Tales of You (Endgame)

[Red Gyarados]

It's not helping that I don't get where his reads are coming from at all

pedit-

fine I'll sit patiently til then

This is a promise that anyone trying to end the day before I get to chat with nacho is getting lynched tomorrow

regardless of anything else they've done

[Red Gyarados]

^lol

[Red Gyarados]

I promise you ffery's townreading me now

She doesn't even need to read the thread

It was like a disturbance in the force

[Red Gyarados]

Even more of a reason for her to be townreading me then

[Red Gyarados]

If you can't see I've been obvious town thus far there isn't any helping you

[Red Gyarados]

I'd join your nachowagon in a heartbeat

Because I'm not getting most of what he's done

[Red Gyarados]

And I'm not apathetic either

I was mia from teh site and I'm willing to sit here and work with you

[Red Gyarados]

If I remember correctly, he was townreading mastin but viewed mastin as the catalyst for all the potshots and etc that was making this game so depressing for everyone so he wasn't opposed to getting rid of that.

I think Titan is definately town, and I liked Stalin's reaction to my entrance. Brian thought PV town but I'm not sure.

I don't like JSU.

[Red Gyarados]

You're already in separate zip codes, how much more distancing do you guys need?

[Red Gyarados]

Bro, it's cute you think that I'm a viable mislynch still.

[Red Gyarados]

I'm thinking everyone wrote you off for it way too fast. And AtE is easy to fake sooooooooooooooooooo

/shrug

[Red Gyarados]

It's emotion.

[Red Gyarados]

While yes, I do feel moved by it and it did provoke a reaction, I don't like the way people reponded to it.

[Red Gyarados]

Like this is my biggest issue

I feel really awkward challenging it

Which is what makes me nervous it's a ploy

[Red Gyarados]

Um

Orc's reasoning is pretty much what I've said.

I don't recall mara reaching out to anyone I would have expected her to reach out to which bugs me. I feel like they've just kinda been "oh tell me your age" and nothing else. Going back to how Orc did his D1 thing, with the govern. I didn't like how he approached it. I feel like town-him would have approached it as a chance to put two strong scumreads in there to duke it out. Instead, he picks a townread and a lurker. Although I don't know Orc's history regarding PLs, the fact he said something like "today will be a PL lynch or no lynch" bugs me because it's like he knew he was town and put them both together. And I don't like how he came in "well it's his fault he got lynched we could have NL'd" It's just blech

Fox and the Hound had some early posts I found really transparent and I can go back and get them for you tomorrow. I really liked them because i could totally see what they were thinking and it's actually kind of rare. For example, when they were shocked at the scumreads. That read genuine.

Clyton was a nulltownread of Brian's. He said he could go either way, but I opted to town because I tend to opt people who I'm not totally paranoid of and like to work with to town, so I made my reach out accordingly. While I am bugged at her lack of activity today, I did like some of her venom when I challenged her null read on me. I feel like that venom about me challenging select peoples reads is more likely to come from town (hi beliffery). Town who had sat through this tense game where potshots were flying and people were in pissing battles and suddenly, this person who hasn't been here all fucking game comes and challenges your reads? I don't know who wouldn't be pissed off as town. That being said, I'm not sure I like how she was careful to leave a backdoor open with her "I'll wait to judge until you catch up" bit. I'm not going to pretend I'm an expert at reading PA.

Also, did I miss something about ffery being spoiled?

oh yes I did

god damnit cabd stop spoilering ffery in every game you run we're both in

[Red Gyarados]

(this was when we talked around when I first started posting again btw)

[Red Gyarados]

I'm conflicted. If someone I'd never seen before came out and started playing like mastin has in this game, I would lynch them instantly. Objectively, I think their posts are scummy. They never give reasons for their suspicions, and when they do the reasons are explained really poorly, which is odd for someone who manages to post so many words. I've felt like they were trying to stuff CF into a scumbox at times just like they are accusing CF of doing to them. And I really don't like it when someone has a scumread on me yet can't give one solitary passable reason for it except to quote my posts and add the logical equivalent of "ew". But this is mastin. Spectating Vesperia I had him wrong early on for very similar reasons, and was never able to convince myself the slot was town even when I started getting reasons to. On the one hand, my gut is telling me she's scum, and I've been slowly discovering that my gut is better than my head lately, though in theory having DV's head too should be helping (and, I'm somewhat confident, already is). On the other, players who know mastin better than I do are calling her town and seem to feel pretty strongly about it. And when I've been in situations like that in the past, I have usually been wrong. (I'm also wrong more often than a RNG I'm pretty sure, but whatever. I should go back through my games someday and find out whether this is literally true.)

This is an example of the transparency I was talking about because I don't want to sleep yet.

Yes, confliction is a great way to avoid giving a read on someone. But look at the whole thought process behind it. "If it wasn't mastin I would lynch them" which shows the selfdoubt, which is constantly hit on (such as the vesperia quote), and it shows some of the reasonings why there was a scumread in the first place, yet says why they aren't positive on it. At the end, where it's like "People who know her better are townreading her so i'm just going to trust them" it's like what I did regarding nacho in wicked, I sheeped mollie's read on him. It's also a convenient way to avoid suspicion.

[Red Gyarados]

The one thing that bugs me about them though is how they reacted to my entrance

[Red Gyarados]

911 was good too

Those first 3 paragraphs have this paranoid and outraged feel to them that is oh so townie

[Red Gyarados]

The first paragraph is like

"You've never misread me when we're both town and you're misreading me here... what?" along with that bit at the end about whiteknighting. You can feel the paranoia. But it always ends with this sharp annoyance, both at the end of the first sentence and end of the paragraph.

Second one

The paranoia regarding how nacho interacts with them after being snowed (hm sounds familiar (utility lynch nacho everygame(fucking nacho))).

Third one

I don't like the word honestly at the end of this (liars tell etc etc) but otherwise I like that it's that open confusion about the scumread

pedit-

TAMMY DOES THIS MEAN WE CAN WAGON NACHO

PLEASE SAY THIS MEANS WE CAN WAGON NACHO

[Red Gyarados]

VOTE: nacho

WAGON HO

[Red Gyarados]

The fact that she's blatantly fucking town?

[Red Gyarados]

Like really

If we want to lynch town who isn't worth shit lynch me (but save brian because he is :d)

[Red Gyarados]

Tammy

Does a

nacho

Cf

AP

scumteam make any sense? I know there's one more but that's the big question I'm bugged about

pedit-

Town ns hasn't selfvoted in forever

VOTE: RG

what do you make of that

pedit2- needs more playerlist

pedit3- lol

[Red Gyarados]

1) I'm always obvtown, ask anyone. Even when I'm scum

2) I haven't had time to sit down and sit through the depression that is this thread

3) Ask nacho how many times I've let him slip by/manipulate me in the past few months.

pedit-

Done it as both but it was a while ago, hell if I can remember which ones.

[Red Gyarados]

AP-

No, I don't think I'm actually scumreading him here.

I'm doing to him here what I did to him in Wicked. Sheeping someone else's read on him because I don't trust myself not to be manipulated.

Gun to my head, I think he might bee town but I don't trust myself to make that distinction.

[Red Gyarados]

AP what game are you

[Red Gyarados]

Would you put back suspicion of us to actually chat?

Because otherwise it's kinda a waste

[Red Gyarados]

When did I say I wouldn't help lynch CF

[Red Gyarados]

I don't get the scumslip bit

can you explain it to me like I'm five

[Red Gyarados]

Everyone in this game has an ego the size of a fucking blimp.

ftr my ego is more pertaining to my obvtownity

I know my reads are usually shit

[Red Gyarados]

VOTE: CF

AtE got me

[Red Gyarados]

Tbf

I'm voting CF more for AP's AtE than anything else

[Red Gyarados]

What the real fuck

Can we all just hard reset like right fucking now

Because I'm done with everyone complaining to vote them because they're done with this game.

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VOTE: Titan

HI TAMMY

[Red Gyarados]

What the real fuck

Can we all just hard reset like right fucking now

Because I'm done with everyone complaining to vote them because they're done with this game.

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VOTE: Titan

HI TAMMY

Please unvote Tammy.

Chainsawing your buddy already?

[Red Gyarados]

Play along with me for a bit nacho

[Red Gyarados]

I'm not trying to troll tammy

I'm doing a reset

all the way back to fucking rvs


Because I'm sick of people pulling the same fucking gambit

[Red Gyarados]

It's to spare my sanity

Because I'll be honest

I'm dreading the readup of this game

Because everyone here is so depressed about this game and I don't want to end up in that same boat

pedit-

I do though

[Red Gyarados]

Tammy is seriously the easiest person on this site to read as town when town

;-;

[Red Gyarados]

Nacho how long a read do you think the thread is

[Red Gyarados]

You know what sucks nacho

I really do want to trust you

But I'm too worried about being manipulated

[Red Gyarados]

but I'll see if I can read the thread tomorrow

Might do it in sets of 50

[Red Gyarados]

My slot has been prodded. Will catch up in a bit.

[Red Gyarados]

I've only read bits and pieces of this day. And although I don't want to read the entirety of it, I feel like I'm going to end up doing it because I really want to see how AP/JSU managed to backtrack away from an AP wagon.

It's like, Katsuki claims a straight up counter-claim towards AP's night action. AP rushes the counterwagon through and all of a sudden he's no longer eligible for a lynch? I really have to find out what kool-aid you've all been drinking. And I've seen JSU's response in thread. I don't really care. I think JSU's scum anyways. And barring AP flipping some godfather role with a night action, I'm completely okay with lynching JSU if it leads towards an AP lynch. Nacho is also an acceptable lynch for me. But I know this town won't lynch him.

Like, I really don't understand how you let AP rush a 1v1 counterclaim and just let him walk away, barring some role madness nonsense like a bus driver or whatever. He's probably just scum. Like, really.

Other things on my to do list:
Figure out why Fox is getting wagoned when it was so difficult to lynch earlier (don't know what Notty's read on them is now, but last time I checked, he thought town)
Rehash my reads on PA/Falcon, I don't think both of them are scum
Hunt down my hydra partner (I've been abusing his ability to obvtown whenever he's around so it's understandable if he hates me, but I do miss him)

@Falcon: Supposedly you were interested in my Mastin read or vote or whatever before he got lynched. I don't remember ever scumreading him. I remember half this playerslist sitting on a scumread on Mastin, three slots hiding out in your neighborhood (one of which flipped town, and I think there's at least one scum [two actually] in that neighborhood), and no one else looking like a viable lynch. I wanted to lynch Nacho, but Mastin started scumreading me off of me possibly crumbing dayvig or some other shit trying to tie me to the same slot I was trying to lynch (the same wagon Mastin was sitting on). Pie (who I was townreading at the time and who I consistently butt heads with in my games) asks me to sheep him and I decide fuck it, there's a chance I'm wrong about Mastin and the rest of the day looks like a waste of time to me anyways.

I also refuse to reread this game. It's 300+ pages of walls and bullshit (which if Streetracers is any indicator of my reading speed, would take me over a week to get through each time) and I have half a mind to just fake a nervous breakdown (I actually think it could have been real, I just don't think it's indicative of town) so you'd all call me town and sheep me and believe my bullshit reads.

Also, I'd appreciate a ;tldr, but if you don't feel like giving me one, that's cool too.

That leaves 4 scum in the remaining 7 players {AP, PV, Penguin, Fox, Nacho, Magenta, RG}

RG is the one I find the towniest of the seven and leaving PV alive to confirm his role is optimal although I have concerns about him.

I'm fairly certain I'm at the lower end of the spectrum in terms of players' reads. Why do you think my slot is townier than the rest of those you listed?

My personal scumreads this game are just AP, Nacho, and JSU. Not sure who the last one is, thinking Fox or PA. I'd have to think about it.

No idea what Notty thinks. Haven't talked to him in ages. I blame finals and server downtime and me just not wanting to read this game.

[Red Gyarados]

Apparently we're voting Titan for some hard reset or whatever.

Unvote: Titan

Will read up tomorrow.

[Red Gyarados]

Oh, and also Muffin's flow bussing theory about Cephrir and AP re-inforces my belief in Fox/AP team besides all of their rubbish about how I am AP's buddy.

I remember this existence of this theory. I don't hold any weight in meta arguments because I don't research other players' metas to create town/scum models of them.

UNVOTE:

Can I interest anyone in

VOTE: CarbonFiber

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???

??????

I don't like how eager he's been to get a lynch on 3 different players in rapid succession and you shouldn't either.

Which 3 people?

Well I backtracked away from it because I dont particularly feel like mislynching myself. JSU backed away from it because they either have an innocent result on me or are committed to faking one regardless.

Why would you even consider that this was the argument I was making? I was referring to the whole 1v1 scenario from the previous day where Katsuki CC'ed your night action, indicated zero acknowledgement of being roleblocked (and I'm pretty sure he stated that he KNEW his action succeeded), and JSU proceeding to defend you with his 'investigative action that can only track town.'

I don't know how you guys moved the idea of a wagon away from you (because despite me saying I wanted to read up but I've been continuing to neglect this game so I can stay on top of the games I caught up in elsewhere), but if it's just 'OMG I DON'T KNOW WHY KATS WOULD DO THAT AND LIE' after rushing that lynch through in your little 1v1 CC spat, then you should be getting lynched. The only reason you should even be considered town right now is if people believe in a role that interferes with Kats' role that doesn't directly cause it to fail (something like a bus driver).

If you're not town (I don't think you're town) or a godfather with a night action, then JSU should be getting lynched as well.

RG claimed to be roleblocked. Stalin claimed to be roleblocked (and is pretty confirmed town + has a role that can be sort of verified blocked.) I get an innocent result on Stalin. JSU has CONFIRMED MY ACTION and CONFIRMED MY CLAIM. Your belief that JSU is town and I somehow am not is so mindblowingly bad I cant believe it. I had to either believe that there are (3?) Mafia Roleblockers in the game and blocked all of Stalin, RG, and Katsuki for Katsuki to somehow be telling the truth in this situation...or Katsuki was just making shit up. I KNOW my role succeeded. Katsuki was lying. You can go ahead and rectify that in your headspace somehow, but you are explicitly ignoring that I can, would, and DID do exactly what I did as town. If you think JSU is town then Katsuki is STILL confirmed roleblocked as is Stalin. So this sort of takes me back around to RG who are also claiming to have been blocked on N2. Right. Thats not suspicious at all.

Like seriously, for you to continue this argument of me 'lying about being roleblocked' despite your 'confirmed town-beliffery read' indicating that they were inclined to believe I was roleblocked because they received a similar message about their 'role failing' despite me explicitly claiming that first requires ridiculousness of a whole new level.

And Beli considering I'm scum for this is weird (I actually don't know if he's been considering me, and I interpreted PV's post as his for some reason) and he's either really detached towards this game and doesn't give a fuck to realize what the fuck is happening with this argument, or he's scum with you/JSU with your 'let's confirm each other as town' circlejerk and their slot was just following along with me being roleblocked earlier.

We have not claimed. Claiming makes our role a lot worse.

I don't mind you claiming. But I did target you last night (and I'm not going to say what happened).

Did RG claim that their role fails on certain flavor? I vaguely recall some spec about that, but I cant remember. How likely is it that Katsuki was redirected to them that Day?

My role doesn't fail on certain flavor that I'm aware of. I do remember saying something along these lines. And I'm fairly certain Katsuki's roleblock didn't redirect to me.

I've been doing a silly side project (fun quiz/survey to come?) trying to map personality types to mastin's 5 'town roles' she posted in MD a while back. I have you down as a probable analyzer. Maybe you are more of a planner? You seem to direct for that. You need to be ESTJ for me to feel happy about the state of my project, sorry

I believe I fall under E - extremely problematic.

Brian, trust me, if you get even two other people to vote AP, I'll join you on that wagon. But right now, we need to consider viable alternatives.

Town's being retarded. My other alternatives are Nacho and JSU (confbiased and I haven't read anything I promised I was going to read; and from what I've read, nothing's telling me it would be worthwhile to look at when AP is right there, being scum, right along with JSU and possibly Nacho).

I really need a ;tldr. Preferably on why people refuse to lynch AP and how this wagon ended up on the Fox. I'd also appreciate any knowledge explaining why some people are okay with lynching Nacho.

I also feel adamantly opposed to a Fox lynch right now just because AP/JSU want it to go through.

So, I wonder if just not caring about this game much anymore means my paranoia is relieved.

I feel like this is a completely fair argument for you to make. And I do feel bad for the townies that have bothered to make a conscious effort at winning this game. Especially since my contributions thus far have been terrible.

But if AP's scum and he gets away for some shit argument this game, then town never deserved to win anyways.

1) DV's response to me suspecting him was the most ridiculously scummy thing in this game. He immediately casts doubt onto his townread of me. Then does a massive "re-evaluation" where he goes back through my initial posts, justifies his townread and then goes through more posts to beautifully show how his read has morphed into a scumread. All this happens right after I push him. It is bullshit. It is a presentation that is made to look good and like a thoughtful townie going back to consider every possibility. It feels extremely unnatural and faked. The timing of it doesn't feel genuine either.

2) DV has accused me of not taking a leadership role this game day. This is bullshit because a) I have been trying my best to get their slot lynched and b) My alignment couldn't have changed from D1/D2 where he claims that I was trying to lead the town.

I can neither confrim or deny any of this, don't know if it's indicative of scum, but think you're town anyways. I might still end up voting that slot, though (I just find it extremely unfair to them that I've been ignoring their slot's posting for most of this game).

Magenta, Nacho (despite what DV thinks honestly) and CF are all scum, I will lynch any of them, someone please just lead me in one of those directions

Why are JSU/AP not mentioned as possible scumreads?

Like, anyone that doesn't think they could be scum (and scum together) really should be stating why in thread.

*There also might be a random 'f' in this post. I have no idea where it is.

[Red Gyarados]

Town's being retarded.

I apologize for this statement. I don't mean to insult anybody's intelligence. I just don't understand why AP is still alive, acknowledge that there are reasons for you to believe AP could be town, but that I haven't seen any good reasoning for why you would think this way.

[Red Gyarados]

I also have 3 days left, so I might read all those pages after all (unlikely, but I even surprise myself and might end up doing it).

[Red Gyarados]

If it gets closer to deadline and a CF lynch is obviously not happening then I'll settle for some other not-us lynch (Ceph can choose if this ends up being the case as I've probably embarrassed him enough with my antics), but I can dream.

What are your reads? And how do you feel about AP/JSU/Nacho?

If you want to survive, those are the alternatives I'm willing to offer you.

oh we still haven't lynched a scum

Yeah, I blame myself. Unless AP/JSU are scum. In which case, I'm not taking any of it.

Actually AP doesn't. Check out his chainsaw in 7663.

I'd hardly consider that a chainsaw. And in his previous post, he was stating Fox as one of seven scum candidates and that he doesn't actually remember what that slot's done.

Then do it. It'll feel awesome when we force through a scum lynch. Then I'll help you lynch Nacho. By then, people will wake up and see AP as scum so we'll lynch him too. Then we'll find the final scum.

From my point of view, there's zero reasoning telling me I should let AP live today, and conversely, reasoning that tells me he needs to die. However, I acknowledge that my vote isn't doing anything and will be voting at the end of my post.

Who?

magenta!

The same person who you tried to feel-good lynch at the end of Day 1?

i don't think ap is scum

In the small sliver of a chance that you're town (it's very minor and <.001%), you should realize that there is very good reasoning for calling for his lynch and nothing that says he should live.

What we know:
1) Katsuki claimed town delayer
2) Katsuki claimed to have delayed AP
3) AP claimed a night action that succeeded and wasn't delayed
4) Beliffery (who was confirmed town by AP) and I (RG) claimed to have been roleblocked and share similar sentiments of how we're aware of it
5) Katsuki doesn't acknowledge anything to make him believe he was roleblocked and actually believed his role was guaranteed to have succeeded

I know for a fact that Katsuki's role didn't redirect to me. And the only reason we're even in this position we're in is because of JSU (who isn't confirmed by any means and who I actually think is probably scum). AP's defense thus far has been 'I don't know why Katsuki would lie,' which is an extremely flimsy defense in and of itself. And unless you think there's a role that interfered with Katsuki's night action to explain the discrepancy, you should feel inclined to agree with me.

I love how scum are winning this by doing absolutely nothing, because town refuses to work together.

I love how I am the one saying this, despite being one of the most frustrating people to work with.

I love how I've been trying to get everyone to work together, but F-16 and AP are too busy having a pissing contest to lynch their mutual scumreads.

I love how Nacho has done nothing but derail every move I've tried to make this game.

And can we go back to how much I love that the scum team is winning this by doing absolutely nothing.

Fox and Hound
Magenta
RG
Penguin

The order isn't relevant, we just have to agree on one of them.

From what I've read, you have zero paranoia about the people in your neighborhood. Your scumteam is a collection of players with little/low activity. You've spent a considerable deal defending AP since his entrance into this game (and from what I remember, you consider yourself/AP a pretty formidable force when the two of you roll scum together) for an entrance that really shouldn't have been townread. And your first and only chance to use your role thus far has been to clear AP (the same slot you've been defending all game) just because you didn't want to hear about it anymore rather than try and use your 'investigative role' to try and find scum. Your investigative action also came as a direct response towards Katsuki's CC (which I'm leaning both ways on whether this is scummy/townish).

You're not even pretending to consider that AP could just be a godfather or that just maybe, he needs to die because he's probably just scum.

It feels like you've been attempting to manipulate this playerlist, not solve the game.

I'll have to double check the game where Bulbazak was pushing a lynch on him and most people were like "there is no way Ceph can do that as scum" but he was scum with Ceph in a different game and knew he could do anything so continued pushing the lynch to make sure what Cephrir is capable of. But I'll add him to the town pile with Titan, JSU, and Stalin (and conditionally Peregrine if he vigs a second player to prove that he is not a scum 1X vig).

That leaves AP, Nacho, Penguin, Magenta, and maybe RG who I am reading as town. I think the first four are a good bet for the scumteam.

Nacho could be bussing Orc. AP/Nacho makes a ton of sense. Penguin brushing aside her Nacho read makes sense from scum-Penguin, and Magenta's lack of paranoia over Nacho again makes sense from scumMara.

VOTE: Nachomamma8

Pedit: I haven't been fucking antagonizing you. I'm responding to your endless crap and bullshit that you've pulled this game.

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Between AP and Fox, I've had it with this game. I don't feel like playing anymore and trying to get the town to fight through the apathy. Brian is right that if we continue to ignore how AP pushed Katsuki and townread him based off of a supposed "clear" without taking into consideration that Mastin called him scum, and that Katsuki caught him, and that his behavior has been scummy as all fuck, then town probably deserves to lose. I don't want to lose since I think at least some players have put in enough time and effort but I have no intention of forcing the town to win.

I think the important thing to realize here is that AP is probably scum and there's no logical indication of why we should be letting him live (JSU doesn't qualify).

If people think otherwise, they haven't told me why.

Vote: Nacho

Still adamantly want to lynch AP right now, and this is the discussion I want.

[Red Gyarados]

5) Katsuki doesn't acknowledge anything to make him believe he was roleblocked and actually believed his role was guaranteed to have succeeded

Katsuki fullclaimed when he was going down.
Nowhere did he say "I know I was roleblocked". In fact, he did say a couple of times near the end of the day that he might have been roleblocked.

Okay, but I said he never acknowledged anything that would make him believe he were roleblocked.

He said something may have interfered with him, but he hasn't showed the same indication of being roleblocked as I have or Beliffery has. So if something interfered with him, I don't think it's a roleblocker unless you think both Beliffery/I are lying. Beli has been 'confirmed town' by AP, and he's been resorting to either calling Katsuki a liar or me a liar.

[Red Gyarados]

I don't think you're lying, I just don't think you get indications when you're roleblocked.

I do if I'm X-Shot and I get to retain my shot and the mod feels obligated to tell me my 'role failed' as a reason.

I don't know Beliffery's circumstances. Katsuki could have been roleblocked, but 3 roleblockers? I'd buy some other interference, but I don't know what that might be and I don't feel all that motivated to bet the game on a role that may or may not exist in a Cabd game.

[Red Gyarados]

What do you think of Magenta?

People I have completely forgot about that may or may not be due to how much I've read Days 3/4:

Magenta
Fox (who I apologize to because I admit I've been ignoring your slot, I'm really sorry regardless of your alignment and I understand your frustration)
PA
Somewhat PV, but some of his stuff looks kind of decent recently, some of it not, and he claimed some janitor-vig role


All I remember from Orci is you coming out of your neighborhood at the end of Day 1 and trying to flashlynch Orci as a feel good lynch resolution to the late Day 1 conflict and him governing Beli/LB. And then Mara replacing in with him. I haven't read what that slots done since Mara's replacement.

[Red Gyarados]

This is important information. Why wasn't this brought up when I asked for it?

[Red Gyarados]

Wait, are they a JOAT?

[Red Gyarados]

Pedophilic roleblock/stop. we couldn't have done anything to you, even if we wanted to, pigey (and Orci did try N1 so...)

Is this it?

To which point, who I targeted last night should be pretty fucking obvious at this point and with the revelation of this role, I don't know how you think RG is lying, or why he would be doing so if he was scum.

In anycase, NS is pretty obviously town, and if he is scum he's done a hellofa good job in improving his game

I think they're claiming me as their target.

I'm technically a child, so I guess if they were pedophilic it would make sense. And if they targeted me, it would explain me getting roleblocked. Not sure what to make of it. They seem to be using it as a means of explaining I'm not lying (which is pretty nice).

[Red Gyarados]

I was asking for any reasoning that people might have in not wanting to lynch AP. I think this falls under related information.

[Red Gyarados]

The interference for Katsuki delaying AP hasn't been accounted for, from what I remember.

I would still like Fox to claim, so I can claim, because I want him to claim first considering I targeted them last night and all. But if no one wants them to claim, then I don't know.

[Red Gyarados]

I didn't out it earlier today because I was playing injustice and actually not paying any attention whatsoever to this game, sorry

I wasn't blaming you.

You've earned yourself an unvote for now, though.

Unvote: Nacho

Do you think scum would admit to blocking me instead of letting me die for 'lying'?

[Red Gyarados]

I think I've been treated as a universal scumread, never let into a strong town read position (even though some people have listed me as could be town and above the lynchable line). Which is where I expect to find myself in most of my games.

As far as me getting lynched that day? Zero. If there was danger for me, I've been completely oblivious to it.

I'm curious because I find it to be pretty valuable information. And admitting to it kind of helps the town sort out the roleblocks, etc. Do you think town would have two roleblockers (LB flipped persona-RB, so this could be a little iffy)? Did Beliffery claim a target that day?

I targeted AP the night I was roleblocked, which is why I said I don't think it was a result of the target I chose unless someone else were scum (JSU targeted him the same night). I didn't target anyone night 1, but I probably would have chosen AP if I had seen his claim at the end of day 1.

I feel like waffling on AP again. Because I was townreading him the night I targeted him and a lot of it had to do with the way he came in and declared he wasn't getting lynched because of his role. I'm really only targeting him right now because of how the Katsuki/AP CC doesn't have any logical explanation for me.

[Red Gyarados]

Vote: Nacho

I had no idea he was at L-1.

[Red Gyarados]

Didn't investigate RG b/c they're the scum we lynch next. I was wrong about Nacho, which means on of my FoxHound/penguin reads is wrong (I'm very high certainty on Magenta and RG at this point)

I'm town jerkwad.

And even if you investigated me, you wouldn't have gotten anything. I'm a 1-Shot. I burned my shot the previous night so I wouldn't know if I were blocked.

If you still plan on mislynching me, then I'd rather you do it today than in possible Lylo.

If Fox is town, then CF's vote looks pretty town and RG/JSU + {...PA/Magenta?} makes the most sense as last minute bussers, with JSU's vote being kind of awkward. I guess JSU had little to no reservations about voting alongside a scumread or two, not sure who their favorite lynch was yesterday (magenta?).

Last minute busser? I've been calling Nacho scum since Day 2!

*Still thinking about the roleblocking. Seeing Nacho flip RB helps fill some of the holes in. And since when did Mara become a RB? I thought she was a governor. Doesn't that make her a JOAT?

[Red Gyarados]

(i.e., that the lynch was on Orc over LB after Nacho failed to get his SDMLs on me and p5)

What's an SDML?

pedit: You lack conviction

Since when?

And I could easily say the same of you since you just claimed you only wanted to lynch Nacho because you thought it was the best available option.

[Red Gyarados]

No? I thought I made this obvious when I stated I haven't been reading in the last day phase.

[Red Gyarados]

Yeah, it's uncharacteristic of me to be the Captain America trying to bring the team together, but when everyone else refuses to do it...

If you want lack of motivation, think about how I felt on Day 2 when I told you and your neighbors to get the fuck out of there and help me lynch Nacho instead of having to watch you four circle-jerk your "I just want to lynch Mastin" sentiments?

[Red Gyarados]

So then why are you trying to construct arguments about my play during the last phase based on a comment I made about my play during the very last part of it.

I'm not. I don't think it's fair of you to say I lacked conviction about lynching Nacho. He was my one scumread I felt really good about this game.

You didn't even really want to lynch him. So you stating that

I

lacked conviction irritates me.

[Red Gyarados]

I thought that's what you meant. Did you mean something else?

[Red Gyarados]

I'm town jerkwad.

And even if you investigated me, you wouldn't have gotten anything. I'm a 1-Shot. I burned my shot the previous night so I wouldn't know if I were blocked.

If you still plan on mislynching me, then I'd rather you do it today than in possible Lylo.

There is a hollow, empty shell of emotion backing this.

I'm reevaluating how I feel about you/AP.

With Nacho flipping alternating commuter/roleblocker, there's a chance all the role interferences have been accounted for.

[Red Gyarados]

I'm town jerkwad.

And even if you investigated me, you wouldn't have gotten anything. I'm a 1-Shot. I burned my shot the previous night so I wouldn't know if I were blocked.

If you still plan on mislynching me, then I'd rather you do it today than in possible Lylo.

There is a hollow, empty shell of emotion backing this.

I'm reevaluating how I feel about you/AP.

With Nacho flipping alternating commuter/roleblocker, there's a chance all the role interferences have been accounted for.

I could be wrong about this, by the way. Did AP JK Beli before or after Katsuki CC'ed him?

[Red Gyarados]

I'm trying to think of what's been claimed:
AP: Shitty modified cop/ possible JK
JSU: Even night town tracker
Magenta: Governor/pedophiliac RB
Titan: Anti-RB
BWS: ???
CF: Neighborizor
RG: Some 1-Shot role
PA: ???

Am I missing anyone or anything?

[Red Gyarados]

I'm trying to think of what's been claimed:
AP: Shitty modified cop/ possible JK
JSU: Even night town tracker
Magenta: Governor/pedophiliac RB
Titan: Anti-RB
BWS: ???
CF: Neighborizor
RG: Some 1-Shot role
PA: ???
Fox: ???

Am I missing anyone or anything?

[Red Gyarados]

BWS is an amnesiac follower?

I forgot.

NotScience, how do you feel about Magenta the great?

This is Brian. And I agree that I should claim. But I'm not doing it before Fox.

We already discussed Magenta the previous day. I don't really feel either way for that slot. I originally thought that Nacho trying to 'feel-good' lynch Orci at the end of Day 1 could have indicated that Orci was a scum-designated mislynch. But now I'm wondering whether or not it was orchestrated.

So far Mara-slot has claimed governer and pedophiliac RB. She also claimed to have RB'ed me. I don't know what this means because all I know is that I was RB'ed that night. I also know that my RB couldn't have been a result of trying to target AP unless AP has something about his role that would block me and/or JSU is lying about visiting AP the same night.

I also softed my age at some point in what I think was response to Mara looking for people's ages. So it's possible I got targeted because of that.

[Red Gyarados]

I did notify Notty that we were able to finally lynch Nacho and he flipped scum. He was pretty giddy about it, but other than that, I don't even know if he's still following along.

Isn't this around finals time for him?

[Red Gyarados]

Also, I know that I keep claiming that I know I was RB'ed, but I don't know what interfered with my role. I just know that I got to retain my shot, probably due to interference, and saying I was RB'ed is easier.

[Red Gyarados]

I want everyone to claim child/adult

child/adult

Yeah, you go ahead and think about that until I come back.

And I don't see Notty returning in the foreseeable future. But if he ever decides to come back and talk to me, that would be swell. On another note, I'm still pretty awestruck by the fact I was role-blocked.

[Red Gyarados]

Then I don't really understand why you keep talking about my role if you think it means nothing in regards to my alignment.

There was actually a really specific reason why I was interested in your role, but it's no longer applicable.

And you're the one who claimed your role in your opening post. You're welcome to keep whatever information regarding your claim to yourself, but don't be surprised when people come asking you about it.

I kind of did it here.

[Red Gyarados]

I want everyone to claim child/adult

child/adult

Yeah, you go ahead and think about that until I come back.

And I don't see Notty returning in the foreseeable future. But if he ever decides to come back and talk to me, that would be swell. On another note, I'm still pretty awestruck by the fact I was role-blocked.

Wait...

[Red Gyarados]

Sorry, I feel like I am extremely dim or a five year old. Did you just claim? What is your role?

I didn't claim my role. I just claimed my age.

[Red Gyarados]

Also, nevermind about the other thing, I was thinking about something but I don't think it's as big of a deal as I thought it was.

[Red Gyarados]

Fox
RG
PA
That order sounds good.

I'm okay with this claiming order.

[Red Gyarados]

We're Beryl Benito, Town Artist. I'm from Tales of Hearts, female, and I'm considered both an Adult/Child (Child at Heart). I'm assuming Fox is something like a flavor cop because I'm technically a Copier (Watercolor). Once in this game, at night, I'm allowed to visit another player. If that person uses a night action on the same nightphase I visit them, I get to copy their action and use it in the next night phase. The combination of my Copy ability and my gender was why I was so interested in RBD's agecop claim.

N1: Didn't target anybody. If I had seen AP's claim at the end of Day 1, I would have visited him.

N2: AP. I saw his claim on Day 2 and decided to try and confirm his role. I thought he could be town and I wanted his night action. If I was able to confirm him as town, I was planning on asking for a neighborhood with him. Instead, I got blocked, and went for the neighborhood anyways. CC madness ensued. I was either blocked or something else interfered with my role because I got to retain my 1-Shot ability.

N3: Fox. Notty and I both thought AP was going to be a scumlynch after what happened Day 3. We decided to check either Fox/PA, and I convinced him that we should check Fox. My role didn't fail, but I didn't receive anything in return (I actually had no idea what role Fox had, but I didn't want to give up any leverage of what my result on them could be). According to Cabd (I went great lengths to make sure I understood how my role worked), it shouldn't matter whether or not their role fails. As long as my role succeeds and they take a night action, I should be able to copy them. I can verify this with him again if you want me to.

Not sure, but I'm thinking Fox could be scum here.

[Red Gyarados]

I also seem to have asked Cabd about how a vig would work with an ascetic. Notty/I were probably considering copying PV so we can shoot Nacho.

[Red Gyarados]

Oh, I didn't have an action to take last night. So I wouldn't know if I were roleblocked.

[Red Gyarados]

Now that we're out I may as well admit that we can't be roleblocked by children, so presumably that was targeted at Nacho?

Roleblocked or targeted?

[Red Gyarados]

Citizen of the Spir Maze.

[Red Gyarados]

Okay, just to be clear, you should have visited me N4 and found out my role because that's what Fox did N3? And it turns out you got nothing?

Do you think Fox is lying about their role/night actions? From your POV, they correctly found out that you were an Artist. Where do you think the issue is?

No? If my target uses a night action (role PM says active ability), then I get to copy that action and use it myself on the next night. So, I was supposed to get what I think is a rolecop to use on D4. It doesn't say I have to do what they did with it (and I wouldn't have bothered using it to check you, there are other unclaimed/need to be confirmed roles out there).

But my action didn't fail as far as I'm aware of and I got nothing. Just an empty PM and a burned shot. And Cabd told me that as long as MY action succeeds, it doesn't matter what happened to my targets actions.

The issue with Fox's claims is him claiming to have targeted someone N3.

[Red Gyarados]

Apparently I'm just the worst at using this role.

You and me both, Tammy, you and me both...

But if it's any consolation, I did target Fox solely because I think they crumbed/claimed to have a night action. It was the main reason why I wanted to check them on N3 (so I wouldn't block myself).

[Red Gyarados]

Errrrr. So you knew you were blocked on N2 because you still had your 1-shot left? You didn't after N3, but you also didn't get to take any action? They knew your role name though so the only way they are BSing is if they are scum and someone else on their team is actually a flavor cop? Which seems..unlikely?

Something interfered with my shot on N2. That's the only reason why I got to keep my shot. If I target someone that doesn't have a night action, that just burns my shot and I get nothing. You claimed to have tried to cop three people that night. So if nothing had interfered with my shot, I would have had a 3p cop check or whatever your role is to use on N3. Since I got to keep my shot, I know something interfered with my action. Plus, Cabd told me my 'role failed.'

I used my shot again on Fox N3. They claimed to have targeted Falcon. If their claim is true, I should have been able to copy and use their night action on N4. Instead, I didn't get anything. Which means they're lying or there's some mystery effect I'm not considering that you think is in this game.

Yes, they're right about me being an Artist. Which makes me think they're claiming something like flavorcop or rolecop. If Fox is scum, then they probably have one on their team. But that doesn't mean they have to be one themselves.

[Red Gyarados]

You said on D4 that you thought that Fox was town but might end up voting them anyway. Why?

I thought they could be town. But it was because I was tunneling the Nacho/AP/JSU scumteam I had in mind. And I wasn't reading their posts. But outside of those three, I thought that one of PA/Fox could have been the fourth member.

I was suspicious of Fox, but I had limited information. There was always the possibility of them being an even-night role like what JSU claimed to be or some other reason that might explain my role failing. But they're not claiming that here.

[Red Gyarados]

I've told you everything I know about my role and my actions. So if you think there's something I'm missing that might make you believe I'm wrong, then please, I'm all ears.

[Red Gyarados]

Pigey
Gary
Stalin
Stalin

Wait. Am I reading this right?

You're claiming to continuously block Stalin, a claimed ascetic follower?

[Red Gyarados]

Pigey
Gary
Stalin
Stalin

Wait. Am I reading this right?

You're claiming to continuously block Stalin, a claimed ascetic follower?

Nevermind.

[Red Gyarados]

Pigey
Gary
Stalin
Stalin

Wait. Am I reading this right?

You're claiming to continuously block Stalin, a claimed ascetic follower?

Nevermind.

What was the revelation that you had that made you say "nevermind?" I am still scratching my head as to why Magenta has roleblocked a claimed ascetic follower on N3 and N4.

That they claimed some sort of combined JK. I could maybe see them wanting to protect a townie if I squint hard enough, and that's why I said nevermind.

AP already claimed JK on them earlier. So it could just be them looking for a convenient excuse.

Also, I straight up CC'ed Fox's night action. Why is it one of AP/RG/Fox instead of one of RG/Fox?

[Red Gyarados]

That's what I was told.

[Red Gyarados]

That's what I was told.

And I stand by my accusation of Fox being lying scum.

[Red Gyarados]

If you're wrong, we go to Lylo with an unresolved CC.

What do you have on Magenta?

[Red Gyarados]

Well, the thing is I don't see it as an unresolved CC.

Why? What's the issue here?

[Red Gyarados]

Magenta case in a nutshell:

1) Mara was fooled in a grand fashion by Nacho in NY169: Mara's EPIC XD Failure to read Nacho where she persistently townread Nacho and was left alive late game as a confirmed town Mason. Tammy, Pieguyn and I were scumreading him in that same game and Mara never thought to interact with any of us to refine her read.

2) Mara lacked paranoia of Nacho and seems too sure about her read (basically what Tammy said earlier).

3) Nacho pushing Orc lynch D1 as a feel-good lynch when we now know that Orc was a D1-only governor feels really slimy (basically Tammy fucking called it as Nacho bussing Orc). AP will say I am buddying with Tammy again but meh. If this flips scum as I think it will, there's only one person I can really credit for this lynch so yeah.

4) Magenta roleblocking Stalin is seriously scum motivated. Although tbf, I don't know why they would claim it. They could have just shut up and done nothing. But then again, everyone was suspicious of Magenta so they might have thought WIFOM would help, I don't know. But their night actions still don't make sense from a town POV.

This is pretty convincing.

But if I give you Mara, I want Fox's head.

[Red Gyarados]

what's the scum motivation to lie?

I don't know. Why wouldn't scum lie? I made it painfully obvious I to them I targeted them N3 when I TOLD them I visited them yesterday. So they've probably been planning their fakeclaim because they had no idea what I was going to claim. They already claimed Beast, probably in response to knowing I was a child. It just screams scum to me. Especially with Nacho flipping child-beastmaster.

Your turn. Why wouldn't they lie if they were scum?

This is just so hard to take in though?

Fox has proven that he has information he could only have if he were a flavor cop. the one night you are claiming to target him, hes claiming to be blocked.

I mean I dont get it. He could only be lying if someone on his team is a flavor cop which just makes zero fucking sense to do

I don't understand it either.

But the fact remains that my role is a copier. I get to copy a target's ability as long as they use a night action on the night I target them. I targeted them on N3. I wasn't told my role failed like it did on N2 where I got to keep my shot. And I didn't receive anything in return. I was also told that it only matters that MY role succeeds and my target uses a night action.

[Red Gyarados]

I am curious, what convinced you now that didn't convince you the first time?

Their claimed actions.

[Red Gyarados]

I am curious, what convinced you now that didn't convince you the first time?

Their claimed actions.

Okay, but why did you say "nevermind" as opposed to continue to press them on why they blocked the claimed Amnesiac follower?

That's Magenta. Wrong slot buddy.

And they probably would have just referenced their original claim.

[Red Gyarados]

I hope you understand, that regardless of what happens with Magenta (who could be scum, and I wouldn't mind lynching), I'm going to continue to push my CC against Fox.

[Red Gyarados]

I asking about Magenta. My case on Magenta was a rehash of the points that me, JSU, and Tammy and already put forth at the beginning of the day. So, if you were reading closely, you'd have already been convinced. But then you asked for what I had on Magenta and I just repeated those points and you said you were convinced. I want to know why repeating the same points a second time convinced you when they originally hadn't.

I don't know. Wasn't paying attention the first time. Fox is still scum.

[Red Gyarados]

Brian. Obviously. Either me or Notty will let you know when a head changes. This shouldn't be reading like Notty tonally anyways.

[Red Gyarados]

Fox.

Don't care who the other two are. One step at a time. I really believe we have scum here. Could be Magenta or PA I guess. Can't be more than two of AP/JSU/Beli, so there's definitely at least one town there. Maybe all three are town. I don't think it's you/Titan.

Right now, I just want to lynch Fox. They're scum to me.

[Red Gyarados]

Vote: Fox

When you guys stop circle-jerking with your "I just don't understand why they'd lie about their action or role if they were scum," come talk to me.

[Red Gyarados]

Brian, your demeanor just seems off to me for some reason. You seem so sure that Fox are scum (I don't think that's unusual considering I was screaming from the rooftops that Rancid were scum when they claimed my role), but you seen okay with lynching Magenta (who you don't have a strong scumread on) instead of Fox as long as I give you Fox tomorrow. But you've only negotiated with me. What if we're wrong on Magenta and it's LYLO tomorrow and some other townie (not me) votes you as opposed to Fox, it is game over. I'm still hoping we were on the right track and Magenta is scum and you are town, but I am not absolutely certain. If you are scum with AP/Penguin, it would make sense to mislynch Magenta today and lynch Fox in LYLO once I say I would vote them over you. And maybe Nacho didn't care too much about his lynch because he knew he was setting up a Magenta lynch to follow.

Okay, now you understand why I only want to lynch Fox.

Thank you.

I don't give a shit about anyone else right now as long as Fox dies. I don't see any reason why they could be town. FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, Fox is scum. If there is anything wrong with what I'm seeing, you should be helping me figure it out. Not sitting there with your "oh Brian, do you want to lynch Magenta and go for Fox tomorrow?"

[Red Gyarados]

You list out your actions here and then say that you aren't sure. What changed since then? They had claimed to have visited me and then you "cc'd" them in this post but you weren't sure. So, I am not sure why you don't understand my lack of certainty now.

I've been waiting to see if anyone can offer up a fair explanation of why Fox looks like scum to me. I've never had an opportunity to catch scum based on MY night action. And this game has been weird in its own right.

So, here you bring up your issue with him and you are not all excited about it or anything.

Yep, me pinpointing the issue I have when asked about it.

The bolded is a pretty big stretch and it concerns me that you are putting it forth as the most likely possibility. If someone else on their team was a flavorcop,

don't you think that player would be the one to claim that role

?

You'd expect so. But what do I know about scum? Don't you think that if it were really his role, he wouldn't be lying about his actions?

This felt like a pretty weak push for someone that you are cc'ing.

This is me pointing out what I find to be a flaw in your logic. I CC'ed Fox. You ignore it and group both of us with AP. I still think Fox could be scum and I was CC'ing him. What don't you get about that?

You have a high degree of certainty that Fox is scum while at the same time considering a Magenta lynch. I don't know where this certainty came from. When you cc'd them, you seem unsure and I can't follow how this gradual buildup of certainty came to the point that you are now so sure that Fox is scum. You have the same information now as you did when you first cc'd them.

I still haven't been given anything to make me think my CC is invalid. Like seriously. At this point I've already reconfirmed with Cabd that how I expect my role to work really is how it works.

Unlike me, I didn't peg you for someone who is really slow to vote, especially on cc's.

Really? How much do you know about my meta? Seriously. I'm one of the slowest voters you'll meet. And I rarely ever move it. As either alignment.

[Red Gyarados]

Falcon, no matter what happens today, YOU WILL be lynching one of Fox/me. But if I get lynched, I WILL flip town and YOU will be lynching Fox afterwards.

This isn't a discussion. This is an ultimatum.

[Red Gyarados]

I'd be more convinced if this happened very quickly after you cc'd them as opposed to after being prodded about it.

You're seriously giving me shit about this

I asking about Magenta. My case on Magenta was a rehash of the points that me, JSU, and Tammy and already put forth at the beginning of the day. So, if you were reading closely, you'd have already been convinced. But then you asked for what I had on Magenta and I just repeated those points and you said you were convinced. I want to know why repeating the same points a second time convinced you when they originally hadn't.

I don't know. Wasn't paying attention the first time. Fox is still scum.

no it's not trust me.

if you think there's even the slightest chance penguin is scum you need to lynch me.

^When shit like this continues to happen in this game?

Seriously, Falcon? I still stand by the inconsistencies between my role and Fox's claim.

But until Titan seriously explains to me what the fuck is going on, I still think Fox is scum. Because I can't think of any logical explanation how my role's result and Fox's N3 action can coexist.

[Red Gyarados]

I get that the inconsistency hasn't been explained. I still think a better way to go would be Magenta.

[Red Gyarados]

We know Titan/Stalin/JSU aren't scum. I'm not scum and you seem to agree. That leaves five players out of which are three scum. One of {AP,Fox} at the most but not both based on my role saying that there are multiple cops. Two of {RG, Penguin, Magenta}. So, it actually makes more sense to lynch Magenta.
We know AP/Fox aren't scum together

I don't know what you keep smoking because I want some.

There is almost certainly at least one scum in {RG, Fox}. Hint:

It's not me.

[Red Gyarados]

What do you think of the rest of my logic?

It's shit. You need to reevaluate the options you keep making in your life.

[Red Gyarados]

I'm taking a break from this ridiculous game right now.

Fox is still scum. We can continue this tomorrow.

[Red Gyarados]

Brian, Beli, let's do this first and get back to the others later.

No.

If you're town and truly believed I could be town, you'd get your head out of your ass and realize I just CC'ed Fox. You've pretty much lost most of the towncred I've give you this game with the way you're trying to just sweep my CC under the rug.

I told you, we're not sorting my shit out in any possible lylo situation.

[Red Gyarados]

Also, I straight up CC'ed Fox's night action. Why is it one of AP/RG/Fox instead of one of RG/Fox?

What the fuck are you talking about Falcon? I brought up my CC way before you called me out.

And it doesn't change the fact I'm CC'ing Fox.

[Red Gyarados]

I told you, we're not sorting my shit out in any possible lylo situation.

Why are you suddenly so sure that Magenta is a mislynch?

When did I say Magenta is a mislynch? I'm saying we can't flip Magenta without resolving my CC first. End of story. Get your head out of your ass if town, plox.

[Red Gyarados]

Yeah? And you've gone out of your way to twist it in a way so that you can ignore my CC and try to lynch outside of it.

[Red Gyarados]

When did I say Magenta is a mislynch? I'm saying we can't flip Magenta without resolving my CC first. End of story. Get your head out of your ass if town, plox.

Ya ok, but that isn't what you said before.

And you are still trying to argue that someone is lying about a role that they are now confirmed to have. And the argument that they are claimign a scum buddies role for them is shit. I dont know what is going on here.

Where the hell is foxhound. Can the people who actually give a shit about this situation have a power hour and figure out what exactly is going down? Its like Fox is mostly apathetic to this all going down, RG is convinced their role works a certain way that seems unlikely, and I have no idea what CF thinks of RG's whole spheal right now, but Im not going to deal with what happens if we lynch Fox and they are town unless we are beyond any doubt that Rg is just making this shit up in that case.

Look, not every person in this game can be scum. So I'm just going to give everyone the benefit of the doubt here.

But I've already reconfirmed with Cabd that as long as my target takes a night action and MY action is successful, it doesn't matter what happens to their role. It doesn't matter if they're roleblocked or what. As long as they attempt a night action, which they've claimed to have done, I get to copy their action. They didn't take an action N3. They're lying.

Both our claims can't coexist. So unless you can think of some reason why I'm wrong about this (I don't think you will), we're lynching Fox/RG. If you lynch me, I'm going to flip town and you WILL lynch Fox.

Yes, they know I'm an Artist. So fucking what? It doesn't make them town. And they don't have any other information that would confirm their role anyways. Why they're claiming an action on every night is beyond me, but they're lying scum.

[Red Gyarados]

WAIT A MINUTE.

WAS THAT THE SAME NIGHT AS KATSUKI'S ACTION?

OK totally random theory, but what if Katsuki's action got bussed/redirected onto one of these 2 somehow? Would that possibly explain this weirdness?

No, it wasn't the same night. And I think that if I had gotten delayed, I wouldn't have been given my shot back. At the very least, if I did get delayed, I should have been able to use YOUR role because that was the night I targeted you.

[Red Gyarados]

I swear to fucking god, if Ceph is scum and we end up losing the game here, I'm yelling at every townie remaining in this game.

And no.

I'm not voting for Magenta you fucking derps.

[Red Gyarados]

@ Brian, so here's my deal: I will consider your case on Fox tomorrow, really really consider it if you help me lynch Magenta today. There are many more votes on Magenta right now and you agree with my case and it is really quite obvious that they are scum here. I know that you think Fox is scum but think about it from the POV of someone who doesn't know whether you or Fox are lying and realize that from the POV of the rest of the town, Magenta is the better lynch. I wanted to lynch Fox D4 but we worked together and went for Nacho instead. Let's do it again and go for Magenta.

Same guy that promised me AP yesterday if I helped you lynch Nacho.

[Red Gyarados]

Don't care. Don't see how they can be town.

#YOLO

Vote: Fox

I'm not talking to anyone that was on that wagon the previous day.

So fucking dumb.

Also, PA could be scum I guess. I thought her vote onto the wagon was pretty bad. Everyone else at least displayed some ounce of uncertainty or stupidity. Except for Fox. Fox is just scum.

[Red Gyarados]

Oh hey! Didn't realize the same people pushed all the end of day wagons. Except, JSU was pretty pissed off about having to push that Nacho wagon.

Tammy, stop derailing my wagon.

[Red Gyarados]

GG scumteam. I don't actually have anything to say to this town. I didn't play my best game, despite correctly pinning scum at the end, calling for AP's lynch that was supposed to have happened after Katsuki's death (and correctly identified the possibility of him being a godfather), and correctly reading Nacho/Fox (as well as some of the other mislynched players). The only one that I didn't bother voting was PA, but I think she was pretty obvious as is.

You guys seriously can't let these CC's go unresolved. AP should have been instantly lynched after Katsuki's death. And with one mislynch on the table, you should have lynched out of Fox/me regardless of what you were reading our slots as. Take the free scumlynch.

[Red Gyarados]

All things considered, it was kind of enjoyable if you take away all the vitriol.

[Red Gyarados]

Also, my last proposed scumteam was Fox, PA, and one of <AP,JSU>. I just didn't know which one it was. I probably would have lynched AP if it came down to it.

[Red Gyarados]

Well, seeing as how you didn't even figure out that Fox was scum...

[Red Gyarados]

When all they were doing this game was bitching and moaning and asking people why they weren't being read as town.

[Red Gyarados]

Then you still should have lynched us instead of Magenta. Regardless of your reads on us, you needed to lynch out of the CC before Lylo.

[Red Gyarados]

AP vs Katsuki wasn't a thing because Desp/I had the result on AP that indicated katsuki was wrong. If anything, it should have been us vs. katsuki, which would have been wrong b/c of the role block.

I told you that AP should have been lynched. And if he flipped anything other than a godfather with a night action, then you should have been lynched too.

Like, I laid this out for you people.

[Red Gyarados]

HEY MUFFIN.

AP USED THAT EXACT ENTRANCE, NEARLY VERBATIM, IN A GAME WHERE HE WAS TOWN. AND WHERE MASTIN WAS SCUM AND PUSHED HIM FOR IT.

SO TELL ME MORE ABOUT HOW IT'S "NOT A TOWN ENTRANCE"

Still not a town entrance.