Tales of You (Endgame)

[AngryPidgeon]

i was never defending carbon fiber

Then what the hell is this?

This still isn't logic, there is still no reason two millers would be totally farfetched.

i'd like everyone to take a moment and consider why there would need to be multiple millers when neither claimed cop role can catch scum as it is. if there were multiple replicas in the game, our role would fail against at least 6/16 players in the game + all the roleblocking shenanigans, moving it past the point of kinda shitty into totally and completely useless.

You quoted DV telling CF that his push made no sense and then talk about why it DOES make sense with information that Cf DID NOT HAVE.

If this wasnt a CF-defense, then Im back to my original question. Why did you post this????

[AngryPidgeon]

Yes, obvouly it is now the case that there are not two millers, why would I say that? The other claimed miller is dead...

I'm gonna go play league now instead of this

Ya Fox is town. JSU is just obfuscating the CF pressure by defending against it with a red herring and then muddying the waters about their intent.

[AngryPidgeon]

Wait, are you seriously telling me that you felt the need to respond to Fox saying "there is still no reason..." ?

OBVIOUSLY there arent 2 millers in the game since there is only ONE miller claim and no flipped millers.

No one is arguing that there are still 2 millers, wtf.

[AngryPidgeon]

Falcon's logic was sound?

Didn't someone on D1 say that Falcon claimed miller in the neighborhood almost right away? Now its coming out that he only claimed miller a couple hours before the CC went down way late in the Day?
No one is talking about you. No one is talking about your push on RBD (ok maybe I am now).

How does YOUR ROLE make FALCON'S LOGIC more valid. I dont care if he was right about RBD not actually being a miller. The push still looks bad and you are still trying to justify FALKCON'S PUSH with YOUR ROLE which he DID NOT KNOW.

[AngryPidgeon]

I think they are scum together. Which can be divined from 7089 without too much extrapolation.

[AngryPidgeon]

Who did you shoot last night?

[AngryPidgeon]

This makes a lot of sense and feels town as fuck.

[AngryPidgeon]

Here is what doesnt make sense about it.

Yesterday PV moslty wanted to lynch outside of Me/Cupcake. Yet now Im in his short list.

Yesterday, PV wanted to lynch Magenta. Now I cant even tell what his read on them is (less scum than he had them Yesterday??, why?)

Yestreday PV was ready to write Titan off as town. Now he just doesnt care anymore?

[AngryPidgeon]

Who SHOULD I have shot last night? And know it was not either townread I have left.

Probably me since you are scum and all that.

[AngryPidgeon]

His logic doesn't count as sound if he didn't know why it was sound v.v

This x1000

Literally all JSU did here is subtly defend THEIR push on RBD and then cast off any pressure on CF for ~reasons~ that I cant even figure out. At all. They seem immune to understanding that CF couldn't have known their role was a good reason to push RBD. (It wasnt regardless, but still).

[AngryPidgeon]

Well what is off the wall bonkers is Falcon responding to a post saying it makes fucking sense when his supposed strongest town read is in PV's scum team.

And PUHLEASE going after a universal townread to look different so you don't look scum doesn't make someone town.

Yes, also CF being overly cozy with PV despite supposedly disagreeing with his RG read and violently disagreeing with his Titan read is

I dont think CF is scum with PV though based on this.

[AngryPidgeon]

Are you allergic to answering simple questions about your claimed role or???????

Also, THIS!!! Ive asked the following questions more times than I care to:
1) Why did you not shoot on N2? you claim that you wanted RBD to flip, but they FLIPPED IN THE MIDDLE OF N2. I know you were around, did you not see it?? Why did you not address this when you claimed no-shot WITHOUT prompting from me?
2) Why the mastin lynch? would RBD flipping town have made you less inclined to lynch mastin?
3) Who did you shoot last night?
4) How much of the JANITOR aspect of your role is made clear in your PM?

This is like pulling teeth.

[AngryPidgeon]

Who did you shoot last night?

Good question!

Who SHOULD I have shot last night? And know it was not either townread I have left.

I love, love, LOVE this post.

What he flying fuck is there to like about this post?

PV refuses to claim his night action target. And trolls me.

Wooooooo. SO TOWN. VERY WOW.

[AngryPidgeon]

Who SHOULD I have shot last night? And know it was not either townread I have left.

Probably me since you are scum and all that.

Non-responsive answer. Noted.

NO. IM NOT PLAYING 20 QUESTIONS WITH YOU. EITHER CLAIM YOUR NIGHT ACTION OR GET DUNKED.

[AngryPidgeon]

AP is allergic to answering questions.

lmao, PV is asking for my opinion on WHO HE SHOT.

Pardon me while I give PV fake night action targets for him to claim.

[AngryPidgeon]

You can, on the alternative, lynch me. I can't take anymore of this.

Is this what you meant earlier about lynching yourself : (

[AngryPidgeon]

And I don't expect anyone but Penguin, or the scum team if she is scum, to understand why I'm considering my lynch to be the best thing for town today.

K, point of regard.

If you for some reason think PA is scum and doing something that makes you need to be lynched, why not lynch PA first? If she is town, we just saved universal obvtown from being lynched at least. If shes scum, well then we lynched scum.

I think shes town though. IDK whats going on in the neighborhood but TBH what I've seen of penguin here matches her town meta almost perfectly. This isn't scum PA that I've seen who is generally more sheepish and careful. Her town play is really pretty distinct. I mean even CF is admitting that this is town PA and still is scumreading her for something to do with Wicked that sounds like moonbeams.

[AngryPidgeon]

So I'm not scum according to you.

I really do not feel amazing about my reads right now. I know Stalin is town (unless Godfather, but I also protected them last night so Im like 99.9% sure they are town).

Other than Stalin...PA and Tammy look pretty town to me. I feel good about those even if the PA read is nagging me a little cause she hasn't really been around Today.

That leaves 7 people and 4 scum. JSU, Nacho, CF, PV, Magenta, Fox, Red Gary.

Im going to try to rule out unlikely pairings soonish here. Im leaning town on Fox after recent posts and I still think Nacho's posts about mastin look townish although I didnt like him purposely disengaging me today.

I think Magenta is scum. I originally thought you were unlikely to be scum w/ Magenta because you wanted to lynch them Yesterday during the Katsuki thing, but eh. I think it was pretty obvious that Kats was going down (or one of us anyways) and now you are no longer interested in Magenta which makes me

Not Science has done very little and I dislike him getting uppity over lack of townreads on him. You know Im all for calling yourself obvtown, but NS hasnt really done anything to justify believing he IS obvtown considerign he was AFK the entire game, so screw that. All hes done is give his reads and post some EXTREMELY out of date content, and posture on Nacho. His read on NAcho in particular makes little to no sense. I think RG is scum. Brians posts also didnt really do it for me.

So actually I dunno. I think Magenta/RG are -likely- both scum. I think there is a strong chance that JSU/CF are a team, but Im not really read to fully rule anything out yet w/o dedicating some personal peaceful time to this tonight. Oh god my parents are in town, crap that may have to come. I'll make time for this though I swear ><

IDK, tL;dR: I can see any of you 7 being a team, leaning against Foxhound being scum though more than any. Nacho too sort of. Im trying to figure out if I think the enitre Abyss Neighborhood being scum makes an iota of sense or if Nacho/RG makes sense.

[AngryPidgeon]

AP is allergic to answering questions.

lmao, PV is asking for my opinion on WHO HE SHOULD HAVE SHOT.

Pardon me while I give that some serious thought.

FTFY.

I'll make you a deal. If you answer the questions that I have asked like 5 times now over the course of Yesterday and Today, I'll speculate on who you SHOULD shoot.

[AngryPidgeon]

[AngryPidgeon]

3) Ask nacho how many times I've let him slip by/manipulate me in the past few months.

Are you actually scumreading him here?

My biggest beef with your posting Today has been your Nacho stance. Which seems AWFULLY based in a meta level OMGUS.

I could see this being from town, but I just generally find your stance on NAcho to be divey and dislike that you are using this as an excuse for accountability.

[AngryPidgeon]

Make that 250. I lost track.

You have got to be kidding me.

Yes let me just go read CF's entire ISO.

Not like Nacho asked me to waste time reiterating my CF case earlier today which I obliged!

[AngryPidgeon]

I actually already did the very first time you asked.

Mmmm, ok I'll ISO you for it then since apparently I missed it?

Assuming you are actually a Town Vigilante, I sure hope you'd have shot Magenta.

[AngryPidgeon]

Who are Tammy's other 3 choices for scum besides you?

JSU, AP, Nacho, Foxhound, PV, PA, Red Gyarados.

[AngryPidgeon]

He has 4 pages of posts. You have to read less than half. And it'll clear a town player off your list.

Im so sick of this from JSU. Just telling me that Cf is town and I should deal with it.

I have read his posts.

[AngryPidgeon]

Gah, pretending to suspect Tammy always ends in disaster.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: CF

I DID IT.

I VOTED CF.

IT TOOK ME SO LONG TO MUSTER THE GIVE-A-FUCK TO PUSH AGAINST THE TIDE.

P-edit: I don't know. Why isn't Tammy?

[AngryPidgeon]

Im sure that Cf actually had an amazingly protown reason for faking a read on Tammy just now.

totally not just backpedaling scum at all.

Wake up fox. SMELL THE ROSES.

[AngryPidgeon]

I thought she was going to head out so I thought this was a nice time to get more reactions out of people while she's not present to get frustrated.

I fully expect people to vote this until its lynched in their next posts.

[AngryPidgeon]

Post 7193 was actually just a scum claim. PV, please PLEASE stop whtever you are doing. I dont get it.

Nothing CF posted is as town as you are implying. No one wnats to go on your freaking esater egg hunt.

Twon-CF did not just fake all this on Tammy for reactions. Its scum, just stop pandering to it and lynch it.

[AngryPidgeon]

Gah, pretending to suspect Tammy

always ends in disaster.

UNVOTE:

Also, this is a scumslip.

The last time this happened you claimed that it was REAL PARANOIA and that you had a REAL BREAKDOWN because Tammy voted you.

Now you are claiming to have faked it.

[AngryPidgeon]

PV won't even claim his night actions. And hes not going to shoot, I dont get how you think he somehow will.

You had your hands in the cookie jar and this time there is no escape from the cookie police.

Like. If you were actually town, you would have voted the Nacho wagon since you claim to be scumreading Nacho. Instead you runoff and create a sideshow that leads absolutely nowhere and then try to back out of it after Tammy and Fox start suspecting you for it.

[AngryPidgeon]

No, no. Im sure that you had an amazing reason for doing what you did rather than doing something logical like voting for a scumread of yours. Im the idiot for not seeing the genius town motivation behind your posts this game.

Faking things on Tammy sure helped your reads along at all.

Plz give me a neighborhood and self-vote in shame.

P-edit: That doesn't explain why you voted Tammy nor how you possibly could have expected her to simply not be around for this. Im not going to argue this, Im done arguing it. You attempted to buddy PV and then got called out on it and backpedaled. There was no town motivation for it and your NS is town read is just WIFOM after you flip.

And somehow....SOMEHOW you manage to not actually vote the freaking Nacho wagon despite never shutting up about how scum Nacho is this game for mislynching mastin. Or was that Tammy? I dont remember.

Also @PV: I did something EXTREMELY town but its in my ISO somewhere. Im gonna have to ask you to read the first 400 or so posts of your ISO. If you miss it on the first pass through, just try reading it all again.

[AngryPidgeon]

Hearts / Spir Maze. Same as you.

[AngryPidgeon]

I'll talk. My agenda today mostly looks like:
1) lynch CF
2) lynch CF
3) lynch CF
4) get PV to claim his fake night actions

though. Heads up.

[AngryPidgeon]

Who I am voting is irrelevant.

Votes are irrelevant now? Silly me. No, no it makes complete sense for you to just talk about how depressed you are about how over this game is and never actually vote any of your scumreads.

2) Tammy voted me in the middle of me testing PV. I voted her back to see how others would take it.

Right, so your assertion that you expected Tammy to not be around is clearly untrue since she voted you in the middle of all this and you voted her back right away. Saying you thought she wouldn't be around is just a lie. A blatant one at that.

I also said in the neighborhood that I wanted to see reactions so.

If you actually said this before the original post to PV I -might- consider rethinking this. I want confirmation from both of those clowns. And I still haven't ruled out that all 3 of you could just be scum together, so Im not going to just blindly accept this as truth.

The difference is that my fake result actually had a distinct purpose. I noted on D1 that you did not attempt to stop a CLAIMED COP from INVESTIGATING YOU as a MILLER.

I read it overnight and realized that made absolutely zero sense for you to not point that out when I declared intent to investigate you.

Sure, maybe Im a hypocrite : ), but just because I have gambited in the past and just trawled for reactions does not mean I have to accept every claim that someone is doing that as true. In this particular context LOLCONTEXT, I see you agreeing with a PV post that makes no sense and then proceeding to argue with Tammy until she, me, and FH all start WTFing everywhere at which point you took it back.

If you truly had no intention of arguing with Tammy, why did you keep up the premise when she started pushing back?? Why didnt you drop it the instant things didnt go as PLANNED?

[AngryPidgeon]

DV. Is this DV?

Who are your top 3 lynches right now?

[AngryPidgeon]

I cant convince you to actively want to lynch CF?

[AngryPidgeon]

UNVOTE: ; VOTE: AP

Ok lets just lynch me Today.

When I flip town, I want you all to lynch Cf. Im sure it'll just be more of "WOW, I cant believe msatin was wrong! huh, Im shocked, mastin was so on her game this game!" or "Oh, I was just reaction testing with my scumread on AP. I told everyone in the neighborhood that I was going to so its ok."

Im the one mislynch we can give. Stalin dies tonight after I flip town.


Just lynch this after Im gone please. Then lynch PV unless he actually starts shaping up to a town wincon which probably wont happen seeing as how he has rolled scum.

All the idiots in this game are too indecisive to do anything.

NS wont help me lynch CF. Foxhound is just doing whatever, idgi. Nacho is either scum with CF or just getting manipulated to hell.

NEVER LYNCH: PA, Tammy, Stalin, Fox.

Good luck everyone, please put me out of my misery. Im so sick of everyone giving CF a pass and letting him continue to post horseshit about how I must be a godfather despite my night action results being confirmed on literally 3 nights now and being cleared by JSU, his strong townread. Cf and JSU both need to go. Then probably Magenta and PV.

Oh and Im scum because his push on RBD was SO TOWN and his push on Mastin was actually not his fault, he never did that, that was all Tammy setting him up, wait no that scumread on Tammy was just faked for reactions LOLHUGS ILU TAMMY.

GG.

[AngryPidgeon]

I don't get the scumslip bit

can you explain it to me like I'm five

Earlier this game (start of D3) Tammy voted him and he had this really faked freak out in which he called Tammy confirmed scum and was like "omg I cant believe I didnt see this before"

When he posted "Sigh, faking suspicion Tammy backfired

again

" I took it to mean he was referring to the start of D3 which he explicitly said was real at the time.

Now he is denying that the "again" part has to do with this game, but I just. I just cant argue against all these gymnastics. I dont know where the truth begins and what of it is bullshit. Im not going to PbP argue all these things again when I just

know

that CF is scum and sure hes probably being truthful or intentionally doing some things, but hes scum. This whole recent shenanigans is just carnival of lunacy at best and I want it voted so I can be full of myself post game. Its like anything goes, I can see it. Were mislynching some random townie Today like Nacho and then Im getting killed and PA is going down in Lylo despite my ability to read her and claling her obvtown.

[AngryPidgeon]

Yes, I see that. Fine, I'll retract that post.

Im not going to get caught up in point-by-point arguments anymore.

Your play here makes zero sense from town.

I don't know if you are just trying to derail the Nacho wagon or just carnival of lunacy or what, but Im over it.

[AngryPidgeon]

The one thing my reaction test did was ABSOLUTELY confirm beyond a doubt that AP is scum. I'll eat a hat if I'm wrong about this.

Yes your reads are godlike, help me lynch myself please.

You earned it.

Me finding you scummy over blatant horseshit clearly means Im just scum.

[AngryPidgeon]

Oh this is awkward, I thought you wouldnt be around when I was tryingto push this lynch on myself.

You said you were going away, crap.

[AngryPidgeon]

I want to get lynched so I can just see your reaction tomorrow in thread. Im 100% serious.

I want to see just how your poor brain is going to handle all this cognitive dissonance. Fake or real it should be amazing.

Actually probalby not.

Im probably just going to be a death Godfather for sure. Its the only thing that makes sense seeing as how my scumrole literally does everything.

[AngryPidgeon]

AP, did you ever vote yourself as town out of frustration?

Yes.

[AngryPidgeon]

JUST NOW.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[AngryPidgeon]

Like you said my pretending to be suspicious had to do with early D3.

I pointed out that I wasn't referring to this game at all.

Then you are again saying that I am suspicious for it and can't grasp the mental gymnastics that I was referring to a different game? Like, are you five?

No I just think you are scum and I dont care what parts of your posts I technically correctly nailed you for and which parts are just you flailing around legitimately.

[AngryPidgeon]

How about in the past?

Because if you never did, this feels like theatrics.

Ask Nacho! I'm sure he could tell you one or three!

[AngryPidgeon]

Im just so over this game.

Everyone in this game has an ego the size of a fucking blimp.

No one in this game is actually willing to lay a vote down on a wagon to get anything done.

All thats happened is we are now approaching 300 pages of fucking NOTHING except repeating the same points and people being too stubborn to actually do anything.

PV wont even claim his night action but hes LOLTOWN VIGCLAIM LOLOL.

You just admitted to faking a scumread on Tammy and are trying to take it back and Im scummy for being even remotely suspicious about how much of that is true, how much is just flailing. And even if it WAS all planned, I just cant see it being from town. It doesnt fit with what I've see you doing the rest of this game.

Yes Im freaking frustrated. The intertia in this town. The derp. The "Oh ya just read the firts 250 pages of CF's ISO, that'll clear it on up".

PVs reaction to you didnt look WEIRD AS HELL? I mean he clearly isnt reading the game, but wow.

[AngryPidgeon]

Oh and Magenta has done actually nothing this game Day except soft a roleblock on myself and Stalin and deny being a roleblocker.

How are they still alive?

[AngryPidgeon]

I actually think it odd that RG didn't react to the whole CF thing despite having CF as a scumread.

No, that just makes NS obviously town clearly.

[AngryPidgeon]

VOTE: CabronFiber

[AngryPidgeon]

Just Sheep Us, if the scumteam is Nacho/Fox/AP/Penguin, if we lynch Magenta today, we're screwed.

Think about what's optimal for town right now.

If the scumteam is AP/Magenta/Fox/PA and we lynch NAcho Today, we're screwed.

If the scumteam is AP/Magenta/Fox/NAcho and we lynch PA today, we're screwed.

If the scumteam is AP/Magenta/PA/NAcho and we lynch Fox today, we're screwed.

[AngryPidgeon]

Everyone in this game has an ego the size of a fucking blimp.

ftr my ego is more pertaining to my obvtownity

I know my reads are usually shit

Frankly, I get that this is your schtick and all that, but why do you think you look town in this game?

Like some thing concrete please. Im all for calling yourself town, but you really have been AFK from this game since forever so Im not totally buying that you think it. Transparency is great.

[AngryPidgeon]

I'm not scumclaiming, I want you to vote me because I assessed the state of the town right now and realized that me getting lynched before LYLO gives us a better chance of a win.

Are you off the wagon for moral/idealistic reasons?

[AngryPidgeon]

So I have a better idea of whether you're just making it up or not

No, you dont understand.

Everything CF does is the quintessence of scumhunting.

Not seeing how obvious it is or actually, god forbid,

pressing him on it

is tantamount to claiming scum in thread.

[AngryPidgeon]

Actually I just feel like I'm on "Notscience says the Darndest things"

Who is bill cosby?

[AngryPidgeon]

But I'm too worried about being manipulated

NS why are you voting Tammy?

[AngryPidgeon]

WHO'S UP FOR A LATE NIGHT UNBIRTHDAY PARTY WITH DV?

Happy birthday!!
Mine is in 3 days, wooo

[AngryPidgeon]

Im just sort of fading out again.

@BRO: Anyone in that list other than Penguin is fine with me I guess. I lean town on Fox and RG a little but Im probably wrong about one of them.

VOTE: magenta

[AngryPidgeon]

Why did you specifically say "Cleared via our role" when beli/ffery wasn't?

.....................................................................................................


ap is clear

ap has an innocent result on beliffery

beliffery is clear

Logic too difficult; does not compute.

Wait, what if Stalin is an Amnesiac Follower Godfather though?

[AngryPidgeon]

Hi

[AngryPidgeon]

Ugh

w/e

VOTE: Foxhound

Wow.

I can't come up with another way CF would do something this ridiculous as scum, so that's what I'm going with.

If you can't think of a way why I would play the way I'm playing as scum, it means I'm TOWN, you idiot.

Anyways, what hapenned to your Nacho scumread?

Wow.

I really want to see how AP/JSU managed to backtrack away from an AP wagon.

Well I backtracked away from it because I dont particularly feel like mislynching myself. JSU backed away from it because they either have an

innocent result

on me or are committed to faking one regardless.

I really don't understand how you let AP rush a 1v1 counterclaim

Katsuki was faking a GUILTY RESULT on me. Yes I wanted to lynch that shit, are you kidding me right now? Maybe he wsa actually roleblocked, I don't know. I am 110% certain that my role succeeded and he claimed that it didn't. I even had someone external VERIFY that my role worked AND confirm my alignment. I don't know if Katsuki faked that shit or what but it needed to die.

They claim that reads ought to be re-evaluated and people are scummy for not doing so.

You are either confirmation biasing on this one (you would be scum reading me independent of anything that could have changed) or just being opportunistic. You have made one singular point (appeal to authority) to support a scumread on me and its not like that takes any effort to come up with. So no, you've never put any notable effort into reevaluating where you went wrong. Using this tiny detail as a crutch to 'counter' Fox's point (about you?) is ridiculous.

[AngryPidgeon]

Seriously? You just talk me into actually sheeping you and now this?

Where did your magenta scumread go? I remember you trying to counterwagon Katsuki with them on D3. Or am I going foggy after the crash.

[AngryPidgeon]

I've only read bits and pieces of this day. And although I don't want to read the entirety of it, I feel like I'm going to end up doing it because I really want to see how AP/JSU managed to backtrack away from an AP wagon.

It's like, Katsuki claims a straight up counter-claim towards AP's night action. AP rushes the counterwagon through and all of a sudden he's no longer eligible for a lynch? I really have to find out what kool-aid you've all been drinking.

And I've seen JSU's response in thread. I don't really care. I think JSU's scum anyways. And barring AP flipping some godfather role with a night action, I'm completely okay with lynching JSU if it leads towards an AP lynch. Nacho is also an acceptable lynch for me. But I know this town won't lynch him.

Like, I really don't understand how you let AP rush a 1v1 counterclaim and just let him walk away, barring some role madness nonsense like a bus driver or whatever. He's probably just scum. Like, really.

Thank fucking god. Finally someone that makes sense and restored my faith in this game.

The bolded is so fucking true and if there is one person I absolutely want to lynch, it is AP. But no one else besides the two of us are going to vote him so tough luck there. We'll have to lynch other scum first.

Ok, go ahead and ignore that RG thinks JSU is scum and keep trucking right along and sucking up to them. Lets go over what happened. RG claimed to be roleblocked. Stalin claimed to be roleblocked (and is pretty confirmed town + has a role that can be sort of verified blocked.) I get an innocent result on Stalin. JSU has CONFIRMED MY ACTION and CONFIRMED MY CLAIM. Your belief that JSU is town and I somehow am not is so mindblowingly bad I cant believe it. I had to either believe that there are (3?) Mafia Roleblockers in the game and blocked all of Stalin, RG, and Katsuki for Katsuki to somehow be telling the truth in this situation...or Katsuki was just making shit up. I KNOW my role succeeded. Katsuki was lying. You can go ahead and rectify that in your headspace somehow, but you are explicitly ignoring that I can, would, and DID do exactly what I did as town. If you think JSU is town then Katsuki is STILL confirmed roleblocked as is Stalin. So this sort of takes me back around to RG who are also claiming to have been blocked on N2. Right. Thats not suspicious at all.

I actually think there is a pretty damn good chance Fox and Hound are scum with AP. First they accuse me of not pushing AP hard enough going so far as to say that AP and I could be scum together. Then when I try to get their help in lynching AP, they dodge my questions saying they don't have a read on AP. Then, later on, they change their read on AP to town and claim that I am scum because I am not trying to get town-AP lynched and am not taking a leaderhip role in driving lynches. This again is bullshit because I have done so D1 and D2 and it is not like my alignment changed mid-game.

Lets see. Foxhound says you and I might be scum together for not pushing me hard. Now Foxhound says you and I might be scum together for not pushing me hard. Ok man. I really don't get how you can convince yourself of half the things you post.

Secondly, they've been townreading me most of the game, but when I express suspicion of them, DV does a massive charade of going through all of my posts, claiming my early posts are townish, then that my later posts are scummy, and finally "concluding" from his massive amount of shit analysis that I am scum. Like, the whole thing feels so contrived and fake like pretending to be thoughtful and towny.

This is so loaded and confirmation biasy.

[AngryPidgeon]

Ok, I'm trying to remember exactly how I felt about everyone.

CF - miller
JSU - Even Tracker Pseudo Cop
Tammy - ???
PA - Inventor?
Magenta - softed roleblocker or something and took it back. Had that Day 1 thing.
PV - 1 shot janitor vig
Nacho - ???
Fox - ???
Stalin Amnesiac Follower / Confirmed town
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I recall thinking PA is town but not exactly why. Tammy has looked fairly town all game and stalin is confirmed.

Bot lynching any of those 3 Today.

{PV, Nacho, magenta, Fox, JSU, RG, CF}.

PV's claimed actions are still divey; need to reread, can't remember how I felt about his non-role play.
Nacho - I remember thinking something to do with his mastin interactions looked town, I think I had him leaning town?
Magenta - Sketchy claims about role, kept asking me and (Stalin?) about our actions IIRC?
Fox - Cant remember how I felt about them. Have they claimed?
JSU - Could be scum, probably not with CF? Need to evaluate that, but I recall thinking that.
CF - My god. I wish I didn't have to read about my Godfather role in every post its, v incriminating. I like it more when people just accept JSU's inno on me. Could be scum with Nacho? I remember thinking the neighborhood had some weirdness going on in it.
RG - If katsuki wasn't bullshitting, then he is the 3rd RB on N2 and the only unconfirmed one. Disliked Brian's recent wall about lynching JSU first to get to me unless Im a GF. The chronology of that was hard to follow. I remember NS coming in and calling himself town and then circlejerking around. Not sure how I feel.

I think my top priority sorts are JSU/Nacho/RG/CF.

[AngryPidgeon]

...Or because his fakeclaim was miller.
It baffles me that this is hard for you to come up with.
I really expect you to think less linearly than you have this whole game.

I brought this up and got shit on. Its not like mods do that or anything (Gay mafia).

[AngryPidgeon]

I hate everything.

[AngryPidgeon]

Why would scum-sheep fake a guilty on you? Not mafia-thoery why, this-game-in-particular why.

Scum-sheep didn't fake a guilty on me.

Assuming you meant innocent though: I don't know? If they are scum and roleblocked Katsuki then backing me up definitely encourages the me v Katsuki dichotomy.

It even gave me confidence. My ability is wacky as hell and I never got an answer from Cabd about how exactly I show up to trackers/watchers which is somewhat expected.

I can easily see scum JSU backing me when they know Katsuki is wrong because it gave me confidence and it did snowball into a Katsuki lynch. Im not trying to push all the blame for that onto them, but this has/does occur to me so Im getting it out there. If they hadn't backed me, I may have been lynched which (probably, who the hell knows?) would have ended up with Katsuki getting lynched the next Day so I can see why doing nothing is a viable scum option for them. I think BROseidon is more of a Feeling cogitator than Thinking though so I dont 100% expect him to think that through precisely like that. I think its totally plausible for him to have backed me in an effort to get Katsuki lynched and attempt to get me on his side since I've been waffling about them all game.

My primary beef with Magenta is their roleblock soft on me/Stalin and then evading talking about this after I ask them if they are softing global RB or something. And ya like you said, how many separate powers do they have?

[AngryPidgeon]

I REALLY REALLY want to know how the AP brain thinks [Katsuki making shit up] instead of thinking [Red Gary lying scum].

Well I don't think Katsuki was just making it up at this point. It would be beyond Antitown to lie about his target all the way down.

Which leads me to either
1) 3 RBs in one night??
2) RG is lying.

The point of what I was saying there was that that all makes RG look ridiculously bad and why they are on my sortlist.

[AngryPidgeon]

Some crazy shit CONFIRMED TOWN lied and unknown player is TOWN (to you).

The "Katsuki is lying" statement was my perspective at the time when he "CCd'" me, not my current one. Well, I hope its unlikely that Katsuki was lying now.

[AngryPidgeon]

Did RG claim that their role fails on certain flavor? I vaguely recall some spec about that, but I cant remember. How likely is it that Katsuki was redirected to them that Day?

[AngryPidgeon]

Dat editing the quote.

pedit: I'm ENTJ

I've been doing a silly side project (fun quiz/survey to come?) trying to map personality types to mastin's 5 'town roles' she posted in MD a while back. I have you down as a probable analyzer. Maybe you are more of a planner? You seem to direct for that. You need to be ESTJ for me to feel happy about the state of my project, sorry

[AngryPidgeon]

What is your read on CF?

[AngryPidgeon]

Hey guys, fun fact.

PV is NOT a replica. Other submits: JSU, RG.

I am sucking this game and I can't even think of why. I think Im going to just reread my D1 opinions and sheep past-me since past-me was evidently right about Bork being a scumbutt.

[AngryPidgeon]

Also who got neighborized yesterday?

[AngryPidgeon]

If I recall correctly, past-you had two suspects me and Nacho and Bork.

Nacho and Bork were the same slot? I actually don't recall the state of my reads on D1 other than thinking Bork was scum for actually doing nothing and getting really omgusy when I called him out on it.
Oh and ya I think I thought PV was scum and also you. And maybe GIF. Lol.

ANYWAYS (I need the minor victories this game >.>)

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I don't know about Magenta. I need to ISO them. I remember finding Mara to be dodgy for taking so much interest in me/Stalin's night actions despite her supposedly? being vanilla now. So unsure, probably not my top choice right now.

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Why am I a moron? For mostly ignoring Nacho? I'll give you that.

[AngryPidgeon]

Oh for the Pv investigate. I know, fuck me. Im just glad hes gone so I can stop fretting about him at least (sorry PV).

[AngryPidgeon]

YOU SHOULD KNOW I'M TOWN BY NOW.

Oh we're still shouting this at me in all caps are we?

Yes I get that I investigated someone who got NKd.

No, PV was not a universal townread for everyone.

Has PA even claimed a night action? Why wouldn't you investigate RG or some shit who has claimed to explicitly have a night action?

[AngryPidgeon]

And if PA is scum and DI take a night action, you just botched our opportunity to catch anyone lying >.>

[AngryPidgeon]

I'm more pissed that you didn't find him obvtown after day 1, more than anything else.

PV? I mean I guess. I correctly identified that he was lying about his role, I just didn't make the leap that he was town and trying to draw an NK/roleblock, so fuck me.

I WAS 100% right that all his crap about who he targeted and should have targeted was dodgy.

[AngryPidgeon]

I will catch up tonight, hopefully, but I'll be interested if anyone claims to have been blocked last night. >_>

It's possible that I was blocked.

Is that what you were confirming with Cabd? (That you have no way of knowing?)

Im gonna guess that PV was blocked if anyone. (Especially assuming Magenat actually is scum).

P-edit: Ya, expected / 10. troll mod is made of troll and wacky roles.

[AngryPidgeon]

magenta_thegreat (1):

AngryPidgeon

CarbonFiber (1): Penguin_Alien
The Fox and the Hound (3): magenta_thegreat,

Just Sheep Us

,

Breakfast With Stalin

Nachomamma8 (5):

PeregrineV

, CarbonFiber, The Fox and the Hound,

Titan

, Red Gyarados, [JSU]

So I've been semi site flaking over the past few days. Looking to see where the state of the votes were here.

Colored in town as green, Tammy as blue since she feels town enough that I will nominate her for Best Mafia Performance if she actually flips mafia at this point. God I need to not say that though, cause it makes me wanna waffle, but I will be resilient.

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Kind of interesting, looking over this part. PV starts the Nacho wagon and JSU counter-votes Fox. Stalin votes Fox, CF calls Nacho out and he/Fox have a little squabble it looks like. Apparently I missed a few pages back there. PV tries to get JSU to vote Nacho and they take Nacho out of their official lynchlist right after.

And can we go back to how much I love that the scum team is winning this by doing absolutely nothing.

What inspired you to say this? If you think Magenta is scum, I can buy that since they aren't doing much. Is this just how you feel about the game state or is this just a giant collective posture about all of your scumreads?

CF moves from Fox to Nacho. Fox votes Nacho. Hm.

If Fox is town, then CF's vote looks pretty town and RG/JSU + {...PA/Magenta?} makes the most sense as last minute bussers, with JSU's vote being kind of awkward. I guess JSU had little to no reservations about voting alongside a scumread or two, not sure who their favorite lynch was yesterday (magenta?).

If Fox is scum, then I'd have to think about this a bit.I'd probably be less inclined to lynch Magenta at least.

[AngryPidgeon]

Putting 2 and 2 together. When did Nacho talk about Fox in the pt? Maybe he was apathetic about being lynched because he was intentionally throwing people off of them? Random gym thought.

[AngryPidgeon]

Wow you did not just call yourself that >.>

[AngryPidgeon]

I could be wrong about this, by the way. Did AP JK Beli before or after Katsuki CC'ed him?

You are thinking of the time I just investigated them and got an innocent result.

And I claimed it at day start. And then Katsuki was like "lol no" and JSU was like "lol ya"

[AngryPidgeon]

BWS is an amnesiac follower?

[AngryPidgeon]

I guess I support mass claim today although I really don't expect much insight.

[AngryPidgeon]

Fox
RG
PA
That order sounds good.

[AngryPidgeon]

Imma try and figure out where I want to vote hopefully soon ish.

Im extremely exhausted right from a combo of factors, hopefully can take a nap and get to this tonight.

[AngryPidgeon]

Huh.

That role seems mostly useless, lol.

[AngryPidgeon]

Oh I forgot PA hadn't claimed. Yeh Im sort of off balance with what is now clearly a cold so bear with me. Im only typing cause my head is too on fire to laydown.

[AngryPidgeon]

Also, AP are you a child/adult/beast? And Male/Female?

Adult Male I believe.

N3: Fox. Notty and I both thought AP was going to be a scumlynch after what happened Day 3. We decided to check either Fox/PA, and I convinced him that we should check Fox. My role didn't fail, but I didn't receive anything in return (I actually had no idea what role Fox had, but I didn't want to give up any leverage of what my result on them could be). According to Cabd (I went great lengths to make sure I understood how my role worked), it shouldn't matter whether or not their role fails. As long as my role succeeds and they take a night action, I should be able to copy them. I can verify this with him again if you want me to.

Errrrr. So you knew you were blocked on N2 because you still had your 1-shot left? You didn't after N3, but you also didn't get to take any action? They knew your role name though so the only way they are BSing is if they are scum and someone else on their team is actually a flavor cop? Which seems..unlikely?

[AngryPidgeon]

N4: Followed CF, results to Tammy, but no result so I'm presuming she won't be able to confirm this.

N3: CF, we were blocked

Has anyone actually successfully targeted CF?

[AngryPidgeon]

Yes, they're right about me being an Artist. Which makes me think they're claiming something like flavorcop or rolecop. If Fox is scum, then they probably have one on their team. But that doesn't mean they have to be one themselves.

They did claim flavor cop. This just seems really unlikely though. If they have a buddy who is actually what they are claiming, then they get turbolynched if that person flips.

Are you like 100% sure you understand how your role works?

[AngryPidgeon]

ANGRY PIDGEON - SERIOUSLY? SERIOUSLY? i am working on that and not ALL the time. maybe like 85% of the time! but not all! and one day i will become jaded and just not care!!! so I'm told.

I sorry. Reck told me to call someone out and I was drawing blanks : (

[AngryPidgeon]

Also, I straight up CC'ed Fox's night action.

Because they are also claiming their role failed. I find it morel likely that they are being honest about their role, regardless of their alignment here. And you can rolecopy an action even if it fails? Eh?

[AngryPidgeon]

That's what I was told.

And I stand by my accusation of Fox being lying scum.

This is just so hard to take in though?

Fox has proven that he has information he could only have if he were a flavor cop. the one night you are claiming to target him, hes claiming to be blocked.

I mean I dont get it. He could only be lying if someone on his team is a flavor cop which just makes zero fucking sense to do

[AngryPidgeon]

I told you, we're not sorting my shit out in any possible lylo situation.

Why are you suddenly so sure that Magenta is a mislynch?

[AngryPidgeon]

When did I say Magenta is a mislynch? I'm saying we can't flip Magenta without resolving my CC first. End of story. Get your head out of your ass if town, plox.

Ya ok, but that isn't what you said before.

And you are still trying to argue that someone is lying about a role that they are now confirmed to have. And the argument that they are claimign a scum buddies role for them is shit. I dont know what is going on here.

[AngryPidgeon]

Where the hell is foxhound. Can the people who actually give a shit about this situation have a power hour and figure out what exactly is going down? Its like Fox is mostly apathetic to this all going down, RG is convinced their role works a certain way that seems unlikely, and I have no idea what CF thinks of RG's whole spheal right now, but Im not going to deal with what happens if we lynch Fox and they are town unless we are beyond any doubt that Rg is just making this shit up in that case.

[AngryPidgeon]

I'd like to hear your off the cuff thoughts right now even if you dont like them yet.

[AngryPidgeon]

N1: Yggdra Union- evolving fonic JOAT (no idea why fonic isn't in their flip)
N2: RG- Artist (no, I have no idea what that is, that's why we're shitty)

Ya, I just doubt they are lying though? Their tidbit about Yggdra sounds really genuine and we have now confirmed that they knew RG's rolename. Rg is claiming to have failed on them...the night that they apparently had their role not work. And the plausibility of them claiming something incriminating when a buddy flips is.. ??? That would only make sense if that buddy were like JSU (maybe?) or Tammy. Still.

[AngryPidgeon]

I'd like to hear your off the cuff thoughts right now even if you dont like them yet.

Off the cuff: Scum have daytalk. This would be very easy to coordinate in a scum/scum situation.

I guess I could see it? ITs sort of making me want to lynch outside them.

The thing weirding me out is Fox's general apathy and RGs flip-flop on how important this is to him.

[AngryPidgeon]

WAIT A MINUTE.

WAS THAT THE SAME NIGHT AS KATSUKI'S ACTION?

OK totally random theory, but what if Katsuki's action got bussed/redirected onto one of these 2 somehow? Would that possibly explain this weirdness?

[AngryPidgeon]

I think you misunderstand what I'm thinking. My gut response is to avoid looking at them today which makes me sort of agree with JSus theory on a gut level. If you wanna know who I think is scum with them if that is the case then I dunno.

[AngryPidgeon]

Also it would be greaaat if JSU could confirm fox by tracking them but that's a long wait.

[AngryPidgeon]

Since we are all agreed that Magenta is scum, AP, how do you feel about lynching Magenta today?

Feeling sort of blanked in this game after the site outage. Let me try and figure out how I feel about everything soonish.

[AngryPidgeon]

ok so who other than Cephrir is scum?

Ive been skimming some old pages and kind of remembering where Im at.

[AngryPidgeon]

So me. got it. awesome.

[AngryPidgeon]

There are < 9 people left in the game so my role no longer does anything.

I did get Stalin's amensiac result though. Foxhound investigated something last night, I can confirm that.

[AngryPidgeon]

JSU I want to know who you think is scum. With really convincing hutzpah behind it.

[AngryPidgeon]

Because I really think its just you.

I'm town. Fox's result makes CF look somewhat town actually? The fact that Fox is claiming that result also makes them look kind of town. I guess they could be scum with CF. Fuck actually thats possible.

Tammy...I don't know. Im not going to writer her off anymore, the multiple days of self-voting and apparently lakc of desire to lynch PA who she thinks is bamboozling her is not going to fly any more. Feeling somewhat similarly about PA, who has been kind of V/LA and not doing much.

RG/Fox....ugh.

JSU..why do you guys look like scum?

[AngryPidgeon]

2) The veracity of my assumption on CF (FoxHound's investigative results point towards CF being town, I think, based on the vanilla goon PM in the first post).

What was that one role that Cf kept referring to in the other game? Something about a Godfather that can look like whatever it wants?

Is it possible there is a role in the game that could change what its rolename would appear as? CF seemed awfully adamant about something along those lines existing.

[AngryPidgeon]

FoxHound/RG would have to have decided to scum theatre from a relatively strong position (

magenta lynch was going to happen

, and penguin's in a much weaker position than Tammy). It wouldn't make sense to make that sort of move there.

Yes except the underlined is exactly what would make it a viable option? Magenta still got lynched, no one showed any interest in voting either of them.

[AngryPidgeon]

Well most roles you would fake are going to end up being accountable to where they are tracked and what info they can produce.

[AngryPidgeon]

Well which do you believe lol - you said you think they ARE just scum at this point. If they are scum together then obviously the point is that one of them may go down and the other gets townread for the whole situation.

[AngryPidgeon]

I dislike that you aren't giving me something solid. I realize that you are presented with conflicting information but it feels like you are trying to keep as many avenues open as possible.

[AngryPidgeon]

Also I dislike that you were on the RBD, mastin, Katsuki, and Magenta wagons. The only person that was also on all those last 3 was PA afaicr.

The Nacho wagon seems really uninformative to me.

[AngryPidgeon]

What went down in the neighborhood last night? I dont know how much you are allowed to quote but Id like to know how you both responded to magenta's flip.

[AngryPidgeon]

I realize that. I was asking you specifically to make a judgement call and all I got was a rundown of how everyone could be scum.

[AngryPidgeon]

Well I'm slightly more inclined to trust Fox since they have essentially confirmed they know at least 2 peoples names and I got a PM confirming that they took an investigative action. Also if you could conftown them or something, that'd be amazing. Assuming of course you are town. But Im not sure I'd be inclined totrust anything that happened there since there seems to be another source of roleblocks unaccounted for[1] and the odds of you both being town is kind of low.

[1] Citation needed.

[AngryPidgeon]

Scum can have investigative PRs.

No shit, sherlock. But Rg is sort of kind of claiming that Fox is lying about their role and, from multiple angles, I don't see that they are.

[AngryPidgeon]

RG's contesting that one result couldn't have happened based on their role, iirc.

Also, if RG is scum lying about one of FoxHound getting a result, that negates the scum-theatre case how, exactly?

Yes I realize that. Nothing has happened to show that one/none/both of these players is lying or not.

But Fox has correctly identified RG's role name. They (sortof) correctly guessed CF's rolename Today, I'll give them that their actions make sense assuming they knew it. I also KNOW they have taken an investigative action last night.

So if RG is town and Fox is scum, what gives? Fox pretty clearly has the role they are claiming or at least something very similar.

[AngryPidgeon]

What you've just posted is a pretty compelling argument against the second case, but what about the first and third? Does the information provided say that either of those aren't possible? I'm arguing that the Scum/Scum instance is most likely.

No, I suppose that either of those is possible, which sort of points to RG being scum. Im having a hard time committing to that belief for whatever reason though, part of me just wants to ignore everything thats happened between them.

[AngryPidgeon]

Can you explain to me why JSU is town for their play?

[AngryPidgeon]

for now since you don't like it but I expect you to pick up the pace and do something tomorrow or whenever you are out of V/LA and can find time for this game. If I'm wrong about Fox, there is only one possibility that makes sense which is an RG/AP/Penguin team and they haven't hammered because Penguin hasn't been online since my vote.

that logic applies for any team with PA on it.

[AngryPidgeon]

So, AP: any reason you posted plenty in the Speakeasy thread and elsewhere since my vote and unvote but no posts in here in the in-between time?

Yes, the speakeasy thread is interesting.

I didn't really have anything to add here.

[AngryPidgeon]

for now since you don't like it but I expect you to pick up the pace and do something tomorrow or whenever you are out of V/LA and can find time for this game. If I'm wrong about Fox, there is only one possibility that makes sense which is an RG/AP/Penguin team and they haven't hammered because Penguin hasn't been online since my vote.

that logic applies for any team with PA on it.

That made sense in my head where Tammy is a mod confirmed innocent child treestump and JSU are masons with me.

Right, so you are just confirmation biasing again.

[AngryPidgeon]

I'm feeling ridiculously demotivated in this game. Can I have 24 hours to get my he'd back in this.

[AngryPidgeon]

AngryPidgeon, what is your read on Penguin at this point?

Any answer I give to this is going to involve PoE for the most part. And thats all going to come down to hypothetical teams probably?

But I really don't have a read on her either way.

[AngryPidgeon]

I also thought that the way their claim matched up with previous remarks on their role in a 'not perfect but makes total sense' way, is something very likely to come from town and not very likely from scum.

Can you expand on this? I have no idea what you are referencing.

What I do know though, is that lynching us will result in town's loss, and it would be negligent of me to not at least try and change this. I have no idea how to do this. I've already been more crazy than I'm comfortable with this game (I'm sorry to everyone for that, especially Ceph) so I'm not going to do what has probably become my signature DV-approaches-lynch freak-out. I can't change our role to an innocent child instantaneously and confirm ourselves as town. My plan at the moment (I'm really just making this up as I go along) is to just keep talking and hope that in doing so, maybe something will click. I don't know.

This is some really tasty AtE.

So you guys think PA/RG/ and who would you speculate is scum slot 3? Supposedly you think BRO is still town. CF?

[AngryPidgeon]

:/ :\ :/

I'm pretty concerned about Tammy/JSU/{RG/Fox} being a team, but its pretty much GG if that is the case so I won't stress too hard about it.

[AngryPidgeon]

I'm leaning F&H right now, but I don't want to vote lest scum go nuts if I'm wrong. Stupid XyLo games.

This is purely just because of Fox saying something about trying to figure out how they could both be town? Explain why you think thats scummy plz.

[AngryPidgeon]

If Tammy and JSU are scum its almost defo with Fox though.

[AngryPidgeon]

I don't see any point to that. One of Fox/RG is scum unless IDK who the scum team could possibly be to have not ended this by now.

[AngryPidgeon]

PA is being useless though and that is frustrating.

[AngryPidgeon]

I guess I don't understand why anyone is sure that PA is scum. Actually I understand why people are there, I just vehemently disagree with the PoE that got them there.

[AngryPidgeon]

Tammy: You thought you were going to die over the night. Why were you trying to get yourself lynched since the net effect would still be the same (but with a wasted lynch?)

[AngryPidgeon]

What is bugging me is that you are keeping every option open.

And? This isn't bugging you about Tammy. I'll waffle if I wanna. I'll leave my friends behind.

I've felt demotivated ever since Katsuki flipped town and the site outage just sort of made that even worse since I actually forgot things that happened on top of that. The magenta mislynch just got us a ticket to lylo and I don't have anyone that I'd be willing to bet money on being town right now. And the odds of winning this look really abysmal and I expect to die tonight even if we do lynch correctly Today.

You are calling people conftown and.. ok? Im the only conftown in the thread unless you want to tell me JSU is scum with me and {RG/Fox}.

Forgive me for not seeing shit from your perspective when you have JSU as more town than me (wtf).

[AngryPidgeon]

You still think there is a chance Tammy is scum

Yes? Yes I do.

She literally spent the last 2 game Days self-voting and talking about how she needs to be lynched because she might die at night. If she truly distrusted PA THAT MUCH why isn't she voting PA. IDGI. This doesn't make her scum but it still blows my mind. I do have a level of respect for Tammy that demands more than what I'm seeing. And I got rolled by her pretty hard in 2 many heads after she duped the town hard n D1 with AtE and emotional horseshit. So yes, I don't see a particularly compelling reason to write Tammy off given that she's been "conftown" all game and is still around.

[AngryPidgeon]

vote: red gyarados

Thats all? Can you please PLEASE convince me this isn't a scum-motivated misvote?

[AngryPidgeon]

Well, this at least confirms that AP and I aren't scum together if RG is town.

etc

[AngryPidgeon]

they aren't town though

Ugh, I want to just vote them. It'll confirm a bunch of people if they don't hammer and if they are scum, it'll confirm them as scum pretty soon.

I think I'm pretty much going to sit on my hands for the near future. I can spend hours waffling about who I think is scum. If there is no QL, I can at least narrow shit down sanely.

[AngryPidgeon]

Tammy why is N using your cat as his avatar?

[AngryPidgeon]

1) Ok, but this nonsense feels like its been going for a while
2) You made it to endgame. I had reservations about voting you on D1 after your meltdown. I was AFK the next Day phase.
3) Your partner being who? JSU? I mean I guess. I don't think that team I pitched was particularly likely, just on my head at the time.

[AngryPidgeon]

Tammy, what do you think about JSU?

It feels like you are the only other player in the game not loltown reading them.

[AngryPidgeon]

I think his suspicion of me today feels weird considering he's spent most of the game calling me town.

I'd expect you to be sympathetic to me not really wanting to call anyone town right now.

I know I'm town. I suspect JSU might not be thus making me not actually confirmed. I have been under suspicion most of the game so Im not overly surprised that Im still here.

[AngryPidgeon]

wtf. I'm not even saying I think its likely that Tammy is scum. I'm just in my own head right now and the most paranoia induced scum team I am fretting about is JSU/Tammy so I mentioned it so people know whats on my mind. Jesus.

[AngryPidgeon]

That's fine. What I am getting at is that suspecting everyone makes sense from Tammy's POV because she's obvtown. Suspecting everyone doesn't make sense from anyone's else POV because they have at least one player that's obvtown as an anchor so I wouldn't expect similar mindsets which is why your paranoia bothered me.

Meh. I keep forgetting we've never played together before?

calling people town and then getting crippling doubt about it is my trademark.

[AngryPidgeon]

not recognizing the paranoia that lead me to wanting to be lynched

Im trying to think this through logically or at least understand what you were feeling would happen.

Assume its 6:3 mylo. You think that if we lynch town, you die at night and we go to 3:3 and lose.

Ok.

Now from your perspective, PA -has- to be scum for this to happen. So why not lynch PA, go to 6:2, and then its 4:2 after you die at night?

AOr did you think more than just you was going to die?

If we lynch you, it still goes to 4:3 and we still no jackshit about PA or magenta or anything. so I just don't see how you thought that lynching yourself was logical even if you though felt you were slated to die.

[AngryPidgeon]

Assume its 6:3 mylo.

Errr thats not mylo. I meant "phase before lylo"

[AngryPidgeon]

Well scum have daytalk so they don't need to set up the hammer here.

Also I think everyone has checked in just now.

[AngryPidgeon]

Really now, Penguin? When FH had two votes on him, you say that you are leaning towards them but don't want to vote because scum might hammer. Now that RG has two votes on them, you lean back towards them and hedge massively, and say you'll show up later. I'd be pretty surprised if you didn't draw scum here.

You think PA/RG/ ?? Me?

[AngryPidgeon]

I thought I was an EXTRA kill.

It didn't make sense to me to lynch someone I thought could be town. Penguin probably is scum though.

It still makes sense to me, but you're trying to go oh your paranoia isn't logical! And that doesn't make sense.

Your paranoia is fine, the self-voting logically doesn't make sense if you thought that you were going to just die at night and nothing else.

but Im getting the feeling I could argue this with you and never get anywhere.

[AngryPidgeon]

Well if you think JSU is town and consider the possibility that RG is town, why isn't RG hammered?

[AngryPidgeon]

^@ CF.

[AngryPidgeon]

But I can't bank anything on that but setup indicates it is probably not you and Fox together.

Well its not me and anyone together.

[AngryPidgeon]

I thought someone else was going to die AND I was going to die and then we wouldn't be here in lylo.

A scum role that kills 2 townies in one swoop?

I mean if you really thought that, then I can sort of see this, but I would be having words with Cabd if he put some shit like that in the game.

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VOTE: Red Gyarados

Alright. I think CF's logic is townish here.

Tamm I guess Im just going to accept is town.

If RG is scum its probably with PA and FH anyhow.

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wtf. JSU is scum?

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JSU are you fucking with me?

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Lol is probably CF/FH/PA

That lat minute distancing there was bad.

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Thank god this game is over.

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That mastin lynch though.

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Cf the wording of your pm means fuckall. It doesn't guarantee any number of cops in the game.

[AngryPidgeon]

I .... I just wanna say that I was blatantly scum this game and I apologize for anyone that may have gotten ran over in my rampage.

[AngryPidgeon]

As soon as mastin died I was free to just open myself up and channel all the inner troll inside me.

[AngryPidgeon]

I wish town the best of luck because you guys really will need it.

p.s. LYNCH NACHO, THEN PA. DONT LET AP LIVE TO ENDGAME BECAUSE FUCK HIM.

I thought you'd carry us through, CF.

IN OTHER WORDS WELL PLAYED JUS, CONGRATS ON THE WIN!

KATSUKI.

WE BLOCKED YOU.

HA.

NACHO AND I GOT OFF SO MUCH ON LYNCHING YOU. IT WAS A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE TBH.

[AngryPidgeon]

Q fucking Q.

Town was stacked with power coming out its ass.

Cf actually had mod confirmation that I lied about my role and didnt out it so I feel zero shame.

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So many of my favorite people to play mafia with in this game. I dunno why it became so dysfunctional.

On Day 2 things were looking extremely grim for scum so I took a lot of efforts to try and break up any meaningful communication. So I guess I can claim some responsibility for this?

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Subject: Tales of You (Pick) Scum thread

Mastin is... so unbelievably town.

FTR, this^
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Day 2 looked bad for scum because the number of mislynchable people was really really low. No one on the scum team was really out of the question for a lynch and several town players had banded together to make it very difficult to actually mislynch someone aggressively. Mastin was the only town player that was reasonable to swing on that Day so I let it happen.

[AngryPidgeon]

I thought scum were going to try to get me/us lynched on day 2. I could feel the wheels turning.

After I scum slipped about my role on D2, I was going to just backseat drive. Especially since you, Tammy, CF, JSU and also sort of (Katsuki, Orci) were just untouchable that Day.

The mastin lynch was really pro-scum so I just sort of token opposed it and kept trying to make it look good by smearing CF.

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I keep forgetting Foxhound almost got lynched on D1.

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I want to know who LB guessed each night to get back in the game.

P-edit: You seemed to mostly be apathetic about me on D1? I can't remember lol. You said something on D2 about how mastin better flip scum or shit was going to go down that made me think you were going to vig me N2.

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AP, I <3 you, but you're posting like a cheeky scumfuck now that I'm gone, and the Yggdra kill is SO your MO.

Heh. I think Nacho wanted it more? But ya it was an objectively good kill.

I told you all about mastin.

Yeah, well, you're probably scum, so...

. I did though. I was being mostly honest there .

based on reads I'd say AP, penguin, fox and hound + a 4th and idk who it is

: O

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The antiblocker sounds like poor design :\
Same with AP's fakeclaim

My fake claim was 100% my own.

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I'm definitely taking a shot for every time in thread or dead PT that mastin called me cheeky scum.

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But it seems so implausible that AP is acting the way he has been and is actually town.

Basically, yeah. AP's play isn't that of a town player trying to figure the game out. It's of a scum player, cheekily fucking around, dancing to the victory tune of "You got fucked" to any and all town to see, be it from the grave in the present or in hindsight for the past.

This is ridiculously accurate.

I'm wondering why you think F-16 is likely scum 0.0

F16 was town as hell this game.

Damn you, town, for sending mastin to us

Or damn PV for sending you to mastin?

i used to hate playing scum, and i still do to some extent

there is a psychological barrier where i don't *want* to mislynch people but i have to

See I stopped having this some time around Legends or GoC or something. Or maybe it was that game where Ffery PoE'd me to death when I was an IC in a newbie. But what mastin said about me being giddy to lynch townies was pretty accurate >.>

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I've lost two scum games this year, sure, but one was apathy and the other was AoT which was DANG close anyway. All others have been wins, all according to my plan.

I'm still upset about this one. TBH I consider this revenge for that just as much as Anything Goes.

But ultimately this -is- revenge for Ag more than anything because you got mislynched as a bulletproof town and then Katsuki got mislyncned the next day phase. Bot hot you correctly howling about how Nacho and I were scum together

LMAO THE FUCKING CHEEKINESS OF AP

ITS ONE THING TO CALL ME A FAKECLAIMER WHEN IM A VT
ITS A WHOLE OTHER THING WHEN IM A FLIPPED PR

Ya I figure I burned any towncred I will ever have in any future game ever. I was pretty damn cheeky this game.

Are we still nominating the town of this game for best scum team performance?

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AP could literally not be scumming up the thread more if he tried.
Frankly, I think it's intentional since he KNOWS he's playing like a cheeky scumfuck and KNOWS he can get away with it 'cause he KNOWS that he's been cleared and has a dang-good chance at winning.

It pretty much was. I made some common in the scum PT about how it felt like I was clubbing baby seals for this win. You and Katsuki being the baby seals here .

Also, eagerly awaiting to see if people remember that AP claimed his role had an aspect for 9 players, and it was 9 players yesterday, for whatever actions AP claims.

(Hi, Beli!)

You are kidding right? I wasn't forgetting that ever. That was my get-out-of-faking-results net.

To be fair, he's thinking that's because AP didn't include the random oneshot jailkeep add on in post 3123 that he later claimed

To be fair, I should have been lnched the instant I claimed that jail keep.

Yeah.
You mercilessly slaughtered Dookoo. (Nacho.)
True, you know of the evils of Grievous. (PA.)
BUT WHAT FUCKING GOOD IS IT.
IF IN YOUR ARROGANCE, PALPATINE (joint between AP and Fox/Hound) MANIPULATES YOU INTO THEIR APPRENTICE?!?

LOL.

My two bet the farm town reads were JSU and Orci. I think the JSU read, though right, really screwed me up in terms of trusting their reads of AP over mine. I figured if anyone could read AP it was Bro.

I was serious when I told people that we haven't had a good track record of reading each other. Like Street racers was it and we still clashed bit in that.

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and poor ap is still trying to mislynch jsu
I <3 him

I tried. I tried for America. RG will have to satisfy the scumgods instead. Although the scumgods wanted CF or JSU.

Admittedly, after you began pushing me, I began to lose that clarity because I was degrading emotionally at a rapid rate.

All part of the plan I just made up!

Don't think I'm at the policy-lynch-just-for-safety's-sake on AP yet, but I definitely think I picked up a scumtell of his. Nice bit if info.

I didn't commit any scum tells this game. I was just claiming scum in thread ever since the mastin lynch.

Clyton did a much better scumjob than Penguin is doing.

Basically, yeah.

I was ready to WK clyton to the hell and back tbh. That guy was a boss.

Annnnd I read the dead PT which was mostly mastin's personal blog. Would read again.

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I laughed that Muffin was convinced that I was scum in the dead qt.

Muffin was trolling everyone's pants off in the dead qt...

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Tammy you really gotta stop doing that thing you do though. That thing where anytime someone calls you scum (or so much as says you aren't town) is a personal offense and you have to halt all activities and pursue that topic.

It caused a lot of nothing to happen this game.

Like whenever I wanted to just talk about nothing for a while but look like I was doing something, all I had to do was say "Tammy could be scum" and KABOOM conversation derailed.

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Subject: Tales of You (Pick) Scum thread

Spoiler: Things F-16 thinks about my game (for my reference, hence spoilered)

I found Penguin's posts on the whole to be extremely genuine and free-flowing. I explained this a long while ago in D1 but more recent events also pointed in the direction of Penguin being town. For example, her willingness to work with you in Post 263 in the neighborhood was super-town. I could see that she was somewhat frustrated at being consistently scumread and was trying very hard to make the discussion productive. It didn't feel like she was trying to placate you but more like genuinely trying to see your perspective if you assume Medea is town. I also liked her push on BRO D1. It came across as a very, forceful and direct attack which I find Penguin as scum unlikely to do. When Penguin mislynches players as scum, her attacks come across as weaker than her attacks as town and also the follow up on them is a lot less than her follow up as town. Her post 649 also gave me townvibes, in particular her read on BRO felt like she was taking responsibility for his lynch. Specifically, the "BRO needs rope" phrase is unlikely to come from Penguin as scum as it she is much more diplomatic and careful as scum. The thing that convinced me more than anything though was her strongarming the BRO lynch on D1 which is basically impossible to come from Penguin-scum. Her attempts to persuade Bazinga in Post 899 where she says "Mollie/bazinga, please consider how disjointed BRO's posts are when he gets grouchy. It's like he can't put on the grouchiness and legit-scum-hunt simultaneously" was too aggressive to come from scum. Not to mention that I was on the same page that she was about BRO D1 and I felt like the misread was reasonable especially considering that some aspects of BRO's play felt closer to his scum meta.

I played one game with scum-Penguin (Micro 295: Cowardly Hider) and even though I retracted the initial scumread that I had on her in that game, her flip in that game actually made me more sure that she was town here. I'll give you a quick summary of that game. ISO us and Penguin to follow along. Most of our initial posts were made by Nacho with me making just one post (our first, which was actually pretty boring) and checking out. We got attacked a lot for it from town (BRO in particular was going at us hard). Penguin then made Post 156. She defended us from BRO and bubbajack in a way that doesn't make sense at all and it betrayed that she had an underlying agenda. Also, specifically look at the careful, hesitant language she uses "Given F-16's posts, I'm also not seeing the tremendous disparity between BRO's thoughts and Ghatokaca's" which really reads as off on a gut level. Penguin is actually a very competent scum player. She is competent because she is good at making plans, strategizing and executing those plans while subtly pushing a scum agenda. In that game, she was trying to avoid our attention because she considered Nacho (and possibly me) to be a good player and didn't want to set off alarm bells for us. Hence the careful defense and it actually feels like she was walking around eggshells at that point which was what gave me a superstrong scumread on Penguin after which I post "tragic Penguin pictures" and yell about how I'd love to see Penguin getting lynched. She explains it away and convinces me to back off but it was that strong feeling I had which I note in Post 522 was the biggest red flag which I felt that I should have persued. I never even came close to getting that sort of feeling in this game.

In the first game I played with Penguin (Mini 1492: Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets), we were both town and for the most part, I had her in my POE list as possible scum (although my read was for much lamer reasons like a perceived inconsistency in logic), but I had my doubts based on a meta-dive of her that I previously had done. A few key things that weren't present in her scumgames were her willingness to work with others and the reactions to being scumread felt different. Specifically, see Post 791 where she asks me that if I was wrong about her, how my reads would change. It felt genuine and the desire to work with me there actually felt similar to her neighborhood QT post trying to work with you. On the other hand, go back to the Cowardly Hider and see her reaction to being scumread there. Post 489 felt very placatory and her effort to work with me was much more superficial and she immediately retracts it in Post 518. As a caveat, I did pile on more rhetoric and images than in the Harry Potter game but the reaction of quickly retracting the read, and placating while remaining cool and calculated points to someone who is confident enough in their scumgame to plan her moves well. On the other hand, Penguin as town feels more natural, occasionally gets passionate about her reads or impending lynch and is more blunt while trying to work with other players. Her later pushes on Nacho and ffery were also extremely natural, very direct, moderately forceful and powerful. There are times when I feel that Penguin as town doesn't let on that she is scumreading someone but holds it back but it all flows later on. Her scumread on ffery was one such example where she brings it up long after ffery's initial case on her. Compare this with their scumread on us this game for which she had reasons reaching as far back as D1 which she later admits that she was holding back (based on my not getting back to her on Hanzo). As scum, she holds back in a different way where she is a little self-conscious (I am not sure how to phrase this better, read that Cowardly Hider post).

I played another game with Penguin where I was scum and she town (Micro 264: ETL's Resistance Mafia). I noticed the same intent to work with players that I noticed in the Harry Potter game. Specifically, look at her directness in Post 178 where she attacks Mastin and tries to convince ArcAngel9 of her scumread. This was one of the things I based my scumread of her in Cowardly Hider on because I profiled her towngame as direct, and to the point and the lack of it in Cowardly Hider turned out to be a red flag. The rest of her ISO also contain fairly direct and to-the-point interactions.

So, those were the games I've played with Penguin. I've also read some of her older scumgames. I've actually read quite a lot of her games. The notable takeaway is that Penguin doesn't strongarm lynches as scum and doesn't push with the same amount of confidence that she showed here. I think it is probably because she doesn't consider it to be optimal scum strategy to get too much blood on her hands as the game progresses. Penguin as scum is also not as aggressive with regard to working with other players nor is she as direct in her attacks as she has been here. Her working with Bazinga to secure a BRO lynch and the way she tried to convince people of her early townreads on us and Mala has a forcefulness to them that she probably intentionally avoids as scum. Her play here has a solidity and reliability that is generally only present in her towngames. Her later play D2 and beyond has the same intention of working with players and her D2 defense of us in Post 1610 also had the same conviction that she displays as town. She is slightly less confident in her reads D2 but that is a reasonable result from her top scumread flipping town. But I still see the same desire to work with players while asserting herself and her own reads both in the neighborhood and in the game thread. Tl,dr; Medea is town because Penguin is way too aggressive, took way too much responsibility for the BRO lynch, and cares about her opinions and her choices of lynches going through much, much more than she does as town.

So I need to be aggressive, reach out to any town reads I get, and not be diplomatic. Heh, I'll get right on that...yell at some people, buddy others.

I think pushing mastin might be my absolute best bet in light of that. Say I see scum-mastin and take the line that I fucking well recognize scum-mastin by this point and I damn well won't second-guess my read again. And she can tell me this isn't her scum game until the cows come home, but I'm not swallowing that after the last two scum-mastin games. The extra good thing there is that the more she appeals to me, the more I won't believe her. Plus no one expects me to be on the ball with reads anyways.

Actually F-16 hilariously nailed the fact that PA was actively trying to NOT play to her Wicked meta.

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Or ya. I think I misspoke. TL;DR: PA WAS trying to cater to meta F-16 had on her and he actually was right about that.

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Oh, my god. I am sick of ffery. How the FUCK does someone so delusionally believe in their reads that they don't even vote them when they are counterclaimed? Seriously?

Hence why I'm thinking she's scum

She's looking for a lot of excuses not to vote RBD.

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There was nothing wrong with RBD faking a miller role TBH. I mean I guess old-school players would PL someone for that. I know I was on the inside looking out this game, but RBD just seems absurdly town to me. Everything they did.

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Town wasn't playing atrociously on average though. I honestly think I'd give town a 4 or 5 out of 6 in Zors survey.

Day 2 was grim. Tbh I thought it was a long shot then. We just managed to walk the narrow path .

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Welp the next item on the revenge agenda is getting back at Iec/Nacho/Katsuki for that 3 room game.

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Welp the next item on the revenge agenda is getting back at Iec/Nacho/Katsuki for that 3 room game.

LOL WASNT THIS GAME ENOUGH?

OK FINE JUST YERKY AND NACHO THEN.

YOU BETTER BE ON MY SCUMTEAM IN MOS-VITATIONAL

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all the scum were on every single mislynch besides mastin, and everyone who was on a counterwagon to Nacho on D4 was scum

I wasnt on Magenta or Mastin

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The town power wasn't trivial though lol.

If I got lynched d2, scum would have lost. Almost 100% guarantee. If you don't like swingy games, play mini normals.

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The only person who seriously bought the innocent result was JSU though.

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If we hadn't used PRs on n2 completely ideally, we would have lost.