good points b/c it's true, not_mafia's posts have been bad" if that makes sense?
I'm going to ISO not_mafia soon but from what I remember he wasn't really memorable at all.

Really the only thing making me doubt that I'm onto the right track is

just how freaking transparently obvious

this scumteam would be.

Going to sheep Juls onto Helium

Looks like a good wagon.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Helium

^scum

Agreed.

But Juls probably

isn't

her scumbuddy, contrary to that somewhat-popular opinion.

hoopla / not_mafia / oversoul / SAD

It's official, we are now a four-headed hydra with a double-vote.

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What do you look for in Mastin scum?

The flowchart has both, even if one side is favored a bit more prominently. (But that's the joke.)

yo mastin
the last discredit post was a scumclaim
you should have kept your vote

Probably.

I can basically vote any one of them at this point, soyeah.

VOTE: Oversoul.

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SAD seems to be going on the defensive, first calling points bad but not explaining why and then resorting to personal insults regarding grammar and vocabulary.

Noted.

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Not only is this response utter trash, it's also highly false: if there's a lot to focus on...why hasn't he actually, y'know. FOCUSED on it.

How is this a sentence you can actually type and click post on and expect it to be taken serious.

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So, my computer's probably dieing. It's having trouble establishing a wifi connection, and the charger isn't charging it. I thought it could be overheating, but it's not; it could still be the charger, but that doesn't explain why my computer suddenly out of the blue is having trouble connecting to my modems. (Plural.) Consider me on a little bit sketchy access until I have solutions. :/

@mastin:

I find it hard to believe you're townreading me based on one post.

How damn many games.
How damn many games.

Will it take you to realize that, sometimes, *I* am that. damn. good.

where did that townread come from?

Try every word you're writing?

No, seriously, this is both of you in top-form, top-shape towngame.

Okay town is in helium, perpetual nonsense, desperado, feu et vol, and possibly in arthur, sleepy, jason, sugoku, oversoul, juls, and slice of life.

Definitely invite sleepy and sugoku in. Not really seeing the others, though.

I'm always town and you're always scum?

Answer this seriously, Mastin.

I did?

I legitimately have absolutely no clue what you're saying is common; you being scum and me being town is the only thing I can remember.

anyone up for a not_mafia wagon?

*raises hand*

Only thing really giving me doubt is the presence of other scumreads.

In a nutshell, I'm reading Imperium as obvtown? Helium is town and the wagon on them is pretty bad. I get why some people may vote them but the vote that bugged me the most is Hoopla's. I also completely agree with Antihero on his push on Juls although I am null om Juls and don't have a read either way, I do feel that Antihero's posts came across as incredibly reasonable and townish. I feel Bert's more recent posts have been extremely town and I'd be quite surprised if PN flipped scum here. Desperado's assessment of Not_Mafia feels town as well and I agree that scum-Desp would probably have written Tammy off as town. Fue Et Vol, SleepyKrew, and Arthur feel town as well. I still want to lynch Not_Mafia. Pie and I both have concerns about SaintK. As for Jason, I'm going to point out why I found him suspicious in my next post. Pie really likes Hoopla's post 640 about Oversoul and is townreading both Hoopla and Oversoul. I am not sure I'm sold on that though. Tl;dr list, (I'll post reasons for all of these tomorrow after refining my null reads):

Town (S->W)

: Imperium, Helium3, Perpetual Nonsense, Fue Et Vol, Desperado, Ser Arthur Dayne, SleepyKrew

Null

: Juls, Slice of Life, Speedy Saki, Slandaar,Nobody Special, Nero Cain, Hoopla, Oversoul

Scum (S->W)

: SaintKerrigan, JasonT1981, Not_Mafia

YO.
F-16.
OUR READS ARE THE SAME AGAIN. (Not just reads, but reasoning. So there's a few reads that aren't identical, but they are very, VERY vastly synched up overall.)
DON'T YOU

DARE

GO PUTTING ME IN THE NULL PILE AGAIN.

(Also, NS is town and Juls is going back into my personal suspicion list. I definitely think I'm wrong on at least one of SAD/Oversoul being scum if not both, for what it's worth.)

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i'm surprised people can't tell the difference between me and mollie.

To be fair, you have the same posting styles.

But tonality, it's the difference between night and day. (I might be biased, though, since I've worked with both of you extensively in games.)

Juls

(5): Desperado, Feu et Vol, SleepyKrew, Not_Mafia, Nobody Special

Not_Mafia

(4): Sugoku Sugoi, Ser Arthur Dayne, Imperium, Oversoul

Oversoul

(3): helium-3, Slice of Life, Perpetual Nonsense

I will lol if it turns out that all three top wagons were on scum.

Probably aren't, but still. Heard it here, first.

(My scumteam at this point is probably N_M, Hoopla, maybe-Oversoul, and probably-Juls for what it's worth. Doesn't seem right, of course. But it's the best theory I've got at the moment. I really needs to do a revised readslist.)

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9. Perpetual Nonsense (Bert + SXTLHGaiden)
12. Imperium (Nachomamma8 + Tammy)
11. Sugoku Sugoi (F-16_Fighting_Falcon + pieguyn)
7. helium-3 (Antihero + Pirate Mollie)
15. Feu et Vol (beastcharizard + Marquis)
8. Desperado
18. Nobody Special
16. SleepyKrew

5. Speedy Saki (Metal Sonic + Saki)
3. Slandaar
2. SaintKerrigan
1. JasonT1981
17. Ser Arthur Dayne
13. Oversoul
10. Juls
14. Hoopla
6. Not_Mafia

4. Nero Cain

This seems about right. For those on the top half who've "moved down", I assure you, you haven't, it's just that others have moved up. Really, the top half is my pile of "so dang town, they're ALL equally interchangeable strength-wise".

For what it's worth: Saki's a bit of a townread of mine, in spite of the 'uselessness' of the slot.
Slandaar is in the list because he's technically provided content, but so little that he'd almost be with Nero--and I feel like the lack of content is at least right now alignment-null. (I think he mentioned being busy, so V/LA gives him some leniency.)
Saint's still an overall townread, and given the prod on her, her drop in content is also likely not alignment-indicative.

So I basically have six slots for a very-probable four-scum game.

You can ask me about any of the reads, but most of these things are...well, kinda self-evident.

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I am very surprised that Speedy Saki hasn't come under more fire in 38 pages than this. That iso is terrible but I don't want to waste a lynch there (Vig take note: SS is a good target).

With regards to hydra's being used as a defence, that is very meh. It depends on the context, how familiar the players are with each other, the game ect. I would have thought the typical play when a conflicting opinion is posted would be for the owner of that opinion to answer questions about it rather than the second head to go on the defensive. How about rather than focusing on the 'what's', we focus on the 'why's'?

Helium -

What was the reasoning for you reads on us? Separately. And what did you eventually decide your one read was?

Waiting on Mastin but since she says that she has possible computer issues, I'll post this - I think Juls' outburst was town. From my experience, most townies will ask to be lynched and then have somebody else lynched afterwards. Scum tend to have the outburst and then threaten to self hammer instead. Subtle difference. There was

something about it

that I can't explain. I will check in on Mastin to see what she makes of this. Early claims tend to come from town, as well, especially where the player is experienced. Scum seem to wait, they don't want to possibly risk claiming something another townie may have. I can't give an opinion on the role claim specifically because I am not very familiar with that role.

Something did make me wonder though if Desperado may be fake claiming Neighbouriser and confusing it was Mason instead? The whole "we have day talk/no we don't" argument. Are they both Neighbour/Mason specific? *spends too much time in the newbie queue*

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I

really

don't want a SaintKerrigan lynch today. I have a null read on him but I'm not ready to see him lynched today.

Shos - Why are you shipping? In the many posts you have read, you have drawn no conclusions?

Isn't encrypter a only scum role?

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Helium - You wont be getting a reply from Mastin for a while, perhaps you would like to talk to me instead?

Mastin has a problem with their computer, as I said before. So from now until they return, my reads are my own.

I have had a fleeting gut instinct that SaintKerrigan is scum. However, I can't remember exactly how he plays and I will need to meta. I am not comfortable supporting his lynch today. I shall look at his previous games during the night.

The playerslot that I most want to see dead is Speedy Saki purely based on the iso. I shouldn't really have to explain myself with this one, read the iso and all will become evident. This may seem like a policy lynch/opinion. I don't make policy lynches based on content or lack thereof. Lack of posting content with no good reason is scummy.

OUTGUESSING THE MOD: I thought Zach hated Millers. I try not to get involved in guessing games because anything can happen in a theme game.

DAYTALK: I disagree. There are many times as scum where fomulating plans and putting them into action would have made the game go so much more smoothly for myself and my team. Especially in lylo or when it came to claiming. Why would we want to give scum more time to talk than we need to? Stop handing them a bone. The only reason motivation I can think of for players to want scum to have day talk is that they are scum themselves. Encryptor is a scum role and I could totally see Desparado playing a gambit with their claim. "May role PM suggests more than one encryptor", then lynching Desp is one less to worry about. Unless the Encryptor effects the Neighbourhoods too? Encryptors traditionally only involve scum QTs.

*yawn* All these people saying I'm scum and not explaining why.

I'm struggling with how best to approach this, to be honest, this is my first game in ages ~feels in at the deep end~ I think I will iso the people up for lynch today.

Shos

Hasn't actually done anything since replacing in. No reads posted or explained. Seems to just be trolling his way through the game.

Sheeping in a 50 page game.

How does A2E and WIFOM equal rolefishing? (In regards to Jason, post 1365)

Oh. Vengeful? No opinion. Scum can fakeclaim. Why would a vengeful with a scum opinion of Speedy Saki be considering Jason for their only shot? SS is Vengeful and Vig Bait.

Opinion on Not_Mafia coming.

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Oh right. Hm.

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my role pm implies that multiple encryptors might exist, and if one is alive daytalk is available for all QTs

if you think i should die why bother rvsing sleepy?

I read this post, Desp, but I read it as there are multiple scum teams rather than in reference to the neighbourhoods. I didn't know encryptors could effect neighbourhood QTs.

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I read this post, Desp, but I read it as there are multiple scum teams rather than in reference to the neighbourhoods. I didn't know encryptors could effect neighbourhood QTs.

but i fucking told you that they did.

Doesn't stop me being confused. Regardless of what you say, Encryptor is a traditionally scum role which I learnt could be a town role and effect the town about 10 minutes ago. The only place I have come across this role was 4-5 years ago in an this game. An open game with no town neighbour type roles.

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Wait there was a mason in that game but it didn't effect the day masons cause they were already DAY MASONS.

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Wait there was a mason in that game but it didn't effect the day masons cause they were already DAY MASONS.

If you actually cared, you'd just fucking ask the mod

@mod
Hypothetically, would an encryptor, regardless of alignment, make daytalk available for all private communication?

OR I would just go with what I believed to be true?

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*shrugs* Perhaps my way of figuring shit out isn't the same as yours.

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That explains so much.

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I thought it could be a fake claim because it would be more beneficial for the town to get a vengeful into lylo and scum want to stay alive in general.

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UNVOTE: shos

VOTE: mastina

I'm not sure it quite works like that.

Why do you think I (or Mastin) at least is scum.

In my defence, I have no concept of time so however many months ago we played Manical Mafia is forever ago to me.

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Vote: Shos

Shoot well. Or die hard. Depending on your alignment.

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Hvglyjg.hjmbjj,mv,hhcfngfghxfgxhfgh,jhgjmbjh,,jhgj,mb

Argh.

Just.

Argh.

THERE ARE TWO HEADS TO THIS HYDRA.

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Haylen. And Mastin.

People keep calling us just Mastin. I exist too ;-;

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the deaths make me want to cry

poor vigs poor imperium



BUT! I did find SK post very ironic

Vote: Speedy Saki

For that post.

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Nope, still Haylen.

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I also posted yesterday that the iso is pretty terrible.

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I feel like voting Mastin for not being flash-and-bang yet.

VOTE: Slice of Life

All this discussion about "why was Tammy killed" is enough to get town on the wrong track imo.

You're voting a hydra because one head is inactive?

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The self meta-ing rings my buzzer a little bit. They're saying they aren't scum because they haven't bothered trying to look town, basically.

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Trouble is, I don't believe that because in their iso, they look like they're making an attempt at doing something. Null to me, I can buy the excuses that they're behind.

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Hey Desp, what's you're opinion on Oversoul? I'm trying to get a read on them and failing.

Oversoul, what's you're reasoning for that vote?

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Can somebody drag me in by asking some questions, please? I need to direct my thoughts, finding this game a bit difficult. Thanks.

PS I'm not hammering someone for being what I read as genuinely inactive.

Also I'm posting from work so won't answer straight away.

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Can somebody drag me in by asking some questions, please? I need to direct my thoughts, finding this game a bit difficult. Thanks.

PS I'm not hammering someone for being what I read as genuinely inactive.

Also I'm posting from work so won't answer straight away.

not only is genuine inactivity not a reason to think someone is town,

you don't even think it's genuine

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Trouble is, I don't believe that because in their iso, they look like they're making an attempt at doing something. Null to me, I can buy the excuses that they're behind.

why do you suppose slandaar is lying about not doing anything then?

ps if slandaar was doing something you'd fucking know it.

Anyone fancy a Desp lynch? That was a really bad misrep. I said that I believed that Slaander was behind. The first part was in reference to this post. I don't see the post as being particularly damning or scumclaim. It just looks like a poorly worded sentence.

Can somebody drag me in by asking some questions, please? I need to direct my thoughts, finding this game a bit difficult. Thanks.

PS I'm not hammering someone for being what I read as genuinely inactive.

well one question that comes to mind is "why does 'genuine' inactivity imply town?" and "what's 'genuine' inactivity?"

I never said it was town ~ Another misrep ~ I clearly said it was null. Genuine mean real life causes or finding the game is progressing too quickly or whatever.

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Why is Desp an obvious townie to you?

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Sorry, don't plan on defending myself against a case that doesn't exist.

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Vote: Sogoku

I tried to neighborize hoopla

Why this vote in particular? What draws you to vote Sogoku instead of myself?

Has anything interesting happened in the Neighbour QTs?

How about rather than trying to read mastin, you try reading the person talking to you? I can't provide any explanation or defense for a NEGATIVE event.

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Oh a case. Sort of.

I had and still have no intention of interacting with SS. Their posts give me a headache. That post where I specifically voted them for is an old tell ~ "Scum Celebrations", some scum do it after managing a particularly good nightkill.

I committed to a null read on Slaander.

Yes I'm disconnected to this game

because half of me is missing

. If you're trying to play as an individual AND a hydra, you're posts are going to look terrible. Unfortunately, I don't particularly have any choice in the matter.

I stand my those posts as being terrible misreps and have a leaning scum read on those players as a result.

I don't hold much faith in role claims to determine alignment.

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Tough shit, Helium. That's all I've got to say.

Now I'm going to bed.

If anyone plans on asking questions, I'm not around until 3pm UK time.

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Huh, you're right actually. Why the sudden deflection from Jason?

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Juls is my strongest town read.

It bothers me that people were gearing for Jason yesterday but lynched me today, look into them too.

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Definitely my bed time now though.

Goodnight and goodluck town.