Mafia with the Quickness 2 GAME OVER!

[helium-3]

hi guys!

whats going on?

[helium-3]

hi desp!

get your retarded vote off of yourself!

[helium-3]

game has potential to go nuclear and that is all I have to say about that

[helium-3]

hi son!

long time no see!

[helium-3]

ignore the quote it magically appeared

[marquis]

pedit @ sad, scum wouldn't want to lynch the encryptor -> juls wants to lynch the encryptor -> juls is scum ? i....... don't agree??

But apparently everyone is agreeing that there are multiple encrpytors based on something Desp's role PM might maybe be implying!

i've never seen a game with more than one encryptor.

yes i know "i've never seen a game with" =/= "this isn't a game with" but when you take into account the fact that this is a GOTTA GO FAST GO GO GO quick game as well, i don't think the mod would do something that different from normal in addition to the stress caused by short deadlines. for the most part i think this is a mostly normal setup game

i'm not saying to lynch desp, because i think daytalk can benefit town as much as scum and i don't think i've ever really seen scum use daytalk to win/take advantage of a game. but what i mean is that i think lynching desp really would eliminate daytalk and the whole "there is more than one encryptor" idea is really far-fetched

pedit i'm usually wary of not_mafia but i like his post and opinion of daytalk. i don't like his vote on skrew though, he should know by now that annoying play more often than not is town

pedit2 please don't say retarded in that sense please

wrt the bold: how shld I use it then? retarded means "stunted growth" and I think desp's vote is retarded at this point and time cos enough people will see him as town for what he is doing. the only 1s who would jump all over it is scum and even they don't seem to be that stupid cos only desp is voting for desp.

if you think i shld only use it in the context of an insult that we will have words.

[helium-3]

hi son!

long time no see!

How can I be sure you're really mollie

does anti have paternal feeling towards you I dunno

[helium-3]

(completely relevant: is Tammy my sister or aunt? I can never remember)

she was your aunt but then she excommunicated me you know how sisters fight

[helium-3]

@Feu et Vol It's not that I find him annoying (I don't), it's a noise to signal thing

@Helium I can't make head nor tail of that post about Desp's self vote, were you calling his vote stupid or counter-productive or what?

I think it is cp at this point

retarded = stunted growth

[helium-3]

Not very friendly.

hey slaandy!

this doesn't really give me the warm fuzzies!

[helium-3]

Can't tell if it's better to pl the metal sonic hydra or the marquis hydra???

can you talk to me a bit about why you want to pl any1?

cos except for special instances, I think it shld never be done. and it seems like when it is presented in a joking manner it tends to come from scum.

VOTE: sad

[helium-3]

Vote: SleepyKrew

There can only be one SK.

With that out of the way:
- Three negative town roles already claimed. I'm not sure yet what to think about that.
- desp, please clarify your role. Does it allow daytalk for scum, or does it control all scum talk?
- desp's role needs to be eliminated. Scum communication is lethal in the hands of competent scumteams. If it's daytalk, then we should quicklynch him. Regardless of anything else, that role can't live past Day 1.

wat 3 negative role claims

are you taking sad's cc srs?

VOTE: kerriganVOTE:

[helium-3]

ffs

VOTE: kerrigan

eta: yaye!

[helium-3]

@SAD, I already said I am not making that assumption but I think scum day talk benefits scum more than town day talk benefits town.

the only thing that benefits scum re:daytalk is that they can coordinate mylo.

there is always a bunch of talk about "coaching" but tbh I haven't really seen a lot of that. have you? this site is bus happy which I am grateful for since lynches aren't decided by dl plurality and sometimes that is only way to see a lynch on scum go through.

[helium-3]

Let's say we had the groups you suggest. The other groups could still talk in the night. What does a town person have to say in the day that can't wait to be said at night? Now ask yourself the same question about scum.

Well for starters I think neighborhoods are VERY strong in being able to identify if there are any scum in there.

And masons can generally talk about their honest thoughts and be able to pull gambits and such?

I think you think scum daytalk is much stronger than it usually is. (the only good opinion I've seen so far about town not wanting scum to have daytalk is the number of hydras)

I am trying to decide if I like this post or not.

not sure what you are getting at about the number of hydras tho

[helium-3]

antihero here.

let's see... a vote on oversoul would be fine....

Vote: SleepyKrew

There can only be one SK.

With that out of the way:
- Three negative town roles already claimed. I'm not sure yet what to think about that.
- desp, please clarify your role. Does it allow daytalk for scum, or does it control all scum talk?
- desp's role needs to be eliminated. Scum communication is lethal in the hands of competent scumteams. If it's daytalk, then we should quicklynch him. Regardless of anything else, that role can't live past Day 1.

wow, what a piece of shit gooey, waffley post. vote on saintk would be good too.

@SK phone posting. Walls suck.

juls is another solid vote.

Oh god, how many pages am I going to wake up to each morning.

Dayne v Juls feels town v town to me. Daytalk can be very powerful in good hands, not saying I want to lynch Desp or I'm even completely sure he's not reaction testing or something but.. meh, daytalk utilised properly can be good.

VOTE: SleepyKrew

Posting:Content ratio too high

PEDIT: oh lord like a dozen posts popping up

it's called "mafia with quickness". it moves fast....
wafflewafflewaffle on despy........
...yeah thanks for letting us all know you're scum. it helped.

i actually think not_mafia would be a very solid D1 lynch.

[helium-3]

(Ignore that quote btw.)

why shld we ignore the quote? is that not part of the reason you were voting her cos that is why I thought you were

thinking you are bad sad

[helium-3]

Here's a game where scum used daytalk well throughout and it was probably (one of) the main factor(s) behind their win.

Anyway I feel like we're just getting in to theory discussion (the strength of daytalk isn't irrelevant but I don't think that's the lynch should be dependent on) when the actual game-related discussion is about whether we should lynch Desp, which I'd say a resounding no to at this juncture because despite my opinion on daytalk the actual implication of his role is ambiguous.

"i don't want to talk theory buuuuut... LET'S TALK THEORY"

VOTE: not_mafia

mollie, do you agree with me? y/n

[helium-3]

Not very friendly.

hey slaandy!

this doesn't really give me the warm fuzzies!

Sometimes I dream of a world where I am not the big bad wolf. I tried to make those dreams a reality; I really did; I decided I was going to be super duper friendly in this game... at least try to be, I tried

really

hard, but I was shunned

Never again.

--
Thank you Sleepy.
--

VOTE: SaintK

slaandy all I wanna do is outshout anti and vote you.

what are you thanking skrew for?

why are you voting for kerrigan?

[helium-3]

also I think slice of life is scum

discuss.

[helium-3]

Well obv yeah but I just didn't try to quote that post and probably forgot it about it in multiquoted. I was voting her on her overall play thus far up to that point not over one specific post!

okay, well walk me through the need as to why you placed a vote and then "omg that post is not why I am voting her" when it was the summation of her posts that led you to vote her in the first place.

like the post you quoted should be included in your summation but for some reason you felt like it shouldn't hence why you made a big deal about saying that it wasn't.

[helium-3]

okay, well walk me through the need as to why you placed a vote and then "omg that post is not why I am voting her" when it was the summation of her posts that led you to vote her in the first place.

I was surprised to see that quote above mine???

Honestly I didn't even really pay attention to the exact quote rather than just notice something I didn't exactly want there?

I can almost buy the whole "startled town seeing something that they did not directly indicate" but for some reason I am not.

cos it has happened to me and when I am town I tend to let things like that go

altho I have been caught off guard once or twice but that was about a point that I was not even trying to make at the time.

this is what you said:

(Ignore that quote btw.)

what is bugging me is why shld we ignore the quote when that was 1 of the posts/reasons you were voting her? yeah? cos it was a summation of her posts which included the 1 you wanted every1 to ignore?

[helium-3]

Why helium

cos mastina won't get pissed at me if I leave them as lynchbait while trying to determine their alignment when mastina is v/la on weekends (so am I) and haylen is hittin da club.

haylen might, but mastina will talk her down. at least I hope she will.

[helium-3]

VOTE: overlysoul

[helium-3]

if any1 doesn't think that overlysoul is playing a sleazy carsalesman role they shld stick their heads in a toilet and flush.

[helium-3]

tammy this is a sincere reach out to the point where I kind of tear up.

can we plz not fight this game.

[helium-3]

if any1 doesn't think that overlysoul is playing a sleazy carsalesman role they shld stick their heads in a toilet and flush.

(((mollie)))

[helium-3]

Here we go again, Mollie.

I mean, I'm not going to lie it is for :reasons: but it is for :town reasons:

pedit:

Honestly, Tammy, it is because I thought you developed a dislike towards me. I tried interacting with you on your GTAKS and you didn't respond to any of my posts (not eventhe Hi! ) so I wanted to give you space in case that was true

i'm not gonna lie, but whenever someone says "i'm not going to lie" i instantly dont trust whatever they say after that phrase

[helium-3]

tammy this is a sincere reach out to the point where I kind of tear up.

can we plz not fight this game.

I don't want to fight with you either.

After some of the more vitriolic and hostile games lately, I just want to start detaching myself emotionally and helping to have more enjoyable games, because this is supposed to be fun.

Nacho and I talked for a really long time a couple weeks ago where he said he wished he could have stepped in and tried to smooth things over, but thinks there's a rift that won't be fixed. I think it's possible.

he might be right cos some things cut to the bone.

a southern expression is "when something is broken so young it never grows straight".

ironically this is supposed to be a positive thing cos the turn of phrase applies to plants that you are trying to get to grow a certain way.

I just don't want to fight with you in this game especially since I am being such a hardass on nacho these days.

if we scumhunt you, I don't want you to meltdown and I don't want to meltdown either.

I think overly is scum. his play reminds me a lot of pikman and he was pretty sleazy that game. <--- only realized this in hindsight.

do you know who I wanna hear from but is on v/la? mastina. cos I kind of think he had overlysoul as scum towards the endgame in that game.

[helium-3]

what is bugging me is why shld we ignore the quote when that was 1 of the posts/reasons you were voting her? yeah? cos it was a summation of her posts which included the 1 you wanted every1 to ignore?

I obv didn't mean ignore that quote in general I meant ignore that post specifically when reading my post to no think that I am solely responding to that post.

I can't tell if you're trying to reaction test me or are being purposely obtuse about this for a different reason but this is like, pretty bad?

I am trying to figure out why you felt the need to say "omg ignore that quote" when it shld have been coupled with your thinking.

why is it bad exactly?

[helium-3]

Mollie, why are you voting me?

cos you look like a sleazy car salesman with your pitch to be neighbourized. do you disagree?

[helium-3]

you won't need to be a hardass on nacho or scumhunt us because we're town. and I'm going to be the calm town, the kind that gets me killed because i try to get town to work together and don't freak out. and when he shows up, he'll be the awesome scum hunting town, that's super obvious.

lets arm wrestle for nk1 honour

i need more from oversoul. i am kinda bugged that he didn't interact with me in his wall of quote stripes, but he's someone I need more from.

haylen's first post is kinda eh BUT I think there's something to her first post weird claims things. I might be misremembering that, and need to look back a couple years as I haven't played with Haylen in forever. She's a really easy mislynch though, so I'll wait for mastin. I feel like Tales Of taught me some things about Mastin, so we'll see.

if mastina is around she will never get mislynched while we are on guard and well, around.

sad looks icky.

[helium-3]

So, I'm going to lose interest in this game real fast if you guys keep chatting about games other than this one. I'm not in the cool kids club which makes for a really boring read.

I am questioning sad about his "omg ignore that post" wrt you.

we are voting overlysoul who is actively trying to solicit you to neighbouborize him.

how are you feeling left out?

[helium-3]

Oh then my original reply still stands. I have no idea what he's mentioning about majiffy?

But it says majiffy was in the game :

3 Yggdra Union (giffy and pieguyn) 3 Yukari Yakumo

I am trying to figure out why you felt the need to say "omg ignore that quote" when it shld have been coupled with your thinking.

I already answered this?

I have a very fidgety playstyle and didn't want people to think that I was solely replying to that post as opposed to her whole gameplay?

why is it bad exactly?

B/c you're taking something that is very much irrelevant and are trying to look like you're scumhunting (based on it).

wrt bold, that is the problem I am having with, why was it not intrinsic in your thinking that the post shld be included in her whole game play?

I feel like we are talking in circles tho and I am not sure what that means.

[helium-3]

Mollie, why are you voting me?

cos you look like a sleazy car salesman with your pitch to be neighbourized. do you disagree?

On principle yes, but I figured that would rub some people the wrong way.
Scum are not going to be that obvious (well, maybe Reck/AP) but I am letting you know I will never do troll shit as scum. Too much pride.

okay. so you will never troll shit as scum.

I didn't think it was intentional tho, which seems to be what you are addressing.

[helium-3]

So, I'm going to lose interest in this game real fast if you guys keep chatting about games other than this one. I'm not in the cool kids club which makes for a really boring read.

I am questioning sad about his "omg ignore that post" wrt you.

we are voting overlysoul who is actively trying to solicit you to neighbouborize him.

how are you feeling left out?

Imperium, oversoul, and sad are all talking different games and my eyes are glazed over.

you could always say tamale and see what happens

[helium-3]

Mollie - do you think i'm right on my early desperado town read?

well I thought he was town for it too cos I wouldn't think he would meta burn like that especially for an encryptor role. unless for whatever reason he thought that he was a negative utility as scum and had reason to think that there were neighbourizers in play.

gun to head going with town but it is shaky and I expect him to go apeshit over this.

eta: sad is a waffley read that I was trying to iron out. I didn't get much from him. so unsure.

[helium-3]

I just said even if they are scum we can benefit from it. They can't lie about neighborizing someone they didn't say they neighborized because the other people in the neighborhood would know. If they claim to neighborize someone and they aren't in the neighborhood then that would be another red flag.

also I disagree with this.

for there to be an actual town neighborhood, scum has to recruit 2 townies

, which means we can't bother lynching them till D3. it's entirely pointless to wait just because "lol neighborizer".

not to mention they can set up WIFOM by recruiting their partner

wrt the bold: you totes lost me here

[helium-3]

also scum neighborizer is a thing that exists (especially if this was meant as a normal game--only so many normal scum roles to choose from)

you're aware Marquis claimed town neighborizer right

given your role I'd expect there to be at least some chance there's both town and scum neighborizers in this game

so did julz

what do you think of THAT

[helium-3]

I'm seriously thinking about replacing out. Everyone seems to know the heads of the hydras and it's all very confusing to me. I have to keep looking at the main post. Like who the hell is pie? And talking about the other head of your hydras is making me confused too.

if you replace out (especially when efforts have been made to try to include you) we will have to decide whether or not that you genuinely feel excluded (and I do not know what else to do to get you to feel included but vote you) or if you are throwing your hands up in the air cos your scummates are [redacted].

[helium-3]

Mollie - do you think i'm right on my early desperado town read?

well I thought he was town for it too cos I wouldn't think he would meta burn like that especially for an encryptor role. unless for whatever reason he thought that he was a negative utility as scum and had reason to think that there were neighbourizers in play.

gun to head going with town but it is shaky and I expect him to go apeshit over this.

eta: sad is a waffley read that I was trying to iron out. I didn't get much from him. so unsure.

I'm not great at reading desperado especially after defending him for stupid reasons day one of reckoning and mostly scum reading him in Tales of recently. I feel like I learned something from recent games though, but I won't have Nacho to back me up or tell me I'm dumb I don't think until this day is over. But I think town.

I wouldn't trust nacho's read either!

I think town cos of stated reasons. I just don't see him burning his meta that way.

and I am only saying that it is shaky so I can claim postgame cred in case I am wrong.

[helium-3]

I'm seriously thinking about replacing out. Everyone seems to know the heads of the hydras and it's all very confusing to me. I have to keep looking at the main post. Like who the hell is pie? And talking about the other head of your hydras is making me confused too.

Don't replace out

I'll do a cheat sheet for you.

Fue et Vol = BeastCharizard (the avatar) and Marquis (where the french comes from)
Speedy Saki = Sonic (fast) and Saki (Saki)
Helium 3 = I got nothing for you. Mollie is a girl, so thats where the purple is? Antihero is a chemistry student so thats where the name comes from?
Imperium = Two Ms in Tammy and iMperiuM, Nacho is an Imp
Perpetual Nonsense = Bert (Perpetual) SXYGHTLGAIDEN (Nonsense, I mean look at that name)
Sukogo Sugoi = Pieguyn is Asian and this an Asian ass name. F16 is a jet in the sky, avatar is of the sky
Slice of Life = I really can't even begin to make something up for lol

/carsalesman pitch

[helium-3]

what would make me really happy is overlysoul votes.

[helium-3]

So this is a hydra I have created to play with my husband but haven't actually played yet. Would all the hydra mind creating a similar signature? It would probably help me out a lot:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/memberlist.p ... le&u=24127

oh. okay then

VOTE: julz

do you see why I am voting you right now?

[helium-3]

I'm getting cold feet about Juls town with the way she is handling Fue. Using the neighbor chat as their own hydra qt is pretty town. And they seem really town from their posting. I find it hard she really Is ignoring that stuff. I guess it's different if you're the one counter claiming?

stop trying to cover up for her.

or do you really think she is town cos I will listen to you since you are a sleazy carsalesman and I stand behind that

[helium-3]

No, not really.

I have to go to bed and then I am v/la for the weekend.

is your husband on here?

can we talk to him?

[helium-3]

I find it weird that julz is having such a hard time trying to figure out hydras when she just stated that her account was a hydra in the first place with her husband.

[helium-3]

So this is a hydra I have created to play with my husband but haven't actually played yet. Would all the hydra mind creating a similar signature? It would probably help me out a lot:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/memberlist.p ... le&u=24127

oh. okay then

VOTE: julz

do you see why I am voting you right now?

If you are voting me because I have a hydra then that might quite possibly be the stupidest reason I have ever seen for voting someone. I don't hate hydras, I hate when people hydra badly. And I am not saying all the hydras in this game are doing it. I am having trouble with them because I don't know the heads and most people apparently do. Having their names in the signatures might help me with that.

I think you know most of the people in this game and I am calling you out.

so fuck that shit.

I personally would rather lynch the usedcarsalesman but you won't even throw him under a bus.

the only thing that is working in your favour right now is that no1 slipped that they know who you are. except for overlysoul's strong pickup.

[helium-3]

i said hello to mollie and she is currently backing up my juls push. what else are you looking for?

what was the hhhmm about

[helium-3]

goddamn it

UNVOTE:

[helium-3]

you said something about me burning my meta and i didnt understand what you meant

your claim doesn't have much future sustainability in this game or the next. you will have to do a lot to support a town positive utility function.

why would you burn this?

[helium-3]

I'm going to bed. If you guys lynch me before I wake up, please don't forget what I said about helium.

while I am on v/la? thanks

anti will be here

julz is town.

[helium-3]

goddamn it

UNVOTE:

Oh, tired of being an opportunistic scum are we?

yes. that is definitely what is going on.

it isn't like I think you are titus at all.

[helium-3]

okay I have had a breather

(breather as in inhaled a bunch of cigarettes)

I don't know what to make of julz except I think she is scummy or town. does this confuse any1? it does me too.

julztown: I know what is like to feel left out cos sometimes I feel that way too. I also don't know what to do when some1 meltsdown in the way that she did.

julzscum: she said the account was supposed to be a hydra with her husband but doesn't get basic hydra play. she says she barely knows any1 but appeals to players to vindicate her not being titus.

like I am srsly at a loss here.

so as a good hydra partner I am leaving this to anti cos he can probs sort it out better than I can right now.

I am going to go inhale more cigarettes and hopefully go to bed.

eta: goddammit mastina is scum

[helium-3]

VOTE: overlysoul

I'll sheep this when caught up, though I owe my friend a catch-up benefit before then.

Mollie, why are you voting me?

Because she's scumreading you, duh.

then why are we not in your town pool?

like you only have marquis.

[helium-3]

OH MY FUCKING GOD...who the fuck is titus? I literally hate this game right now.

Seriously, @Hoopla, please tell this person that I am not some person named Titus. You are probably the only person who knows me before recently.

Now I am really going to bed.

This kinda sounds like town frustration.

help me out here plz.

cos why would you start a hydra to play with your husband before hydras were a thing and then not understand anything about hydras?

that is what is baking my noodle.

eta: mastina why do you have to be scum.

[helium-3]

Still catching up. I skimmed through some of the later posts though. Guess my read on you.

Well, I mean we're town, so your read is we're town.

You'd be right. I'll explain more of my reads when I catch up fully, sync with Pie and write up a massive list of reads. The one I disagree with you is JasonT1981. I have a few concerns that his play is a lot different from Z-Mafia.

IS THIS THAT FALCON PERSON

SCUM

[helium-3]

I still lean town on Juls by the timing of her claim and because I don't see how this Hydra talk stuff is alignment indicative so I feel like she's just being backed in to a corner over nothing, I don't like the read on Feu Et Vol but I can also see it coming from someone who doesn't know them. Helium I see jumping on everyone and I don't think they're actually reading the posts they're attacking people for. The not liking entrances thing is mutual with slice of life, both head's entrance looked quite forced to me

haha, no. slice of life is town. and you're scum. and you're also strawmanning with "jumping on everyone" because mollie's already told you about a number of townreads. you're just butthurt you're not one of them.

mollie would you please vote

not

_mafia?

[helium-3]

"opportunistic" is a loaded word that doesn't fit this context that you're using to be inflammatory and flashy, juls.

[helium-3]

8. Desperado
9. Perpetual Nonsense (Bert + SXTLHGaiden)
15. Feu et Vol (beastcharizard + Marquis)
7. helium-3 (Antihero + Pirate Mollie)
12. Imperium (Nachomamma8 + Tammy)
11. Sugoku Sugoi (F-16_Fighting_Falcon + pieguyn)
16. SleepyKrew
14. Hoopla
5. Speedy Saki (Metal Sonic + Saki)
1. JasonT1981
10. Juls
2. SaintKerrigan
3. Slandaar
17. Ser Arthur Dayne
13. Oversoul
6. Not_Mafia

4. Nero Cain
18. Nobody Special

Something like this.

this is a good reads list

screw all you mastin haters.

[helium-3]

our vote is idle mollie. i'm going to use it on OMGUSing scum.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[helium-3]

that was mollie.

this is me.

[helium-3]

So Oversoul and Mastin/Slice of Pie are probably scum... likely together.

Helium just feels all over the place and not really attacking genuinely? But at the same time the points they've chosen to focus on don't really make me think "scum motivation".

Still think Juls might be scum? I mean I would be frustrated with mollie really regardless, but I'll hold off on actually getting a concert read till I might ISO them soon or just generally wait for more posts.

Skrew/Sugo/Tamcho are all leaning town. I guess? Idrk yet I guess but w/e I'll be able to sort it out later.

I feel like I should have a read on not_mafia but I don't. I'll do some ISOs when I actually get coffee.

Also Mastin is probably gonna call this post bad. The preemptive response is "lol".

yeah,

i'm

going to call this post shitty and bad too.

lol

[helium-3]

Why the change from scum to town in 12 hours... and why

1) nothing to back up your origional claim he is scum
2) nothing to back up why you suddenly switch him to town

also, in the "12 hours", mastin posted while at the time of mollie's scumread, only haylen posted with the self vote.

/fartasjkdlf;jdsal;fjd;lksajfs

[helium-3]

that was mollie.

this is me.

The hydra dissonance defense

yes.....

...and.....? what of it?

[helium-3]

or it's that we're two different people and mollie's going to be away for the weekend and i'm the one posting and i can't telepathically communicate with mollie?

either give a scum motivation for what i did or admit you're using buzzwords to say nothing.

[helium-3]

also, this "on a dime" is unmitigated horseshit

at the time of mollie's read, she hadn't seen anything from mastin yet. i got to see the first battery of mastin posts and i know mastin pretty well, so i made a unilateral read.

^scum motivation or gtfo

[helium-3]

I just gave a scum motivation...read please.

no you didn't. you put together a word salad and thought it meant something.

[helium-3]

hydra dissonance is part of the condition of being a hydra (it's two people). we try to sync as often as we can, but we post at will so our situation doesn't allow us to all the time.

if "hydra dissonance" is really part of your case, your case is shit.

[helium-3]

and people who are saying "their pushes aren't genuine" are... ironically... NOT GENUINE

looking at SAD and not_mafia

[helium-3]

you're not listening and you didn't call me out on shit. jason did, and he's leaving out a lot but smoothing over it by giving this bullshitty "12 hours" framework.

here, let me quote all the posts between mollie's scumread and my townread.
spoilered for scroll

Spoiler:

Righto, here we go.

I think Haylen also forgot that we'll need to communicate since she didn't give me a QT link, but we'll fix that eventually. For the time being, catchup!

VOTE: Slandaar

Town.

SAD's probscum.

VOTE: Slandaar
Go, speed wagon... go, go!

So's jason.

We're a miller.

Probably town.
Desp definitely is.

- Three negative town roles already claimed. I'm not sure yet what to think about that.

Three? I only saw the miller and the encryptor.

(SK might be scum.)

...The OTHER SK's probably town, though.
(I'm going to adapt a Saint and Sleepy policy, now. Respectively.)

Take back the jason scumread.
Thought of making it be a townread, but too much doubt there.

Marquis hydra

very

loosely town.

/5.

my role pm implies that multiple encryptors might exist,

and if one is alive daytalk is available for all QTs

if you think i should die why bother rvsing sleepy?

The bolded is why killing desp right now isn't helpful. We need to kill all of them to get rid of the effect. Otherwise we're just feeding scum a free lunch.

Okay, might be town afterall.

Oh god, how many pages am I going to wake up to each morning.

Dayne v Juls feels town v town to me. Daytalk can be very powerful in good hands, not saying I want to lynch Desp or I'm even completely sure he's not reaction testing or something but.. meh, daytalk utilised properly can be good.

VOTE: SleepyKrew

Posting:Content ratio too high

PEDIT: oh lord like a dozen posts popping up

So I might be wrong on this.

But when Not_Mafia has stayed true to his name, I've generally been able to figure as much.

This entrance post isn't giving me that feeling.
It could be on my end, it could be on his end yet not be his alignment (different posting), could be both, but could also be that he's lying. Which I'm vaguely leaning towards.

Okay early town reads on desperado, arthur and Jason.

ALCOHOL IS ALSO EVIL!

I think you might still be 2/3 drunk

Kinda scary how in-line Sleepy is with my thoughts.
Calling town.

scum daytalk isn't that scary and getting rid of the encryptors is entirely pointless and only serves to waste lynches. the rest of them shouldn't claim either bc all it does is tell scum who not to kill

SKrew is town for pointing it out and Desp is town for making waves early - in the game I played with scum Desp he did a lot and tried to look town, but didn't actually do much of anything. F-16 agrees on SKrew town but wants to meta him to be sure.

I liked SAD's 105.

I fucking hate Juls so far. when Desp claimed she first took the easiest and most opportunistic stance for scum to take (lynch it) and then backed off once everyone else did.

vote: Juls

I also dislike Saint. the entirety of his posting is about Desp's claim and when Desp first claimed he also jumped for the opportunity to lynch him.

we'll sign if it's necessary, but it should be rly obvious who is who

Righto. I forget who's in this hydra, but I remember it's got at least one (if not both) player(s) that work with me extremely well (and I think I've called students before; would have to check), yet regardless, town.

(Kinda feel like this game's going to be hellish and have a lot of ambivalence, though. And maybe apathy down the line. Or if not, too-many-townreads syndrome. But eh. Not to be worried about until it's something to be worried about. )

pie please obvtown to me you are off to a good start

He already is. (You are, basically, too.)

For the record, blindly sheeping Antihero is something I can, and probably will, end up ultimately doing. (AKA, he's town and I'm paying close attention to his reads.)

In fact,
VOTE: Not_Mafia.

Hoopla, what do you make of Desp's encryptor claim and subsequent action.
It literally makes me

Yo, Oversoul.

Anti's thoughts on you are looking accurate.

also I think slice of life is scum
discuss.

Well, then I'm scum bussing any scumbuddy you're suspicious of while I buddy you.

cos mastina won't get pissed at me if I leave them as lynchbait while trying to determine their alignment when mastina is v/la on weekends (so am I) and haylen is hittin da club.

For the record, I'll only not get pissed at you if leaving me as lynchbait is temporary, and you actually reverse it around to prevent me from getting lynched.

<3

Mastin, I've noticed something in our meta together (not your lovable alts). Can you tell me what it is?
It isn't really a something, but it is a definite pattern.

I'm always town and you're always scum?


Juls is probs-town if I'm thinking right, but marquis-hydra is def-town.

VOTE: overlysoul

I'll sheep this when caught up, though I owe my friend a catch-up benefit before then.

Mollie, why are you voting me?

Because she's scumreading you, duh.

do you know who I wanna hear from but is on v/la? mastina. cos I kind of think he had overlysoul as scum towards the endgame in that game.

It does seem scum, but honestly, Oversoul and I have had so few direct interactions that my ability to read him has deteriorated significantly, in that any and all experience I've had reading him recently has been watching theme games that he's in and I'm not (at least, not under the name mastin2). Pinkmin was our last well and true proper game together, and my memory of it's hazy enough that I don't really trust myself to be that accurate.

That being said, still a scumread, soyeah.

I feel like Tales Of taught me some things about Mastin, so we'll see.

Indeed it will.

Let's just hope that the common elements here don't lead to a common result. (Among others, me not having any plans to play but being dragged into a hydra by someone asking, me being the more dominant head of the hydra, us being town, the game being fast, and it being filled with normally high-caliber players.)

lets arm wrestle for nk1 honour

I'd fight for that honor, but it seems that nowadays, people are more interested in "mislynch-mastin-on-d2-in-spite-of-her-being-obvtown". >_>
<_<

Why am I scum Desperado? State your case.

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

F-16 and I agree on SKrew, Desp, and SAD as town.

@mollie:

why is SAD scum?

I'll buy it if others do, but my gutread on SAD is still scum.

julz is town.

Leaning that way, but MASSIVELY ambivalent.

eta: goddammit mastina is scum

Probably, since I'm getting the distinct impression this won't be god-tiered scumhunting from me and will end up being apathetic-lurkish-eh-I'm-not-really-feelin'-it play, but still town. Just scum.

Okay early town reads on desperado, arthur and Jason.

ALCOHOL IS ALSO EVIL!

I think you might still be 2/3 drunk

Kinda scary how in-line Sleepy is with my thoughts.
Calling town.

Which 2/3rds do you agree with?

Well, Desp townread. Jason's not a scumread but not a townread either. He's minorly ambivalent. (Compared to Juls's massively ambivalent.) Arthur is a scumread. And it's not just the opinions Sleepy's presenting; it's also largely the way he's presenting them that seems in line with me.

then why are we not in your town pool?

You are?

I kinda thought that saying I was fully willing to (and probably would end up) sheep you was enough?

Well, I mean we're town, so your read is we're town.

Yep!

eta: mastina why do you have to be scum.

Because I'm not really feelin' like efforts right now.

Like, best description is that I took chill pillz but chilled out too much into apathy when I'm kinda posting and reading for the heck of it but not really putting much soul into it.

IS THIS THAT FALCON PERSON
SCUM

Probably to the first, but...I'm reasonably certain it's no to the second?

On that note, caught up.

VOTE: Oversoul.
Think that's where mollie/Anti are voting.

Will also vote for Not_Mafia.

Probably should get a readslist up.

8. Desperado
9. Perpetual Nonsense (Bert + SXTLHGaiden)
15. Feu et Vol (beastcharizard + Marquis)
7. helium-3 (Antihero + Pirate Mollie)
12. Imperium (Nachomamma8 + Tammy)
11. Sugoku Sugoi (F-16_Fighting_Falcon + pieguyn)
16. SleepyKrew
14. Hoopla
5. Speedy Saki (Metal Sonic + Saki)
1. JasonT1981
10. Juls
2. SaintKerrigan
3. Slandaar
17. Ser Arthur Dayne
13. Oversoul
6. Not_Mafia

4. Nero Cain
18. Nobody Special

Something like this.

the read didn't "change on a dime" and anyone who says it did is either willfully ignorant or misrepping scum.

[helium-3]

Hydra dissonance is an easy way for scum to change their reads without a proper and valid argument for doing so. If I were to change my reads, I would be expected to say why I changed my reads. You didn't explain why the read was changed (until I called you on it), you used the hydra dissonance defense. So explain why your other head converted their scum read to a town read on me after I asked the town to vote you when I flipped town. And for bonus points, do it without saying "I don't know why my other head" said/did.

And holy shit, why the fuck would you hydra when you can't communicate with your partner? This is a big cluster fuck of hydras if I have ever seen one.

don't sign up for games with hydras then. nobody forced you to do so this game and there were already 3 hydrae in the game when you signed up.

mollie and i have similar playstyles and tend to have similar reads anyway, so the bitching about hydra playstyle is disingenuous at best

[helium-3]

I called you out on your choice of defense, not the actual read change. Also, I am saying you will use this defense to change your reads on a dime.

HOLY SHIT WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

i was stating a fact.

mollie said haylenmastin was scum.
a fuckingmillion posts later i said they weren't.

that's a fact.

[helium-3]

Also, I am saying you will use this defense to change your reads on a dime.

oh, is that so nostradamus?

[going to cool off since if i don't i might say something to get myself banned....]

[helium-3]

You defended yourself to Jason by saying "that was mollie". That is what I have a problem with.

THAT'S BECAUSE IT WAS

SHE MADE THE INITIAL READ

I DIDN'T

I MADE THE SECONDARY READ

LISTEN TO WHAT I'M SAYING INSTEAD OF PLANTING YOUR PANTS ON YOUR HEAD AND SCREAMING "LLOALSALLSALDLSAKJFD;LKJSAFLKDS"

[helium-3]

And thanks for explaining your other heads read change on me. It was riveting.

$L#!%$#@!!#

you're terrible

[helium-3]

Dayvig: Helium

Juls would you be okay being lynched if they flip town???

this is a shit gambit. not surprising.

on the off-chance it's real, don't lynch Juls.

sheep mastin. lynch not_mafia and oversoul.

[helium-3]

Whattt??

i could see you pulling a dumb move like that. and if you take offense to that, too bad.

i apparently need to leave instructions for yall since there's apparently a lot of trouble around here understanding basic logic

[helium-3]

i could see you pulling a dumb move like that. and if you take offense to that, too bad.

actually, i hope you do take notice because even with the assumption that it was a reaction test for juls, what was it supposed to achieve?
she was going to say "yes, please 1v1 me" or "no, that's an asinine idea". that doesn't reveal alignment, that just reveals how well she can recognize your inane "trap".

i think you're playing the "too dumb to be scum" card waaaaay too hard here, SAD

[helium-3]

That's a scum response.

Juls is likely town.

what's a town response?

Something along the lines of "lol this is stupid"

as opposed to "this is a gambit, and I know it is, but here let me put this part here about what everyone else should do in case I die to look like it's a town response".

>overly simplistic and fallacious framework
>continuing to just prove my point on him

[helium-3]

this is why slayer's gambit is shit and why "traps" and "trap setters" are terrible, btw

[helium-3]

i'm not mollie, you'll have to wait for her

[helium-3]

Going to sheep Juls onto Helium

Looks like a good wagon.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Helium

^scum

>sits in the backseat being "confused" the whole game
>pawns off a shitty vote on Juls

hoopla / not_mafia / oversoul / SAD

[helium-3]

so....why is slice of life scum and why are you sheeping juls now instead of voting your own scumread?

I didn't like their opening post.

Gonna be honest, haven't had enough time to properly read everything that has happened, so I'm basically operating on tone-based gut reads. Juls is my only real town read, so I'm teaming up with her while I get more invested.

there's that "gonna be honest" again....

/whistle

[helium-3]

there's that "gonna be honest" again....

that's a really good tell.

how about this?

26 pages and only one town read? i'm calling bullshit.

it's buddying.

how's that for a tell?

[helium-3]

it hasn't been mollie all day, juls

i tend not to capitalize stuff and mollie tends to do "textspeak" sometimes (like using numbers for words; some1, etc...)

[helium-3]

So do you only vote those suspicious of you or what?

considering neither you nor notmafia are voting us, that's a shitty argument and further highlights that you're scum

[helium-3]

yo mastin

the last discredit post was a scumclaim

you should have kept your vote

[helium-3]

So do you only vote those suspicious of you or what?

also, since mollie and I are both independently hilariously easy reads, fuck yeah you better believe this wagon is scummier than the bottom of a fishtank

[helium-3]

I didn't realize I said "Do you only vote for people that are voting for you?".

Hmm.

My

mistake.

yeah, smartass it up, because it makes your point more valid.

where did you "suspect" us ever before?

[helium-3]

i just control+f'ed us in your ISO, oversoul

you are so full of shit with your "OMGUS" point

VOTE: oversoul

[helium-3]

furthermore, our points on notmafia and SAD aren't OMGUS since we made them first.

damn, mollie's "sleazy car salesman" analogy was more fitting than i initially thought....

[helium-3]

You're gonna try to tell the person who's known me for such a long time and who can probably read me the best on this site how to read me???

That's pretty lol.

irony, thy name is SAD

[helium-3]

weasel weasel weasel some more, oversoul

Oh? Really? I am?

Let's take a look shall we?

228, where I announce suspicion of the Helium hydra by making comments about them that I am unsure of their alignment. Helium, Mollie specifically, then votes me in 235 for my "sleaziness". While it is true that Helium said an Oversoul vote would be good in 189, these votes that I will show seem to only come at a time when these players suspect Helium.

yes. really. you are. so full of shit.

being unsure of alignment = something to retaliate for? wow. how far up your ass did you have to reach to find that?

Now, let's talk about Not_Mafia and Helium.

Helium's statements that they had called out Not_Mafia first is correct. However, let's take a look at that. 189 Helium announces suspicion of Not_Mafia. In 191, Helium votes Not_Mafia. Helium then does not mention Not_Mafia for ~300 thread posts and 40 of their own posts until Not_Mafia votes them in 451 at which point Helium votes Not_Mafia in retaliation in 468.

make hay more. you already admit we cast the first vote, so notmafia's vote is the retaliatory one.

Helium did attack SAD in the beginning but let off in the middle of the day until SAD brought up his own opinion on Helium.
SAD is more of the same since Helium stuck to him for his "omg quote" post but Mollie says she was waffley on the read, who like Not_Mafia, Helium ignores for several hundred thread posts from 294 until 485 after SAD's own 470 where he makes a mild comment against Helium.

way to invoke really fucking weaselly rhetoric to throw suspicion. we "ignored" someone? perhaps that was because the conversation was focused on someone else (namely, Juls). acting like these are long lost scumreads that magically resurfaced after a long period is wrong and a misrepresentation.

[helium-3]

It is when you vote them and then completely ignore them and only remember to revote them after THEY say something about you.

repeating what you said earlier doesn't make it any more true.

according to you:
>i call them scum
>they OMGUS
>i vote them

what is unnatural/scummy about this progression? and don't tell me "nothing", you're heavily implying it (which is also really really weaselly, btw).

But yes, go on. Fail more at reading me. You know what? I think I am going to add a line to my signature of all the people who can't read me. You and Mastin will top the list.

"ehhhh, you can't read me. waaaaaaah" - every scumplainer
and way to slip and reveal you know i'm town.

[helium-3]

being unsure of alignment = something to retaliate for? wow. how far up your ass did you have to reach to find that?

Yes?

It is also nice you completely ignore the Hoopla part because THAT is totally fucking correct and you know it.

wow, you're getting really down and dirty with this 1v1

guess you gotta push every single detail when you know your case is built on a foundation of horseshit

[helium-3]

So dumb.

haha, and now all you can do is spam.

i'll just go to bed and let you scumflail for a while.

[helium-3]

repeating what you said earlier doesn't make it any more true.

according to you:
>i call them scum
>they OMGUS
>i vote them

what is unnatural/scummy about this progression? and don't tell me "nothing", you're heavily implying it (which is also really really weaselly, btw).

i think this gets to the heart of the issue, oversoul.

ready whenever you are.

[helium-3]

the fact that i never suspected juls shoots that theory to shit

anything else?

also the fact jason's not a scumread either.

[helium-3]

nope

That you only follow through with your accusations when people respond to your accusations. It is reaction rather than proaction. You are a very reactionary player and no one is apparently allowed to suspect you or else they will be voted.

according to this, i'm the mean doo-doo head who OMGUSes

everyone

who suspects me (or... is "unsure" of my alignment... that too).

haha, alright oversoul

[helium-3]

and yeah, you better believe i think scum's taking advantage of Juls' push on us. i'm not "ignoring" that.

[helium-3]

haha

you call me a "reactionary player". i point out that it's because of the way you're framing it/a consequence of the landscape of the game. and... what? you go straight to "RAEG QUIT"?
if you can't articulate your argument in a way that it doesn't sound bullshitty, it's a bad argument.

and i'm more than happy to oblige, tyvm.

[helium-3]

okay I am caught up now but I am posting from my main cos I am on brock's computer I left my macbook at home and I don't remember the pw. I also left my clothes there too so i am wearing reck's shirt and it comes down to my knees.

anti can you plz quote this for me plz tia

a few thoughts:

I think oversoul is town. he is too self-righteous and too indignant about how he will lord it over me forever and ever when he doesn't realise I have not been in the game since like p13 or whatever (not sure about exact page number but not since thursday night). he has been talking to anti. I am also glad he is coming around about hoopla.

also overly when I was talking about postgame cred I was talking about desp. based on a pure gut read he feels kinda scummy but meta says no.

I have only played with sad I think in 1 game and I don't think he wanted to lynch me. I replaced in and made like 5 posts and was nked that night I think so I am not quite sure why he would expect me to know how he plays.

I just want to clarify that anti wants not mafia lynched and I am just letting him do his thing. I can kinda see it but nacho and mastina think there is something to it so

do you know who I wanna kill with fire? SLAANDY

after that? HOOPLA <---- I totes agree a 100% with nacho about her read on overlysoul.

for town I have imp things, slice, bert, skrew, marquis and overly as town.

oh yeah about julz: I have played with 2 of titus's alts on here and julz reminds a lot of titus. I don't think it is anymore cos titus doesn't freak out to that degree when I catch her out. but whatevs. also lean town on julz but I wanna reread our exchanges.

I was the 1 who called you a sleazy car salesman and i am the 1 who got into it with julz. I worked all day yesterday and I am getting ready to go in today.

you srsly need to rethink that hoopla read.

and I better be in your town bloc by the time I get off of work. I think that sugoki read is premature and bert and mastina shld be higher in your list.

that is all.

UNVOTE: then

[helium-3]

i'm surprised people can't tell the difference between me and mollie.

[helium-3]

That was all anti?



Well, I'll add him to the list then.

i even hydra slipped in the middle of it.... ._.

I am not pushing it. People keep not understanding what I mean, including you so I keep trying to explain it. Can someone who does understand what I am saying explain it better for me?

no,

you're

the one who doesn't understand. Feu just explained it to you, but you'll just plug your fingers in your ears and scream about how misunderstood you are because you

yourself

won't listen.
no "read change" on mastin occurred. you will never cede this point, so you'll keep beating this drum and people who actually know how a hydra works will keep disagreeing with you.

[helium-3]

so, straightening out who's opinion is who's is a scumtell because..........

[helium-3]

you present "hydra dissonance defense" like there's an alternative.

so... i'm supposed to bullshit and tell everyone why this opinion "changed" (when, really, there was never a change because i never had a scumread on mastin to begin with)? how fucked is that?

orrr... what? i'm supposed to explain

mollie's

read for everyone else? i think i'll let mollie do that because mollie is perfectly capable of speaking for herself.

[helium-3]

Someone said to Juls that she doesn't understand how hydras work, but that isn't the case at all, she just has a different idea about how hydras should work.

you say tomato, i say tomato
i really do think that's the heart of the issue here. i won't say anything more about it.

[helium-3]

i would
VOTE: SaintKerrigan

[helium-3]

Vote: Speedy Saki

Get your godsdamned act together or else I'll make sure you don't see lylo.

SS, does that really look like me trying to join a counterwagon? Be honest.

The only reason I voted Saki is because they've been pissing me off the entire time I've been doing my catch up. Why? Because the slot's been playing dumb for the majority of the game and it got to the point where literally just seeing a Saki post would make me feel like punching out my monitor. (Perhaps not quite to that extreme, but I trust you get my point.)

really? what makes them particularly bad offenders?

you spend a lot of time being absolutely apoplectic about a lot of things, but i don't really see a lot of content when i pull up your iso.

got any reads that are based on anything relevant to this specific game?

[helium-3]

VOTE: not_mafia

because pieguy and oversoul

eta: suck it SK

psa:jason t is pretty scummy

I have that much influence on you despite being mostly a pariah this game?

sleepy

babycakes, how come this didn't register to you as victimization or whatever crap you're pulling on me?

serious question is really really serious.

because I've already taken note of Oversoul's slimeyness, but more importantly, that has nothing to do with what I'm asking you

actually it totally does because in the realm of playing the victim someone claiming to be a pariah this game, when I'm not sure where he's getting that, and early claiming that someone doesn't like him, is more along the lines of your victim tell than someone thinking no matter what read they give someone is going to be unsatisfying.

I think him calling himself a pariah in this game wasn't that inaccurate

I thought your reaction to falcon did not make sense. Now that I have context, it does. This is all about perspective Tammy.

who is marginalizing overlysoul?

I mean I was scumreading him for a bit and anti hit him hard but we are 2 players in 1 slot that hardly supports a claim to pariah like you saying it is.

I don't like your exchanges with tammy 1 bit. your interjection that you don't like the way that I formulated my tammy read looks like scum freaking out cos tammy and I found each other.

you are also hinting that you are going to nk tammy cos you think that I am less well liked and you might be able to lynch us.

@ tammy

I am sus of mastina cos she thinks slaandy provided content when slaandy didn't. her trying to move skrew into a town slot in overly's bloc looks scummy in hindsight to skrew's latest posts.

overly I hope you are freaking paying attention to this and not glazing over my posts. mastina if scum is probs going to sleaze all over you this game. plz don't let her.

can i talk to pie of sugoki plz. I never got an apology from f16 after wicked when I def think I deserve 1 after he fueled the chamber and I squabble as sleazey slimey scum in wicked. I like pie.

[helium-3]

I think him calling himself a pariah in this game wasn't that inaccurate
I thought your reaction to falcon did not make sense. Now that I have context, it does. This is all about perspective Tammy.

Yeah but asking me about context is one thing. Asking me why I would have responded to Falcon's question the way I did would be asking me a question. Accusing me of victimization isn't asking that.

It's immediately trying to paint my question and response in a particular light. It was a similar thing you did with the Mollie interaction. You didn't try to understand it; you tried to discredit it. That's not scumhunting or being proactive, that's discrediting and trying to create a rift that I think has been made obvious exists and that both of us are trying to work through and together in this game, so I don't understand why a town you would try to crater that

.

this. so much of this.

[helium-3]

you are such scum slaandy

tammy/mollie is gonna be like a 4 headed hydra. yaye!

do you know who would made a great fifth wheel? MASTINA

securing that read would be a amazing.

going home, see you guys in a few hours.

[helium-3]

The 2 votes on Shos..

His post reads completely fake.

Why do I keep botching quotes...

Oh wow slandaar could start doing something any minute now.

I said I would today and I will.

It's posts like 962 which just disengage me from the game.

Jasons questioning what the votes on shos were for then agreeing with them is pretty bad.

Don't really care for the Tammy/Sleepy war, kinda skimmed it, but I have Sleepy as scum from earlier in the game so there is that.

hahahahahahahahaha
ahahahslkd;fjlksa;djfkl;jdsaklfj;liewaf
asjfdklsa;jel;w

you are so scum

[helium-3]

helium is FUCKING TOWN DAMMIT due to mollie-meta, I'm definitely not falling here again(hi mollie )

/backhand

hey shos

[helium-3]

Jason might actually be town.

I left out some words in my big long post which included that while jason is milling around and acting scummily clueless and not engaged

I am leaning town.

but I am curious as to why you think I should know your play? cos that confuses me a great deal and makes me not trust you.

I don't like how overly and desp immediately jumped to kerrigan after anti voted that slot. but gutwise in rvs kerrigan DID feel scummy.

shos you are simply going to have to do better.

you desp you are chopped liver for now.

god I am so glad that I am back on my macbook holy jesus

I am not wanting to lynch speedy saki cos metal tried to gambit and every1 ignored him how funny. metal is town.

we aren't lynching julz either. she is town.

don't know how I feel about not mafia I don't know him and he seems a bit like lynchbait. gonna talk to anti about him.

we could always lynch slaandy! that would be funny especially since he is scum.

skrew's exchanges with tammy look like bs and I agree with every word tammy said about him.

overly what part of that if mastina is scum she will sleaze all over you do you not understand.

god I have so much packing to do.

@ f16

where is where you hopped on the antimollie train and marginalised me by echoing cabd and chamber for the reasons (which were completely and utter bs) that they gave as a way to avoid interaction with me after i started really scumreading you and pushing for your lynch. you basically said I was not worth talking to and every1 let you get away with it. I don't care if you were scum it was bs. and made chamber and cabd feel vindicated even tho they were dead fucking wrong I never insulted chamber at all. he said he was smarter than me and much better at mafia AND I AGREED WITH HIM EVEN THO ALL OF HIS READS WERE WRONG. how was that insulting?

anyways my participation will be sporadic cos I am moving this week.

I think we shld lynch skrew.

@ pie - remember when I said that desp's reaction to mine and bert's outing us as the vig was wrong? skrew is showing the same kind of wrongness. do you see what I mean?

eta: I do think pie had a point about not mafia. also not lynching beast hydra.

[helium-3]

I don't like how overly and desp immediately jumped to kerrigan after anti voted that slot. but gutwise in rvs kerrigan DID feel scummy.

town move in herds. i think i heard that somewhere.

it's almost like my juls push wasn't going anywhere anymore so i decided to help a townread push their scumread that i also lean scum on.

!!!!!

wow!

lol, welcome to my untouchable townpile desp

DAMMIT I FORGOT TO GET NEWSPAPER TO WRAP THE DISHES IN

[helium-3]

overly what part of that if mastina is scum she will sleaze all over you do you not understand.

The sleaze part lol.

What exactly is sleaze in this case?

play his game to you

[helium-3]

so, we have less than two days before deadline. has anyone started compromising/y

elling about lack of time

yet? consider me sheeping them instead now.

reading...

oh hey hoopla

thanks for reminding us all that you're still scum

[helium-3]

we could always lynch slaandy! that would be funny especially since he is scum.

i concur

[helium-3]

i'm very underwhelmed by your catchup, shos

[helium-3]

oh hey hoopla

thanks for reminding us all that you're still scum

explain?

you plan on sheeping people who are screaming about being short on time?

those are the scumbags.

also, you explain. explain.... anything.

[helium-3]

I don't really know what the point of this post is,

because I know you'll construe it as whining since it doesn't comply with your mantra about how you play the game

, but I feel like at least talking and trying to interact with people more will help bring me back into the game, or at least help you guys read me more. This is where I'm at mentally. Perfectly willing to sheep and compromise with anyone trustworthy, because it looks like the game is going around in circles... giant, giant circles. We need more sheep, because not everyone can be a leader.

haha
you're pretty quick on the uptake

rough reads (even an incomplete or short list) would be a good place to start

(this is my version of a reach-out, by the way)

[helium-3]

take a look at speedy saki's entire ISO. its entirity should take you about 1 minute to read fully and understand.

ok.......

you going tell me something about how you arrived to the "saki is scum" conclusion or is all this to build dramatic suspense?

[helium-3]

Well, I am currently 15 pages adrift and have at multiple times including now, feel like I have overextended myself and can't keep up with some of the players in the game. For me, I sympathise with Juls' ire with the hydras, although my complaint is more along the lines of having 26 players crammed into 19 slots, which is just adding volume to the game, and not the good kind of volume, because like Juls' talks about, it is schizophrenic and hard to approach. I'm not saying it's anyone's fault for all this, though. I knew there were hydras playing in the game and I knew it'd be a challenging game for me, as I am used to smaller games where it's possible to get a read on everyone and work the game out via PoE - that is my modus operandi. I lack confidence in developing behavioural reads (especially on players I barely know) to the point where I feel dishonest when I express reads based on a gut reaction to their behaviour because I know how easy it is to be wrong about someone when you view them in isolation. I am used to seeing gamestates as a whole, and solving it that way - it's the only way I've really ever been a successful player as town, and obviously, I cannot do it in a game this large.

I am trying to start though, and have several solid town reads. Someone was lamenting my reads were mostly based on the claims, and I'm aware of that - those are one aspect of the game where I am good at reading the situation and setup and seeing if it makes sense. The reason I am so willing to sheep someone I trust is because I actually feel like this will forward the game. For an advertised "quick" game, it actually hasn't been very quick. Few people have made efforts to progress the game forward - few people are compromising and trying to build new wagons, and we haven't even got anyone close to being lynched. The majority of people aren't trying to further the game - they are using the theme as a license to spam without remorse. It is fine for people who keep up with it, because they are improving their reads by participating in the process, but there are always going to be people left behind and this will essentially be the lynch pool. In a game this size, I am extremely skeptical about town's ability to make meaningful choices early in the game, to the point where utility lynching is probably optimal to make future days more efficient.

I don't really know what the point of this post is, because I know you'll construe it as whining since it doesn't comply with your mantra about how you play the game, but I feel like at least talking and trying to interact with people more will help bring me back into the game, or at least help you guys read me more. This is where I'm at mentally. Perfectly willing to sheep and compromise with anyone trustworthy, because it looks like the game is going around in circles... giant, giant circles. We need more sheep, because not everyone can be a leader.

so who are those townreads and why are you not sheeping them yet (or are you?)

what do you think of slaandy, skrew and mastina right now?

what is weird is that you are poo-pooing early finding scum on d1 and saying that we are in a time crunch at the same time.

do you not hit scum on d1 ever? it seems like you have to statistically at least sometimes. you say you poe things out so where is the poe list? cos since you are worried about the time crunch (and I have expressed worries too so why am I not an auto sheep???) but you seem awfully reluctant to do anything about it.

@ julz

oh I am sure this hydra is giving her fits and that she could look very genuine about it. enough to make 3 paragraphs. that doesn't make her town.

[helium-3]

oh hai you gave a readslist!

haha
you're pretty quick on the uptake

rough reads (even an incomplete or short list) would be a good place to start

you should know by now we have very opposite approaches to the game.

so far you are saying that you poe things out which is what do so I am not seeing the opposition.

TOWNIES/WOULD CONSIDER SHEEPING WITH:

Juls
Oversoul
Perpetual Nonsense
Feu Et Vol
Sugoku Sugoi
Desp

I bet all of these are town and I bet you would sheep them cos none of them are hitting scum are they

TOWNIE BUT WON'T FOLLOW

Speedy Saki (obnoxious trolling that scum don't do as often as bored town)

MEH

Slice of Life
Imperium
SleepyKrew

there will be scum in here.

HINT TO TOWN: it isn't tammy.

DUNNO

Not_Mafia
Helium
SaintKerrigan
Ser Arthur Dayne
JasonT
Slandaar
Shos

lol, why are we in your dunno pile

basically willing to follow my town reads onto the dunno pile, and would consider my meh pile afterwards. as such...

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SaintKerrigan

you are voting for kerrigan and sheeping desp who just said he was trying to work with our scumread but you have us as "dunno"?

OVERLYSOUL WHERE IS THE HIGHER LEVEL PLAYING HERE COS I AM NOT SEEING IT

AND I AM NOT WANTING TO TOUCH KERRIGAN ATM

VOTE: SKREW

[helium-3]

so who are those townreads and why are you not sheeping them yet (or are you?)

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p5951504

oh I saw this in eta but I was conferring with anti and wanted to confer with him on some things.

[helium-3]

because i don't have a town read on you.

that's an answer that leaves a lot to be desired.

you give me too much credit, oversoul. i am good in games where the conditions suit me.

/askance look

[helium-3]

you should know by now we have very opposite approaches to the game.

o.O

...and where should i know this from? (this is antihero)

you know, i'm giving you a chance to fill in a lot of cracks from your early game play, but instead you're getting cagey as shit

is that because there's nothing really there to fill in?

[helium-3]

so far you are saying that you poe things out which is what do so I am not seeing the opposition.

then you ought to understand where i coming from then.

lol, why are we in your dunno pile

because i don't have a town read on you.

why not?

the difference between us poeing things out is that we are totally getting our hands dirty and formulating reads and readjusting as more info is garnered.

you have not done or are doing any of this. instead you are looking for easy wagons to sheep.

that doesn't look like some1 trying to figure the game out to me.

[helium-3]

Oh look helium made a post and it

wasn't

explaining that vote on me. So are you going to actually push my lynch or just sit there until deadline?

I explained my suspicions on you earlier and it has to do with your exchanges with tammy so unless you are going to claim very early onset senility you shld probs know the reason as to why we are voting you.

[helium-3]

you probably spam and play this way as scum, so i don't think you "getting your hands dirty" is meaningful AT ALL in regards to your alignment. as such, i have you in the dunno pile.

haha, actually neither of us do

we're expected to have some meta knowledge on you, but you apparently don't have any on us. why is that?

[helium-3]

helium, cut her some fucking slack. The game has went almost 50 pages in 3 days. It's not like anyone has a full handle on this game. This "pushing" is not gaining information, you are just trying to annoy this shit out of her until she snaps. That is not a town or scum condition, it is a human condition.

oh?

if hoopla's getting "annoyed" she can bite me. asking for reads and scrutinizing said reads in a mafia game is not an unreasonable or outrageous request at all.

[helium-3]

helium, cut her some fucking slack. The game has went almost 50 pages in 3 days. It's not like anyone has a full handle on this game. This "pushing" is not gaining information, you are just trying to annoy this shit out of her until she snaps. That is not a town or scum condition, it is a human condition.

julz we had a misunderstanding.

plz don't try to transfer that misunderstanding to some1 who gave you towncred when you felt alone.

scum will do that, I totally fell for it in an open game with kmd.

I pissed you off.

you didn't piss me off, I inhaled a bunch of ciggies cos I was worried that I was wrong about you and starting to trolleytrack (you guys use tunnel on here but I think trolleytrack is more apt as in it is a hockey term which you are so blindsighted you don't see the scum coming at you from a different direction and lose teeth cos it hits that hard).

don't oversympathize just cos some1 is echoing your opinion about feelings. I know this is hard and I am certainly not immune to it.

but how hoopla is reasoning things out leaves much to be desired in that there are some holes in her thinking that do not match up in the little what we know about hoopla.

and we are aggressively going after skrew and to some degree mastina hydra as in I expect her to fix computer problems by tomorrow.

[helium-3]

haha, actually neither of us do

How do you play as scum, Mollie?

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/eHRgPDt8sUSEb

I have no charismatix.

[helium-3]

Town or scum, trying to push someone until they get pissed off is just a stupid way to play the game.

I agree it is why when I genuinely piss some1 off I do a recheck.

like, marquis got after me for using the term "retarded" when I have very strong feelings about that.

my son is autistic and was considered "medically retarded" for a very long time until he finally reached his milestones.

he isn't now.

marquis thought he had this idea that I only use the term as an insult but it couldn't be further from the truth.

so I rechecked and if you notice I don't toss that word around as much cos marquis is sensitive to it.

I feel like all of us, every1 are capable of having "retarded" moments, it implies we are stunted in our thinking. <--- this isn't an insult.

Hoopla can take care of herself, I am more concerned with the amount of spamming you are doing that is not adding anything to the game from what I can tell. It will make the game even harder for those who aren't caught up to get caught up or stay engaged in the game. I forget who said it but whoever said that spamming just because it is a "quick" game is not adding to the game was right.

So I am asking you to chill out a bit. Quality over quantity.

as of now, we have 134 posts (highest count!) with 2 heads, and tammy has 131 when she says she is the only 1 who has posted and skrew has 131.

so who are you attacking for spamming?

in mine and tammy's defense; more than likely if we hit scum on d1 than 1 of us will be the most likely n1 kill. if skrew is town (and we are solidly not sure!) then he would be a contender.

unless we are all wrong and it is in the (lol) lurkers (hi slaandy!). could you plz chew on that for a minute?

the best way to play as town is to move town in while simultaneously move scum out. we do this through interaction.

we are actively doing this but hoopla isn't altho she says this is how she plays. do you see the difference? she only just now put out a readslist under duress only from us.

eta: @ stop trying to assign an emotion to something I personally am not feeling. I think you are just trying to discredit us. it feels like what f16 did in wicked.

[helium-3]

the best way to play as town is to move town in while simultaneously move scum out. we do this through interaction.

we are actively doing this but hoopla isn't altho she says this is how she plays. do you see the difference? she only just now put out a readslist under duress only from us.

my readslist is basically the same as what it is has been since i was last online. it's because nothing has happened. you like to believe there is, because you believe you are making meaningful and insightful plays and are asking good questions, but i am pretty sure everything you believe now will go out the window by say day 3 or so when we actual information in the game like flips, a bunch of wagons and good role info. the majority of people's reads at this stage are coming from aesthetics and clashes of playstyle, in my opinion, which essentially makes d1 pseudo-utility/policy lynching.

today has just been an exercise in arguing for the sake of arguing. the result of all your bluster is a vote on sleepykrew a day and a bit out from deadline who few people suspect and who probably won't be lynched today. how does it feel to know that my play is currently furthering the game more than you?

knock all you want, but flips are meaningless without discussion beforehand. and this ...what did you call it? ... "bluster" is how i get my reads.

hoopla, how heavily would you say you use meta when formulating reads?

[helium-3]

you get your reads at the expense of annoying a bunch of people and putting others into permanent catch-up mode. it's selfish play, in my opinion.

there are single users who aren't very far behind us in terms of post count, and the only people in "catch up mode" are you and SaintKerrigan, as far as i know.
shos replaced in yesterday and he seems to be catching up without much trouble or complaint so you really think there are a lot of malcontents out there?

the only thing really annoying to

me

in this game is this passive-aggressive shaming, in my opinion.

[helium-3]

the best way to play as town is to move town in while simultaneously move scum out. we do this through interaction.

we are actively doing this but hoopla isn't altho she says this is how she plays. do you see the difference? she only just now put out a readslist under duress only from us.

my readslist is basically the same as what it is has been since i was last online.

it's because nothing has happened.

I think something did. I think some town found each other. why the discredit?

you like to believe there is, because you believe you are making meaningful and insightful plays and are asking good questions, but i am pretty sure everything you believe now will go out the window by say day 3 or so when we actual information in the game like flips, a bunch of wagons and good role info. the majority of people's reads at this stage are coming from aesthetics and clashes of playstyle, in my opinion, which essentially makes d1 pseudo-utility/policy lynching.

so why are you voting kerrigan? do you think that their play is more below than the pseudo/utility/pl lynching that you for some think is more effective or do you think that their play is psuedo/utility pl lynching material? cos I can't get a strong sense of a stance from you. what I get from you is that you are okay with any lynch as long as it is not you or your scummates.

I think you are trying to push a ut/pl lynch badly. cos it usually winds up on town.

but yeah sure, probs most peeps will forget what we have said by d3. hopefully we can leave a trail that will inspire a thought process that will inspire a town win and that is all we can do.

today has just been an exercise in arguing for the sake of arguing.

we were trying to fornulate reads. what were you doing exactly?

the result of all your bluster is a vote on sleepykrew a day and a bit out from deadline who few people suspect and who probably won't be lynched today. how does it feel to know that my play is currently furthering the game more than you?

find moar reasons to push that dl/ut/pl lynch

[helium-3]

For what it is worth, I am in catch up mode and about 15 pages behind at this point. I've skimmed them of course but I've only completely read everything to about page 34 so I'm catching up from there.

Helium, you probably don't want to talk to me but the issue with your posting for me isn't the number of posts but the content of them. Tammy has nearly as many posts as you but most of them are calm interactions like her reachout to Juls and most of her posting involves working with players, comforting them if they are frustrated and want to replace out etc. It is not the number of posts that is the issue Juls was referring to, but rather that her interaction with you felt like a lot of noise. Your posting isn't similar or comparable to that.

I am not sold that Hoopla is town but I agree with her sentiment as she is feeling the same way as me about not wanting to be a leader but a follower in this gamestate. I've just gotten off of a recent game where a lot of people, me included were involved in a very tense gamestate and I think the major problem there was too many people leading the game and too many strong personalities. All I am asking is to take a step back and let the thread breathe for a while.

did you see my hard reach out to julz yes or no

do you think that I am trying to work with other players yes or no

lets go from there

[helium-3]

throw in slandaar, nobody special and slice of life is back 12 pages now. Feu has posted once in the last 12 pages + sugoku. others have been behind at different times. dunno why we're debating this though.

mebbe it has to do with quality of posts which you are using to try to discredit us.

I would say all of those have demonstrated that they are behind.

I think i did too! like I was gone for a number of pages.

of those pages I would say slaandy is beeing skeevy, ns is making noises where he is genuinely trying to catch up, feu is bored and is checking out, sugoku (f16) is pursuing tangential angles.

we are debating this cos you seem to want to make a point about it and it is why we shld be pushing a dl/pl/ut lynch.

I am pushing this point cos it seems weird that you want to do this when there are a lot of reads to be gained so far and it seems like you are not interest in any of that.

my main point is you're not actually furthering the game.

you want to further the game by forcing a pl/ut/dl lynch yeah I get this. my question to you is why are you not advancing the field in a way that leaves town a clear trail of your thoughts.

i can guarantee you right now, what is going to happen is there'll be a mad scramble five hours from deadline, and we won't have to time to assess the claim/interrogate them about it (an actual meaningful thing that could happen on D1), watch the fallout onto other wagons if need be (another meaningful thing that could happen D1) and make good decisions based on that info. almost 50% of D1's in mini normals are decided in the dying hours of deadline because nobody is willing to compromise before it's too late. that pattern replays itself over and over again because people are unnecessarily invested in their own reads (which are basically arbitrary anyway on D1) and won't compromise. learn to follow from time to time.

but you knew the setup when you signed up. I think 4 days is pretty long.

are you 1 to think that d1 is best if chaff is cut from the hull?

cos in that we may be opposite.

also there are a bunch of questions that you didn't answer in my previous posts.

what I don't understand is you seem to be giving up scumhunting no matter what; according to you there is no good way to handle d1. except that you seem to think that a dl/ut/pl is probs for the best but then you condemn that line of thinking cos you seem to think it will happen anyway cos every1 will jump on and rush decide. like I am seriously not getting it.

[helium-3]

@Helium:

What does pl/dl/ut mean? You probably missed it when I asked the first time you said it.

-Beast

didn't you say that it was policy lynch, deadline lynch, utility lynch?

I didn't respond cos I thought you got the abbreviates.

[helium-3]

the only claim you have said you believe in so far (mebbe I missed it) was in julz neighborhood claim.

there is the marquis claim (did you comment on this wait aren't they in your dunno category and desp whom you are sheeping the read is in your townpile cos you are "sheeping your townreads!" who was supporting us).

so mebbe you could revisit the stances that you supposedly have?

like this is not an empty or irrelevant question and this is the second time I am asking you.

[helium-3]

no wait, double checked you have marquis in your townpile. my bad

[helium-3]

@mollie:

what do you want to talk about?

also walk me through this scumread on Oversoul you have, bc I don't see it. I think the way he blatantly asked to be neighborized and then had no concrete reasons behind it was p town

I have long since moved off of overlysoul

I asked you a bolded question could you plz respond

[helium-3]

@ pie - remember when I said that desp's reaction to mine and bert's outing us as the vig was wrong? skrew is showing the same kind of wrongness. do you see what I mean?

I don't remember you saying this but I do remember it feeling off

what exactly felt off about it? like I agree it's p ridiculous, but I can see it possibly being legitimate and I get the feeling it might not necessarily be scum. unless I'm missing smth

i said it on the zombie board. would you like me to post it?

okay so why do you think it is legitimate? cos skrew is saying that he thinks my reasons for townreading tammy are bs and that tammy was claiming vicimization. do you agree with these statements? if so can you walk me through a bit tia?

[helium-3]

I sheep the leading wagon, not a person. I dpnt rmember who thatvwas earlier that made me understand thatbpush on NM - but there was one so there

VOTE: not_mafia

^scum

at least slaandy is trying to be helpful and bus you

[helium-3]

VOTE: shos

I would like pie's input on skrew and to hear what tammy thinks.

[helium-3]

VOTE: shos

I would like pie's input on skrew and to hear what tammy thinks.

NOTE TO SELF

you incessantly bitched and moaned about how everyone needs to get on a realistic wagon and how we needed to explain our suspicion of you.

we did both and now it's a "note to self"?

lol

[helium-3]

there's precedence for millers w/o cops, people

[helium-3]

yeah, except mollie never did leave it "unexplained" or leave you "unpushed" as she was trying to make you the forefront of her conversations with other people.

great shoehorning, though

[helium-3]

i said it on the zombie board. would you like me to post it?

okay so why do you think it is legitimate? cos

skrew is saying that he thinks my reasons for townreading tammy are bs

and that tammy was claiming vicimization. do you agree with these statements? if so can you walk me through a bit tia?

link me to where he said the bolded plz?

I must have either missed it or I don't remember it, sry

I disagree with him calling Tammy's post victimization, but I can potentially see town thinking that especially if he doesn't have much experience with Tammy or if he just wasn't reading too much into it. I can also potentially see town not caring about stepping into other ppl's conversations, since that's a playstyle issue. the first part of his interactions makes a lot more sense if you assume he didn't know the context when he was reading it. on the other hand, him calling Tammy "obvscum" did feel really off and now he's not really following up on it (although that could be bc he doesn't wanna push a lynch on someone who's def not going to be lynched)

overall I'm taking the whole thing as null until I figure it out. I still can't make any sense out of it

here it is:

I kind of think that Tammy agreeing not to argue being indicative of her being town is bullshit? Like, that's a personal issue between you two that isn't game-related.

it isn't a personal issue between us.

I said that it was the rapidity of her response and the genuineness of it that makes me think she is town and I am pretty sure that she town here. skrew in rvs asked if tammy was his sister or his aunt and I alluded to the game in response to him so I am wondering why he would suddenly develope amnesia and somehow forget all of that and then get weird on both of us but yet it isn't worth pursuing today and yet he still does from the sidelines in the form of discrediting.

but I left out some words in my big long post and I am wondering if that is what he jumping all over and I need help parsing this out.

[helium-3]

ok I'm rereading this and I'm not convinced SKrew accusing Tammy of "victimization" is scum trying to instigate stuff. the way I read it, him asking about "victimization" was his way of asking why she responded in the way she did - and especially given he wasn't aware of the context re: Tammy v. F-16 and said he hasn't played any games with Tammy, I could potentially see that line of argument from a town POV although I do see the possibility she's thinking of

I read that post and I get the feeling him saying "Tammy agreeing not to argue" is a blanket phrase for the whole interaction between you two. again it makes sense if he isn't familiar with the context and how it comes across in games

tl;dr: it makes a lot of sense from someone who isn't familiar with Tammy and wants to get a read on her, although I do think you all have a valid point and after thinking about all this I'm left with a metric fuckton of null and I don't know how to parse it either

although now I'm wondering about the "is Tammy my aunt" comment you mentioned bc that doesn't make much sense if he isn't familiar with Tammy, but I'm prob just missing or misremembering smth

none of this addresses the post you asked me to produce. the tammy is my aunt was a sideline.

can we lynch shos

[helium-3]

mastin, where are you?

i'm dyin' to talk to you.

[helium-3]

I will move the vote when I return from work.

I would much prefer a NM lynch though. Their reads list feels like a last ditch effort to look town after their VT claim.

-Beast

the readslist is looked like town trying to get his last thoughts out there. not mafia does not strike me as savvy enough or so well experienced that he could pull off a solid The Mist™ spreading list with players of this caliber.

look at his join date. read his posts. he is still fairly new.

does shos look town to you?

DO YOU KNOW WHO ISN'T TOWN IT IS THAT MASTINA THING WHO IS VOTEPARKING ON OVERLYSOUL WHOM OVERSOUL HAS SAID THAT THEY HAVE A LONG HISTORY OF DISTRUST THIS IS TEXTBOOK SCUMMASTINA

[helium-3]

DO WE HAVE THE NUMBERS TO SPEEDLYNCH MASTINA

[helium-3]

@ shos

mastina hydra is slice of life

I am ambivalent as in I have strong opposing feelings about skrew

tammy has jason as town and she gave a meta case so you might want to look at that before you shoot him.

eta: jesus christ julz let him get his shit together before he is lynched that vote looks horrifying as fuck

[helium-3]

dear shos,

if you are town I am sorry that
I once again leaped all over you.
will you plz forgive me so we can be
bff. I don't think there is enough
time to wagon some1 else but if
you want me too I will try. plz
shoot slice of life which is
mastina and haylen if I have no success.

ty <3

love,

mollie

@ tammy

we arrived to the conclusion that hoopla is town. anti is still mad at her but she is probs town. but everything you said I said too you just use moar words.

sad never got back with me about how I am expected to know his meta or how he seems to really know mine. I think some1 in the qt is feeding him info and gun to head I would say mastina.

@ hi haylen!

it hasn't been ages since you have played mafia! I think it was less than a year ago we were in maniacal street together. oh and I need to check something but I think mastina has posted since having said computer issues just elsewhere. which isn't always a scumtell BUT IT WOULD BE FOR HIM COS HE KNOWS IF I AM IN THE GAME AND HE PUTS FORTH A TINY BIT OF EFFORT I WILL HOWL AND SCREAM ABOUT NOT LYNCHING HIM. PLUS I WILL WHINE INCESSANTLY UNTIL HE PAYS ME AT LEAST SOME ATTENTION.

I am moving but i am trying to keep up with this game cos I know dl is approaching. and I didn't get horribly lost.

@ tammy

what do you now think of skrew?

@ every1 else

if you so much as touch bert I will crush you. he is towntowntown, bert and I have a hydra that has a fair amount of games under its belt. we know each other's seekrits. treat it as a cop read no way is bert scum.

why the fuck did I get carded I am freaking 41 next week.

totes will be using birthday powahz all day in the most obnoxious way possible if we are still alive.

town:

tammy
bert
julz
speedy saki leave them alone
desp
not mafia
hoopla
marquis hydra (despite beast's best efforts to scum it up)
possibly ns
most likely sugoki cos of pie, f16's posts make me wanna vomit they are just like the crappy vacuous wishy washy meta reads as he did in wicked that every1 bought hook line and sinker. what makes him look good is that him asking tammy how she is reading him reads as genuine cos f16 already knows how to look town as scum he snuck past some spectacular players like ces fenny chamber and mina but of course not MOI. he would have no need to ask that, some people would find it scummy and oh look some people did.
overlysoul
jason

here there be scum:

slice of life
slaandy - avoiding this game as if it had an std plz lynch with fire
sad
skrew
possibly kerrigan dunno

pie

plz pay attention the skrew read. pretty plz with sugar on top. I know you won't get what I am trying to say but if those posts looked off to you give it some more thought pretty plz.

tammy

plz ask nacho about mastina and tell him he owes me after touhou. also I hate to tell you this but sad isn't town. plz don't make the same mistake you made with empire in asofai I put a lot of stock in your read in that game and outshouted what every fiber of my being was telling me.

if any1 has any questions plz ask.

if we are nked will some1 plz restore my faith in mafia by at least

considering

our dead reads.

jesus christ my dog is needy.

[helium-3]

UNVOTE: shos

VOTE: Slice of Life

Mod Edit: corrected vote to reflect the correct name. Vote was typed out for Mastin.

[helium-3]

we will dl lynch shos only if necessary

[helium-3]

Alright so I'm gonna go and shoot sleepykrew.

you guys should be totally wary of speedyslot which has lurked so far for 60 pages
oversoul iss town
the feu slot is supertown
hoopla looks town especially for the effort of investigating stats for D1 vanilla claims
Jason can very well be scum, opportunistic, low hanging fruit, etc etc; if he flips scum then autolynch not_mafia since I was their counterwagon
Desp is probably town because scum eencryptor would have to make an enourmous preplanned gambit, especially if he doesn't know of any other town encryptors.

dat sugoiu sogoo slot I remember as town leaning

the hydra that contains charizard looks quite townie as well iirc.


no memory of anyone else. going to sleep, if I'm hammered before DL good luck. if not I'll hammer myself 1h from DL tomorrow

DON'T GO TO SLEEP YET

[helium-3]

So whats the point/reasons behind the vote change?

Do I detect nervous scum partner not wanting buddy to be lynched so try to derail it last minute? lol

*RAGE*

THIS IS ME HAVING BEEN ON THE SAME SCUMTEAM AS SHOS AND HIM TRYING HARD TO CARRY ME IN THAT GAME AND HIM BEING A UNIVERSAL TOWNREAD. HE AND NACHO BOTH DID, I REPLACED OUT COS I WAS SOLO AND COULD NOT GIVE THE ATTENTION THE GAME DESERVED. I REPLACED OUT OF AL SOLO GAMES DURING THAT TIME 2 TOWN AND 1 SCUM. SHOS IS MUCH MORE CAREFUL AS SCUM AND HE IS LEAVING A TRAIL AND NOT IN A SCUMMY WAY. IF HE IS SHOOTING SKREW THEN IT MAKES SENSE FROM HIS PERSPECTIVE COS SHOS LIKES TO PLAY SCUM AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY SO DOES SKREW SO THEY TEND NOT TO FUCK THOSE GAMES UP.

DON'T YOU GIVE ME ANY LIP DESP!!!

[helium-3]

ETA: SKREW ISN'T FUCKING THIS GAME UP

[helium-3]

coming to thinkk of it, there are so many people in this game who haave played with me so much that it is quite astounding that none of them talk like mollie. damn you mollie, now I'm gonna hve to superconsider mastin


pedit:who's the other? lol

if you are scum then </3

and I will cry forever

but I don't think you are

[helium-3]

like if shos is scum and he is working me over this badly I will haunt his inbox weekly once this game is over. for as long as my tears and embarrassment last.

or I might ask him to hydra so that I can berate him IRT

@ haylen

people always refer to any hydra that I am in as mollie. it is funny when it is nacho and I cos people get confused cos they can't tell which of us to address. bert finds it funny. desp doesn't care. I have no idea what mastina thinks since he can legitimately go awol on a hydra so I CAN empathize with you to some degree. mala and borky get pissy. majiffy doesn't care.

pester him. tell him to get his ass in here. tell him you need his help cos mollie is on the rampage against you guys and needs his help in sorting you out cos it is hard for me to read you haylen. tell him to do it before shos gets lynched.

[helium-3]

you [SleepyKrew] are also hinting that you are going to nk tammy cos you think that I am less well liked and you might be able to lynch us.

Could you quote the post(s) that make you believe this? I'm not seeing it. At all.

I am just going to go into a full meta read on skrew.

skrew likes to play scum. it is true! in games when he is town he gets bored and will either derp as a special or disappear altogether. he invested in this game and it makes me wonder why.

skrew is by no means a shitty player, that is not what I am trying to convey at all. but in order for him to like playing town he would have to feel like he had some control over the game and he would have to love the playerlist. anti thought his immediately wanting to lynch shos for claiming vengeful makes sense in a way cos I even told anti I can see scum claiming vengeful in order to avoid getting lynched. but shos is genuinely trying to figure out who to vengekill and not in a scummy way and under so much pressure and under so little time. like I don't think he believes that I can truly turn this around. and he isn't fighting it really.

back to skrew.

skrew's reaction to me reading tammy as town for the reasons I gave looked ever so wrong. his then turning on tammy looked even worse. his exchanges with tammy and that he didn't follow up looks weird from a global POV if you take in who he was going after at the time. to me it looked like he was working his way to a tammy conftown read but didn't quite go there and I said what I said at the time he was working his way to a tammy townread. I was trying to see what he would say if I insisted we were both town. he didn't really respond. I really wanted to discuss with tammy what her skrew read was/is but it isn't happening so far .

[helium-3]

If you think I am scum, you really should shoot me. You've been shouting about it.

Sleepy is town. It would be a bad shot.

"You should shoot me instead of that guy."
A townie would not say this.

a townie would and I believe they did.

it would make zero sense from a scum survalistic VP to say, "shoot me" if he and shos were partners or if he was scum. jason thinks that shos is scum at that point and is calling out on what he thinks is shos bluffing.

[helium-3]

what
the fuck

...I don't even understand what happened in the last 4-5-howeverlong pages. Someone please give me a synopsis of what the fuck just happened. I will be posting on my phone from here on out because there's flash flood and tornado warnings going on where I live (aka won't have computer access).

Are we even going to bother lynching anyone other than shos? I don't understand why the Not_Mafia wagon died due to a VT claim. Since when does that justify getting a clean slate?

Hoopla said STATISTICS said that N_M is most likely telling the truth and then shos claimed Vengeful which = autolynch
(but mollie hasn't gotten the memo)

why aren't you reading when I say that we will vote shos for dl purposes? like I literally said this and I am not even trying to turn the wagon I am trying to get my thoughts out there. I WANT TO PRESSURE SLICE SO MEBBE MASTINA WILL GET INVOLVED LIKE HOW IS THIS NOT FREAKING OBV.

and trying to make the most of shos shot cos he was asking for help in a roundabout way.

[helium-3]

mollie when you say I disappear, do you mean I flake/replace out or my activity dwindles?

but shos is genuinely trying to figure out who to vengekill and not in a scummy way and under so much pressure and under so little time. like I don't think he believes that I can truly turn this around. and he isn't fighting it really.

Or he's trying to see how many people he can get to claim.

brb
(lol brb)

you forgot to add intentionally derp/troll to that list. include that and then you will get d) all of the above.

[helium-3]

but shos is genuinely trying to figure out who to vengekill and not in a scummy way and under so much pressure and under so little time. like I don't think he believes that I can truly turn this around. and he isn't fighting it really.

Or he's trying to see how many people he can get to claim.

you have a point. I would like to think he would handle it more elegantly tho but with the time restraint yeah

he just feels town and I know there is nothing you can do with that but he does.

and I know full well the consequences if we are wrong.

it just seems a stretch for him to come in and softclaim vengeful and be so careless about it. it matches nothing with what I know about scumshos.

getting to sugoriki post

[helium-3]

the thing I liked about not_mafia's claim was that it was spontaneous and unprompted. I liked the timing of it and it came off as genuine - I got the feeling he was legitimately apologetic about not doing well in the game.

it's a really weak tell and I still think he's prob scum, but I want a shos lynch more right now and after the way he claimed I'm willing to give him a bit more room and see what happens

so you think that not mafia is probs scum but you wanna lynch on shos...cos of why?

there is a piece missing in what you are doing here.

like I can see town motivation for wanting to lynch shos hey hoopla alluded to this earlier as in we get 2 lynches.

do you really think that shos is scum along with not mafia? didn't you have not mafia as town like 2 seconds ago?

also a commuter is not hit by a day action unless they are a fullblown all of the time day and night commuter and shos will be a day action. this shld be obv why has no1 said this. vengeful townie is a day action that is why it is revealed on

the day that it happened and not the morning after. hint: a vengefull is not a morning after pill.

I call bs on skrew's claim.

[helium-3]

no I have not_mafia as scum, just less likely scum than shos. I had not_mafia as my biggest scumread till he claimed and that moved him below shos for the time being - plus I wanna give not_mafia some more room considering he said he didn't put enough time into the game or smth (?)

hoopla gave a pretty good argument about why not mafia might be town. what do you think of that?

and when I say a good argument I am not talking about the statistics thing cos no.

I am talking about how she assessed things from a townPOV/scumPOV wrt the reads list that not mafia thinking he was a bout to get lynched gave out. were you the 1 who was worried about coaching? cos some1 was and I cannae remember who.

idk if they're scum together or not (on a gut level shos's jump onto not_mafia makes me think no but I don't wanna write it off just for that), but both of them could be scum independent of each other.

so you think that shos in his last bit of deep scummy breaths voted a scumbuddy in order to save himself?

I mean 1 could argue that he did it in order to form some distance but that isn't the argument you are making and I don't think it is what shos was doing? (contingent on me crying myself nightly forever if shos flips scum)

who am I talking to here cos that will make a difference.

in AOT I did my reads dependent on each other and it resulted in me townreading scum at the crucial moment bc a stronger scumread was pushing them really hard. ever since then I decided to try to keep my reads independent where possible.

again, who am I talking to here?

I am asking cos f16 knows the value of waffling on a fellow scum at a crucial point I mean this is literally what happened on d1 in wicked and then later the bus looked so good which carried the win. do you know who fucked that up? me.

and is AOT the tales game?

I agree vengeful claim = auto lynch and regardless I still have a scumread on shos. I hated his SS push - it felt like he was using ATF to push an easy target, it didn't feel like he was trying to legitimately question SS to find more info, and once you remove all that "reaction testing" he claimed he did that was the only thing he did in the entire game.

the vengeful claim=auto lynch looks like a safe play based on popular thought processes not your own.

shos made up some thing that nero claimed vt and then shos is all like I am super vt and then he tried to use that as if it actually happened. the meta I don't have on shos? is what he would do if he replaced into a scumslot.

his sweet mollie campaign was ott.

[helium-3]

ffs

no I have not_mafia as scum, just less likely scum than shos. I had not_mafia as my biggest scumread till he claimed and that moved him below shos for the time being - plus I wanna give not_mafia some more room considering he said he didn't put enough time into the game or smth (?)

hoopla gave a pretty good argument about why not mafia might be town. what do you think of that?

and when I say a good argument I am not talking about the statistics thing cos no.

I am talking about how she assessed things from a townPOV/scumPOV wrt the reads list that not mafia thinking he was a bout to get lynched gave out. were you the 1 who was worried about coaching? cos some1 was and I cannae remember who.

idk if they're scum together or not (on a gut level shos's jump onto not_mafia makes me think no but I don't wanna write it off just for that), but both of them could be scum independent of each other.

so you think that shos in his last bit of deep scummy breaths voted a scumbuddy in order to save himself?

I mean 1 could argue that he did it in order to form some distance but that isn't the argument you are making and I don't think it is what shos was doing? (contingent on me crying myself nightly forever if shos flips scum)

who am I talking to here cos that will make a difference.

in AOT I did my reads dependent on each other and it resulted in me townreading scum at the crucial moment bc a stronger scumread was pushing them really hard. ever since then I decided to try to keep my reads independent where possible.

again, who am I talking to here?

I am asking cos f16 knows the value of waffling on a fellow scum at a crucial point I mean this is literally what happened on d1 in wicked and then later the bus looked so good which carried the win. do you know who fucked that up? me.

and is AOT the tales game?

I agree vengeful claim = auto lynch and regardless I still have a scumread on shos. I hated his SS push - it felt like he was using ATF to push an easy target, it didn't feel like he was trying to legitimately question SS to find more info, and once you remove all that "reaction testing" he claimed he did that was the only thing he did in the entire game.

the vengeful claim=auto lynch looks like a safe play based on popular thought processes not your own.

shos made up some thing that nero claimed vt and then shos is all like I am super vt and then he tried to use that as if it actually happened. the meta I don't have on shos? is what he would do if he replaced into a scumslot.

his sweet mollie campaign was ott.

[helium-3]

shos

sad is softclaiming masons with some1 and saying don't shoot us but not saying who it is, which is weird. otherwise I would say shoot him.

not sure why are people saying don't shoot skrew.

not sure why mastina hasn't back to the thread if haylen did what I asked her to. did you look at slice of life shos?

whoops

[helium-3]

Haha well yeah who the fuck knows who hes gonna shoot if hes actually town looks like missing a few screws but idc as long as its npt one

us

. agree outing masons this early would suck hard

anyway im out cant stay awake longer for the fli

^ looks like a softclaim of masons

and sad just softclaimed masons that is why i think there are masons in the game.

like this is pretty obv why the fuck are you trying to misrep me metal.

you would probs be the best shot given your tendency to absolutely fuck games over and I won't cry if he does. I do think you are town but I have told you I do not want to play with you unless we are hydraing and I can reign you in.

[helium-3]

I can't believe you said that mollie I don't believe you can be mean to me unless you are scum. If there was a real issue you can tell me by skype but I don't even know if I can take your words seriously in game when we do not mutually know each other's alignment and we don't know if we are saying things with a certain agenda.

I think we have some trust issues here and we need to sort this out <<<<<<<

I know that you can only be mean to people when you are scum and let me tell you that I do so as well. So I am going to forgive you on account you have a scum agenda <<<<< but if you are town mollie I am going to be so heartbroken I am going to let you know that right now.

this is a lie about my meta and you fucking well know it if you don't then you shld.

there are about 5 million people who will tell you I am far more likely to go apeshit as town than as scum altho i am trying to be nicer but I can't help it if I lose it when I am surrounded by dummies and by dummies I mean players like you. cos you are not alone.

if you are town then leave me the fuck alone cos you don't have a clue

[helium-3]

VOTE: slandaar

good wagon

[helium-3]

Can somebody drag me in by asking some questions, please? I need to direct my thoughts, finding this game a bit difficult. Thanks.

PS I'm not hammering someone for being what I read as genuinely inactive.

well one question that comes to mind is "why does 'genuine' inactivity imply town?" and "what's 'genuine' inactivity?"

[helium-3]

hi guyz did ya miss me?

bert metal is town plz leave him alone. also re: jason's early play wrt to being the opposite of gloating: its called reverse cheerleading. unfortunately that is not a surefire scumtell on this site so unsure on jason.

shos went with popular crowd choice a bunch of us were unsure on kerrigan that is why shos venged him. plus kerrigan said "good choice".

not happy with the vig kill but narrowing down lynches on town later down the road okay I get it.

omg did I just reverse cheerlead just now???? lol

sad softclaimed masons yesterday so unless metal wants to back him up then sad is most likely scum. it looked like it was a claim under the anxiety that shos might venge him. and then the follow-up today "it was a gambit" makes me think he is full of shit. cos, halfclaims are shit under that setting.

I am trying to tell you that some1 fed sad info about us and that would be mastina on the pregame scumboard. I laid off of him and didn't scream, "shos venge sad!!!!! plz!!!!!" cos I was wondering if he was masons with tammy cos that would make sense with a mason board but nope.

speaking of full of sheeiit slaandy is lying. most likely as day cop he would get the results

that day

not during the night round at least that has been my experience with the role.

also lets not speed lynch slaandy (hehe, in a timed game) just
yet, cos I wanna make sure that you people don't fall for sad's and mastina's silky smooth tongues. (and when I say YOU people I am not talking about every1 just the 1s who think they might be town right now. or any1 who thinks slaandy might be town. is that just slice???)

bert nailed it in that he said he thought that sad seems more calculated. HE DOES

julz is still town btw

so is the marquis hydra despite beast's best efforts to try to scum it up hey deja vu.

thinking ns is town. getting there with skrew mebbe.

we are still there with hoopla.

also monday is my bday so can we speed this game up so that we can get to d3 so that I can use my b-day powahz in the most obnoxious way possible. did I not just say I did not want a speedlynch? COME AT ME!!!

still thinking these 3: slaandy, slice, sad

it is the sss super team.

I am torn between wanting to hold the hammer for slaandy (lol, is he at L1 or something) and apply pressure to sad to get him to reveal the very things he does not want to.

I am nervous about sugoriki I am not even gonna lie to say that I could pick up on scum pie cos I am not sure that I could. f16 looks like he is doing the same meta-value level he gave in wicked if he wants to do something better he can we are totes willing to listen but I did say

better

. f16 is surface scoping at this point.

hey sad. we are hard going after you but our will be in the silent majority of slaandy until we get a few things ironed out. like you seemed really gungho that slaandy was scum and was ready to end the day with a soft mason claim over your head and I wanna work this out. like NOW.

[helium-3]

eta: really gung ho about ending the day with a soft mason claim over your head but expect to live to d3. who does that scum that is who

[helium-3]

Here ya go

Also I quite enjoy playing with Tammy so even had I been scum I wouldn't have supported a kill on her this early, but etc.

okay. doesn't mean your scummates would not have pushed it through anyway since tammy was a universal town read.

try again. I am calling out your shit on softclaiming masons at a time when the only reason to do so was for self-preservation against a possible venge on you.

AND

I am calling you out on your trying to rush the day end on obvscum cos you might have spotted something juicy and sweet.

that is what I call a cog-dis.

[helium-3]

but he pulled a weird gambit anyway and it came up scum and you are still trying to push it through

you are dodging my points

[helium-3]

what is the motivation behind softclaiming masons

[helium-3]

Here ya go

Also I quite enjoy playing with Tammy so even had I been scum I wouldn't have supported a kill on her this early, but etc.

You're trying to use a trust tell. Stop.

NO. he isn't.

he is in no way guaranteeing future behaviour if anything with how he is responding he is learning from this.

guaranteeing future behaviour is a trusttell, not applying *what you would surely would do* as scum in this game.

it is a site bannable offense. plz don't get there.

he is scum and flailing and that means SCUMFLAILING.

[helium-3]

Also it didn't look like accidentally posting in the wrong place to me ftr

How is that even the point.

It's about the motivation.

I'm scum now for pulling bad gambits?

what was your motivation

[helium-3]

try again. I am calling out your shit on softclaiming masons at a time when the only reason to do so was for self-preservation against a possible venge on you.

Want a cookie?

I told you it was a gambit. Go re-read it. Go read the two posts AFTER IT. Realize it was me trying to make it look like I accidentally posted in the wrong place to pull the nightkill instead of me having any fear of getting vigged.

I said getting VENGED. cos shos's venge was up for for grabs at that point (he was trying to work for town). he went with who his toptown reads were wanting to him to shoot. the venge kill took priority over the nk at that point IMO in as far as inthread dynamics.

and it didn't read as out of place you cannot say you posted it out of place and was trying to attract the nk can you?

if there is reasoning behind this explain it to me.

eta: we are xpostin here don't even try to say otherwise

[helium-3]

and you said it was a gambit (or at least that is what you are implying) with no backing it up on d2. like, really

your saying it was a gambit in response to an anticipated response to what you did on d1 when you were not even under fire for that particular reason looks out of place.

[helium-3]

notice how I give you the thorella face

[helium-3]

your saying it was a gambit in response to an anticipated response to what you did on d1 when you were not even under fire for that particular reason looks out of place.

What does this even mean.

Why do I need to be "under-fire" to try to pull a gambit to try and draw a nightkill with few cons and a bunch of pros.

but it looks more like you were trying to steer shos away from venging you cos that seemed the

timely

thing skrew to do at the time.

I mean at that point, you were okay with being the venge as long as it was not you? I mean that is what it looks like cos that would be the only reason to gambit masons at that point in the game.

did you really think scum would have shot you at that point with a softclaim masons when you were not a threat and even with that claim you were still not a threat?

if you were trying to give cover for tammy you failed miserably. is that who you were trying to cover for?

I don't believe you and yes I want a cookie.

[helium-3]

*leap on indifference to skrew at the time

[helium-3]

Is that really all you got? Proposing a lynch on an obvtownie when you've got two superscums at the gallows?

^ THIS

I am telling you people that slot is scum. very strong townread on skrew right now. desp is in my if you lynch him I will hurt you pile.

@ bert

mastina has posted onsite since computer issues. haylen is marinating in scumtitude.

I still don't like sad.

I have to work today so I won't be around until mebbe tonight. plus I am still unpacking to do.

[helium-3]

VOTE: slice of life

f16 hydra and NS are good votes too, but let's start here

[helium-3]

sogoku is pretty town

X

wrong

[helium-3]

slandaar was a dead man walking regardless of what they did and their reason for hammering wasn't very complicated.

[helium-3]

Yes I'm disconnected to this game because half of me is missing. If you're trying to play as an individual AND a hydra, you're posts are going to look terrible. Unfortunately, I don't particularly have any choice in the matter.

yeah...
no, that's not a defense.

[helium-3]

That and he is one of the few in our POE pool that we are not reading as town.

care to share?

[helium-3]

I am not assuming he is confirmed town. I only made about 2-3 posts to him so far mostly revolving around what he thought about the setup. Jason and Zach know each other pretty well from what I gathered and I wanted his take on the setup in case Jason is lynched and does flip town. Like I said, I am not massively confident in that read at this point and I still want to go over stuff with Pie. I also think that in light of the town PRs that have flipped so far, it is really unlikely the SleepyKrew is town and that played a part in my weakening of my Jason read because of how hard SKrew pushed on him.

Believe me, if I "designed" something with Slandaar, I'd make sure to cause maximum drama, not hammer him before he can claim. Actually, it is really obvious what he was doing. He was afraid that we would hammer him and that's why he wanted to not be at L-1. I caught onto his crumbing a guilty on us though and hammered him before someone unvotes and he actually claims it and creates a ton more chaos.

you are so full of shit it is not even funny

he didn't crumb a guilty on you like, he didn't post much beyond that he was going to investigate you.

he gave no results.

yaye I get to post today!

so julz who all have you neighborised? hoopla and who else

VOTE: sugorikiVOTE:

I am also of the mindset that jason is scum cos we had no way of knowing who the mason's are/were when we made the post that he is trying to paint us as scum!

[helium-3]

VOTE: sugoriku

[helium-3]

I neighborized Jason hoping to get some reads off interactions between the two in private. So far they are best buds.

so hoopla n1
sugriva n2
jason n3

I honestly don't understand your choices.

lets lynch sugariku

eta: oh! new info!

[helium-3]

So SS outs in the neighborhood that he is masons with NS. nobody Special dies and you don't even think to suspect Feu?


Guys, I am handing you two scum on a platter here!

isn't metal the mason?

hey marquis/lizard thing: your actions are being called into question!

eta: fuck this game

[helium-3]

So, this was Antihero? Sorry, I thought the lack of caps meant it was Mollie who had refused to interact with me hence the response.

it was antihero. that's me.

...and mollie gets the same consideration i do.